The Best Budget Coffee Grinder Under $300?!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- The best budget coffee grinder under $300 for home?
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
2:18 - Urbanic Overview
3:17 - Breville Overview
4:00 - Encore Overview
4:59 - Varia Overview
6:07 - Sette Overview
7:27 - SD40 Overview
8:29 - Hand Grinders Overview (X PRO & JX)
9:40 - Standart Magazine
10:47 - Urbanic 080 Tasting
11:50 - Breville SGP Tasting
13:55 - Baratza Encore Tasting
15:02 - Varia VS3 Tasting
17:50 - Sette 30 Tasting
19:12 - SD40 Tasting
20:55 - Hand Grinder Tastings
21:53 - Urbanic Verdict
22:52 - Breville Verdict
23:36 - Encore Verdict
24:29 - VS3 Verdict
26:33 - Sette Verdict
27:26 - SD40 Verdict
28:08 - Hand Grinders Verdict
28:47 - Top Picks
31:17 - Ending 
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When a 'budget grinder' is defined as sub-$300... 😅
@@ropro9817 for an electric grinder? Absolutely it is.
Interesting take on the varia VS3. I checked it out in the eight ounce coffee show room and it grinds slowly. I thought it would be a major drawback in comparison to other electric grinders. Would definitely love to try it out given the chance.
@@ropro9817 were talking real coffee grinders here, they can be thousands of dollars. There are sub $100 grinders but you're not likely going to find anything that can do espresso very well. I know some people think a $20 the spinny blade grinders are all they need but those are more choppers than grinders and give you very inconsistently ground coffee since you have very little control over how many times it gets chopped.
@@ropro9817 How much would a 'budget car' cost? Or a 'budget smartphone'?
At that price point, you should separate out the best grinder for espresso.
I was hoping he would say that at the end
For under $100.00, I had a Krupps burr grinder. I has a flat burr grinder all the settings you would need and with the hopper being down in the machine it is compact enough to take in and out of a cupboard after use. I used it constantly for 12 years before the motor finally gave up the ghost, but that machine was the longest lasting appliance I've ever owned.
I have the Encore and then bought the JX pro a few months after, the difference in grind quality is night and day! I think it's important to mention though that Baratza really stands behind their products, and encourages you to diagnose and repair them yourself which is a really great and eco friendly business practice. Another thing is that the X-pro is mainly geared for filter brewing where the JX-pro has the fine adjustment to do both filter and espresso. Great summary of everything, I wish this video was out when I was searching for my first grinder! Very helpful for beginners.
Which is night? And which is day? I have the jx pro and currently looking for an electric one because my hands are tired after making two lattes 😅 and im scared of getting bad taste from budget electric grinders
@@selj8287 That's a hard guess, as I thought my JXP was a step up from a blade grinder/hario but not by much so I hope the encore isn't worse lol. I upgraded to the KMax and wish I went with that instead as it was much cleaner (now I'd love to trade it in for the ZP6 I've been told it's another step up in clarity). I went to a P100 right after for an electric grinder but that was a titanic leap in price and cup clarity, I wish I could help with recommendations in between those price points. If I were still trying to stay on budget I probably would have tried grinders like the ode, zerno, barazta vario/forte etc.
@@LastAphelion are you talking about the lagom p100? Damn the price difference from the jxp is definitely titanic 😬 like i could drown in debt😂 the zp6 looks awesome! Those grinders were not available yet when i bought my jxp
@@selj8287 I should have asked first, is it more clarity that you're looking for? Cause now would be the time to buy the ZP6 as they are discontinuing them
@@LastAphelion not really. Im just looking for electric grinder that wont dull the flavors. As im writing that maybe im actually looking for clarity 😂 but not really more
I've had the breville for a few years now, paired with the flair neo. Honestly, I make a better cup than most coffee shops. Excited to when I have some money to upgrade, but for now, this setup has been amazing!
Well--finding a new video from Kyle is an unexpected pleasure this afternoon!
I love seeing the SD40 in this video. I just got that as I began entering into coffee a month ago, and it's been a real pleasure. I'm buying a flair 58 next month to go with it. Thank you for all of your advice and content as I get more into coffee!
So happy to hear it. Enjoy my friend!
Thank you Kyle!!
Been dying for a good video about the VS3. As a lagom mini (happy) owner I really want to see them side by side, but your note about the cup profile says it all.
