1:17:50 Something I noticed from the trailer was that Aerith has a yellow flower pin on her jacket and Cloud is also missing his buster sword, suggesting that this is Zack's Cloud and Aerith.
Slightly confused about Gilgamesh. Is every Gilga the same as FF5's Gilgamesh? Is it the same dude and if so, when did he suddenly get dimension travelling powers? I just remember he was a comic relief character for most of that game.
5th video I've watched on Rebirth today!! Every day for the past year I've watched some kinda content on it. Positive or negative. I literally can't get enough and I'm about to go on a little crazy before launch 😂. So thank you for all the work you do. You and Sleepezi both. Did you see Orion85's video? You made a cameo. I really love this community no matter what side people go on.
still think that the big plot-twist is going to be that Zacks PoV will be revaled as the "true events" of FF7. What I mean is this: In FF7R we saw the whispers fixing certain changes to the events, like, for example, saving Barrett from his too early demise. BUT: We also saw that they weren't just repairing history - They were changing it, too. We could clearly see that they made sure Jesse doesn't survive the attack from Shinra, and in the end it was also revealed that Zack, without the plotghosts intervention, would've survived his encounter with the Shinra-forces, too. So, with that in mind, and the fact the whispers are gone after FF7R happened, it leads me to believe that the world is reverting back to how things were supposed to play out. Zack originally was supposed to go on a journey which lead him to hopefully defeat Sephiroth - Not Cloud and company. So the line about "Living in a dream" from the new trailer might actually spell it even out. It isn't Zack who is in a "false reality", it's Cloud and his friends, who just got put into that position by the "Will of the planet" with the help of the whispers. This also would mean that the planet changed events around for a reason, implying that Zack and his potential companions FAILED in some way when they took on Jenova/Sephiroth, hence why they got put out of the picture in the first place and replaced by Cloud and his friends.
No the true events are the original game. Zack is dead. If that’s the twist it would be stupid, and get shit on by everyone. Because then you really are tarnishing the original game and it’s legacy and characters.
Always a good time when the Knights of the Round get together to drop some spicy lore! Babyseal, Sleepezi, Bltzz, Phil Hartshorn, NSP, GenVII, DashingDavid, MaxDood, Sector6, FinalFanTV, SubTxt, Prof Noctus, Ray Coffman, Michael Bustamante So grateful for the community man, where would we be without these guys
I was kinda feeling like dang, I feel like I know everything after that trailer. But this video showed me there’s still a ton of mystery left to discover!
To be totally honest, I'm suprised you guys haven't thought about the moment we see Aerith seemingly hand Cloud the white materia as the re-imagined moment after temple of the ancients when Cloud is unconscious in Gongaga, and talks with spiritually to Aerith in the forest outside the Forgotten Capital in the OG; which I have a HUGE feeling that this moment in particular is in my opinion. Anyone else's thoughts?
as we enter the final stretch, and this game is slowly becoming a real physical entity that exists, it is my most sincere hope that everyone who is as excited as i am finds something they really love in this game and that we all have a good time. come what may, itll definitely be pretty unforgettable, and riding out the hype cycle with everyone has been such a blast. especially you guys who put out such awesome hard work for the rest of us. for as fussy as ffvii fans are by very nature, it feels like a pretty damn good time to be an ffvii fan.
What’s your thoughts on Max theorizing that Sep was talking to Genesis while we turning the valve outside the Marco reactor and that’s why they pace it to take a while
I wonder what is going on with the bird motif. Obviously we have stuff like angel wings being in the compilation since OG but there have been many cases where birds are highlighted or feature as a fetish/decorative piece of the game. The start of Remake, at the start and end of the Intermission DLC, the background of Upper Junon, the patches on Yuffie's butt, in the Shinra Manor (staircase ornamentation), then there are birds which guide players to life-stream fonts, Minerva etc.
i think for what it's worth the only time Cid was ever really a dick was when he was talking to his poor assistant he blamed everything on. Otherwise he was just kind of a slightly gruff dude. I don't really like the hillbilly accent for him, but I guess that's what square thought was right for him
Interestingly,the whole "ransom note" thing in the original compilation was from a book and revolved around the "original" kadaj, or rather, the real person who's physical appearance kadaj stole when he manifested
That would be amazing. And maybe that degradation might get really crazy and a super sad scene with Roche in the return to Midgar before our fight with Hojo.
It’s implied that he hasn’t been promoted because he doesn’t follow orders. For example, decimating Shinra infantry in order to help/fight Cloud in part 1.
Now I'm wondering if the Sephiroth that confronts Zack is actually a whisper that Sephiroth is manipulating with Jenova's illusion abilities. Perhaps he can be active in both worlds without needing to have a physical presence in both worlds? That or he's just hopping around chrono trigger style which would just seem too comical. This REEKS of lifestream shenanigans too. I suppose it is possible that Sephiroth has achieved a level of "Darkseid" higher being status and he can utilize multiple avatars at the same time, which is terrifying. This game's gonna be insane. Thanks for the upload!!!
We already have to clones for that role, why would it be a whisper? Nearly every time we see Sephiroth it's actually one of the robed figure clones (same as the original game) Everything else you said sounds likely, just with that one correction.
Roche dies of stigma in The Kids Are Alright. Motor cycle jacket, long hair, red cycle, brought a picture of himself with some others from nibelheim. He wont have time to degrade.
Awesome breakdown as always! Regarding the hooded guy, I really doubt it's Glenn. I used to be in the Glenn camp before this final trailer dropped, but with Rufus' reaction it really doesn't seem like it's him. I'm kinda leaning towards it being Verdot or something.
