Thumbnail gave me a heart attack, lmao. First off, let me just say this video is super well made and hilarious, definitely gonna be checking out more of your shenanigans! Being in the business of "weird, obscure history," most of my time in the video process is spent on research; trying to sift through all the bs stories and factoids out there (looking at you "topless duel between a countess and princess" and "CIA dropping condoms in the Soviet Union"). I take a lot of pride in my research, and I make a great effort trying to weave together historical accuracy and comedy without spreading straight up misinformation. Naturally, when tackling "weird, obscure history" you're often faced with stories from limited sources of questionable merit, and it's up to you to use research, logic, and reasoning to judge its authenticity accordingly. This is something I have always, and more increasingly over time, taken very seriously. Around the time of the video in question's research period, I was rather new to-and still learning-how to properly and fully research a story's authenticity (still am; it's a process one always can improve!). I believe, if I were to tackle the same video today, I still would have told the story, but I would have tackled it from a different angle. In my research for the Battle of Pelusium, I had doubt from the beginning of its authenticity. I mean, you covered it well, the concept of an army losing ‘cuz cat’ is pretty absurd. I read Polyaenus’ very short account of the story, and I did note that the account by Herodotus noticeably lacked any mention of cats or the other animals. So my process for verifying this story was as follows: 1. I knew about the often dubious reliability of Herodotus’ work. His account on the actual battle itself was remarkably scarce of much detail at all, leading me to believe he didn’t invest much time and effort in recording the smaller details of the battle. I believed, if this cat and sacred animal story was true, it probably happened to a much less sensational degree and affected the outcome of the battle less dramatic than modern day articles would make you believe. So, if it truly was a less significant detail, I can see how Herodotus might have missed it in his sparse account. Furthermore, a lot of what Herodotus covered pertained to post-battle, the details of which have been argued to be false by later historians. And finally, a lot of what he did was walk around and kick some skeletons. When I saw he claimed Egyptians had “thicker skulls” than Persians and therefore didn’t need head protection, I lost trust in him and perhaps too easily dismissed the discrepancy between his account and Polyaenus’. 2. My research at the time into Polyaenus led me to believe he could be considered a bit more than a somewhat trustworthy resource. I had read scholarly papers who attempted to track down his sources for his Stratagems concerning Alexander, and while it seemed like there were times he made small mistakes and minor embellishments, I could still believe in some kind of truth in the Battle of Pelusium account. When covering obscure topics like this, especially ancient topics, I believe a certain degree of faith is required when learning about history. 3. The more you dig into so many stories, the more you find potential holes and doubts in them. That was definitely the case with this story and then some, but as I could still see a case for its authenticity (particularly with how often not only the story, but Polyaenus had been cited by other writers), I decided to tell it. 4. There are a lot of accounts on how seriously Egyptians revered and respected animals, Diodorus Siculus had even reported to have seen Egyptians lynch a Roman for accidentally killing a cat, even when Pharaoh Ptolemy XII tried to intervene. Knowing how seriously Egyptians respected animals, I could somewhat see a scenario where seeing sacred animals on the battlefield could have been the straw that broke the camels back for Egyptian troops who may have been suffering low morale. I actually briefly covered the doubts (such as how long after the fact Polyaenus’ account was written) about the stories authenticity in my “director’s commentary” of the video on my second channel, RedJay. I did not, at the time, have the level of insight into Greek/Roman racist perceptions of Egyptians that you covered in this video. I am also quite embarrassed that I relayed the fact about “painting the image of Bastet on their shields” without realizing there wasn’t an original source for this claim. In my mind, I was more worried about the authenticity of the ‘animals being present at all’ part of the story as I could more easily believe some soldiers painted an image of their enemies god mockingly than literally throwing cats around in a battlefield. I can't say I'm 100% convinced this story is entirely without merit, but I can say I doubt it's authenticity significantly more after your excellent analysis. The point about Polyaenus having written it so many years after the fact is a very valid criticism of its authenticity; however, this for me fell into my aforementioned “faith” point. I chose to assume that because this happened so so long ago, that Polyaenus probably had access to sources that may no longer exist today. The only evidence that I have that he might have is a scholarly article by Historian N. G. L. Hammond where he attempts to identify some of Polyaenus’ sources (since he didn’t cite them, which is definitely a red flag) and fails to track specific sources for a few of his claims about Alexander. That could just as easily mean those claims are false, however. I’m definitely far less confident that this story happened, in fact I agree it most likely didn’t happen, you made a very good and convincing argument in this video. I don’t regret covering the story in my video, but I DO regret not disclosing more explicitly how doubtful this story is, similar to how I disclosed the doubtfulness of the “balloon duel” story in my Historic Duels video. I saved that discussion for my second channel video, which I now find to be an irresponsible decision. Since I saw your video I spent a lot of time (and far less sleep) doubling over my previous research and digging into Polyaenus’ reliability deeper, finding now that he was a lot more questionable than I was initially led to believe. Like I said before, I had often prided myself with how “devil in the details” I can get researching stories to find the truth, having gone as far as self-translating centuries old French court documents in the past. So, it sucks that I made a mistake here. My biggest mistake with this story was being too quick to trust the word of Polyaenus who I had assumed to be reliable instead of properly digging into this man (metaphorically) so that I could more accurately cover the doubtfulness of this story. Super good video dude, and I genuinely appreciate you calling me out on this. I think it’s a good thing to do and something that should probably be done more often on this fever dream website. While some people give me a pass on accuracy for being a “funny RUclips guy,” we have a responsibility to be truthful when spreading educational materials, it’s something that should be seen as the bare minimum!
I'm glad this didn't come across as hostile, I generally have an intense camera presence and I feared you'd think that intensity was directed at you. Also, lol, that thumbnail. It's just the funniest thing I've ever made, it's so stupid, I love it. Your passion and diligence shines through in your work, and I absolutely can relate to slowly improving at this over time. I did a Fall of the Aztec video last year which absolutely broke and rebuilt my brain. My earlier Rome videos had a really sloppy methodology behind them, and I'm lucky the things turned out as well as they did. This video itself would have never happened if Benjamin Isaac didn't write "The Invention of Racism in Classical Antiquity" which inspired even further Israeli historians down the line to approach Rome from a multicultural perspective which has been invaluable. Regardless, it's hard to prove a negative. Herodotus has been vindicated at times, as he claimed Scythians used leather made from human skin for their arrow quivers, a clearly prejudiced and absurd claim based on stereotypes of the "wild" nomads of the Steppe, but that has revealed itself to have at least some factual basis. www.livescience.com/archaeology/ancient-scythians-used-human-skin-for-leather-confirming-herodotus-grisly-claim Culture is so powerful, and my concern for my argument is that I am, fundamentally, saying there are some things in human nature that culture just can't overcome. If Polyaenus had been closer to the event (culturally and chronologically) I would consider it really dubious, but probably true in some way. There's a reason the Romans discussed that part of Egyptian religion to such an extent, it was true. But the specific act of letting yourself be conquered by Persians in order to save some animals is the most brutal insult I've ever heard. From a Macedonian historian in the 2nd-century AD? That is a horrible, horrible insult. The equivalent of accusing someone of giving their wife head, which was, inexplicably, a horrible insult from a Roman. I think the thing that really broke my brain with the Aztec thing is that Cortes would say something in his letters, then historians would repeat it, and somewhere along the way everyone forgets that Cortes was, demonstrably, an untrustworthy man who didn't understand everything he saw and heard. I used to do the "well everyone is saying it!"-thing and after the Aztec project I can't anymore. Anyway, I've been a fan of yours for awhile and whenever I get too optimistic about human nature I watch your video on "The Worst Radioactive Ideas in Human History". It means a lot to me that you enjoyed the video!
