Patagualian Mostly to other groups this actually happens to. Christians (majority sects) would never be made to feel like this in a large enough number for cases of discrimination to make it into the public eye. Even when this happens to other groups you don’t hear about it that much.
I am not religious myself, but was still kinda shocked at this sketch until I read the comments. Now I realise that that was the whole point of the sketch. That no-one should be treated differently just because of their religious/spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof) or colour or gender or sexual orientation etc etc. I am not used to “light” comedy having such a deep message. This is gold.
Have you actually read the Bible? I'm guessing not. Strangely enough, a lot of Christians haven't either, (I mean all or the vast majority of it - Old Testament too). The word of god might not be what you think it is. Search here on RUclips for Matt Dillahunty and see what Christians have done, (and still do), in the name of god. He will point out the parts of the Bible, (so you can verify for yourself), where God either doesn't condone and actively encourages things like slavery. Should people that believe those things or worse, act on them not be looked upon differently?
You've totally missed the message in this video! Wow. The point is there was NO need for her to mention her religion; saying that had its own potential implications. You got the whole thing backwards!
Christianity is superstition and only a weak mind would believe superstition, that is a poor sign for work performance. Strong minds set their own moral compass and religions have a very nasty record when it comes to morals for the last few thousand years.
This little sketch - which struck me as really rather straightfoward - seems to be a sort of Rorschach Inkblot Test in which everybody can see something that suits their own particular prejudices, while insisting that everybody else has fundamentally missed the point.
@@tomgl6684 when you are used to privilege, equality can seem like oppression. Nobody is discriminating against Christians, but Christians are losing their stranglehold on the status quo so it feels to them as though they are being oppressed.
@@tomgl6684 it's a false comparison. It's not a 50:50 chance god exists or doesn't. It's more like an infinitesimal chance god exists versus and pretty much P=0.0000001 chance he doesn't exist. If you are still truly agnostic (ie at equipoise) you are either missing the point or might as well believe in god.
@@Kalleesto I was the one who got it wrong lol. I just couldn’t quite remember what she said exactly. Although gossip would be a good one to add to the list
The reality is that they wouldn't make it so obvious, for legal and PR reasons, but would just tell her later that another candidate had turned out to be "more suitable".
They probably have one in the USA, every since Burwell v. Hobby Lobby corporation can have a "religion" and a right to "religious expression," which allowed companies to refusion portions of government required medical health insurance standards for employees on religious grounds. Chick-a-fill is a famous example, the Mariotte hotel chain decided to stop offering pay-per-view porn in their hotels as it conflicted with the company's Mormon history and LDS owners.
The only tangible difference is you get whipped, all the while being told how naughty you are for simply existing. I understand some people are into that kind of play though.
What did you think the meaning of the sketch was? I was a little confused, to be honest. I'm from the UK but haven't lived there for over ten years - is there an anti-Christian sentiment? And is that what this was about? Genuinely interested in your opinion on this (if you have time and inclination!)
@@al201103 I don't think it's anti-Christian. She has made an observation that Christianity has become unacceptable today, and she has also shown the peaceful core values of Christianity, when she leaves quietly having forgiven them for thier behaviour. The rest is totally upto you to interpret. As a Christian I think it is insightful and a good observation, about how Christianity has become demonised, depite it being at its core a peacefull and beautiful relgion .
@@blueberry7899 Thanks for the reply and the Christian angle Blueberry! Yeah, I also didn't think the sketch was anti-Christian, I was asking if that kind of feeling is in UK society these days. I think you put it well: that it's been demonised. Similar to Islam in many ways: the religion is judged on the actions and speech of the few, while the majority are simply people with a faith who aim to be good humans.
could you please explain for foreigners. what does C of E stand for? does mean Church of England and means that those who belong to it are not real christians or the contrary, they are the only true christians?
Christian schools openly refuse to hire on religious grounds and also require female employees to submit their bodies to the church. I figure christians are by definition hypocrites.
And the irony and hypocrisy given the West was uplifted by Christianity into the modern age giving them the world they live in and enjoy and started with the persecution of Christian in Rome.
Many people still are. My own mother is a Catholic ignoramus who thinks the Earth is the center of the universe, in which she also thinks the Milky Way Galaxy is the entire universe. Most religious people are staggeringly ignorant and poorly educated. That said, I have met a few "Christians" who are indeed very well-educated and surprisingly accept many scientific studies such as evolution and a heliocentric solar system. These tend to be the type of "Christians" who don't take anything in the Bible as literal facts but more as metaphors and such. And I put quotation marks for these types of "Christians" because they sound way more like deists as oppose to true theists, in that they believe in a god, but not the religious scriptures.
What I love is that, for all I know, she's sort of admitting that the Brexit/Buchananite types have had a point all along - but that it could also SIMULTANEOUSLY mean, "hey, all you Born-Agains who RIGHTLY feel that the Secularists really are persecuting you, now you know how it's like to be an atheist or gay or - oh, I DON'T KNOW - JUST PAIN BLACK."
Thing is, if anyone I was interviewing thought it appropriate to bring up their religion or any other belief not relevant to the job, during a job interview, I would think they were a weirdo who was likely to cause trouble related to said belief if only by banging on about it all the time. Whether they announce they are atheist, Christian, a member of a political movement, whatever. Still the point of the sketch is that you will be considered a bit of a weirdo in the UK today if you are a young-ish person who is a committed Christian.
@tinylilmatt The last time I was employed for my skills was around 1995. After that things changed pretty quickly. The worst was Cadbury Singapore. They openly said they are not much interested in skills, they wanted someone who is bendable and fits into corporate policies best.
I've seen UK tv and "weird" has been pushed as the default position every child is supposed to take in life. The point of the sketch is that Christians must keep their ideology to themselves otherwise they will be persecuted. Quite hypocritical when "some" people are openly advertising their "belief" by the clothes they wear, hajibs, turbans, etc, and NOBODY is allowed to sneer down at THEM!
I don't know why I was expecting the opposite from Tracey Ulman, but I must say this was a bit of a surprise for me. As a professional musician working in the arts world, (and a Christian) I have experienced this directly, and not quite so politely.
Yeah, must be honest, I discriminate like this in my business, as I have many LGBTQ employees, and they have faced countless mini horrors from religious people I have employed in the past. I know it is wrong, but honestly - it’s not worth the trouble they cause. I always ask about potential employees’ spiritual beliefs on my application forms in the non-compulsory information section. They almost always volunteer the information. If they leave that section blank, my personnel manager usually manages to wheedle it out of them. If they advocate for any of the Abrahamic faiths… no, not on my staff. I know this is wrong, but I have a business to run, and I just don’t have time to sort out endless staff complaints that these people cause. And yes, I know that not all Christians are prejudiced in this way, but you never can tell if you’re going to get a “weird” instead of a Jesus.
@@callenclarke371 I know it is wrong. But you know what is even wronger? Religious folk making my LGBTQ employees feel uncomfortable and creating a miserable atmosphere at work. I work in the fashion industry. Do you have any idea what small circles we work in? If you get a reputation amongst the LGBTQs, it sticks. Besides, gay folk have faced this kind of bias all their lives, so I feel almost zero guilt about it. Only once did I regret it. She was a ridiculously talented accessories designer who now works for our rival, but still… I am glad I made the choice. Her husband is one of those street evangelists that yell. No thanks. Trust me. I know I’m wrong. But I’m ok with that.
Yeah, I gotta say, it rings hollow. There aren't acceptable and non-acceptable forms of prejudice. There's just prejudice. But at least you're admitting it. Many people never even get that far.
@@callenclarke371 I disagree. A traditionally disenfranchised, imprisoned, and maligned group getting a chance in the sun by disenfranchising the very people that caused their misery….yeah, no prob in my books. I’ll feel sorry the day I get caught, and even then, I’d just feel sorry about getting caught ;)
As a Christian (lol) I have definitely experienced this on a lower level. If somebody dosent know my faith and I mention church or something related in conversation you can see how they start looking at you differently. I became a Christian in my 20s so its quite interesting to experience it from both sides. Also interesting as people sometimes assume I am muslim or jewish It's a problem, but we shouldn't get so caught up on it. In some countries people fear for lives for owning a bible, they are denied medical care, tortured, forced to denounce there fait etc... we have it so easy compared to our persecuted brothers and sisters ❤
I’ve experienced exactly this so many times for the last almost 20 years. Can’t blame them bc I had the same attitude (and completely wrong ideas about it😬) before I became Christian.
@@Bruce-vq7ni So many birthdays to choose from on December 25th: Horus, Osiris, Attis of Phrygia, Krishna, Zoroaster, Mithra of Persia,Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis, Hermes, Prometheus. Btw, Saint Nicholas’ birthday is traditionally thought to be 15th of March, but his feast is celebrated on his death day which is December 6th.
