Reds comments about how if you've never played the previous games is like being Link with full amnesia vs longtime players being like him getting weird time-flashbacks was my favorite takeaway from this!
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no RUclipsr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear öuna
As a person who had a cave painting hyperfixation a few months ago, this game perfectly captures what I love about paleolithic art. There’s this sense of endless mystery because _nobody_ knows what happened at this point in the timeline any more, and every hint is so rich with lost knowledge and cultural significance that the emotion poured into each piece of stone and swirl of paint is _palpable,_ and somehow they created this vast, cosmic sense of longing within a _video game_
YES! Like looking at the carvings in the Forgotten Temple, you can actually feel the insane amount of time that has passed. Actually, it was looking at all the ancient stuff in BOTW that made me start to think that it’s entirely possible that there was an extremely advanced civilization living on earth millions of years ago. They die out, everything they created eventually returns to the earth with enough time, and we would never even know they existed. Now, I find it to be the absolute height of human ego to believe we were the only advanced civilization that only came about relatively recently and won’t even consider the alternative. Really, who even knows how many times civilization had to completely reset. I’m not saying it’s 100% true but I AM saying it’s entirely possible. Our knowledge of history gets unstable only after a few tens of thousands of years in the past. Consider 10 million years, 100, 500, ya know?
The fun part is, Skyward sword may be the first game in the Leg of Zeg timeline, but it's by no means the *beginning!* The world that'll later be known as Hyrule is *already old* and full of ruins by the time Skyward Sword takes place. Y'know, just to give a reference for how incomprehensibly long this entire timeline is.
True, but it's the first reincarnation of Link. So there wouldn't be much game space before then unless they wanted to swap to actually having Zelda be the protagonist since she is implied to be able to reincarnate backward in time since there is at one point 2 of her reincarnations existing at once.
@@strifera or, we get shown something we were only vaguely shown before for a more grity LoZ, his first life. We get shown the gifting and forging of the master sword, we get to see Zelda as truly Hylia, and all that fun jazz.
@@w.mccartney431 I don't think you could do a Hylia's Chosen Hero game. People would accuse Nintendo of ripping off Elder Scrolls with the starting in prison bit and I can't imagine Hylia's Chosen Hero not talking. Admittedly, it might be worth it just to see people flip out at the game starting with Link trying to refuse to save Hyrule and ending with him dying.
@@strifera well, link talks, even if he has no voiced lines, as shown in almost all 3d Zelda’s at least. And would it really be a ripping off of the elder scrolls, especially if we start even *before* he gets thrown in prison for years? It would all be really interesting to see where it truly all started.
I love the idea that there might have been a point or points in Hyrule's history where "There'll be a kid along any moment now to fix all this" was common knowledge, and parents who had a precocious, oddly athletic kid with blond hair might have been getting excited at some point that their kid was gonna be someone special. Follow that along to this next point where parents are actively seeking mates who might give them a blond haired kid and their dads encouraged them to wear green tunics, and learn to fight, in the chances that they might be needed.
I mean... you don't have to speculate. You see it in Wind Waker *and* Spirit Tracks. In WW, Link is encouraged to wear the tunic for a day, but it used to be a whole ass initiation where they had to go to sea and adventure. In Spirit Tracks, guards at the castle wear green tunics.
Consider too that it might be the opposite though. Parents terrified their child will have that burden placed upon them. The hero doesn't always win after all.
BotW really feels like someone dropped a magic nuke directly on Hyrule Castle and honestly it’s impressive how well constructed the world is. All the people are pressed into the edges of the world, and the center is just full of malice and guardians.
Ya. The people have been pushed so far. You can tell how stressed they are for safety the way they wander around defenseless in the overworld, how there are safe trade routes, how there are just undefended people scattered around the world doing random, personal things, and how all but the biggest of the villages have ANY security at all. And the landscape? Oh ya. Feels like a grand total of nothing. Like, not even that a devastating thing happened. like literally nothing exists, or has existed ever, except for two landmarks that are AMAZINGLY intact for being forgotten and supposedly under siege for so long. The world isn't "well constructed." It's just big with a handful of references scattered around. Seriously. What is stopping the Gorons, Zora, and Ruto from coming down into Hyrule Field, ending the threats in the main field, keep a presence around for Blood Moons, avoid the denser Guardian areas, and begin rebuilding? The Divine Beasts? Those things that are doing nothing but being mildly annoying? Heck. The Zora Divine Beast is just making the Zora wet with rain. Oh no! The FISH people are getting WET! Whatever shall they do!? The world is huge, but the worldbuilding is terrible.
@@Nickle_King Yeah, because the last time they tried to fight a Guardian invasion things went SO well. The ONLY reason the condition of the land isn't still fully as bad as 100 years before is because Zelda has been working overtime to KEEP it that way. The second she tired out (which, in-universe time probably equates to... a few weeks? Tops?), there was literally nothing that was going to stand in the way of the coming devastation. And it's pretty safe to surmise that the reason the places are largely undefended is due to... all the warriors either busy doing work or being dead. Funny thing about a devastation like what happened 100 years before: if the majority of soldiers/warriors/combat-trainers are DEAD then they can't TEACH the next generation or two! Seriously, how are they going to rebuild the forces needed to handle such a massive undertaking? Not to mention, there is NO reason to suppose that if they play with the wasp's nest (ie: a monster-extermination campaign) that it wouldn't trigger a massive assault of monsters to converge on them and eradicate them. Heck, there's no reason to suspect they DIDN'T already try that and that is also why they have so few warriors left. At this point, most likely they survive largely in thanks to staying mostly close to home and only dealing with the monsters that happen to wander too close. And, really? A racist joke about fish people and water? Yeah, that pretty well shows your actual interest in worldbuilding. They straight up acknowledge that they have more needs than just "lots of water" in their lives and the constant heavy downpour is a major detriment to them. They NEED sunlight, they WANT to interact and trade with other peoples, they WANT to live in a home that isn't just a constant gloomy torrent. There are many activities that are either harder or at least less enjoyable in the rain, even for Zora, who have been shown to spend TONS, if not most, of their time out of the water. Not to mention, the things they need to survive (aka: food) ALSO have needs, and one of those is... wait for it... SUNLIGHT! Sure, they have obviously survived that long, but surviving is NOT the same as actually living. It's actually very impressive they are in as good condition overall. Really, can you guess (or know, if you are a biology/social expert as well as master game critic) what happens when a massive cloud system sits between a land and the sun for an extremely long span of time with NO breaks? And not just a few days or weeks but for 100 YEARS? ONE HUNDRED YEARS WITH NO SUN and a constant, never-ending downpour over your entire land.
A friend pointed out about Skyward Sword: this is the start of the timeline, the origin of all this, maybe we get to learn where all these ancient temple-dungeons and magic swords came from... And the answer is, the temples were already there and the magic sword was made from a different, pre-existing and equally unexplained magic sword.
It's more like, Skyward Sword is the Age of Legends - all of the legends and stories we see in the later games get their explicit start there. But even before that is the Age of Myth, when literal gods and the actual embodiments of good and evil not only existed as flesh and blood entities, but *actively fought each other directly then,* rather than through lesser, mortal proxies that gave up their divinity and immortality, so that, even if they are struck down, they may forever reincarnate to continue the fight until the end of all time.
Skyward Sword starts by a retelling of a mythical war from god knows how long ago that resulted in the current state of the world and that was in itself a follow up to an era of peace of an equally unknown length (during which the tech to develop freaking robots was common place) that is in itself what happen after the age of creation. Skyward Sword doesn't even try to hide that it takes place millenia after a lot of relevant events that never showed up in any game beyond backstory.
To reiterate what I said elsewhere: Skyward sword represents the *end* of Hyrule's history. We know things happened before, but they were different things. After Skyward Sword? The same cycle, repeating, over and over again with the most trivial of variation. Hyrule will never change, never progress, because it is over, bound into a loop by providence.
A thing that really haunts me about Hyrule is that like, in just 10000 years we got the whole of human civilization irl. We got the evolution of culture, religion, economics and politics, that led to past societies being wildly different from today's world. Yet in Hyrule, society has existed for a significantly longer time, yet so many things stay the same. It's like the world is forbidden from changing too much. Anything that is highly advanced ends up being forgotten, Hyrule has been governed by a royal family for who knows how long, and so on
yeah thats a trop in fantasy worldbuilding that i really hate. it feels like a lot of writers dont really relise how long 10000 or just 1000 years really are
I mean, think of what humans did for the 100,000 years before that though. Pretty much the same thing, with people being either semi-settled or purely nomadic. My point is that the notion that time is a linear curve towards technological progress is flawed. Things tend to stay the same more than they change. Also also, you have to consider how magic would logically impact a world. If a wizard can move boulders, or you can craft a magic potion that improves strength, then why would you invent a crane?
I love that demise is just underneath the forgotten temple after all this time. Like it's basically a great old one just waiting to be unsealed and I love that.
More than that I like just how buried Skyloft and it’s culture is under the ages. The only remainder of the time of the skies is the buried temple that felled The Imprisoned.
@@nomore6258 yeah, which is why ganon is an incarnation of him. you can't have an incarnation while the original is still around. that would suck. imagine ganon and demise buddy buddy destroying the world.
The darkest thing about Zelda is that 3 people have essentially been trapped throughout time destined and cursed to fight each other forever and everyone else gets caught up in it every time.
To be fair, they get out of it in the Adult Timeline using phenomenal cosmic power. So it wouldn't be permanent if they'd just remember they can just do that one of the times when they get the Triforce in the other timelines. Demise's curse has jack on the Three Goddesses.
No the darkest thing is that those 3 are all superhuman badasses, meanwhile there's a tree, a fish and a bugsalesperson who somehow got themself stuck reincarnating as well, and one of them is very much a regular person.
@@strifera remind me again, the Adylt Timeline is the Dark Tineline in Ocarina where Ganon has conquered Hyrule, Right? Because if that’s the case Ganondorf was less defeated there than the others. He got sealed in the Sacred Realm (which didn’t stick) he got out and caused problems with the Twili and upon being killed he says that he’s still going to come back. Which honestly I think people keep forgetting about. Because just like Link and Zelda, Ganondorf can technically reincarnate too thank you the curse of Demise (the incarnation of my hatred will follow you for all time) he just hasn’t needed to. In every timeline he’s been killed yet he’s still returned in BotW and was sealed away for his troubles because people probably were finally figuring out “Theirs no possible way he can permanently kill Ganon, so let’s just lock him away forever”
@@Justic_ It has also tickled me that the entries in the "Adult" timeline tend to be the more childish looking games like Wind Waker, while the entries in the "Child" timeline tend to be the more darker and mature games like Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. I know that's because they branch off from the future and present portions of Ocarina's split time periods, but the juxtaposition has always amused me.
@@fist-of-doom487 You're confused. Ganon conquers Hyrule in the Adult and Failure Timelines. He is sealed in the Sacred Realm in the Failure Timeline. He causes problems with the Twili in the Child Timeline. In the Adult Timeline he is eventually killed while simultaneously being *magicked by a wish on the Triforce* to be washed away with Hyrule to never bother anyone again. Then they pack up and resettle on a new continent with nary a Ganon in sight. Demise's curse doesn't trump the Triforce. That'd be insane.
I can say without a hint of sarcasm that Red adoring Twilight Princess and trying to shoehorn the Twilight realm in as many places as she can brings me so much joy. Twilight Princess was such an influential game on my writing and art style, and I found it more enjoyable than just about any other Zelda game, before or since. Keep cheering on the Twilight Era, Red!
So fun fact, the eighth heroine statue is still attached to the cliff in the Gerudo highlands. It was carved there. So it was probably the other seven heroines who were moved. All seven of them. Over the mountains.
I’ve said it for a while but Breath of the Wild feels like what happens when Studio Ghibli makes a Fallout game. Thank you Red for making me feel reassured in that.
@@blacksage2375 I was thinking the same thing. Ghibli’s always had anti-war/imperialism, pro-environmentalism in sooo many of their films They also had a massive influence on Magic Pengel-the PS2 game’s made in the ghibli artstyle, it has those same Grand Themes ghibli has in most of their Plottier vs Childhood/coming of age films, and the epilogue was actually animated by them
So, talking about Zelda's Lullaby being written Around the Tri force Symbol, there was actually a news story about a decade or so ago about some people rediscovered some music that had been carved around the edge of carved wooden portraits mounted in roundels from old sottish castles
Honestly the guardians feel (to me at least) a lot like nukes from a fallen civilization. Like they realized "oh shit these are dangerous we better bury them so no one uses em" and then 10,000 years later the Hylians dig them up and don't realize what they're really dealing with.
@@danieljames1868 I’ll always say that 1) pulling Zelda off the Project and 2) forcing her to start her spirit maiden training too early and as a literal toddler vs waiting until she had her own life experiences were THE WORST things His Royal Fuckup could’ve done-Hylia’s just as (if not more) associated with TECHNOLOGY than spiritualism …that and the cultural genocide the sheikah experienced. Losing your culture&technology is NEVER a good thing and hyrule deserved to get its ass bit HARD as a direct-but-delayed result -if Zelda wasn’t forced off she’d have found the Flaw (she literally had the most success with figuring that technology out-and well, still part of her divine heritage, too) -if the Sheikah weren’t forced to lose their technology they would’ve known how to use it (and again, either known the flaw or found the flaw and therefore could’ve tried patching it)
@@anonymousfellow8879, and if the shiekah never buried their tech, the Yiga wouldn't exist either. The only reason they defected to Ganon was because they felt betrayed by the royal family
@@anonymousfellow8879 I thought the "Flaw" in the guardians was just that they were really effective weapons that Ganon possessed. No antivirus software is gonna protect your computer from angry demons.