That's almost certain to happen with the way the story is progressing. They are leaning into the fact that cloud is one of the robed figures that just got lucky that he ran into someone he knew to ground him.
underwater, airship, up to several missing regions, cid and vincent, triple attacks, eikon-level fights but with the party, potential of multiple parties with separate stories, a twisted world to reflect Meteor approach more starkly, all remaining summons and then some, deeper dungeon areas (Rebirth seems to focus more on overworld), maybe features like 'crisis points' to respond to emergencies, etc.
(I have explained parts of this theory slightly better in the comment bellow) I have a theory that the reason why the timelines or a version of the Lifestream comprised of memories are now fucked is because the first time Zack died, Aerith wasn't aware of Zack's death, because of the Jenova cells not allowing him to return to the Lifestream. However, at the end of Crisis Core she uses Great Gospel which helps Zack's soul return to the Lifestream because we know it can heal Geostigma and cleanse people of Jenova cells. So, he's either stuck in the Lifestream where Aerith was meant to eventually be reunited with him which we see at the end of Advent Children, we know the Lifestream is comprised of all the knowledge and memories of people that have died there, and or alive within it. As Zack returning to the Lifestream has now happened before the end of Advent Children aka faster. Which if we remember at the end of FF7 the original we see Aerith in the exact same position opening her eyes in front of the mako pipe from the beginning potentially with renewed knowledge of what will play out. So, she breaks it to save Midgar. She's probably scared of the sky because she doesn't want to see that all the plates get ripped off, and Midgar end up destroyed as Holy did the opposite of it's intended stopping of meteor; allowing Midgar to be destroyed because it was the biggest threat to the planet at that point and or she knows using Great Gospel on Zack caused a whole mess. At the end of the game Aerith rallies the Lifestream. I think she intentionally is pushing Tifa and Cloud to recall their love for one another so Tifa can heal his mind faster which I think we'll see her flirt with Cloud more to make Tifa act faster. We've seen him throw her in the Lifestream or her fall in or whatever, he then screams and probably jumps in to save her. Starting that process earlier. The Aerith that appears to Cloud in chapter 14 and tells him what he feels for her isn't real she knows he's emulating Zack. So, she's pushing harder for Tifa to admit her feelings before the Mideel incident... Maybe just an idea. If Aerith can get the party to power down Midgar in the return to Midgar section which is presumably going to happen as it did in the original in Part 3 with this renewed knowledge and the party knowing they will shut down need to shut off all of Midgar's reactors so Holy works the way she originally intended. The other timeline could be the Lifestream or an alternate timeline which is based on memory. Cloud is able to exist in both places at once, since he is stuck in both the Lifestream and a part of Zack's memories intermingled and therefore able transfer the memories to create the world or imagining of the Lifestream that Zack falls into, when they split destiny at the end of remake the weak part of Cloud's mind could believe he failed against Sephiroth at the end of remake and the part of Cloud that is confident in the concousness he created splits the narrative further to split as he would believe he failed in his weakened life stream counterpart and shaping what Zack is seeing Midgar's current state which isn't what Midgar should be like at that point if Zack returns there, plate fall party dead etc. It's very confusing and I'm not explaining it well at all. Cloud's weaker counterpart may remember the Beagle as a terrier as Barret mentions that Shinra took stamp and turned it into a militarised simble for Shinra... Perhaps, this is hard to. Explain what I mean and I'm doing an appalling job of it. What I think has happened is Aerith broke the timeline by great gospelling Zack early. Cloud's consciousness is technically able to exist in both places. The fact Marlene and characters from remake and the original are present is because Cloud has those memories, their consciousnesses are intermingled with a failed version of the destiny breaking. We know Aerith did something to Marlene and Red hinting she knew way more than she was letting on hence knowing about Marlene and Sector 7 before she should have and Cloud being a Merc. Yet knew she'd have to risk that and did so sacrificing her memories of the past and splitting the timinelines for good. I have so many theories. I originally thought that is Sephirpth has knowledge of everything and the past. As such he needs to off Tifa not Aerith as he would know her presence in the Lifestream is what fucks his plan up... Kind of. Whereas, Tifa is the only one that will be able to restore Cloud to Cloud Stife not Cloud Fair. Hence him trying to manipulate Cloud against trusting her entirely and believing she's a Jenova mimic. I think the game should end at the North Crater not the forgotten city. In the timeline that Cloud is unconscious in if Aerith gives Cloud the White materia to Cloud in the Zack timeline he could bring it to Sephirpth instead of the Black posing as a puppet but having learned the knowledge earlier would be able to trust in Aerith and just take that to the North Crater and let it do it's thing. So, we would get Cloud handing off the White Materia opposed to giving the Black to the Rebirthed Sephiroth since he recrates his body in the Northern Crater. Perhaps that is too far fetched. I don't know how far they will push it. It's so hard to predict where this will go. I think Aerith will die in the timeline that we are in, but she will survive the forgotten Capital only to be killed off at the North Crater in part 3 which is where she was originally supposed to die, returning to Zack and explaining it is just the Lifestream they are in. I think when we saw Zack burst into the Church at the end of Intermission we were seeing a timeline of the end of Advent children of what would happen had Aerith lived as they originally reunited there and walked out the back of the church into the white side of the Lifestream as the split made everything fucked which is why Aerith has to break destiny because the preordained path with Cloud in the Lifestream with Zack could LEAD to. Zack trying to fix Cloud which would make him a Sephirpth Clone as only Tifa can do this. I am not explaining this well at all. I give up! 😂