I think they absolutely nailed it, though it's extremely similar to the mini but it's like they took notes from lagom's first year - the adjustment marks, nicer catch cup and bellows
My pleasure! Thanks for watching
Got the varia for 2 weeks and have been loving it so far!
Looking hard at the Varia VS3 and was waiting for exactly this review. Thanks Kyle, lots to consider!
Happy to help!
Awesome in-depth overview!
Really appreciate the thoroughness on the sort of "entry level" high quality grinder. Sure, you can buy cheaper if you have to, but I feel like this level is really where many enthusiasts will want to start (even if it requires some savings to do so).
After being absorbed in coffee grinder content the past month or so and watching way more videos than I'll ever need, this was some awesome and quality content!
I love that the Baratza Sette 30, for minimal cost, can have the 270 adjustment ring added, making it have the same grinding functionality, minus all the other stuff. Not bad for a tiny grinder :)!!!
Totally agree! If you notice that’s what happening on this sette 30
I also think that most people interested in both espresso and filter would rather have an "espresso-oriented" grinder because of the prices of espresso machines WRT filer setups, so that could be something to consider
@@KyleRowsell lol, nice! Truthfully, I was at work when you're video came out and I was only 2 minutes in and my boss came in. Lol. But I wanted to let others know that this is possible :-). I'm glad that you also had the 270 adjustment ring :-)!
After watching the rest of the video, I am impressed by how wonderful this whole review ended up being :-)! You definitely were objective and laid out situations that would be a little different for different types of people. Impacting which grinder to be recommended :-). Thank you for that :-)!
@@freezingsunbreaka ha love it. My pleasure! All the best
Great video. I still love watching your comparisons and reviews despite not being in the market for a new grinder at the moment. Currently with a niche and 1z k max
Thanks for watching!
Recently came across your videos as I am just getting into espresso at home and grabbed a bambino plus. Appreciate your videos as they are very informative!
What grinder? I paired it with the Niche Zero for the ease and cleanliness for pure simplicity and I've had virtually no learning curve. Trying to help a friend shop and he has a much smaller budget than I did
This was a great comparison video for the price point. Thank you for making it
Nice to see the Varia getting more traction. Mine arrived this week and it's been great so far. The build quality is absolutely top notch, and it fits in really well with my Gaggia.
Glad to hear it! And agreed, it’s a little tank.
Yeah just ordered it!
May I ask which Gaggia model you use?
@@sleepygummy7816 The newest Gaggia Classic Pro in matte black. US/NA model.
I've owned the Breville for a couple of years now and despite its flaws, having a machine that can actually do everything from French press to espresso on a budget is very handy. Definitely punches above its weight in my opinion.
Truth!
I own one as well (as well as a Breville Touch with a similar grinder built in) and I think it does a great job. One thing that may not have been mentioned is that you can also micro-adjust the burrs from 1-10, giving you a much finer control beyond the regular selection wheel. I even use it for Turkish coffee at level 1.
I have a J-Max and never wanting to buy another grinder because I love it so much 🤠 BUT I can never get enough of these grinder comparisons, so thanks for surprising us with this and putting in the hard work!
Have you had any other grinders in the past? How would you compare the j Max to others if you have tried
lol i feel you. they work so well!! i still kind of want an automatic one, too though. can't help myself. : )
how easy it would be to just pregrind up some filter coffee for a week or two.
That was a great breakdown. A lot of time went into that. Thank you so much. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was awesome, thank you Kyle!!! I ordered the VS3 a few days ago from 8oz, should be here next week! I actually got it for the occasional espresso to pair with my Ode-SSP for V60.
Enjoy! And my pleasure friend
I purchased my current grinder for convenience after getting tired of using a cheap, top selling hand grinder from amazon, but I have found that it retains up to 2 grams of coffee, even after spanking it, and then sheds grounds everywhere when I take out the grinds cannister, resulting in non-stop cleanup. I was originally looking at the Virtuoso to replace it, but after watching your reviews I have changed my mind. I am thinking of getting the JX Pro because it sounds like a perfect fit and it looks way more ergonomic than my prior hand grinder. I have to travel a lot for work, so its portability is an added bonus!! Thank you so much for these reviews, because I would never had heard about it otherwise. Cheers!
the 1zpresso hand grinders are fantastic and FEEL like quality. can't go wrong. get the magnetic catch cup tho. you won't regret that.
