Best Budget Espresso Grinder Showdown // OPUS vs ENCORE ESP Review

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  • Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
  • Review of the Fellow Opus and Baratza Encore ESP and comparison
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    Timecodes:
    0:00 - INTRO
    1:14 - OPUS REVIEW
    8:34 - ENCORE ESP REVIEW
    13:04 - Standart
    14:45 - Taste Test
    17:26 - Turin SD40
    18:08 - 4th Place
    19:53 - Varia VS3
    20:53 - ESP
    21:15 - Lagom Mini
    21:58 - FINAL THOUGHTS
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Комментарии • 504

  • @redchen3682
    @redchen3682 Год назад +222

    I appreciate your recognition to new coffee enthusiasts by not assuming everyone understands all the technical terms about coffee and Espresso. Keep it up.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +15

      Happy to help!

    • @coffeenerdaaron
      @coffeenerdaaron Год назад +5

      Very much agreed, Kyle does a great job keeping it understandable and simple yet giving enough detail. I try to do the same in my videos 😊

  • @tmurph2309
    @tmurph2309 Год назад +16

    Congrats on the silver button! After much anticipation for this review, you once again knock it out of the park with your product reviews/comparisons. Really appreciate the content! Side note my September Coffee delivery arrives today and I’m so stoked 🤘🏼

  • @gayosso0709
    @gayosso0709 Год назад +4

    SILVER BUTTON !!!
    Congrats Kyle love your super in depth reviews and will take them to heart!

  • @rejected02
    @rejected02 Год назад +2

    Silver Button! Well deserved, congratulations. Thanks for all that you do. It has made my journey into coffee/espresso way easier. And thanks for this video.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      Honestly, thank you! Impossible without you as an audience

  • @mercurimike3027
    @mercurimike3027 5 месяцев назад +2

    Silver Button!!! Congrats!! Thanks for the videos, just got a Gaggia EVO Pro Classic and now looking into a grinder and the opus has the price and look I like.

  • @bernym3663
    @bernym3663 Год назад +1

    congrat on the silver button!! love the content and appreciate the reviews

  • @LanceHedrick
    @LanceHedrick Год назад +6

    LETS GO!

  • @marcusannegarn8497
    @marcusannegarn8497 Год назад +43

    This sort of content is so extremely useful.
    The effort doesn't go unnoticed!
    It's also just entertaining in its own right.
    These sorts of comparison videos are gold dust.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +4

      Thank you! A lot… and I mean, a lot of time goes into it. This was finished at 3am. It’s appreciated!

  • @stavroskonstantinidis277
    @stavroskonstantinidis277 Год назад +4

    I really was looking for a review for the Opus thats authentic and not bought by company... for the Varia VS3, too. thanks man!

  • @paryzfilip
    @paryzfilip Год назад

    Amazing silver button Kyle! Well deserved! I'm so happy for you!

  • @Tristan_the_ultimate
    @Tristan_the_ultimate 11 месяцев назад +1

    Appreciate the effort, sir Kyle, for making really detailed and informative reviews, especially for budget grinders. Will you also be making a Turin SK40 review soon?

  • @JJShankles
    @JJShankles Год назад +1

    Congrats on the Silver button! It is such an amazing award, and an amazing achievement

  • @coffeenerdaaron
    @coffeenerdaaron Год назад +1

    Another fantastic video Kyle!!! Great details and I love the comparisons to the other grinders. I’m planning on doing some follow up videos to my Opus review with some comparisons to other grinders. Keep up the awesome work man!!! 🔥

  • @dahveed284
    @dahveed284 Год назад +6

    Nice review! I'm a filter drinker that wanted to replace my ancient Bodum grinder/coffee ground spreader. I ordered the Opus last week and it comes tomorrow. Someday I might get back into espresso, so I wanted a grinder that would allow me to do that while still grinding my daily brew.

