Repairing The PCB & Monitor In An Upside-Down Nintendo Donkey Kong Arcade Machine Someone Brought Us
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I found a 1981 Donkey Kong cab at Goodwill for $125, same thing .. .played, but folded. Cap kit and rebuilt joystick made it good as new. But ... I cleaned all the dirt. LOVE your channel. I just repaired my '71 Gottlieb Playball pin from watching your vids.
I love how these classic consoles were pretty repairable and straightforward. It seems almost everything has a pre-planned expiration date nowadays. Thank you for the video and for keeping these gems alive.
There is definitely a change in design quality sometime around 2000 IMO. Back when this was built, they weren't necessarily trying to make it last 40 years they just made it out of quality parts and it ended up lasting 40 years. After 2k the companies started designing things that they knew would die in a little bit of time, seemingly on purpose like you mentioned.
It must be the Australian version
Looks like it to me
beat me to it.
I’m a little disappointed about the dirty board! Love the vids!
Didnt know you did Australian to US conversions.
Erasing the original chip and then reburning it reminds me of an antique car joke my Dad told me about "original air" inside of a tire.
I have a DK cabinet with the D2K add-on and DKJR on a switcher. It's my prized possession and all the references in the Mario movie just make me love it even more.
Ah, one of the very rare Australian Donkey Kong cabs I see... ;-)
Great repair as always there! Guess Donkey Kong was either jumping up and down too much or throwing the barrels too hard to flip the cabinet upside down. 😆
That’s going to be a hard play.that way up.
But joe was making a great job of it. Big 👍.
Jeez, Joe. I've never seen the second screen. I could never even get past the first ladder. But in my own defense I rarely had more than a dollar to play arcade games with. Parents thought it was a waste of time and money and didn't have the patience to wait.
Love the trying to erase and re-burn the chip. Originality maintained!
Very nice video. I agree something was mashing the power cord between that board on the cabinet and something.
I worked alot with EProms, and there's no logical reason why writing the program to a chip twice would be any better or different. At the same time, there's a fair bit of superstition and those things are temperamental, so if you have a specific way of doing things when programming chips that always works for you, keep with it!
I would've blown the dust out and probably broken something! But your 39 minute video should've been ONE minute longer.
"Give us a thumbs up for taking the trouble to film it. (Thank you)
And don't foget my brother Donnie...."
the contents of that EPROM appear to have slowly erased over time; all the bad bytes had bits that were supposed to be 0's but had become 1's over time. (i.e. 00 was 80, etc). it might not be a bad idea to reburn all of them since the last time they were programmed was 30+ years ago most likely. you can generally just reburn the same data on top of the existing data if it's bit rot (all errors are 0's that turned to 1's) or if the data matches and there were no errors.
I don't think I've ever seen an actual sized arcade machine upside down, let alone Donkey Kong. This is truly wacky!
The top's pretty flat so I guess they couldn't tell what side was up!
I'm going to make the joke before someone else does it. "That's an aussie arcade machine!"
Would have been interesting to see how a corrupted ROM dump would react in a emulator, ah the Billy Mitchell ROM mod.lool
Assuming you gat a corrupted rom to work it can be VERY unstable, while I’ve not emulated donkey Kong I’ve got a corrupted rom of a gba mega man battle network game running and it was very chaotic
I'm guessing it depends where the corruption has landed, if it's on assets like audio and tiles/textures it might make for a static mess, if it on executable code it could either stop or halt execution or change things, if corruption landed on parameter asset it could change layouts and lives, all those things would be repeatable on a corrupted ROM dump but on the physical corrupted ROM the corruption could change randomly or even environmentally causing the glitches to morph, it's almost like analogue circuit bending with the real thing.
@@imranahmad2733 that’s exactly how the cartridge is! Not consistent in the slightest, my corrupted rom dump has messed up graphics but the code still runs as intended
Super quick diagnosis and repair! Easy money!
lol, finally hearing someone else say "leave the dirt" on old circuitry is awesome. I've tested that theory out sooooo many times. Clean the board vs leave the dirt. Leave the dirt wins 90% of the time.