It's normal not to be able to tell it clearly 😅 but I hope they do! Love the idea of shipping aerith somehow. Maybe having the flashback earlier. But I couldn't understand your cloud/link theory
@@skidmc Usually I'm very good at explaining my theories, but I went off the rails... Which part didn't you understand? Haha, I think Aerith has always pushed for Cloud and Tifa because she knew something wasn't right to some extent. I think it was always to make Tifa act faster. What I mean by Cloud... Is if you haven't played the original you wouldn't get this, but I assume you have. If yes, you will know most of the original of Cloud Strife's mind is stuck in the Lifestream and basically his consciousness is split in two that's probably an overstatement and as such it is plausible for him exist in both of these the real world and lifestream at the same time. If Zack is in the Lifestream the reason why it is manifesting the way it is, could be because of Cloud's memories shaping the Lifestream around Zack's to some degree. Or just by the sheer fact he is in the Lifestream being present to a degree as it has been shown to form off the memories of the dead within it, and people who have survived falling in and lived their consciousness shaping how it manifests a la Cloud and Tifa in his restoration of his mind. When they split destiny at the end of Remake, Cloud's confident part of his consciousness would know they won out in the Sephirpth fight thus we continue down that path. Whereas the version of Cloud that's stuck, completely weak, unsure of himself and is essentially lost, would have all the memories of what occurred, but likely feeling he failed. Creating the Midgar that Zack is seeing. Hence the characters Zack has never met appearing (Zack has never met Elmyra or Marlene) when Zack arrives in Midgar the Sector 1 bombing mission wouldn't even have occurred by that point. Especially not to the point of Secotr 7 Plate fall and bike chase, as he arrived the same time Cloud would... Probably faster. So, it basically stands to reason that the reason Midgar is the way it is in Zack's 'universe' is either because of Cloud's condition with the Jenova Cells and Mako Poisoning forming the memories of what would have happened had that the group failed and died in the escape and since he's just an unconious husk its probabable the Lifestream still works in the present just not in Zack's perspective as Zack has no memories to of Midgar's present state. If it were two separate timeslines why would one jump forward? Cloud would be able to exist in both places at once if one is the Lifestream... I don't think there are two timeslines but that's just me as it makes the Buster Sword a paradox. As I said if that were the case the bombings, Avalanche attacking HQ, Plate fall and Bike chase wouldn't have occurred by the time Zack arrived in Midgar, he would have arrived waaay before Avalanche even carried out their first mission which may or may not nave been successful without Cloud. Events would have played out ENTIRELY differently. So, the reason Midgar is looking like this is due to Cloud probably think he failed and all the party died due to him, as for Biggs's existence people speak of him at the leaf house in remake and he was known in that area as such it is quite someone he knew or likely cared for maybe one of the children who died in the train graveyard memories would enable him to continue to exist as the Lifestream just forms on memories or he is just present and aware of his own presence in the Lifestream but it is odd that his version wouldn't be shaped by Cloud's perspective although both because more people knew Biggs in that area those memories take priority. The two timeslines makes no sense given the giant time leap forwards. If that wasn't the case I'd believe that there were. The random mentioning of Biggs being named in Sector 5 always stuck out as weird. Now I believe this is the reason why.
Aerith with her hair down, talking to Cloud is definitely a vision or dream. *She wore that materia in her hair with her hairband, which is removed upon a certain event happening* So it seems like she spoke with Cloud in a dream after that event took place.
The fact cissinei makes me so happy in this trailer. I have said in many different groups saying watch u run into cissenei looking for zack in gongaga. Im so happy i said it. 💯
I'm getting "book-end" vibes. The game opens with you playing as Cloud and Seph. I think the game will end with the party fighting AGAINST Cloud and Seph.
You know what would be insane? That once Sephiroth has complete control over Cloud, the AI-controlled Cloud has the exact same skill set and habits the player controlling Cloud had throughout the game? Just imagine your strategy against Cloud and Sephiroth will be unique to how you played Cloud throughout the game: meaning Sephiroth could use Cloud's weapon materia, his ATB abilities, Limit Breaks, etc.
26:17 - If you frame by frame this point in the trailer, you can see Sephiroth doing what looks like the actual 'death drop' and Cloud clashes it Add this to Aerith handing Cloud the White Materia. Seems to have already been confirmed it's not going to play out the same... ?!
lol. Fenrir has been used for the fusion sword too, believe it or not, particularly in mobile games. But I agree it should be called Fusion sword… it’s been a long week!
1:16:07 More breakdowns lets gooo🎉. Btw regarding that scene with Cloud looking to skewer Tifa at what looks like Gongaga. Its interesting to draw parallels to Zacks last stand since this version of cloud has lost Zack in a showdown against a large number of shinra infantrymen. When juxtaposed to a weakened cloud from zacks last stand, you see a empowered Cloud (maybe through Sephiroths influence as shown by his mannerisms in this scene) being able to murder all those infantrymen (with the blood on his face), with Tifa being next. Just a shower thought. 😮
So normal sephiroth is after the black materia, what if future sephiroth is after the white materia? So like in this timeline of events cloud hands both black and white materia to sephiroth in the northern crater?
I didn't realise they were at the Forgotten Capital with the One-Winged Sephiroth until you paused it, I thought it was another Crossroads area like Remake xD
@@off-meta-michael because it wasn't obvious in the original (at least not in English) and a lot of people thought that Marlene was actually Barret's child.