  • @VoltsSanchez
    @VoltsSanchez Год назад

    Congratulations on the silver button! Well deserved for a great channel :)

  • @fagerholmjimmy
    @fagerholmjimmy Год назад

    Silver button!! 🎉 Happy to see this happen, all best to you Kyle!

  • @dylan-nguyen
    @dylan-nguyen Год назад +3

    Congrats Kyle, I got the Normcore hand grinder based on your review a while back
    I never knew how much better my aeropress could taste
    Love the hand grinder reviews!

  • @nateperry405
    @nateperry405 Год назад +1

    Congrats on the plaque. I’ve throughly enjoyed your videos and look forward to what you’re going to do this year!

  • @JimboJason
    @JimboJason Год назад +2

    Congratulations on the Silver, and thanks for making excellent coffee related content!

  • @kuyalicious
    @kuyalicious Год назад +1

    Thanks for this! Really informed a decision I'm making!

  • @DrewCommins
    @DrewCommins Год назад +11

    Congrats on the silver button!
    I just got the Opus and yeah, dialing in espresso is tricky. Out of the box, at the finest setting, I was getting a 15 sec. shot but going a couple of ticks finer in the inner dial made it much better. As far as noise, it's much louder than an Ode so I can just imagine the cacophony a Baratza would make. It would probably wake the house.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +2

      Haha the Baratza is very loud. It’s a very common reality with their products but their results are great.

  • @NocturneS711
    @NocturneS711 Год назад

    New subscriber here. Congrats on your silver button! I'm so glad I found this video because I'm craving for a new grinder to replace my cheap coffee/spice blender. Everything about the grinders is clear and the comparison is pretty neat. The conclusion is very helpful, which leads me to the Opus. Thank you and you totally deserve the silver button! :)

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Thanks for watching! And welcome!

  • @kevinsutjr908
    @kevinsutjr908 Год назад

    Congrats Kyle, good job!!
    Cant wait to see what else you gonna bring in the future

  • @SeanGordon-ym4yf
    @SeanGordon-ym4yf Год назад +1

    Thanks for this great comparison Kyle!

  • @spektrograf
    @spektrograf 11 месяцев назад

    Silver button! Congratulations, Kyle! 🎉🎊

  • @MaxFromGermany
    @MaxFromGermany Год назад

    Silver Button 🎉🎉🎉 Congratulation!!! Keep up the awesome work 👍👍👍

  • @Productivityist
    @Productivityist Год назад

    Congratulations on the silver button! And while I wait for the Cuisinart upstairs, that my wife uses to die a slow butt, hopefully soon death, I’ll stick with my original Encore for now. But now that I’m starting to explore espresso a bit more, it’ll be interesting to see what I go with next. I might just stick with Baratza on this one

  • @lastfour
    @lastfour Год назад +4

    Congrats on the silver button!
    I was expecting this video from you, and you clarified that the Baratza is a better option for my needs. The adjustment system on the ESP is just clever! I'm not very good at math so the Opus is a no-no for me (I also don't like the plasticky feel). But both look like good options.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +3

      Glad to help! To be clear, both are plastic. And really the math is only needed for precision on espresso

    • @benjaminfranklin4760
      @benjaminfranklin4760 6 месяцев назад

      Barazza*

  • @christianbeauvais5777
    @christianbeauvais5777 Год назад

    Congrats! Keep up the great work!

  • @sideast
    @sideast 2 месяца назад

    Silver Button ! was looking for a realistic review on the Opus

  • @michaelboyack5775
    @michaelboyack5775 Год назад

    Congratulations Kyle!!

  • @LouiePrimeau
    @LouiePrimeau Год назад +1

    Silver button!!! I’ve just recently got a breville, and am looking into getting a buffet espresso grinder. I have been using my X pro for all my shots and am getting tired of cranking lol. I would be really interested in your thoughts on the Varia vs3s upgraded burr options. Really appreciate the content!