See...that's what happens when you leave DK upside down...the bits leak out of the "a" chip and Joe has to re-burn it.
It's crazy to me that all these old games use through-hole components. You could probably print that whole board onto 1/4 of a postage stamp these days. Very cool to be able to test individual components.
It's too bad that there was no Easter edition of Donkey Kong. There's not even a lazy summer vacation edition of Donkey Kong. Since I've seen Pauline in her swimwear before.
I don't own a Donkey Kong, but would LOVE to add it to my arcade some day. This game has GREAT sounds... have you ever heard of somebody upgrading the speakers in the cab? Perhaps with an amplified high performance subwoofer, mid, and tweeter setup?
The sounds are actually one of the game elements that get messed up in the console and PC ports of Donkey Kong.
The only way you truly experience DK is with an original machine or decent emulation through MAME.
I owned one of the better ports (Atari computers) in the early 1980s. It was one of the few ports that had all the levels decently replicated. Even the original NES port of Donkey Kong eliminated the conveyor belt (cement) level!
DK is supposed to be mono. Later games were stereo. DK had a unique, deep, bassey tone, especially in the intro music and between level music, that was not replicated well.
@Joe's Classic Video Games - I held the 'Donkey Kong' high score (MAC) in my local drinking hole for two years solid, until someone trashed the machine in a burglary. The brewery replaced the best game ever made with Pacman.
"did he say what's wrong with it?"
"something about the picture being inverted"
It's broke
LOL "Leave all the dirt exactly where it is"
#7:30 Have you ever considered using the Retro Chip Tester Pro for these tests? It shows directly which ROM it is (and therefore whether it is ok, it uses the MAME database). And it can test countless memory and logic ICs.
LOL ! the " They Got Me" sounds the same !.....cheers.
Ok Ok thats an Aussie DK they arrive here like that all the time,you should see the mess the pinballs do ! .....LOL
Ones of my favorites all time classics. Great game.
haha the whole time, Im like why is Choplifter in a Stargate Cab and then Ron says the same thing. lol
The magic dirt helps it work along with the magic smoke.
My guess why it would be upside down isn't the top of that heavier than the bottom.
Probably easier putting it on a dolly that way
"You want to leave all the dirt where it is, it helps it work". I can attest to that! Had an old b&w tv back in the '80s and '90s, one day, I decided to open it up and clean all the dust out (And boy was there a LOT of dust in it), put it back together, and, nothing.
My take on it is that the TV had made new electrical connections with the dust to help it work better, and I basically gave it brain surgery!
started watchin AVGN 3 hours ago fell asleep and now im here. OK.
Welcome Ed, you've got to stop the violence man come on Ed we don't need no violence come on now Ed
Joe: I'm not very good at Donkey Kong
Also Joe: (plays an OK game by average arcade visitor standards)
Joe: That was pathetic..........
He's got a split personality sometimes...
Gotta watch more Billy Mitchell videos. That was a good one Joe. You guys are awesome!
Makes me miss my old dk cab even more 😂 to bad you cant find them here anymore, id love to have one again
@@googpix540 crap, i should have said I'm from Spain. In Europe you barely see them, as in , never . Sold mine years ago, and that came from The US
@@googpix540 lol 😂
Brilliant stuff 👍 Just wondering- why mustn’t you clean the dirt off and how does it help it?
Is that the rare upside-down Donkey Kong cabinet from Europe? Giggle
the story about burning an eprom multiple times was right for me. I burned a free play rom for a harlem globetrotter and it verified perfectly for me and ran on my test setup. In the game it would not boot. the game had .2 volts higher voltage then my bench test. test clips from regulator to game board would boot but harness would fail it. solution finally was to just reinforce the burning with at least burning in the data a second time and all was well
very good !
LoL it's not even 4 minutes in the video and two problems are identified. 😂
Obviously the lack of labels wot broke it. Good job unbroking it.
Great video. I am having the same problem with my Donkey Kong screen. Do you have a recommendation or sell the cap kit?