@@bluelfsuma Except Sheikah Tech (and tech in Zelda period) has always been magitech/somewhat soul-ish related…otherwise the Malice wouldn’t be able to take over. Even IF the Sheikah and Zelda really couldn’t patch it, they could’ve started doing a better job of dismantling the technology than simply “burying it in the ground like a 1950s chemical plant”-it’s still in good enough shape that the Malice could still make it run (as seen by Calamity Ganon trying to use Guardian Parts to construct a body in its eggsack) There’s also how all the enemies brought back by the Blood Moon are ORGANIC-ie, they have souls. And the Malice is essentially a soul-ichor used to enthrall with Demise’s Will
The terrifying idea of the hole in the peak is that it’s not an errant shot, but a deflected one. So, consider, that not only could it carve through a mountain, but that **that wasn’t enough firepower**
@@DeadMech1 But you know how many people got poisoned by the Castle Bravo disaster vs how many people got anihilated by magic nuke laser? Red alikens BotW to Gihbli. If BotW were Gihbli, then a lot more people would have been anihilated by nuke lasers.
(Counts on hands) …okay so Link to the Past uses the Triforce to reset events, OoT Zelda does the same thing with her “Sage Powers”, Termina may or may not be part of the same reality as Hyrule, Link did A LOT of Time Travel Fuckery in Oracle of Ages (which has a literal oracle with time powers who has visited the past At Least Once before Veran), arguably Din and Onox and Link physically messed with Spacetime by manipulating the seasons around and cause the planet to wobble (there’s plenty of volcanism), Skyward Sword!Link keeps whacking timeshift stones (and nevermind the Gates of Time)… Yeah. Time abyss checks out. -faaaar more than those so-called “timelines” do that don’t even match up with Games’ Lore well at all half the time. And like. Every Time Shenanigan should do similar splits, which OoT Zelda really only split twice; “Fallen” only exists as a really shitty Word of God. By all rights MC, FS, and FSA should all exist POST ST with Sunken Hyrule drained…but the Master Sword is now Lost-
The Temple of Time's design is *such* good environmental design. You have the jomon-style robot Guardians lying defunct around this Gothic style cathedral, the whole eastern wall blown out (which is the direction you're advised to go first), and framed in the front doorway is Hyrule Castle, your end destination.
Something to note: The three regions Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru, along with the three dragons Farosh, Dinrael, and Naydra, are named after the three Triforce goddesses / Golden Goddesses Farore, Din, and Nayru. It's interesting to see the region names, which exist in their current form even as far back as Skyward Sword, so far outlive the legends of the goddesses that they were named for, to the point where they aren't named or referred to at any point even in the prehistory of Breath of the Wild.
dragon skeletons tend to stay together, it's basically chemistry. For their bones to be strong enough to hold such a large creature, they require reinforcement, like rebar in concrete, and like rebar, this reinforcement, a mesh on the the cellular level, is made of iron. The extreme heats generated by their combustion/breath magnetize the iron slightly each time, and thus as they cool after a blaze they magnetize, and fail to fully separate at the decomposition of the tendons. You can probably poke holes in it but it's my headcanon and you can use it too if you want
@@FISHYFILMPRODUCTIONS It totally could, but that's dependent on two factors: maximum heat achieved and rated of cooling. So while you *may* be correct, to confirm your suspicions we need to know the average specific heat of a dragon, and the specific heat of dragonflame. Do you know how to get data on those?
@@liamomalley5779 This may not be relavent to all worlds, but the DnD Ancient Red Dragon's fire breath does 91 (or 26d6) fire damage, or assuming you're extremely quick to react (DC 24 Dex save, the average person wouldn't make that) half. A commoner NPC in DnD has 4 HP. So, an Ancient Red Dragon's fire breath is hot enough to basically cremate the average person 1.5-39x over. I'm not an expert on heat, but I'd think that's pretty hot.
I love the worldbuilding in this game. It truly is a love letter to the entire series in every part of Hyrule. As someone who studied Zelda history as a hobby, it is so much fun to know the staying power of these games. One little detail that could be noted is in Lurelin Village, that tropical place by the sea. There's a side quest where you must assemble a strange mirror that can apparently breach dimensions. And that Mirror looks so much like the Mirror of Twilight in Twilight Princess! Man, I love that continuity!
Well...if you're talking about the thing in the Fragmented Monument side quest, it's not actually stated to be a mirror, nor is it said to be a bridge between dimensions. All that is said about it is that it has a clue as to how one can unlock the shrine. It does look a bit like the Mirror of Twilight, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they were trying to evoke it with the appearance of the monument, but aside from a passing physical resemblance, the connection is tenuous.
@@guardingdark2860 the text on the monument is also written in the zonai text, making it a zonai artifact. which makes the connection to the mirror of twilight even more dubious
@@infiniteedge4427 Unless, of course, the Zonai are the Twili, or analogous to them. That hand holding Ganon down and those runes look very familiar, is all I'm saying.
I just love how perfect Breath of the Wild absolutely nails it's post-apocalyptic, ancient worldbuilding. There's enough information and clues across the game to be unsettling and unknown and it's amazing
20:30 I feel like the reason people don’t like giant skeletons in Zelda is because of their nasty habit of coming alive and trying to kill you Also I’m gonna add that Link in Twilight Princess is probably one of the physically strongest Links out there, with no physical help like bracelets or anything. He’s straight-up strong enough to GRAB AND THROW a Goron who’s like 5x his size and wearing heavy metal armor, with only a little help making him heavier so it can’t just blow him away. He directly overpowers Ganon who is strong enough to break shackles and has the Triforce of Power (which is implied to make him physically powered up.) It’s hilarious to think about him just being this ridiculously strong farm boy who genuinely has no idea what’s happening.
I know it's a small thing, but I have to point out that the eighth heroine was most likely not moved : she and her sword seem to be made from the rock of the highlands, so it's probable she was just... made there.
My thoughts are that since Lynels are extremely territorial, to the point of TELEPORTING when they stray too far from their hunting grounds, the lynel might have set up shop before the sword could be completely carve out and the gerudo decided to not finish the eighth heroine.
Well, as some others have pointed out, the statues are made of different rocks, the 7 desert heroines are yellow sandstone, like what's found in the desert, where as Number 8 is the same red sandstone of her mountain home, which implies that she was for some reason separated from her sisters, some people have theorized this is because she may have sided with Ganandorf while her sisters sided with Link and Zelda, so when she and Ganandorf defeated she was banished to the highlands, and now you may be wondering who would worship a banished heroine? The same people that worship Ganandorf and are from the highlands and the desert. The Yiga Clan. I think they carved the eighth statue to represent the eighth sister, the sister they worship, and the sword was meant to be carved of a separate rock, perhaps carved from the very peak of the mountain, since a mighty warrior would need an equally mighty sword, but the Lynel moved in before it could be completed, as others here have suggested, which is why it's left where it is at the peak!
Zeltik’s easily my favorite zelda-only zeldatuber, and aside from how well-made his videos are and how great his voice is for voiceover…I don’t have to worry about getting bombarded by sexism in his videos. Case in point: the gerudo? He consistently describes them as “strapping” …while others would repeatedly say Ass-ets (and drop Zelda’s Butt in repeatedly.) -tho I do wish he’d finish out his Strongest Holders. He did Link and Ganon but…Zelda WHEN?! Sure BigNin insists on sidelining and damseling her, but she’s still had moments of cleverness and raw magical prowess. Do my girl a solid!!-
I remember finding the Lost Woods in Breath of the Wild for the first time and nearly crying when the pattern to navigate it was the same (it was knee-jerk the first instinct I had). Figuring out the Lost Woods and then finding the Forest Temple even deeper later on was such a monumental piece of my childhood that the BotW Lost Woods felt like coming home to a place I'd long since accepted I would never set foot in again.
@@bretlanier2304 The Forest Temple in Ocarina of Time, I mean. There's no Forest Temple in BotW; the closest equivalent in the later game would be trial of the Master Sword.
I like the whole missing statue thing a lot, because there IS precedent in Zelda of statues coming to life and walking around. There's even precent of Link being the one controlling them.
Over a year old and I'm coming back after Tears released, I know they're gassed over all the new lore drops. Can't wait for a detailed diatribe on Tears
Lon Lon Ranch - I still think one of the moments that will stick with me the most from BOTW was finding the destroyed ranch grounds and being hit by that sadness and getting a feel for just what the Calamity did
Yup! I had just started the game and was randomly exploring because I didn’t know anything. Stumbled there on accident and was shocked then smiled like I saw an old friend.
It's almost insane the timescale that breath of the wild is able to actually convey. You guys make a good point that we only mostly know what happened at like the 3000 year mark even then there are entire civilizations we can only theorize about like the Sea Peoples or the Minoans hell even the way of life of the Phoenicians and Carthage are unknown in some cases. The fact that Hyrule has a kinda discernible history beyond like 10,000 is beyond belief. Yet they make it so when other media just can't.
So what I'm learning from the first five minutes is that Breath of the Wild is a love letter to Zelda inside another Zelda. I love it. I mean, I already loved it, but now I love it even more.
When I saw the first giant skeleton, my first action was to check the time, because I did NOT want to think about Stalwhale fights until I was WAY kitted out.
I found the Eldin one before I even got the quest so I had no idea giant skeletons were around. And since I had just finished Skyward Sword before playing BOTW, I immediately knew it was Levias from the armor plate and man, not many games truly pull that level of sadness from me, l basically found a friends remains. Then I find the Wind Fish in the desert and MAN that game is dark and bleak 😂
As a person who fell down a Zeltik Theory hole a little while ago, seeing you guys summarize all of the really cool landmarks and theories that come with them is amazing. I've been listening to the videos for so long that I was kind of desensitized to the actual timescale between games and their iconic landmarks, and this vid is a serious eye opener. And the fact that we barely know about the things we know like the leviathans and the zonai, what the hell is still hidden in Hyrule? It's so grounding and so amazing how it feels like a real world with realistic progression of history and how that history is whittled down over maybe millions of years!
13:04 - "And it's always full of blonde children for some reason! Always at the center of it!" Does anybody else remember, _way_ back in the day, when Link had brown hair and Zelda, Peach, and Samus were redheads?
When playing the game, there were two potential great stories that the backstory opened up: that time that the heroes kicked Ganon's butt so hard that he went dormant for ten thousand years; and that time that the heroes kicked Ganon's butt so hard that he was unable to regenerate in a fully corporeal form. Now I just want to see ice climbers and Rito react to Vah Ruta missing her shot and blasting a hole in a mountain hundreds of miles away.
To quote someone else in this comment section, the much more unsettling idea is that it wasn't a missed shot but a *deflected* shot, which means that even with the ability to match a Warlord Titan from 40k, they couldn't put down Ganon down without one hell of a fight
I always wondered what the reason was for why Ganon couldn’t reincarnate into a normal human anymore, he did it just fine for like 100,000 years. Is that really the reason, because the heroes whooped his ass? If so that is a tiny bit disappointing
27:15 ... That... Actually has some precedent. The baby Zoras from Majora's Mask are born knowing the New Wave Bossanova, which is a song their grandmother lulu sang to their mother... Another Lulu.
Never thought about how the three totemic animals of the Zonai could be representative of the three Triforce pieces: Boar=Power, Owl=Wisdom, Courage=Dragon
Also, to confirm Reds suspicion, I believe it was stated previously BotW was heavily inspired by Ghibli. I mean, look at one of the earliest trailers we got. It screams Princess Mononoke.
Not a zelda title but. You guys’ll like Magic Pengel and the Quest for Color It’s basically “what happens when Ghibli makes a videogame.” Same themes as many of their films, heavy design influence for the graphics, and yes, yes they did animate the final cutscene in 2D vs the game’s usual 3D
I think it's interesting that in past Zelda games, whenever a timescale between games was implied or directly stated, it wasn't all that long (1000 years / ~40 generations for Ocarina of Time -> Wind Waker, or 100 years / 4 generations for Wind Waker -> Spirit Tracks, or ~150 years / 6 generations for Link to the Past -> Link Between Worlds). It usually ranged from about 75 years minimum (between Link's Awakening and the Oracle games; the Oracle games and Link Between Worlds) to 1000 years maximum (Ocarina of Time to Wind Waker). The timeline, while spanning multiple millennia, was relatively compact, only spanning about 3,000 years or so between the "first" game and the "last" game chronologically. Then Breath of the Wild busts in with a whopping TEN THOUSAND year time gap to an event that happened *god knows how long after* the previous games. It's honestly insane how incomprehensibly old Breath of the Wild made Hyrule. The timescale went from somewhat understandable (a few thousand years) to older than AGRICULTURE (more than 13K years). I absolutely love it, honestly.
For perspective, the battle that happened between the technology advanced hyrule and ganon was the latest before the great calamity And it was ten thousand years ago Agriculture was invented eight thousand years ago in our world Yes Hyrule is so incredibly ancient
@@TheOneHoddToward I'm publishing a description of a couple of second century busts from the near eastern city of Palmyra. As part of the local funeral custom, people were interred in wall sconces (loculi) covered with busts of those buried inside which were often inscribed with formulaic inscriptions (Name / [son of] name / [son of] name / Alas!). These busts were looted in abundance in the 1920's, and many that lacked inscriptions had them added for 'marketability'. In any event, one of the busts I'm studying has an inscription where a lot of the letters are either Arabic or scribbles, not at all Palmyrene Aramaic. It could VERY charitably be read as "Shalmat / Son of 'a / alas ([HB]L)", but Shalmat is a feminine name, 'a is NOT a name, the lamed (L) in "Shalmat" and "HBL" are different, and the shin (SH) in Shalmat is CLEARLY Arabic. All in all, It's very weird.