@RED PILL PORTAL oh I get it all right - I’m simply saying I had made certain assumptions as to the content of the sketch based on the title of the clip, and was heartened to find my assumption was incorrect
@@timothyj1966 Jews wear yamakas, christians wear crosses, sikhs wear towels, people broadcast their beliefs in all sorts of ways in public, including bumper stickers on cars. Everyone is free to broadcast their beliefs in public, and everyone else is free to ignore them. Freedom is not a guarantee everyone will love you or give you what you want.
As soon as religious people come to terms and deal with their cognitive dissonance and start being tolerant towards proven facts of science applying to the real world they live in and which disprove pretty much all that their religions are built on, their religious beliefs will start being tolle.... wait, they won't be religious anymore then.
@@flamingpieherman9822 That is not true at all. Aren't you aware of the bloody history of every civilisation on this planet?! On what metric is the crime and violence going up? Because from all the statistics I have seen it is actually the opposite. Also, if you need religion to restrain yourself and behave well because you fear hell, then you are not a good person to begin with.
I never actually mentioned my faith in a job interview just the skills I could offer to the job. I did mention a certain holy day (Christmas) when the Muslim employer was closing a certain holy day of theirs and working instead on Saturday.
It wouldn't even get there nowadays. Most companies now have a compulsory part in their application (the "Equality of Opportunities" or whatever it is called) where you get asked about religion, race, sexual orientation etc. They say that that part never reaches the interview panel and is there only for admin and statistical purposes. I doubt that that is the case: if the information required in that part were so irrelevant to the hiring process, why is it compulsory in the first place (it was totally optional a few years ago) and, if it is asked only for statistical purposes (as in, you want to keep evidence of such information about your employees), why is it not required after the person has actually been hired?
I mean, on all the applications I've done, there's been a "prefer not to say" option for all of those questions, so you don't have to give any info away if you don't want to. And it's used to get info on who's applying and getting the jobs, so to do stuff like check for biases in the hiring process, or get a better idea of what demographics to target with job adverts. Which is why it's asked during the application.
because if you only find out the demographics of the people who were hired, then how could you tell if there was discrimination in the hiring process? I used to be a recruiter for a number of companies - that demographic data was NEVER visible on a per applicant basis. I never saw it connected to any applicant, it was only used in aggregate to identify if there was discrimination based on race/gender/etc. In any statistical analysis, you need to have the total sample size and the characteristics of the other people in the pool in order to identify if there was a disproportionate effect. If a company was sued for only hiring white people for example, they couldn't be charged with discrimination if their applicant pool was 100% white (or close to it). If you only looked at the people hired, you would never know if there was bias or if there was a skewed applicant pool to start off with.
For the large number of commenters that seem to be missing the point, try watching the clip again, but substitute the word Muslim or Jewish every time they say Christian. You're welcome.
@@rogerlopp987 Conservatives are the worst. There are no true conservatives any more, they've all been driven cray cray by the far right media and ridiculous online conspiracy theories.
@@nelsonricardo3729 “So what did you do over the weekend?” “I went to my sister’s wedding.” “Oh, where was the wedding?” “At our church.” “I volunteered.” “Oh, where do you volunteer?” “I help out at my church’s homeless outreach program.” Stop expecting people to hide major aspects of themselves in normal conversation just because you feel uncomfortable with religion. I highly doubt many religious people are truly trying to get you to convert when they’re just telling you about their life.
So many people seem to believe that Christians in the United States don’t experience discrimination. It seems so very strange that anyone could think that in light of globalization and the media. Bigotry towards Christianity is normalized. My faith-the belief that guides my entire life-is a comedic punching bag for anyone who cares to throw a punch. It’s rare to find a TV show that doesn’t take a potshot at Christians. A family friend legitimately asked my mom and myself how we could be so intelligent and believe in Christianity. He is hardly the only person who thinks that way.
I've had two experiences... one, when I joined a company and found the whole management staff were of religion X, and soon my email was full of requests for their friends, religious messages,etc. They weren't shy. It was easy for them to see that I wasn't playing along, since those messages were sent to all office addressees. I left that company, to apply at a finance group, only to find at the second interview that I was being seen by the wives of the top agents there. They not very subtlely told me that the company only hired people like "its own", meaning adherents of religion X. This is a nationally known company too.... so that didn't work out. It was obvious they only wanted to hire people of their own religion. I'm now interviewing for a third company, and a question I will ask is, "Does this company have a religious test for candidates?" I hate asking this, but I must. I try not to mention it under most conditions.... but the religious are an in-group; if you don't match their expectations, they'll exclude you regardless of experience or talent or potential, as a member of the out-group. I have to ask.... it was an awful surprise at the first company, and I feel they should have disclosed their religiosity-policy at the first interview.
@@jamesmcinnis208 I could tell you, but I prefer not to, because it wouldn't matter to the outcome. The psychodynamics involved would be the same for all religions, maybe worse in some.
No it isn't. It is bottom rail on top now! An old saying of the formerly oppressed. I appealed to your egalitarian nature to accept me as an equal and deserving of human dignity. Within a few years or a generation, I, the liberated minority become the bigoted oppressor, when my numbers or protections under law make me able to perform such hate based acts of to require conformity to my imagined rules. Even to make the hate basis normal, as long as it is done by the protected minority. Even when that minority become a majority, they often cling to oppressed status well past it's reality. To do evil in response to evil done long ago (especially by dead people) has no moral basis or foundation. It is a perversion done to grab power or simply based on perverted pride. Liberty should be an ever growing circle of acceptance for people. Slowly expanding without sudden constrictions. The true fulfillment of just law is a changed heart that wills to do right. All else is merely compliance-The morality of the child. What can I get away with.
i'm in america... i get it. not sure i get it the same way you would get it. For me as an american who is *not* Christian but did try to spend part of his life in religion... this is about how the people of the UK dislike religious belief. I believe from your point of view in the UK this is about how it's crazy to be religious and how you want to keep any inkling of religion out of your lives, thank you. Even for a Christian this would be funny as a portrayal of the difficulty they face in living life in society. Anyway from my point of view it's still funny though (although I'm not Christian, not atheist, and not in the UK).
In 2021, looking down at the comments, as an Aussie who'se lived both in the UK and the USA all I can add, it IS TRUE re opposites. (Aussie humour is far closer to that of the UK.)
These comments are just ridiculous. The point the sketch is trying to make is that the moment you state your religion, people judge you. Christians commenting on the fact that they experience persecution does not, I repeat does NOT belittle the persecution faced by other religions. The fact is that anyone of any religion is bound to face some sort of persecution at some point. Yes some people have it worse than others, but that doesn't make the low-level, day-to-day persecution ok. If people stopped insulting each other just because they are 'different', the world would be a much easier place to live in. Just saying.
This sketch could have really been applied to any religion, because in this particular setting, it is unlikely that the reaction would have been any stronger because they don't want to appear bigoted. The thing is that this country is ok with people being religious so long as they keep all signs of their religion hidden away. Thats why people have such problems with burqas and the like. The fact is that no one of religion should be able to keep their religion hidden away because it defies one of the biggest aspects of religion, (i.e outreach) No one should have to hide their religion away.
Shanto Lion they got that idea because she said she was a Christian. I would think that would be a expected conclusion. Christians have been persecuted in the past. I would think that this sketch demonstrates more discrimination than persecution. I've had this happen myself. They made my life hell all over my Faith. I think the assumption that many of you are making here as that Christians don't get discriminated against, or it's okay because for some reason since you don't agree with the tenants, it doesn't count.
: o) yeah..no..prolly not. Come to think of it, I've never mentioned my faith in any job interview. It does come up eventually, sooner or later though. Usually over something incidental. But yeah, not Cathar. Definitely not..Cathar. :o)
Reading the comments and seeing that many don't realize this is satire and is what real christian persecution would look like... if it really happened.
craze1701 Christian persecution worked well in Iraq since the 2nd Gulf War at the behest of the US and its allies. The British monarch and prime minister can not be catholic even today. Christians persecute each other often. It's fair to say religion is a lucrative business and that followers can be convinced of some incredulous things so in business it's rather important to leverage religion for profit but to avoid its adherents in important decisions.
Christian persecution in the West in the future will be done passive-aggressively. They'll be denied jobs, prosecuted for their speech and opinions, denied access to publicly funded schemes and will have their places of worship shut down for fear that the mere existence of a church will "incite hatred". And it will all be done under the banner of "tolerance". Oh the irony.
I love this sketch, but I am honestly not sure what its perspective is. I believe it has something to do with how connotation of being a Christian has changed. England is a Christian country, with a patron saint and a monarch who is also head of the church. The BBC has religious programs, people celebrate Christmas, etc. But still, if someone says they are a "Christian" like she did, people assume that you are going to be proselytizing or judging them.
