Destiny 2 Lore - The collapse of the factions & why it means trouble for the Last City!
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Destiny 2's lore tells us about the collapse of the faction and how the Last City's political landscape is about to change forever. The power vacuum that's been created must be fixed or filled. But how?
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I get the feeling that, with our recent improvements in diplomatic relations with the Cabal and Fallen, combined with this sudden upheaval of the internal governance of Humanity, I could see a major shift wherein we end up forming a true alliance with the enemy races, with a large overarching government made up of representatives from all three groups to act as a united front against the Darkness.
Sounds alot like the Citadel Council from Mass Effect. Hopefully, this one won't be as useless.
I doubt it. House Light has a good claim to be part of civilian governance, but the rest of the Eliksni and certainly the Cabal have no business being involved in the City's affairs.
The only 2 factions that we can't make a deal with are the Vex and Hive. Hive, because they have a worm inside them and will kill them if they do not follow the sword logic. Vex, they want to be on top and don't understand us or can comprehend us.
Oh that would be so cool!! While I think it would take a lot of work, but it'd be pretty cool to see a Valus, a Baron, and Commander Zavala all gathered around a War Table talking politics or something.
Like the covenant from halo!
I remember Saint saying he wanted to make a new council where people can be heard. Maybe he can helm that as part of his project to foster good will between Humans and Eliksni.
With crow bridging the cultural aspect
I thought that would've been for the Crow.
I could see Saint and Crow representing the Elksni, Hawthorne being the representative of humanity between Guardians, Zavala managing military tactics with Caital, and possibly Petra collaborating with the Vanguard as repetitive of the Queen and the Awoken. I would say Crow could focus on collaborating with the awoken in terms of an alliance, but his past probably left his relationship with the Awoken on bad terms.
@@garrettviewegh677 That would be terribly complicated. There's definitely a lot mixed feelings with Petra, basically having to deal with an all new Uldren, revived as a Guardian, which may make the proceedings to join hands with the Awoken a little... thorny.
And then there's the eventual return of Mara Sov... I don't think even for a second that she isn't aware of her brother's revival and what he became.
HOOOOOOO, BOY. It's gonna be awkward as all hell.
@@chaosgreyblood that’s what I meant by would. As in Crow WOULD be chosen to collaborate with the Awoken, but on account of his complicated past. Most likely, the Vanguard would choose someone else. But yeah, I imagine it will be very awkward and tense when Crow and Mara meet.
Gotta love when Bungie comes back with the deep cuts. Pardon me whilst I find that old sparrow from D1 and take a trip around Bannerfall.
Lysander’s Cry iirc
Yep. Years worth of lore and memories that they just throw away. Won’t be long before Osiris gets thrown in the trash bin too.
@@hydrosting you misunderstand me. I like when Bungie takes a small snippet of old lore and builds upon it. It goes to show the opposite of what you’re thinking - no lore goes unused, it just waits for its turn.
Honestly that’s destiny to a tee. Drop it pick it back up later. Maybe if the game was never chopped up we would have had more but you know
This cut is gonna scar the game for the remainder of its lifetime if the factions remain gone
Shoutout to that one goblin that shot Lakshmi.
He who shall forever be known as "Vexbro"
Or maybe it was osiris
@@Banana-Boi you mean "Osiris"
@@jazzy_waifu5601 that what he said
@@cubs1345 Pretty sure the emphasis was on the quotes. Cause it’s not necessarily Osiris anymore. It’s “Osiris.”
I hope this explanation helped make the joke funnier.
Players can’t complain abt factions being underused if there are no factions
facts
Players: what about factions, will it ever return?
Bungie: we can’t figure out a system soo lets remove it for good by getting rid of the factions in a small dialogue
Players: 😑
@@yarnelauwers8270 pretty much it just feels like they made a convoluted plot to tell us to shut up
Only idiots wanted factions back, yeah grinding bounties is so fun even though you all compare about it. Double standards defines the destiny community
@@tromar5758 Watch Out the Bungie Defense Force is here
I was expecting Dead Orbit to play a big part in Lightfall considering that we may be evacuating the city in that expansion. So when Ikora told us that they had already left I went ahead and threw that idea in the garbage.
Maybe they'll come back, it can still work that they all went to wherever efrideet is and when shit goes down they can come back to save as many as they can
What is dead orbit?
@@ispgravy4233 a faction made up of people who expect the worst to come (Earth compromised, uninhabitable and Solar System lost to enemies) and has been preparing for a mass exodus (essentially leaving the solar system in search for new planets to terraform/occupy) since they became a faction.
Dead Orbit left when the Last City became compromised to the Vex (nothing guarantees the Vex cant reopen a gate there)
@@DakkaSolae ok, thanks
If they do I want their ships to show back up to help in a fleet battle, and finally get to fly my ship. Wishful thinking I know but I can dream
I was just thinking about this when you mentioned it vaguely, but very interesting that all of Lysander's opposition is gone now. Zavala and Ikora are already overworked with just Vanguard duties. Targe, Zavala's ghost, even remarked in one of the lore books that the two of them can't keep doing the work of three people. Now they are essentially the only leaders left in the entire city with the factions gone.
I think we need to hold emergency elections to offload some of the burden from Zavala and Ikora and get somebody/anybody in that hunter vanguard seat, whether it is Crow, Shiro-4, Marcus Ren, or whoever else even if it is on a temporary basis. Right now, Crow seems to be the logical choice given Cayde's dare, but given that he used to be Uldren Sov, I am afraid of any backlash that other hunters may have being sent on dangerous missions by him, even though he is a different person now.