One of my favorite theories about BOTW is that the reason it seemingly references games across all the timelines is simply because so much time has passed and so many cycles have occurred that every game simply inevitably happened eventually. Like eventually enough time passed that yeah there probably was a flood at some point causing Rito to exist or that at some point there was inevitably some sort of Twilight Realm incident
But where I’m confused is Rito are directly descended from Zora because of the Great Flood and it’s implied the Zora were extinct. I wish the developers would enlighten us. This whole “we know but we’ll never tell” coy bullshit is for the birds
@@bretlanier2304 Honestly yeah I feel that. Nintendo does a lot with Zelda with leaving implications of lore and mysteries that just, will never get answered. I think they do it because it really lends to Hyrule feeling like this really mysterious and ancient world that has endless history that no one will ever be 100% privy to but it definitely can be a little frustrating at times, especially when those never spoken about again aspects are bits from other games that people really loved (Like the Twili just permanently being banished to another dimension that we’ll never see and hear from again)
My headcannon is that a lot of the almost correct names where at one point the right spelling, but over time as the legends drift so did the spellings and pronunciations
Not gonna lie, I fixate on the geology a LOT when I play BotW. I pay very close attention to what rock textures are where. One of the first things I noticed? Most of the rock in the Akkala region has the same sort of texture as Eldin and, specifically, Death Mountain; some of the rock on the fringes of the Hebra region closest to Eldin share that texture. I also know enough about geology to know volcanoes like to form complexes where new magma chambers form as old ones crystallize. Case in point: Bay of Naples is a series of nested calderas with Mt. Vesuvius growing out of one of the younger calderas. The AREA has been volcanicly active for a very long time, but the activity took place at multiple different eruptive centers over that time. Now lets think about how long there has been an active volcano somewhere in Hyrule starting with Eldin Volcano and continuing through the various iterations of Death Mountain...and Mt. Crenel that one time. Clearly not all the same mountain. But they might all be part of the same ancient volcanic complex...and that is cool. It's very cool. So I kept doing it. Each time I play I add a little bit more onto my geological map of Hyrule and what forces were at work sculpting the geographical features over all that time. ....Weirdly enough, it's actually easier for me to conceive the passage of time on a geologic scale than it is for me to on a human one....which is why I have an easier time keeping track of decades than I do individual years and am absolutely hopeless at tracking the passage of time on any scale shorter than a month. I don't know why my brain works this way, but I will happily take advantage of it.
If there's anymore cool geological facts about this game, please share it. While I'm not really a geology nerd, that is still an awesome detail, and I want to know more.
@@runedoom OBSERVATIONS! THEY ARE OBSERVATIONS AND HYPOTHESES ONLY! I'm not one of the designers so I can't give you facts. Only observations and hypotheses built off of logical deductions related to real world equivalents. As in, I'm pretty sure most of the rock around Zora's Domain is limestone because that is what it looks like and would make sense from all the water in the area. I'm also pretty sure most of the rock in the Gerudo Region is sandstone because it would make sense for there to be a lot of that kind of sedimentary rock around a desert. And I think the rock around Rito Village is also sandstone, but of a different composition than that of the Gerudo region. Though it could also be shale. There are a LOT of types of rock in the world and I am only familiar with a small percentage. Plus equating real world rock with video game textures is tricky because I doubt many game designers are as obsessive as I am about small details like how erosion sculpts different rocks into VERY different forms based on hardness and how not every kind of rock fractures the same way AND then taking all of those details and creating an equally detailed framework for the surface textures to be rendered on. The pros and cons of being on the autism spectrum have a LOT of overlap. Detail hyper-fixation is one of those areas of overlap. Yes, I am VERY good at noticing and internalizing a lot of fine detail, but when it comes to replicating it...I will take an eternity trying to make sure it is 100% accurate at all levels of detail. Deadlines are on my list of mortal enemies right up there with steep staircases...
@@runedoom Not a problem. I'd say more but I can't figure out a way to word it that doesn't contradict my first sentence via implication. *I* know what I mean, but I can't figure out how to clearly communicate it so that anyone else can understand what I mean... Just another day on the autism spectrum.... Yay....
@@Ilikecatsismychannelname yep. definitely understand not knowing how to say what I'm thinking, resulting in some people assuming I'm just dumb, so they yell and punch and kick me.
Have you considered doing a diatribe of the world of hollownest from the game “Hollow Knight”? It’s such a unique world, every piece of it has its own history and mysteries, I highly suggest you look into it. Edit: just chuckin in a guess release date for silk song cus I feel like it. February 1st 2022 Edit 2: it’s been over a year and a few months, guess that went nowhere
One of my preferred theories about the Zonai-Sheikah connection is that the Sheikah absorbed, for a lack of a better term, Zonai sites and architecture style after the tribe vanished. Extra spicy if the Sheikah are in some way responsible for their disappearance, perhaps at the order of the Royal Family 👀 The fact that the Zonai are never mentioned by *anyone*, not even Impa, despite important sites like the Spring of Courage and a few shrines being present within Zonai ruins, implies that the Zonai tribes were long gone by the time the Sheikah were building those shrines. And structures like the Lomei labyrinths do look like Zonai at first glance, but they're far better preserved and well-constructed than any of the other supposed Zonai structures, indicating they may actually be Sheikah-made. Not to mention there's an entire island with a basement apartment built several hundred feet off the friggin' coast in Akkala; that'd be near impossible to do without some serious manpower! This might be more up Blue's alley, but supposedly the architectural style is slightly different in the labyrinths too--like one culture trying very hard to mimic the style of another. Most of these points were compiled by NintendoBlackCrisis in their two-part Zonai documentary. Give it a watch if you haven't already!
Actually there's a sheikah tower that burst through a zonai structure in faron, so the tribe still existed long after the sheikah towers were built. furthermore, the labryinths are far bigger scale than other structures so it makes sense they'd last longer, they are also no doubt magical in nature.
I like to think that the sheikah and the Zonai existed around the same time and that the Zonai were absorbed into the Sheikah and that’s how they “disappeared”
@@stardoogalaxie9314 Considering the Constructs from the Sky Islands in TotK, plus the Labyrinths being in a different style from the other Zonai stuff, you might be onto something.
@@stardoogalaxie9314I'm more of the opinion that the Sheikhah essentially just took Zonai tech for themselves after they died? They innovated and figured out how to function without zonaite, but they still needed the knowledge and mechanisms to get where they ended up.
Speaking of the corruption of music over time: there is a book called "A Cantacle for Liebowitz" that follows a monastery post-nuclear apocalypse, and they perpetuate the last technical library through the ages, including illuminated copies of circuit diagrams
Just remembered the scene where they find out that blueprints are just in negative because of the copying process, and exclaims about all the ink they could have saved if they knew that the colors weren't important
An interesting thing I realized is that there is a rock next to the Lynel closest west of the Eldin great skeleton that has a similar hole as the one in Hebra Mountain that lines up with the hole in Hebra mountain. Another interesting thing is that you can see the blood moon in the Thyphlo Ruins.
I love that BOTW acknowledges, accepts and blatantly references nearly every Zelda game. Zelda is a beloved franchise that has existed for a long time and I'm glad that the game devs are willing to tap into their linage instead of just ignoring it. It makes us players feel connected to it's world/universe, as we apply our unique mindset that's backed by years of experiencing these worlds before. It makes us feel like the constant reincarnations of the characters in-game, slowly building knowledge from the surroundings to the point where we're able to identify reference points which date multiple generations into the past. It's just fascinating. I don't even care if the reincarnation trope is just a money making scheme. Because it's handled so intuitively and respectfully, BOTW will always be one of my most favorite games. BOTW 2 is very ambitious as it is handling the lineage of not only the entire franchise but the most recent game, which was one of the most impactful experiences from Zelda, so I really hope that Nintendo is able to create something as memorable as the first game. I really hope it's not just the same world as before, as we have explored it to the nth degree. Fingers crossed that it's unique enough to stand out on it's own. Thanks so much for analysing BOTW Blue and Red, I hope you enjoyed your time with it as much as I have. (Also Twilight Princess is the best, wuv u Red) This has been my TedTalk
Breath of the Wild isn't likely to be the last game in the timeline. The reason that came about is it's a result of a localization error; in the English version of the game, Zelda says that Ganon has "given up on reincarnation and assumed his pure, enraged form". But that's the exact opposite of what it says in Japanese, where Zelda says that Ganon's _refusal_ to give up on reincarnation is what caused him to take on the giant pig beast form. He has no intention of ceasing to reincarnate, ever. Also it's got a story sequel anyway which you guys do mention, and who even knows where that's gonna go. Really hoping that mummy that looks like Ganondorf is Ganondorf. Also, I'm pretty sure crashing the Sky Keep onto the Imprisoned effectively killed Demise; that's why Ghirahim had to go back to the past to get a version of Demise that wasn't dead, so there isn't any Sealed Evil in a Can under the Forgotten Temple, just a corpse and a stone pillar. All in all, fantastic video, I too am hyped for BotW, I love Zelda so bleedin' much and I'm about to plan another run of the game before the sequel comes out thanks to this. Keep rockin', you guys.
Eh, demise is an immortal deity the same as the rest. They permanently managed to seal his physical manifestation, but he's still "Alive". Just forced to act through avatars same as Hylia choose to be Zelda.
See even from the English version, I only got the impression he was giving up on it THEN, so that he could confront them right now when he knows he isn't fully prepared yet. Because it isn't as though that's a cycle he can stop on his own.
@@BJGvideos i had similar thoughts. The impression to me was that Ganon was either trying to reform his physical body as Ganondorf or force a new rebirth to continue the cycle after getting trapped in the basement, but Link had pissed him off so he fell back on his usual method of turning into the giant pig boar.
I like to think the Zonai were the ancestors of the humans in Skyward Sword, before the land was raised into the sky by Hylia to save them from the demons. When they came back down, they founded Hyrule, and the Sheikah used the preexisting mazes for easy Shrine Trials (I like to further theorize they got the idea by finding the mazes and using them as trials, a sort of “why don’t we make more of these?” process) I have absolutely no evidence to back this theory up but it fits together nicely in my head
@@The-Grey-Area Actually they are Humans. there's two types of the word human in zelda. "Human" as in the human race which encompasses gerudo, sheikah, Hylians, etc. and then there's "human" meaning round-eared folks.
Looking at the architecture this is unlikely. the owl/boar/dragon motifs show that this is *after* skyward sword as that is when the zelda/gannon/link motif was set. it could have been before but with zelda having the triforce of wisdom the owl parallel is very clear. on top of that gannon(dorf) is usually depicted as a boar.
@@MaokaitheEnt But don’t the three goddesses of the triforce predate even Hylia? That means the Zonai could have worshiped the premise (courage, power, and wisdom; Dragon, Boar, and Owl) long before the people went into the sky. Before the first mortal incarnations of the triforce. It would also explain why they worship them all equally, seeing as power wasn’t associated with evil yet, as well as why the boars are mostly broken, after Ganon arose in the shape of a boar, it became associated with a monster, but by that time the Zonai were long gone.
@@Red-in-Green but the boar motif is only there Because of ganon and his pig forms. I am now of the opinion that the Zonai came to be some time after Twilight Princess in that specific timeline. And the three golden goddesses aren't purely "Good" persay. As Ganondorf is the chosen of Din the same as most incarnations of Link are the chosen of Farore. And iconography of evil aspects of a religion are a thing that are present in real mythologies. This is me rambling a bunch of mostly unrelated points because I'm on phone and being cohesive is difficult.
Something else when it comes to "we use the symbols but we don't exactly know the significance with them" is with the Triforce emblem with the wings around it. The winged symbol existed in the era before Skyward Sword, but the Triforce part came after. You could see the winged symbol equate to Hylia herself, as she is always depicted with wings, but after that point, these wings have talons/bird feet and then the Triforce situated in the middle. Symbolizing a multitude of things including the Triforce bearers riding Loftwings, the Skyloft people riding Loftwings, the Triforce being brought down to the Surface in the hands of the Hylia statue, and more. I think that's incredible and like the Zelda's Lullaby motif, this symbol has survived thousands of years, whether people understand what Loftwings are at this point or not. OH, I just thought of something. There's a little girl (I'd have to go back and find out where exactly) who talks about having dreams of giant birds and flying around in the sky. So at the very least, *something* about the Loftwings and the Era of Sky has survived to the present day. I too, think the fact that we can talk about all these games and it strengthens the story, elements, world building, etc. is amazing and I'm so hyped for the sequel. There are so many parallels between Breath of the Wild and Skyward Sword that it's NUTS.
Thank you for talking about the Zonai. I saw “Zonai Core” in the latest trailer and I immediately got excited because of the way you described them in this video.
The owl in OOT is named Kaepora Gaebora. He's associated with Zelda and the royal family. In Skyward Sword Zelda's father is named Gaepora and has an owlish appearance. He's also the headmaster of the school and associated with wisdom in that way.
I've only ever played BOTW, so all of this makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW XD I've actually been to all of the ruins theyre talking about, mostly on accident, and I had always wondered what their point was and why they were there, so its fascinating that they actually have roots in the older games. Their entire ramble about exploration sums up everything I love about this game.
I wonder if BotW's Breach of Demise might be where the first Calamity Ganon emerged from. So not the actual place where demise first emerged, but having calamity do a similar thing and leave this rift behind it would certainly make sense to name it after the legend.
Same! I was high risk, so i went to stay with my brother who worked from home (Other family members I'd been living with still had to go in person) and he has a switch and breath of the wild. I'd played it before but hadn't finished it, and i spent the majority of quarantine finishing my old file and restarting the game and nearly finishing. Being able to have in game goals and purpose was the perfect distraction.