When you say sociopathy, do you mean something without conscience, like burning people at the stake for believing in transubstantiation instead of consubstantiation or invading other countries in the name of a ‘crusade’ or frightening children by telling them will go to a made-up hell if they don’t do as they are told, or inflicting systematic sexual and physical abuse through religious institutes. 🤔
I totally get this satire, and it is true for many countries where Islamic views and ideology are immersed into a society that is tolerant of them and their views to the exclusion of those who have other faiths or none at all.
It is troubling how many people are seeing this and not realising that it is not actually about religious discrimination but the discrimination of people who do not share one's beliefs. It is trying to convey a message to the very idiots who would probably do the same to an atheist.
"No religion or politics at the poker table" is a common refrain in US card rooms. Politics are discussed publicly on TV, radio, and podcasts every day. I can't imagine an official political debate happening in private. I can imagine religions that do not proselytize.
I interviewed for a position as a Hospice Chaplain a number of years ago. At the time I was serving as a Veteran's Affairs Hospital Chaplain. The Interviewer inquired about my particular religious affiliation and when I replied that I was a conservative (theologically) but served successfully in a Multi-faith setting she indicated I would probably not be a "good fit". Her explanation: She believed Conservative Christians could not serve in a multi-faith setting because they were "too narrow" in their perspective.
You cannot get Christians from different denominations to work together. They self-destruct in doctrinal infighting. Maggie Thatcher tried getting the Christians to sort out the boat migrants, got nowhere...
@@beakytwitch7905 -- I have worked for a non-profit that had Christians of all different denominations. It never self-destructed in doctrinal infighting. It's been around for over 75 years with Catholics, Protestants, liberal theologians, conservative theologians--you name it--on the board and at all levels throughout the organization. Amazingly, people can actually disagree about issues and still be friends, and can even work together. It's a concept you should try out sometime.
@@peterpike nope. They cannot get along - just too bigoted , too judgemental and too gossipy. A dreadful crew .... Probably comes about because they seek to nit pickingly micromanage each others lives. 10,000 grubby little fiefdoms. YUK !!! Comes about for two reasons 1/ baptism was illegally supplanted by "confirmation" where to get permission to be a Christian the follower first has to pledge allegiance to the pope, queen, tribal boss.... 2/ publishing bibles - Christianity is meant for illiterate ignorant peasants with parable rich pictures to mull over whilst grubbing in the mud. Now it is legalistic and literalistic and browbeating over petty details the order of the day .
@@peterpike I would submit that a non-profit is a different setting than hospice. By definition you're dealing with people's end-of-life issues and that has the potential to be a theological lightning rod.
I've seen an actual example of this in the U.S. The boss had a party for employees and brought up a new hire. This is our new hire, a "Jesus Freak", and blah blah. The person never showed up the first day. I regret not standing up for the new hire to this day
wow, he must've only hired them to see how much abuse they'd take before quitting. What an ass. That "Jesus Freak" was probably the only employee who would've given "boss man" CPR or Heimlich in an emergency.
I was in a company in the US where a senior executive, when he had the floor at all-hands meetings, would pull out his Bible and start reading some passage to make a point about whatever the topic was. He would also manage to inject some religious reference into almost every conversation and meeting. It was a very multicultural employee base but what united us all was the eye-rolling at this gratuitous behavior. Completely inappropriate and a waste of everyone's time...
I work with some christians. Some are hard working, others aren't. Some are punctual and others aren't. One was very sketchy, did a lousy job, tooted her horn all of the time and after she left, it took me months to get her office, staff, files, everything back to a semblance of functionality. My experience is that christians are no better and usually no worse than other workers.
That's not the premise of the skit. I'm sorry but you missed the point, entirely. They are trying to convey through satire that Christians are weird and nobody wants to deal with their pushy beliefs. It weirds people out in this day and age to meet a religious person because atheist see them as delusional and crazy, that was the premise of the skit... religious people are delusional and weird and I agree.
Jacob, all religions are persecuted at some level. The definition of persecution: "subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their race or political or religious beliefs." I do not know of any religion that has not had jokes made at their expense or derogatory remarks or received ridicule I, myself, as a Catholic Christian have experienced plenty. Having friends of just about every religion, I have also witnessed "persecution" of their beliefs (Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, etc.). And within the Christian community, Baptists against Catholics, Lutherans against Methodists, Methodists against Calvinist. Their is no sanctuary from religious hostility.
I don't think the point of the sketch is that Christians are weird and that nobody wants to work with them, being that it is all Christians' fault. The Christian lady is highly qualified and they are very impressed with her until...she mentions being a Christian. Similar to someone mentioning their ethnicity or being an Atheist or a member of a political party. It is the office staff who then are ruffled and prejudiced, admitting to it when she asks if they think Christians are "weird". It displays their narrow-mindedness, not hers. They are being offensive, and I could see being very annoyed at employers for acting that way as well. Her forgiving them is mixed with offense and sincerity.
That actually happened to me 30 years ago in the UK. The interviewer was greatly upset that I attended church. I didn't get the job. The interviewer was physically changed when he discovered I was a Christian.
Well, you two commenters got the fangs out pretty quickly. Let's have fun, and change "I'm a Christian" to "I'm a Muslim" and see what bile you'll choke back...even though that monotheistic religion has many of the same non- scientific beliefs, it's not politically correct to subject it to the same ridicule...🙄
@@lenawagenfuehr53 I mock and ridicule the immorality and absurdity of the 3 abrihanic religions equally...I'd say the catholic church was the most dangerous but now I'd say Islam. I'm happy to mock any pathetic demonstrably false religion.
Please. I’m in the US and it is INSANE here. So many ‘christains’ and they friggin talk about it all the time as if it means something positive. Lord!!
Now that I think about it, I’ve worked with hundreds of people and the only ones who feel the need to lecture their religious beliefs are Christians. Just my experience and I can see what their concerns were especially if they’ve experienced the holier-than-thou insufferable people who make others uncomfortable. I myself have experienced just out of the blue “I believe you need guidance. You should come to my church” My reply was “Let’s see. My children aren’t in prison like yours. I’m not in bankruptcy like you are. I haven’t cheated on my spouse like you have. And people don’t avoid me on the workfloor because they’re certain they won’t get a moral lecture from me. So no, I won’t be going to your church.”
@@pashadyne Christians don't threaten people with punishment though.... if someone does something immoral to them, the only thing they can do is separate themselves from that person. If someone hits them they are instructed to turn the other check, if someone wrongs them they must forgive them. That's why you have Christian martyrs who have died for their faith. I think (I ll have to double check) the bible also instructs that the laws of the land are not necessarily Christian laws, which is why as a Christian you are not suppose to make any oaths in court or out of it. The fact that our existing law system has been influenced by Christianity - doesn't make it Christian.
@RED PILL PORTAL absolutely right. Western society is based on a judeo- Christian value set. Not religion or law but a fundamental set of unwritten (o.k some of them are written) rules that we all follow. Its what keeps people in check. If your a good person you automatically follow these, it's the stuff your parents teach you even if they aren't leaving religion.
Good for you Tracy for calling out on Christian prejudice that never gets called out upon and in fact always hidden under the rug. Bravo Tracy and God bless you!
You've completely missed the mark. This sketch is imagining what the world would be like if Christians were subject the same kind of discrimination that other religions currently face, such as Muslims.
@@ronanpayinda4978Whilst I agree the descrimination that Muslims etc face is bad, Christians are still subject to an ever growing amount of prejudice, which it is what the sketch is about. The new problem of Christian prejudice (albeit not as severe as the prejudice other faiths face) is being swept under the rug and its stuff that not that long ago would have happened
@Jay Cee Two things, just so we aren't talking crossed purposes, in what ways are you presupposing Christians are legally allowed to 'discriminate'. Also, does this stance just apply to Christianity, or to other faiths and religions that hold similar conservative views?
I once got a resume where the applicant noted she volunteered for an anti-abortion group. As I recall, she didn't have good quals otherwise so I dodged the bullet of whether to interview her or not.
What an interesting choice of words you used to describe her. I would have said Pro-Life group but there you go. Seeing as only the living can work apart from robots, are you planning on up-teching in your company? Can you afford it? I'm sure you'll be able to hire poor migrants at subsistance wages instead. I believe that was formally known as slavery.
Hint for the some of the people commenting: this isn't actually about _Christians_ being discriminated against, just like the Monty Python sketch about "The Mouse Problem" isn't actually about mice.
