What did the Romans think of the Greeks?
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Today, DJ Peach Cobbler delivers on a promise.
He delves into the complex and millennia-spanning relationship between ancient Greece and Rome, from Alexander's conquest to the fall of Constantinople. He covers the Pyrrhic war, Nero, Hadrian, and still fits in innumerable jokes about butt stuff.
Ancient Rome is so cool, and so is Greece. Thanks for watching, and reading! You read this whole description! You didn't have to do that! Comment your favorite emperor, or I will crucify you.
As usual, I do not cite my sources, because I still have a full-time job and I just can't be bothered. However, here are most of the (secondary) sources I used, and which I recommend if you'd like to learn more!
"Greece Against Rome by Philip Matyszak" - Very approachable, although the interplay between the various successor kingdoms were quite complicated and it delves fairly deeply into that. I don't recommend this book unless you're interested in classical antiquity IN GENERAL, and not just Rome. To be clear, you should be.
"The Story of Greece and Rome by Tony Spawforth" - Certainly less approachable, but incredibly well-written. There are two types of non-fiction books on the ancient Mediterranean. Those which talk about pottery shards, and those which don't. Those which do are drier, certainly, but also don't indulge themselves in unreliable secondary sources, instead choosing to focus on that which we can ascertain from archeological evidence. This is the book to read on this subject if you've got patience and a true hunger for knowledge.
"Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire by Simon Baker" - This is a beach read, through-and-through, but that is no insult. It jumps around through the life of the Republic and Empire, and is exceedingly entertaining, albeit sorta pulpy. If you just wanna have a good time and get a broad overview of Rome, this is the one. Can't recommend it enough.
Thanks for watching.
Rome invicta,
DJ Peach Cobbler
As usual, I do not cite my sources, because I still have a full-time job and I just can't be bothered. However, here are most of the (secondary) sources I used, and which I recommend if you'd like to learn more!
"Greece Against Rome by Philip Matyszak" - Very approachable, although the interplay between the various successor kingdoms was quite complicated and it delves fairly deeply into that. I don't recommend this book unless you're interested in classical antiquity IN GENERAL, and not just Rome. To be clear, you should be.
"The Story of Greece and Rome by Tony Spawforth" - Certainly less approachable, but incredibly well-written. There are two types of non-fiction books on the ancient Mediterranean. Those which talk about pottery shards, and those which don't. Those which do are drier, certainly, but also don't indulge themselves in unreliable primary sources, instead choosing to focus on that which we can ascertain from archeological evidence. This is the book to read on this subject if you've got patience and a true hunger for knowledge.
"Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire by Simon Baker" - This is a beach read, through-and-through, but that is no insult. It jumps around through the life of the Republic and Empire, and is exceedingly entertaining, albeit sorta pulpy. If you just wanna have a good time and get a broad overview of Rome, this is the one. Can't recommend it enough.
Thanks for watching.
Rome invicta,
DJ Peach Cobbler
I LOVE YOU DJ PEACH COBBLER (no homo tho)
I ALSO LOVE YOU DJ PEACH COBBLER (i am living in your walls)
What’s the third part gonna be about you hellish entity?
Where can I get that merch you're wearing???
23:40 this explains a lot
I've always heard that saying fiddle while Roma burns and I would wonder why he wouldn't do something
Your whole video up until that point explained it well for me
Thank you
26:10 more knowledge
Greeks: You're too late, Roman. I've already sculpted YOU as the Soyjak and ME as the Chad
Yeah… but did you write your name on it?…
FOR NOW I HAVE INSCRIBED THE CHAD SCULPTURE AS “ROMAN” AND THE VIRGIN SCULPTURE AS “GREEK. YOU HAVE ULTIMATELY PLAYED YOURSELF!
🤌🤌🤌
Justinian: but your the one calling yourself ROMAN HELENIE! RAAAAAAGH!!! **greek fire noises**
@@Ballin4Vengeance "Ah, but you see, Roman, I've already written a trilogy of tragic plays to lionize my fall and taint your victory forever."
@@wargriffin5 "but you Greek tragedy is nothing but a series of people doing nothing but giving speeches which people will fall asleep before the 2nd act. Checkmate."
Hey Lois, do you remember that time we stole our culture from the Greeks?
This is worse than that time Hannibal invaded!
Oh man! This is worse than the time I couldn’t pay the Pretorian guards!
Pepperidge Farm remembers
And you remember when the greeks called themselves romans for one thousands and a half years?
@@esti-od1mz and you remember when we got beaten up by some greeks during ww2?