"just rolled in"
Maybe it's in cocktail mode. He thinks it's broken check the picture it may be upside down 😅😅😅
Hey Ron and Joe!!
Sounds like theirs a faint looping jumping sound in the background…
Be cool to see a video of your test bench setup. Curious how you are able to interchange between say a donkey board and an asteroids board. Do you have a bunch of different harnesses and power supplies? And a raster & vector monitor?
I'd like to know that too, especially since I'll be setting up a new test and repair bench in a couple of months, maybe I can be inspired by his test bench.
Back in the day the eeprom was expensive as was the ROM. But it would have been a great idea if they would have had a backup set of code chips and a diagnostic program that would have been able to check the eeproms vs. the factory values and told you if it was bad and which ones were bad, and maybe even have a factory erase, re-burn eeprom from the factory backup ROMs.
It would have made repair easier for messed up eeproms.
Nowadays factory reset to default values is in most electronics that have user settable values.
how much is that Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon ps1? is it on the ebay store?
I have a modern TL866 II Plus (USB) EPROM programmer and it cannot program 2732, 2764 etc. EPROMS. They have to be 27C32, 27C64 etc. CMOS lower voltage type.
I’ve been looking for a better (and probably older) programmer that can handle the non CMOS EPROMS but all of these older ones like the one in this video are crazy expensive $100+. 🤨
nice work
Would you care to explain why you left all the dust on it, I would clean it up since its completely out of the screen assembly.
Because you weren't here to tell us how to do it better Bjorn!
@@LyonsArcade You probably are getting me wrong, I didn't mean to tell you how to do it, I was genuinly wondering about the explanation behind the "leave the dust on, it makes it work better" comment. You clearly got experience on these machines so you probably have seen reason on why not to remove it and leave it on where it has settled itself.
@@dope002 it was just a joke, you can clean the dust off if you want
over the years tho often the really clean monitors are broke and the ones that are working the best are the ones covered in dirt :)
Australian Kong
Upside down and It's broke 😂
Sucks that you have to take the CRT out to get to the control board. Wonder why they didn't mount it on the inside of the cabinet...
At the time none of the manufacturers had remote mounted controls, they were all basically modifications from t.v.s that didn't have remote mounted controls
Mightve been the little dark haired boy who played the tennessee flat top box? 😁
And he would play 😉
it came off the SS Poseidon.
Also i think standing the cabinet upside down wont put the magic smoke back in.
Yodelayheehoo
Great score compared to what I can do, and you didn't even cheat to get there. Apart from the 6 lives thing.
When I was at starcade donkey Kong clearly had far too many lives as well so I think it's a simple internal modification.
Guessing it fell off the turnip truck. 😳
Maybe he plays his game on an inversion table
How much do these typically weigh ??
200-250 pounds
How high can you get ?
But... WHY was it upside down!? :-)
Lindo gabinete
Let me guess, every time you cleaned it, it stopped working? 🤔
Where's your brother Ronnie at the last few videos I haven't heard him
Did you skip the whole intro
Idk I must have 😂
lol
how hard is it work in those arcades ?
Why don’t clean the board?
It no workie work if you clean
lol
Ukraine version. Lol
Leave the donkey, Kong alone it is trying to identify as a they
Lol are you serious what the actual
Whenever I see the original Donkey Kong video arcade game machine: I quite often think a lot about Vs. Hogan's Alley." Even though that's not the best of Nintendo. It's understandable of knowing that the Hogan's Alley characters look the same as the Donkey Kong characters. I also realized just how much Pauline has changed her appearance so much. I also haven't seen the Targ video arcade game machine get restored just as yet. It was definitely much better than slot racers: I can tell you that. 🫏
I love it! " Leave all the dirt."
I would have messed that up.
Excellent work guys
I would have had a hard time with that as well.
when the customer states.. NO COSMETICS!! that means leave ALL the dirt in.. lol awesome repair job.. was this video with Joe narrating and doing the work instead of his brother??
Yes, thanks for watching
At least some compressed air.
@@mraycgz don't want to change the look. Guy said no cosmetics.