Different person but also kinda the same person. Anna bray took a while to know her past but is still Ana Bray. Uldren was brainwashed and tricked into doing what he did, but I still say we enact the vanguard dare
Would back Shiro without hesitation, I see why people keep thinking it'll be Crow but the guy is essentially 3(?) years old and there are much more experienced hunters that would be better for the role imo.
@@JKeemTV yeah, I didn't even think about him not having much XP since his first revive, he was essentially just a child being controlled by spider for a long time
I could see different people and Guardians being liaisons between alliance/faction representatives. The way the narrative is going, I think Crow will fulfill the Hunter Vanguard role as well as becoming a peacemaker between the different race the City will have to ally with. He seems empathetic with the right mind to solve social and culture disputes. As for the “Dark Vanguard” as some call them, they would probably be more focused on the threat of the Darkness on the horizon. At least the way the narrative is going.
@@JKeemTV Sure, I agree that there are more experienced hunters, but what hunter would want to be tied to the Tower for extended periods of time? We saw how Cayde was itching to get back into the action and hated being tied down to the Tower and issuing orders. Experience does not always imply good leadership skills.
I suggested Crow because he is agreeable to most positions that the Vanguard assigns to him and actually wants to help out wherever he can, although I believe right now he is out on a recon mission with Mithrax's old fireteam. Just having someone in that Hunter Vanguard seat, even in a figurehead role, would relieve some of the tension that regular guardians feel right now.
Out of all the hunters that we know of and are currently still around, Ana Bray is probably the most experienced and powerful, but she is so busy with fixing Rasputin's core that she probably doesn't want to have anything to do with Vanguard duties, given that it is implied that Zavala has asked her several times to take the position.
I believe this creates an opportunity for more factions with new ideas to step into the spotlight. Hell, House light may even have a chance of making it onto the consensus.
Seeing as how they are now our people, than House Light should reasonably be in the Consensus.
I would actually love new factions or even the old ones back I just want a Factions system
Mithrax technically serves this role already with how he communicates to Ikora and Saint. Given how he and his Elkisni people speak of the Traveler, it also helps with no Speaker currently.
They're going to take a different format than "Factions". Bungie has had that word haunt them for long enough.
Chances are that Mithrax will become part of a governing body in the Last City considering he is the Kell of House Light. The Eliksni in the City are now technically citizens and need some form of representation in what ever new council is established.
The Concordat: _"Y'all have a power vacuum? _*_THAT SH*T IS MINE!_*_ "_
Lysander's Cry anyone?
Green and blue forever!
Me when I remember the concordat
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@@hyemode_3078 I thought our colors were green and black
Russian badger reference?
Not that the other factions were...good, but, Future War Cult were a bit more unstable than the other two.
I've been a FWC guy for a very long time and I agree man.
We knew war was coming before anyone else did. Little did we know the major implications of those visions.
It was mostly Lakshmi, a lot of FWC told ikora she was unstable, and didn't agree/F-ed off before there could be a true purge by Lakshmi. Then with the name sullied they scattered because you can't really back a party who's leader did something so bad it permanently tainted the name, not the original purpose and idea. I'm sure we will still hear about people talking g about the big war to come, and the need to be ready for it. That was the original purpose and idea behing the FWC.
@@94ncd I, for one, intend to uphold the ideals of readiness for Future War.
@@arsenalxa4421 Amen. That's the FWC that I stand by.
Pshh this is no problem, just replace the factions with just TSLAYP. Everyone will be fine… I think.
YEET Faction, Majestic Eagle Faction, Feeding Faction, Betrayal Faction, UNO Reverse Faction. Let’s gooo! #chromarforspeaker XD
Y E E T S, YEETS FOR EVERYONE
I stand by YEET
And add a betray kill count
As a member of the soon to be Censored faction supporters, I vote for this movement.
FWC and New Monarchy attempts coup.
Vanguard: We disbarred and kick out all the factions.
Dead Orbit: Wtf, we just learned of the plan like 5 minutes ago; we weren't even apart of the meeting.
In fairness, the factions ran away themselves. And honestly, dead orbit was kinda planning on leaving tomorrow for the past 7 years. So this was more a moment of opportunity than getting expressly told to feck off.
Arach Jalaal: Oh shit FWC and New Monarvhy are getting outta here. That means we’ll be the only faction left.
...
...
Nah. Fuck all the paper work that’d come with that. We out.
I think its more of ikora meaning thst the big 3 factions part of the governing are nio more as they attempted a coup and fucked off when things went south to avoid the punishment. Im sure we will get a new civilian goverment.
You know on the subject of Dead Orbit don't they own and control a large part of the city's fleet
@@turtelpond8531 only the transport fleet I think. So yeah that’s a lot of logistical support just gone.
I was surprised Dead Orbit left as well. Would have thought they would have stuck around given, without New Monarchy and the War Cult, they would have ALOT of political power only matched by the Vanguard. Imagine the funding and resources they could get to build up their fleet without the need to share with two other groups bidding for power.
I honestly expected that going forward, the Vanguard and Dead orbit were going to start to plan together for an emergency evacuation plan from the system as the Vanguard plans for an eventual final confrontation with the darkness/Savathune etc...
Well, with the way Lakshmi-2 opened the doors for the Vex and the ensuing chaos that could have exploded into a total catastrophe, I don't think Dead Orbit was gonna take their chances in staying on Earth. Fact is, this just cinched their decision for their planned exodus.
Dead Orbit is in it for survival, not to achieve absolute power.
Dead Orbit’s plan was to always bounce, so I guess they took their supporters and finally split.
