Disney's Pinocchio Remake is INSULTINGLY BAD...
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No seriously, I hated this movie so much
I feel so bad for you 💀💀
Early
I don’t blame you, the tracking was awful. It looked like it was about to clip.
@Rick and Morty 🅥 go away
I can see why.
Y'know every time I look at a CGI character that is terribly inserted into live action, I think back to the backbreaking work that they did in _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ to make sure that every interaction between the real and the animated was as believable as possible, using trick sets and animatronics to allow cartoon characters to carry and use real objects, painstakingly animating light and shadows to match reality...
And then you have Tom Hanks awkwardly fumbling with an invisible puppet so they could paste a plastic-looking wooden boy into his hands.
They even had Roger stand on his toes at one point when they saw that Bob Hoskins (who was great in the film) didn't have the right eye line.
It's the part in when Roger says that RK Maroon might try to kill Eddie, and presses himself against a wall. Eddie says, "I can handle a Hollywood creampuff," and looks back at Roger.
The ONLY film I’ve seen that does the Roger Rabbit thing right in CG was strangely enough the Rocky and Bullwinkle movie from 2000
@@AnimationNation2004 what about the original Space Jam? Or Looney Tunes: Back in Action?
@@patrickcarter2829 well those were hand drawn but now that you mention Space Jam I guess I new legacy also would fit in this category as well.
And then they have the audacity to reference it in such a sell out film like they put any amount of effort into it/gave their animators the time to get it to that level
Also: The tracking issues are especially so embarrassing because this is a story about a WOODEN PUPPET. You're telling me they can have actors interact with plushes or have real animals on set which are then animated over in other movies, but this movie couldn't have made a WOODEN PINOCCHIO for Hanks to hold and animate over it??
I didn't know they made bots that copied the actual RUclipsrs with a fake checkmark lmao
NOT THE QUEEN, LMFAO
@Emotional D
Link to the clip of me caring:
@@daisanity6457 ikr lmaooo😭😭
@@idontknowhowtochangemyusername Sickening? It's hilarious
It's a weird decision to give Pinocchio a real solid wood texture, have his eyes PAINTED ON, and then animate THOSE. Like... the old Pinocchio had eyelids. Ventriloquist dummies have eye lids. some particularly impressive marionettes have eye lids! GIVE PINOCCHIO EYELIDS.
They did it so they could just swap out textures instead of needing to rig anything for the eyes.
@@Blurillaz that’s so frickin lazy!
@@Blurillaz And makes no sense cause they did it for that ballerina puppet 🙄
The toys in Toy Story 4 looks ten times more realistic than Pinocchio and that's not even live action.
He looks like Jimmy Neutron
My biggest issue with this remake is they changed events related to the story in ways that ruin the overall message. Pinocchio in the original film is convinced to join the puppet show instead of going to school. This is why he faces the consequences of his actions. In this movie he actually makes it to school, defeating the purpose of the life lesson. When Pinocchio goes to Pleasure Island he indulges in smoking and even implies he was breaking things with an axe. He's then transformed into a donkey which was a metaphor for saying he was being a jackass. In contrast in this movie he refused to break anything, there weren't any cigars, and kids drinking root beer is hardly a problem. Once again this movie missed the true purpose of why the scene worked in the original. Being turned into a half donkey in this movie isn't justified.
The whole point of the original film is that Pinocchio doesn't know right from wrong and he's easily lead astray. And when he makes the wrong choices there are consequences for his actions. These experiences are meant to build his character into an individual that learned from his mistakes and eventually chooses to do the right thing. But in this movie he's already trying to do the right thing all along. Sure, he's easily convinced to do the wrong thing a few times almost choosing not to go to school, but Jiminy catches up with him convincing Pinocchio to go to school before he could complete his bad decision. Then there's the time where he selflessly put Geppetto before the puppet show and his donkey ears and tail vanish. The problem with this scene is it has no meaning because he never really tried to do anything wrong in the first place. When the plot is about learning from your mistakes and then the movie doesn't allow you to make them in the first place, you have failed to make a faithful adaptation.
You nailed the problem with this movie perfectly.
I mean the old cartoon made it pretty clear, Jiminy was supposed to represent Pinocchio's conscience and sometimes he didn't listen.
It feels like a recurring issue with a lot of Disney movies, remakes in particular, where they seem terrified of potentially making their protagonists anything other than 100% innocent and lovable characters. Like they're scared that if these characters sometimes make bad decisions, or even knowingly do something wrong, they'll have to face a Twitter mob of angry parents who can't comprehend that sometimes it helps teach children how NOT to do bad things by showing them characters who make bad choices, suffer consequences for their actions, and learn from their mistakes.
Another thing that I think they screwed up is that they made sure all of the antagonists were punished for their actions. Most of the villains not really getting any comeuppance was kind of a big thing in the original movie. Pinocchio might have learned from his lessons, but the people out there who preyed upon and took advantage of misbehaving children were still very much at large and doing their thing. Not only did they miss the mark on the message by making Pinocchio make good decisions pretty much every time, but they also missed it by essentially saying that the consequences of bad choices will vanish and never cause you problems again as long as someone makes the right decisions.
True. a person can't learn from something that never happened. he can never become a real boy because he never truly lived. to truly live is to make mistakes and learn from them. which by them not correctly showing that he turned into a real boy and made it so subtle to the point of it being seen as not happening makes me believe he learned nothing. this new remake was so jarring and a disgrace to the Disney who made the original.
Imagine this movie was partly founded by the tabacco industry and they didn't want cigars to be shown in a bad light in pleasure island - so they had to go.
I wouldn't be suprised.
It sucks that 3D animation is considered an “upgrade” to 2D and not as an equal
True
Yes
Agreed, 2D isn't "outdated," (are classic 2D paintings "outdated" compared to 3D digital art?) there's some things 2D animation can do that 3D can't, and vice versa.
the reason it is considered an "upgrade" is because 3d animators aren't unionized
so they can then exploit them to their hearts content
The donkey transformation from the original Pinocchio hands down belongs on a top 10 most disturbing scenes in a Disney animation. A good chunk of that praise goes to the voice actor selling the moment, but being 2D also allows more control over all other aspects in a scene to accentuate the tone. The real horror of the situation flew over my head as a child, but as an adult, it makes my blood run cold.
The Coachman was evil as hell.
The most horrifying part, Lampwick's last words as a human is him calling for his mother.
Another detail, is he still calling for her, but all that comes out is the braying?
Dude, that scene scarred me as a kid lol. Even now watching the tiny clip in Saber’s video made all that horror flood back.
That scene terrified and depressed me then and it still does. It's like that scene in 'American Werewolf in London' were you see the entire transformation.
@@Mx_Phoenix Same, even as an adult the scene is chilling.
They dropped so much "controversial" or "scary" material that was relevant to the lessons to be learned from the story, then made Pinocchio's CGI even scarier and more controversial
One of my favorite "play it safe" changes was one of the clocks depicting a mother spanking a child in the original film was changed to a police officer stopping the mother from spanking. I hate modern Disney.
@@benchattin I've always seen Disney as obnoxiously-tame compared to the Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network shows I used to watch at the time (Bugs Bunny > Mickey Mouse, imo), and especially after growing old enough to watch anime, but that sounds ridiculous even by Disney standards.
I wouldn't be surprised if depicting that police officer in a positive light was supposed to be some subtle (and vain) attempt to reassure the "anti-woke" crowd. Like they're saying "hey, maybe making the Blue Fairy a bald black woman and overall toning down everything from the 1940 animated movie is admittedly pandering to the left, but we pander to the right sometimes, too! Blue Lives Matter, see? Wait, where are you going?! Come back and give us your money! Wait, why are all the California liberals leaving, too?! What happened to our vast majority of fans who just watch our stuff as an escape from politics in general? Hello...?"
@Lex Bright Raven Yeah, as someone who tends to skew left myself, I'm not fooled in the least by Disney's attempts at "representation," especially when they are also quick to throw those same gay actors and/or black actors under the bus once they inevitably get complaints from the right and especially China--the woman who played one of the Sith Lords or whatever in the Obi-Wan show is perhaps the latest victim of Disney's moral hypocrisy, plus practically every recent Disney Channel series like The Owl House and the DuckTales reboot that skew towards older tweens/teens and are too genuinely "progressive" for Disney as a result (even if that's exactly why they're popular, but sadly Disney decides to listen specifically to the haters who have no interest in actually watching these shows over the actual target demographic).
Nonetheless, I've spent enough time with guys who give off serious "incel/sigma male" energy to know that the right does see the mere act of hiring gay actors, writing black characters, or even writing non-submissive female characters as "leftist" these days. Unfortunately, rather than recognize that these people are an oversensitive "vocal minority" who would probably not be interested in a notoriously-tame company like Disney and ignore them--or better yet, draw attention to the hypocrisy of the "anti-woke" crowd constantly getting triggered these days at seeing fictional characters that don't look or think exactly like them--companies seem to be taking from modern CNN's playbook and bending over backwards in the vain hopes of re-gaining extremists who really can't handle even the most minor societal shifts from the last 50 years. Thus we occasionally get stuff that actually panders to the right like portraying the police as "always good."
@our hero What, a good Pinocchio remake?
@our hero what, your mom?
Also the fact the 1940 Pinocchio might be one of the scariest and Darkest Disney films...EVER. I'm an adult, Pleasure Island still makes my skin crawl.
what about The Black Cauldron?