D.J. "Peach" Cobbler was a brilliant storyteller, historian, entertainer and editor who once feigned irony and shitposting because of his insecurity in his own talents. It is only after he dropped his mental barriers and imaginary things like a "full time job" in late 2023 that he would begin to conquer RUclips and then the world. It is because of this power, however, that his mental state declined into madness, as it had begun doing after he hit 300 subscribers.
Those who create content should take care that in the process, they do not become content themselves.
For as we gaze long into the algorithm, so too does the algorithm gaze back into us.
Also don't forget he was very gay but that time it was okay as well. But he did it a way that we can call it as they did that time "based", based indeed.
@@Leisurelee53 and as the algorithm stares back the limitation of the human brain are reached. It remains one of two options. Su!cide because of the unknowable horrors they have learned or dive into madness to escape it.
praise our lord the Peach
And thus he mirrored the fate of all empires. Those traits allowed him to conquer all, but also sowed the seeds of his own downfall.
“to ride a horse, to draw a bow, and to speak the truth.” Herodotus
the Persians used to use hunting as war practice, helped cooperation and made youth to be sharp and on their feet. it created the habit of waking up early, becoming resilient to cold and hot air, get used to walking for long duration and mastering horseback riding and create a brave individual.
"This bussy got me questioning my loyalty to Rome"- Nero, probably
An understandable action
Shut up
@@concept5631 No
@@White_Breeder yes
Cobbler, during the reign of Nero the term "imperator" was never used as a title. It was "princeps" as styled after Augustus. It wasn't until well into the CE that the "dominus" period started when emperor's started going by more regal titles like dominate or imperator.
You were there?
@@TheTGOAC Yeah I was there too I can back him up
Lmao that's completely wrong, 'imperator' as a title was given already to Julius Ceasar and then it was allowed to be inhereted by his succesors what tf are you talking about just open the wiki page
@@blaabla4448 imperator was a term in the Republic to mean you had imperium (basically a kind of king) and could stand for a triumph.
Yes, Caesar was proclaimed imperator, but not for life that was his position as dictator.
The title of Imperator *DID NOT* fall to Augustus after he assumed Caesar's position. Augustus actually went out of his way to avoid the imperator title as he felt it would give away his ambitions and why he *INSISTED* on bring called Princeps and why Emperor's after him followed that tradition until the dominate era started in the mid to late 200s AD.
My sources are not Wikipedia but S.P.Q.R by Mary Beard.
@@SomethingWittyRWjust to add on to why Augustus didn't use the imperator title, most if not all of his battles were against other romans. So to proclaim oneself imperator and hold a triumph was seen in bad taste.
After Augustus it was usually only given to members of the imperial family because of the clout the title held, since any commander who's legions hailed them imperator was essentially aiming for the "throne"
Your freeform kinda tongue in cheek history videos are some of the best on YT. No one else really compares. When I get tired of reading or watching lectures I always end up rewatching one of these. Thanks Cobbler great stuff
“The secret to happiness is to stop reading every book on Rome about 3/4 of the way through.”
Never have I heard something so true.
But Caesar is about to come back to Rome
It’s also true when watching the wolf of wall street
Man I cannot wait to finish the fall of rome by Gibson
Time to turn off the video after he said that
For the love of god avoid playing total war Attila
The five great emperors were all giga brained and ultimately sought to leave the empire stronger than when they left it. It's a shame that the reign of Marcus Aurelius saw the empire ravaged so thoroughly by Smallpox because I think each of the Emperors made the empire more stable, more legalistic, and more resistant to power struggles and civil war, a trend that was reversed wholesale by the smallpox plague that happened.
> Made the empire more stable
>Got wrecked by smallpox.
Rome was a degenerate empire and the worst emperors did a service by quickening its destruction
5 good emperors were outdone by 1 really bad emperor.
supreme power is fickle, and as a result untrustworthy. even a 100 good emperors could be outdone by a single bad one. even 1 bad out of 5 good is a miracle.
@@TheUnoriginalDrCorgi it’s always that virus diseases that ruins everything. Always causing the collapse of civilization and a population replacement
Hey, nice profile picture man.
I can't put my finger on it. But I think part of what i really enjoy about your work, peach, is the layer of sadness underneath all that gallows humor and self aware commentary.
We are fascinated with the Roman culture because we both feel like it's inheritors (like the 6th culture to do so) and feel as if we are in a similar state of decline.
And I really do like your reframing of the question: we shouldn't ask so much how Rome fell, but look into Jesus christ almighty how did it last a tenth of the time that it did?