Hmm basically the player will make choices through out the game that will effect the narrative of events, in one scenario he plays the game and the events of the game will play out as they did in the original game, however if other choices are made you crossover into a different timeline where the new version of events takes place. It will be up to the player what he chooses to do. The events of the new timeline are already starting to merge into the main timeline because of the defeat of the whispers, now it will will be choices made by the player to make potential changes in the plot become actual changes or not. Depending on how you play the game will determine what set of events takes place. This means different players will have different experiences of the story progresses. however this doesn’t mean that the out come at the end will be different but maybe they will.
21:30 Here's the thing, the voice and acting of the voice is great. Its the physical acting. They went full Yakuza and extremely Japanese in the acting and motions in ways that...just..dont fit.
Have to disagree, Dyne sounds great. The emotion, rage, anguish, self loathing the VA has portrayed based on the trailers so far is incredible. I’m highly looking forward to this section of FFVII: REbirth.
If Zack "steals" her, why would they show her like this? This makes it look like he finds her at this location/like this. Seems possible Shinra discovers Zack has survived and uses Aerith to track and capture him. And if there's a connection between Zack and Sephiroth's timing outside the church with Aerith and Cloud's inside, does Sephiroth WANT Aerith to give Cloud the white materia (figuring Zack would disrupt that handoff)?
I think that the sleeping characters in the Zack world are the ones whose fate have been altered with in the other world and changes in one shift their sleep state in the other.
I enjoy your content but what's the point of collabing and featuring other creators when all you do is cut them off and ignore them? happens all through the video but one example is 26:50 where you're just waiting for him to stop talking. said as a fan, just some constructive criticism
I’ll take that under advisement. Sleepezi and I are very good friends irl so sometimes this happens with us. I am showing him this immediately, as almost always HE is the one who gets attacked for interrupting me lol. But you’re right, I was kind of rushing him through this one because we had some time constraints. I’ll be better next time. This is just 90 minutes of about 6 hours of conversations we had too… we had alot going on lol. I also usually wouldn’t post a stream like this but I just had an influx of requests for this stream in particular.
Robed man from wutai is veld, not Glenn. He was the leader of the Turks whose daughter was the leader of AVALANCHE, Rufus and tseng faked their deaths and wutai took them in.
You have a lot of patience SBBS. it was like talking to an hyperactive ADHD child😂 battered my head at times. Might need a "dude" counter next pod Great vid
If this game is so large why couldn't you explore every sector of Midgar with open maps like Yakuza ff remake was 100 GB why is this game that 150GB so much larger
Ok… it’s not a competition. I love Max… we are friendly with each other. We had a ton of fun last week together at the square event… I don’t understand why you’re trying to pit us against each other? We are planning a collaboration next month… are you gonna harass me on that collab? Do you think Max appreciates this behavior?
I think the guy in the Cloak could be Veld I can’t think of any other reason why Rufus would have that reaction also Cissneis Outfit reminds me a bit of Wutai Garb
1:17:50 Something I noticed from the trailer was that Aerith has a yellow flower pin on her jacket and Cloud is also missing his buster sword, suggesting that this is Zack's Cloud and Aerith.
My fav 2 you tubers watching my third favourite you tuber watch the final trailer of my fav game. Enough said.
yo the hype its over 9000 a collab with SLEEPEZI?? awesome!
Worth noting that in most appearances, Gilgamesh is a dimension traveler. Entirely possible that he got the Fusion Sword FROM Advent Children.
Slightly confused about Gilgamesh. Is every Gilga the same as FF5's Gilgamesh? Is it the same dude and if so, when did he suddenly get dimension travelling powers? I just remember he was a comic relief character for most of that game.
@@TheLordofSiIenceI don’t think they’re meant to be the literal same guy but just the general same
Idea of A guy.
5th video I've watched on Rebirth today!! Every day for the past year I've watched some kinda content on it. Positive or negative. I literally can't get enough and I'm about to go on a little crazy before launch 😂. So thank you for all the work you do. You and Sleepezi both. Did you see Orion85's video? You made a cameo. I really love this community no matter what side people go on.
still think that the big plot-twist is going to be that Zacks PoV will be revaled as the "true events" of FF7.
What I mean is this: In FF7R we saw the whispers fixing certain changes to the events, like, for example, saving Barrett from his too early demise. BUT: We also saw that they weren't just repairing history - They were changing it, too. We could clearly see that they made sure Jesse doesn't survive the attack from Shinra, and in the end it was also revealed that Zack, without the plotghosts intervention, would've survived his encounter with the Shinra-forces, too.
So, with that in mind, and the fact the whispers are gone after FF7R happened, it leads me to believe that the world is reverting back to how things were supposed to play out.
Zack originally was supposed to go on a journey which lead him to hopefully defeat Sephiroth - Not Cloud and company. So the line about "Living in a dream" from the new trailer might actually spell it even out. It isn't Zack who is in a "false reality", it's Cloud and his friends, who just got put into that position by the "Will of the planet" with the help of the whispers.
This also would mean that the planet changed events around for a reason, implying that Zack and his potential companions FAILED in some way when they took on Jenova/Sephiroth, hence why they got put out of the picture in the first place and replaced by Cloud and his friends.
No the true events are the original game. Zack is dead. If that’s the twist it would be stupid, and get shit on by everyone. Because then you really are tarnishing the original game and it’s legacy and characters.
Always a good time when the Knights of the Round get together to drop some spicy lore!