@@ashcoops6962I'm at the other end of the spectrum in the US. I don't feel like I can be very open about not being a believer, especially in the workplace. I've even worked for faith based charities where there's no pressure to accept a religious point of view so long as everyone is respectful to each other. It's in general workplaces where I have to essentially hide from the holy rollers who are convinced that their job is to "save" you. I get Tracey's point about the UK, though. It's ironic since state schools still have religion involved in ways that would be illegal in the US. Although those constitutional rights are being eroded now.
A comedy sketch but so true. I am a Christian and as soon as I say it to some people, I see that momentary shock in their eyes before composure comes back.
So you can see what the issue is? The God Realised and the unRealised, alike, are only interested in your fruits, not what you say you are. What you say you are, in this respect, is rather antithetical to actual humility. E.g. if someone saw you in prayer, being unconditionally lovingly unself-centred, lost to the eternal moment, extremely giving, etc they might feel that you are very lovingly devout to your humanity and/or crazy, differing, slightly, from normal.
So keep your religion to yourself. That’s the way it should be anyway. Your religious beliefs should be irrelevant. Stop pushing them at people they won’t look at you funny.
The discomfort comes from wondering why you mention it and what you want them to say. It’s too personal for most people. Or they can’t relate. Just don’t go there.
Do you preach your religion at inappropriate times like during job interviews? Do you knock on people's doors without a mask during a pandemic like the christians did at my house? Did you make fun of people for demanding that you wear a mask when you are on their private property? Did you say to me that you don't give one damn about my life because "the afterlife" is the only thing that matters? If so, you are a member of the religion that was founded upon a human sacrifice that you benefited from. Congratulations, you have revealed yourself as a person of low character.
I wonder what would happen if the person was jewish or a muslim and they would make fun of them as they just did with this BBC satirical comedy scene, SJW would be outside the BBC front doors in seconds along with a court summons.
You have completely missed the mark. This sketch is imagining what the world would be like if Christians were subject the same kind of discrimination that other religions currently face, such as Muslims.
That's because muslims and Jews actually stand up for and respect their religion- people have gotten used to insulting Christians and getting no reaction🤷♀️
As one who twice in my career has been cajoled into being classed as Christian because it smooths the water, I identify with this, albeit I have never known it work the other way round. I might add that was 50 years ago and hopefully things have improved now.
This just proves the old maxim that unless specifically asked, you should keep your personal beliefs to yourself, and even if asked, unless it is specifically relevant, you should say that it is no-ones business except yours. After all, the Bible even said that believers should be known for their fruit.
I remember going to work in Germany about 15 years ago. I had to register my residence and my religion at the local shire office. No big deal until I realised they took 5% church tax from my pay. A work colleague told me later that I could have avoided this tax had I said to them that I was an atheist...wish some one had told me sooner? Apparently the money you paid in was relevant in regards what school your kids went to and so on but my kids were all grown up at that time. Interesting world we live in!
@Paul Wieringa No, you are wrong. Please give me an example (outside of religious institutions) where you need to declare your personal belief systems in order to apply for a job.
'It's fine, I forgive you' That's so good.
I was expecting her to say 'but I am also going to sue'.
@@legalvampire8136 Think you'll find that other groups would have more success taking that route.
Patagualian Mostly to other groups this actually happens to. Christians (majority sects) would never be made to feel like this in a large enough number for cases of discrimination to make it into the public eye. Even when this happens to other groups you don’t hear about it that much.
Lol.😆
@@yucol5661 Small wonder as it's still mostly the Christians themselves who discriminate others, just like it has been in the last 1500 years or so.
Legally speaking, classic, Tracy has so much talent
Love Tracey. She doesn't shy away from anything.
This is remarkably true and incriminating. Thank you Tracey!
I am not religious myself, but was still kinda shocked at this sketch until I read the comments. Now I realise that that was the whole point of the sketch. That no-one should be treated differently just because of their religious/spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof) or colour or gender or sexual orientation etc etc. I am not used to “light” comedy having such a deep message. This is gold.
Have you actually read the Bible? I'm guessing not.
Strangely enough, a lot of Christians haven't either, (I mean all or the vast majority of it - Old Testament too).
The word of god might not be what you think it is. Search here on RUclips for Matt Dillahunty and see what Christians have done, (and still do), in the name of god.
He will point out the parts of the Bible, (so you can verify for yourself), where God either doesn't condone and actively encourages things like slavery.
Should people that believe those things or worse, act on them not be looked upon differently?
@Moni Lein you are a fool . Peoples beliefs are equally as important as their characteristics and one shouldn't be discriminated against for them
is that the message though?.. or is it that the applicant thought it was relevant to mention and thus the sketch is about reversing the 'relevance'?..
You've totally missed the message in this video! Wow. The point is there was NO need for her to mention her religion; saying that had its own potential implications. You got the whole thing backwards!
Christianity is superstition and only a weak mind would believe superstition, that is a poor sign for work performance. Strong minds set their own moral compass and religions have a very nasty record when it comes to morals for the last few thousand years.
This little sketch - which struck me as really rather straightfoward - seems to be a sort of Rorschach Inkblot Test in which everybody can see something that suits their own particular prejudices, while insisting that everybody else has fundamentally missed the point.
Word
duccio "‘‘tis the human's way.
@@tomgl6684 when you are used to privilege, equality can seem like oppression. Nobody is discriminating against Christians, but Christians are losing their stranglehold on the status quo so it feels to them as though they are being oppressed.
@@tomgl6684 if you've been agnostic since uni, you're definitely missing something
@@tomgl6684 it's a false comparison. It's not a 50:50 chance god exists or doesn't. It's more like an infinitesimal chance god exists versus and pretty much P=0.0000001 chance he doesn't exist. If you are still truly agnostic (ie at equipoise) you are either missing the point or might as well believe in god.
My 80 yr old great auntie says “if you ever want to avoid trouble in a conversation, never mention politics, religion or gossip”
@@Kalleesto I was the one who got it wrong lol. I just couldn’t quite remember what she said exactly. Although gossip would be a good one to add to the list
ok. what remains to talk about then? just weather? how long could that last?
@@mavibagdasarian5048 hmm can you find any wholesome topics?
@@mavibagdasarian5048 no need to worry, I don’t think it’ll become law anytime soon. Until that day, you can keep gossiping.
@@valinorean4816 that was satire actually ...
The reality is that they wouldn't make it so obvious, for legal and PR reasons, but would just tell her later that another candidate had turned out to be "more suitable".
They write a code initial on the application and either simply pass it over or throw it in the trash bin.
Lol, why hire an employee who believes in magic and nonsense?
You know how to distill the essence of comedy, can't wait for your next sketch.
It’s friggin comedy people. Satire.
@@truthseeker2797 you have never employed a WITCH then, but I suppose the pandemic is real then you believe that
Damn, despite the comedic vibe put into it. The statements made by Tracey Ullman are 100% true.
1:22 Her reaction to "..a bit weird?" is priceless ! The subtleties in her expression capture that type to a tee :)
That type. What type are you?
Sad, funny, and so true all at the same time! Oh and yes, she's brilliant!
Bloody brilliant. And very telling, indeed...
I’d like to see a polymer factory run along biblical lines! 🤣🤣🤣
They probably have one in the USA, every since Burwell v. Hobby Lobby corporation can have a "religion" and a right to "religious expression," which allowed companies to refusion portions of government required medical health insurance standards for employees on religious grounds. Chick-a-fill is a famous example, the Mariotte hotel chain decided to stop offering pay-per-view porn in their hotels as it conflicted with the company's Mormon history and LDS owners.
It's the same as normal, you just can't mix fabrics.
@@RFC-3514 LOL. Some one has read Leviticus very carefully ...
@@maggiemakgill - Well, failing to do so would surely be an abomination. ;-)
The only tangible difference is you get whipped, all the while being told how naughty you are for simply existing. I understand some people are into that kind of play though.
Right on, Tracey, and thank you.
Wow! Excellent! Someone finally said it.
More relevant today than ever in modern history.
I love Tracy.
she is fantastic.
satirical...... but shockingly true!
💜
Maybe in civilised countries - but not in the US.
Solo a lucky escape!!!
@@bobmusil1458 That's ironic
No doll. Go brush up on the crusades and get back to us. You don’t have to believe everything your parents tell you.
Great sketch, Tracy is genius. Funny and very insightful.
What did you think the meaning of the sketch was? I was a little confused, to be honest. I'm from the UK but haven't lived there for over ten years - is there an anti-Christian sentiment? And is that what this was about? Genuinely interested in your opinion on this (if you have time and inclination!)
@@al201103 I don't think it's anti-Christian. She has made an observation that Christianity has become unacceptable today, and she has also shown the peaceful core values of Christianity, when she leaves quietly having forgiven them for thier behaviour.