Plus with Arach knowing of Lakshmi's (and Hideo's) intentions of essentially overthrowing the Vanguard, I'm sure he and his DO proponents fled to escape persecution.
That's their issue if 2 factions can't be trusted none of them can....
@@JACorvin lol only took them how long to actually leave?
i've kinda mixed feelings on the factions just leaving. On one hand, they're an interesting and underutilized part of the lore that's been around since the very first day of Destiny and seeing them just... go, (especially new monarchy, whose whole philosophy is based around staying in the city) is really odd. On the other hand, i understand that since they're so underutilized and the story is heading in a direction where they just aren't gonna be used all that much, removing them from the playing field is fair enough. And, to be honest, they aren't dead. Like, lakshmai, sure. Hideo and the Aarachs and the remnants of FWC? they're just on the backburner for now. Like, if Elsie can come back, anyone can
I'll miss them a little. they were basically our only interaction with the last city. I kind of wish there more of that kind of thing
You saing it like if Bungie cares about the lore. They just removed them because they dont wat to do any staff with them.
Because if you reading lore it is understandable why Lakshme did this and how she felt, but if you just play game she looks like a crazy person.
@@KanykaAiM that's just.... not true? The radio messages each week say otherwise
@@Lynch2507 I don't say she didn't did a horrible thing but when you now that something bad going to happen and you meet fallen Kell who is reponsible for burning London and killing it people, and you have saw it all with your very eyes, you could se the reasoning.
And you know Osiris didn't help either.
@@KanykaAiM I found it to be the opposite of what you said to be honest. Hearing Lakshmi on the radio spout her anti-Eliksni rhetoric every week to take advantage of the endless night to gain more power made her seem sane and a realistic politician, while being able to empathise but not sympathise with Lakshmi's reason. However reading the more recent lore on her made her seem extremely unhinged and insane because she saw one possible future where she ruled the last city and now she thinks she can do anything like for example mess around with Vex portal technology without repercussion.
Wonder if this has something to do with a previous seasons lore about a ghost tumbling through space in the future and a human fleet comes out of hyperspace then jumps back in leaving disabled ships behind?
@Rough Collies Rock I always thought that when that ghost fragment came to pass, it would be the ship the helm is in that we leave on, with dead orbit being the ones maintaining it... but with dead orbit gone, I don't see it making sense for anyone else to operate it. I don't see dead orbit and new monarchy abandoning people as they make jump after jump without being expressly hunted- just plan and settle down somewhere somewhere where you can refuel and restock
Ikora: "The Factions are no more."
Me: "And nothing of value was lost."
Faction shaders were lost...
@@Tattletale97 fuck em
It's very interesting that the last city a place that we don't have the option to even explore has so much lore behind it. There's a Civilian Government and a Guardian Government from what it looks like Bungie is treating Guardians and the Civilians as different species. With the Human Factions gone and only Two leaders left. I think That a Certain character who has only ONLY BEEN SHOWN IN THE RED WAR AND HAS NEVER RETURNED is Suraya Hawthorne. When was the last time you saw Hawthorne in a Cutscene? I think if the factions don't return I would love to see Hawthorn step up as a Human Side Government. Hawthorne has a good relationship with the vanguard and she is a human and the game states Hawthrown is the liaison between Humans and Guardians. Hawthorn would be perfect as a Civilian governor or leader.
I think she might start a next coup
that actually sounds like a decent idea.
Meh... Hawthorn really isn’t the political type. Besides she’s spent most of her life outside the walls of the city. It would not be good optics to have an outsider dictate policy to people who’ve live in the city for years.
Best option I can think of is Saint, but again he’s not much of a politician. He’d be a good face. However he would need someone behind the scene pulling the strings. I’d say Osiris, but... well... you know.
Not a leader per-se, but a liason for sure. I hope this frees up a chance for her to be relevant again, that's for sure.
Yeeees this, all of this 👏
After the talk from ikora i went on to explain my concern to a friend who doesnt know much about the lore.
Happy to see a focus out on it here, too
And in that story, i said "the civilians lost their representation". I went on to tell him that there is the consensus, formed by speaker, vanguard and factions and that i even though i dont believe it will be heavily implemented, the results of the events interest me.
He was amazed to hear all this and so i went on "cant blame you, bungie doesnt exactly integrate politics that much. Last time they did we go a green sparrow after crawling into corners that told us about an outcast faction. And nothing came of it since then"
I only typed this extended story because, funnily enough, this sparrow is referenced at the end. Its amazing that i know all this, but nothing about that copyright law exam im supposed to take in 10hours or so
Good luck mate :)
Thank you for sharing this funny story of yours and good luck with your law exam later. The light provides.
Lol, I feel that bud. Sometimes I wished I had exams on lore, in my undergrad years. Good luck on the exam!
Good luck man
Thank you for making these videos! It really helps to better understand and know the real effect of what is going on within the lore. Love your videos! Just a huge fan of destiny and you! Very thankful for you and your channel!
Factsss
When I played the final override it made me so happy when Mithrax said” save your people.” Then saint replied “YOU ARE MY PEOPLE!” 😊😊😊
Yo for real, I felt that. He seemed to understand that they ( Eliksni) suffered their trials and tribulations as did the people of earth. Sadly people of earth suffered during the collapse and when the fallen/eliksni began their funny business on earth.
But if you think about it they were just trying to survive just like people on earth were all it took was an opportunistic leader to rally them to his/her cause by promising a hopeful future ( no matter how true the promise was)
It also showed that the scourge of the fallen (
Saint-14 ) who seemed to hate the fallen could come to understand them and see them as allies and ultimately as his own people.