At least as a viewer of both of your excellent RUclips content I think I really enjoy when you both disclose the doubtfulness of a source because afterwards, I've noticed both creators use it as a jumping off point to hit on something interesting or weird or fascinating that might've been lost if you take a source at face value. And as someone who has a Bachelor's in History Education that shit is always hard to do when you present a source to a brand-new audience, so the fact that you own up to a mistake is good. Great content from both of yall, excited to see the podcast with the two of yall. =)
When George RR Martin talks about what inspired him to write Fire & Blood as a history book he mentions that he was writing an unpublished book about a journalist that worked in the Pulitzer Building (New York World Building). A building that was said to tower over the competition "The new york sun" journal and people joked how Pulitzer could spit down the sun. This building also was considered the tallest skycrapers in the whole city upon completion and then it was demolished in 1955-56. So when George started digging (in a time without the internet) about the details of the building, he found many sources and some even with contradictions for a simple thing as how many stories the building had. This building existed 70 years ago and he couldnt even get a proper source of such an obvious detail, now imagine that but from historians writing hundreds of years after the facts and you can understand why history ends up being a frustrating mess of contradictions, false facts and hearsay with a pinch of personal bias from the historian. He also gives an example about the inspiration for the red wedding, the black dinner of scotland and how its detail and theatric presentation was probably embelished after the facts.
It's indeed the real state of the world we're livin in. Quotes "Nothing is true, everything is permitted", "Reality is stranger than fiction", & "History were written by the victors" struck deeply into me about our preferences with histories. It's always about our deep bias & preference to make it seems dat history is easier & digestible to us, just some common folks livin with electricity, cleaner water, & rapid misinformation. But with human indecisiveness in adhering to one opinion or statement, we're probably just playin telephone games at this point. Not to discredit the works of modern historians since they dedicate their lives to compile a cohesive historical timeline for us, the common folks to easily understand the twisted & violent pasts. It's nearly impossible to extract the definitive truth from the past with some manuscripts that may filled with lies & trinkets. That being said, I kinda wondered what the future generation will think about our time in history. Will our era be the Great Turning Point in human progress or The Great Mediocracy.
@@autruff18 Our time will be remembered as, "Holy shit they had access to all of this information and technological advancement and they did THIS to their children? They let WHO (not the World Health Organization but that works too I guess) run their nations? You're telling me they had massive street parades for WHAT and didn't outright send these people to mental hospitals - oh wait they closed those down and just turned the insane out into broad society? How did that society last for as long as it did?" That's assuming all this won't be buried and forgotten then classified as taboo knowledge by whatever overlord or corrupted governing body rises to power in the coming centuries and wants to continue all this nonsense because it serves their power by keeping people fragmented.
@@autruff18 The writting is on the wall for me, we are heading towards dark times as a species. Despite the great effort of modern historians their voices are only heard by niche communities willing to expose themselves to such lengthy and boring details. We live in times were attention span is shorter, opinions are uninformed and confirmation bias + appeal to authority run amok even though everyone has the perfect tool (The internet) to dig themselves out from ignorance. Cobbler's entire video, jokes aside, just exposes the tip of the iceberg of how said fallacies spread even if the youtuber has no ill-intention. Best part overall is that these fallacies have existed since ancient times, i even dare to claim they are part of our brain and the way it has evolved, but the difference from now and then lies in the reach, scale and impact they can have.
@@valhatan3907 I’d tell you you insulted my entire culture, but I’ve lived in The United States of America for everyday but the first eight months of my life. So you can insult me in English.
@@valhatan3907This is my motivation for why I'm slowly, and very unsteadily, figuring out Mandarin and Indonesian. Or, one of the Indonesian ones, anyway, I haven't figured it out yet.
@@mortarion9813 coba aja kalo bisa paham bahasa gaul setelah belajar bahasa Indo (yang notabene ngajarin formal ketimbang gaul), gw kasih selamat lo kimak 🤣
I lowkey missed his media analysis videos. They were so fucking cool. The history shit is cool don’t get me wrong but watching him go on 20 minutes into a video and only then finally address what the video is actually about but having all that build up pay off is what I live for.
When I first heard that quote I thought it meant "I made it the fuck up [in life]!" instead of "I made up the evidence!" AKA "I'm in the position to make up stuff."
The fact I spent the majority of the past week binging back through BlueJay and Cobbler videos and then this pops up can’t be a coincidence. Our NSA agents are all in cahoots fellas
@@thatguyoverthere9705 herodotus is a writer who we famously have little or no evidence to support or disprove their claims as other works from the time are lost due to just how long ago he was writing. Using herodotus as a source is essentially going "there ain't jack shit to compare to, this man is all I got" as a result inaccuracies and false information present in his work cannot be fully dissproven as he does not state his own sources and clearly held certain cities and nations in higher regard than others at points. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with using herodotus but all he says must be used with a grain of salt as he is (most of the time) impossible to fact check, and when we can fact check him there have been mixed results
Im kinda confused here. Cicero was Roman, so why are italian students learning about him in specific (seemingly to a high degree)? Or is it something similar to Brits reading Shakespear in school or Germans reading Goethe?
@@LiftandCoa it is exactly like that, though to be fair, only for those who study latin in highschool. There you often have to translate short texts into italian, and since Cicero wrote so. Damn. Much he is a pretty common choice. His amazing rhetorical arguments and beautiful figures of speech make it a nightmare for every student trying not only to understand what the FUCK he is going on about, but also to rewrite it into italian in a way your teacher will find appropriate.
@Jesse-xg8rk only 10-20 percent of homosexuals are monogamous. they also would have called them kinnaidos or "cistern assed" and osstracized them from society. Greeks werent gay. If they were real they're a team of squire -knight style pairings with brotherly camaraderie. But because they "loved eachother", they pretend they fucked.
To be fair, a lot of history is people being unbelievable stupid. Just imagine the wild stuff future generations are going to need to triple check about us
Wisdom is knowing herodotus was wrong. Enlightenement is realizing herodotus was right. Edit: For example his story about scythians wearing human skin was proved right just this december by archeological finds, while being declared wrong for hundreds of years
Or just a sign of need when you're nomadic and depend on your animals so you don't want to kill em but you do have some bodies around that have been stripped of all valuables. Tho id assume that human leather isn't that great compared to thicker animal hide
@earningattorney9887 that time he MURDERED ROMANS WITHOUT A TRIAL!?? You know, he isn't even a proper ROMAN, he's a country boy who loves Sicilians I tell ya he can't be trusted. Seriously though Cicero I respect more than any other Roman in that mess. The ultimate poster, posted so hard they used his hands and tongue as a trophy
@@hiddenleafguy4576 Is it? I wouldn't know, I tuned out after 8 seconds because there wasn't subway surfers footage at the bottom to keet my attention.
@oilybat3269 You can read it like that if you want, or you can look at the content of the video and realize that the thesis of the video is "This is how historical racism impacts our perception of historical events." Racism is still integral to the video, its just that BlueJay was not an active participant.