The rest is totally upto you to interpret. As a Christian I think it is insightful and a good observation, about how Christianity has become demonised, depite it being at its core a peacefull and beautiful relgion .
@@blueberry7899 Thanks for the reply and the Christian angle Blueberry! Yeah, I also didn't think the sketch was anti-Christian, I was asking if that kind of feeling is in UK society these days. I think you put it well: that it's been demonised. Similar to Islam in many ways: the religion is judged on the actions and speech of the few, while the majority are simply people with a faith who aim to be good humans.
- I'm a Christian.
-Oh, you're a... errr... ummm...
- Oh, don't worry, I'm only C of E.
- (Relieved) Oh, well, that's alright then. Welcome aboard!
C.S. Lewis was C of E and ****** in the head profoundly...
🤣
@@valinorean4816 What?
@@pauljohnson5190 google "Mere Christianity"
could you please explain for foreigners. what does C of E stand for? does mean Church of England and means that those who belong to it are not real christians or the contrary, they are the only true christians?
Tracey nails it again!
It sends a poignant message about prejudice & equity
Christian schools openly refuse to hire on religious grounds and also require female employees to submit their bodies to the church. I figure christians are by definition hypocrites.
And the irony and hypocrisy given the West was uplifted by Christianity into the modern age giving them the world they live in and enjoy and started with the persecution of Christian in Rome.
Equality…
Equity is where you throw endless resources at something to manufacture unachievable outcomes.
I love how she stated, "it's been perfectly normal to be christian in this country for the last 1500 years...but now..." very insightful.
Well, people were much more scientifically-illiterate back then.
So you believe majority of people are "scientifically-literate" now? :D
Many people still are. My own mother is a Catholic ignoramus who thinks the Earth is the center of the universe, in which she also thinks the Milky Way Galaxy is the entire universe. Most religious people are staggeringly ignorant and poorly educated.
That said, I have met a few "Christians" who are indeed very well-educated and surprisingly accept many scientific studies such as evolution and a heliocentric solar system. These tend to be the type of "Christians" who don't take anything in the Bible as literal facts but more as metaphors and such.
And I put quotation marks for these types of "Christians" because they sound way more like deists as oppose to true theists, in that they believe in a god, but not the religious scriptures.
Tracy4aminute It's satire, christians aren't being discriminated against because half the country is one
Chocolate bars are my entire universe too.
I love her.
What I love is that, for all I know, she's sort of admitting that the Brexit/Buchananite types have had a point all along - but that it could also SIMULTANEOUSLY mean, "hey, all you Born-Agains who RIGHTLY feel that the Secularists really are persecuting you, now you know how it's like to be an atheist or gay or - oh, I DON'T KNOW - JUST PAIN BLACK."
@jonny benzene I don’t remember
Wow. Tracey doesn't pull her punches. Good for her!
Thing is, if anyone I was interviewing thought it appropriate to bring up their religion or any other belief not relevant to the job, during a job interview, I would think they were a weirdo who was likely to cause trouble related to said belief if only by banging on about it all the time. Whether they announce they are atheist, Christian, a member of a political movement, whatever.
Still the point of the sketch is that you will be considered a bit of a weirdo in the UK today if you are a young-ish person who is a committed Christian.
@tinylilmatt
"Sensible employers want the best applicant regardless of background."
So much to the theory.
@tinylilmatt
The last time I was employed for my skills was around 1995. After that things changed pretty quickly. The worst was Cadbury Singapore. They openly said they are not much interested in skills, they wanted someone who is bendable and fits into corporate policies best.
Say that to hijab clad job applicant
I've seen UK tv and "weird" has been pushed as the default position every child is supposed to take in life.
The point of the sketch is that Christians must keep their ideology to themselves otherwise they will be persecuted. Quite hypocritical when "some" people are openly advertising their "belief" by the clothes they wear, hajibs, turbans, etc, and NOBODY is allowed to sneer down at THEM!
If you're Christian you might be a weirdo if you're an atheist you are a weirdo.
"Many a true word said in jest"
I don't know why I was expecting the opposite from Tracey Ulman, but I must say this was a bit of a surprise for me. As a professional musician working in the arts world, (and a Christian) I have experienced this directly, and not quite so politely.
Yeah, must be honest, I discriminate like this in my business, as I have many LGBTQ employees, and they have faced countless mini horrors from religious people I have employed in the past. I know it is wrong, but honestly - it’s not worth the trouble they cause. I always ask about potential employees’ spiritual beliefs on my application forms in the non-compulsory information section. They almost always volunteer the information. If they leave that section blank, my personnel manager usually manages to wheedle it out of them. If they advocate for any of the Abrahamic faiths… no, not on my staff. I know this is wrong, but I have a business to run, and I just don’t have time to sort out endless staff complaints that these people cause. And yes, I know that not all Christians are prejudiced in this way, but you never can tell if you’re going to get a “weird” instead of a Jesus.
@@wordscapes5690 you're right. It is wrong. It's very wrong.
@@callenclarke371 I know it is wrong. But you know what is even wronger? Religious folk making my LGBTQ employees feel uncomfortable and creating a miserable atmosphere at work. I work in the fashion industry. Do you have any idea what small circles we work in? If you get a reputation amongst the LGBTQs, it sticks. Besides, gay folk have faced this kind of bias all their lives, so I feel almost zero guilt about it. Only once did I regret it. She was a ridiculously talented accessories designer who now works for our rival, but still… I am glad I made the choice. Her husband is one of those street evangelists that yell. No thanks. Trust me. I know I’m wrong. But I’m ok with that.
Yeah, I gotta say, it rings hollow.
There aren't acceptable and non-acceptable forms of prejudice. There's just prejudice.
But at least you're admitting it. Many people never even get that far.
@@callenclarke371 I disagree. A traditionally disenfranchised, imprisoned, and maligned group getting a chance in the sun by disenfranchising the very people that caused their misery….yeah, no prob in my books. I’ll feel sorry the day I get caught, and even then, I’d just feel sorry about getting caught ;)
As a Christian (lol) I have definitely experienced this on a lower level. If somebody dosent know my faith and I mention church or something related in conversation you can see how they start looking at you differently. I became a Christian in my 20s so its quite interesting to experience it from both sides. Also interesting as people sometimes assume I am muslim or jewish
It's a problem, but we shouldn't get so caught up on it. In some countries people fear for lives for owning a bible, they are denied medical care, tortured, forced to denounce there fait etc... we have it so easy compared to our persecuted brothers and sisters ❤
I’ve experienced exactly this so many times for the last almost 20 years. Can’t blame them bc I had the same attitude (and completely wrong ideas about it😬) before I became Christian.
As an atheist who also supports people's fundamental rights, I'm surprised a lot of people seem to misswhat this sketch is about
What is it about?
My guess is that it's a reflection of Christians rejecting people if it turns out they're LGBT.
Or any religion other than Christianity or "not really religious" in the UK
As an atheist you are surprised about the majority of people?
John Hillman This is reading John.
Truthfully this is a sad episode because there is so much truth to it.
Sad? They dodged a bullet. I steer clear of anyone that announces they are a Christian. Keep religion to yourself and out of the workplace.
@@sewgatormomm Agreed
Oh Lord. Concerned about the War against Christmas in a majority Christian nation (USA)?
@@bjb7587 "War against Christmas" - - - Why would anyone not want to celebrate the birth of Santa Clause.
@@Bruce-vq7ni So many birthdays to choose from on December 25th: Horus, Osiris, Attis of Phrygia, Krishna, Zoroaster, Mithra of Persia,Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis, Hermes, Prometheus.
Btw, Saint Nicholas’ birthday is traditionally thought to be 15th of March, but his feast is celebrated on his death day which is December 6th.
I was pleasantly surprised - was expecting some typical comedic ‘Christian-knocking’
@peter barlow Christians are actually discriminated against every day 💁🏼♂️
@RED PILL PORTAL oh I get it all right - I’m simply saying I had made certain assumptions as to the content of the sketch based on the title of the clip, and was heartened to find my assumption was incorrect
@peter barlow Better for "knowing" everything came from nothing? (Apparently).
Maybe she sees the double standards. Delia Morris
@RED PILL PORTAL Just Wars, Holy Wars, The Crusades, the Inquisitions, Witch Trials…
Don't ask, don't tell - ignorance is bliss.
so in other words---- leave the hijab at home. Perfect.
@@timothyj1966 Jews wear yamakas, christians wear crosses, sikhs wear towels, people broadcast their beliefs in all sorts of ways in public, including bumper stickers on cars. Everyone is free to broadcast their beliefs in public, and everyone else is free to ignore them. Freedom is not a guarantee everyone will love you or give you what you want.
@@aliensoup2420 Religion - Silly Storie's - Silly hats.