I like to think of the 3 Goddesses as the creators of the world and Hylia being their middleman between the people. They’re the Dons, Hylia is the Consigliere.
Legend of zelda has been the most influential game series I've had. When I was 8 years old, I was given 60 dollars for my birthday. I went to the local target and was intending on buying mario bros wii. But the game right next to it had a case of an elf man mirrored with a wolf. The title of that game was twilight princess. While I was hesitant on getting that game, my mom told me that game series was her favorite when she was younger. So it was then that I went to hell with it and I bought twilight princess. That game was one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had before that time in my life. Many people say that it's the darkest in the series. And while it does have its moments, I get the feeling of walking through an old renaissance painting. I replayed it at least 5 times. To this day I always get the latest games in the series and have loved every one of them
Apart from 30 minutes of ocarina of time when I was very young, and phantom hourglass (which I love but it doesn’t have any timeline impact really), Twilight Princess was my first major Zelda game and I LOVE it. I was young when I tried playing it the first few times (maybe 11 years old) so I would get stuck trying to find a way into the spring where Ilia and Epona are (just before they get kidnapped). Didn’t matter to me tho, I had a village to explore every inch of over and over :)
@Dqixsoss I got stuck on the delivering the Zora prince to kakariko. The damn carriage would get hit by a bomb it'd run of the road, starting all over again. Must have taken me like 6 months to figure out I gotta kill the bomb birds. I also got stuck on the water temple. I was less frustrated about that though because half of the game map wasn't locked off, unlike before you save the zora
@@jwilson544 my only wish for the story of the game is wtf happens with Zelda cuz she disappears healing kinda then her body reappears later? It’s nothing major but it’s just odd
Breath of the wild's age is my favorite thing. The fact there are entire civilizations that existed and just go straight up unexplained due to how old they are is insanely cool Or the fact there was apparently a whole high/magi tech civilization at one point, that is just barely around is also so amazing to think about
If you’re planning on examining more video games, I highly recommend taking a look at the Faro Plague from Horizon: Zero Dawn and how that it is probably one of the most terrifying apocalypses when you think about it.
All this considered, it makes the Master Sword both even more impressive, and it's limitations in game make much more sense! By the time breath of the wild rolls around, poor Fi has been through some absolute nonsense. That she's only started running out of juice after at least 20,000 years... Good grief
Some extra tragedy to that. It's implied part of the strength of the Master Sword is her adoration for her Master and, to a lesser degree, her creator. So, if you spin that on its head... it could mean she's so tired of the whole cycle that she is losing faith in Link *and* Hylia.
The whole cycle is an incredibly cruel thing for everyone involved Zelda usually gets a happy ending but has a lot of tragedy due to it (usually a dead family and a ruined kingdom). Link sometimes gets that happy ending with the same attached tragedy but often has nothing to live for post the age of 12-19 and ends up living a life of adventure that is ultimately pointless and will likely result in his death (see links awekaning where he likely died out at sea, or heros shade in TP who isnt allowed to have eternal rest and is plucked from the afterworld to fullfill a thierd mission for wich he again wont recieve any recognition). And Ganondorf is trapped as well, in an ironic twist of fate he trys to resist the gods so much jet only does so due to the lasting influence of Demise who may as well be just another god controlling his existence... (also Din might just play into that just for shits and giggles). Ganondorf doesnt even have a choice he is automstically forced into a position that makes him "The Villain" from the second he is born, everything in his life will ultimately lead to him eather becoming the bad guy and failing horribly or succeding and loosing his mind while transforming into a giant monster creature that might as well just be Demise... there is little left of Ganondorf in the Ganon we meet in games like "a link to the past" (or maybe it hits even worse and he is resigned to whatever horrible fate we saw him in in the botw sequel trailer). Ganondorf is just as much if not moreso a prisioner to the curse as Link and Zelda are...
@@vincentpey3929 Demise truly is one of the greatest demon lords I’ve ever seen. Able to craft a curse that harms everyone, the three involved, and the world around them.
@Vincent Pey this makes me wonder if Ganon didn't CHOOSE to be mummified to avoid the cycle of reincarnation. A Ganon trying to defy his fate of being the villain is fascinating.
@@templarw20 Depends on whether the feature is being used as intended. Explosions knocking things around is planned. I don't think they planned on Wind Bombing.
Kudos to MonolithSoft, Nintendo's masters of world design who came on to help with that for Breath of the Wild - while simultaneously handling their own Xenoblade 2. They're excellent at their craft and reportedly do it while being a really progressive company and not driving everyone working on their games into the ground!
Yes! The Hyrule of BoTW is so widely praised so you can imagine how excited I am to see a video dedicated to it. By my favorite primary colors no less!
one theory for what the 3. leviathan is supposed to be is that whale deity from phantom hourglass. it looks the most like a regular whale skeleton and that deity is basicaly just that
Man... I missed a lot of those details. I didn't even know about one of those civilizations. Makes the whole "Hyrule Warriors caused timelines to merge" theory make a lot more sense. Like... BotW is what happens after Discworld's history monks put everything back together...
@@luigiboi4244 Dunno. I'm not really into the youtube community around Zelda. And yeah, it's been debunked both officially and among fans, but it's still an interesting idea.
I’m genuinely super happy Red and Blue decided to go on a diatribe about Zelda, my favorite series, and then about all the connecting elements in BotW. This was a great watch and I hope they do more things like it in the future.
About Zelda’s lullaby: obviously the secret waterfall isn’t around anymore, but the Hylians and the Zora still had a working relationship to the point that the two kingdoms could collaborate. Maybe visiting the Zora has a procedure where the Hylian Royal family has to play the lullaby to let the Zora know who’s coming and that they mean no harm... tldr, I think its still used!
My favorite thing about the ranch ruins is that even though they're ruins, the fact that they're still there means it stuck around for **over ten thousand years**
I remember when looking at the ruins of BotW, I was reminded by how interesting and mysterious the Spirit Temple in OoT was. Also, there is technically a third leviathan/cetacious deity in the Zelda games: Oshus from Phantom Hourglass, so there's him to consider when looking at the Leviathans.
this video and Red's streams of this game single-handedly convinced me to one; get a Switch, and two; get BOTW never played a zelda game before, not even much of a gamer tbh was it worth it the money? well, I got to have the magical experience of Naydra flying _directly overhead_ as I wandered around the Lanayru Promenade so, the answer is yes. hell-freaking-yes.
So my basic takeaway here is that the Legend of Zelda, a perpetually Medieval-ish Fantasy World, has a timeline regarding these Kingdoms that is literally longer than the whole of Human Civilization as we think of it. That's kinda terrifying on multiple levels
On the topic of the inherent limitations of Zelda open world exploration I want to call attention to The Minish Cap game. This game used a very cool trick to make a limited size world, it was a GBA exclusive mind you, by letting you not just explore horizontally by making more world but also vertically. The Big gimmick was Link could shrink and grow to interact with the little fairy Minish creatures. So instead of "here is the map of Hyrule" you had "here is Hyrule but also basically a hidden shrunk down underworld" that interacted with the above world. Also there were these things called Kin stones that you could match up to just make things happen and change. So instead of a big world it went for a dynamic one.
every single time the little dolls in the armchair get me! They're super adorable but also I get this mental image of some Toy Story meets portrait of Dorain Gray stuff where your dolls absorb the inane arguments you bottle up and come alive every few weeks to hash out minutiae from various media franchises. And then somewhere, off in the shadows, the Indigo dolls watches and waits and also edits.
Before you fight him in Skyward Sword, demise mentions having waited for eons, plural to return. This monologue happens in the past, so that’s thousands of years before the game. That puts Demise being sealed away for the first time at LEAST 2.01 million years before skyward sword, and who knows how long before breath of the wild.
I appreciate how there are references to all the previous Zelda titles in BoTW, but each of those stories exist in that world the same way ancient myths exist in ours. Making the game simultaneously existing in all timelines, yet independent from each, is the most efficient way to acknowledge its predecessors without being weighed down by their continuity.
I love that Breath of the Wild is so old and has such different and varied world building. I would love if you could do a video on the world building of Fire Emblem Three Houses.
"There's some evil in the basement, not sure where it came from." A quote from Red that aged like wine. 36:08
Couldn’t be a more correct comment if anyone tried.
Between that and "The Zonai... There might be a Ganon connection there" I'm starting to think Red is just prescient
@@vocalvortexstudios2058sufficiently high media literacy becomes indistinguishable from precognition
Why didn't you bring your kitesail?
Reds comments about how if you've never played the previous games is like being Link with full amnesia vs longtime players being like him getting weird time-flashbacks was my favorite takeaway from this!
Think about how many times he's rolled into a wall or solid rocks - that's gotta make someone an amnesiac!
BOTW was the first game I played, but I knew things about other games, so it was an interesting experience for me.
These miniature Red and Blue puppets are *adorable*.
Can we use this comment as a petition for those puppets to be made as merch someday?
@@puddin1493MERCH MERCH MERCH MERCH
Plot twist Cleo is the puppet master.
I shall add my vote to this. Mini Red and Blue keychains or enamel pins ?
I would buy these
"They gave you a Hyrule worth fighting for."
Is now a quote that will always stick with me.
WHAT DO WE WANT? A HYRULE WORTH FIGHTING FOR!
@@SYKRAL1
WHAT DO WE WANT?! A HYRULE WORTH FIGHTING-
*Calamity Ganon and the Yiga Clan proceed to horribly massacre a whole village.*
This quote goes hard
Time?
@@williambeck2372 😆
Daruk: So, what’s-
Urbosa: Statue’s cursed.
Daruk: Wh-What?
Urbosa, grabbing the Boulder Breaker: Statue’s cursed.
*vicious nodding from link*
**pulls Daruk to the statue and points to it** “Eat that.”
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no RUclipsr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear öuna
@@AxxLAfriku are you a bot?
@@laraschroeder5195 probably
As a person who had a cave painting hyperfixation a few months ago, this game perfectly captures what I love about paleolithic art. There’s this sense of endless mystery because _nobody_ knows what happened at this point in the timeline any more, and every hint is so rich with lost knowledge and cultural significance that the emotion poured into each piece of stone and swirl of paint is _palpable,_ and somehow they created this vast, cosmic sense of longing within a _video game_
**meanwhile in Australia** Aborigines: wait, you guys just _forgot_ what your art means?
Neolithic monuments are super fun
YES! Like looking at the carvings in the Forgotten Temple, you can actually feel the insane amount of time that has passed. Actually, it was looking at all the ancient stuff in BOTW that made me start to think that it’s entirely possible that there was an extremely advanced civilization living on earth millions of years ago. They die out, everything they created eventually returns to the earth with enough time, and we would never even know they existed. Now, I find it to be the absolute height of human ego to believe we were the only advanced civilization that only came about relatively recently and won’t even consider the alternative. Really, who even knows how many times civilization had to completely reset. I’m not saying it’s 100% true but I AM saying it’s entirely possible. Our knowledge of history gets unstable only after a few tens of thousands of years in the past. Consider 10 million years, 100, 500, ya know?
The fun part is, Skyward sword may be the first game in the Leg of Zeg timeline, but it's by no means the *beginning!* The world that'll later be known as Hyrule is *already old* and full of ruins by the time Skyward Sword takes place. Y'know, just to give a reference for how incomprehensibly long this entire timeline is.
Wonder how long it'll be before Nintendo buys Fromsoftware just so they can tie Dark Souls into the Lingle of Zingle timeline.
True, but it's the first reincarnation of Link. So there wouldn't be much game space before then unless they wanted to swap to actually having Zelda be the protagonist since she is implied to be able to reincarnate backward in time since there is at one point 2 of her reincarnations existing at once.
@@strifera or, we get shown something we were only vaguely shown before for a more grity LoZ, his first life. We get shown the gifting and forging of the master sword, we get to see Zelda as truly Hylia, and all that fun jazz.
@@w.mccartney431 I don't think you could do a Hylia's Chosen Hero game. People would accuse Nintendo of ripping off Elder Scrolls with the starting in prison bit and I can't imagine Hylia's Chosen Hero not talking.
Admittedly, it might be worth it just to see people flip out at the game starting with Link trying to refuse to save Hyrule and ending with him dying.
@@strifera well, link talks, even if he has no voiced lines, as shown in almost all 3d Zelda’s at least. And would it really be a ripping off of the elder scrolls, especially if we start even *before* he gets thrown in prison for years? It would all be really interesting to see where it truly all started.
I love the idea that there might have been a point or points in Hyrule's history where "There'll be a kid along any moment now to fix all this" was common knowledge, and parents who had a precocious, oddly athletic kid with blond hair might have been getting excited at some point that their kid was gonna be someone special.
Follow that along to this next point where parents are actively seeking mates who might give them a blond haired kid and their dads encouraged them to wear green tunics, and learn to fight, in the chances that they might be needed.
I mean... you don't have to speculate. You see it in Wind Waker *and* Spirit Tracks. In WW, Link is encouraged to wear the tunic for a day, but it used to be a whole ass initiation where they had to go to sea and adventure. In Spirit Tracks, guards at the castle wear green tunics.
@@alchemysaga3745 Never played Spirit Tracks, and the whole initiation thing from Wind Waker is what prompted the comment.
Isn't that basically Linka's story?
Consider too that it might be the opposite though. Parents terrified their child will have that burden placed upon them. The hero doesn't always win after all.
HAHAHAHA in that case then the number of blonde babies named Link must be a lot lmaooo
BotW really feels like someone dropped a magic nuke directly on Hyrule Castle and honestly it’s impressive how well constructed the world is. All the people are pressed into the edges of the world, and the center is just full of malice and guardians.