Pretty amazing demonstration of growth of character especially someone who they said showed no mercy to Eliksni of all age developments
Lakshmi-3: the fallen are not people.
Now Lakshmi has fallen and she won’t get up
@@cyberpaisa27 she better not or I’ll put her down again! *pumps shotgun with malicious intent*
Only thing that could have made that whole thing better would have been having us step through to aid the last push
maybe with the loss of the old factions, we could see more emerge. Like the ones that were cut from destiny 1 and we can have missions trying build them up.
Btw any dead orbit fans out there, where are my dead orbit homies
Dead orbit boy here, still got my basilisk cloak
Dead orbit 4 live
used to be. now i...well its more like now i cant really be a fan if they arent around lmao but i used to rock their armor set all the time up until y2 (i mean i think im literally wearing it in my pfp)
edit: no, just the mask and the cloak
@@DIGITALGH05T I'm a warlock, usually I would just wear the robes and the bond, awesome.armour sets.
I don’t even remeber factions due to being a new light during arrivals but I somehow have gotten dead orbit to faction rank 1 so guess I’m a dead orbit fan
My prediction is that the factions regroup possibly with the Concordat which left already, get corrupted by stasis and will attract dark guardians to their cause. If Eramis comes back we may see them form an alliance and possibly be even aligned with Xivu Arath's hive if Savathun ends up giving up the worm. Making us a coalition campaigning for the light and them the disciples of Darkness. An almost perfect Yin and Yang at that point especially if Caiatl joins us and fights a dark and corrupted Calus.
As much as I hope this happens, I doubt it will.
The story seems to be leading into the "gray" where light and dark are considered equal instead of just light vs dark
Most of the people you just mentioned would refuse to work together at all
Nah fam there isnt suxh a thingof darkness evil and light good
Its all grey now
Outside of lore I'm beyond dumbfounded how bungie never implemented the D1 faction system to D2. It would have been a more simple solution than just deleting all of them. Maybe they're galaxy brain and gonna bring this all around.
they did tho, the faction system was in d2 in year 1, but was later removed
@@nicoleyeahah yeah I know. That system was ass. The D1 system was so simple. Support faction. Get tokens. Get weapons/armor/shaders.
@@KindredFenrir Honestly I think it was meant to be this way because if you read the lore tab about Elsie Bray's future where the darkness won they talked about dark guardians and those that turned against the city, this could be setting up a situation similar to that future, where not only do we have to worry about Savathun, her army, and the darkness, but New Monarchy, Future War Cult, Dead Orbit and the Concordat. I did love the faction system tho, wormwood for life.
With the removal they could bring new factions or something better in its place. The factions itself were irrelevant in gameplay terms, even in y1. So cutting them in this way looks like the best Play. Lets hope the bring something worth in its place
@@doktorsmiles2034 my fear is they did this just to move the helm to the rest of the tower and we all know the helm is a stupid ass location that shouldn't exist.
SO glad you did a video on this! It totally freaked me out and made me wonder what's going to happen moving forward
Future War Cult jived with me back in D1 due to their preaching readiness for, well, future war. With the many threats we see looming over the City I see no need to discard that readiness.
The xenophobia, however, I can do without.
I'll still rock my Simulator armor. Especially since one piece did foretell Lakshmi-2's end.
Great twist would be Ikora being savathun and that she framed Osiris, and got rid of factions to take control
MAXIMUM OVERBRAIN move if it's actually true.
I think this will open up the story line for the alien alliance to grow. The Cabal fleet could replace the Dead Orbit fleet, the Splicer can replace FWC and the Awoken monarchy replace New Monarch. It will open the story for a more robust narrative
...And House Salvation for the Concordat?
Please?
What about the Human Representation factor? Would it just be the Vanguard, or something else?
@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 Vanguard+. Hawthorne, Eva, and perhaps Ada acting as representatives to the civilian populace.
Plus, I think the four factions could be filled by the four races.
Vex are FWC (under Asher's influence, they provide calculative analyses of the possible futures)
Eliksni are Dead Orbit (with full knowledge and understanding of what COULD happen should the Traveler fall, they're the ones most prepared for a complete and total withdrawal and nomadic future)
Cabal are New Monarchy (adamant defenders, who see a united monarchal structure as the best way to ensure success)
Hive are the outlier (shady, ruthless, and not entirely trusted, but helpful)
This is an opportunity for the concordat to resurface imo.
Yo Byf, have you considered fully embracing a theory format for some of your videos? I and many other would be eager to hear some of your more out there theories of where Destiny’s story might go.
Same dude
Likewise
SPOILER:
Byf becomes the senate and establishes a new galactic empire.
*I AM THE CONSENSUS!*
@@Azrael_Equinox *pulls out Ace of Spades*
Not yet.
@@citizenterra3589 *Pulls out Lament*
"It's treason than."
All hail Emperor Lore Daddy!
@@elitegamer9310 screams in Omnigul
Fans: Hey bungie, could you make the factions more like they were in D1?
Bungie: Remove factions totally? You got it!
Lysander: *This looks like a job for me.*
Just gonna wait for an Awoken faction and the reason I’ll join is definitely not because of Petra or anything….