So good
Finding it for first time and smart enough to appreciate
It's sad that everyone considers himself tolerant until theyre put in with someone different than them LOL
crybullies, SJWs, cultural marxists
As soon as religious people come to terms and deal with their cognitive dissonance and start being tolerant towards proven facts of science applying to the real world they live in and which disprove pretty much all that their religions are built on, their religious beliefs will start being tolle.... wait, they won't be religious anymore then.
@@OstblockLatina we already see the effects of people becoming secular. Crime and violence are up because there is no restraint
@@flamingpieherman9822 Nope, not true. Never happened.
@@flamingpieherman9822 That is not true at all. Aren't you aware of the bloody history of every civilisation on this planet?! On what metric is the crime and violence going up? Because from all the statistics I have seen it is actually the opposite.
Also, if you need religion to restrain yourself and behave well because you fear hell, then you are not a good person to begin with.
I never actually mentioned my faith in a job interview just the skills I could offer to the job. I did mention a certain holy day (Christmas) when the Muslim employer was closing a certain holy day of theirs and working instead on Saturday.
It wouldn't even get there nowadays. Most companies now have a compulsory part in their application (the "Equality of Opportunities" or whatever it is called) where you get asked about religion, race, sexual orientation etc. They say that that part never reaches the interview panel and is there only for admin and statistical purposes. I doubt that that is the case: if the information required in that part were so irrelevant to the hiring process, why is it compulsory in the first place (it was totally optional a few years ago) and, if it is asked only for statistical purposes (as in, you want to keep evidence of such information about your employees), why is it not required after the person has actually been hired?
I mean, on all the applications I've done, there's been a "prefer not to say" option for all of those questions, so you don't have to give any info away if you don't want to.
And it's used to get info on who's applying and getting the jobs, so to do stuff like check for biases in the hiring process, or get a better idea of what demographics to target with job adverts. Which is why it's asked during the application.
because if you only find out the demographics of the people who were hired, then how could you tell if there was discrimination in the hiring process? I used to be a recruiter for a number of companies - that demographic data was NEVER visible on a per applicant basis. I never saw it connected to any applicant, it was only used in aggregate to identify if there was discrimination based on race/gender/etc.
In any statistical analysis, you need to have the total sample size and the characteristics of the other people in the pool in order to identify if there was a disproportionate effect. If a company was sued for only hiring white people for example, they couldn't be charged with discrimination if their applicant pool was 100% white (or close to it). If you only looked at the people hired, you would never know if there was bias or if there was a skewed applicant pool to start off with.
For the large number of commenters that seem to be missing the point, try watching the clip again, but substitute the word Muslim or Jewish every time they say Christian. You're welcome.
No, just substitute conservative for Christian.
@@rogerlopp987 Conservatives are the worst. There are no true conservatives any more, they've all been driven cray cray by the far right media and ridiculous online conspiracy theories.
@@pauldzim That sounds about the same that I was saying about the democrats !
Yes. I passed a job interview and exam with flying colours but when I mentioned that I am an atheist, they dropped me in an instant.
@@mofa9745 That's just not true if so liberalisim and conservatives would be also.
True, very sad, and very wrong, however, I'm pleased Tracy put it out there to draw attention to it.
this is so true!
spot on Trace!
Such a good actress
I'm a Born Again Christian,.......loved this sketch, looks like the talented Tracy totally gets it..........respect........
Or her writers did. Whatever. I like satire.
@Jay Cee Please explain how I
"Discriminate against people every day."
Spot on.
Satire. However ... Pretty much what goes down in the UK!
UK is known as the most godless country in the world so...
I live in California and believe me it’s EXACTLY like this!
Stop announcing your religion at every opportunity. It's a private & personal matter.
@@nelsonricardo3729 “So what did you do over the weekend?”
“I went to my sister’s wedding.” “Oh, where was the wedding?” “At our church.”
“I volunteered.” “Oh, where do you volunteer?” “I help out at my church’s homeless outreach program.”
Stop expecting people to hide major aspects of themselves in normal conversation just because you feel uncomfortable with religion. I highly doubt many religious people are truly trying to get you to convert when they’re just telling you about their life.
So many people seem to believe that Christians in the United States don’t experience discrimination. It seems so very strange that anyone could think that in light of globalization and the media. Bigotry towards Christianity is normalized. My faith-the belief that guides my entire life-is a comedic punching bag for anyone who cares to throw a punch. It’s rare to find a TV show that doesn’t take a potshot at Christians. A family friend legitimately asked my mom and myself how we could be so intelligent and believe in Christianity. He is hardly the only person who thinks that way.
Love you Tracy speaking truth to power I'm surprised BBC Let that be aired , creeps
Seriously! BBC has changed.
You don't mention religion in a job interview. PERIOD.
Unless applying for a job at the diocese. Then I recommend dropping it in.
I've had two experiences... one, when I joined a company and found the whole management staff were of religion X, and soon my email was full of requests for their friends, religious messages,etc. They weren't shy. It was easy for them to see that I wasn't playing along, since those messages were sent to all office addressees.
I left that company, to apply at a finance group, only to find at the second interview that I was being seen by the wives of the top agents there. They not very subtlely told me that the company only hired people like "its own", meaning adherents of religion X. This is a nationally known company too.... so that didn't work out. It was obvious they only wanted to hire people of their own religion.
I'm now interviewing for a third company, and a question I will ask is, "Does this company have a religious test for candidates?" I hate asking this, but I must.
I try not to mention it under most conditions.... but the religious are an in-group; if you don't match their expectations, they'll exclude you regardless of experience or talent or potential, as a member of the out-group. I have to ask.... it was an awful surprise at the first company, and I feel they should have disclosed their religiosity-policy at the first interview.
@@uncletravellingmatt588
Yeah, that might be helpful
@@jeanettecook1088 What's "religion X"?
@@jamesmcinnis208 I could tell you, but I prefer not to, because it wouldn't matter to the outcome. The psychodynamics involved would be the same for all religions, maybe worse in some.
Scary insight from Tracey.
Mmm, interesting to see that most people in the comments fail to realise that the point of the joke here is the reversal of roles...
No it isn't.
It is bottom rail on top now!
An old saying of the formerly oppressed. I appealed to your egalitarian nature to accept me as an equal and deserving of human dignity.
Within a few years or a generation, I, the liberated minority become the bigoted oppressor, when my numbers or protections under law make me able to perform such hate based acts of to require conformity to my imagined rules. Even to make the hate basis normal, as long as it is done by the protected minority. Even when that minority become a majority, they often cling to oppressed status well past it's reality.
To do evil in response to evil done long ago (especially by dead people) has no moral basis or foundation. It is a perversion done to grab power or simply based on perverted pride.
Liberty should be an ever growing circle of acceptance for people. Slowly expanding without sudden constrictions.
The true fulfillment of just law is a changed heart that wills to do right. All else is merely compliance-The morality of the child. What can I get away with.
That wasn't the point, actually.
@@STho205 Minorities in the UK are not bigoted oppressors; they simply don't have the population or institutional power.
@@mu5icnerd862 then she (the character) is nothing to be concerned about if her community population has dwindled to a minority.
@@STho205 still the overwhelming majority, including head of the damn government, which is her whole point.
Spot on
She's hilarious! 👏👏
Folks in the UK will get the message entirely. However, in America this sketch would go over the heads of most people.
Some americans would see it as an attack on religious freedom or sincerly held religious beliefs.
i'm in america... i get it. not sure i get it the same way you would get it. For me as an american who is *not* Christian but did try to spend part of his life in religion... this is about how the people of the UK dislike religious belief. I believe from your point of view in the UK this is about how it's crazy to be religious and how you want to keep any inkling of religion out of your lives, thank you. Even for a Christian this would be funny as a portrayal of the difficulty they face in living life in society. Anyway from my point of view it's still funny though (although I'm not Christian, not atheist, and not in the UK).
I think substituting Atheist for Christian would get you the US version.
@@PeterJames143 You miss the point completely. She's sayi9ng it's just as bad to judge someone for being Christian as it is for being black, gay etc
@@830927mjki nah . Aethist doing fine in US . The corporates have sufficient leftist pressure for that .
Tracey is a treasure.
In 2021, looking down at the comments, as an Aussie who'se lived both in the UK and the USA all I can add, it IS TRUE re opposites. (Aussie humour is far closer to that of the UK.)
These comments are just ridiculous.
The point the sketch is trying to make is that the moment you state your religion, people judge you. Christians commenting on the fact that they experience persecution does not, I repeat does NOT belittle the persecution faced by other religions.
The fact is that anyone of any religion is bound to face some sort of persecution at some point. Yes some people have it worse than others, but that doesn't make the low-level, day-to-day persecution ok.