Post-Apocalypse like Syria
Legend of Zelda: goddess reincarnation
Honestly, I enjoy just exploring the world. Screw Gannon, I'm off to get lost somewhere!
Ya. The people have been pushed so far. You can tell how stressed they are for safety the way they wander around defenseless in the overworld, how there are safe trade routes, how there are just undefended people scattered around the world doing random, personal things, and how all but the biggest of the villages have ANY security at all.
And the landscape? Oh ya. Feels like a grand total of nothing. Like, not even that a devastating thing happened. like literally nothing exists, or has existed ever, except for two landmarks that are AMAZINGLY intact for being forgotten and supposedly under siege for so long.
The world isn't "well constructed." It's just big with a handful of references scattered around. Seriously. What is stopping the Gorons, Zora, and Ruto from coming down into Hyrule Field, ending the threats in the main field, keep a presence around for Blood Moons, avoid the denser Guardian areas, and begin rebuilding? The Divine Beasts? Those things that are doing nothing but being mildly annoying? Heck. The Zora Divine Beast is just making the Zora wet with rain. Oh no! The FISH people are getting WET! Whatever shall they do!?
The world is huge, but the worldbuilding is terrible.
@@Nickle_King Yeah, because the last time they tried to fight a Guardian invasion things went SO well.
The ONLY reason the condition of the land isn't still fully as bad as 100 years before is because Zelda has been working overtime to KEEP it that way. The second she tired out (which, in-universe time probably equates to... a few weeks? Tops?), there was literally nothing that was going to stand in the way of the coming devastation.
And it's pretty safe to surmise that the reason the places are largely undefended is due to... all the warriors either busy doing work or being dead. Funny thing about a devastation like what happened 100 years before: if the majority of soldiers/warriors/combat-trainers are DEAD then they can't TEACH the next generation or two! Seriously, how are they going to rebuild the forces needed to handle such a massive undertaking?
Not to mention, there is NO reason to suppose that if they play with the wasp's nest (ie: a monster-extermination campaign) that it wouldn't trigger a massive assault of monsters to converge on them and eradicate them. Heck, there's no reason to suspect they DIDN'T already try that and that is also why they have so few warriors left.
At this point, most likely they survive largely in thanks to staying mostly close to home and only dealing with the monsters that happen to wander too close.
And, really? A racist joke about fish people and water? Yeah, that pretty well shows your actual interest in worldbuilding. They straight up acknowledge that they have more needs than just "lots of water" in their lives and the constant heavy downpour is a major detriment to them. They NEED sunlight, they WANT to interact and trade with other peoples, they WANT to live in a home that isn't just a constant gloomy torrent. There are many activities that are either harder or at least less enjoyable in the rain, even for Zora, who have been shown to spend TONS, if not most, of their time out of the water. Not to mention, the things they need to survive (aka: food) ALSO have needs, and one of those is... wait for it... SUNLIGHT! Sure, they have obviously survived that long, but surviving is NOT the same as actually living. It's actually very impressive they are in as good condition overall.
Really, can you guess (or know, if you are a biology/social expert as well as master game critic) what happens when a massive cloud system sits between a land and the sun for an extremely long span of time with NO breaks? And not just a few days or weeks but for 100 YEARS? ONE HUNDRED YEARS WITH NO SUN and a constant, never-ending downpour over your entire land.
A friend pointed out about Skyward Sword: this is the start of the timeline, the origin of all this, maybe we get to learn where all these ancient temple-dungeons and magic swords came from... And the answer is, the temples were already there and the magic sword was made from a different, pre-existing and equally unexplained magic sword.
It's more like, Skyward Sword is the Age of Legends - all of the legends and stories we see in the later games get their explicit start there. But even before that is the Age of Myth, when literal gods and the actual embodiments of good and evil not only existed as flesh and blood entities, but *actively fought each other directly then,* rather than through lesser, mortal proxies that gave up their divinity and immortality, so that, even if they are struck down, they may forever reincarnate to continue the fight until the end of all time.
@@tonberryking42 And the world just keeps winding down until all magic is gone. Tolkien would approve.
Skyward Sword starts by a retelling of a mythical war from god knows how long ago that resulted in the current state of the world and that was in itself a follow up to an era of peace of an equally unknown length (during which the tech to develop freaking robots was common place) that is in itself what happen after the age of creation.
Skyward Sword doesn't even try to hide that it takes place millenia after a lot of relevant events that never showed up in any game beyond backstory.
The Goddess Sword was literally the Goddess Hylia’s sword.
To reiterate what I said elsewhere: Skyward sword represents the *end* of Hyrule's history. We know things happened before, but they were different things. After Skyward Sword? The same cycle, repeating, over and over again with the most trivial of variation. Hyrule will never change, never progress, because it is over, bound into a loop by providence.
A thing that really haunts me about Hyrule is that like, in just 10000 years we got the whole of human civilization irl. We got the evolution of culture, religion, economics and politics, that led to past societies being wildly different from today's world. Yet in Hyrule, society has existed for a significantly longer time, yet so many things stay the same. It's like the world is forbidden from changing too much. Anything that is highly advanced ends up being forgotten, Hyrule has been governed by a royal family for who knows how long, and so on
I mean, if Ganon/Demise revive every other century he is bound to win some of the times, wich mean civilizzation reset long before 10000 years pass
@@noukan42 yes, I know that good usually destroys evil but you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet
yeah thats a trop in fantasy worldbuilding that i really hate. it feels like a lot of writers dont really relise how long 10000 or just 1000 years really are
@@OfflineLukas Thank you! It’s the same with tech/magic regressing. That’s not how this works! (LotR gets an exception because themes).
I mean, think of what humans did for the 100,000 years before that though. Pretty much the same thing, with people being either semi-settled or purely nomadic.
My point is that the notion that time is a linear curve towards technological progress is flawed. Things tend to stay the same more than they change.
Also also, you have to consider how magic would logically impact a world. If a wizard can move boulders, or you can craft a magic potion that improves strength, then why would you invent a crane?
I love that demise is just underneath the forgotten temple after all this time. Like it's basically a great old one just waiting to be unsealed and I love that.
More than that I like just how buried Skyloft and it’s culture is under the ages.
The only remainder of the time of the skies is the buried temple that felled The Imprisoned.
Maybe this is the setting of the original BOTW2 trailer
Eh, not buried. Link Prime specifically wished on the Tri-Force for Demise to be killed.
@@nomore6258 yeah, which is why ganon is an incarnation of him. you can't have an incarnation while the original is still around. that would suck. imagine ganon and demise buddy buddy destroying the world.
The Legend of Zelda: the unfortunate mining location
The darkest thing about Zelda is that 3 people have essentially been trapped throughout time destined and cursed to fight each other forever and everyone else gets caught up in it every time.
To be fair, they get out of it in the Adult Timeline using phenomenal cosmic power. So it wouldn't be permanent if they'd just remember they can just do that one of the times when they get the Triforce in the other timelines. Demise's curse has jack on the Three Goddesses.
No the darkest thing is that those 3 are all superhuman badasses,
meanwhile there's a tree, a fish and a bugsalesperson who somehow got themself stuck reincarnating as well, and one of them is very much a regular person.
@@strifera remind me again, the Adylt Timeline is the Dark Tineline in Ocarina where Ganon has conquered Hyrule, Right? Because if that’s the case Ganondorf was less defeated there than the others. He got sealed in the Sacred Realm (which didn’t stick) he got out and caused problems with the Twili and upon being killed he says that he’s still going to come back. Which honestly I think people keep forgetting about. Because just like Link and Zelda, Ganondorf can technically reincarnate too thank you the curse of Demise (the incarnation of my hatred will follow you for all time) he just hasn’t needed to. In every timeline he’s been killed yet he’s still returned in BotW and was sealed away for his troubles because people probably were finally figuring out “Theirs no possible way he can permanently kill Ganon, so let’s just lock him away forever”
@@Justic_ It has also tickled me that the entries in the "Adult" timeline tend to be the more childish looking games like Wind Waker, while the entries in the "Child" timeline tend to be the more darker and mature games like Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. I know that's because they branch off from the future and present portions of Ocarina's split time periods, but the juxtaposition has always amused me.
@@fist-of-doom487 You're confused. Ganon conquers Hyrule in the Adult and Failure Timelines. He is sealed in the Sacred Realm in the Failure Timeline. He causes problems with the Twili in the Child Timeline.
In the Adult Timeline he is eventually killed while simultaneously being *magicked by a wish on the Triforce* to be washed away with Hyrule to never bother anyone again. Then they pack up and resettle on a new continent with nary a Ganon in sight.
Demise's curse doesn't trump the Triforce. That'd be insane.
I can say without a hint of sarcasm that Red adoring Twilight Princess and trying to shoehorn the Twilight realm in as many places as she can brings me so much joy. Twilight Princess was such an influential game on my writing and art style, and I found it more enjoyable than just about any other Zelda game, before or since. Keep cheering on the Twilight Era, Red!
Agreed. No other LoZ companion will ever top the sassy gremlin that is Midna.
Twilight realm is my single favorite piece of Zelda lore, followed by the Fierce deity mask
So fun fact, the eighth heroine statue is still attached to the cliff in the Gerudo highlands. It was carved there. So it was probably the other seven heroines who were moved. All seven of them. Over the mountains.
I feel bad for the backs of everyone who had to move those massive things. XD
@@AegixDrakan They suffered for their art. It's what they wanted.
Dominion rod.
@@strifera The statues walked. Very Easter Island.
Damn...
Their backs...
18:41 "imagine a place that's so old that the sun has not seen it in 10000 years"
Me looking to The Depths in TOTK nervously:
The Depths: "10,000? Those are rookie numbers"
I’ve said it for a while but Breath of the Wild feels like what happens when Studio Ghibli makes a Fallout game.
Thank you Red for making me feel reassured in that.
Never seen Nausicaa ehh?
@@blacksage2375 I was thinking the same thing. Ghibli’s always had anti-war/imperialism, pro-environmentalism in sooo many of their films
They also had a massive influence on Magic Pengel-the PS2 game’s made in the ghibli artstyle, it has those same Grand Themes ghibli has in most of their Plottier vs Childhood/coming of age films, and the epilogue was actually animated by them
Haha that’s such a great way of putting it. I’ve always wanted a Zelda movie made by Ghibli, that’d be fantastic
Omg yes if we ever get a Zelda movie Nintendo needs to hire ghibli to make it
So, talking about Zelda's Lullaby being written Around the Tri force Symbol, there was actually a news story about a decade or so ago about some people rediscovered some music that had been carved around the edge of carved wooden portraits mounted in roundels from old sottish castles
Honestly the guardians feel (to me at least) a lot like nukes from a fallen civilization. Like they realized "oh shit these are dangerous we better bury them so no one uses em" and then 10,000 years later the Hylians dig them up and don't realize what they're really dealing with.
I mean, if zelda had figured out how to install Hylia's divine antivirus, they would've been handy.
@@danieljames1868
I’ll always say that 1) pulling Zelda off the Project and 2) forcing her to start her spirit maiden training too early and as a literal toddler vs waiting until she had her own life experiences were THE WORST things His Royal Fuckup could’ve done-Hylia’s just as (if not more) associated with TECHNOLOGY than spiritualism
…that and the cultural genocide the sheikah experienced. Losing your culture&technology is NEVER a good thing and hyrule deserved to get its ass bit HARD as a direct-but-delayed result
-if Zelda wasn’t forced off she’d have found the Flaw (she literally had the most success with figuring that technology out-and well, still part of her divine heritage, too)
-if the Sheikah weren’t forced to lose their technology they would’ve known how to use it (and again, either known the flaw or found the flaw and therefore could’ve tried patching it)
@@anonymousfellow8879, and if the shiekah never buried their tech, the Yiga wouldn't exist either. The only reason they defected to Ganon was because they felt betrayed by the royal family
@@anonymousfellow8879 I thought the "Flaw" in the guardians was just that they were really effective weapons that Ganon possessed. No antivirus software is gonna protect your computer from angry demons.
@@bluelfsuma
Except Sheikah Tech (and tech in Zelda period) has always been magitech/somewhat soul-ish related…otherwise the Malice wouldn’t be able to take over.
Even IF the Sheikah and Zelda really couldn’t patch it, they could’ve started doing a better job of dismantling the technology than simply “burying it in the ground like a 1950s chemical plant”-it’s still in good enough shape that the Malice could still make it run (as seen by Calamity Ganon trying to use Guardian Parts to construct a body in its eggsack)
There’s also how all the enemies brought back by the Blood Moon are ORGANIC-ie, they have souls. And the Malice is essentially a soul-ichor used to enthrall with Demise’s Will
The terrifying idea of the hole in the peak is that it’s not an errant shot, but a deflected one.
So, consider, that not only could it carve through a mountain, but that **that wasn’t enough firepower**
Secondary idea; it was a warning shot.
They didn’t miss. That was a threat/promise.
Or that there used to be 5 guardian beasts and that's a site where one failed and exploded.
Maybe it was their bikini atoll. You need to test fire your super weapons a few times.
@@DeadMech1 But you know how many people got poisoned by the Castle Bravo disaster vs how many people got anihilated by magic nuke laser? Red alikens BotW to Gihbli. If BotW were Gihbli, then a lot more people would have been anihilated by nuke lasers.