Only a handful of upside down Donkey Kongs were built and they're extremely valuable! X-D
I don't know what happened - I finished the board by detatching all the girders only this time not just Donkey Kong ended up on his head the whole machine did! 😂
Joe, from your voice, I always thought you were older. Watching you get up and down off that floor, you are a young man! Congrats on your flexibility!
There were 10 or 12 ROMs, I think 8k each.
They had the different levels's programs in them.
I remember comparing the eeprom to the factory many many years ago using a 9 pin serial eeprom reader
Back when I was trying to figure out how the game worked and how it was hacked
Oh... It's actually upside down. I thought that was just a joke for the thumbnail, and it was just the image on the *monitor* that was upside down... Wow. 😆
I needed a good laugh! This made my day guys. Thanks for repairing my jr monitor. It works great joe !
I'd sometimes leave the screwdriver under the 2nd anode until I was ready to put things back together.
I use to play Donkey Kong all the time on the Coleco Vision. The arcade version looks a lot harder.
Well.... I've only ever seen the first level 😂🤣
I didn't notice at first that the DK was upside down because I was too busy looking at the Choplifter in the Stargate cab. . . then he said something about it and I snapped out of it. lol
I know what you're thinking before you're thinking it I SEE ALL JOHN LILLER
I do enjoy watching the Magic happen, working with his hands to bring back classic games from the grave, nothing can replace the actual sticking a coin in to play a game.. Its something that reproductions and emulators can't simulate nostalgia..
I enjoy washing the entire monitor in the driveway to see the neighbor's reaction.
Arcade In Ohio
Donkey Kong: Stranger Things Edition 😂
Hearing Donkey kong fire up is going to make me listen to my Bunkner and Garcia album... The family will be so happy with me.
I like watching your videos i like working on old radios and electronics like that I've learned alot about reading and understanding schematics a bit better from your channel
Thank you for watching Michael! See you on the next one!
Didn’t the customer tell you they are into one of those new age therapies where they play while suspended upside down from a bar. Sure, anybody can play normally - but can you play while hanging upside down and the stress of all the blood rushing to your head? Tricky part is getting those special quarters that fall up when you put them in the coin slot.
The owner must be a Californian ! California is the New Age Crazy Cult State.
✋👏🙂
Danky Kang? LUL
What is Dankey Kang
@@LyonsArcade Must be Donkey Kong when it's not working right.
If somebody were to make a mistake and clean off the vintage dirt, do y'all sell replacements?
Ever since i was a kid in the 1970s, ive heard and seen people joking about Australia being upside down..didnt understood it then and in August 2024 at 53 years of age i still dont...🙁
Is it called a flyback because that's what happens to you if you mess with it before grounding it?
I understand why it is upside down. The monitor is the heaviest part and the cabinet is top heavy. I bought a cabinet yesterday and that sucker was heavy. It was in the guys basement with narrow steps and a hairpin turn at the top to get out the door. I tried pulling with an appliance dolly with "stair climbers" and couldn't get it up first step. That moment was the point I was contemplating life choices. He called his neighbor to help. He wasn't cancelling the sale!! The neighbor pulling and two of us lifting and pushing got it out. Gouged the trim panel on the door due to poor steering.... From ground level, the seller made me roll it out of the house. My arms are still aching from holding the monitor weight steady. Picking up from bottom back seemed logical. After I got home, picking up from front top seems to distribute weight better. It sits in my garage currently and plays well. Generic 60-1 card and controllers. Cabinet, monitor and Chou power supply with stopped fan appear original. If I move it to my basement, I think I am taking the monitor out.
What version of the Pocket Programmer is that? I need one
I wonder if the sun got at that EPROM a bit too much and flipped a few bits? The back of the cabinet probably protected it for many years until it went missing.
Still, surprised the erase windows weren't covered.
IT'S BROKE
Pilots always told me the same thing with aircraft. They hand you the logbook and say “it’s broke”. Lol.
This is the only picture on the internet of the bottom of a nintendo cabinet. Which is exactly what i needed!
And how the heck do you level these machines at all?! What a dumb design.