I feel like zavala and Ikora doing the heavy lifting as the guardian part of the consensus was probably already going on before cayde died. I can't imagine him as any kind of head of state. He would definitely be the guy falling asleep or doodling on his paperwork during their meetings
he literally tries to pawn his paperwork off to Hawthorne (?) iirc in one of the old nessus strikes lmao
@@Starfloofle haha that's right, in exodus crash I forgot about that
I can see the consensus being expanded to include the Eliksni quarter of the city, with Eido being the representative. Crow being added if and when he becomes the hunter vanguard, Holiday and Eva are both also candidates for the everyday folk. And if we expand it to beyond the city I can see the Cabal having a representative resent at the meetings, as well as someone from the awoken of the reef.
With the factions gone, I expect exotic class items from Vanguard, Crucible and Gambit
ooo you teasing man! Also, good to see the Sleeper Simulant out again :)
If this ended up being a relevant story beat it’d be cool. Unfortunately, it is more than likely just a way for bungie to not have to answer the “what about the factions?” question from players.
My thoughts exactly. The whole epilogue really just felt like a way for Bungie to say "So we're not doing anything with factions anymore, stop asking."
Power vacuum in the city: **Exists**
The concordat: *Hello*
That moment when ironically the factions leaving means that both New Monarchy and Dead Orbit succeeded in their goals. Dead Orbit in that they are running away and New Monarchy in that there is effectively a dictatorship happening.
Lets not forget that Dead orbit owned most of current city fleat, but Bungie defenitly will forget.
@@KanykaAiM most of the faction members abandoned the factions once the stream of horrible ideas started flowing, so while they may have left with a sizable portion of the fleet, they aren't nearly as many ships as there would have been if most of the members would have stayed true to Araach.
It's also good to remember that Dead Orbit owned most of the *Transport* *Fleet* , not the combat or the civilian one.
@@voltus20 what bad things were made by DO I really do not know? I really don't understand why they left.
Transport fleet is VERY important for sustainability of country/city.
@@KanykaAiM
Sorry for the wall of text in advance lol
Lakshmi was acting irrationally for quite a while before this season, to the point that some members asked her to stop using the mind forking vex machine and straight up asking Ikora for help.
Araach Jalal was involved in several internal arguments over how to go about resource allocation and Dead Orbit's objective. He wanted to keep it's original idea of booking it at the sight of imminent danger to the city and never returning, leaving the rest of humanity to its fate, while a sizable section of the faction wanted to use a different approach, evacuating civilians when danger gets to the city and holding out in space until the city is secured and it's safe to return.
New Monarchy was having a serious internal problem as the involvement of New Monarchy with the coup wasn't without reason, Executor Hideo was planning on bolstering Lakshmi's reputation with the city civillians in order to unanimously elect her as monarch, fulfilling the faction's objective. Many of the members saw this action as breaking their code.
Adressing the Transport ships part, we've seen many foundries begin to manufacture civillian, service(medical attention, construction, etc) and transport ships, so the new influx of ships from this private sources should compensate the lack of ships with time.
@@voltus20 Don't forget the incredible influx in productivity we'll be getting with Eliksni helping us, their resourcefulness is unmatched
This would make for an interesting side question or mini game where we have to help manage the city's many needs. It'd be like a civilization match in a way. I could really get into that, especially since it would FINALLY give us a chance to see into the city and its people for a change.
Ikora Ray for president thats what happens.
..I'm not joking...
I'm definitely not ikora Ray but I approve this message in a RUclips comment section.
I hope in the seasons before or after Witch Queen, there is a lore book centered around this political instability in the City. It’s an interesting topic. After losing the Speaker, and now the factions, it may take more than Crow taking the place of hunter Vanguard. The City may need to restructure their government somewhat. Perhaps Eido, and other characters like Hawthorne or Crow may be included in a new counsel of allied forces? Crow, Hawthorne and Eido seem to all be good candidates, considering they are in good terms with multiple groups of people.
Clever girl, Savathun. By pitting the Factions and the Vanguard against each other she assured that, no matter who won, half of the city’s government would be gone.
BUT she may have neglected one thing. There's already a potentially viable replacement group. Misraaks, Suraya Hawthorne, and Ada-1. Plus others who can step up to fill the holes left.
@@ericmurotake5180 oh... Great... More Hawthorne... Ugh...
Love to see byf playing with fusion rifles getting ready for next seasons mods
Yo since the factions of the last city are no more, hear me out, what if there is going to be new factions in which you represent the Fallen (Mithrax), the Cabal (Caiatl), or the Vex (Asher Mir).
potentially the Taken even (Drifter. Given he can summon and controll them to a degree)
@@hjw2029 No-
Im not against Drifter, but that's just not how Taken work in terms of intelligence
@@hjw2029 the taken are cool n all and my favorite character is the drifter but the taken haven't shown any signs of cooperation and its same with the hive from my knowledge. All the others have shown cooperation in some way from the alliances of both cabal and fallen. The friendly vex harpy from the Sturm/Drang exotic quest which is the same as the one Asher mir is talking through on the overide mission I assume/hope.
Vex is low chance. Unless they feel it would be in the interest to their survival, they would never side with us
While I think they would work as a necessary add to the consensus, Humans still need representation, none of the above can do that.
I really hope that we can see Hawthorne take up a bigger role as a civilian leader in the city with the factions gone. She just kinda got delegated to the Clan NPC, and I think she can offer more, especially since she was supposed to help give voice to the lightless citizens on the city
The vanguard just needs to higher Savathun. She's quite an intellectual and if needed she could grow a couple pair of arms.
POV: this is savathun writing her own letter of recommendation to apply for a job in the vanguard
@@foto9254 The thought that Savathun would call herself Lord Doge and use that Profile Picture makes this even better.