If people stopped insulting each other just because they are 'different', the world would be a much easier place to live in. Just saying.
Roosje Keizer My thoughts exactly.
She used Christianity because its not persecuted like the jews or other minorities....p dident get the sketch😂thay think its about Christianity....
This sketch could have really been applied to any religion, because in this particular setting, it is unlikely that the reaction would have been any stronger because they don't want to appear bigoted. The thing is that this country is ok with people being religious so long as they keep all signs of their religion hidden away. Thats why people have such problems with burqas and the like. The fact is that no one of religion should be able to keep their religion hidden away because it defies one of the biggest aspects of religion, (i.e outreach)
No one should have to hide their religion away.
Shanto Lion they got that idea because she said she was a Christian. I would think that would be a expected conclusion. Christians have been persecuted in the past. I would think that this sketch demonstrates more discrimination than persecution. I've had this happen myself. They made my life hell all over my Faith. I think the assumption that many of you are making here as that Christians don't get discriminated against, or it's okay because for some reason since you don't agree with the tenants, it doesn't count.
: o) yeah..no..prolly not. Come to think of it, I've never mentioned my faith in any job interview. It does come up eventually, sooner or later though. Usually over something incidental. But yeah, not Cathar. Definitely not..Cathar. :o)
'What a nutter!' ... lolol
Reading the comments and seeing that many don't realize this is satire and is what real christian persecution would look like... if it really happened.
craze1701 I thought it was about how some Muslims are treated, but turned on its head.
IE your religion shouldn't count.
And it does happen!!
craze1701 Christian persecution worked well in Iraq since the 2nd Gulf War at the behest of the US and its allies. The British monarch and prime minister can not be catholic even today. Christians persecute each other often. It's fair to say religion is a lucrative business and that followers can be convinced of some incredulous things so in business it's rather important to leverage religion for profit but to avoid its adherents in important decisions.
Christian persecution in the West in the future will be done passive-aggressively. They'll be denied jobs, prosecuted for their speech and opinions, denied access to publicly funded schemes and will have their places of worship shut down for fear that the mere existence of a church will "incite hatred". And it will all be done under the banner of "tolerance". Oh the irony.
craze1701 It does happen it's the easiest group to discriminate against in the UK.
I love this sketch, but I am honestly not sure what its perspective is. I believe it has something to do with how connotation of being a Christian has changed. England is a Christian country, with a patron saint and a monarch who is also head of the church. The BBC has religious programs, people celebrate Christmas, etc. But still, if someone says they are a "Christian" like she did, people assume that you are going to be proselytizing or judging them.
This is why religious questions are not allowed on America'a job application forms.
Don't ask, don't tell.
@@quasimobius Aussie also.
When you say sociopathy, do you mean something without conscience, like burning people at the stake for believing in transubstantiation instead of consubstantiation or invading other countries in the name of a ‘crusade’ or frightening children by telling them will go to a made-up hell if they don’t do as they are told, or inflicting systematic sexual and physical abuse through religious institutes. 🤔
Ullman knew then!💜
I totally get this satire, and it is true for many countries where Islamic views and ideology are immersed into a society that is tolerant of them and their views to the exclusion of those who have other faiths or none at all.
It is troubling how many people are seeing this and not realising that it is not actually about religious discrimination but the discrimination of people who do not share one's beliefs. It is trying to convey a message to the very idiots who would probably do the same to an atheist.
Or maybe it's about how the UK is rated the most godless country in the world now
... never give anyone the opportunity to say no.
@@-.00__I__o8o__I__00. don't mention anything that may offend - religion, politics, sport, sex, etc.
What ever happened to the notion “you do not discuss Religion or Politics” in public?
I like to discuss politics just to wind people up!
Well, not at work. I’ll discuss those things anywhere else.
Dumb notion
How do religion or politics ever exist then, since the are, by definition, a collective moral, ethical or pragmatic creed.
"No religion or politics at the poker table" is a common refrain in US card rooms.
Politics are discussed publicly on TV, radio, and podcasts every day. I can't imagine an official political debate happening in private. I can imagine religions that do not proselytize.
I interviewed for a position as a Hospice Chaplain a number of years ago. At the time I was serving as a Veteran's Affairs Hospital Chaplain. The Interviewer inquired about my particular religious affiliation and when I replied that I was a conservative (theologically) but served successfully in a Multi-faith setting she indicated I would probably not be a "good fit". Her explanation: She believed Conservative Christians could not serve in a multi-faith setting because they were "too narrow" in their perspective.
isn't it racist?
You cannot get Christians from different denominations to work together. They self-destruct in doctrinal infighting. Maggie Thatcher tried getting the Christians to sort out the boat migrants, got nowhere...
@@beakytwitch7905 -- I have worked for a non-profit that had Christians of all different denominations. It never self-destructed in doctrinal infighting. It's been around for over 75 years with Catholics, Protestants, liberal theologians, conservative theologians--you name it--on the board and at all levels throughout the organization. Amazingly, people can actually disagree about issues and still be friends, and can even work together. It's a concept you should try out sometime.
@@peterpike nope. They cannot get along - just too bigoted , too judgemental and too gossipy. A dreadful crew .... Probably comes about because they seek to nit pickingly micromanage each others lives. 10,000 grubby little fiefdoms. YUK !!! Comes about for two reasons 1/ baptism was illegally supplanted by "confirmation" where to get permission to be a Christian the follower first has to pledge allegiance to the pope, queen, tribal boss.... 2/ publishing bibles - Christianity is meant for illiterate ignorant peasants with parable rich pictures to mull over whilst grubbing in the mud. Now it is legalistic and literalistic and browbeating over petty details the order of the day .
@@peterpike I would submit that a non-profit is a different setting than hospice. By definition you're dealing with people's end-of-life issues and that has the potential to be a theological lightning rod.
I've seen an actual example of this in the U.S. The boss had a party for employees and brought up a new hire. This is our new hire, a "Jesus Freak", and blah blah. The person never showed up the first day. I regret not standing up for the new hire to this day
wow, he must've only hired them to see how much abuse they'd take before quitting. What an ass. That "Jesus Freak" was probably the only employee who would've given "boss man" CPR or Heimlich in an emergency.
I was in a company in the US where a senior executive, when he had the floor at all-hands meetings, would pull out his Bible and start reading some passage to make a point about whatever the topic was. He would also manage to inject some religious reference into almost every conversation and meeting. It was a very multicultural employee base but what united us all was the eye-rolling at this gratuitous behavior. Completely inappropriate and a waste of everyone's time...
The Bible says to be employed with other Christians, so the guy may have been right to leave.
@Angelina Maybe some tennis balls, I don't know about basketballs!
@@quasimobius Good point, I only lasted three months, I got tired of having to beg him to pay me each week
she's genius!
I’m a Christian and unfortunately have a problem with many Christians these days. But that’s the world we live in these days.
Thanks for being so nice about it.
Weirdo
I work with some christians. Some are hard working, others aren't. Some are punctual and others aren't. One was very sketchy, did a lousy job, tooted her horn all of the time and after she left, it took me months to get her office, staff, files, everything back to a semblance of functionality. My experience is that christians are no better and usually no worse than other workers.
we had an employee like that. the christian who toots their own horn. this one didn't just do her job wrong, she did christianity wrong.
That's not the premise of the skit. I'm sorry but you missed the point, entirely. They are trying to convey through satire that Christians are weird and nobody wants to deal with their pushy beliefs. It weirds people out in this day and age to meet a religious person because atheist see them as delusional and crazy, that was the premise of the skit... religious people are delusional and weird and I agree.
Robert it just goes to show you that Christians are human like everyone else.
Jacob, all religions are persecuted at some level. The definition of persecution: "subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their race or political or religious beliefs." I do not know of any religion that has not had jokes made at their expense or derogatory remarks or received ridicule I, myself, as a Catholic Christian have experienced plenty. Having friends of just about every religion, I have also witnessed "persecution" of their beliefs (Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, etc.). And within the Christian community, Baptists against Catholics, Lutherans against Methodists, Methodists against Calvinist. Their is no sanctuary from religious hostility.
I don't think the point of the sketch is that Christians are weird and that nobody wants to work with them, being that it is all Christians' fault. The Christian lady is highly qualified and they are very impressed with her until...she mentions being a Christian. Similar to someone mentioning their ethnicity or being an Atheist or a member of a political party. It is the office staff who then are ruffled and prejudiced, admitting to it when she asks if they think Christians are "weird". It displays their narrow-mindedness, not hers. They are being offensive, and I could see being very annoyed at employers for acting that way as well. Her forgiving them is mixed with offense and sincerity.
That actually happened to me 30 years ago in the UK. The interviewer was greatly upset that I attended church. I didn't get the job. The interviewer was physically changed when he discovered I was a Christian.