SAME! I got chills watching that part of the review! Hahaha!
I didn’t think they could screw up any harder than Mulan, but Disney seems to have a hard-on for outdoing themselves. Mulan’s still worse, but damn do I hate this film.
Mulan 💀
I disagree with that this is nowhere near as bad as Mulan
@yes I agree
Haha, yeah! It’s unfortunate
@Sabersраrk 🅥 woooow nice try, bot
What I disliked the most was how they turned an already toned down Pinocchio into an almost flawless one. In the 1940 movie he wasn't the jerk he was in the original novel but at least he was naive enough to frequently end up in troubles.
he wasn’t that bad in the original novel tho. he gets really good character development and always learns from his mistakes. that’s my opinion at least, but there is a lot of good things he does in that novel that everyone ignores.
@@ellarose7114 thats true. I don't know why today Disney seems to forgetting the art of creating character and several times creating mary sues
@@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 It started in 1964.
@@ellarose7114 Glad I’m not the only one who notices that..I didn’t find Disney’s Pinocchio annoying, he was cute and okay but I think the original Pinocchio had good character development and is underrated. (and not just the character, but the book in general is underrated)
The fact that most of them are skiping the teathers and going straight to Disney+ just prove that they are this era equivalent of the straight to video movies.
Theaters? I'm sorry I thought you wrote teachers lmfao
@@idontexist1966 nah he wrote tethers. Because this shit is unbound chaos.
Honestly and I'm kind of glad it's like this so I don't get dragged into the theaters by my family to see some garbage movie not worth seeing.
The Little Mermaid and Snow White remakes will be released in theatres.
@@EpicJoshua314 Disney Princesses are a big brand by itself, Disney relies on them for insta money like MCU
I hope Del Toro's Pinocchio will be more similar to the original book, at least keeping more dark aspects. In the book Pinocchio is way more of a rebel, literally killing his own conscience. The fox and the cat are way more evil, even hanging Pinocchio at one point to steal his money. The Coachman could be literally any adult that uses kids for their own profit, and the scary thing is that at first he's portraited as a very nice person to children.
These are just a few things that I remember, but there's way more. If you want to read a truly dark story for kids than this is your book.
Heya! You've been cryogenized for almost 3 months and Del Toro's Pinocchio has came out already. Everyone says it massively better than this one. How do you feel about this? 🎤
You know Disney is collapsing when "FaThEr WhEn CaN i LeAvE tO bE oN mY OW~n I've got da hole worldussy~😩😘🙄💋💅🏼!" has more personality than Disney's entire remake.
At least that Pinocchio movie's fun to laugh at instead of rage-inducing like this crap
“worldussy~” 😭😭😭💀
Yo bro let's go get some WORLDUSSY
@@calamaribowl8683 bet.
I think the reason 3D animated stuff looks so much worse in movies like this is because we notice the contrast between IRL objects and animated ones. Other times seem to get tunnel vision on making things realistic to the point of sacrificing expressiveness and style.
@im calling saul Go away, bot.
The real reason is the poor overworked and underpaid VFX department people somehow crunching these movies out under Disney's iron fist.
You can feel the stress from the crunch time in every frame, the shakiness and unsteadiness and nearly ametrue look. It's made of blood, sweat, and tears and _NOT_ in the good way. It's painful to watch knowing the pain that goes into these dumpsterfire late stage capitalism cashgrabs.
@im calling saul this is probably the best bot I've seen in a while lol
@@pyraffin Marvel got outed recently as being one of the most offensively-bad workplaces for VFX employees by former employees and Cartoon Brew. And of course MPC is the one that has long set the standard for abusing all VFX employees and a studio that Disney and Hollywood in general frequently rely on despite (or possibly even because of...?) their increasingly-public reputation as slave-drivers. I am very inclined to believe you.
@@pyraffin That too, but I would say the two work together. The VFX people could make some really awesome stuff if they used an easier but still better-looking style for their animated parts, but they likely don't have the authority to make that decision. In addition, on a time crunch they may not have enough time to redo work when they realize things aren't working.
The Coachmaster's "business plan" in the original was an allegory for getting "Shanghai'd", where young idiots would be invited to parties in port towns with booze and opium, then when they black out, waking up on a ship and given a choice of working aboard the ship, essentially as a slave to repay the cost of the partying, or be thrown overboard.
Also game theory channel calculated it and apparently it would be a MASSIVE profit, cause donkeys were just that expensive in that age.
Not to mention he's implied to basically be demonic, what with the devil horn hair and the fact that he turns kids into donkeys by their engagement in hedonism.
And you get a lifetime of work out of the donkey. It's ambiguous if the kids turned into donkeys would still have human lifespans or donkeys, however
Seems more like child trafficking.
@@wildfire9280 That's a more blunt analog, but all of Pinocchio's adventures have a moral for him, in this case "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" and the literal punishment of being forced to pay for one night of "making a jackass out of himself" with a lifetime of servitude.
Character lacks any agency because he's not allowed to make any choices. The entire point of the original movie is that Pinocchio CHOOSES to be bad against Jiminy's warnings. In this movie things kind of just happen around him.
Your right
To be quite honest the whole problem is that Disney is currently obsessed with being politically correct to the point it's breaking the company and ruining their movies because they cannot feature anything that isn't pristine and squeaky clean lest they run the risk of raising some eyebrows or offending one or two people.
@@TheDaniela3112 I agree. The approach they're taking to their movies is an approach guided by comments from Twitter moms and teens who spout random political bullshit at anything creative, making most companies feel the need to cower in fear and bend to the demands of Twitter.
@@quentinparhiala9415 My right what? Finish your sentence.
THIS! Pinocchio makes mistakes in the original. The whole section of Pleasure Island (without his conscience) is him rebelling and getting caught up in all the bad temptations. Something he then learns is wrong with the infamous "jackass" scene.
In the remake he is a "golden child"
You know we're going through hard times when Disney can't make Disney movies
It's funny bc Disney actually goes to Pixar to ask for unique story ideas/development
@@floral_hobi Disney honestly probably wouldn't still be around if it weren't for that fateful merger with Pixar (as well as mergers with Marvel, Lucasfilm, ESPN, ABC, and the non-Rupert Murdoch-dominated sections of Fox, just to be safe). If you've ever wondered how Shrek and Shrek 2, solid movies but hardly the best of the best of Dreamworks, dominated so hard in the early 2000's, it's because a lot of Disney's movies around the same time were of DIRE quality in comparison, and the movies they made that were decent (imo, Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet and Emperor's New Groove) were so poorly advertised because their marketing department was somehow even worse. And that's only talking about the theatrical releases, their already-mediocre straight-to-video releases seemed to have taken a nose-dive in quality around this time, too, outside of the weird exception of Cinderella 3.
Disney these days is like the Hollywood/animation equivalent of Facebook, they'd rather just buy out their competition instead of taking actual steps to improve the quality of their content, and it's shocking that they are not being investigated for their anti-competition behavior nearly as much as Facebook or Microsoft, if at all.
@@JeffreyThrash this right here is exactly it ! They would definitely be nothing without Pixar and their partner companies if they are practically having them do all the work. From idea, to concept, to story, and art.
I totally forgot about the straight to VHS/DVD movies that were just awful. They felt so random and out of place 😭
@@floral_hobi At least the straight-to-video stuff was an attempt (a low-effort attempt, but an attempt nonetheless) to create original new stories within the universes of their most beloved '90's and '40's movies, as well as a reason to hang on to talented traditional 2D animators for just a little while longer. These remakes are nothing more than flexes demonstrating how they could deliberately make worse versions of their past successes and somehow make EVEN MORE MONEY than the originals, because they are just that unstoppable now.
@@JeffreyThrash I wouldn't say unstoppable, nobody rules forever for Disney their death will come real soon. They've already been selling off some of the studios they bought in an effort to recoup losses. Not to mention they haven't had a major success in years so a majority of their shareholders will be dipping out soon. The only thing keeping them alive is Hulu and Disney+ but give it time people will be dropping subs soon. Not to mention a lot of their copyrights are due to expire soon and its highly unlikely with the growing hatred of copyright law they'll be able to get them extended. Doesn't help they basically lost the status as the family company with all the the anti-parent attacks like turning red.
My biggest issue with this movie is that it's message is completely contradictory to the original Disney masterpiece that the film constantly insists on being compared to. The entire point of the 1940 classic is that WE AREN'T perfect just the way we are. Nobody is. Not a single person on this entire planet. Yet, throughout our fleeting, mortal lives, we still continue to look up and aspire to become more...to be better...to achieve the dreams of the highest personal good we can possibly be. Really powerful stuff...there's a reason why it's regarded as one of the greatest films ever made.
This movie represents none of that. It wants to wear the prestige of the original like a coat, yet complete defy the original's entire reason for being. Pinocchio is never at fault for anything in this remake. Everything happens TO him, not BECAUSE of him. He's established as helpless and blameless in every situation. He never does anything bad. And even when his actions are relatively questionable, the movie reassures us that it's okay and not a personal flaw at all...Even his lies are portrayed as a positive self attribute; getting him out of trouble in a moment of peril...It follows in the shallow footsteps of other recent Disney films like the live-action Mulan movie and Captian Marvel. The film doesn't understand that stories aren't relatable if the protagonist has become/is born righteous beyond his or her own need for personal growth...