I'd like to address the comment section: History teachers are not necessarily schizophrenic. ART History teachers are, on account of the various chemicals they are exposed to. Archaeologists are also like this, to a lesser extent, due to heatstroke and licking ancient debris. History teachers are generally just sleep deprived and stressed, which may make them unhinged. This man is however bridging the gap between the two and thus I expect great things from him, for good or ill
… Yeah, some people imagine that since the modern conception of race is relatively recent, there was no racism before a certain point. Nah, ancient peoples were racist as *fuck* a lot of the time, they just divided people into nations or cultural people groups instead of along modern racial lines.
@@williamchamberlain2263Did you just call him a racist for making a - correct - statement? If anything a nebolous term like "modern racial lines" stikes ones as worse in that regard than the term "phenotypes". As the latter is a scientific term, while the first one isnt daring to call a spade a spade. Bruh
See, the illustration from the world history website isn't the cats running into battle fearlessly, it is the cats running away from the Persians thinking that they might pin them to their shields and finding safety in the Egyptians who treat them like gods. Honest and understandable mistake
the general loss of sanity of Cobbler can be directly linked to the increased rate of balding he is currently experiencing. (This assumes he could still be considered sane however)
historians: doing any research ancient Romans: writing as much fanfic as possible just to f*ck with them I've seen this happen in other stuff to like food history, there are those few ancient roman writers who just loved to make sh*t up
Historians from 100 years from now is fucked. Imagine how much propaganda, marketing, false reviews, etc they have to shift through before even finding a scent of the truth.
Small correction: Egypt was ruled by Egyptians post 1952, after the revolution. First Mohamed Naguib between 1952 and 1954 and after, more famously, Nasser.
Based. I dunno about you guys, but the hairy creatures that creep around my state capital demanding the "right" to access children and rearrange said children's genitalia with knives seem to have harmful opinions, yet I'm the one who gets slapped with hate crime charges for saying maybe they're bonkers.
I fucking knew, I FUCKING knew, he was gonna mention Heroditus as being a more trustworthy source when he was setting up that joke but even so that joke still killed me. Thank you for your funny words, you funny man. I really needed it after the day I had at work lmao.
Honestly when I saw this recommended having never seen your channel before, I didn't know what I was in for, but this was really fun and informative. Kudos!
Poggers, the internet characters are starting historical beef. I love me some “historians throwing books at each other.” It’s always really fucking funny.
Probs cobbler. Talked to LP a few times. Dude let me know someone was trying to catfish him with my pics. LP is way more down to earth 1 on 1, v cool dude
I broke into a cold sweat when I saw that thumbnail, and it’s been non-stop ever since! My socks are wet, and the nails on my right hand are peeling off. Thank you, Mr. Cobbler!
Hey there Mister Cobbler, long time viewer and I just wanted my first comment on one of your videos to hopefully inspire you as they have me. The way you write is genuinely genius and I cannot stress enough how often I am left in awe by your ability to throw in the wildest lines known to man that still sounds like something you'd read in a textbook. You're one of my inspirations for my eventual attempts at writing a script on topics I'm passionate about. Also your body proportions scare me, please get even larger
@@lil__shmeat that's not a problem. You can like what you like for no or any reasons. The problem is that too many people associate likes with good, aka "I like this X (car, plane, game, movie) therefore it is good" and then stupidly nail their self-worth to it. "I like this, therefore it is good because I, a competent, capable, smart, intelligent, valuable, etc. person am never wrong and would not like trash and would never fall for cheap tricks".
Herodotus wasn't a trusted source when he was alive, let alone now. But I guess he's the only one we have left...unless the Vatican underground library holds the truth..😅
I started coming here for gaming videos. So why was i almost but not quite disappointed when i found out the next one isnt another history essay? I love this channel.
But at the same time... to say that DJ Cobbler doesn't make absolute CINEMA every single time he makes a history essay would be a lie. That's where his passion is. It's pretty apparent. Lol.
@@skechers28227 yea he’s free to do whatever he wants, but I would’ve loved a stalker 2 video (granted idk if he’s done done tbh, people always saw something and and do another)
This is why you need a certain level of suspicion towards your sources. People are biased. They lie. They obfuscate. They misremember or forget. Worst of all they can mix truth in with the lies. Honestly, the most you can get from a source is how the person who wrote that source viewed the subject in question. If you're lucky, it's a window to how his/her culture viewed the event.
Now I have the question of if this historian was doubly racist. On the one hand "hurr durr, Egyptians so committed to religion they submitted to slaughter rather than maybe hurt a widdle kitty." On the other hand, I'm convinced that not only because he lists them herding cats, but herding them together with so many other animals that given other circumstances would be running from each other as fast as possible *and on top of that* herding them straight into a fucking war... Yeah, at this point I'm convinced the Persians were the first Magical Indian tropes in history.
I don't think people actually appreciate how much of an exception Herodotus is in comparison to most other ancient sources. Sure like 70% of the histories he wrote down were either completely or mostly useless thanks to mistranslations, misunderstandings and generational biases. But he was actually interested in atleast attempting to record impartial histories. Alot of other ancient to medieval sources were much more interested in peddling a story, loosely based on history with all the parts that made their patrons look bad removed or downplayed and all the parts that made their patrons enemies look incompetent or cruel over exaggerated to ridiculous degree.
In other words, even if it had actually happened, do you really think no one would have fought back? Knowing what would happen if they lost, do you really think those soldiers, trying to defend their home, wouldn't have fallen upon that sword if it meant protecting their friends and family? There are christians who are soldiers, and if they were fighting an enemy, and they knew that fighting those people was going to be considered blasphemy, and they were likely to go to hell for it, but not fighting them meant their friends and family would suffer and probably die, they would likely still fight, because the sin is with them and not their family, if their family lives they they may consider it a fair trade. I can see the same thing happening even if everything said was true, which is one of the ways you can tell it isn't.
If it doesn't get funded in time and I don't get my plush, because you didn't advertise it I will find you and I will make you listen to late mediaval histories you sob! You'll have to try again soon!
Funny, I had a conversation just yesterday with a friend who asked me if it was possible to make a video game that was able to teach the facts of history without propaganda. I told him that I don't believe that is possible, because without infinite scope, you are forced to chose some facts to present over others, and the facts you chose will reflect your own narrative. I see Carr has phased it far more eloquently than I did.
First of all, great video on a great subject. I read the description, and that's where I found out you where pivoting away from gaming videos. I love your art, whatever the subject is. I've loved every single video of yours I've seen. But I feel the need to express sorrow. Your gaming videos are my favorite essays about video games on youtube. I loved your way of linking gaming subjects with non gaming subjects. I found it all very elegant and learned a lot from them. But I am not complaining. It's your art, and you go where the passion leads you. Your history videos are definitely incredible, and I will keep watching them the second I see them pop up. But I will miss those gaming videos.
Counterpoint: The Romans themselves (as well as various other peoples in the ancient world) are well known for using various animals in battle. They regarded the Molossian dog as one of the best battle animals, and it's well known that snakes and vipers or even beehives being put into pots to launch via catapult at the enemy were tactics used during sieges, not to mention war elephants. And I know this because I bought all the DLC to Rome 2: Total War, the best source of all things historical regarding Rome!
It’s disgustingly interesting on how hard it is to have accurate histories on, anything basically. The amount of reading between the lines and having to source what’s barely there to source to get a half fractured narrative.
Wasn't sure where to put this but is there anyway to get the new plushie before its ship date, im going to be deploying soon and I wanna take the Roman Plushie to egypt and iraq with me
Hey DJ, cool video and all, but what are you going to do about that rapidly receding hairline of yours? No half measures. Either you bald your head and become a Great Value Jason Statham, or use some of those sweet youtube bucks to buy yourself a wig or something.