Note with the IZPRESSO JX burr size: I own both the Breville SGP and JX, and I can confirm their burrs are the exact same size. The JX burr is quoted from the outer burr whereas most grinders are quoted from inner burr diameter. While still large for a hand grinder, the delta between the two IZPRESSO grinders in this comparison isn't as big as the 48mm quoted size would lead you to believe.
I appreciate how thoughtful your video content is and how well organized the jump links are as well. You deserve the subscribe and I'd be happy to use your affiliate links bc you have clearly provided valuable insights. Thank you!
Great video! I'd love to see a comparison like this of grinders in the next price bracket up (DF64, Ode 2, etc) for those of us looking to upgrade from our first grinder.
I currently have a Virtuoso+ at home and a JX for travel, and would love to get some more clarity and sweetness out of my pour-overs.
Already in the works
Currently own the Baratza Encore with the upgraded virtuoso burrs. Recently purchased the 1zpresso JX for travel and essentially stopped using the encore because the JX was noticeably better. After watching this video I ordered the Varia Vs3 from eight ounce coffee, looking forward to testing it out once it arrives!
How are you finding it? Does the Varia beat the JX?
@doctormoobbc I would say the JX and VS3 are quite comparable, actually. In terms of taste, I would place them very closely, with the varia having a slight edge on coarser grounds. I mostly brew aeropress and pour over, and they both do a great job at either. I would say that surprisingly, the JX probably grinds quicker, but I find both plenty fast for my use. I have yet to dip my toes into the espresso world, but I would expect both to do a good job also. In terms of workflow, I'd have to hand it to the vs3 as it's easier to change the grind. The jx grind adjustment is inside the grounds compartment, which isn't a huge deal but an extra step. End of the day, it's really a matter of whether or not you want something portable or not, both are very well built and feel high quality.
I have the Sette and found what you found: better for espresso since even at coarse settings, the amount of fines muddies filter cups. Since I mainly drink filter, I recently picked up a refurbished (by Fellow) Ode and the Gen2 burrs for less than the Gen1 Ode. A significant boost in cup quality.
Glad to hear this resonates! All the best
Well done. I just released a video comparing the Encore to the SGP, but your breakdowns of those and others in the price range really shine a light on more options and what people should be considering. Thanks for putting this out there!
What a great informative video. Thanks.
Now we want a video of grinders under $500!
It’s coming. Slightly higher than 500 though!
@@KyleRowsell Which will actually give us more options. Thank you for your reply!
Love these videos buddy. Keep ‘em coming.
Always!
❤ the breadth of this comparison
Bought my X-pro based on yours and a few other reviews. I was looking for a good grinder for my aeropress. Hand grinding is a peaceful way to begin making coffee.
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching!
same same
Great review! Have been looking for review for Varia VS3 but not many out there. Thanks for the suggestion.
More videos on the vs3 soon
Thank you! It's a question I get asked a lot and never quite know what to answer. Now I do!
Glad it was helpful!
nice! I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the grinders. Even though you recommended many here Ive had my eyes set on a 1zpresso jx pro and ill probably pick one up as soon as its in stock xD
loving my Xpro , thanks for the recommendation
My pleasure!
Thanks for the awesome vid Kyle!
You’re welcome
Dark roast espresso is perfect from my Varia, don't mind the slow grind, can grind without waking the household in the mornings. As close to zero retention as you can wish for. RDT with the included spray bottle means very minimal retention . I use this with my Breville Barrista Pro.
Have you done any filter coffee with it? Also how do you like the lighter roast with it for espresso or filter?
Hey Kyle. Fantastic video as usual. Could you do a comparison between the Varia and Lagom Mini? Cheers!
Very possible
Been using the Ode Gen 2 for 6 weeks now. Darker (oilier beans).need help down the hopper. 25g + the motor occasionally stops when it shouldn't. Motor sounds and feels like it's underpowered but once finished, grind is consistent. Still trying to evaluate...🤔. Very informative video...nice. Thank you.👍
Kyle, thank you for including hand grinders in this review!!
My pleasure!