@@bman21000 that's an odd shape for an explosion
Hyrule being a time abyss is lowkey one of my favorite pieces of lore and worldbuilding in anything ever, so seeing this makes me VERY happy
(Counts on hands)
…okay so Link to the Past uses the Triforce to reset events, OoT Zelda does the same thing with her “Sage Powers”, Termina may or may not be part of the same reality as Hyrule, Link did A LOT of Time Travel Fuckery in Oracle of Ages (which has a literal oracle with time powers who has visited the past At Least Once before Veran), arguably Din and Onox and Link physically messed with Spacetime by manipulating the seasons around and cause the planet to wobble (there’s plenty of volcanism), Skyward Sword!Link keeps whacking timeshift stones (and nevermind the Gates of Time)…
Yeah. Time abyss checks out. -faaaar more than those so-called “timelines” do that don’t even match up with Games’ Lore well at all half the time. And like. Every Time Shenanigan should do similar splits, which OoT Zelda really only split twice; “Fallen” only exists as a really shitty Word of God. By all rights MC, FS, and FSA should all exist POST ST with Sunken Hyrule drained…but the Master Sword is now Lost-
15:20 "I guess that means link gets to be the dragon?" Red's future sight hit just a smidge to the left
The Temple of Time's design is *such* good environmental design. You have the jomon-style robot Guardians lying defunct around this Gothic style cathedral, the whole eastern wall blown out (which is the direction you're advised to go first), and framed in the front doorway is Hyrule Castle, your end destination.
When I first got the game and got an actual look at the Temple I genuinely gasped.
Something to note: The three regions Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru, along with the three dragons Farosh, Dinrael, and Naydra, are named after the three Triforce goddesses / Golden Goddesses Farore, Din, and Nayru. It's interesting to see the region names, which exist in their current form even as far back as Skyward Sword, so far outlive the legends of the goddesses that they were named for, to the point where they aren't named or referred to at any point even in the prehistory of Breath of the Wild.
Same with modern place names. What did Danube originally mean? What did Iberia originally mean? What did Knossos originally mean? Who knows?
@fredericksmith7942 wait do we actually not know?
dragon skeletons tend to stay together, it's basically chemistry.
For their bones to be strong enough to hold such a large creature, they require reinforcement, like rebar in concrete, and like rebar, this reinforcement, a mesh on the the cellular level, is made of iron. The extreme heats generated by their combustion/breath magnetize the iron slightly each time, and thus as they cool after a blaze they magnetize, and fail to fully separate at the decomposition of the tendons.
You can probably poke holes in it but it's my headcanon and you can use it too if you want
Wouldnt heat demagnetize iron? Like forging a blade
@@FISHYFILMPRODUCTIONS yes
@@FISHYFILMPRODUCTIONS It totally could, but that's dependent on two factors: maximum heat achieved and rated of cooling. So while you *may* be correct, to confirm your suspicions we need to know the average specific heat of a dragon, and the specific heat of dragonflame. Do you know how to get data on those?
@@liamomalley5779 Well it’s a made up animal so… make it up?
@@liamomalley5779 This may not be relavent to all worlds, but the DnD Ancient Red Dragon's fire breath does 91 (or 26d6) fire damage, or assuming you're extremely quick to react (DC 24 Dex save, the average person wouldn't make that) half. A commoner NPC in DnD has 4 HP. So, an Ancient Red Dragon's fire breath is hot enough to basically cremate the average person 1.5-39x over. I'm not an expert on heat, but I'd think that's pretty hot.
I love the worldbuilding in this game. It truly is a love letter to the entire series in every part of Hyrule. As someone who studied Zelda history as a hobby, it is so much fun to know the staying power of these games.
One little detail that could be noted is in Lurelin Village, that tropical place by the sea. There's a side quest where you must assemble a strange mirror that can apparently breach dimensions. And that Mirror looks so much like the Mirror of Twilight in Twilight Princess!
Man, I love that continuity!
Well...if you're talking about the thing in the Fragmented Monument side quest, it's not actually stated to be a mirror, nor is it said to be a bridge between dimensions. All that is said about it is that it has a clue as to how one can unlock the shrine. It does look a bit like the Mirror of Twilight, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they were trying to evoke it with the appearance of the monument, but aside from a passing physical resemblance, the connection is tenuous.
@@guardingdark2860 the text on the monument is also written in the zonai text, making it a zonai artifact. which makes the connection to the mirror of twilight even more dubious
The name itself also sounds like an anagram for Lorule, which Also had breached-dimensions shenanigans as a core feature going on for LBW
@@infiniteedge4427 Unless, of course, the Zonai are the Twili, or analogous to them.
That hand holding Ganon down and those runes look very familiar, is all I'm saying.
I just love how perfect Breath of the Wild absolutely nails it's post-apocalyptic, ancient worldbuilding. There's enough information and clues across the game to be unsettling and unknown and it's amazing
20:30 I feel like the reason people don’t like giant skeletons in Zelda is because of their nasty habit of coming alive and trying to kill you
Also I’m gonna add that Link in Twilight Princess is probably one of the physically strongest Links out there, with no physical help like bracelets or anything. He’s straight-up strong enough to GRAB AND THROW a Goron who’s like 5x his size and wearing heavy metal armor, with only a little help making him heavier so it can’t just blow him away. He directly overpowers Ganon who is strong enough to break shackles and has the Triforce of Power (which is implied to make him physically powered up.) It’s hilarious to think about him just being this ridiculously strong farm boy who genuinely has no idea what’s happening.
I know it's a small thing, but I have to point out that the eighth heroine was most likely not moved : she and her sword seem to be made from the rock of the highlands, so it's probable she was just... made there.
My thoughts are that since Lynels are extremely territorial, to the point of TELEPORTING when they stray too far from their hunting grounds, the lynel might have set up shop before the sword could be completely carve out and the gerudo decided to not finish the eighth heroine.
@@squidbro6635 I imagine a massive superpredator moving in would damper the ol' creative spirit a bit, yeah.
Well, as some others have pointed out, the statues are made of different rocks, the 7 desert heroines are yellow sandstone, like what's found in the desert, where as Number 8 is the same red sandstone of her mountain home, which implies that she was for some reason separated from her sisters, some people have theorized this is because she may have sided with Ganandorf while her sisters sided with Link and Zelda, so when she and Ganandorf defeated she was banished to the highlands, and now you may be wondering who would worship a banished heroine? The same people that worship Ganandorf and are from the highlands and the desert. The Yiga Clan. I think they carved the eighth statue to represent the eighth sister, the sister they worship, and the sword was meant to be carved of a separate rock, perhaps carved from the very peak of the mountain, since a mighty warrior would need an equally mighty sword, but the Lynel moved in before it could be completed, as others here have suggested, which is why it's left where it is at the peak!
Rewatching this now that we have TotK REALLY makes me want a sequel to this
Right??
Your wish has been granted
Hearing Zeltik mentioned on OSP feels so surreal- it's a crossover I never hoped would happen!
Agree
I am thrilled Zeltik was mentioned. He’s my favorite Zeltatuber, and OSP is so much fun.
Zeltik’s easily my favorite zelda-only zeldatuber, and aside from how well-made his videos are and how great his voice is for voiceover…I don’t have to worry about getting bombarded by sexism in his videos.
Case in point: the gerudo? He consistently describes them as “strapping” …while others would repeatedly say Ass-ets (and drop Zelda’s Butt in repeatedly.)
-tho I do wish he’d finish out his Strongest Holders. He did Link and Ganon but…Zelda WHEN?! Sure BigNin insists on sidelining and damseling her, but she’s still had moments of cleverness and raw magical prowess. Do my girl a solid!!-
@@anonymousfellow8879 I was just watching those videos ! Would love to see a third installment to close them off, and I fully agree with your comment.
AAAAAAND Brian David Gilbert, this is feeling like Infinity War
I remember finding the Lost Woods in Breath of the Wild for the first time and nearly crying when the pattern to navigate it was the same (it was knee-jerk the first instinct I had). Figuring out the Lost Woods and then finding the Forest Temple even deeper later on was such a monumental piece of my childhood that the BotW Lost Woods felt like coming home to a place I'd long since accepted I would never set foot in again.
That is so heartfilling to hear!!
Wait hold on where is the Forest Temple in the Lost Woods????
@@bretlanier2304 The Forest Temple in Ocarina of Time, I mean. There's no Forest Temple in BotW; the closest equivalent in the later game would be trial of the Master Sword.
I like the whole missing statue thing a lot, because there IS precedent in Zelda of statues coming to life and walking around. There's even precent of Link being the one controlling them.
Over a year old and I'm coming back after Tears released, I know they're gassed over all the new lore drops. Can't wait for a detailed diatribe on Tears
literal lore DROPS
Soon!!!
Lon Lon Ranch - I still think one of the moments that will stick with me the most from BOTW was finding the destroyed ranch grounds and being hit by that sadness and getting a feel for just what the Calamity did
Yup! I had just started the game and was randomly exploring because I didn’t know anything. Stumbled there on accident and was shocked then smiled like I saw an old friend.
"Look for stuff. You'll find it."
Weirdly powerful line.
The wonderful and dragon-filled world of Hyrule.
15:00
It's almost insane the timescale that breath of the wild is able to actually convey. You guys make a good point that we only mostly know what happened at like the 3000 year mark even then there are entire civilizations we can only theorize about like the Sea Peoples or the Minoans hell even the way of life of the Phoenicians and Carthage are unknown in some cases. The fact that Hyrule has a kinda discernible history beyond like 10,000 is beyond belief. Yet they make it so when other media just can't.
So what I'm learning from the first five minutes is that Breath of the Wild is a love letter to Zelda inside another Zelda. I love it. I mean, I already loved it, but now I love it even more.
When I saw the first giant skeleton, my first action was to check the time, because I did NOT want to think about Stalwhale fights until I was WAY kitted out.
I found the Eldin one before I even got the quest so I had no idea giant skeletons were around. And since I had just finished Skyward Sword before playing BOTW, I immediately knew it was Levias from the armor plate and man, not many games truly pull that level of sadness from me, l basically found a friends remains. Then I find the Wind Fish in the desert and MAN that game is dark and bleak 😂
As a person who fell down a Zeltik Theory hole a little while ago, seeing you guys summarize all of the really cool landmarks and theories that come with them is amazing. I've been listening to the videos for so long that I was kind of desensitized to the actual timescale between games and their iconic landmarks, and this vid is a serious eye opener. And the fact that we barely know about the things we know like the leviathans and the zonai, what the hell is still hidden in Hyrule? It's so grounding and so amazing how it feels like a real world with realistic progression of history and how that history is whittled down over maybe millions of years!
13:04 - "And it's always full of blonde children for some reason! Always at the center of it!" Does anybody else remember, _way_ back in the day, when Link had brown hair and Zelda, Peach, and Samus were redheads?
Remember when Link had PINK hair?
@BJGvideos that part of Link to the Past still confuses me
@@BJGvideos Congratulations, Link can now have PINK hair once again!!!
@@EnchWraits Awesome.
When playing the game, there were two potential great stories that the backstory opened up: that time that the heroes kicked Ganon's butt so hard that he went dormant for ten thousand years; and that time that the heroes kicked Ganon's butt so hard that he was unable to regenerate in a fully corporeal form.
Now I just want to see ice climbers and Rito react to Vah Ruta missing her shot and blasting a hole in a mountain hundreds of miles away.
To quote someone else in this comment section, the much more unsettling idea is that it wasn't a missed shot but a *deflected* shot, which means that even with the ability to match a Warlord Titan from 40k, they couldn't put down Ganon down without one hell of a fight
@@magoshighlands4074 Holy mother of pearl that’s amazing 0_0
I always wondered what the reason was for why Ganon couldn’t reincarnate into a normal human anymore, he did it just fine for like 100,000 years. Is that really the reason, because the heroes whooped his ass? If so that is a tiny bit disappointing
27:15 ... That... Actually has some precedent. The baby Zoras from Majora's Mask are born knowing the New Wave Bossanova, which is a song their grandmother lulu sang to their mother... Another Lulu.
After playing Tears of the Kingdom, the Zonai talk in this is makes it *that much* cooler.
Never thought about how the three totemic animals of the Zonai could be representative of the three Triforce pieces: Boar=Power, Owl=Wisdom, Courage=Dragon
Also, to confirm Reds suspicion, I believe it was stated previously BotW was heavily inspired by Ghibli. I mean, look at one of the earliest trailers we got. It screams Princess Mononoke.
Ok, seriously, we need a Ghibli Zelda movie stat
Not a zelda title but. You guys’ll like Magic Pengel and the Quest for Color
It’s basically “what happens when Ghibli makes a videogame.” Same themes as many of their films, heavy design influence for the graphics, and yes, yes they did animate the final cutscene in 2D vs the game’s usual 3D
I mean look at Satori. It’s most definitely a Ghibli reference
I think it's interesting that in past Zelda games, whenever a timescale between games was implied or directly stated, it wasn't all that long (1000 years / ~40 generations for Ocarina of Time -> Wind Waker, or 100 years / 4 generations for Wind Waker -> Spirit Tracks, or ~150 years / 6 generations for Link to the Past -> Link Between Worlds). It usually ranged from about 75 years minimum (between Link's Awakening and the Oracle games; the Oracle games and Link Between Worlds) to 1000 years maximum (Ocarina of Time to Wind Waker). The timeline, while spanning multiple millennia, was relatively compact, only spanning about 3,000 years or so between the "first" game and the "last" game chronologically. Then Breath of the Wild busts in with a whopping TEN THOUSAND year time gap to an event that happened *god knows how long after* the previous games. It's honestly insane how incomprehensibly old Breath of the Wild made Hyrule. The timescale went from somewhat understandable (a few thousand years) to older than AGRICULTURE (more than 13K years). I absolutely love it, honestly.
Hyrule in Breath of the Wild looks absolutely incredible. The mountains, forests and rivers look quite stunning.
For perspective, the battle that happened between the technology advanced hyrule and ganon was the latest before the great calamity
And it was ten thousand years ago
Agriculture was invented eight thousand years ago in our world
Yes
Hyrule is so incredibly ancient
The discussion of fake hieroglyphs gives me life: I am literally watching this as I'm writing about some falsified Aramaic inscriptions.