  • @sleepygummy7816
    @sleepygummy7816 Год назад +2

    Thanks to your videos, I've gained a lot of useful info about coffee. I also bought Wacaco Picopresso, which I love it.
    Currently, I use Timemore C2 grinder, but it takes ages for getting espresso powder. So, I'm having an eye for Varia VS3 (to replace my current grinder) due to its design and a wide grinding range. Would you recommend Varia VS3 for home use (up to 5 cups a day)? Or going for Lagom mini? in case, I don't wanna change grinder often.

  • @brettsiegle9163
    @brettsiegle9163 Год назад

    SILVER BUTTON! Congrats 😊

  • @SaltySaltySalty.
    @SaltySaltySalty. Год назад

    Silver button! Congrats, Kyle! Thrilled to see a video from you today. I'm looking for an electric replacement for Kinu M47 (4+ shots daily)

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Hope you found what you we're looking for!

  • @VentoRacing1
    @VentoRacing1 Год назад

    Hay it's been a while since I watched one of your videos. You have really improved.

  • @RobertFHarrison
    @RobertFHarrison Год назад

    Silver Button! You've done a great job and definitely deserve it...keep it up!

  • @viranjith
    @viranjith Год назад

    Congratulations on 100k!

  • @timmilligan7110
    @timmilligan7110 Год назад +1

    I enjoy most Fellow products. My Ode with SSP burrs has been a great pour over grinder so far. The Opus doesn't strike me as aesthetically pleasing as Fellow's other products (looks big and bulky.) The Baratza looks like a standard kitchen appliance while the Varia looks higher end. Thanks for the review! I have a lot of friends that ask which lower end grinder I'd recommend and that is always a hard one due to compromises that may affect some people more than others.

  • @imstigma
    @imstigma Год назад

    huge congrats on the Silver Button!

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      Thanks! And thanks for watching

  • @Kaleidoscope2412
    @Kaleidoscope2412 Год назад

    Congrats on the silver play button. Had to watch this for your opinion after seeing what Lance had to say about both of these.

  • @georgelien
    @georgelien Год назад

    What an exciting year !

  • @meatgeorge
    @meatgeorge Год назад

    A mate of mine was actually asking my advise as he is wanting to get into brewing better coffee at home and I led him to this video letting him know he's living the best possible time as far as options go.
    He's more into filter coffee but wants to go into espresso later on and it seems like the ESP and Opus are tailor made for people that are at that point in their coffee journey.
    Seems so far people who are further along that have more expensive grinders see this is not for us, but excellent grinders for us to recommend to those starting out their journey towards becoming home baristas.
    Starting out myself with the original Encore it's easy to recommend, and Fellow having many products including the Ode it's easy to vouch for their quality.

  • @julianb.1944
    @julianb.1944 7 месяцев назад +1

    Heyy man love the content! What’s the best grinder under 300 today? Should I get the encore or the varia or maybe the opus?

  • @TheBradleyd1146
    @TheBradleyd1146 Год назад

    Hey Kyle, great video as always. If one was making milk based Espresso drinks, would the Turin SD40 still be a good option ?

  • @AlexZapata-
    @AlexZapata- Год назад

    Great video as always!

  • @ToddParker
    @ToddParker Год назад +5

    I have the lagom mini, getting Argos lever when Ross ships. Moonshine burr? Very excited to experience this setup! I believe Baratza has changed the game with their threaded burr adjustment mechanic in this new Baratza Encore grinder. I have Baratza Preciso in the office after my lagom mini upgrade for home and the micro/macro adjustment dual ring is now obsolete with magnified frustration.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +4

      Thanks for watching Todd! Yes this was the moonshine indeed!

  • @lukemorison2355
    @lukemorison2355 Год назад +1

    silver button! love your work Kyle!

