Awesome job! Thank you for comparing these two! Surprise motorkote held it's own. between steel shield, turbo maxx, and motorkote which do you think is the best ?
Thanks Jeff, it took 3 days to do it ... I noticed that the halogen additives like MK and ES give a better result with 5 minutes of no load break-in and starting the test at 50 ° c. TM on the other hand, is also good with less break-in time and lower temperatures. ES seems to give a better result on copper coin.
I noticed that MK tends to make the oil become foggy and to settle on the bottom, instead ES remains more transparent and does not settle. You can see it at the end of the video...
The contents aren't public so I'm not sure how Amsoil would know. Amsoil is a great product. I just wonder if they are afraid of losing market share. I use Motorkote because it saves me a few bucks over using strictly Amsoil
amsoil (a competator) is the only source for this. I have not seen a single independent analysis that shows this. The company claims it does not contain any chlorine.
The Motorkote seemed real dark when using the syringe. It must be old or oxidized. I've been using Motorkote for 8 years. It is always the color of light corn syrup. Never as dark as regular oil. Never heard of engine guard. Looks like good stuff though.
Hello, I am new to your channel and have enjoyed your experiments. One question is out of all of the lubricants and additives such as Molly, W2S and hBN, have you found the combination(s) which gave the best results on your Abrasion tester? Or with the least damage to your test material? Your experiments are very scientific but please consider some narration. I know many people don't speak english or whatever is your native language but I understand Apple now has a translator which will listen to many different languages and translate, in real time, to another language. Maybe, in a year or 3, youtube will allow me to listen to Italian, Russian, Chinese, French or whatever and hear it in one of the languages I speak. Thanks for your dedication to these test !! Glenn DSM Labs SC, USA
Halogenated hydrocarbons give an excellent result as you can see in this test, but you have to be careful about the formation of acids that can damage the bushings, not all these types of additives are the same ... Turbo maxx also gave me excellent results, it should contain nano h-BN, Ws2 and Graphene. For now the best result I had with Shell Advance Ultra 15w50 and 6% Engine Shield. I am developing a new procedure with 110°c oil, as soon as it is ready I will publish more videos with even more accurate results. Thanks for the advices!
I would avoid adding an oil that contains ESTER with an additive based on halogenated complexes such as MK, because any acidity produced by the additive would act as a catalyst for the hydrolysis of the ESTER.
@@edogsx Quick question. I am interested in running Motul 300V oil which is ester based. Based upon what you mentioned, would it be safer to run engine shield with Motul's 300V?
@@prospectla6316 Hello, I tried to put Engine Shield in Motul 300v, on Timken it gives excellent results but the manufacturer declares the incompatibility with Esters. Probably in long run, undesirable chemical reactions can occur. It must also be said that the motul 300v is not really "Ester Base" from the analyzes I have seen it contains at most 10/15% of Ester, the rest is GP3 and PAO base. As far as I have found the only manufacturer that uses very high percentages of Ester is Redline.
Why is the wear scar much smaller with Motorkote this time compared to the test when you did Motorkote vs TurboMaxx? You used the same oil as a carrier in both tests. Why is there a difference? 1.9mm vs 3mm scar.
Because In the first test, I did 1weight break-in for 3 minutes and the test starts with oil at room temperature. Instead in this test I do 5 min NO LOAD break-in and I heat the oil to 50 ° c. I noticed that halogenated additives like MK and ES give a much better result in this way.
and what are the ingredients in these additives? Sulphur? Then you could try a mixture between engine and transmission oil. You could even try automatic transmission oil. In principle, it is about an oil film that must not break off, even under high pressure. Automatic transmission oil would be predestined for this. Just watch out for hydraulic tappets. But it would be worth a try.
Aloha from greece ,engines are made out of aluminum not copper this test shows what it does to copper,i really think that all of oil additives do a great job and do what they say without no doubt lets not fool our selves,but im very curious to find out,how many kilometres does mk go for untill it washes off metal .i got a coach that does about 50000 klm a year how many times do i have to put mk in my engine for it to keep on working, it is a miracle oil but to expensive for multiple usage.i forgot to mention im using 10-40 luqi molly for diesel i appreciate the feedback
Wow that copper test is such a good way to determine corrosion ... is this applicable only for copper or would every, softer than copper metal also be harmed by these products that show this corrosion? Thank you!
hello, I didn't invent anything, the copper corrosion test in its certified form is called ASTM D-4048. Copper is used because this metal is very sensitive to acids and the change in color is very marked and more easily classified than other metals. The presence of copper in used oil is usually associated with the wear of the bushings.
Do you know the ASTM D130 test? You can find videos on RUclips ... It is a corrosion test for lubricants and fuels, it helps to understand if acidity is formed that can attack yellow metals "such as the engine bushings" by subjecting the product to temperature and pressure for long periods of time. Obviously mine It's an amateur test...