Babyseal, Sleepezi, Bltzz, Phil Hartshorn, NSP, GenVII, DashingDavid, MaxDood, Sector6, FinalFanTV, SubTxt, Prof Noctus, Ray Coffman, Michael Bustamante
So grateful for the community man, where would we be without these guys
This is the most comprehensive breakdown that I've heard on Rebirth. Great discussion. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you guys for all this coverage!!
I was kinda feeling like dang, I feel like I know everything after that trailer. But this video showed me there’s still a ton of mystery left to discover!
Awesome guest and discussion!!
To be totally honest, I'm suprised you guys haven't thought about the moment we see Aerith seemingly hand Cloud the white materia as the re-imagined moment after temple of the ancients when Cloud is unconscious in Gongaga, and talks with spiritually to Aerith in the forest outside the Forgotten Capital in the OG; which I have a HUGE feeling that this moment in particular is in my opinion. Anyone else's thoughts?
Sleepezi you have no idea how I jump to anything you have to say concerning FFVII
Yo I been dying for content on his channel to the point I'm surprised not even his demo presentation trip has been uploaded
Thank you Clark and Sleepezi for doing this ❤❤❤❤
Feels like I'm home with ff7 when babyseal and sleepezi are together lovely yet legendary team can't wait for post game seal team 7 days
as we enter the final stretch, and this game is slowly becoming a real physical entity that exists, it is my most sincere hope that everyone who is as excited as i am finds something they really love in this game and that we all have a good time. come what may, itll definitely be pretty unforgettable, and riding out the hype cycle with everyone has been such a blast. especially you guys who put out such awesome hard work for the rest of us. for as fussy as ffvii fans are by very nature, it feels like a pretty damn good time to be an ffvii fan.
1:12:46 People die and yuna dances.
FFX parallel there
What’s your thoughts on Max theorizing that Sep was talking to Genesis while we turning the valve outside the Marco reactor and that’s why they pace it to take a while
He was joking lol. But someone kind of disproved it on Twitter. If I find the link I’ll post it here
I wonder what is going on with the bird motif. Obviously we have stuff like angel wings being in the compilation since OG but there have been many cases where birds are highlighted or feature as a fetish/decorative piece of the game. The start of Remake, at the start and end of the Intermission DLC, the background of Upper Junon, the patches on Yuffie's butt, in the Shinra Manor (staircase ornamentation), then there are birds which guide players to life-stream fonts, Minerva etc.
unbridled enthusiasm and firey knowledge of Sleepezi meshing with the calm and cool intellect of Babyseal 💯 super enjoyable. Thank you both!
THANK YOU FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT
The strength of the team ☄️
Might it be, that when Sephiroth "dismisses" Zack, it's because he is expecting to see Cloud?
i think for what it's worth the only time Cid was ever really a dick was when he was talking to his poor assistant he blamed everything on. Otherwise he was just kind of a slightly gruff dude. I don't really like the hillbilly accent for him, but I guess that's what square thought was right for him
Looking forward to this colab!!
Interestingly,the whole "ransom note" thing in the original compilation was from a book and revolved around the "original" kadaj, or rather, the real person who's physical appearance kadaj stole when he manifested
The return of the kings!
I kind of wish that Roche would’ve been promoted to SOLDIER 2nd Class and maybe making it to 1st class in part 3
That would be amazing. And maybe that degradation might get really crazy and a super sad scene with Roche in the return to Midgar before our fight with Hojo.
It’s implied that he hasn’t been promoted because he doesn’t follow orders. For example, decimating Shinra infantry in order to help/fight Cloud in part 1.
Now I'm wondering if the Sephiroth that confronts Zack is actually a whisper that Sephiroth is manipulating with Jenova's illusion abilities. Perhaps he can be active in both worlds without needing to have a physical presence in both worlds? That or he's just hopping around chrono trigger style which would just seem too comical. This REEKS of lifestream shenanigans too. I suppose it is possible that Sephiroth has achieved a level of "Darkseid" higher being status and he can utilize multiple avatars at the same time, which is terrifying. This game's gonna be insane. Thanks for the upload!!!
We already have to clones for that role, why would it be a whisper?
Nearly every time we see Sephiroth it's actually one of the robed figure clones (same as the original game)
Everything else you said sounds likely, just with that one correction.
they really need to add ehergeiz characters. they fit so well
23:15 Cloud has no buster sword here 🤔
Roche dies of stigma in The Kids Are Alright. Motor cycle jacket, long hair, red cycle, brought a picture of himself with some others from nibelheim. He wont have time to degrade.
Awesome breakdown as always! Regarding the hooded guy, I really doubt it's Glenn. I used to be in the Glenn camp before this final trailer dropped, but with Rufus' reaction it really doesn't seem like it's him. I'm kinda leaning towards it being Verdot or something.
I’m now firmly in Camp Glenn… not sure how I feel about it. But I’m confident it’s him after looking closely… hopefully I’m wrong
@@schrodingersbabyseal I guess we'll just have to wait and see
Its Glenn if Glenn is the founder of Avalanche, with ties to Wutai, and believed dead.
OMG WHERE DID YOU GET ALL THAT EXTRA FOOTAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO?! :o I NEVER SAW MOST OF THAT STUFF BEFORE!!!
From my preview video here: ruclips.net/video/jQx5y9bCYMM/видео.htmlsi=tSFqByvA5Z5E6mw2
OMG THANKS. That Midgar ZOLOM scene was nuts.
Reclaim is the next title
Guys dont be silly, the title for part 3 is Reunion
That's already the subtitle of the Crisis Core remaster/remake.