When I (as a kid) first heard the modern version of the story I was like "oh, yeah, this could've totally happened, those Egyptians and their cats, amirite?". It's wild how even to this day so many people still believe in what is essentially ancient racial stereotypes. Only after learning about the importance of the battle in THIS one video did I start to think "Ok, if the independence of Egypt was at stake, then there's no way they would surrender like that, even if it was because of their religion".
Richard Bone WHEN I first came to Spoon River I did not know whether what they told me Was true or false. They would bring me the epitaph And stand around the shop while I worked And say “He was so kind,” “He was wonderful,” “She was the sweetest woman,” “He was a consistent Christian.” And I chiseled for them whatever they wished, All in ignorance of its truth. But later, as I lived among the people here, I knew how near to the life Were the epitaphs that were ordered for them as they died. But still I chiseled whatever they paid me to chisel And made myself party to the false chronicles Of the stones, Even as the historian does who writes Without knowing the truth, Or because he is influenced to hide it. Edgar Lee master.
Thumbnail gave me a heart attack, lmao.
First off, let me just say this video is super well made and hilarious, definitely gonna be checking out more of your shenanigans!
Being in the business of "weird, obscure history," most of my time in the video process is spent on research; trying to sift through all the bs stories and factoids out there (looking at you "topless duel between a countess and princess" and "CIA dropping condoms in the Soviet Union"). I take a lot of pride in my research, and I make a great effort trying to weave together historical accuracy and comedy without spreading straight up misinformation.
Naturally, when tackling "weird, obscure history" you're often faced with stories from limited sources of questionable merit, and it's up to you to use research, logic, and reasoning to judge its authenticity accordingly. This is something I have always, and more increasingly over time, taken very seriously. Around the time of the video in question's research period, I was rather new to-and still learning-how to properly and fully research a story's authenticity (still am; it's a process one always can improve!). I believe, if I were to tackle the same video today, I still would have told the story, but I would have tackled it from a different angle.
In my research for the Battle of Pelusium, I had doubt from the beginning of its authenticity. I mean, you covered it well, the concept of an army losing ‘cuz cat’ is pretty absurd. I read Polyaenus’ very short account of the story, and I did note that the account by Herodotus noticeably lacked any mention of cats or the other animals. So my process for verifying this story was as follows:
1. I knew about the often dubious reliability of Herodotus’ work. His account on the actual battle itself was remarkably scarce of much detail at all, leading me to believe he didn’t invest much time and effort in recording the smaller details of the battle. I believed, if this cat and sacred animal story was true, it probably happened to a much less sensational degree and affected the outcome of the battle less dramatic than modern day articles would make you believe. So, if it truly was a less significant detail, I can see how Herodotus might have missed it in his sparse account. Furthermore, a lot of what Herodotus covered pertained to post-battle, the details of which have been argued to be false by later historians. And finally, a lot of what he did was walk around and kick some skeletons. When I saw he claimed Egyptians had “thicker skulls” than Persians and therefore didn’t need head protection, I lost trust in him and perhaps too easily dismissed the discrepancy between his account and Polyaenus’.
2. My research at the time into Polyaenus led me to believe he could be considered a bit more than a somewhat trustworthy resource. I had read scholarly papers who attempted to track down his sources for his Stratagems concerning Alexander, and while it seemed like there were times he made small mistakes and minor embellishments, I could still believe in some kind of truth in the Battle of Pelusium account. When covering obscure topics like this, especially ancient topics, I believe a certain degree of faith is required when learning about history.
3. The more you dig into so many stories, the more you find potential holes and doubts in them. That was definitely the case with this story and then some, but as I could still see a case for its authenticity (particularly with how often not only the story, but Polyaenus had been cited by other writers), I decided to tell it.
4. There are a lot of accounts on how seriously Egyptians revered and respected animals, Diodorus Siculus had even reported to have seen Egyptians lynch a Roman for accidentally killing a cat, even when Pharaoh Ptolemy XII tried to intervene. Knowing how seriously Egyptians respected animals, I could somewhat see a scenario where seeing sacred animals on the battlefield could have been the straw that broke the camels back for Egyptian troops who may have been suffering low morale.
I actually briefly covered the doubts (such as how long after the fact Polyaenus’ account was written) about the stories authenticity in my “director’s commentary” of the video on my second channel, RedJay. I did not, at the time, have the level of insight into Greek/Roman racist perceptions of Egyptians that you covered in this video. I am also quite embarrassed that I relayed the fact about “painting the image of Bastet on their shields” without realizing there wasn’t an original source for this claim. In my mind, I was more worried about the authenticity of the ‘animals being present at all’ part of the story as I could more easily believe some soldiers painted an image of their enemies god mockingly than literally throwing cats around in a battlefield.
I can't say I'm 100% convinced this story is entirely without merit, but I can say I doubt it's authenticity significantly more after your excellent analysis. The point about Polyaenus having written it so many years after the fact is a very valid criticism of its authenticity; however, this for me fell into my aforementioned “faith” point. I chose to assume that because this happened so so long ago, that Polyaenus probably had access to sources that may no longer exist today. The only evidence that I have that he might have is a scholarly article by Historian N. G. L. Hammond where he attempts to identify some of Polyaenus’ sources (since he didn’t cite them, which is definitely a red flag) and fails to track specific sources for a few of his claims about Alexander. That could just as easily mean those claims are false, however.
I’m definitely far less confident that this story happened, in fact I agree it most likely didn’t happen, you made a very good and convincing argument in this video. I don’t regret covering the story in my video, but I DO regret not disclosing more explicitly how doubtful this story is, similar to how I disclosed the doubtfulness of the “balloon duel” story in my Historic Duels video. I saved that discussion for my second channel video, which I now find to be an irresponsible decision. Since I saw your video I spent a lot of time (and far less sleep) doubling over my previous research and digging into Polyaenus’ reliability deeper, finding now that he was a lot more questionable than I was initially led to believe.
Like I said before, I had often prided myself with how “devil in the details” I can get researching stories to find the truth, having gone as far as self-translating centuries old French court documents in the past. So, it sucks that I made a mistake here. My biggest mistake with this story was being too quick to trust the word of Polyaenus who I had assumed to be reliable instead of properly digging into this man (metaphorically) so that I could more accurately cover the doubtfulness of this story.
Super good video dude, and I genuinely appreciate you calling me out on this. I think it’s a good thing to do and something that should probably be done more often on this fever dream website. While some people give me a pass on accuracy for being a “funny RUclips guy,” we have a responsibility to be truthful when spreading educational materials, it’s something that should be seen as the bare minimum!
I'm glad this didn't come across as hostile, I generally have an intense camera presence and I feared you'd think that intensity was directed at you. Also, lol, that thumbnail. It's just the funniest thing I've ever made, it's so stupid, I love it.
Your passion and diligence shines through in your work, and I absolutely can relate to slowly improving at this over time. I did a Fall of the Aztec video last year which absolutely broke and rebuilt my brain. My earlier Rome videos had a really sloppy methodology behind them, and I'm lucky the things turned out as well as they did. This video itself would have never happened if Benjamin Isaac didn't write "The Invention of Racism in Classical Antiquity" which inspired even further Israeli historians down the line to approach Rome from a multicultural perspective which has been invaluable.