Would love to hear about your research
Tell us more, please.
@@TheOneHoddToward I'm publishing a description of a couple of second century busts from the near eastern city of Palmyra. As part of the local funeral custom, people were interred in wall sconces (loculi) covered with busts of those buried inside which were often inscribed with formulaic inscriptions (Name / [son of] name / [son of] name / Alas!). These busts were looted in abundance in the 1920's, and many that lacked inscriptions had them added for 'marketability'. In any event, one of the busts I'm studying has an inscription where a lot of the letters are either Arabic or scribbles, not at all Palmyrene Aramaic.
It could VERY charitably be read as "Shalmat / Son of 'a / alas ([HB]L)", but Shalmat is a feminine name, 'a is NOT a name, the lamed (L) in "Shalmat" and "HBL" are different, and the shin (SH) in Shalmat is CLEARLY Arabic.
All in all, It's very weird.
👀
Now I’m just curious,
what’s your views on the zonai language and how would you go about it to “read” it if you were task to do that?
One of my favorite theories about BOTW is that the reason it seemingly references games across all the timelines is simply because so much time has passed and so many cycles have occurred that every game simply inevitably happened eventually. Like eventually enough time passed that yeah there probably was a flood at some point causing Rito to exist or that at some point there was inevitably some sort of Twilight Realm incident
But where I’m confused is Rito are directly descended from Zora because of the Great Flood and it’s implied the Zora were extinct. I wish the developers would enlighten us. This whole “we know but we’ll never tell” coy bullshit is for the birds
@@bretlanier2304 Honestly yeah I feel that. Nintendo does a lot with Zelda with leaving implications of lore and mysteries that just, will never get answered. I think they do it because it really lends to Hyrule feeling like this really mysterious and ancient world that has endless history that no one will ever be 100% privy to but it definitely can be a little frustrating at times, especially when those never spoken about again aspects are bits from other games that people really loved (Like the Twili just permanently being banished to another dimension that we’ll never see and hear from again)
My headcannon is that a lot of the almost correct names where at one point the right spelling, but over time as the legends drift so did the spellings and pronunciations
I mean, that how real life places happen if they exist long enough
@@CrownofMischief, like how a newt used to be an ewt
@@Doublemonk0506 or an apron used to be a napron
Not gonna lie, I fixate on the geology a LOT when I play BotW. I pay very close attention to what rock textures are where. One of the first things I noticed? Most of the rock in the Akkala region has the same sort of texture as Eldin and, specifically, Death Mountain; some of the rock on the fringes of the Hebra region closest to Eldin share that texture. I also know enough about geology to know volcanoes like to form complexes where new magma chambers form as old ones crystallize. Case in point: Bay of Naples is a series of nested calderas with Mt. Vesuvius growing out of one of the younger calderas. The AREA has been volcanicly active for a very long time, but the activity took place at multiple different eruptive centers over that time. Now lets think about how long there has been an active volcano somewhere in Hyrule starting with Eldin Volcano and continuing through the various iterations of Death Mountain...and Mt. Crenel that one time. Clearly not all the same mountain. But they might all be part of the same ancient volcanic complex...and that is cool. It's very cool. So I kept doing it. Each time I play I add a little bit more onto my geological map of Hyrule and what forces were at work sculpting the geographical features over all that time. ....Weirdly enough, it's actually easier for me to conceive the passage of time on a geologic scale than it is for me to on a human one....which is why I have an easier time keeping track of decades than I do individual years and am absolutely hopeless at tracking the passage of time on any scale shorter than a month. I don't know why my brain works this way, but I will happily take advantage of it.
If there's anymore cool geological facts about this game, please share it. While I'm not really a geology nerd, that is still an awesome detail, and I want to know more.
@@runedoom OBSERVATIONS! THEY ARE OBSERVATIONS AND HYPOTHESES ONLY! I'm not one of the designers so I can't give you facts. Only observations and hypotheses built off of logical deductions related to real world equivalents. As in, I'm pretty sure most of the rock around Zora's Domain is limestone because that is what it looks like and would make sense from all the water in the area. I'm also pretty sure most of the rock in the Gerudo Region is sandstone because it would make sense for there to be a lot of that kind of sedimentary rock around a desert. And I think the rock around Rito Village is also sandstone, but of a different composition than that of the Gerudo region. Though it could also be shale.
There are a LOT of types of rock in the world and I am only familiar with a small percentage. Plus equating real world rock with video game textures is tricky because I doubt many game designers are as obsessive as I am about small details like how erosion sculpts different rocks into VERY different forms based on hardness and how not every kind of rock fractures the same way AND then taking all of those details and creating an equally detailed framework for the surface textures to be rendered on. The pros and cons of being on the autism spectrum have a LOT of overlap. Detail hyper-fixation is one of those areas of overlap. Yes, I am VERY good at noticing and internalizing a lot of fine detail, but when it comes to replicating it...I will take an eternity trying to make sure it is 100% accurate at all levels of detail. Deadlines are on my list of mortal enemies right up there with steep staircases...
@@Ilikecatsismychannelname thank you for correcting me and providing more info on your observations.
@@runedoom Not a problem. I'd say more but I can't figure out a way to word it that doesn't contradict my first sentence via implication. *I* know what I mean, but I can't figure out how to clearly communicate it so that anyone else can understand what I mean... Just another day on the autism spectrum.... Yay....
@@Ilikecatsismychannelname yep. definitely understand not knowing how to say what I'm thinking, resulting in some people assuming I'm just dumb, so they yell and punch and kick me.
Have you considered doing a diatribe of the world of hollownest from the game “Hollow Knight”?
It’s such a unique world, every piece of it has its own history and mysteries, I highly suggest you look into it.
Edit: just chuckin in a guess release date for silk song cus I feel like it. February 1st 2022
Edit 2: it’s been over a year and a few months, guess that went nowhere
Yessssssss
Imagine an OSP/mossbag crossover.
@@josephandress5942 sheer chaos
Seconded!
Yes! I’ve been dying to see OSP play or talk about Hollow Knight
One of my preferred theories about the Zonai-Sheikah connection is that the Sheikah absorbed, for a lack of a better term, Zonai sites and architecture style after the tribe vanished. Extra spicy if the Sheikah are in some way responsible for their disappearance, perhaps at the order of the Royal Family 👀
The fact that the Zonai are never mentioned by *anyone*, not even Impa, despite important sites like the Spring of Courage and a few shrines being present within Zonai ruins, implies that the Zonai tribes were long gone by the time the Sheikah were building those shrines. And structures like the Lomei labyrinths do look like Zonai at first glance, but they're far better preserved and well-constructed than any of the other supposed Zonai structures, indicating they may actually be Sheikah-made. Not to mention there's an entire island with a basement apartment built several hundred feet off the friggin' coast in Akkala; that'd be near impossible to do without some serious manpower! This might be more up Blue's alley, but supposedly the architectural style is slightly different in the labyrinths too--like one culture trying very hard to mimic the style of another.
Most of these points were compiled by NintendoBlackCrisis in their two-part Zonai documentary. Give it a watch if you haven't already!
Actually there's a sheikah tower that burst through a zonai structure in faron, so the tribe still existed long after the sheikah towers were built. furthermore, the labryinths are far bigger scale than other structures so it makes sense they'd last longer, they are also no doubt magical in nature.
I like to think that the sheikah and the Zonai existed around the same time and that the Zonai were absorbed into the Sheikah and that’s how they “disappeared”
@@stardoogalaxie9314 Considering the Constructs from the Sky Islands in TotK, plus the Labyrinths being in a different style from the other Zonai stuff, you might be onto something.
@@stardoogalaxie9314I'm more of the opinion that the Sheikhah essentially just took Zonai tech for themselves after they died? They innovated and figured out how to function without zonaite, but they still needed the knowledge and mechanisms to get where they ended up.
Speaking of the corruption of music over time: there is a book called "A Cantacle for Liebowitz" that follows a monastery post-nuclear apocalypse, and they perpetuate the last technical library through the ages, including illuminated copies of circuit diagrams
Just remembered the scene where they find out that blueprints are just in negative because of the copying process, and exclaims about all the ink they could have saved if they knew that the colors weren't important
and I belive that's also the Inspiration for the brotherhood of steel
An interesting thing I realized is that there is a rock next to the Lynel closest west of the Eldin great skeleton that has a similar hole as the one in Hebra Mountain that lines up with the hole in Hebra mountain. Another interesting thing is that you can see the blood moon in the Thyphlo Ruins.
Not even a minute in and I've already got my Twilight Princess love.
Yes.
This is what I need.
I love that BOTW acknowledges, accepts and blatantly references nearly every Zelda game. Zelda is a beloved franchise that has existed for a long time and I'm glad that the game devs are willing to tap into their linage instead of just ignoring it. It makes us players feel connected to it's world/universe, as we apply our unique mindset that's backed by years of experiencing these worlds before. It makes us feel like the constant reincarnations of the characters in-game, slowly building knowledge from the surroundings to the point where we're able to identify reference points which date multiple generations into the past.
It's just fascinating.
I don't even care if the reincarnation trope is just a money making scheme. Because it's handled so intuitively and respectfully, BOTW will always be one of my most favorite games.
BOTW 2 is very ambitious as it is handling the lineage of not only the entire franchise but the most recent game, which was one of the most impactful experiences from Zelda, so I really hope that Nintendo is able to create something as memorable as the first game. I really hope it's not just the same world as before, as we have explored it to the nth degree. Fingers crossed that it's unique enough to stand out on it's own.
Thanks so much for analysing BOTW Blue and Red, I hope you enjoyed your time with it as much as I have.
(Also Twilight Princess is the best, wuv u Red)
This has been my TedTalk
Breath of the Wild isn't likely to be the last game in the timeline.
The reason that came about is it's a result of a localization error; in the English version of the game, Zelda says that Ganon has "given up on reincarnation and assumed his pure, enraged form".
But that's the exact opposite of what it says in Japanese, where Zelda says that Ganon's _refusal_ to give up on reincarnation is what caused him to take on the giant pig beast form. He has no intention of ceasing to reincarnate, ever.
Also it's got a story sequel anyway which you guys do mention, and who even knows where that's gonna go. Really hoping that mummy that looks like Ganondorf is Ganondorf.
Also, I'm pretty sure crashing the Sky Keep onto the Imprisoned effectively killed Demise; that's why Ghirahim had to go back to the past to get a version of Demise that wasn't dead, so there isn't any Sealed Evil in a Can under the Forgotten Temple, just a corpse and a stone pillar.
All in all, fantastic video, I too am hyped for BotW, I love Zelda so bleedin' much and I'm about to plan another run of the game before the sequel comes out thanks to this. Keep rockin', you guys.
I think, by last, they meant "most recent." Like, Breath of the Wild is the chronologically (in game and real world) latest point in the timeline
Eh, demise is an immortal deity the same as the rest. They permanently managed to seal his physical manifestation, but he's still "Alive". Just forced to act through avatars same as Hylia choose to be Zelda.
See even from the English version, I only got the impression he was giving up on it THEN, so that he could confront them right now when he knows he isn't fully prepared yet. Because it isn't as though that's a cycle he can stop on his own.
@@BJGvideos i had similar thoughts. The impression to me was that Ganon was either trying to reform his physical body as Ganondorf or force a new rebirth to continue the cycle after getting trapped in the basement, but Link had pissed him off so he fell back on his usual method of turning into the giant pig boar.
@@theoverlord3937 Yeah basically. "Giving up on" as a temporary thing, since it's bigger than all of them.
I like to think the Zonai were the ancestors of the humans in Skyward Sword, before the land was raised into the sky by Hylia to save them from the demons. When they came back down, they founded Hyrule, and the Sheikah used the preexisting mazes for easy Shrine Trials (I like to further theorize they got the idea by finding the mazes and using them as trials, a sort of “why don’t we make more of these?” process)
I have absolutely no evidence to back this theory up but it fits together nicely in my head
Um, actually:
The humanoid creatures in Zelda are Hylians, not human (Hylians have pointed ears)
@@The-Grey-Area Actually they are Humans. there's two types of the word human in zelda.
"Human" as in the human race which encompasses gerudo, sheikah, Hylians, etc.
and then there's "human" meaning round-eared folks.
Looking at the architecture this is unlikely. the owl/boar/dragon motifs show that this is *after* skyward sword as that is when the zelda/gannon/link motif was set. it could have been before but with zelda having the triforce of wisdom the owl parallel is very clear. on top of that gannon(dorf) is usually depicted as a boar.
@@MaokaitheEnt But don’t the three goddesses of the triforce predate even Hylia? That means the Zonai could have worshiped the premise (courage, power, and wisdom; Dragon, Boar, and Owl) long before the people went into the sky. Before the first mortal incarnations of the triforce. It would also explain why they worship them all equally, seeing as power wasn’t associated with evil yet, as well as why the boars are mostly broken, after Ganon arose in the shape of a boar, it became associated with a monster, but by that time the Zonai were long gone.
@@Red-in-Green but the boar motif is only there Because of ganon and his pig forms. I am now of the opinion that the Zonai came to be some time after Twilight Princess in that specific timeline. And the three golden goddesses aren't purely "Good" persay. As Ganondorf is the chosen of Din the same as most incarnations of Link are the chosen of Farore. And iconography of evil aspects of a religion are a thing that are present in real mythologies.
This is me rambling a bunch of mostly unrelated points because I'm on phone and being cohesive is difficult.
I love the sort of "derailed train of thought" feeling these videos have.
And we have a Link for that too, honestly it’s getting to the point that the Link Fandom is catching up to the Supernatural Fandom.