Restore
Gilgamesh sounds like the VO for the guy talking over the original ff7 remake teaser “they’re coming back”
Thank you.
just AHHHHHHHHHHH
The cut over Cloud's eye in the church scene with Aerith messes with my head.
What if cloud, becomes a boss against the whole party this time around. And that’s why we can’t play as him the 2nd time around?
That's almost certain to happen with the way the story is progressing.
They are leaning into the fact that cloud is one of the robed figures that just got lucky that he ran into someone he knew to ground him.
@@justinwhite2725 I can see that 👍🏾
i'm already questioning how will they even top this and the game is not even out yet
underwater, airship, up to several missing regions, cid and vincent, triple attacks, eikon-level fights but with the party, potential of multiple parties with separate stories, a twisted world to reflect Meteor approach more starkly, all remaining summons and then some, deeper dungeon areas (Rebirth seems to focus more on overworld), maybe features like 'crisis points' to respond to emergencies, etc.
1:27:00 i suspect this is part of the natural cycle of Jenova's planet. Jenova is the omega weapon of another planet.
Corneo being compared to fucking Pete from KH is not what I was expecting.
I need somebody to mod Rowdy Rumble for his boss fight now.
(I have explained parts of this theory slightly better in the comment bellow) I have a theory that the reason why the timelines or a version of the Lifestream comprised of memories are now fucked is because the first time Zack died, Aerith wasn't aware of Zack's death, because of the Jenova cells not allowing him to return to the Lifestream. However, at the end of Crisis Core she uses Great Gospel which helps Zack's soul return to the Lifestream because we know it can heal Geostigma and cleanse people of Jenova cells. So, he's either stuck in the Lifestream where Aerith was meant to eventually be reunited with him which we see at the end of Advent Children, we know the Lifestream is comprised of all the knowledge and memories of people that have died there, and or alive within it. As Zack returning to the Lifestream has now happened before the end of Advent Children aka faster. Which if we remember at the end of FF7 the original we see Aerith in the exact same position opening her eyes in front of the mako pipe from the beginning potentially with renewed knowledge of what will play out. So, she breaks it to save Midgar. She's probably scared of the sky because she doesn't want to see that all the plates get ripped off, and Midgar end up destroyed as Holy did the opposite of it's intended stopping of meteor; allowing Midgar to be destroyed because it was the biggest threat to the planet at that point and or she knows using Great Gospel on Zack caused a whole mess. At the end of the game Aerith rallies the Lifestream. I think she intentionally is pushing Tifa and Cloud to recall their love for one another so Tifa can heal his mind faster which I think we'll see her flirt with Cloud more to make Tifa act faster. We've seen him throw her in the Lifestream or her fall in or whatever, he then screams and probably jumps in to save her. Starting that process earlier. The Aerith that appears to Cloud in chapter 14 and tells him what he feels for her isn't real she knows he's emulating Zack. So, she's pushing harder for Tifa to admit her feelings before the Mideel incident... Maybe just an idea. If Aerith can get the party to power down Midgar in the return to Midgar section which is presumably going to happen as it did in the original in Part 3 with this renewed knowledge and the party knowing they will shut down need to shut off all of Midgar's reactors so Holy works the way she originally intended. The other timeline could be the Lifestream or an alternate timeline which is based on memory. Cloud is able to exist in both places at once, since he is stuck in both the Lifestream and a part of Zack's memories intermingled and therefore able transfer the memories to create the world or imagining of the Lifestream that Zack falls into, when they split destiny at the end of remake the weak part of Cloud's mind could believe he failed against Sephiroth at the end of remake and the part of Cloud that is confident in the concousness he created splits the narrative further to split as he would believe he failed in his weakened life stream counterpart and shaping what Zack is seeing Midgar's current state which isn't what Midgar should be like at that point if Zack returns there, plate fall party dead etc. It's very confusing and I'm not explaining it well at all. Cloud's weaker counterpart may remember the Beagle as a terrier as Barret mentions that Shinra took stamp and turned it into a militarised simble for Shinra... Perhaps, this is hard to. Explain what I mean and I'm doing an appalling job of it. What I think has happened is Aerith broke the timeline by great gospelling Zack early. Cloud's consciousness is technically able to exist in both places. The fact Marlene and characters from remake and the original are present is because Cloud has those memories, their consciousnesses are intermingled with a failed version of the destiny breaking. We know Aerith did something to Marlene and Red hinting she knew way more than she was letting on hence knowing about Marlene and Sector 7 before she should have and Cloud being a Merc. Yet knew she'd have to risk that and did so sacrificing her memories of the past and splitting the timinelines for good. I have so many theories. I originally thought that is Sephirpth has knowledge of everything and the past. As such he needs to off Tifa not Aerith as he would know her presence in the Lifestream is what fucks his plan up... Kind of. Whereas, Tifa is the only one that will be able to restore Cloud to Cloud Stife not Cloud Fair. Hence him trying to manipulate Cloud against trusting her entirely and believing she's a Jenova mimic. I think the game should end at the North Crater not the forgotten city. In the timeline that Cloud is unconscious in if Aerith gives Cloud the White materia to Cloud in the Zack timeline he could bring it to Sephirpth instead of the Black posing as a puppet but having learned the knowledge earlier would be able to trust in Aerith and just take that to the North Crater and let it do it's thing. So, we would get Cloud handing off the White Materia opposed to giving the Black to the Rebirthed Sephiroth since he recrates his body in the Northern Crater. Perhaps that is too far fetched. I don't know how far they will push it. It's so hard to predict where this will go. I think Aerith will die in the timeline that we are in, but she will survive the forgotten Capital only to be killed off at the North Crater in part 3 which is where she was originally supposed to die, returning to Zack and explaining it is just the Lifestream they are in. I think when we saw Zack burst into the Church at the end of Intermission we were seeing a timeline of the end of Advent children of what would happen had Aerith lived as they originally reunited there and walked out the back of the church into the white side of the Lifestream as the split made everything fucked which is why Aerith has to break destiny because the preordained path with Cloud in the Lifestream with Zack could LEAD to. Zack trying to fix Cloud which would make him a Sephirpth Clone as only Tifa can do this. I am not explaining this well at all. I give up! 😂