  • @sirlimpsalot7767
    @sirlimpsalot7767 Год назад +1

    100k and never slowing down, always a great page to learn and grow for all levels

  • @ropro9817
    @ropro9817 Год назад

    Congrats on 100k! 🎉🎉🎉

  • @notme123123
    @notme123123 Год назад

    Congrats on the silver button! This was a great comparison video, thanks. On a related note, I’m still using a Rancilio Rocky, which I’ve had for about a decade. Where does that fit in the current grinder landscape?

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      The Rocky is an interesting one. I think it's a bit outdated for it's price and offerings. I would no longer recommend it given the landscape of options we have today.

  • @conormclaughlin5811
    @conormclaughlin5811 Год назад

    Congrats on the Silver Button!

  • @adriangonzalezdpt
    @adriangonzalezdpt Год назад

    Silver button! Congrats Kyle!

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Thanks! and thanks for watching!

  • @jeremyromand
    @jeremyromand 5 месяцев назад

    Well that settled it for me. The big piece for me is Baratza has really great service and parts. I have the encore but looking to play with espresso. So the ESP really makes sense to me.
    Thanks for the Video!!

  • @kanotrt
    @kanotrt Год назад

    SILVER BUTTON! AWESOME - CONGRATS!

  • @toto408
    @toto408 Год назад

    Great review! Good to compare with what other RUclipsrs have published 😊

  • @wakeawaken430
    @wakeawaken430 Год назад

    0:38
    I am excited too my friend , i was waiting a comparison between vs3 and Opus, now i am going to press play again 👍👍👍

  • @lancemoore3867
    @lancemoore3867 Год назад

    Silver button! My man, congratulations 🎉

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Thanks Lance! Appreciate you as always

  • @andrewbourn1513
    @andrewbourn1513 Год назад +8

    Hi Kyle! First time watcher and really enjoyed your video. Question:
    Would the ESP or Opus be a better espresso grinder than the built in grinder on the Breville Barista Express? I am interested in buying a grinder that can do both filter and espresso but wasn't sure if I'd be gaining anything from what I already have.
    Congrats on the silver button and keep it up!

  • @martinmanzi1830
    @martinmanzi1830 Год назад

    Grande Kyle!! Nice comparison and good to see the old reviewed guys competing once again hahaha

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      The old reviewed guys?

    • @martinmanzi1830
      @martinmanzi1830 Год назад

      @@KyleRowsell haha with love, the SD and the lagom asking to compete and show what they got too

  • @mikeLssd
    @mikeLssd Год назад

    Great review! Congrats on the silver button. Would you recommend the ESP as a an upgrade to those with the built in grinder on the breville barista pro ? Thanks

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Not a massive upgrade. I’d save for a sette 270 for better adjustment or the lagom mini, for example.

  • @ramrammer5138
    @ramrammer5138 Год назад

    Congrats on silvery button Kyle!!

  • @AlexCamerony
    @AlexCamerony Год назад +1

    I tried to guess the espresso cup comparison and it was close, just had the Opus and encore switched. Thought the Opus would have ended up second, maybe it really comes down to those adjustments or it's just the burr diff.
    Congrats on the silver button, great comparison 👍🏻

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      It was also just one blind test. A different coffee could have had different results.

  • @PaulWalker87
    @PaulWalker87 Год назад

    Congrats on the silver button!

  • @CalebJoaquin
    @CalebJoaquin Год назад

    YAY! Congrats on that silver button my man!

  • @What_If_We_Tried
    @What_If_We_Tried 7 месяцев назад +1

    Kyle, thanks so much for this clear, concise, and easy to understand budget grinder review, because I am looking for a new grinder.
    I brew moka pot for myself, and V60 for my wife, but our Oster / Mr Coffee grinder has horrible static issues, needs to be cleaned often, and stalls from time to time.
    Was thinking of the Ode Gen 2 - nice form factor - but the new / much higher price is entering Eureka Mignon territory. Love the look, and metal construction of Varia VS3, but it's new, and would have to be direct shipped from China as it's not available where I live.
    So, because of your review, I plan to buy the Baratza Encore ESP, for now, until we decide whether or not we want an espresso machine. And if we do purchase one, I think the Encore ESP will be our permanent filter, French press, or Chemex grinder.
    * subscribed *

  • @nachoote260
    @nachoote260 Год назад +2

    If I were just starting, I would 100% be getting one of these, probably the Encore.