Disney has completely forgotten how to do The Hero's Journey or any form of character arch when telling a story. They place the protagonist from the end of the story, who has overcome obstacles and changed as a person, at the beginning. So any potential obstacle is easily overcome. The audience is not able to relate to such characters nor become invested in their story.
you sure thats what they were saying? I mean, the song literally says "anything your heart desires will come to you". he literally wishes on a star for his puppet to be a real boy and it does.
@our hero ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html this is better
Same thing with the message in Aladdin, they completely got that backward too, it hurt to watch.
I'm sure some people are gonna give me flak for saying this, but one of my biggest criticisms of the modern "Social Justice" movement is how heavily it encourages this exact "I'm perfect the way I am, and everything bad in my life is always someone else's fault" mindset that you described here.
Fun fact: While Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is widely considered to be the first fully animated movie, that's actually not the case. Snow White was released in 1937, whereas an animated German film by the name of "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" was released in 1926 (later 1931 in the US). But unfortunately, due to the Magic Kingdom, no one remembers Achmed.
There were also apparently at least 2 animated films from Argentina that were released before Snow White, but they've unfortunately been lost to time.
Yeah the Argentinian one was called el alpostal. To me it's sad that such an important piece of animation has been lost and is very unlikely to be ever seen again.
Prince Achmed the tiger fucker will ALWAYS be remembered
Oh yeah, he was that guy who fucked a tiger, right?
Directed, written and animated by Lotte Reiniger. Saw it in college and it was amazing what she could do.
Hey was about to mention this neat to see someone else knew
The phrase “Disney’s _____ is insultingly bad” could be used for nearly everything they produce nowadays. Just insert the current, soulless piece of crap entertainment into that blank space. A blank space is an appropriate visual for modern Disney’s lack creativity and quality. This once great studio is now Disney in name only.
SO true! ;A;
The best thing to do is just avoid Disney remakes in general, the more you give them money the more remakes they’re gonna pop out.
I don't care what anybody says. All those remakes are bad on the principle of them being just cash grabs, meanwhile, the classics are timeless. That's why they're classics! I don't care about the new song! They only made it to get an award for an original song! I can listen to it on youtube without having to watch 2 hours of a story I already know but done way worse.
Good luck telling the general public to avoid the remakes. You know a lot of people are gonna watch 'em anyway.
They already announced a lion king remake 2 about mufasa, snow white and peter pan, they just won’t stop and they really don’t seem to care what we think, I’m starting to lose all my respect for Disney ;-;
Best thing, in my opinion, is to avoid Disney.
Everything they've been putting out lately is formulaic garbage. The most they do is drum up controversy.
Yeah don't even pirate them, I'm hearing more and more that these companies are starting to even take torrent numbers into account now
People need to stop hatewatching Period or there will never be an end to these things 😭 I haven't seen a single disney live action remake and that's a point of pride for me
It bugs me most of all that Pinocchio is pretty much opposed to pleasure island the whole time. The original he really indulged. It was in an awkward following other's way, but he still indulged.
Jesus Christ why are there so much bots recently
Damn, the bots have Queen Elizabeth now 💀💀💀
*THIS!* I didn’t mind the changes they made to Pleasure Island’s activities too much, but it doesn’t make sense that Pinocchio transformed at all because he barely indulged in any of the activities aside from playing pool and drinking a single sip of root beer.
It’s also contradictory since the remake changed Pleausre Island to a story about not giving into peer pressure, so it would’ve made more sense for Pinocchio to indulge in the fun since he was pressured by Lampwick, the Coachman, & all the other kids.
@@PeruvianPotato There's so many bots because RUclips can't (read: won't) do it's job.
Why are people liking these bot comments? Are they making other bots to like them?
The thing is by the end he DOES actually turn into a real boy, it was that bad that nobody could notice it unless u look at how slowly the more into the dark he goes the human skin appears and the the bendy parts of wood disappear, it looked disgusting 🤢
Can we talk about them giving Geppeto a *dead wife and son* in this movie? making his motivations for wanting Pinocchio to be a "real boi" just that much creepier to me, for some reason.
The scene where he's walking around with Pinocchio just creeped me out, man. Like a damn horror movie.
Interestingly, based on the trailers, Guillermo Del Toro's version seems to be going with that idea as well. Let's hope it works better in that version.
Bah, Disney would have killed off Geppeto too if they could. Parents and mentors in Disney movies rarely lives long....
pretty sure that was in the original story?
not the disney one but like... the real story.
@@SasquaDash from what iv heard of his works is that his trailers seem lighthearted but his movies are way darker. And considering he's basing his movie of the already dark original book, his story is prob a darker retelling of pinocchio which makes sense
It’s kinda similar to “Astro Boy.” The main character is created as a robot after the father’s real son is killed in car accident.
I think the most uncanny thing about this new Pinocchio is his painted-on eyes. In 2D, you could get away with paint magically becoming eyes, but in 3D they're dead and soulless and horrifying.
He looks like a Sonichu with his eyes like that
@@PyckledNyk Pinocchio is about to zap to the extreme!
It's sad how Disney took a wonderful animated classic like Pinocchio and turned it into another piece of corporate cynicism.
They’ve basically turned all of the animated classics into pieces of corporate cynicism (except The Jungle Book, because that was actually pretty good)
For example, I watched Beauty and the Beast (1991) a couple days ago; there’s lots of moments that are exciting for kids like the humor, the music, and the bright visuals. But there’s also a lot of features in that movie that you can truly appreciate and enjoy as an adult like the story, humor, the deep internal struggle of the the Beast, and how his relationship with Belle builds up. Bottom line, it’s a masterpiece, and it literally got an Oscar nomination for Best Picture!
But then there’s the live action one; it’s just such a downgrade. All of that soul and energy is ripped away, it feels more monotone, some of the characters look stupid (especially the Beast’s servants, and the Beast doesn’t even look like a monster, he looks like a generic hairy man lol), and the inner conflicts aren’t presented as well. It’s so mediocre to the point where it’s painful…
Yes it is sad I agree
What do you mean by corporate cynicism? That's an interesting term.
I only recently found this out myself, but the original scene where the redheaded kid turns into a donkey is why I am so scared of smoking and alcohol. I won't even clink my glass with other peoples glasses if there glass is alcoholic even in the slightest. I don't even like being around people who are smoking or vaping- that scene scarred me as a kid and I mean- I don't care, better for my organs, but the "THIS IS BAD, BAD STUFF HAPPENS IF YOU DO THIS" message is loud and really clear.
I'm a grown man who watches brutal TV shows such as FX's The Shield, and the donkey scene from the original Disney Pinocchio still gave me chills.
I think it's the same for me. Good. It's better this way.
Gay
DARE actually worked on me, that's why I don't drink or smoke, lol. But I also have always recited a similar mantra to that of what my mom would say whenever I and my siblings went into a store with her when we were kids. Hers was, "You don't want nothin, you don't need nothin, so don't ask." Mine with smoking and drinking is, "I don't want it, I don't need it, I'm good."
Also, being physically assualted by your older brother's drunk girlfriend when you're 12 does wonders for being very uninterested in those things :)
Yea same here and still scared of that fat bastard/the guy that turned the kids into donkeys otherwise known as Coachman
Seriously we’re starting to see a point that Disney is ruining the remakes more than improving of classic films.
The only one that felt like a genuine remake was The Jungle Book. I swear if they let Jon Favreau have creative control for Mufasa and possibly a Brother Bear remake it could bank big
@@Orcaluv26 I also liked Mary Poppins and the Winnie the Pooh films enough.
Other than those three the remakes were the originals except worse storytelling and artistic wise.
@@kaiser8659 exactly, also wasn’t Mary poppins a sort of sequel?
I actually watched the original for the first time yesterday and I agree, it is such a beautiful film. It surprisingly has some dark moments for a kids movie, but it has so much heart to it. It’s about a naive young boy learning to be good with help from his friend and conscience. Also the use of music in this film to describe certain plot points is amazing! The story is a little jumbled, but this is definitely up on the list of my favorite classic Disney films
That was back when PG actually meant something.
Disney was always slightly dark, though not as dark as the tales they based their stories on.
The original film legit gives me anxiety. The whole middle act just has this constant dread of knowing Pinocchio is hanging around a bad crowd he shouldn't be hanging around with. This is going to sound pretentious but I think it plays into a fear all of us have felt at some point growing up-- the first time we stayed up past our bedtime, the first time we stayed out after dark, and especially: the first time we hung out with some bad kids our parents wouldn't want us hanging out with. Stranger danger. Kids smoking and drinking. Stuff that just sets off our deep-seated alarm bells from what our parents told us growing up.
The anxious tension builds for so long it's almost a relief when the other shoe drops and Pinocchio finally faces the consequences of his actions: getting kidnapped the first time and almost turning into a donkey the second.
I agree with everything Saber said but I'd like to make two notes:
- the og movie probably felt like a series of scenes glued together because the og novel was published episodically in a magazine!
- as an Italian I can concur that light in Italy IS like that. You can't keep your eyes open (of course it depends what area you're in, I have no idea where Pinocchio is supposed to take place)
Also I'm probably remembering wrong but I think in the original book the Blue Fairy shape shifts into different forms to help Pino? So maybe that's why they added new characters? 🤔 either way this movie is useless and I hope they lost money doing it-
I know that there's places in California that are blindingly bright, so looking at these scenes doesn't bother me. I've heard our weather is sometimes comparable to the Mediterranean. So I was wondering about that. Thanks for the confirmation.