How the hell would the interviewer know you attended church? Unless you brought the interview into inappropriate territory...
"...the interviewer was physically changed..." Really? How? Did he grow horns and a tail?
Well, you two commenters got the fangs out pretty quickly. Let's have fun, and change "I'm a Christian" to "I'm a Muslim" and see what bile you'll choke back...even though that monotheistic religion has many of the same non- scientific beliefs, it's not politically correct to subject it to the same ridicule...🙄
How did s/he find out?
@@lenawagenfuehr53 I mock and ridicule the immorality and absurdity of the 3 abrihanic religions equally...I'd say the catholic church was the most dangerous but now I'd say Islam.
I'm happy to mock any pathetic demonstrably false religion.
YOU ARE A GENIUS!
As a member of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster AKA “Pastafarian” we pray:
“He doth bless us with his noodley goodness.”
R’amen
Love you Tracey
Please. I’m in the US and it is INSANE here. So many ‘christains’ and they friggin talk about it all the time as if it means something positive. Lord!!
It does
@@susandavis6477
You mean the positivity of genocide, slavery, paedophilia & control in religion?
Have you ever contemplated what it actually means and the implications if true? Probably not.
Now that I think about it, I’ve worked with hundreds of people and the only ones who feel the need to lecture their religious beliefs are Christians. Just my experience and I can see what their concerns were especially if they’ve experienced the holier-than-thou insufferable people who make others uncomfortable.
I myself have experienced just out of the blue “I believe you need guidance. You should come to my church”
My reply was “Let’s see. My children aren’t in prison like yours. I’m not in bankruptcy like you are. I haven’t cheated on my spouse like you have. And people don’t avoid me on the workfloor because they’re certain they won’t get a moral lecture from me. So no, I won’t be going to your church.”
All companies preach their values, but tell you as an employee to check your morality at the door.
@@pashadyne the western law is based on christianity e.g. no murder
@@pashadyne Christians don't threaten people with punishment though.... if someone does something immoral to them, the only thing they can do is separate themselves from that person. If someone hits them they are instructed to turn the other check, if someone wrongs them they must forgive them. That's why you have Christian martyrs who have died for their faith. I think (I ll have to double check) the bible also instructs that the laws of the land are not necessarily Christian laws, which is why as a Christian you are not suppose to make any oaths in court or out of it. The fact that our existing law system has been influenced by Christianity - doesn't make it Christian.
@RED PILL PORTAL absolutely right. Western society is based on a judeo- Christian value set. Not religion or law but a fundamental set of unwritten (o.k some of them are written) rules that we all follow. Its what keeps people in check. If your a good person you automatically follow these, it's the stuff your parents teach you even if they aren't leaving religion.
@@seabreeze4559 Haha.
@@pashadyne it used to be legal to kill english men in england, according to norse rulers. Read more.
Sad but true
BBC + Funny ... This is a very unusual combination. Thank you
ooohhhhh !
Good for you Tracy for calling out on Christian prejudice that never gets called out upon and in fact always hidden under the rug. Bravo Tracy and God bless you!
You've completely missed the mark. This sketch is imagining what the world would be like if Christians were subject the same kind of discrimination that other religions currently face, such as Muslims.
@@ronanpayinda4978Whilst I agree the descrimination that Muslims etc face is bad, Christians are still subject to an ever growing amount of prejudice, which it is what the sketch is about. The new problem of Christian prejudice (albeit not as severe as the prejudice other faiths face) is being swept under the rug and its stuff that not that long ago would have happened
@Jay Cee Two things, just so we aren't talking crossed purposes, in what ways are you presupposing Christians are legally allowed to 'discriminate'. Also, does this stance just apply to Christianity, or to other faiths and religions that hold similar conservative views?
I once got a resume where the applicant noted she volunteered for an anti-abortion group. As I recall, she didn't have good quals otherwise so I dodged the bullet of whether to interview her or not.
Yeah imagine the horror of having to work with someone who is against murdering babies...you really dodged a bullet there mate
What an interesting choice of words you used to describe her. I would have said Pro-Life group but there you go. Seeing as only the living can work apart from robots, are you planning on up-teching in your company? Can you afford it? I'm sure you'll be able to hire poor migrants at subsistance wages instead. I believe that was formally known as slavery.
Imagine having no self awareness to admitting you are fine with killing babies.
Hint for the some of the people commenting: this isn't actually about _Christians_ being discriminated against, just like the Monty Python sketch about "The Mouse Problem" isn't actually about mice.
The difference between the UK and the USA.
I thought she was going to say, well bless your hearts.
That was deeply disturbing.
So true..
They dodged a bullet.
Reckon you might have missed the point champ?
@@ashcoops6962 Looked like a bullseye to me.
@@ashcoops6962I'm at the other end of the spectrum in the US. I don't feel like I can be very open about not being a believer, especially in the workplace. I've even worked for faith based charities where there's no pressure to accept a religious point of view so long as everyone is respectful to each other. It's in general workplaces where I have to essentially hide from the holy rollers who are convinced that their job is to "save" you. I get Tracey's point about the UK, though. It's ironic since state schools still have religion involved in ways that would be illegal in the US. Although those constitutional rights are being eroded now.
It is a UK sketch and most people are atheists in the UK. UK Christians can be given a criminal record for not putting a gay message on a cake.
Serious? That's fucked up
Jesse Ward
No - he's joking!
A comedy sketch but so true. I am a Christian and as soon as I say it to some people, I see that momentary shock in their eyes before composure comes back.
So you can see what the issue is?
The God Realised and the unRealised, alike, are only interested in your fruits, not what you say you are.
What you say you are, in this respect, is rather antithetical to actual humility.
E.g. if someone saw you in prayer, being unconditionally lovingly unself-centred, lost to the eternal moment, extremely giving, etc they might feel that you are very lovingly devout to your humanity and/or crazy, differing, slightly, from normal.
So keep your religion to yourself. That’s the way it should be anyway.
Your religious beliefs should be irrelevant. Stop pushing them at people they won’t look at you funny.
The discomfort comes from wondering why you mention it and what you want them to say. It’s too personal for most people. Or they can’t relate. Just don’t go there.
Lol y’all wanna be victims so bad. 😂
Do you preach your religion at inappropriate times like during job interviews? Do you knock on people's doors without a mask during a pandemic like the christians did at my house? Did you make fun of people for demanding that you wear a mask when you are on their private property? Did you say to me that you don't give one damn about my life because "the afterlife" is the only thing that matters? If so, you are a member of the religion that was founded upon a human sacrifice that you benefited from. Congratulations, you have revealed yourself as a person of low character.
So true!!!!
This is absolutely true. It's what happens.
It happens to Christians in the UK.
as it should, Ben, as it should! Society has to draw the line somewhere. Let's start with these nutters.
@@JaneAustenAteMyCat how about that one that opens your parliament and meets your PM every week? does it happen to her? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
This is great!
I wonder what would happen if the person was jewish or a muslim and they would make fun of them as they just did with this BBC satirical comedy scene, SJW would be outside the BBC front doors in seconds along with a court summons.
Oh no, it's a hate crime if implemented against any religion EXCEPT Christianity. Funny...that.
You have completely missed the mark. This sketch is imagining what the world would be like if Christians were subject the same kind of discrimination that other religions currently face, such as Muslims.
That's because muslims and Jews actually stand up for and respect their religion- people have gotten used to insulting Christians and getting no reaction🤷♀️
That's a valid observation.
As one who twice in my career has been cajoled into being classed as Christian because it smooths the water, I identify with this, albeit I have never known it work the other way round. I might add that was 50 years ago and hopefully things have improved now.
The point is that things have NOT "improved;" rather, there has just been a switch in designated villains.
1:21 Do you think it makes me a bit weird?
Them: "......"
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This just proves the old maxim that unless specifically asked, you should keep your personal beliefs to yourself, and even if asked, unless it is specifically relevant, you should say that it is no-ones business except yours.
After all, the Bible even said that believers should be known for their fruit.
I remember going to work in Germany about 15 years ago. I had to register my residence and my religion at the local shire office. No big deal until I realised they took 5% church tax from my pay. A work colleague told me later that I could have avoided this tax had I said to them that I was an atheist...wish some one had told me sooner? Apparently the money you paid in was relevant in regards what school your kids went to and so on but my kids were all grown up at that time. Interesting world we live in!
Do you mean they’re all bananas
@@realPromotememedia Yes.
@Paul Wieringa
No, you are wrong.
Please give me an example (outside of religious institutions) where you need to declare your personal belief systems in order to apply for a job.
Paul Wieringa why is it best to tho?
"drawr on..." I've always been tickled by that.
Wish I'd done this at my interview at Whole Foods.
Truer than you know.