Regardless, it's hard to prove a negative. Herodotus has been vindicated at times, as he claimed Scythians used leather made from human skin for their arrow quivers, a clearly prejudiced and absurd claim based on stereotypes of the "wild" nomads of the Steppe, but that has revealed itself to have at least some factual basis.
www.livescience.com/archaeology/ancient-scythians-used-human-skin-for-leather-confirming-herodotus-grisly-claim
Culture is so powerful, and my concern for my argument is that I am, fundamentally, saying there are some things in human nature that culture just can't overcome. If Polyaenus had been closer to the event (culturally and chronologically) I would consider it really dubious, but probably true in some way. There's a reason the Romans discussed that part of Egyptian religion to such an extent, it was true. But the specific act of letting yourself be conquered by Persians in order to save some animals is the most brutal insult I've ever heard. From a Macedonian historian in the 2nd-century AD? That is a horrible, horrible insult. The equivalent of accusing someone of giving their wife head, which was, inexplicably, a horrible insult from a Roman.
I think the thing that really broke my brain with the Aztec thing is that Cortes would say something in his letters, then historians would repeat it, and somewhere along the way everyone forgets that Cortes was, demonstrably, an untrustworthy man who didn't understand everything he saw and heard. I used to do the "well everyone is saying it!"-thing and after the Aztec project I can't anymore.
Anyway, I've been a fan of yours for awhile and whenever I get too optimistic about human nature I watch your video on "The Worst Radioactive Ideas in Human History". It means a lot to me that you enjoyed the video!
At least as a viewer of both of your excellent RUclips content I think I really enjoy when you both disclose the doubtfulness of a source because afterwards, I've noticed both creators use it as a jumping off point to hit on something interesting or weird or fascinating that might've been lost if you take a source at face value. And as someone who has a Bachelor's in History Education that shit is always hard to do when you present a source to a brand-new audience, so the fact that you own up to a mistake is good. Great content from both of yall, excited to see the podcast with the two of yall. =)
Now kiss.
I ain't reading allat
Looks like we got some yappers on our hands
I cant believe dj peach cobbler finally got over his year long autistic fixation on the conquistadors. We are all so proud of you.
I hope not. He's not finished yet
@@samreddig8819 If you read the description it says he's planning to do the Maya next. There's still hope for you conquistaboos.
lol, lmao, even
He did bring up montezuma and cortez though😂
@@DJPeachCobblerone could perhaps even say “heehee”
I remember when cobbler still made an attempt to have hair
The west has truly fallen
It scattered like the cats on an egyptian battlefield
He's getting closer to his dream of being a senior citizen, alright.
more like the north, just one side would look weird
I want to give my hair to him, too bad its fucking brown.... I WANT HIM TO BE PERFECT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
He looks like he keeps pages of the turner dairies and the crustry tissues he used while reading in a ziploc bag
" He's not racist, I'm racist" best quotes of all time
When George RR Martin talks about what inspired him to write Fire & Blood as a history book he mentions that he was writing an unpublished book about a journalist that worked in the Pulitzer Building (New York World Building). A building that was said to tower over the competition "The new york sun" journal and people joked how Pulitzer could spit down the sun. This building also was considered the tallest skycrapers in the whole city upon completion and then it was demolished in 1955-56.
So when George started digging (in a time without the internet) about the details of the building, he found many sources and some even with contradictions for a simple thing as how many stories the building had. This building existed 70 years ago and he couldnt even get a proper source of such an obvious detail, now imagine that but from historians writing hundreds of years after the facts and you can understand why history ends up being a frustrating mess of contradictions, false facts and hearsay with a pinch of personal bias from the historian. He also gives an example about the inspiration for the red wedding, the black dinner of scotland and how its detail and theatric presentation was probably embelished after the facts.
It's indeed the real state of the world we're livin in. Quotes "Nothing is true, everything is permitted", "Reality is stranger than fiction", & "History were written by the victors" struck deeply into me about our preferences with histories. It's always about our deep bias & preference to make it seems dat history is easier & digestible to us, just some common folks livin with electricity, cleaner water, & rapid misinformation. But with human indecisiveness in adhering to one opinion or statement, we're probably just playin telephone games at this point.
Not to discredit the works of modern historians since they dedicate their lives to compile a cohesive historical timeline for us, the common folks to easily understand the twisted & violent pasts. It's nearly impossible to extract the definitive truth from the past with some manuscripts that may filled with lies & trinkets. That being said, I kinda wondered what the future generation will think about our time in history. Will our era be the Great Turning Point in human progress or The Great Mediocracy.
@@autruff18 Our time will be remembered as, "Holy shit they had access to all of this information and technological advancement and they did THIS to their children? They let WHO (not the World Health Organization but that works too I guess) run their nations? You're telling me they had massive street parades for WHAT and didn't outright send these people to mental hospitals - oh wait they closed those down and just turned the insane out into broad society? How did that society last for as long as it did?"
That's assuming all this won't be buried and forgotten then classified as taboo knowledge by whatever overlord or corrupted governing body rises to power in the coming centuries and wants to continue all this nonsense because it serves their power by keeping people fragmented.
@@autruff18 The writting is on the wall for me, we are heading towards dark times as a species. Despite the great effort of modern historians their voices are only heard by niche communities willing to expose themselves to such lengthy and boring details. We live in times were attention span is shorter, opinions are uninformed and confirmation bias + appeal to authority run amok even though everyone has the perfect tool (The internet) to dig themselves out from ignorance.
Cobbler's entire video, jokes aside, just exposes the tip of the iceberg of how said fallacies spread even if the youtuber has no ill-intention. Best part overall is that these fallacies have existed since ancient times, i even dare to claim they are part of our brain and the way it has evolved, but the difference from now and then lies in the reach, scale and impact they can have.
@@autruff18 nowadays we still have the problem that there's a bias to interpret history from a modern perspective
Or… Jew York is full of liars?
Man’s taking “ I learned about other cultures to be racist more accurately” to another level
As Southeast Asian that often 'racist' at others southeast Asian this is the same motivation at why I learn Tagalog.
@@valhatan3907
I’d tell you you insulted my entire culture, but I’ve lived in The United States of America for everyday but the first eight months of my life. So you can insult me in English.
I didn't even know people were taking this to the first level. Any level at all. It doesn't seem like a common thing to me, tbh
@@valhatan3907This is my motivation for why I'm slowly, and very unsteadily, figuring out Mandarin and Indonesian.
Or, one of the Indonesian ones, anyway, I haven't figured it out yet.
@@mortarion9813 coba aja kalo bisa paham bahasa gaul setelah belajar bahasa Indo (yang notabene ngajarin formal ketimbang gaul), gw kasih selamat lo kimak 🤣
Watching Cobbler go from a gaming channel to sitting on a pile of garbage to rant about ancient history is what I live for.
I thought he started on a pile of garbage lmao
I lowkey missed his media analysis videos. They were so fucking cool. The history shit is cool don’t get me wrong but watching him go on 20 minutes into a video and only then finally address what the video is actually about but having all that build up pay off is what I live for.
The fuck? That stuff is not garbage
The fuck? That stuff is not garbage
The fuck? That stuff is not garbage
I can’t decide if cobbler is beginning to look like an actual history teacher, or just more schizophrenic
edit: balls
This assumes there's actually a distinction between the two ;)
The ol' Unabomber route
Both
Yes
Why did you say the same thing twice as if it were two distinct things?
"My source is I made it the fuck up" - Multiple Anus Man, a hot minute ago.
When I first heard that quote I thought it meant "I made it the fuck up [in life]!" instead of "I made up the evidence!"