@@elfiefromangelcity6142 In my city, the college arboretum has a section where there's Mediterranean plants, cuz our climate is so similar to theirs.
I don't even think it has to be similar weather to Italy. I've lived in Florida and Texas and it definitely gets that bright on very sunny days. I was a bit confused about Saber's criticism because it just looks like intense sunlight to me.
@@garnetavi I'm in Texas and taking my dogs out to the backyard to pee or what have you is sometimes painful on the eyes because the floor of our porch is concrete and it reflects a searing white light at your eyes at the wrong times of day lol.
That's a good theory about the blue fairy, I choose to believe it.
I love how Disney seemingly put more effort in the furred side characters than pinocchio
It's easier to hide animation flaws when the model is covered in fur. But they most likely had a different team working on Pinocchio's model than the furred characters, which is why there's a massive disconnect of styles
@@McNaBir combine that with Disney's experience in fur animation over the last couple of years and you have a big gap. Still sad the overall end product was and though :/
@@sirmrmcjack2167 seriously. You'd think they'd also take pointers from Pixar and actually make decent water physics too. All of the water in the movie legitimately looks like lube 😭🙏
@@McNaBir eww, reminds of that thick water for people with swallowing problems. I kid you not, that's an actual thing. I tried it once and not only does it taste awful, it also is almost chewable. It's thick enough that you can't drink it normally but also liquid enough that it's just about not chewable
@@sirmrmcjack2167 Never heard of that stuff and while it sounds disgusting to us that sounds amazing for the people it is intended for, science is bloody amazing nowadays!
The best thing about these live action remakes is that they make us look back on all these classic animated movies and see why they all work so well.
I understand that when Saber agreed to the Helix sleep sponsorship, he recorded a bunch of footage during the receiving/unboxing/setup process so that he can splice them together in various sequences during the sponsored segments of future videos, but I also like to imagine that every time they sponsor him they send him a new one and he has to record himself acting excited all over again every time while having a side room full of mattresses
I love this
Saber just having a "princess and the pea" stack of Heilex mattresses is the funniest image! 🤣
I thought he was. I could have sworn he opened the mattresses in different rooms because there's no way you could seal it again yourself.
You just made this sponsorship 10 times funnier for me, I will never be able to watch these ads again without laughing my ass off! XD
He's addicted
The first thing I noticed just watching the trailer, is how deep into the Uncanny Valley it goes. Might as well be the Uncanny Marianas Trench, it was that offputting.
@Queen Elizabeth 🅥 No one cares, "Impostor".
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My great uncle worked on the original animated feature, he was responsible for the scenes with the evil coachmen who takes the boys to pleasure island... he would be appalled by this monstrosity. I know I am. Good review Saber. Love your work.
What did he do?
SO IT WAS YOUR GREAT UNCLE WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEVIL FACE!!!! I'm So Angry Now That I Know Who Animated The Coachman.
Fun fact, I took a voice acting class over the weekend, and the teacher (who, for privacy reasons will remain anonymous) was almost going to be the voice of Jiminy cricket. But he was replaced with the guy in the movie (I forget his name, I'm sorry.) Regardless, the teacher told us that he was a bit pissed about being replaced 😕
I feel pretty sorry for you and your teacher too. He or she does a much better Jiminy Cricket impression than Joseph Gordon Levitt can ever do!
I know this is off-topic, but you can take voice acting classes over the weekend? I honestly wanna take some voice acting lessons
@@looneysprig You can also watch some different lessons on youtube, but here's just a few starting things.
1) figure out your vocal style. Can you do elmo like voice? Try to do high and low, nasal and not. See which ones you can do and with each of those...
2) vocal range. Figure out how high and low each of those go. For instance, right now I've had covid twice and it's damaged the shit out of my voice so right now if I do a stitch impersonation I can't do it higher pitch into Elmo. (and yeah, it is the same type of voice, just in different octaves.) without my voice cracking and I'm trying to take honey and warm water to see if it'll get better over time. But, to use this example, I wouldn't say I could do elmo because I can only do 'elmo' at a base intonation and if elmo was to project and be excited, his voice would go higher... and that's where my voice would now crack. However, I also have a deep voice so I (used to) have a similar vocal range to Ben Diskins. But, to end this point, each voice you do is going to have a different vocal range.
3) Accents. This is pretty common that a lot of voice actors end up adapting some similar to british accents as it's VERY common in dubbing and in games like Dragon Age. But it's good to figure out if you can roll your r's (I can't).
4) Face-accents. So, say you get an image of a character. Oh, it's an ogre with a wide jaw. Try doing the voice but with your jaw pushed forward as if you're imagining your face also having a wide jaw as you do it.
5) the rest of it is just acting. Making the voice sound the appropriate emotion.
I'm not a profesional, I've just dabbled in doing different voices and was likewise interested in trying to do VA but it's a bit harder to get into without connections.
What I really hated was the first scene. There was some real potential in changing Geppetto from just a kind and lonely old man who presumably never had the kid he wanted because he worked too much to get married and start a family to a grieving father who had a son who he lost. That could have been interesting if they did anything with it like I was expecting them to.
Let's just ask the questions. How would their relationship be affected by Pinocchio looking like Geppetto's dead son? Would Geppetto see Pinocchio as his own person(or puppet)or would he expect him to be like his son? Would he resent Pinocchio for not being his son? Either way, how would Pinocchio feel about it? Would it affect Pinocchio's ability to form his own identity? Would he feel inadequate knowing he's not really what his father wished for? How would Pinocchio react to Geppetto or anyone in their village bringing up the dead son? Would Pinocchio's existence open some old wounds for Geppetto? How would he feel about being a father again? Would his emotional baggage prevent him from being a good father? Would he feel guilty over replacing his son? How did his son die? What was their relationship like? Was Geppetto a good parent? Did he make any mistakes? If so, does he want to try to do better with Pinocchio? This movie is sitting on top of an untouched gold mine of potentially compelling character drama and I will begrudgingly admit that the song at the beginning was pretty touching(the only decent emotional scene in the movie). But the movie doesn't do anything with it. It barely mentions Geppetto's late family and doesn't change anything about his characterization from the original. That's the biggest problem with the movie in my opinion. It makes changes and throws in new characters and plot points, but it doesn't do anything with them. All of the changes are pointless and it's just a blander version of the 1940 movie. It doesn't exist so I don't know if a Pinocchio remake about Geppetto learning to cope with grief and trauma to build a relationship with the magical wooden kid that comes into his life would have been a great movie, but it would have at least been more interesting.
@P4rty V4mpyre Haven't seen Astroboy, wasn't aware of that.
God, YES. I thought all the same things and I'm so baffled they introduced the plot point of Gepetto having a dead son, only to never actually use it.
A reminder that Guillermo del Toro is making their own version of Pinocchio, and that one looks a lot more promising!
i love how disney doesn’t have time to develop pinnochio and geppetos relationship but they have time to plug in their other properties with that horrible clock scene
Putting references to their other properties is something Disney has done since their Renaissance. In Aladdin, there is a scene where the sultan is stacking little figurines and one looks like Beast from Beauty and the Beast. I also remember a 2D animated Dismey movie where there is a rug that has Carpet's pattern from Aladdin.
I think they went way overboard in this movie with putting so many other properties into one scene. I agree with Saber that maybe 1 or 2 references would have been enough.
To Chad - That movie was the “The Princess and the Frog”.
Jesus Christ! They used the clock sequence as a memberberry scene? What shills!
@@chadschmaltz9790 the ones they did during the renaissance era were just fun little things the animators put in for people to notice it didn’t actually interfere with the movie itself or it’s artistic value. the clock scene felt like an actual advertisement built into their movie, it’s pure corporate bullshit.
It's honestly kinda sad, if even Robert Zemeckis, director of Back To The Future, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Forrest Gump, and The Walk can't even make a halfway decent live-action remake of a beloved disney classic, then any and all hope at this point for any new ones coming out is just gone at this point!
His remake of the Witches was also dreadful.
It’s better than the original. You just hate it because it’s different.
To be fair, he had kinda gone downhill after his obsession with cgi and had some recent bad films.
Because they don’t need to exist
@@cajunking5987 ew, a bot
If you read about the development of the 1940 _Pinocchio,_ Disney REALLY cared about making that film work. For one thing, the main character: Pinocchio in the original Collodi book was an unholy brat. He made Bart Simpson look like Oliver Twist. Realizing how difficult it would be to make audiences sympathize with such an awful child, Disney took a different approach and made him innocent and naive. Pinocchio’s design went through MANY iterations. They couldn’t quite create an endearing living puppet design until Milt Kahl suggested that they were doing it wrong: instead of designing him as a puppet, they needed to design him as a _child,_ then add wooden joints and whatnot to complete the image. A LOT of risk and design choices went into making that film, and it holds up spectacularly well to this day.
With this remake there was no such refinement process; they’re just redoing what worked before in a new medium. What works in 2D does not necessarily translate to 3D, but there was no refinement process when putting this remake together. They just took the legwork that the actually talented artists did way back when (yes, shot fired, what are you gonna do, Disney?) and did all over again. They’re like a new student copying his older brother’s homework for a free passing grade (with a little added “diversity” for cheap clout on Twitter). It’s a disgusting betrayal of Disney’s legacy and the arts in general (that sounds more pretentious than I expected, but it’s the truth).