@@edogsx I think to improve you should do the test in a glass container, because the electrical contact of Cu to Al can cause ions to flow and cause an increased corrosion as it would normally be measured according to the ASTDM norm, and also the coin directly on the heated surface kind of "traps" pyrolysis products, so you would have to hang the copper in a test tube. But still you gave us a useful result with your version of the test.
I found these results strange, because in previous videos turbo max beats motorkote, but can't beat Engine shield.... And now i see that Motorkote is the same as turbomax. I must state that you used 6% for ES and 3% for TM in that video.
Yes, I understand you... In the first test I did 1weight break-in for 3 minutes and the test starts with oil at room temperature. Instead in this test I do 5 min NO LOAD break-in and I heat the oil to 50 ° c. I noticed that halogenated additives like MK and ES give a much better result in this way ... Turbo Maxx works very well even without this procedure.
@@edogsx Would really want to know how TM does with this new procedure. I bought turbomax because i saw that it beat bestline, but now i'm thinking if i should have went with something else.
@Alex Z I give you my opinion ... TM is an excellent additive, especially if you use it in your every day car, it also increases the TBN and therefore you can do normal or even prolonged drainage intervals. Halogen additives, on the other hand, are very effective in increasing performance, but often some of them can reduce the life of the engine oil, therefore it becomes necessary to change the oil more often. The copper test is useful to understand if the oil or the additive produces acidity in situations of strong heat for a long period of time. However I will try to satisfy you by performing the same procedure with TM.
Apparently this RUclips poster doesn’t like facts getting in the way of his videos out come, the comments by J A are refuted as to what’s the better lubricant. Is this how your “truth” gets out by blocking facts??
Bueno este test amigo por que mejor haces 1 test similar a este comparando estos dos productos antifriccion pero utilizando un aceite estándar mineral así creo se verá mejor los beneficios de cada producto divide 3 partes 1 con el aceite solo a ver que corrosión tiene metal y los otros 2 pruebas cada una con el producto ahí creo vera mejor las propiedades cada producto y si realmente mejora con estos antifriccion saludos gracias por tu apoyo
In this test the pressure is 72 kg point to point brass on steel. The lubricating film resistance determines the scar size, the load divided the scar area is the measure of the film resistance.
The correct answer is, when covered by a film of liquid sufficient to reduce the coefficient of static friction between the metal to metal to essentially zero, but not so deep as to introduce a new source of friction.
To really have 8 lbs of weight on this you have to put weight directly on the bearing because the bar is in two pieces, so the weight is pressing down on the bar not the bearing.
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Both coins were placed with heads up ....i wonder how did the motorkote coin ends up with heads down after heating test ???
Im experimenting with hexagonal boron nitride - i got the .07 micron powder and made a paste - diluted it with 5w30 ! so far amazing results
Love the testing. Awesome content...
Very methodical testing and well documented. Thank you
but didn't have a control of plain oil on all tests
@@darkarvindrakkar9898 True but not many are engineers
Awesome job! Thank you for comparing these two! Surprise motorkote held it's own. between steel shield, turbo maxx, and motorkote which do you think is the best ?
Thanks Jeff, it took 3 days to do it ...
I noticed that the halogen additives like MK and ES give a better result with 5 minutes of no load break-in and starting the test at 50 ° c.
TM on the other hand, is also good with less break-in time and lower temperatures.
ES seems to give a better result on copper coin.
I noticed that MK tends to make the oil become foggy and to settle on the bottom, instead ES remains more transparent and does not settle.
You can see it at the end of the video...
Can't go wrong with any of those it seems vs un treated oil
Does it use chlorine as amzoil states. I was going to use M.K but now Im not due to this claim
The contents aren't public so I'm not sure how Amsoil would know. Amsoil is a great product. I just wonder if they are afraid of losing market share. I use Motorkote because it saves me a few bucks over using strictly Amsoil
@@dwightvoeks9970 It dont have to be public. They can do an oil analysis.
amsoil (a competator) is the only source for this. I have not seen a single independent analysis that shows this. The company claims it does not contain any chlorine.
@@dan16802
I have emailed them a couple times and asked them on their RUclips channel with no response.
Probably a dumb question but what’s wrong with chlorine?
im so happy I found your channel!
How about Bestline!
The Motorkote seemed real dark when using the syringe. It must be old or oxidized. I've been using Motorkote for 8 years. It is always the color of light corn syrup. Never as dark as regular oil. Never heard of engine guard. Looks like good stuff though.
Hello,
I am new to your channel and have enjoyed your experiments. One question is out of all of the lubricants and additives such as Molly, W2S and hBN, have you found the combination(s) which gave the best results on your Abrasion tester? Or with the least damage to your test material?