  • @glassjaw890
    @glassjaw890 Год назад +1

    Silver button! Congrats 👏🏻

  • @jkim177
    @jkim177 Год назад +1

    SILVERRR! Favorite review for opus and encore! Not in the market for them but still very interesting to listen. Loving your September Coffee (congrats!), absolutely amazing and my favorite coffee of the year so far.

  • @jwanger142
    @jwanger142 Год назад +2

    “I’d rather not talk about that” 😆 you rock Kyle. Congrats on the silver button.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +2

      Haha. I mean.. I have a lot to say… but thanks for watching 😅

    • @jwanger142
      @jwanger142 Год назад +1

      @@KyleRowsell keep doing you man. I’ve been watching since your robot review, thanks for all the quality coffee content man.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      @@jwanger142 thank you!

  • @Pembalap
    @Pembalap 16 дней назад

    Thanks for the review.
    I bought 3 Baratza Encore many years ago for my office. It is a kind of difficult to clean thoroughly, the curve of the way for coffe to go to the collection box is a kind of S-shape, which is difficult to open and clean.
    The Opus seems a lot easier.
    And it is more pleasant to use easy to clean & maintain grinder.

  • @sobrangitm
    @sobrangitm Год назад +4

    one question: Fellow dropped the price of the Ode Gen 1 to $255 and right now you can get it refurbished for just $195. Curious how you would compare the Opus to the Ode Gen 1 (w/ just the Gen 1 burrs, not the Gen2 burrs)? Does the anti-static tech and wider range of grind adjustment (especially for filter coffee) put the Opus over the Ode Gen 1 despite its cheaper build? My use case is primarily V60 pour over and French press though; I don’t plan on getting into espresso, which is all the more reason why I’m not sure if the Opus is the better buy since you can now get the Ode Gen 1 on ReBrew for the same price. I’d really appreciate your help with this!! 🙏🏾☕️

  • @BensBeanBrew
    @BensBeanBrew Год назад +1

    Congratulations on the silver button, I bet it feels great

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      Ha, it’s a milestone but honestly not much changes otherwise.

  • @angelbeck4713
    @angelbeck4713 Год назад +1

    Thanks for what you do bud.

  • @adrianlu1371
    @adrianlu1371 Год назад

    congrats on reaching 100k subs!

  • @nicolasfortin4216
    @nicolasfortin4216 Год назад

    silver button
    congrats 🎉
    and on September also 👍👍👍

  • @davitdayou
    @davitdayou Год назад +1

    Hi Kyle. I am enjoying my Miicoffee C38 (same as SPTK-38 G) bought from Amazon 260$, and generally same as Lagom mini, and I think it’s the best choice in this category. I watched your video on it and got inspired… only questions is can this fit moonshine burrs for Lagom mini???

  • @TheDusty0ne
    @TheDusty0ne Год назад

    Good buying guide! Hope that it will help people in making their decision.

  • @balboy14
    @balboy14 Год назад

    Silver Button! Congratulations!

  • @SoImPlayer2
    @SoImPlayer2 Год назад +1

    Great review! Will you be revering the timemore sculptor any time soon? Would love to see that head to head with the lagom mini, ode etc

  • @peter__p_a_n2563
    @peter__p_a_n2563 6 месяцев назад

    @Kyle Roswell, very informative video but for me the question would be if any of the two are a noticeable improvement over the grinder on the Barista express?

  • @charlesdepelteau6298
    @charlesdepelteau6298 Год назад +1

    Silver button! Congrats!