Why do people keep seeing these awful live-action remakes? No one likes them, and yet they keep making money! For goodness sake, DON’T watch this movie, folks. Go back and rewatch the original. Stop encouraging Disney to make more of these!
Man, if Milt Kahl wasn't my hero before...! xD
This quote sums it well:
"You've read what others has done and you took a next step. You didn't earn a knowledge for yourself, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood in the shoulders of geniuses to acomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had, you packing it, packaged it and slapped on a lunchbox and you're selling it. Selling it." - Tan Malcolm in "Jurassic Park"
Pinocchio wasn’t a “unholy brat”. He was a bad kid but he learned his lesson by the end of the book. He did do some bad things but they were not THAT bad to the point where he could be called a unholy brat. He just made mistakes and he was just new to the world, he learned from his mistakes. I hate when people exaggerate things. Also “He made Bart Simpson look like Oliver Twist”? Bruh.
@@emiritorisei Actually in the very first iteration he actually killed the cricket and got his maker arrested
@@RocketHarry865 I know what he did, but most of the things he did were just stupid things. They weren’t okay to do, but those two things you mentioned along with him taking Gepetto’s wig off were the only times he actually hurt someone.
I'm glad that someone else agreed with the fact how awful it was. By the way, is it even creepier that Geppetto making Pinocchio because his son died as a young child, his wife left him and in order to get his wife to come back, he made Pinocchio to look like their dead child? I pointed this out to everyone who watched it with me and its totally worse then the original. For real this is what the movie did to the story.
Honest John really bothered me, he spoke with his teeth and he has human hands. :/ I hate it.
Ikr
Just you showing a picture of the Coach Master gave me chills. Pleasure Island was such a terrifying segment of the story. I will never forget the screams of the kid who got turned into a donkey. The animation in that scene was amazing too, with the use of shadows to show the transformation. Even if Disney was trying really hard when they made this new movie, there’s no way they could top that masterpiece.
EDIT: I wrote this as soon as I saw the Coach Master, but I just watched the rest of the video, and you made the exact same points that I did. So I feel special knowing that we had the same thought process 😆
in the book he bites off the ears of one of the kid donkeys, who is pulling one of the carriages. For warning them away in the first place.
Granted, I was smoking a late night blunt lol but I thought the new transformation scene was just as unsettling as it should have been
Well Disney employees are literally Coach Masters now, so there is that. 😂
@@invaderhorizongreen8168 oh my god 😨
‘No way they could top this masterpiece’
That’s my main problem with these remakes- isn’t the point of a remake to improve on the original? Take a movie that obviously wanted to be more but didn’t quite live up to the director’s vision for various reasons. The 1941 movie didn’t need to be improved at all. Despite being released 81 years ago it’s barely aged, because 2d doesn’t age like 3d does.
If Disney wanted to improve upon the original by just making it cgi and calling it a day, they would remake their earlier cgi movies that have aged poorly because the cgi is distracting. Can you imagine a remake of the first Toy Story, Dinosaur (2000) or a Bugs Life with The Good Dinosaur’s level of CGI?
But they won’t do that, they insist on remaking 2d films because of the bullshit narrative that 3d is inherently superior to 2d
Why they didn't give him a puppet to just hold is beyond me, feels like the simplest thing to just stick some pegs into a piece of wood and call it a prop
They had all the money in the world to hire that cast, pay for all that marketing, animate/rig/light up all those scenes... and they couldn't afford a simple puppet for the acting.
Yeah thats absolutely bizarre, I haven't seen the movie so all I've seen of the bad tracking comes from this video but it absolutely looks like they did not give him a prop to hold lol
I was thinking the same thing except even easier, just hand a cylinder the size of Pinocchio's torso, they keep all the artistic freedom to move limbs however they want while also having a clear physical object to hold so that the hands are always the correct spacing.
@@christianstonecipher1547 Exactly! Other films use tennis balls on sticks or a rough rigging of a head for larger CGI animals.
I just love that irony of the drinking purely because it feels like ever since they’ve let people consume alcohol at the parks, the ADULTS got more childish and insane.
Agreed, disney adults turned disney world into pleasure island 2.
@im calling saul
Saul stop trying to rickroll me
Growing up, Pinocchio wasn’t one of my top 5, maybe even top 10, of the favored Disney classic cartoons. However, my all time favorite part of the film was always seeing the giant sperm whale. How unnaturally menacing and terrifying he was. This movie completely butchered Monstro to a degree it’s infuriating. Instead of simply making a dark sperm whale, they decided to go with sharkctopus, with wings, from the syfy channel. Disney needs to stop with these live action remakes because this is getting atrocious.
I believe and this could be wrong, they changed the design of Monstro in the 2022 version because, in the original story, he's an oversized dogfish. so maybe they wanted him to look more like that?
I always avoided watching Pinocchio as a kid cause the donkey and whale scene were terrifying to me
the movie scared me as a kid but now that im older I just look at the animation and Im like whoa i miss this animation
I always liked the 1996 live action version of the whale instead, well it wasn't a whale but it was a sea monster that kinda still had whale looks
I love when Pinocchio suddenly turns into a boat motor
thats actually in the book as well
It’s funny how the daytime scenes look like someone cranked up the exposure video effect, but the nighttime scenes are so dark that it makes Godzilla 2014 look brighter in comparison.
It’s crazy to me how little care goes into every aspect of these remakes. Even simple things like color and lighting would seem like no-brainers to get right, and I can barely make out anything from the Coachman picture at 5:57
Just... GOD why are people still watching these?!
They should've taken notes from the 2003 live-action Peter Pan. Yes, a movie from almost 20 years ago did better daytime AND nighttime scenes than a movie that came out just recently.
it's the main reason i have such a heavy distaste for real life media, shows or movies, the lighting always suck and don't even get me started on the annoyance that is the quiet night time mumbles the characters always have, vs the loud boomy battle effects every single time.
I feel they are overworking their VFX team WAY too much. Like marvel, disney remakes, etc. Is all being cranked out yearly.
Also... another pinocchio movie came out last year, it's italian and it tries to follow the story more closely, the pacing is a bit wierd but I honestly really liked it anyways, I think it deserves to be watched by a wider audience but since it's a "foreign" movie, it got swept under the rug :(. Also it widely uses practical make-up and masks instead of cgi in a lot of cases and it just makes it more charming to me. There's so many Pinocchio movies that you could make a compilation of them honestly
Is that the one with the really weird human faced fish in it?
@@embroideredragdoll yeah lol, I'm pretty sure that's why they tried to stay away from cgi
2D animation needs to come back, at least a little. Disney is way too obsessed with the 3D, as is just about every animation company. 3D animation isn't bad, but 2D is still good too, and it works
You'll be happy to hear the Disney is trying to bring back 2D animation because they're trying to develop a 2d animation art department
there will be a movie called wish which is fully 2d animated, they are gonna bring the good shit back !!!!!!
It's NEVER coming back.
y'all posting links are damned to step on a piece of lego
And when we mention 2D animation we are talking about proper hand drawn full animation, not the limited animation typically seen on TV or vector/flash animation which has plagued western TV shows for a while now
about half way through the movie i was actually hoping they’d divert from the plot of the animated movie and actually send geppetto to pleasure island to maybe learn more about his son (as it’s hinted that that is how he ‘died’). it might have given hanks a little more to do, flesh out more of the story there with the donkeys, and the coachman and those spirit things, then geppetto and pinocchio could escape together by boat to then get swallowed. but no, we had to watch them shout across the ocean to each other for way too long..
Two things:
1) I can agree with you on how the donkey scene was terrifying in the cartoon. When my sister was three or four and saw this in the neighborhood theater, that donkey scene had her so hysterical, my family had to take her out of the theater to calm down. I wasn't born when this occurred, but I can believe the story.
2) I had a "what if" plot where Pinocchio was not distracted by Honest John and actually made it to school, but now he has to deal with being "different" from all the other children and how uncomfortable that could be. Also, Lampwick, originally being the school bully, gets "adopted" by Pinocchio as a talking donkey who manages to escape Pleasure Island before going full transformation.
That "what if" is a better story than the crappy Pinocchio remake we got. Giving Lampwick a second chance is another way of showing that Pinocchio's a good person, and maybe he could become a real boy because of that action. I would have loved to see this alternate story put into reality rather than the soulless remake created with only an intention to grab cash that Disney made. It's horrible. You came up with an amazing variation to the story! Great job ✨👍❤️
Also, yes, that donkey scene did hit hard. I'll have to rewatch the original soon!
The funny thing is that in the version I grew up with Pinocchio did go to school (after his encounter with Fire-Eater a.k.a. Stromboli. After his misadventures with Honest John and Gideon, including going to jail for being fooled, he did very well in school and the blue fairy promised he would be a real boy the next day. Then came Lampwick, and the Pleasure Island part of the story. Only needed to be a good boy for one more stinking day...