Something else when it comes to "we use the symbols but we don't exactly know the significance with them" is with the Triforce emblem with the wings around it. The winged symbol existed in the era before Skyward Sword, but the Triforce part came after. You could see the winged symbol equate to Hylia herself, as she is always depicted with wings, but after that point, these wings have talons/bird feet and then the Triforce situated in the middle. Symbolizing a multitude of things including the Triforce bearers riding Loftwings, the Skyloft people riding Loftwings, the Triforce being brought down to the Surface in the hands of the Hylia statue, and more. I think that's incredible and like the Zelda's Lullaby motif, this symbol has survived thousands of years, whether people understand what Loftwings are at this point or not.
OH, I just thought of something. There's a little girl (I'd have to go back and find out where exactly) who talks about having dreams of giant birds and flying around in the sky. So at the very least, *something* about the Loftwings and the Era of Sky has survived to the present day. I too, think the fact that we can talk about all these games and it strengthens the story, elements, world building, etc. is amazing and I'm so hyped for the sequel. There are so many parallels between Breath of the Wild and Skyward Sword that it's NUTS.
The girl talking about giant birds could also be about windwaker
14:18 "Nobody knows a goddamn thing about them" Ah.. those were the days.
Thank you for talking about the Zonai. I saw “Zonai Core” in the latest trailer and I immediately got excited because of the way you described them in this video.
The owl in OOT is named Kaepora Gaebora. He's associated with Zelda and the royal family. In Skyward Sword Zelda's father is named Gaepora and has an owlish appearance. He's also the headmaster of the school and associated with wisdom in that way.
And Kaepora was Raurus physical reincarnation. So that was Raurus ancestor
I've only ever played BOTW, so all of this makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW XD
I've actually been to all of the ruins theyre talking about, mostly on accident, and I had always wondered what their point was and why they were there, so its fascinating that they actually have roots in the older games.
Their entire ramble about exploration sums up everything I love about this game.
Looking at Red and Blue's puppets I feel like Alucard, alone in my castle, slowly going mad and hearing their voices in my head.
I wonder if BotW's Breach of Demise might be where the first Calamity Ganon emerged from. So not the actual place where demise first emerged, but having calamity do a similar thing and leave this rift behind it would certainly make sense to name it after the legend.
This game singlehandedly saved me from depression during quarrantine no joke
Would you like a hug from a friendly stranger on the internet?
@@luigiboi4244 thanks freind
Same! I was high risk, so i went to stay with my brother who worked from home (Other family members I'd been living with still had to go in person) and he has a switch and breath of the wild. I'd played it before but hadn't finished it, and i spent the majority of quarantine finishing my old file and restarting the game and nearly finishing. Being able to have in game goals and purpose was the perfect distraction.
Good to know.
GROUP HUG!!!
Really, the thing that interests me history-wise is how Hyrule went from a 1 goddess system, to a 3 goddess system, then back to a 1 goddess system.
I like to think of the 3 Goddesses as the creators of the world and Hylia being their middleman between the people. They’re the Dons, Hylia is the Consigliere.
Legend of zelda has been the most influential game series I've had. When I was 8 years old, I was given 60 dollars for my birthday. I went to the local target and was intending on buying mario bros wii. But the game right next to it had a case of an elf man mirrored with a wolf. The title of that game was twilight princess. While I was hesitant on getting that game, my mom told me that game series was her favorite when she was younger. So it was then that I went to hell with it and I bought twilight princess. That game was one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had before that time in my life. Many people say that it's the darkest in the series. And while it does have its moments, I get the feeling of walking through an old renaissance painting. I replayed it at least 5 times. To this day I always get the latest games in the series and have loved every one of them
Did you get to explore the games with your mom then?
Apart from 30 minutes of ocarina of time when I was very young, and phantom hourglass (which I love but it doesn’t have any timeline impact really), Twilight Princess was my first major Zelda game and I LOVE it.
I was young when I tried playing it the first few times (maybe 11 years old) so I would get stuck trying to find a way into the spring where Ilia and Epona are (just before they get kidnapped). Didn’t matter to me tho, I had a village to explore every inch of over and over :)
@Dqixsoss I got stuck on the delivering the Zora prince to kakariko. The damn carriage would get hit by a bomb it'd run of the road, starting all over again. Must have taken me like 6 months to figure out I gotta kill the bomb birds.
I also got stuck on the water temple. I was less frustrated about that though because half of the game map wasn't locked off, unlike before you save the zora
@BJGvideos unfortunately no. Me and my mom have a.... rocky relationship. Still love her though. And incredibly grateful she gave me this series
@@jwilson544 my only wish for the story of the game is wtf happens with Zelda cuz she disappears healing kinda then her body reappears later? It’s nothing major but it’s just odd
Breath of the wild's age is my favorite thing. The fact there are entire civilizations that existed and just go straight up unexplained due to how old they are is insanely cool
Or the fact there was apparently a whole high/magi tech civilization at one point, that is just barely around is also so amazing to think about
If you’re planning on examining more video games, I highly recommend taking a look at the Faro Plague from Horizon: Zero Dawn and how that it is probably one of the most terrifying apocalypses when you think about it.
That game has some of my favorite backstory/lore ever. It's horrifying but weirdly hopeful and I love everything about it.
All this considered, it makes the Master Sword both even more impressive, and it's limitations in game make much more sense! By the time breath of the wild rolls around, poor Fi has been through some absolute nonsense. That she's only started running out of juice after at least 20,000 years...
Good grief
Some extra tragedy to that.
It's implied part of the strength of the Master Sword is her adoration for her Master and, to a lesser degree, her creator.
So, if you spin that on its head... it could mean she's so tired of the whole cycle that she is losing faith in Link *and* Hylia.
@@alchemysaga3745 Why?
Why u gotta break my heart like that?
The whole cycle is an incredibly cruel thing for everyone involved Zelda usually gets a happy ending but has a lot of tragedy due to it (usually a dead family and a ruined kingdom).
Link sometimes gets that happy ending with the same attached tragedy but often has nothing to live for post the age of 12-19 and ends up living a life of adventure that is ultimately pointless and will likely result in his death (see links awekaning where he likely died out at sea, or heros shade in TP who isnt allowed to have eternal rest and is plucked from the afterworld to fullfill a thierd mission for wich he again wont recieve any recognition).
And Ganondorf is trapped as well, in an ironic twist of fate he trys to resist the gods so much jet only does so due to the lasting influence of Demise who may as well be just another god controlling his existence... (also Din might just play into that just for shits and giggles).
Ganondorf doesnt even have a choice he is automstically forced into a position that makes him "The Villain" from the second he is born, everything in his life will ultimately lead to him eather becoming the bad guy and failing horribly or succeding and loosing his mind while transforming into a giant monster creature that might as well just be Demise... there is little left of Ganondorf in the Ganon we meet in games like "a link to the past" (or maybe it hits even worse and he is resigned to whatever horrible fate we saw him in in the botw sequel trailer).
Ganondorf is just as much if not moreso a prisioner to the curse as Link and Zelda are...
@@vincentpey3929 Demise truly is one of the greatest demon lords I’ve ever seen. Able to craft a curse that harms everyone, the three involved, and the world around them.
@Vincent Pey this makes me wonder if Ganon didn't CHOOSE to be mummified to avoid the cycle of reincarnation.
A Ganon trying to defy his fate of being the villain is fascinating.
"You can't just skyrim horse clip your way up a mountain you have to *climb*,"
*whistle running up anything that isn't a 90 degree incline*
*lights a spicy pepper on fire and rides the updraft*
Glitches and physics exploits are basically this Link's superpower.
@@BonaparteBardithion Is it really an exploit if it's specifically arranged that way?
@@templarw20
Depends on whether the feature is being used as intended. Explosions knocking things around is planned. I don't think they planned on Wind Bombing.
Kudos to MonolithSoft, Nintendo's masters of world design who came on to help with that for Breath of the Wild - while simultaneously handling their own Xenoblade 2. They're excellent at their craft and reportedly do it while being a really progressive company and not driving everyone working on their games into the ground!
... Now I want to see an action/adventure BotW-type game set on the Bionis.
Yes! The Hyrule of BoTW is so widely praised so you can imagine how excited I am to see a video dedicated to it. By my favorite primary colors no less!
This makes me realize that they're an incomplete trilogy
@@Gloomdrake What about LudoHistory?
@@luigiboi4244 that's not a primary color
why doesn't anybody like yellow?
9:59 Red: “No! Goddess magic! Get back to your training!”
Zelda: “Did someone say goddess?!”
Cookie for someone who gets the reference.
What Zelda REALLY needed was her seal team six to take out the guardians.
But who am I to say? I'm just a scrawny old clown snatch.
I hope she doesn't spray it with her neck gland.
Game Grumps.😂
one theory for what the 3. leviathan is supposed to be is that whale deity from phantom hourglass. it looks the most like a regular whale skeleton and that deity is basicaly just that
No, not poor old Oshus!
Could also be Levias from skyward sword as he's also a whale-like thing.
@@TheIvoryDingo They already identified one of the three whale skeletons as Levias.
"This is not... the greatest Dream Island in the World. No. This is just a tribute."
Man... I missed a lot of those details. I didn't even know about one of those civilizations. Makes the whole "Hyrule Warriors caused timelines to merge" theory make a lot more sense. Like... BotW is what happens after Discworld's history monks put everything back together...
I remember 2 ZeldaTubers debunking that theory…I think one of them might have been NintendoBlackCrisis?
@@luigiboi4244 Dunno. I'm not really into the youtube community around Zelda. And yeah, it's been debunked both officially and among fans, but it's still an interesting idea.
+1 for History Monks patch job Theory.
Also we can't rule out an Octavo scale Change Spell.
Or the timeline/alt-reality bubble that happened in Mort.
I’m genuinely super happy Red and Blue decided to go on a diatribe about Zelda, my favorite series, and then about all the connecting elements in BotW. This was a great watch and I hope they do more things like it in the future.
About Zelda’s lullaby: obviously the secret waterfall isn’t around anymore, but the Hylians and the Zora still had a working relationship to the point that the two kingdoms could collaborate. Maybe visiting the Zora has a procedure where the Hylian Royal family has to play the lullaby to let the Zora know who’s coming and that they mean no harm... tldr, I think its still used!
My favorite thing about the ranch ruins is that even though they're ruins, the fact that they're still there means it stuck around for **over ten thousand years**
From OoT, it was probably ALOT longer than that. I’m thinking 50 to 100,000 years.
@@bretlanier2304wasn't it also in minish cap?? Which is before OoT on the timeline??? Lon Lon's got some staying power, damn 😂
I remember when looking at the ruins of BotW, I was reminded by how interesting and mysterious the Spirit Temple in OoT was.
Also, there is technically a third leviathan/cetacious deity in the Zelda games: Oshus from Phantom Hourglass, so there's him to consider when looking at the Leviathans.
Oshus is literally from and lives in an alternate dimension.
There are also theories with imo a lot of good arguments that consider Oshu to be the same entity as the Wind fish, but in a different timeline.
Also, what about Jabu Jabu?
this video and Red's streams of this game single-handedly convinced me to one; get a Switch, and two; get BOTW
never played a zelda game before, not even much of a gamer tbh
was it worth it the money? well, I got to have the magical experience of Naydra flying _directly overhead_ as I wandered around the Lanayru Promenade so, the answer is yes. hell-freaking-yes.
It's so interesting listening to this whilst playing "Tears of the kingdom" where the Zonai are center-stage
So my basic takeaway here is that the Legend of Zelda, a perpetually Medieval-ish Fantasy World, has a timeline regarding these Kingdoms that is literally longer than the whole of Human Civilization as we think of it. That's kinda terrifying on multiple levels
On the topic of the inherent limitations of Zelda open world exploration I want to call attention to The Minish Cap game. This game used a very cool trick to make a limited size world, it was a GBA exclusive mind you, by letting you not just explore horizontally by making more world but also vertically. The Big gimmick was Link could shrink and grow to interact with the little fairy Minish creatures. So instead of "here is the map of Hyrule" you had "here is Hyrule but also basically a hidden shrunk down underworld" that interacted with the above world. Also there were these things called Kin stones that you could match up to just make things happen and change. So instead of a big world it went for a dynamic one.
every single time the little dolls in the armchair get me! They're super adorable but also I get this mental image of some Toy Story meets portrait of Dorain Gray stuff where your dolls absorb the inane arguments you bottle up and come alive every few weeks to hash out minutiae from various media franchises. And then somewhere, off in the shadows, the Indigo dolls watches and waits and also edits.
Posting during first 24 hours of totk: I can't wait for a follow up detail diatribe about how totk fits/changes with this video.
6:54 That 8th Statue being hidden and separate makes a lot mote sense now that we have played ToTk.
Before you fight him in Skyward Sword, demise mentions having waited for eons, plural to return. This monologue happens in the past, so that’s thousands of years before the game. That puts Demise being sealed away for the first time at LEAST 2.01 million years before skyward sword, and who knows how long before breath of the wild.
I appreciate how there are references to all the previous Zelda titles in BoTW, but each of those stories exist in that world the same way ancient myths exist in ours. Making the game simultaneously existing in all timelines, yet independent from each, is the most efficient way to acknowledge its predecessors without being weighed down by their continuity.
I would watch a 20+ minute video of Red just gushing and talking about twilight princess. I love hearing others gush about things that I also adore
I love that Breath of the Wild is so old and has such different and varied world building. I would love if you could do a video on the world building of Fire Emblem Three Houses.
i already know a lot of the zelda lore and timeline, but I'm still gonna watch this. I just love osp it's a very comfy channel.
"Imagine a place that is so old the sun has not seen it in ten thousand years" ok no one tells Blue about Britanny.