Fantastic work. Look forward to part 3.
The buttsex was good, as soon as Constantine decided buttsex was bad, the end was nigh
@@Dong_Harvey They may take our lives, they may take our freedom, but they will never take our BUSSY!
@@Dong_Harvey truer words have not been spoken. Don’t look in the oil drum
my grandfather told me that one day part 2 might be released it seemed he was right
thanks DJ peach cobbler
These drawings of the Mediterranean get better and better each rendering. Truly a flawless representation. Almost thought I was actually in Greece for a moment
I wish people talked about Indo-Greek and Indo-Roman relations and how they were well connected. Plus they respected each other while still maintaining their own superiority complex.
There's not a lot of evidence for widespread Greek homosexuality.
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Started watching you as a gaming channel turns out your best work is your history videos
Fucking brilliant. Best history videos I’ve ever seen in my life and I’m like a connoisseur. It’s my favorite hobby. These were nuts please keep making more
I like to think what Archimedes pondered was a sophisticated sketch in the sand a prototype blueprint before having it drawn or wasting the expensive ink and parchment or equivalent and the feebleminded roman that recorded it only saw many circles in the sand...
Almost scrolled past, thinking it was the old video. Thank you for the blessing Peach Cobbler.
I’m late to checking this, but I really enjoyed this video. You have quickly become one of my favorite RUclipsrs. The ad Libs and “rants” make this less of a “documentary style” and more of an engaged learning for me! Thank you for your effort, I know the editing took some time! 🎉
I genuinely got more hyped when I saw that this released than I would for any movie or show releasing. DJ Peach cobbler, you are a genius.
Awesome video Mr. Peachman.
Now we're just waiting on the Vice City Retrospective, the Alien "Hitchhiker" and the History of Valve Part 2.
And don't look in the corner, Mr. Peachman. He is looking.
I will now and forever refer to the Roman Empire at its height as a “hecking chonker”.
Syracuse was NOT a successor kingdom. How could they be a successor kingdom if they were never even in Alexander's empire? And Philip II didn't pioneer the phalanx, it had been around for hundreds of years. He built on it, using a deeper formation and far longer pikes.
He never said they were genius
Hysterical at times and...informative. The Hadrian analysis was really excellent as well as the conclusion. Very well done for a fruit pie.
I admire Archimedes to an incredible degree
“Hunting in the Persian fashion, which presumably, is chasing those meat cylinders that are fucking delicious” - genius
RIP Hadrian, you would’ve really loved the Byzantine empire
I feel precisely high enough for this
The only thing that spoils cobbler's videos for me is that i feel like im missing some more complicated references. Like im being paranoid and truing to read something in shadows on the chalkboard.
RUclips is full of great histoey channels. But only one has an unhinged host.
Glad i found you
Chalk eating merch when?
Instant subscribe, that's just pure perfection
Came for the videogame reviews, stayed for ancient Rome.
I didn’t see this for a while because I thought it would make me gay.
Anyway when are you gonna talk about Doom Eternals relationship to the byzantine Empire?
Thanks for part 2 the first one was phenomenal!
Wait, I was supposed to be taking notes? Can you start over?
Omg, how tf did I miss this, thank god cobbler is back
Philhelellenes=greekaboo
We have facts to prove it, the ancient Macedonians were Greek.
As a fervent reader of Roman history and lover of all things Mediterranean, thank you for this.
As a turk i see this as an absolute win
I have waited so long for this video that i have lost all my excitement for it but thanks
Why have I been glued to this video for so long goddamn
Thanks!
When my shcool told us about Roman's and Greece I fucking hated it. I have always loved history, bur always thought that 1900-2000 was the most interesting times (and later also napoleonic era) but these two videos have literally opened my eyes first to the Roman's ans their wierd but interesting political games, and now to Greek culture... Thank you for making these videos... This again shows to me that subject isn't usally the thing that makes us want to learn about it, but the people who tell us about it are
That moment when DJ Peach Cobbler uses Skyrim music in his history videos.
damn man.. I could not stop watching your story telling is too great.
I love the duality of entertainment and learning.
The Latin alphabet came from the Etruscans, who probably took it from Phoenician merchants
As soon as he said "This video is sponsored by..." my first thought was "Holy shit, someone sponsored this maniac?"
Holy lord yes thank you I thought you wouldn’t commit
Glad that I found this channel!
Whoa this is just amazing! Love the stupidity of the humour paired with the actually REALLY insightfull look at greco-roman culture. It just works for me on a deep level.