My favorite part of the original Disney Pinocchio was the part with Monstro. From the search for him underwater, to seeing what he looked like, to the final chase sequence; he was genuinely terrifying due to how realistic his design was, his roars, and geniune look of mallace throughout his screen time. The climactic chase at the end IMO is still one of the greatest and most intense moments in all of animation. They totally screwed up such an iconic moment in the remake because they made him look like some sort of Whale Octopus thing and you never really get to see all of him. Also Pinocchio and Gepetto don't appear to be in any sort of danger as they easily escape him no problem. Part of what made the original 1940's chase so memorable was how dire it was as they couldn't get away from Monstro and how Monstro destroys their raft. This makes Pinocchio slowly drag an unconscious Gepetto to the cave in the rocks while Monstro is charging and then proceeds to leap at them before smashing into the rocks.
Original pinocchio is the book
@@salvaore31 I was referring to the original animation done by Disney in the 1940s when saying original. I'll be sure to be clearer next time.
I noticed the CGI almost immediately. It looked really off when Gepetto was holding Pinocchio, which is so damn embarrassing for a company as big and rich as Disney. Figaro looked good most of the movie, but at the end his CGI began to look odd and the background clashed with his animation.
Pinocchio himself looks really weird, the creases in his forehead look...wrong? Like...he looks like he's actually made of wood so...any wrinkles in his skin looks...strange...
Cleo looks ridiculous, I don't think I need to go into detail about how unnerving she looks.
It was so dumb how they censored out the beer and cigars, that's what made the Pleasure Island scene so significant. The ending was dumb as hell like he's supposed to turn into a real boy, the hell happened??? Literal modern garbage. Stream 1940s Pinocchio.
Yeah, why couldn't they just cast a real cat as Figaro? And who thought it was a good idea to put a HUMAN FACE on an otherwise realistic cgi goldfish?
I think they just didn’t want to depict real children smoking, but like… they used a lotta CGI already. They could just use CGI cigarettes.
I mean I know the ending he does but like it’s said in the video captions, it’s just hard to miss
It's laughable pathetic that every one of these Disney live action remakes can be reviewed with the phrase "watch the animated movie from several decades ago, it's much better". I think the one possible exception is Maleficent, but not because it's better, because it's different enough from the original that it's not just an inferior imitation of the original. You can actually get a new experience from that one beyond just disappointment.
It tells the story from the side of Maleficent... That's the only way remakes are acceptable... Give me a story about Ursula... Give me a story about Jafar.... Give me a story about The Evil Queen... I would watch the hell out of those movies... I would love to see how Ursula goes from living at the palace to being exiled... Maybe take the original concept of Ursula and make her the sister of Triton
I thought the remade Jungle Book was different enough to stand on its own, and a decent film.
@@alisonmicahtillery3814 Closest thing for the one about Jafar is found on RUclips. It's a musical play called "Twisted: The Untold Story of a Royal Vizier", which has Jafar as the protagonist. Really funny, too.
@@LloydTheZephyrian I've seen it, I love Starkid lol
@@alisonmicahtillery3814 I’d still be hesitant about those, given what happened with Cruella
You know I'm starting to think maybe it was a good thing that Disney films like Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire were viewed as failures by Disney (they pretty much planned that), cause it makes it more likely Disney will never think about Remaking those classic films.
You read my mind. Those movies are like hidden but greatly valuable gem, and I think it's good that they stay the way they are.
Apparently not, as there are talks in Disney about making a live-action adaptation of Atlantis: TLE. So maybe not...
@@ndGio Atlantis got a sequel and a tv series so it's not like it was completely forgotten about after the first film.
They sadly consider the failures too, I heard before they're planning a black cauldron live action remake.
@@Rusty_Spy True, but I hope they don't touch Treasure Planet, that movie imo is one of the best movies from the 2000's Disney era
Never forget Disney’s ACTUAL live-action Pinocchio remake they did back in 2000 called, Geppetto, which starred Drew Carey in the title role and the story is told from his perspective. Also, the Jonathan Taylor Thomas!Pinocchio movie needs to be talked about more.
Saber laughing at the brightness of the outside makes me think that we have grown so accustomed to movies being so fucking dark all the time that actual daylight seems unnatural now lmao.
I blame this year's Batman for that LOL.
SERIOUSLY I CANT SEE ANYTHING ANYMORE
@@marcohidalgo1101 okay but Batman is like the only one where being dark makes sense (plus it’s lightning is actually good because we CAN see everything happening so)
@@slurpingmario8006 LOL I meant the 2022 Batman to be specific. I'm well aware that Batman's supposed to have a dark atmosphere, but there were scenes in the 2022 movie where I couldn't even see the fighting going onscreen.
Man this movie makes me so mad.
I wasn't expecting gold but at least a movie that understands the bare minimum of what Pinocchio is about. It's a story about karma and learning from your mistakes, a story about a flawed protagonist. What I got is a Pinocchio with a strong moral compass who never does anything wrong, it's always other people deciding for him or him getting tangled in a string of events.
The most insulting offender is Pleasure island: Pinocchio doesn't get there willingly, he doesn't partake in any of the activities, he knows that what he's doing is wrong without the help of Jiminy, he doesn't smoke nor drink, and yet he turns into a donkey. He did literally nothing wrong but he still gets punished, and I think this sums up the movie pretty well.
And let's not talk about all the crazy Astro Boy stunts.
I can imagine Disney making a live action ver. of The Hunchback of Notre Dame with no talking gargoyle statues, just like the live action adaption of Mulan without Mushu. Well that goes to show how Disney is sucking away the magic with their live action adaptions.
The Chad "Pinocchio: A True Story" vs the Virgin "Pinocchio" live-action remake.
No. They're both virgins.
How do you even compare the two
Honestly would watch meme fuel Pinocchio over the remake any day of the week.
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I am an Italian girl and, as a child, I read the story of Pinocchio. When I watched the classic disney there were a lot of omitted things (I understand this because some were quite disturbing, like the fact that Pinocchio ends up hanged from a tree or that, when he is a donkey, he is crippled and they want to skin him to make a drum) so I always wanted a story more faithful to the original. They were a lot of lessons to be learned in the book, and inside there was an insight of the time period and a condemnation of some things wrong in my country in the time it was written.
And now these two Pinocchio have ruined my dream ... why are they both so horrible? WHY? That's a real shame...poor Collodi
If it makes you feel better there's another pinocchio movie coming out this year by Guillermo Del Toro, which will definitely be more in line with the darker source material, can watch Pan's Labyrinth to get a vibe of the director/writer :)
A reminder that Guillermo del Toro is making their own version of Pinocchio, and that one looks a lot more promising!
At this point, you *can* judge a book by its cover if it’s a Disney live action remake.
That’s not very fair.
Funny you should use that analogy. I rewatched the original animated movie on dvd and I was curious to pick up copy of the original story, there was a copy by penguin classics, but the cover on it had a permanent sticker advertising: soon to be a major motion picture. That was a deal breaker! I hate it when book publishers do that, doing movie tie-ins, when we know movie and TV adaptations are almost never faithful to the source material. We also know that “soon” eventually becomes now and then becomes the past, making the advertisement super dated, even more so if said event is a flop, because it’ll be forgotten by the masses in a short period of time and all the merchandise from the franchise will be seen as a regrettable accident, like getting drunk and having a tattoo on your face, that’s either offensive or drawn by a bad artist. Case in point, Pinocchio 2022 is not a major motion picture since Disney hasn’t bothered to release it in theaters where the broader public can access it, but confined it to the exclusive small screen of a smart tv with a Disney + account. And apparently with the criticism it’s receiving from reviewers, like this video, this remake is gonna be a flop.
@@animechic420 okay you look at the last three live action flims and tell me do they look entertaining in my opinion I can tell it's going to be shit.
Can we also mention that the Blue Fairy magic shot first at the picture of his son then at Pinocchio? Is that supposed to imply that they brought his son back from the dead into the body of a wooden boy?
Thanks Disney for making my position of defending the Jungle Book remake even harder
I am defending that remake of The jungle book also because it's really was a good movie especially like it when they change that ending the remake ending is better than the original ending
I actually liked the first LA jungle book. One of the only Disney LA movies I've enjoyed.
I really like the jungle book as a kid, too, so maybe that's why.
Jungle Book!2016 was actually good because it took the bones of the original film and expanded upon it
They still took their first remakes seriously. Now it’s just embarrassing.
Out of all the live action remakes Disney has done, the Jungle Book (did they call it Mowgli or am i thinking of a different adaptation?) is the less cringe of them all.
It's getting so tiring with all these live action remakes. The art, as in the skill level, of the original films is what made them so memorable and loved. These are just so rough and leave a bad taste in your mouth
I don't care what anybody says. All those remakes are bad on the principle of them being just cash grabs, meanwhile, the classics are timeless. That's why they're classics! I don't care about the new song! They only made it to get an award for an original song! I can listen to it on youtube without having to watch 2 hours of a story I already know but done way worse.
@@kingagrabowska9366 I disagree with you entirely not all the remake are bad I think the good one is the jungle book remix because of my opinion that's way better than the original especially when it comes to the ending. While I love the original jungle book the ending of that movie was completely stupid you mean to tell me after Mowgli was so against going to the man village he finally decides to go into the village because of some girl that made me completely upset as a kid when I saw that scene but otherwise I enjoyed the original as for the remake it has some flaws but otherwise I think it was one of the few good ones and I did appreciate the remake changing the ending
This ain't the first time Disney make remix of their original properties they've been doing this for years does the 101 Dalmatian remake ring a bell
@@animezilla4486 the first Disney live action reimagining is that of the Jungle Book in 1994. But it’s based mostly on the second Jungle Book rather than the first.