AKA "I'm in the position to make up stuff."
It certainly could be read as, "I made *whatever it is* the incredible fuck - up it is today.
That’s good. I’m stealing that.
Not one stick of chalk consumed, nor a mention of Doom Eternal. We are truly in dark times
He mentioned Montezuma and Cortes, that's enough for me.
"I'm racist, who cares" - Dj Peach Cobbler, 2024.
Also love to see history based channels holding each other accountable.
Based* history based channels
Meh, history buffs/historians in general can only get hard if they correct each other
based on what? history?
Read this as:
"I am a racist who cares ❤"
@@ObscureParadox5994so racism to call based cringe
My thirst for ancient racism videos is unquenchable.
your pfp checks out.
We need that Rome's view on Egypt Video.
@@mylesjude233 We do
As a white man with a personality entirely revolved around my knowledge of ancient Rome, I agree.
@@jackdaniel3135 high-five! Who needs therapy???
It's nice to have a history youtuber-on-youtuber video where the drama ratings are rock-bottom and it's all about the Sauces.
Sauce in the source
That's literally drama between historians in a nutshell tho.
Ketchup
"It's time to cancel Cicero."
I would've assumed we'd done that long ago.
It can't done.
Practically everything we know about The Late Republic derives from Cicero.
Well ok there's Julius Caesar.
The Triumvirate already did
if you’re sitting on trash, drinking in the sun, wearing us army gear, and gun fire adjacent it’s redundant to say you’re in texas
Why not Kentucky or Tennessee?
Or just about anywhere outside of a city or suburbs lol.
it still makes me giggle yall have to put your drinks in brown paper bags when outside lol
love it when cobbler posts right when you are given free time in this cruel world
He knows when the wagie hours end.
The fact I spent the majority of the past week binging back through BlueJay and Cobbler videos and then this pops up can’t be a coincidence. Our NSA agents are all in cahoots fellas
We do it for you 💕
@@DJPeachCobbler kinda fruity
@@glizzysniffer3448 even... Peachy
"Sometimes Herodotus is the best source you have"
Dear god
It's true, it's true.
The Big H gets a lot wrong, but also a lot right.
*sobs in people thinking slaves built the pyramids*
(BTW that's the funniest comment I've seen in a while)
Currently studying the Persian invasions of Greece under Darius and Xerxes. I watched this video on release and now finally get the joke
@@lilyofthatvelleyI don’t, could you please explain if to me?
@@thatguyoverthere9705 herodotus is a writer who we famously have little or no evidence to support or disprove their claims as other works from the time are lost due to just how long ago he was writing. Using herodotus as a source is essentially going "there ain't jack shit to compare to, this man is all I got" as a result inaccuracies and false information present in his work cannot be fully dissproven as he does not state his own sources and clearly held certain cities and nations in higher regard than others at points. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with using herodotus but all he says must be used with a grain of salt as he is (most of the time) impossible to fact check, and when we can fact check him there have been mixed results
8:18
"It’s time to cancel Cicero"
*all italian students liked that*
che incubo cicerone
Im kinda confused here.
Cicero was Roman, so why are italian students learning about him in specific (seemingly to a high degree)?
Or is it something similar to Brits reading Shakespear in school or Germans reading Goethe?
@@LiftandCoa it is exactly like that, though to be fair, only for those who study latin in highschool. There you often have to translate short texts into italian, and since Cicero wrote so. Damn. Much he is a pretty common choice. His amazing rhetorical arguments and beautiful figures of speech make it a nightmare for every student trying not only to understand what the FUCK he is going on about, but also to rewrite it into italian in a way your teacher will find appropriate.
“History is written by the writers, who also just happen to really hate the losers” -DJ
thank you for being brave enough to come out as a balding middle age man
Oh come on bro he is not middle aged. He is just dying give him a break.
He's 27
@@TheTGOAC
He's younger than I am, I sure hope he just cut his hair like that for the video and not actual early onset MPB
@@xqt6339some people start balding when they're still teenagers. It just happens.
@@TheTGOAC jfc he's only 4 years older than me? It's so joever
They say that balding is a genetic signal for wisdom, Cobbler is truly one of the greatest historians of our era.
Saying the ability to be wise is genetically inherited sounds a hell of a lot like eugenics propo
@@lemonlordminecraftWhich is based
@@lemonlordminecraftdon’t worry; no one is intentionally trying to breed with bald men.
@@kgb4150 objectively false, ftfy
@@lemonlordminecraft
Soylent enjoyer spotted
Amazing how many historical records can be countered with "Wait a minute. That's stupid."
It's like the sacred band of thebes
You're telling me you found all the gay soldiers in the city state, and they were monogamous?
@6036000 Since they were Ancient Greek, I assumed they had found all of the *monogomous* gay soldiers in the city-state.
@Jesse-xg8rk only 10-20 percent of homosexuals are monogamous.
they also would have called them kinnaidos or "cistern assed" and osstracized them from society.
Greeks werent gay.
If they were real they're a team of squire -knight style pairings with brotherly camaraderie. But because they "loved eachother", they pretend they fucked.
@@Jesse-xg8rk another one is that greeks just molested all the boys they were training to be the upper echelon of society
To be fair, a lot of history is people being unbelievable stupid. Just imagine the wild stuff future generations are going to need to triple check about us
Plottwist: Cobbler did all this to ask Blue Ray to start a podcast
I would listen to every last second of the podcast, then kill myself because I had fulfilled my life’s purpose
@@StannyboyyyyyyLol, that escalated quickly.
"We're going to read poetry."
Oh god.
"....written by a conservative."
OH GOD.
I sometimes forget that this man doesn't live in a mystical dessert wonderland.
dessert wonderland? it looks like he spends all his time eating desserts.
I like cremes! And knaffe with ice cream!
Like konami got dropped into an n64 game
He does, this is but a brief bit of savanna
Texas is pretty much that.
Can't wait for BlueJay to see the thumbnail and just be like ".... dude what the fuck"
It has happened
“Dude… uncool”
I felt my blood pressure spike when I saw cobbler posted again.
Stroke or heart attack very likely
I’m terrified that he will escape soon
@@jackson15williamsstress
@@jackson15williamsor treated his symptomatic hypotension/shock
I am literally feeling his blood pressure now that he's pushing 250 lbs
"This is not going to be a 20-30 minutes..."
Video length is 19:58, fucking gold.
Wisdom is knowing herodotus was wrong.
Enlightenement is realizing herodotus was right.
Edit: For example his story about scythians wearing human skin was proved right just this december by archeological finds, while being declared wrong for hundreds of years
That's messed up, but also pretty good way to scare anyone.
Or just a sign of need when you're nomadic and depend on your animals so you don't want to kill em but you do have some bodies around that have been stripped of all valuables.
Tho id assume that human leather isn't that great compared to thicker animal hide
@@a_lethe_ion If you put multiple layers and then sew them together it could make it decent.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944You also get a bonus psychological damage.
There's a lot of shit Cicero said he could get cancelled for.
Did he ever tell you that time he stopped the Cataline conspiracy?
Cheechayro
@earningattorney9887 that time he MURDERED ROMANS WITHOUT A TRIAL!?? You know, he isn't even a proper ROMAN, he's a country boy who loves Sicilians I tell ya he can't be trusted.
Seriously though Cicero I respect more than any other Roman in that mess. The ultimate poster, posted so hard they used his hands and tongue as a trophy
@@TheBushwizardhe technically got cancelled in the ancient way you know octavian's murder lists
The guy from skyrim?