@@KyleRowsell I would love to support your new “September” initiative, but based on kickstarter, you have tremendous support already. I would be glad to purchase beans/gear as things develop for you. Best! I have the Niche for my espresso needs, and the ODE gen2 for pour over, i will probably get a hand grinder for travel/kicks & giggles
Baratza legacy Virtuoso is awesome. Just rebuilt my 12 year old and the grind consistency is phenomenal.
Cost $80 to rebuild. Burrs we’re in very good condition so no need to replace. If you find a broken one or resale shop legacy Baratza purchase it and do a rebuild
I’ve been waiting for a video on the Varia. I think it’s a goer for me. I only make one espresso a day and maybe occasionally make some for friends, it’ll be perfect for me for my morning v60 and arvo espresso! I think… thanks Kyle!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
@@KyleRowsell would you consider occasional espresso as one a day? I’d essentially be turning my C40 and breville SGP into the Varia
My Breville Smart Grinder Pro gave up finely grinding dense beans for espressos (dark roast beans are still good to grind), which it has been doing more or less once per day for the past six years or so. I toyed with the idea of going a little up-market (which in NZ meant coughing up around $700), but the pull of a known machine at $300 was too great. I am now the happy owner of almost two Smart Grinder Pros!
I suppose this is a good time to ask ... is it possible to get new, possibly better, burrs for the Smart Grinder Pro? I have no experience in this area of coffee.
@@SilverStack22 I don't believe there are other burrs for the SGP unfortunately :(
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I own 3 Smarts, and the 2nd two have the ability to slip, without eating a gear. I believe they changed the machine design about 4 years ago. All told, I've stripped 2 grinders, and will never buy another espresso machine w an integral grinder.
Picked up the Ode gen 2 for less than $250. Can’t wait to try. Upgrading from an Encore with M2 burrs. Also picked up a Q2 based on your recommendation for travel with an aeropress. Very impressed with that combo for what it is. Thanks for all the great content!
How do you like the ode vs encore?
@@Kwijiboi Love it! Upgraded to the SSP MP burrs. The gen 2 burrs are great but was chasing more clarity. Best grinder for the money unless you were able to get the Timemore Sculptor 078 for the kickstarter price.
I'm kind of ignorant on it. Would ode gen 1 with gen 2 burrs be as good, or does the 2nd gen machine offer other benefits as well?
@@Kwijiboi Ode gen 2 has the gen 2 burrs (duh), better tolerances, ion generator to reduce static and retention, and a larger/more sloped hopper for less feeding stalls and greater capacity for batch brew. A gen 1 ode with gen 2 burrs is 90% the same otherwise. Better UX, but that’s personal preference whether it’s worth it or not. The gen 2 burrs are more forgiving and give a more balanced cup vs the SSP MP, but less clarity
If I would search a grinder for both filter and espresso, I would also go for the varia vs3. It seems like the niche killerto me. If I was mainly drinking filter coffee, I would go for a hand grinder. I have to say I’m really happy with my Comandante MK4 though and using a dedicated espresso 64mm flat burr grinder (Ceado E5SD).
I don’t think it’s a niche killer! I don’t think it’s designed to be either. I think it’s a very good grinder though.
Thanks for the comparison Kyle. I've been using an Encore for four years and we're very pleased with the filter coffee it produces. When I needed a new ring burr they sent a new one no charge. I was in the market for an espresso capable flat Burr grinder. Eureka's Mignon line impressed me. Almost bought a Facile but it's a little steep at $400. Then I saw Lance comparing budget grinders. After much research I went for Urbanic's 070. At just oner $200 I got 60mm flat burrs. Surely not the best espresso grinder but I'm getting good results with my GCP. I've still got my eye on the Facile.
Very nice! I’d say hold put. There’s a very affordable grinder that’s in-announced and on route. And it’s espresso capable.
@@KyleRowsellI seem to be late to all of this. Were you talking about the timemore sculptor? Or is there something that’s still not out yet that I should wait for before buying anything?
I was using a SGP for pour over. Pros: 5+ years with mine with zero issues. I grind on the finer end of medium and got some great high notes. It was very customizable with the adjustable burr. The cons: It easily retained 1-2 grams. The grinds were inconsistent, especially if you go coarse. Lacked clarity.
After a few other conical grinders, I decided to go with a flat burr grinder for my pour over and was considering the Ode with upgraded burrs but chose against it. Customer service is unquestionably good but... between us, I just didn't trust them past the warranty. Too new of a grinder co for me. So I eventually went with a gently used Forte BG for less than the Ode+upgrades and haven't looked back.