@Whatevr_ Just swing by Riis Reborn if you want pointers
Actually, there's a theory that this whole thing was her way of seeing if an alliance with old enemies could be forged. To test if we'd put aside our history with the Eliksni and move forward. And as we have, she may next put forward an alliance to push back the Dark
In full honesty, the factions collapsing shouldn't be too surprising. If you read into their lore a bit, New Monarchy wanted to take leadership of most of the Last Cities resources because they believed they could put them to better use. And Dead Orbit believed that Earth and the Last City were done for and were trying to push the Vanguard to evacuate to space.
One way or another, a coup was going to happen.
Byf also raises an interesting point. Without the factions and civilian leadership, the Last City could end up spiraling into a dictatorship. One that might lead to unavoidable rebellion that could encourage an even harsher dictatorship. If that happens, the Vanguard aren't going to seem much like the good guys anymore. The thought that those more reliant on the darkness might end up coming out morally above those reliant on the light is a very harsh irony.
And it raises more questions for the future of Destiny.
FACTION TIER LIST
1-FWC
Pros: best ideology for a guardian. Revolves around anticipating future events and being eternally ready for the next fight. you could technically practice this and still support another faction, in fact. it's the most adaptable.
Cons: a faction focused on being ready for the next fight isn't as well prepared to take advantage of opportunities to make peace, like the ones we've been presented with in short succession with Caiatl and Mithraks recently. [note: I know people were happy to see Lakshmi-2 dead after hearing her politicking this season, but I still think it's a shame an Exo with the second lowest reboot count in the series wasn't a part of any of the Clovis Bray corp. lore, and even when they had built her up to be a hateable villain, she got an offscreen death. Total misuse of a character, frankly.]
2-Dead Orbit
Pros: wants humanity to branch out among the stars, like our golden age ancestors longed to do. life is hard for pioneers, but our enemies might not be able to get us all if we spread far and wide.
Cons: we are not alone. the hostile aliens in this system are bad enough, the Drifter and people like him who venture out past the heliopause have found worse monsters than anything we've seen in Sol, and the Red War has proven abandoning the Traveler would be suicidal. We couldn't commit all of humanity to an escape into the deep black. Home is far too important, even with our worlds disappearing.
3-New Monarchy
Pros: no more squabbling faction heads or dithering vanguard mentors. NM's mandate is to find us the perfect leader and put him or her in complete control over City government.
Cons: literally a dictatorship waiting to happen. Somehow I'm sure we wouldn't get someone as compassionate (if harsh) as Mara down here on Earth.
4:15 I just wanna give a big shoutout to that Hobgoblin, dodging two melees and a grenade just by standing there.
Well through out D2, your guardian has met all kinds of characters. Hawthorne could be the person that could bridge the gap between the people and the military. She would most likley be the best person to take charge of that.
Exactly she always mentions it so why not her, she's just clan girl which definitely isn't about unity with humanity and guardians, maybe add humans in clans, giving certain buffs or reward systems
Going back to watch the Lysander’s Cry video brought back the SRL memories.
Future War Cult has the coolest room in the Tower though
I'm calling dibs.
Now that the big dogs are out of the picture, one long forgotten concordat may find ease snaking back into the last city politics. I remember back in the taken king when I found one of the new crucible weapons, i fell in love with its scheme and vibe. Now even more fleshed out I imagine an underground illuminati war with spymaster agents both concordat and Ikora's hidden. Green and blue forever!
Gonna miss tea bagging Lakshmi's corpse at the end of the season.
wait where is it i gotta find it
@@frankiebigrings7048 Right in front of where you spawn on the override mission this week, just look at the ground!
@@frankiebigrings7048 as soon as you spawn in on the new override this week, well be practically at your feet
Good for you. Playing with the corpse of a women who snapped after centuries of trauma.
"It's just a game bro, chill."
You're watching a lore video, so you should understand that while Lakshmi's actions were reprehensible, she still deserves some dignity after death. Good day.
@@mikethehunter5212 bro you just just white knighted a racist, dead, fiction robot. Lol.
Do you have any suggestions for who should replace the missing seats and why? I’d like them to replace the Speaker with an Eliksni rep and maybe introduce two new ones for other allies outside the city. Such as the Reef and the Cabal.
I personally think this is one of those on paper big problems, but with very few in game consequences
Honestly this could be a super interesting way to bring Lysander into the story, especially now that we're forging alliances with Eliksni and Cabal.
There will almost certainly be a continuation of Lakshmi's rhetoric of Humanity being "chosen" and therefore other races not being "worthy" of the Traveler's protection, and so I can definitely see Lysander being akin to the Illusive Man from Mass Effect in that he will lead a faction based around human superiority. Perhaps we'll even find out he's being manipulated by Savathûn or the Darkness in order to start a civil war within the City, weakening it from the inside.
Do have videos on the old school history of Destiny? Like the faction wars, first vanguard, etc?
Personally I believe the fall of the factions was perhaps Savathun's main goal with the Endless night ploy. Knowing what we do of her actions and capability's it seems unlikely that the Vex invasion of the Last City was Savathun's real end goal with this whole orchestration. What I see as more probable that this was a targeted attack on the Last Cities leadership under the guise of a large scale war. The end goal being the destruction of the civilian representation and simultaneously sowing the seeds of distrust for Ikora and Zavala, all the while stretching them thinner and thinner until they begin to slip up. This also makes the loss of Cayde at Uldrens hand seem more relevant as he was under her influence at the time. The only part of this situation which I believe may truly have gone against her plans possibly being the closeness with which we were able to bond with our new Eliksni allies.
I think you're right on the money. The vex attack itself being the catalyst for Dead Orbit to finally decide it was time to bail, thus getting rid of all of them in one fell swoop...