“Was this video stupid? Possibly. Is Dj Peach Cobbler smoking crack every day? *YES* “
Unbelievable work man
I have seen this clip a lot, and I still giggle like a retard at the "7:06 joke, "The Romans kept referencing fucking warhammer"
36:20 all elites of the world smurked when u said that
"You have been taking notes this whole time right? Right...?"
Opsie...
awesome video, dope take, love u G
Beautiful. Thanks bro
Great vid cobbler, thank you
Keep up the vids bro, much love,
There is nothing more to say, but thank you...
I genuinely love how Cobbler presents history! Like, I hope he covers other topics as well.
Also, when Rome invaded Greece, the last free greek kingdoms where Buddhist and Greeks there where busy giant statues of Buddha, the ones blown up by the Talibans a few years ago.
But that's another story.
My favorite chalk eater returns.
Holy shit I love you, been binging your content ands its feckin love it.
That was soooooo good!
fascinating video, will sub
Roman and Greek cultures were a perfect match.
The creative chaos of Greece combined with the roman dull stubbornness and need to put everything in order really complemented each other.
You are my fav youtuber
There were two kinds of Romans:
The Greeks and those who had inferiority complex
we still need a part 3 to cover folks like the parthians/ persians and other desert dwellers.
I seriously doubt Columbus was "a stupid fuck". I am positive he knew what he was doing.
Great music choices
The american lindybeige strikes again. Awesome video bro.
As a fan and long-time reader of Byzantine history, I can confirm the key to true, unadulterated happiness with Roman History stops at around 312 and everything after should be avoided at a liberal distance.
Well this came out of nowhere
*Cobbler writes N on the board*
Me: *PANIC*
The Greeks absorbing the best of their neighbours makes me wonder what we'd be like if we were made up of all the best bits of humanity
That chalkboard is like 30 grit sandpaper across my frontal lobe. Stop please.
why have I not know about this channel. pure gold
12:29 what's the music here? He keeps using this and its really catchy.
The quality of this video is insane.
This makes regular history class feel like watered-down garbage. I wish my teachers cared this much.
"Leave me to my circles, Roman" is such a raw-ass line I'm astonished I hadn't heard before watching this
Archimedes was a raw ass dude
Can you believe that mathematicians actually worship this greekoid?
-Dovahatty
It’s not a line you mook
And then, the roman soldier killed him. Then his roman commander killed this soldier, for having killed Archimedes.
He said "don´t bother my circles", didn´t even mean the circles on the floor, but the thought-trains in his brain, in greek it´s "circles".
@@klausbrinck2137 Even better. He basically said "Fuck off, I'm thinking."
The fact Cobbler is able to produce this quality content while having a full-time job is astounding.
Damn, that's commendable
What does he do for a living?
@@jackalope7372 poaches rare and endangered animals
@@jackalope7372 from what i could gather, he just rides around all day in a white van near school zones
@@Totaluser1 Indeed! I steal purebred dogs from my neighbors and sell them on Craigslist!
"bedder of kin" is perhaps the most apt description of any Spanish monarch in that time period
any Monarch*
Isn't limited inbreeding enhance the favorable traits getting passed into descemdants?
@@jamalisujang2712 if you view lockjaw and unusable sperm as favourable traits sure
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 I meant limited, raising different distant families, to build certain favorable traits to avoid inbreeding from family circle facking. Has this been tried?
@@jamalisujang2712 mate clearly that's what your parent-uncles told you so you'd be fine fucking your cousin, but um, no, abso-fucking-lutely not that's fucjing insane and very wrong. I'm glad you asked so we could tell you before it was too late
Bro I’ve been waiting for what seems like my entire life for another ancient history video from you.
I thought I was alone in this world.
I've watched the first one an uncomfortable amount of times
*THE MOST ANTICIPATED SEQUEL OF ALL TIMES*
glad to have you back cobbler, hope you've been well :*
Hope your doing well yourself.
“How did Rome fall?” I for one pose the theory of a comically placed banana peel but that’s neither here nor there
Alternative, because they’re in the Northern Hemisphere, between the months of September to December
"Leave me to my circles, Roman." gotta be some of the hardest last words of all time.
And it's not even that well translated. "Μη μου τους κύκλους τάραττε" can Also been interpreted as "don't bother my cycles" or "leave my cycles unharmed". The reason it's translated like that, is because the word cycle was also used to mean a train of thought, a theory. So he is referring to the physical cyrcles he has drawn as well as those in his head. So you can replace it as "leave me to my thoughts, Roman". Yep, this dude made puns as he was about to die, supposedly
It was meant to sound gay.