Right on! The forte is a wonderful grinder!
I have the VS3. No stalling on light roasts and none reported when I researched which is encouraging. They market it as an espresso grinder, with the caveat of 30 mins grinding then 1 hour off. So sort of similar to the lagom mini. Only 1 year warranty which maybe indicates they don't trust the motor long term, time will tell. It's a joy to use though. 40s for 18g espresso dose, which is not too bad, you get used to it and build your workflow around it. I've also found tapping the top works as well as the bellows so I leave mine off most of the time. Makes great coffee, very similar profiles to my k-max.
Glad to hear it!!
Thanks for the breakdown, man.
My pleasure
How about a comparison of the Varia and the Lagom Mini in the near future. You know the Lagom Mini and it would be helpful to see how the two grinders are similar but more importantly how they differ. Thanks for putting out an informative and entertaining channel.
I have a gen 1 ode with stock burrs. No regrets but i will be upgrading to the Gen 2 ode. Would love a video comparing the burr options.
i wish you did a best espresso first grinder in the top picks
If we were talking about going from scratch it’d definitely be either the XPro or the Varia probably; happy with the DF64 right now as well with the SSP burrs and that’s made great cups so maybe I’d have given the Turin a spin?
Df64 with ssp is endgame. Enjoy.
Great video Kyle! Would love to see a comparison video of Lagom Mini vs Ode Gen 2 vs Ode Gen 2 SSP Burrs
I’ll consider it!
Great video mate! I recently bought the X-Pro and been using daily for both v60 and espresso. It’s a great grinder! Can you let me know which settings did you use for each brew type (v60 and espresso)? Thanks so much
Depends on the coffee! But I’m between 2-2.5 most often for a 20g v60
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Alert the people!
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The Urbanic (and other brands of that style) can be modded to produce far better results than just about anything in the range. Even running it through a dimmer control lowering it's RPM's makes a huge difference and reduction of the amount of fines. For the money, if you don't mind modding or using an external dimmer control, it's pretty amazing.
What dimmer control?
@@TomJones-tx7pb Meaning a dimmer switch like you would use for a light in your home. Lance Hendricks RUclips channel has a bunch of reviews of these types of grinders and he speaks about the mods that can be done to them. He may even have a few videos showing how to do them and if he doesn't there are others on RUclips who have videos detailing how. Essentially, the dimmer switch allows you to control how much electricity is provided to the grinder motor by turning the dial so instead of giving it the full amount of electrical current it provides a lower amount which I'm turn makes the motor spin at lower RPM's for a more controlled grind. Some of these types of grinders can be controlled using a control box the grinder simply plugs into which has a dial and does the same thing without having to do any modding/wiring of a dimmer switch into the grinder body. Again, Lance's talks about which types of these machines can use the exterior control box and which must be wired with a switch in his videos.
Modding is a great way to end up with a higher-end grinder for considerably less money. Particularly if you upgrade to high quality cast burrs. They'll add additional cost to the grinder but at least the costs will go directly into the quality burrs rather than the excessive profit margins made on complete high-end grinders.
I hope I was of help and I wish you luck.
Thanks for this great review of budget grinders. Question: I only have a Bialetti moka pot, and V60 brewing systems, at the moment, would that Varia VS3 be good for both, or would you recommend the Baratza Encore ESP instead? Where I live, I don't have all the choices that you have in North America.
Thank you. I didn’t see the KitchenAid grinder!
Bought the MHW-3Bomber equivalent of the Turin / Solo 38 at US$200 since I'm next to China, the X-Pro could be had for US$120 too but I've moved on from hand grinding. I had either choice so there was alot of value for money other than the fact that the Bomber isn't stepless and the usable espresso range is at 0-3 for me, might be that the Turin branded ones are tuned to have a better espresso range but nevertheless a fun little grinder to compliment my DF83.
Hey Kyle! Great videos and I really appreciate the service that you provide all of us.