Ikora is starting to give me strong “police state” vibes, and that has me worried
Ikora was the one who wanted to include the elskni into the last city and work with them. I think she rather shares power with others rather than just place guardians around the streets and force power. they will find a way to reform a better system.
@@retroman09 I mean she did throw the fallen onto the city without discussing it with the civilian government or the people in general so that kinda sounds like a despot to me.
@@retroman09 by out of the blue taking in fallen..a race youve fought in lore for over 500+ years (and thats before YOU the player wake up and ruin several fallen houses in defence of last city)
Yeeea if bungie actually made destiny be mmo with important choices? Id rim ikora for being stupid mentor or not, she acted stupid and disregarded valid concern but eh...bungie imo screwed the season up by going black and white morale and 1 dimensional villian stupidity (key point being lakshimi who saw london burn, who saw the city burn and who saw the fallen that burned london...be inside the city, live well and weave work for humans like nothing bad happend in the past)
now I'm not gonna sleep tonight because of that end of vid cliffhanger.
I can see this factions wipe as a fresh start. Let's see where we go next.
Thanks, Byf for dragging me always back to Destiny
I’m glad to hear someone else think Lysander is coming back!
I remember the first time I heard Peter Stormare’s voice as Arach Jalaal in D1 & have rep’d Dead Orbit ever since, their whole vibe has always been more of my thing in comparison to Future War Cult or New Monarchy’s.
One thing I’m wondering, how bout we set Hawthorne as the civilian leader. She helped citizens during the Red War, and she was skeptical of guardians’ priorities putting the people first and also recognizing those who need help above all.
She could actually be a perfect fit.
With Saint 14 to back us, and other members of our community.
Come now, that'd be giving a shallow character some depth. Can't have that!
@@NitroNinja324 maybe that would be an idea.
She’s perfect for the job, I know it’ll be a lot of work, but with the darkness on our doorstep, like we have much of a choice.
The people need someone who’s like them. And puts them first. The factions were all politicians, Hawthorne was there, right there when people needed, and even when we needed.
I 95% see Misraaks and Hawthorne stepping in to fill the void. Misraaks is already the civilian leader of a good portion of the current city inhabitants. Hawthorne has quite a bit of experience organizing people for survival. I think they would make good candidates, but I look forward to the next video.
Shame Ikora had more sense than half the people this season "Lakshmi didnt speak for everyone in Future War Cult."
Correct. Lackshmi forgot the real message of the fwc to begin with.
Yup you right...Novarro told Lakshmi to stop using the machine and stop spewing hate speech about the Eliksni. He was smart enough to leave the FWC before she fucked up.
@@deangeloellis729 Mhm, but no half the new lights who were too tunnel visioned on costco colored rhino woman were spouting "Fwc bad me angy"
It’s been a year and a half and this thread of the City’s internal politics has not been touched, as far as I know.
I wonder if the Eliksni will have an input on new factions in the last city.
New future factions of the Last City: Cabal Liaisons, Eliksni of House Light, and the Awoken.
@@Catalyst375 and, if the theories are true, Asher's Vex rebels
I like to imagine when Lakshmi was screaming over the radio.. she was looking at a minotaur cocking back the meanest karate chop the traveler has ever seen.
Perfect time to bring hawthorn back into the mix along with ada 1 as a military an armorer
She can never replace our beloved banshee 44
I streamed d2 last night and briefly touched on how I thought the city might go downhill. A day later and somehow, this video elaborates my thoughts.
Mithrax for speaker
The day the epilogue came out. I was in the Discord (Everyone should join Byf’s Discord) and I brought up this exact fact.
Man now I'll never get new monarchy diamonds 😭
Oh man I’m sorry, I’m a new monarchy fanatic and my Titan has always had their gear. I’m bummed out that I couldn’t transmog the first set of new monarchy ornaments to match the ship.
One of my college classes had a major project that dealt with rebuilding society after the apocalypse. A thought experiment we ran concluded that, in the early days of our society, at least, people would have provided these base goods and services because other people were in the same boat, the people provided their own goods and services. I think it’s unlikely, but it’s possible that this sort of “kindred spirit” attitude may have survived to the city’s modern day.
I'd be legit surprised if the game introduced Lysander at this point and gave us, of all things, a civic management crisis to deal with.
Who or what is Lysander, I am genuinely curious?
@@ruby_loveyt leader of the old faction known as the Concordat. He's the rebel leader Byf mentioned at the end. It's not even known for certain if he's still alive tho.
Ikora: the factions are gone
Lysandre in the basement: yeee boy
I'm hopeful we could get a New Consensus with representatives both from the civilians and our new Eliksni neighbors. Eido, Hawthorne, etc.
As a consideration for that idea
Suraya Hawthorne (replacing Arach Jalaal), acting as a pragmatic, shadowy aide (coordinating evac plans, prepping for the possibility of needing to book it)
Ada-1 of the Black Armory (replacing Lakshmi-2), handling the military concerns of the civilians (possibly turning the Armory into a tool to ensure that even the basic militias and Frames can provide meaningful support to Guardians)
Misraaks, Kell of Light (replacing Executor Hideo), tending to the civilian populace's needs by bringing Eliksni ingenuity and maintenance skills to the people
I wish years ago Bungie created a new PVP gametype called Faction Wars. Team Dead Orbit vs New Monarchy vs Future War Cult. Depending on your choosen faction you chose, the matchmaking system will match you with other players/Guardians that are in the same faction you are in, taking one the other 2 faction, 3 teams of 4, with a total of 12 players/Guardians.