Pleasure Island, at least from the screenshots you showed, looked like it was supposed to be Coney Island back during its amusement park day. This makes sense given the level of debauchery that happened there.
I'd love to see one of these remakes be an actual reinterpretation of the source material instead of remaking the original movie (**cough** Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio). Like you can have designs inspired by the movies to secure that Disney "ownership" of these franchises, but at least do something different besides removing things.
It's really sad, because the disney movies were already adulterations and euphemisms of the original stories, these remakes press on even further with euphemisms on top of the already adultered story to the point that it becomes unrecognizable
Matteo Garrone's live action Pinocchio from 2019/2020 is pretty faithful to the book and has stunning practical effects and prosthetics....a really good adaptation imo
@here is the full clip You're still spamming like the bots though
say what you want about Dumbo, Maleficent, Alice's in Wonderland, and Cruella movies. At LEAST they tried to show a new story instead of ruinning the original plot.
@Sabersраrk 🅥 Fakerspark
Seriously, the fact they screwed up the ending and moral of trying to become a good person, making the right choices, sacrifice, and Pinocchio having to go through alot of turmoil and work to achieve becoming a real boy really says something about the people who made the movie, and how much they don't "get" the original.
Instead, they shoehorn a typical cheesey "you don't need to change/you're great the way you are" message in, which while not a bad moral, wasn't the point of the original.
If they wanted to push that message, they should of remade Dumbo instead... Oh wait, they did... Hopefully, this Pinnochio remake gets forgotten too in a few years, and I hope kids don't assume it's "better," just because it's live-action/CGI...
Only good thing I can say about it is, bad CGI aside, they at least kept Pinocchio's original design in tact. A rarity you see in modern remakes/reboots.
Seriously, "Geppetto" with Drew Carry and Haley Joel Osmond was better then this...
“You don’t need to change who you are/you are fine the way you are” is a really shit moral for a kids story about growing up. Growing up always involves changing and sacrifices. And nobody should forever want to stay “the same”. You should always be trying to improve your character and knowledge in some way. Maybe you shouldn’t change yourself superficially for other people, but you should always want it improve in some way for yourself.
@@Seri-dy5dd yes, that's kinda the point of the original movie. Pinnochio grows wiser, and in a way older therefore he becomes more human.
Meanwhile, immature people whom refuse to learn from their mistakes, improve their character flaws, accept criticism/advice, or become smarter, just end up growing up into jackasses.
Apparently, the modern movie makers don't understand that.
@@beauwalker9820Also, it goes against the message where Pinocchio DID need to change because he was a little sh*t in the original book.
@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 Oh yeah, he was. For example, Pinnochio freaking killed the cricket who tried to give him advice in the original story. The original was way dark, like alot of classic children stories. Even the "toned down" Disney animated movie had it's fair share of dark and scary moments.
You're right that the new message that, "You're perfect no matter what" is kinda a toxic moral.
And if these people behind the remake truly believe that they wouldn't constantly follow whatever the latest Hollywood & social trends are, and such.
I feel the message at the end was that Pinocchio throughout the movie has been treated unfairly because he’s not a real boy and that being real is the best thing ever. However, being real can have another meaning which is that while someone is a real flesh and blood human being, that’s just because they’re real on their outside, but what about on their inside/their heart.
It ends with Pinocchio becoming real both on the inside and on the outside as he has a real heart while the 6 villains and the kids at Pleasure Island in this movie have wooden hearts.
Somebody should be judged on who they are not on their outside but on their inside.
the reason pinocchio is so popular this year is because it just entered the public domain
wasn't it already in the public domain?? I swear I've seen so many Pinocchio movies that weren't made by Disney from the 80s and 90s
The one movie I know that nails the animated interacting with live action, is ironically enough Roger Rabbit, mostly because they built animatronics to simulate how the 2D characters would interact with the live action, and the funny thing to me is that it seems infinity harder to pull that off, and yet they did all those years ago . Damn that movies great
They actually cared when making that movie. Everyone involved went the extra mile because it was an odd time where cartoons were kind of respected. Don't get me wrong, people still saw them as "kid stuff" for the most part, but there was a kind of angle where people were coming to love and respect the artform, an attitude that went on into the animation renaissance of the 1990's. But what little respect there used to be has been overshadowed by "IT MUST BE REALISTIC!" and at this point, it's all an issue of marketing nostalgia dopamine rushes and making adults feel like they're somehow more dignified by watching a watered down "real" version while still making sure they get their kids hooked on the same Disney cocaine that they can't let go of.
You couldn't make a movie like Roger Rabbit today. I don't mean that in the same way people say "You couldn't make Blazing Saddles today" because there's a difference between politically incorrect content and technological achievements.
Look at the animation in Roger Rabbit, then look at the animation in the Chip n Dale movie. How could something made 34 years later be THIS much of a downgrade? You'd expect a 34 years of animation technology to look BETTER, not worse.
@@alecfoisy58 we’re living in the worst timeline
@@alecfoisy58 honestly if they made the chip n dale movie like a mafia version of roger rabbits, ie actually have real 2D characters interacting with cgi ones, that could’ve been neat, hell, they have actual dip in the movie already, like cmon
@@alecfoisy58 Lack of interest, simply put.
I remember seeing the trailer and actually liking the way Pinocchio looked, because instead of some random, creepy puppet, we got a CGI puppet with the same cartoony style similar to the original. That’s something that I give Disney credit for and wish that they did with the Lion King. Really sad to see that the movie did not live up to its expectations though.
Or at the very _least_ have the lions emote the way real-life lions & other cats are actually capable enough to do - since, y'know, they can actually talk in the film......
I gotta give the movie credit though, the animation for Honest John looked surprisingly good. Like someone actually put effort into animating this one character. Just look how expressive he looks compared to every character in the lion king remake
@@diegozizumbo-ortiz6427 My guess is that since he was in the movie way less than the lions, they put more effort into that small amount of time he was actually onscreen, which also costed less money than it would have been to animate the lions the same way for an entire feature-length film
I don't know. He might not be a random puppet, but as someone who usually doesn't get that Uncanny Valley feeling, he creeps me the fuck out.
Every Bloody time Disney Corp does a live action remake, I ignore it and watch the original, with one exception, Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland was quite competent and I love how independent and tough they made Alice.
Yeah like, at the very least that movie was GOING for something different. It wasn't trying to be the original animated version Disney made ages ago, it was trying to be it's own thing. Hell, as a kid I preferred the newer Alice rather than the animated classic. They made the world wonderfully terrifying and thrilling, and the beast thing Alice befriends is so cool I wanted it for myself. The way it ended also felt a lot more satisfying than the original. Disney needs to look back at THAT film as an example of how to make a powerful female lead, instead of doing what they did with Mulan in the Mulan remake. That shit was VILE and robbed any good character quality cause sHe HaS mAgIc PoWeRs NoW
The reason Disney keeps releasing live action movies because they’re attempting to extend the copyright on their intellectual properties (which is ironic, since most of their most famous characters have been based on public domain stories). The reason why all these live action movies are so soulless is because they’re literally a cash grab
This is it, pure and simple.
If Disney were a person who had to follow the law and actually have it apply to them, most of the classics would be public domain. It's just like with the videogame industry. They "own" something, but do nothing with it for 40 years yet still agressively persue copyright infringement.
Give up the copyright claims, or make shit available for purchase (in the case of old games at least).
Disney should have no rights over any of their classic movies as
1) They're older than most people alive at this point.
2) It's all stolen and/or ripped off material to begin with. Claiming copyright on stories that are people's culture and heritage, most being public domain to begin with, should not be legal in any fashion (let alone accepted by the public).
@@borrisg4972 Even Micky Mouse is supposedly stolen from an animator named Ubbe Iwwerks. Disney had its 3D renaissance when they poached Pixar animators after they blackmailed the company to stay.
On top of that, now that Disney owns Fox, they’re doing the exact same thing to many popular movies like Aliens and The Fly, which used to be easy to screen festivals, but now Disney has tight control over
The monopoly needs to be broken up.
They replaced beer with root beer? Now that is some unneeded censorship. The animated Pinocchio had some unsettling moments (which were awesome), but it seems like this remake didn’t have the same amount of pizazz.
It didnt have the same amount of pizzas either
9:20-9:50 perfectly summarized what people feel and why people dislike live action remakes. The “hate” is coming to exec producers for their lack of creativity and intense greed for cash.
they couldve had a real pinocchio doll as a prop and just track the movements while its held, and animate any extra stuff like talking. how has 3d animation gone this low when it started out amazing in films
So the typical Disney remake.
@Rick and Morty 🅥 maybe living on Earth is just not for you
These bots are absolutely relentless...
Everything Disney does is a soulless remake that may or may not have a soulless agenda
Yep, stick to the 1940 version, kids! That's much better than this crap.
just the fax
“Pinocchio” is a really good book. Not just for kids, but enjoyably dark for adults. It’s also a quick read, with fabulous illustrations, but I also like the modern Gris Grimly illustrations. I read it nearly in one sitting when I was 22.