However,I wanted to take a few minutes to help you understand that an electric motor’s “power” is not the important feature of an electric grinder. Ultimately it is Torque (T) that is key, which is also a function of RPM. The formula to calculate this is T = 5250 x HP / RPM, with the resulting units in lb-ft. So, for the 6 grinders in this video:
Urbanic 080 - 250W at an assumed 1700rpm = 1.03
Breville Smart Grinder Pro - 165W at 450rpm = 2.58
Baratza Encore - 120W at 550rpm = 1.54
Varia VS3 - 100W at 165rpm = 4.27
Baratza Sette 270 - 200W at 450rpm = 3.13
Turin SD40 - 180W at 750rpm = 1.69
Of course, the size of the burrs will impact how that torque is put to use, but based on the above results, the Varia is significantly better than the rest and your possible concerns about that low “power” is likely erroneous. Needless to say, I am quit eager to see how the Varia handles the lighter roasts at an espresso setting!
I hope this helps…
That’s all good in theory. But the varia takes nearly a minute to grind for espresso. Do that 3-5 times a day for the average user and you have significant more use than a niche or sette at 12-15 seconds to grind. There are more variables than you’re listing.
Also, I didn’t say it’s not a good espresso grinder. I’m just cautioning that we’re not confident in its long term reliability at this time. And the option o lagom mini had similar claims to the vs3 but after my review there were many claiming stalled motors and even others with burnt out motors.
So to your point… sure, in theory. But I don’t want it on my conscious to advise people to purchase this as an espresso daily driver.. yet.
@@KyleRowsell Thanks for the quick reply! Just to be clear, I am a motor and motor control expert, so it bothers me when people focus on "power". Not critical of you at all, I just saw an opportunity to educate you on the science behind motor selection. I suspect the Varia engineers had low RPM as one of their key attributes and optimized accordingly. I am definitely looking forward to your complete review on the Varia! 😁
If this assessment take one more step using the sift to assess grinding consistency on each grinder will be superb
I used to do that. I no longer do it as I feel it doesn't properly represent flavour or cup quality.
To me there's just something satisfying about hand grinding coffee, althoughI can certainly see the advantages of a mechanical grinder especially if you have to pull a lot of shots.
Dialing in new coffee is annoying as hell with a hand grinder
Note the Breville also has a further 10 graduations of settings per click by using burr adjuster
Facts, it allows for 600 total adjustments. It’a definitely capable of dialing in beans
Great review, would have like to see the Capresso Infinity in this review as I found it better than the similar looking Encore as it has the addition of a timer and can be adjusted to grind finer. Always prefer flats for drip / pour over vs conical burrs.
I own the Capresso. It makes some serious good filter coffee, noticeably better than the Encore (which I also owned but sold). The Capresso, however, struggles with espresso. I can smell a burning scent when grinding espresso fine and the resulting shots aren't amazing. I do love that grinder for filter though.
I hesitate to ask for another 1Zpresso video but I’m curious if you think the $50 difference between the X-Pro and the ZP6 is worth it for the increased cup quality I hear the ZP6 has over the X-Pro for pour over?
I know this means getting your hands on a ZP6 but this been my biggest curiosity recently.
I used Ezspresso k-pro hand grinder with a drill, I found it very fast and convenience.
We need that Varia review with the different burr sets
I want to test them all!
Great overview Kyle! I'm actually thinking to go for the v2 Fellow Ode for filter and hand grind away on my Timemore Chestnut X for espresso. Do you think it's worth it for most ppl to spring for the v2 Ode if they can afford it?
Yes. The v2 is much better for daily use
I’m in the market for an electric grinder, brewing predominantly espresso with the occasional filter. I have an 1Zpresso K Plus and have been looking at the VS3 but now I’m torn after this review. I brew predominantly medium roast with maybe 1 in 4 light roasts. Would you have any suggestions on the best choice, either in this price range or maybe even slightly higher?
I know many people (including myself) are wondering how the VS3 compares to the DF64 in terms of body and clarity for espresso.
Hey man I've been watching a ton of you lances videos on grinders and I do have a question, I'm starting to get into espresso/coffee at home and have breville smart grinder that I've been using and am really not happy with the consistency of the grinder, I've had a few okay shots but am really struggling with repeatability. The sd40 really really caught my eye I am definitely planning on returning the Breville and getting something else but wife appeal and size are both pretty important to me so something like the sette is gonna be a tough sell do you think it would be wise to jump into the sd40? The use is mostly going to be espresso probably 70% of the time and filter/press the rest of the time. I do enjoy occasional straight shots but me and my wife do mostly drink lattes/cappuccinos.