Ya'know, the artist painted those cats running fearlessly into battle and thought to themselves, "seems natural."
They probably thought "well this was a weird commission, at least I got paid"
Who doesn't want to see *Fierce Warrior Cats* in action.
Thumbnail: RACISM?
10 seconds in: “blue jay isn’t racist”
The entire video is about ancient racism dude.
@@hiddenleafguy4576 Is it? I wouldn't know, I tuned out after 8 seconds because there wasn't subway surfers footage at the bottom to keet my attention.
@@hiddenleafguy4576it’s just thumbnail clickbait so it seems like he’s talking about Bluejay being racist
But I am.
@oilybat3269 You can read it like that if you want, or you can look at the content of the video and realize that the thesis of the video is "This is how historical racism impacts our perception of historical events." Racism is still integral to the video, its just that BlueJay was not an active participant.
I'd like to address the comment section:
History teachers are not necessarily schizophrenic. ART History teachers are, on account of the various chemicals they are exposed to.
Archaeologists are also like this, to a lesser extent, due to heatstroke and licking ancient debris.
History teachers are generally just sleep deprived and stressed, which may make them unhinged.
This man is however bridging the gap between the two and thus I expect great things from him, for good or ill
… Yeah, some people imagine that since the modern conception of race is relatively recent, there was no racism before a certain point. Nah, ancient peoples were racist as *fuck* a lot of the time, they just divided people into nations or cultural people groups instead of along modern racial lines.
"modern racial lines." phenotypes.
@@YoY664 okay racist, calm down and put your ruler away
@@williamchamberlain2263Did you just call him a racist for making a - correct - statement?
If anything a nebolous term like "modern racial lines" stikes ones as worse in that regard than the term "phenotypes". As the latter is a scientific term, while the first one isnt daring to call a spade a spade.
Bruh
Me and my friend were both in a call, we then saw this drop and both left the call.
i bet your friend is sexy
Ah yes the good Ole domestic terrorist chat.
(For legal reasons this is a joke)
cherish that friendship
you should have watched it together and discussed! but anyway that's really cool
See, the illustration from the world history website isn't the cats running into battle fearlessly, it is the cats running away from the Persians thinking that they might pin them to their shields and finding safety in the Egyptians who treat them like gods. Honest and understandable mistake
I applaud you for this comment my friend
Holy shit man. You should write some history books
the general loss of sanity of Cobbler can be directly linked to the increased rate of balding he is currently experiencing.
(This assumes he could still be considered sane however)
All the sanity is radiating out of his head now that theres no hair to keep it in
historians: doing any research
ancient Romans: writing as much fanfic as possible just to f*ck with them
I've seen this happen in other stuff to like food history, there are those few ancient roman writers who just loved to make sh*t up
Historians from 100 years from now is fucked. Imagine how much propaganda, marketing, false reviews, etc they have to shift through before even finding a scent of the truth.
I love that the second sentence you speak in this video is admitting the thumbnail is complete clickbait.
Perfection.
Future internet historians will quote DJ PeachCobbler and citing how "hernan cortez beat montezuma to death with a rubber chicken"
Nah Future Internet Historian will just plagiarize him whole cloth. Lol
came for clickbait, stayed for drunk uncle vibes
Same😂
Papa Cobb has blessed us! The human sacrifice worked!
We'd be getting videos more often if you were sacrificing foreskins. Gotta appease the man with the right vibe.
Wait what
@@kobban63Yes!!
Here’s an interesting historical note: the Dallas Cowboys have not won consecutive playoff games since the 1995-96 season.
Oof
an hilarious one as well #Titanup
Small correction: Egypt was ruled by Egyptians post 1952, after the revolution. First Mohamed Naguib between 1952 and 1954 and after, more famously, Nasser.
"Their minds being tainted by harmful opinions" is such a hard line that we absolutely need to bring back
Now we call it "boomer brain rot" or "woke mind virus" depending on what tickles your fancy
fr this shit happens all the time
The entire point of that phrase is that it's Roman Propangada lol
Based. I dunno about you guys, but the hairy creatures that creep around my state capital demanding the "right" to access children and rearrange said children's genitalia with knives seem to have harmful opinions, yet I'm the one who gets slapped with hate crime charges for saying maybe they're bonkers.
This some yearning to be ruled type shit right here
I fucking knew, I FUCKING knew, he was gonna mention Heroditus as being a more trustworthy source when he was setting up that joke but even so that joke still killed me. Thank you for your funny words, you funny man. I really needed it after the day I had at work lmao.
Exactly the kind of schitzo rant I expect from a cobbler video posted at 9:00pm
Blue jay can be racist because the racist community is the most inclusive and diverse community of all. Everyone can join the community ❤
Honestly when I saw this recommended having never seen your channel before, I didn't know what I was in for, but this was really fun and informative. Kudos!
Poggers, the internet characters are starting historical beef.
I love me some “historians throwing books at each other.” It’s always really fucking funny.
Rip dj peach cobblers hair line😢
I cant figure out who is more unhinged at this point DJ Peach Cobbler or LazerPig. More research is needed
Probs cobbler. Talked to LP a few times. Dude let me know someone was trying to catfish him with my pics. LP is way more down to earth 1 on 1, v cool dude
The day this man discovers 40k he is going to explode
"I can't believe I'm arguing with a guy named Josh"
Okay *DJ Peach Cobbler*
I broke into a cold sweat when I saw that thumbnail, and it’s been non-stop ever since! My socks are wet, and the nails on my right hand are peeling off. Thank you, Mr. Cobbler!
Hey there Mister Cobbler, long time viewer and I just wanted my first comment on one of your videos to hopefully inspire you as they have me. The way you write is genuinely genius and I cannot stress enough how often I am left in awe by your ability to throw in the wildest lines known to man that still sounds like something you'd read in a textbook. You're one of my inspirations for my eventual attempts at writing a script on topics I'm passionate about. Also your body proportions scare me, please get even larger
I’ll be honest I thought the A-10 was a good aircraft till I watched Lazerpig so I can’t really say anything on this
Same.. I still like the BRRRRT, tho
Aircraft is a fancy word. It's really more like a gun with wings.
@@MrDj232
It's really more like friendly fire with wings.
Lazerpig vs RedEffect drama in the T14 Armata was fucking hilarious, highly recommend looking into it if you haven't.
@@lil__shmeat that's not a problem. You can like what you like for no or any reasons. The problem is that too many people associate likes with good, aka "I like this X (car, plane, game, movie) therefore it is good" and then stupidly nail their self-worth to it. "I like this, therefore it is good because I, a competent, capable, smart, intelligent, valuable, etc. person am never wrong and would not like trash and would never fall for cheap tricks".
Herodotus wasn't a trusted source when he was alive, let alone now. But I guess he's the only one we have left...unless the Vatican underground library holds the truth..😅
Rome canonically anti-furry
16:45
Heavy Hbomberguy breathing
Careful, his fans may start heavily meat beating
Two white bald men, leave them in a room and you will return to them naked.
I started coming here for gaming videos. So why was i almost but not quite disappointed when i found out the next one isnt another history essay?
I love this channel.
From what I saw in the stream, apparently it is his last gaming video.
@jeremybolt8950 I think that's dope. But I also think Cobbs should be free to make anything he wants and as long as he posts it for us, I'll be here.