It's normal not to be able to tell it clearly 😅 but I hope they do! Love the idea of shipping aerith somehow. Maybe having the flashback earlier. But I couldn't understand your cloud/link theory
@@skidmc Usually I'm very good at explaining my theories, but I went off the rails... Which part didn't you understand? Haha, I think Aerith has always pushed for Cloud and Tifa because she knew something wasn't right to some extent. I think it was always to make Tifa act faster. What I mean by Cloud... Is if you haven't played the original you wouldn't get this, but I assume you have. If yes, you will know most of the original of Cloud Strife's mind is stuck in the Lifestream and basically his consciousness is split in two that's probably an overstatement and as such it is plausible for him exist in both of these the real world and lifestream at the same time. If Zack is in the Lifestream the reason why it is manifesting the way it is, could be because of Cloud's memories shaping the Lifestream around Zack's to some degree. Or just by the sheer fact he is in the Lifestream being present to a degree as it has been shown to form off the memories of the dead within it, and people who have survived falling in and lived their consciousness shaping how it manifests a la Cloud and Tifa in his restoration of his mind.
When they split destiny at the end of Remake, Cloud's confident part of his consciousness would know they won out in the Sephirpth fight thus we continue down that path. Whereas the version of Cloud that's stuck, completely weak, unsure of himself and is essentially lost, would have all the memories of what occurred, but likely feeling he failed. Creating the Midgar that Zack is seeing. Hence the characters Zack has never met appearing (Zack has never met Elmyra or Marlene) when Zack arrives in Midgar the Sector 1 bombing mission wouldn't even have occurred by that point. Especially not to the point of Secotr 7 Plate fall and bike chase, as he arrived the same time Cloud would... Probably faster. So, it basically stands to reason that the reason Midgar is the way it is in Zack's 'universe' is either because of Cloud's condition with the Jenova Cells and Mako Poisoning forming the memories of what would have happened had that the group failed and died in the escape and since he's just an unconious husk its probabable the Lifestream still works in the present just not in Zack's perspective as Zack has no memories to of Midgar's present state. If it were two separate timeslines why would one jump forward? Cloud would be able to exist in both places at once if one is the Lifestream... I don't think there are two timeslines but that's just me as it makes the Buster Sword a paradox. As I said if that were the case the bombings, Avalanche attacking HQ, Plate fall and Bike chase wouldn't have occurred by the time Zack arrived in Midgar, he would have arrived waaay before Avalanche even carried out their first mission which may or may not nave been successful without Cloud. Events would have played out ENTIRELY differently. So, the reason Midgar is looking like this is due to Cloud probably think he failed and all the party died due to him, as for Biggs's existence people speak of him at the leaf house in remake and he was known in that area as such it is quite someone he knew or likely cared for maybe one of the children who died in the train graveyard memories would enable him to continue to exist as the Lifestream just forms on memories or he is just present and aware of his own presence in the Lifestream but it is odd that his version wouldn't be shaped by Cloud's perspective although both because more people knew Biggs in that area those memories take priority. The two timeslines makes no sense given the giant time leap forwards. If that wasn't the case I'd believe that there were. The random mentioning of Biggs being named in Sector 5 always stuck out as weird. Now I believe this is the reason why.
Aerith with her hair down, talking to Cloud is definitely a vision or dream. *She wore that materia in her hair with her hairband, which is removed upon a certain event happening* So it seems like she spoke with Cloud in a dream after that event took place.
the thing is she is also giving him the materia so it would make sense for her hair to be down regardless of that *event*… v mysterioussss
I love Tifa so much
The fact cissinei makes me so happy in this trailer. I have said in many different groups saying watch u run into cissenei looking for zack in gongaga. Im so happy i said it. 💯
I'm getting "book-end" vibes. The game opens with you playing as Cloud and Seph. I think the game will end with the party fighting AGAINST Cloud and Seph.
You know what would be insane? That once Sephiroth has complete control over Cloud, the AI-controlled Cloud has the exact same skill set and habits the player controlling Cloud had throughout the game? Just imagine your strategy against Cloud and Sephiroth will be unique to how you played Cloud throughout the game: meaning Sephiroth could use Cloud's weapon materia, his ATB abilities, Limit Breaks, etc.
29:20 Not quite. The topography changed after meteor in the books.
Still convinced theyre merging ff7 and ffx
26:17 - If you frame by frame this point in the trailer, you can see Sephiroth doing what looks like the actual 'death drop' and Cloud clashes it
Add this to Aerith handing Cloud the White Materia.
Seems to have already been confirmed it's not going to play out the same... ?!
that’s exactly what i was thinking he literally intercepts the stab 😭 please let it be
Fenrir is the bike Clark, not the fusion sword.
lol. Fenrir has been used for the fusion sword too, believe it or not, particularly in mobile games. But I agree it should be called Fusion sword… it’s been a long week!