Thanks for the video, I assume these are for home use?
Great video. I just got the sd40 and have been having trouble dialing in. Good to know its not the grinder
Thanks for watching!
Hi Kyle! I'm new to your channel and really liking it! If you could get at a similar price the Fellow Ode Gen1 and the Comandante C40 MK4 Nitro Blade (just a tad more expensive) which one would you get? I have a friend in Europe right now that can catch the C40 for me, then I can save in imports and shipping making it the same price to the Ode at the end. I don't care if the C40 is manual, no electronics is a plus! And all I care is the final brewing result for pour overs and espresso alike. I would be "upgrading" from the integrated grinder in my Breville Barista Pro and I still don't have any grinder for pour over coffee, though I'm also considering the 1Zpresso K-Plus (a tad cheaper), but hey! I could get the C40!. Would it really be better than the Ode Gen1?
Currently using an Eureka Mignon Specialita for espresso and a Commandante for filter.
Thanks for this. It's from 6 months ago so you probably know now, but the people who support you through patreon are your patrons
dang, i was hoping for a better result from the Urbanic. I love it's look. Almost like a mini EK43
Sage smart grinder pro: For espresso I dial down to 7 for a Sage Duo Temp Pro. It is almost automatic as both can be mostly left unattended. Sometimes it does not stop and the timer countdown resets to the dialled in settings and does not stop. Sometimes the button or the portafilter button does not work. When this happens you have to unplug it. It might be fixable but happens so rarely, over the past 5 years, that I have not bothered to enquire.
Espresso has more sweetness than filter. The retention is too high but is easy to take of the hopper and brush the partially ground coffee down for the last gram between changing the beans.
I bought a hopper replacement and bellows from Etsy and my retention is almost zero.
Mine had the same problem with the start buttons not working and the timer changing by itself. Eventually it stopped working altogether. A shame as the hardware is all in great shape.
I thought the 1zespresso JX was more suitable to espresso. You preferred the x pro for filter in a comparison.of hand held. Did you compare each of these for espresso? Thanks
So which one of these is the best espresso centred grinder? Im currently using the SGP and am looking for a bit of an upgrade but cant afford the Niche. Should I rather just save more for the NIche?
I just preordered the VS3 and then watched this video. Getting nervous that I bought the wrong grinder for espresso. Would be good to see you do more testing as to the feasibility of using the vs3 daily for espresso.
I think he did months of testing.
Loving the VS3 for espresso, my 70yr taste buds enjoy the shots from my dark roast beans. I only drink espresso, no milk just black and no sugar, and find it does a great job. Suggest RDT with the enclosed spray bottle to be the way to go.
Being someone who has a fellow ode with the v1.1 burrs, I'm not too bothered by the range, as I usually have some leeway around my preferred grind setting. And in any case I have 4 handgrinders and a Fiorenzato f64 evo for variety
Glad to hear it!
No Eureka Mignons? I've gotta say, my Mignon Filtro (with espresso burrs) is unstoppable at roughly $200, or the Chrono for $250. Built like a tank, great even grind, flat burrs, great design, and easily upgraded to a single dose/zero retention/bellows hopper via Etsy. Always surprised when a company like Urbanic is represented and Eureka isn't (not to disparage Urbanic, I've just seen a lot of vids with their paint chipping or dubious burr alignment). Love the content! Thanks!
I own the Eureka Filtro also! I use it for both espresso and filter coffee and it's great. However I am thinking about upgrading tthe burrs to the espresso burrs and then maybe getting another grinder just for filter. Would be great to have @kyleRowsell opinion on this also. Think he might be doing a future video on the Eurekas.
@@duffyrides My filtro handles espresso and filter equally well. The only struggle is that I grind espresso between 1 and 2 on the nob, and for filter/pourover I do 2 full counterclockwise rotations and land on 3, so i always know which I'm dialed in for: If it's at 1.5ish, I'm set for espresso, if it says 3 I'd set up for filter. Less guess work. Happy brewing!
Nice video Kyle! :)
Thanks!
Informative video...I'm from Indonesia, I like making coffee at home and looking for a home grinder...and I decided to turn on Turin sd40. Her name in Indonesia is Latina C40...success bro..😁
Maybe it’s because I’m a newbie but finding an espresso-specific grinder to eliminate variables to pull a good shot seems impossible.