But at the same time... to say that DJ Cobbler doesn't make absolute CINEMA every single time he makes a history essay would be a lie. That's where his passion is. It's pretty apparent. Lol.
@@skechers28227 yea he’s free to do whatever he wants, but I would’ve loved a stalker 2 video (granted idk if he’s done done tbh, people always saw something and and do another)
you've aged 6 years since your last time on camera, are you resting good man? Thanks for the video !
This is why you need a certain level of suspicion towards your sources. People are biased. They lie. They obfuscate. They misremember or forget. Worst of all they can mix truth in with the lies.
Honestly, the most you can get from a source is how the person who wrote that source viewed the subject in question. If you're lucky, it's a window to how his/her culture viewed the event.
Now I have the question of if this historian was doubly racist.
On the one hand "hurr durr, Egyptians so committed to religion they submitted to slaughter rather than maybe hurt a widdle kitty."
On the other hand, I'm convinced that not only because he lists them herding cats, but herding them together with so many other animals that given other circumstances would be running from each other as fast as possible *and on top of that* herding them straight into a fucking war... Yeah, at this point I'm convinced the Persians were the first Magical Indian tropes in history.
*that survived
Dang it Cobb, why you gotta post this when I am currently working. Now I need to wait till I get back to home.
Finding this channel last month for Xmas was the only gift I needed
Cobbler when ULTRAKILL.
We can track cobblers decent into madness by his continuously receding hairline. Truly beautiful to witness.
I don't think people actually appreciate how much of an exception Herodotus is in comparison to most other ancient sources.
Sure like 70% of the histories he wrote down were either completely or mostly useless thanks to mistranslations, misunderstandings and generational biases. But he was actually interested in atleast attempting to record impartial histories. Alot of other ancient to medieval sources were much more interested in peddling a story, loosely based on history with all the parts that made their patrons look bad removed or downplayed and all the parts that made their patrons enemies look incompetent or cruel over exaggerated to ridiculous degree.
Agreed. The man was flying by the seat of his pants, he didn't have much of a blueprint to follow but he has his head in the right place.
That Tom McDonald gag was perfect
Shit caught me off guard 😂
In other words, even if it had actually happened, do you really think no one would have fought back?
Knowing what would happen if they lost, do you really think those soldiers, trying to defend their home, wouldn't have fallen upon that sword if it meant protecting their friends and family?
There are christians who are soldiers, and if they were fighting an enemy, and they knew that fighting those people was going to be considered blasphemy, and they were likely to go to hell for it, but not fighting them meant their friends and family would suffer and probably die, they would likely still fight, because the sin is with them and not their family, if their family lives they they may consider it a fair trade.
I can see the same thing happening even if everything said was true, which is one of the ways you can tell it isn't.
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let me out
It's been three years. Please let me out. I want to see the sun.
FINE. I did it. it looks like shit but I bought your little plush.
If it doesn't get funded in time and I don't get my plush, because you didn't advertise it I will find you and I will make you listen to late mediaval histories you sob! You'll have to try again soon!
I have no money you taked it all
Funny, I had a conversation just yesterday with a friend who asked me if it was possible to make a video game that was able to teach the facts of history without propaganda. I told him that I don't believe that is possible, because without infinite scope, you are forced to chose some facts to present over others, and the facts you chose will reflect your own narrative. I see Carr has phased it far more eloquently than I did.
I can’t believe Hernan Cortez beat Montezuma to death with a rubber chicken😦
The clockwork Orange cutaway had me howling
Being subbed to both of you I was shocked when I saw the title haha
THE GIRLS ARE FIGHTINGGGG
Cats CHARGING INTO BATTLE! 😂😂 yeah right. I can see them running back towards the Persian and scratching their faces in utter chaos.
Can't believe DJPeachCobbler is branching out to video games!
Dude, That podcast would be amazing
I got a haircut and my friend said I look like you. I am devastated.
First of all, great video on a great subject.
I read the description, and that's where I found out you where pivoting away from gaming videos. I love your art, whatever the subject is. I've loved every single video of yours I've seen. But I feel the need to express sorrow. Your gaming videos are my favorite essays about video games on youtube. I loved your way of linking gaming subjects with non gaming subjects. I found it all very elegant and learned a lot from them.
But I am not complaining. It's your art, and you go where the passion leads you. Your history videos are definitely incredible, and I will keep watching them the second I see them pop up. But I will miss those gaming videos.
Counterpoint: The Romans themselves (as well as various other peoples in the ancient world) are well known for using various animals in battle. They regarded the Molossian dog as one of the best battle animals, and it's well known that snakes and vipers or even beehives being put into pots to launch via catapult at the enemy were tactics used during sieges, not to mention war elephants. And I know this because I bought all the DLC to Rome 2: Total War, the best source of all things historical regarding Rome!
Oh my good, he hit me with the Racism thing. The long ass rant about this in his Feminism video was fucking right.
dude a bunch of unhinghed historians argue for 90 mins sounds like the best kind of podcast
Cobbler, I’m also losing hair in my 20s. I commend you for rocking with it mate
I’m still in denial
Cobbler's sanity is thinning almost as quickly as his hairline. I am proud to be a longtime viewer
It’s disgustingly interesting on how hard it is to have accurate histories on, anything basically. The amount of reading between the lines and having to source what’s barely there to source to get a half fractured narrative.
An Egyptian would never hurt a cat. Unless its master died, and it was mummy time.
Glad to see the new office is being used
Wasn't sure where to put this but is there anyway to get the new plushie before its ship date, im going to be deploying soon and I wanna take the Roman Plushie to egypt and iraq with me
Hey DJ, cool video and all, but what are you going to do about that rapidly receding hairline of yours?
No half measures. Either you bald your head and become a Great Value Jason Statham, or use some of those sweet youtube bucks to buy yourself a wig or something.
You know how black girls wear blond wigs? He should wear an Afro. Let's appropriate cultures equally
Statham is the best option for now. I think he's rocking it. Wigs are gay
it's still salvageable, he just needs to get on those endocrine-disrupting hair growth drugs
@@risebellthesummoner I even think it looks kinda cool the way it is man. It's not too bad. I think he could rock the Dale gribble
@@ethancurry1804He's got that Kaczynski - McVeigh swag going rn. He should lean into it.
I can't believe he ignored the noble Ibis.
When I (as a kid) first heard the modern version of the story I was like "oh, yeah, this could've totally happened, those Egyptians and their cats, amirite?". It's wild how even to this day so many people still believe in what is essentially ancient racial stereotypes. Only after learning about the importance of the battle in THIS one video did I start to think "Ok, if the independence of Egypt was at stake, then there's no way they would surrender like that, even if it was because of their religion".
Dude you never give yourself enough credit as a history nerd that Aeneid comparison was fucking gold
bro bro got huge
For every flab this man gains he loses hair
Richard Bone
WHEN I first came to Spoon River
I did not know whether what they told me
Was true or false.
They would bring me the epitaph
And stand around the shop while I worked
And say “He was so kind,” “He was wonderful,”
“She was the sweetest woman,” “He was a consistent Christian.”
And I chiseled for them whatever they wished,
All in ignorance of its truth.
But later, as I lived among the people here,
I knew how near to the life
Were the epitaphs that were ordered for them as they died.
But still I chiseled whatever they paid me to chisel
And made myself party to the false chronicles
Of the stones,
Even as the historian does who writes
Without knowing the truth,
Or because he is influenced to hide it. Edgar Lee master.
It took me a while to comprehend that the title is in effect calling blue jay racist against ancient Egyptians