I really hope Hawthorne has an impact on current affairs within the last city, civilians look to her and believe what she stands for.
Would be interesting if the factions unite with the darkness and strike back. Guardians already work for the factions. You could have dark guardians, but also darkness powered mortal humans.
I vote for Amanda Holliday to be the new head of civilian affairs
Ag r e ed
Hawthorne, Eva levante, and Holliday can be our new civilian leaders. And now might be a great time discuss Caydes dare and our boy Crow.
They can always have new factions and Clans both human and eilksni but that my theory
@R3tr0_ Same.
With the directions all the seasons are going this year, I have an idea where the City's government structure will go: similar to how the Vanguard is currently, different figures will represent different groups and demographics within the City, the two most obvious members being Crow taking his place as Hunter Vanguard & representing the Hunter population, as well as potentially holding some kind of role similar to the Speaker, although I imagine the system will be more democratic, and Mithrax being a representative for the Eliksni population. We could see Hawthorne have a renewed relevance, acting as Humanity's representative, and, should we be on good enough terms with them, the Cabal, with Caiatl acting as their representative. As for who else I think will join this hypothetical structure, I believe the so-called "Dark Vanguard", consisting of Elsie Bray/The Exo Stranger, Eris Morn, and The Drifter, will have seats to fill a role that Crow, Zavala, and Ikora cannot, overseeing the Darkness-wielding Guardian population and making sure everything goes smoothly regarding such efforts, as well who I believe will be the final ally we make in the joint effort to battle the Darkness, Mara Sov, representing the Reefborn Awoken.
While we obviously don't know how next season will play out, a lot of people, including me, are anticipating an Awoken-based season, primarily because of the death of Quria, who sustained the Dreaming City's curse, but also because of the direction and common theme every season this year has had leading up to now, creating new allies to combat the Darkness, and the Awoken are basically the last eligible ally left, the Vex, Hive, Scorn, and Taken aren't willing to sit down and discuss politics after all.
We obviously don't know where things will go in the coming months, but it's safe to say we'll see at least some, if not all of these faces fill the seats left behind by the absence of the Factions, and, in the case of the non-Human representatives should we see them, it'll be interesting to see how their government practices will both benefit and impede the efforts of the Last City's government as well as their allies, political discourse between figures like Zavala and Caiatl would be fascinating, as well as the repercussions of such political clashes, if you ask me.
This right here.
I say, it's time to call in Lady Efridit(sp). She put down her sniper for peace. What better way to help maintain it, than help to maintain it in one of its last havens.
I feel like mithrax could make a good faction leader, he is strong dependable and compassionate, so good at hearing the voices of the people of the last city, then we could get a representative from the cabal since they have honour and resilience as well as being good at leading, caitl has shown us they aren't all big brutes that want to murder everyone else. Crow can be the new hunter vanguard and let's get eido to become the new speaker. We would still need a third faction though but that's how I see the future political structure going
Now, we're gonna need 10 new factions. Representatives for the following; Guardian, Civilian, Cabal Military, Eliksni Military, Cabal Civilian, Eliksni Civilian, Eliksni/Human Alliance, Cabal/Human Alliance, Eliksni/Cabal Alliance, and Massive Alliance. Since we're on the good side of some parts of the Eliksni and Cabal, we're gonna need more representatives. And I can totally see alliances happening and civilian splitting away from military in all of the factions. It's only gonna get messier if the Hive and Vex get in on this.
I... don't think Vex even understand the concept of a "council"
Just commented this same thing on Aztecross’s newest video but I would love to see all new factions down the line (either pre or post-Lightfall) - the Cult of the Trinary Star, the Concordat, the Praxic Order, or the Symmetry for example. Perhaps they could be more directly related to the Darkness-Light debate
As another thought, the possibility exists for the allied races to fill in the factions
Vex would be FWC (predicting and analyzing potential futures, and providing suggestions from that, but untainted by organic problems like paranoia and prejudice)
Eliksni would be Dead Orbit (aware that the Traveler may yet fall, and bringing a myriad of contingencies to the table, but less willing to cut and run until then)
Cabal would be New Monarchy (adamant that we stand and fight the enemy before us, and keen on uniting under a single leader, but offering a tempered view (Cabal society had both an Emperor and a Senate))
Hive might fill in an extra role, offering a shady support network that isn't... exactly trusted
I love American politics
Garbage?
@@aabahdjfisosososos As an American, pretty much.
The bigger issue is that this could cause more issues. This basically turns the Vanguard into the de facto military Junta government, which if it lasts will be a major issue for civilians. It could lead to a season of rebellion.
I am just curious if these factions will return as a new human enemy faction against the city.
Oh my if we get some more story on lysander and his followers I will be so happy it's been years since any mention and it would be cool to have season 16 release before witch queen and have it be based off of lysander
Was thinking about this very topic while working the late shift at work. To be honest I can't help but think this was part of Savathun's plan for this season. I mean the endless night was to disrupt and destabilize the city. One being to disrupt the cities power and supplies to keep the city going. Two, in fighting within the city and three, the city's leadership. All things considered, maybe we could maybe see the something of a new Consensus. I mean Crow has grown as a character to where it looks like he will take the Hunter Vanguard spot. Now that the House of Light is now in the city it would make sense that either Mithrax or his daughter Eido would represent the Fallen. As for civilian representation you could see Hawthorn and maybe other non light characters fill those positions.
i’m pretty sure Crow will step in as hunter vanguard. Hawthorn can be the representative of humanity, and then we have Caitl and Mithrax for non-human allies. we need a new speaker tho
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