Your experiments are very scientific but please consider some narration. I know many people don't speak english or whatever is your native language but I understand Apple now has a translator which will listen to many different languages and translate, in real time, to another language. Maybe, in a year or 3, youtube will allow me to listen to Italian, Russian, Chinese, French or whatever and hear it in one of the languages I speak. Thanks for your dedication to these test !!
Glenn
DSM Labs
SC, USA
Halogenated hydrocarbons give an excellent result as you can see in this test, but you have to be careful about the formation of acids that can damage the bushings, not all these types of additives are the same ...
Turbo maxx also gave me excellent results, it should contain nano h-BN, Ws2 and Graphene.
For now the best result I had with Shell Advance Ultra 15w50 and 6% Engine Shield.
I am developing a new procedure with 110°c oil, as soon as it is ready I will publish more videos with even more accurate results.
Thanks for the advices!
How many miles of driving would the 5 minutes simulate?
Amsoil Signature Series 10w30 and Motorkote is an amazing combination
I would avoid adding an oil that contains ESTER with an additive based on halogenated complexes such as MK, because any acidity produced by the additive would act as a catalyst for the hydrolysis of the ESTER.
@@edogsx Amsoil started out as esters, but are mostly PAO's...How would that react.?
@@mikeschlup5279 PAO is strongly apolar, it will not cause reactions, it will simply tend to separate.
@@edogsx Quick question. I am interested in running Motul 300V oil which is ester based. Based upon what you mentioned, would it be safer to run engine shield with Motul's 300V?
@@prospectla6316 Hello,
I tried to put Engine Shield in Motul 300v, on Timken it gives excellent results but the manufacturer declares the incompatibility with Esters.
Probably in long run, undesirable chemical reactions can occur.
It must also be said that the motul 300v is not really "Ester Base" from the analyzes I have seen it contains at most 10/15% of Ester, the rest is GP3 and PAO base.
As far as I have found the only manufacturer that uses very high percentages of Ester is Redline.
Could you try Lubegard Bio/Tech Engine Oil Protectant and Schaeffer's Moly EP Oil Treatment?
Why is the wear scar much smaller with Motorkote this time compared to the test when you did Motorkote vs TurboMaxx? You used the same oil as a carrier in both tests. Why is there a difference? 1.9mm vs 3mm scar.
Because In the first test, I did 1weight break-in for 3 minutes and the test starts with oil at room temperature.
Instead in this test I do 5 min NO LOAD break-in and I heat the oil to 50 ° c.
I noticed that halogenated additives like MK and ES give a much better result in this way.
So lets say...in a motorcycle 4cylinder engine will it harm it?
The only thing I can think of would be the wet clutches might not agree with it. But according to motor coat I believe you can run it in a motorcycle.
@@threewheelerdonuts8284 had it in the bike ..all works just fine. Thanks
Does the motorkote require heat to bond to metal?
both of them.
and what are the ingredients in these additives? Sulphur? Then you could try a mixture between engine and transmission oil. You could even try automatic transmission oil. In principle, it is about an oil film that must not break off, even under high pressure. Automatic transmission oil would be predestined for this. Just watch out for hydraulic tappets. But it would be worth a try.
Aloha from greece ,engines are made out of aluminum not copper this test shows what it does to copper,i really think that all of oil additives do a great job and do what they say without no doubt lets not fool our selves,but im very curious to find out,how many kilometres does mk go for untill it washes off metal .i got a coach that does about 50000 klm a year how many times do i have to put mk in my engine for it to keep on working, it is a miracle oil but to expensive for multiple usage.i forgot to mention im using 10-40 luqi molly for diesel i appreciate the feedback
Hi you only put it in evry oil change and small amount depends how much oil it takes 150ml per 5litre of oil
Yasou Patrioti
Chlorinated paraffin is not a miracle oil. Motorkote is just more snake oil.
Wow that copper test is such a good way to determine corrosion ... is this applicable only for copper or would every, softer than copper metal also be harmed by these products that show this corrosion? Thank you!
hello, I didn't invent anything, the copper corrosion test in its certified form is called ASTM D-4048.
Copper is used because this metal is very sensitive to acids and the change in color is very marked and more easily classified than other metals. The presence of copper in used oil is usually associated with the wear of the bushings.
Parabéns pelo seu canal nos do Brasil agradecemos pelo seu trabalho!!!!
So these two are the best ever tested?
What is copper in a car engine?
Bearings
Very interesting, unfortunately both seem to be not avialable in europe. Did you import it directly out of the US?
Thanks for your awesome tests btw.
Yes exactly.
Who won? Engine shield seems like it won since it did not break down to dark or oxidize as bad as mK
Do a xtreme friction fighter video comparison please
Glad is added motorkote to my engine oil (total quartz 7000) 10w40
Test SMT2?
Thanks for the hard work. Where do you buy Engine Shield? I couldn't find it anywhere..
where are you from?