@schrodingersbabyseal oh wow really? Weird. I don't like the mobile games so I never knew.
1:16:07 More breakdowns lets gooo🎉. Btw regarding that scene with Cloud looking to skewer Tifa at what looks like Gongaga. Its interesting to draw parallels to Zacks last stand since this version of cloud has lost Zack in a showdown against a large number of shinra infantrymen. When juxtaposed to a weakened cloud from zacks last stand, you see a empowered Cloud (maybe through Sephiroths influence as shown by his mannerisms in this scene) being able to murder all those infantrymen (with the blood on his face), with Tifa being next. Just a shower thought. 😮
43:54 The look on his face. He looks regretful. I think the assault scene before this may still in here.
So normal sephiroth is after the black materia, what if future sephiroth is after the white materia?
So like in this timeline of events cloud hands both black and white materia to sephiroth in the northern crater?
6:00 Good call.
Really feel like whispers are reunion spirits at this point
I didn't realise they were at the Forgotten Capital with the One-Winged Sephiroth until you paused it, I thought it was another Crossroads area like Remake xD
They confirmed one thing i was afraid theyd get wrong.
Marlene is Dyne's daughter.
Just curious, why did you think they would change that detail?
@@off-meta-michaelHe's being sarcastic, smh!
@@KJames2345Literally cannot tell lmao
@@off-meta-michael because it wasn't obvious in the original (at least not in English) and a lot of people thought that Marlene was actually Barret's child.
@@justinwhite2725 ive never heard that before. Dyne literally mentions marlene's mother who is his wife in the English dub. Its pretty clear.
Hmm basically the player will make choices through out the game that will effect the narrative of events, in one scenario he plays the game and the events of the game will play out as they did in the original game, however if other choices are made you crossover into a different timeline where the new version of events takes place. It will be up to the player what he chooses to do. The events of the new timeline are already starting to merge into the main timeline because of the defeat of the whispers, now it will will be choices made by the player to make potential changes in the plot become actual changes or not. Depending on how you play the game will determine what set of events takes place. This means different players will have different experiences of the story progresses. however this doesn’t mean that the out come at the end will be different but maybe they will.
21:30 Here's the thing, the voice and acting of the voice is great. Its the physical acting. They went full Yakuza and extremely Japanese in the acting and motions in ways that...just..dont fit.
Have to disagree, Dyne sounds great. The emotion, rage, anguish, self loathing the VA has portrayed based on the trailers so far is incredible. I’m highly looking forward to this section of FFVII: REbirth.
If Zack "steals" her, why would they show her like this? This makes it look like he finds her at this location/like this. Seems possible Shinra discovers Zack has survived and uses Aerith to track and capture him. And if there's a connection between Zack and Sephiroth's timing outside the church with Aerith and Cloud's inside, does Sephiroth WANT Aerith to give Cloud the white materia (figuring Zack would disrupt that handoff)?
She's going to die in the church isn't she? And cloud will be frozen in place and unable to fight back. Callback to chapter 2
I think that the sleeping characters in the Zack world are the ones whose fate have been altered with in the other world and changes in one shift their sleep state in the other.
do people think aerith is going to die in the end or are they just going to ruined is whole game again?
Ayyyy
I enjoy your content but what's the point of collabing and featuring other creators when all you do is cut them off and ignore them? happens all through the video but one example is 26:50 where you're just waiting for him to stop talking. said as a fan, just some constructive criticism
I’ll take that under advisement. Sleepezi and I are very good friends irl so sometimes this happens with us. I am showing him this immediately, as almost always HE is the one who gets attacked for interrupting me lol. But you’re right, I was kind of rushing him through this one because we had some time constraints. I’ll be better next time. This is just 90 minutes of about 6 hours of conversations we had too… we had alot going on lol. I also usually wouldn’t post a stream like this but I just had an influx of requests for this stream in particular.
@schrodingersbabyseal my bad if I sounded rude wasn't my intention, ty for xplaining and I still enjoyed all your analysis as always!
Earlllyyy
Cloud is sephoroth clone an Zak is angeal clone
Robed man from wutai is veld, not Glenn.
He was the leader of the Turks whose daughter was the leader of AVALANCHE, Rufus and tseng faked their deaths and wutai took them in.
You have a lot of patience SBBS. it was like talking to an hyperactive ADHD child😂 battered my head at times. Might need a "dude" counter next pod
Great vid
If this game is so large why couldn't you explore every sector of Midgar with open maps like Yakuza ff remake was 100 GB why is this game that 150GB so much larger
GOTY
Johny and Cisnei siblings maybe? The placement of both characters and similarities alludes to it, maybe? Haah 😂
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of glad we seem to be skipping Rocket Town.
It means play the game and find out...
Thank you for the comment.
I'm not gonna lie man, I see a 90 minute video without time stamps and I just click off.
Maybe one day I'll watch this
3 years worth of videos and I have yet to see one single sleepezi "theory" that is even remotely close to being true.
Babyseal is horrible! Maximillion dood is the best for FF7 content!
Ok… it’s not a competition. I love Max… we are friendly with each other. We had a ton of fun last week together at the square event… I don’t understand why you’re trying to pit us against each other? We are planning a collaboration next month… are you gonna harass me on that collab? Do you think Max appreciates this behavior?
@@schrodingersbabyseal legendary baby seal should be your name 😂
I think the guy in the Cloak could be Veld I can’t think of any other reason why Rufus would have that reaction also Cissneis Outfit reminds me a bit of Wutai Garb