Hannibal and Scipio Africanus would like a word.
Respectively:
“Let us now relieve the fears of the Romans, by the death of a feeble old man.”
And
“Ungrateful fatherland, you won’t even have my bones.”
It was written 1300 years after Archimedes lived. It isn’t true, it is just a legend made about him. Still sounds bad ass though
"Civilizations are a lot like gay sex, in that of course, while the greeks did not invent those things, they sure as shit perfected them." -DJ Peach Cobbler
Didn't the Greeks have unbelievable corruption and a tendency to commit le genocide
man these women really did conquer a lot of land
Homosexuality was highly looked down upon in Greek society, especially among those in receiving roles. All of them were mocked as women and consider as less of men.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 not true. hellenic views on homosexuality varied greatly, but outright looked down upon with all practicioners being "shamed" as women is beyond ahistorical. it isnt just an oversimplification its an outright exaggeration.
@@ionatanmacbhaididh5736 Plato also is quoted as saying that "homosexual individuals are the most blessed of mortals". it was a lot more complex than just "gay is bad, mkay".
This how it feels like when Kanye finally dropped Donda😭😭👨🏿🍳
Horrible comparison
This is like if he actually dropped Yandhi
I’ve been waiting for this
I was actually listening to the album when I saw this 😂😂
@@philipwarpzer0630 based
32:29 Why everyone is saying that Alexander wasn’t greek? The Macedonians were Doric greek, the same tribe as the ancient Spartans, dude was from the Argiad dynasty, his mother was Greek as well, his name was greek, his religion was greek, his language was greek he participated on the Olympic Games something that was only allowed for the Greeks and a great grandfather of his warned the rest of the Greeks for the Persian invasion. Sure the rest of the greek city states frowned upon the Macedonians because they were a kingdom and not an oligarchy or a democracy but that doesn’t make them less greek.
Just Americans falling prey to modern political sensibilities, and not wanting to offend anyone despite one side of the argument being obviously true
Balkan RUclips comments, I think.
The Balkans today have a very... shall we say, spirited, national identity politics. Ascribing a cultural icon to the wrong nationality [even retroactively] is a surefire way to get a lot of spicy comments. Best not to poke the beehive if you don't have to.
I think part of the problem is that "Greek" is both a byword for a geographical region, a historical cultural sphere, and a modern place with a strong national identity. It can make things really awkward if you're not explicit. Sort of like calling Mexico "American". True in one sense, potentially quite incendiary in another
@@solanceDarkMOW no don’t make entirely different things equal, there is proof of Alexander the Great’s Greek heritage and everyone trying to say otherwise is scientifically at least wrong
@@Nikosmentis my point is: the word "Greek" refers to multiple things in different contexts. They aren't "equal," but they are all important and you can't claim that one is universally correct.
In this case "of Greek heritage" is referring to the Hellenistic cultural sphere. I'm sure Macedonians of the day [and today, honestly] would be greatly offended by saying they're scientifically "Greek" because of their shared heritage. You're not scientifically correct just because that's the way you meant it, at least not if you fail to make clear that's how you meant it.
@@solanceDarkMOW it is crazy that we only doubt the ethnicity of ancient Macedonians, who in their day never lost a chance to profess their greekness, just because a modern nation happens to try to larp as them today. Honestly never seen another historical nation get that treatment.
And just to address a common argument before you probably make it, the fact that ancient greeks had stronger regionalistic identities does not cancel the fact that they were aware that they shared a common hellenic identity.
As a gamer obsessed with Roman history.. this is like crack to a Hunter. So well put, and so very poignant to remember they were indeed the last Romans.
I was unaware of hunters and the proclivity for crack
@@RodneeGirthshaft mainly one specific guy named hunter
Bro dropping thst big cash
Small fun fact: in Hebrew, the term "mit'yaven" (מִתְיַוֵּן)- a person in the process of converting into Greek culture- is still used as a pejorative to this day.
Maccabees left the chat.
To be fair, historical Hebrews never did like anyone else's culture, despite Greek's clear effect on their philosophy and thought (mysticism, is a great example which shaped their religion as we know it today)
@@barc0deblankblank 'their religion' is also Christianity
@@Hope_Boat Who's religion?
@@barc0deblankblank Jews
Moth at 14:57
Good eye holy shit lol
Easily the best history teacher/game reviewer on the platform
/ political commentator / fed hater