I remember when the seagull showed up I said, “oh look, this is where the additional 20 minutes comes from,” and was right on the same level with the Stromboli assistant girl. But the part that really made me question life were the shadow people, since I couldn’t believe what I was seeing at first. But at least I still really liked Figaro.
Wait, shadow people?!
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj I assume he's referring to the Coachman's henchmen, who looked like shadowy gorillas in the original.
@@seanmyster6 Yes, that caught me off guard. I only remembered that the originals wore shadowy clothes because I saw the original the day before, and wasn't expecting them to be literal shadow people in the remake.
2 things came to my mind when I saw the trailer for the first time:
1- “No way there’s no way they’re doing this”
2- “HOLY CRAP WHY IS TOM HANKS IN THIS HOLY CRAP-“
I’m not subjecting myself to watch it to see if there is anything else I’ll think of this.
@Queen Elizabeth 🅥 Uhh sorry isn't she dead 💀
This is so disappointing especially after The Incredibles and Lightyear. At this point I don’t want anymore remakes. The trailer seemed really good and seeing Tom Hanks I had some hope.
The worst part is every remake Disney has some great fairy idea changing or adding to the original story is the best idea ever. Not to mention the political correctness they think is going to give them more money.
Pinnochio is one of my all-time favorites. Although even as a kid I felt the ending was a bit bittersweet: all those kids that were turned into donkeys are probably never gonna see their friends and family again.
In the book the ones that transformed bout could still talk were condemned to pull the carriages. other then candlewick everything is left up to the imagination as what happened to the rest.
@@invaderhorizongreen8168 And Candlewick dies,so...you know...;"-(((
A reminder that Guillermo del Toro is making their own version of Pinocchio, and that one looks a lot more promising!
@@fernandozavaletabustos205 i know. I saw the trailer a month ago.
in the book the age of the said kids is 8-14 years old, let that sink in 8 year olds who did not know any better.
Dear Saber, when the original Pinocchio came out, the drinking age was 15 and 16 in the U.S. depending on the state, though 12-14 year olds often drank beer too. The drinking age wasn't increased to 21 until the year 1986.
But they could still show that underage drinking is bad
@@embroideredragdoll but it's not. brits and europeans do it all the time. it is neither bad nor wrong nor immoral.
@@agvulpine It is bad, at least health wise for the young.
@@grylltheonion everything in excess is bad for one's health, but a pint of ale never hurt anyone of any age, ever. Consumption in excess only exists in environments of [artificial] scarcity, such as in the United States with unconstitutional age limits and hyper-taxation of alcohol.
@@agvulpine nah fair enough, I understand what you mean. Drinking at home with your family can make you a lot more wiser with drinks when you go out (am British and drinking right now). But at the same time, drinking without supervision or self moderation isn’t good and I think it is wise to teach kids that excessive drinking isn’t something they should want.
The original Pinocchio was a news paper publication. The author, (typing this from memory don't remember his name), took a if you do bad things you will be punished approach. In fact the story actually was supposed to end with Pinocchio's death. However the news paper got several complaints that children were upset that he died that the news paper begged him to change the ending. He said fine but Pinocchio is going to suffer a lot more before the end.
For further explanation this is based off of what I remember from when one of my classes covered it either in high school or collage.
I thought the original Pinocchio was hung at the end, right?
@@dannydogs4385 That was the ending before the author was begged to change, I think.
I had some good expectations for this movie because I liked that they tried to capture the image of the original 2D film into 3D. A lot of the critiques with previous "life action" disney films, like The Lion King, there were critiques of it being too realistic to the point where characters were losing expression readability and the dialogue not synching up with the mouths right and other stuff like that. I saw the live action designs for this and thought, "Oh, they're listening to their audience and holding back the realism a bit. That's nice." I actually thought that the real life Pinocchio model was an actual puppet that someone would be controlling and then they would motion track the face and whatever else they would need to post production. I'm upset knowing that this wasn't the case, but at the very least, I thought incorporating actual puppetry would've been a cool and unique idea to not only add to the realism, but to also utilize some dying art forms that aren't used as much anymore because of all of the technology. Idk what else to add to this except for I'm upset that it still didn't do well, because I had very high hopes for this one.
1996's The Adventures of Pinocchio used a practical puppet (painted VERY CONVINCINGLY to look like wood) and a little green/blue screen to bring it all together. I have no memory of if that movie was "good," because I only saw it once as a child but DAMN the effects were amazing
@@oliviayeates3931 The puppet for that version was actually designed by Jim Henson. That's why the practical effects for the 1996 version were amazing.
No wonder it was so lifelike
The original movie is one of the most beautiful and terrifying films I’ve ever seen. This remake just feels empty. Sad they seem to focus so much on movies they refuse to give any kind of character to.
Could say it feels
Wooden
When it comes to live-action remakes, Word of advice Disney:
"Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should do it."
Ikr
They even wanna do a live action lilo and stitch..
@@kaitlando636 I keep praying that's just a rumor, but knowing Disney, my prayers will sadly and most likely become reality. And if it does, forget it! I ain't supporting your product Disney! You can take your Live-Action remakes and shove it up your ass!
I love the part where Pinocchio says "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die." It broke me. Epic and iconic.
I love how it follows the part where Geppetto debates whether or not to have sex with his hologram, truly an epic tale
Why didn't they have Pinocchio Vape and drink white claws? It could have been a nice modern update and you can still have the No No message 😆
Ha. My mother took me to see a theatrical re-release of Pinocchio when I was very little in the early 80's, and she would tell me about how when the boys start turning into donkeys, I got very quiet, and about the point they start rounding up the donkeys and caging them I turned to her and said, "I'm ready to go home now." Wish I remembered it. Childhood trauma gold.
The original Pinocchio scared the shit out of me, especially the donkey transformation scene. I noticed that all the live action remakes that Disney has made-- they take out a lot of the emotional cues that the films are known for. It's pretty sad.
There’s actually a fourth Pinocchio movie coming out this year, “Pinocchio and the water of life”. Somehow 2022 ended up as the year of Pinocchio.
3:23 Jesus, you nearly killed with that line , LMAO.
You know it’s sad when the same guy who directed the Back to the Future trilogy and Forrest Gump couldn’t save this movie. The fact that it was also directed by the same guy that did Who Framed Roger Rabbit, a movie from the 80’s that had much better tracking with hand drawn characters than this film from 2022 has with its CG, is quite sad and depressing.
Yet Roger Rabbit himself gets relegated to a poorly executed cameo in that shitty and insulting *Chip 'n' Dale* movie.
@@Attmay i don't think the new chip n dale film was that bad imo, they made the old version of film sonic into a likable character
6:00 Dude have you seen film theory’s video on how well the coachman’s business actually is?!
The replacing beer with root beer was legitimately hilarious to me. But now all i can think is whats that telling kids?
I really dont wanna think it, but they're gonna make a zootopia live action
They better fucking not lmao, given the whole lion king debacle, it would be as emotional if not less emotional than having furries re-interpretating the movie with fursuits
there's no way whatever comes out of that could be considered live action
@@miguelpadeiro762 *Cough* Cats 2019 *Cough*
@@marcohidalgo1101 Cough cough *dies from cringe*
Nah it'd be highly more likely that they'd attempt an Oliver and Company live action film
When the remake is this awful, you know that The Little Mermaid is gonna outdo all the shit in this.
I gotta commend you Saber. You really took one for the team sitting through this.
Worse is that Disney will use the actor’s race as a shield against the criticism
@@misterzygarde6431 can it be a shield if the actress' race is also the reason it's being hated on compared to the others? No one gave af with the others. That people reacted this much to something so minimal truly Makes You Think.
@@misterzygarde6431 fan baiting basically.
The usual tactic of the last 10 years companies are using, with outrageous or out of the blue casting choices for their media, so that they can shield themselves from any criticism on their mediocre piece of media, because you end up labeled as "-ist" or "-phobe".
Critic outlets can't voice out their opinions in the fear of this, so end up agreeing with the terrible team that released the brand new abomination with terrible pacing, art direction and story.
Rinse and repeat, make more, money money & more money! Because the company truly hates the fans, and just want loyal mindless minions to eat their products without questioning!
@@ember9361 exactly idk why people act so ignorant knowing damn well most of the hate is directed towards the actressess skin tone
@@ember9361 That's because it's not a minimal reaction, people don't like the race swapping. She's probably a really good actor, but she doesn't have the looks for the role. Yes, the looks do matter because the whole point of the live action remakes is to show a one-to-one transition from animation to realistic 3D.
Granted, there are a few out of a million are making it about race because there are people like that and you can't snuff out all of them (like cockroaches), other than that, I'm pretty sure most of the hate isn't directed at the actress' skin color. If anything it's directed at Disney for their bizarre choices for actors and their roles.
There was actually a 'live' action Pinocchio before this and I remember enjoying it pretty well. A little uncanny but it was a good story, the puppet looked and moved like a puppet boy. It is called
'The Adventures of Pinocchio '
I don't think Disney has rights on this one but I could be wrong
was that the weird one with Johnathan Taylor Thomas in it?
There are many live actions named "The adventures of Pinocchio", an earlier one was made in Italy and Pinocchio was played by an actual kid dressed as a puppet
Nope. WB and New Line made that one. That was the Pinocchio I watched growing up and IT WAS SURPRISINGLY GOOD.
At first: "father when can I be on my own, I got the whole world to see" (also Never lies when lying was his whole character)
Now: This