@@edogsx USA.
@@alawabidingcitizen www.steelshieldtech.com/shop/retail-products/engine-shield/
Engine Shield is made in the USA, you can buy it on their website.
Too bad it looks like the web site is down
Ciao dove po' hai trovato questo additivo engine shield? Grazie
Direttamente dagli USA
çok başarılı bir test. teşekkürler bro
Great video. Subbed.
Pleas test "WOLF RACING 4T 5W-50 ESTER"
Why your test with Cooper coins?IT IS nôt food using this aditives in engine??
Do you know the ASTM D130 test?
You can find videos on RUclips ...
It is a corrosion test for lubricants and fuels, it helps to understand if acidity is formed that can attack yellow metals "such as the engine bushings" by subjecting the product to temperature and pressure for long periods of time.
Obviously mine It's an amateur test...
@@edogsx I think to improve you should do the test in a glass container, because the electrical contact of Cu to Al can cause ions to flow and cause an increased corrosion as it would normally be measured according to the ASTDM norm, and also the coin directly on the heated surface kind of "traps" pyrolysis products, so you would have to hang the copper in a test tube. But still you gave us a useful result with your version of the test.
I found these results strange, because in previous videos turbo max beats motorkote, but can't beat Engine shield.... And now i see that Motorkote is the same as turbomax. I must state that you used 6% for ES and 3% for TM in that video.
Yes, I understand you...
In the first test I did 1weight break-in for 3 minutes and the test starts with oil at room temperature.
Instead in this test I do 5 min NO LOAD break-in and I heat the oil to 50 ° c.
I noticed that halogenated additives like MK and ES give a much better result in this way ...
Turbo Maxx works very well even without this procedure.
@@edogsx Would really want to know how TM does with this new procedure. I bought turbomax because i saw that it beat bestline, but now i'm thinking if i should have went with something else.
@Alex Z I give you my opinion ...
TM is an excellent additive, especially if you use it in your every day car, it also increases the TBN and therefore you can do normal or even prolonged drainage intervals.
Halogen additives, on the other hand, are very effective in increasing performance, but often some of them can reduce the life of the engine oil, therefore it becomes necessary to change the oil more often.
The copper test is useful to understand if the oil or the additive produces acidity in situations of strong heat for a long period of time.
However I will try to satisfy you by performing the same procedure with TM.
@@edogsx Ty . Verry good answer. It is ok, you dont have to repeat the test if you have other plans for the channel
@@nagyhanna3758 its the best on Timken.
Instead of a penny use a cam bearing and rod bearing.
Apparently this RUclips poster doesn’t like facts getting in the way of his videos out come, the comments by J A are refuted as to what’s the better lubricant. Is this how your “truth” gets out by blocking facts??
They are both essentially the same product. Buy whichever is cheaper.
Please test ROWE oil - Germany. I'm following you. Tks
Please test Prolong.
be patient...
Watch project farm to see how a test is run.
I fell asleep 4 times. What happened
Bueno este test amigo por que mejor haces 1 test similar a este comparando estos dos productos antifriccion pero utilizando un aceite estándar mineral así creo se verá mejor los beneficios de cada producto divide 3 partes 1 con el aceite solo a ver que corrosión tiene metal y los otros 2 pruebas cada una con el producto ahí creo vera mejor las propiedades cada producto y si realmente mejora con estos antifriccion saludos gracias por tu apoyo
Another one??? Let's see...Engine Shield, DT550, Slick 50, Duralube, Prolong, Petron Plus, Archoil, Bestline, Atomoil, TriboTex, TurboMAx, HotShots, LiquiMoly, Seafoam, STP Ceramic, XADO, ZDDP, RISLONE, Motorkote...KITCHEN SINK!!!!!
I use motorkote but if a film of oil isnt protecting the metal parts its time for a rebuild - show me something that leaves no wear scar !
In this test the pressure is 72 kg point to point brass on steel.
The lubricating film resistance determines the scar size, the load divided the scar area is the measure of the film resistance.
The correct answer is, when covered by a film of liquid sufficient to reduce the coefficient of static friction between the metal to metal to essentially zero, but not so deep as to introduce a new source of friction.
Only motorkote .
flawed testing with camera cut aways
MotorKote has chlorinated paraffin in it. Not worth it.
Then i wonder why no problems have been reported with it? I’ve seen no independent testing to show that it has chlorine in it.
Who uses 15-50 weight motor oil? Only trucks in the south and drag racers.
Many motorcycles including Ducati and KTM ...
I use Motul 15/50 in my Harley.
To really have 8 lbs of weight on this you have to put weight directly on the bearing because the bar is in two pieces, so the weight is pressing down on the bar not the bearing.
leverage multiplies weight by 18 times ...
8 x 500gr = 4kg x 18 = 72kg