  • @joefranceschino3131
    @joefranceschino3131 Год назад

    Great video very informative thank you. I am just looking into getting into grinding my own beans. I generally drink 2 to 3 cups a day and use an Aeropress. This may be sacrilegious but could you make a recommendation on an electric grinder. Can’t use hand grinders because of arthritis.
    Thanks for you help.

  • @juanmanuelnunezsoto1911
    @juanmanuelnunezsoto1911 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome video! 👏👏

  • @kombicoffee
    @kombicoffee Год назад

    Silver button! Great job!

  • @jennifermarchlewski1607
    @jennifermarchlewski1607 Год назад

    Silver button! Congratulations!☕☕😁🎆🎉

  • @thenameiwantedwastaken
    @thenameiwantedwastaken Год назад +4

    I’m surprised that of all the people I’ve seen review the Opus, I’m surprised no one has compared it to the Breville Smart Grinder Pro, which I think it would be a direct competitor to in spec, ability and price

  • @AndreaDellaCorte-qg2zg
    @AndreaDellaCorte-qg2zg Год назад

    Congrats for silver button, do you think timemore sculptor will be same price range of the Encore and Opus? It seems a really nice espresso grinder

  • @Johnnybananass-_
    @Johnnybananass-_ Год назад +1

    Breville now owns Baratza. so keen to see how their acquired tech gets shared back to Breville grinders being mass produced at entry prices.,

  • @CraftyEnelrad
    @CraftyEnelrad Год назад +1

    Silver button - Congrats

  • @arogalski
    @arogalski 11 месяцев назад +2

    I know you did a video on the old Baratza Encore vs the Breville Smart Grinder Pro. How would you compare this new version Baratza Encore ESP to the Breville?

  • @rellify3
    @rellify3 Год назад +1

    I have an 1ZPresso JX-Pro that I use for mostly espresso with the occasional pour over. I like it a lot, but I get tired of hand grinding in the morning lol. Thinking about picking up an electric grinder, but I don't want to buy one that will be a significant downgrade to the cup I currently get. Do you think the quality of the ESP is comparable to the JX-Pro?

  • @LaurenF123
    @LaurenF123 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the great comparison! I am currently exclusively using a hand grinder for 2-3 espresso drinks every day. I'm glad there are multiple options in this price point, but I think I'll stick with my J-Max.

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching! And nice!

    • @hisdesciples
      @hisdesciples 7 месяцев назад

      If you were to grind Ethiopian light roast what would your settings be for jmax?

  • @yannickbougard8706
    @yannickbougard8706 Год назад

    Silver button! Congratulations.
    Question for espresso encore ESP vs Jmax? Considering manual grinding a non factor. Pure taste. Which is best?

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад

      Similar. JMax will be easier to dial

  • @dawsen
    @dawsen Год назад

    Silver Button! You deserve all the success!

  • @briantan3931
    @briantan3931 7 месяцев назад

    Would love to see a comparison between the Encore ESP and the Turin SK40

  • @paulakidd9532
    @paulakidd9532 Год назад

    Silver Button! Congrats

  • @tadda6282
    @tadda6282 Год назад

    Silver button. Congratulations on the great work.

  • @rlsimmons900
    @rlsimmons900 Год назад +1

    Congrats on silver button! Cool September hat too!

  • @codycantrell2780
    @codycantrell2780 Год назад

    Love the content! Would have loved to see something like the J Max against these budget electric grinders. Maybe in the future

    • @KyleRowsell
      @KyleRowsell  Год назад +1

      The JMax is a hand grinder. I think if you are willing to hand grind your mind should already be made up. that is superior value.

    • @codycantrell2780
      @codycantrell2780 Год назад +1

      @@KyleRowsell I had just purchased a J Max for espresso use when these released, so I was curious how these new budget electric grinders compared to hand grinders at the same price point. If they truly don’t compete, I’ll stick to hand grinding! Thanks!