What would be the best espresso specific grinder on a budget? (Under $200 USD)
Did you find one
J-Max. I have one that I just connected to a motorized stand that provides the power. At 87 I guess I failed the strength test required to grind mainly for espresso
Hi Kyle,
What do you think the X Pro use for espresso? Is it still decent?
I’ve had the gears completely strip out in the Breville SGP 2x. They gave me store credit for a smart oven and I bought a Vario. Just my 2 cents!
Curious if you have tested the upgraded M2 burrs used in the Baratza Virtuoso? The Encore M3 burrs can be replaced with the M2 Burrs, making a small but noticeable difference.
Came across you, because my OXO Barista Brain met an unfortunate end at 8 years. (It got doused with water by accident).
We usually just drink drip at home. Usually two 12 cup pots, with the Technivorm Moccamaster (the OXO brewers kept dying on me). The Vario looks beautiful, but I couldn’t deal with that brick, in the coffee corner. I doubt I could talk my wife into hand grinding-she’s not a morning person 😅. I liked the Barista Brain for its scale, and ease of use. But it did have a couple issues.
I was going to try the Breville, they make some nice appliances. But after watch a few videos, including yours, I’ve decided against it. Could you suggest some drip (it’s okay if it’s solely drip) coffee grinders that would go well with our situation? I really liked just plugging in the amount, and it came out measured.
I’m subscribed, nice video
When it comes out I’d suggest the Encore ESP over the Encore even for filter brews. The M2 is legitimately a better burr than the M3 that comes in the regular Encore.
Oh that’ll happen. Along with a new grinder that’s unannounced that I’m excited to share soon…
This might explain why the Encores are on sale for once? I just bought the Encore. Will it be essentially the same with upgraded burrs? How long will the included burrs last before replacing? (Grinding about 80 grams per day)
@@droosh the ESP version also has more fine adjustment levels. It’s meant to be an OEM version of the “80 step mod” where you replace the selector pin with a double pin that gives you a half click.
The M2 and M3 have the same lifespan. I used to run the same amount through mine without any issue.
I added the Preciso adjustment ring and the only wear and tear were needing to replace the burr carriers fairly often as I was grinding for Espresso with very hard light roast beans.
Thanks Kyle. Out of these (or something else in the same price range) what’s your reco for an espresso-only/mainly option? Thx again
Sette 30 or sd40
LMAO Kyle reacting to the Varia's slow rpm got me dead 💀
Patience is not one of my best attributes
Hi Kyle. Now that the Encore is out with their ingenious but simple solution incorporating/ 20 espresso adjustments out of 40 total adjustments…QUESTION IS, does this make the ESP competitive and a best value in this new space for it?😊😊😊
What would you suggest for someone primarily doing cold brew and French press?
Kyle. How about sharing your girinder settings for pourover, espresso etc. - makes a good baseline for the rest of us in dialing in. AND HEY.. the SGP has an adjustable top burr - you forgot that. That changes the 60 steps to almost 600 when you include the 10 steps in that top burr.
What would be better for home use. A single dose grinder or a hopper style? And how long can the beans in the hopper stay fresh vs putting them in a vacuum canister?
Enjoyed the video. I am personally on the fence. I've been looking to replace my old Vario and have been leaning towards the Ode. I have been avoiding Conicals because I primarily brew light roasts for filter. Maybe I need to reconsider some of these.
Ode Gen 2 is unreal. Highly recommend
@@KyleRowsell is the new antistatic technology in the Ode 2 really worth it? I'm very happy with my 1Zpresso hand grinder (thanks to your videos) but sometimes an electric grinder would be nice to have.
I use a niche for my espresso maker and a virtuoso for daily French press or aeropress coffee. In the market for a good travel one though. Think I’ll pick up the X Pro when they are back in stock. If I ever want to upgrade my French press / aeropress grinder, which would be a good upgrade. Also, my espresso maker and niche are setup in my basement bar area so it’s not in my kitchen, I haven’t tried it, but I bet it makes a great aeropress grind…
I really like the Timemore Walnut for a hand grinder!
Eureka Mignon Manuella or smiliar grinders belong to Eureka could be a choice i use mignon zero and i am very pleased about it also sptk 38 also cheaper than 300 USD that you showed us