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    The X-Men are Marvel's premiere team of mutants, and being a mutant comes with the downside of being hated by pretty much everyone. But have you ever wondered why this is? Why does the public hate the X-Men while other superheroes are loved like celebrities? We're answering that question today with a little help from Philosophy Tube!
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  • @rasnac
    @rasnac 7 лет назад +643

    The real question is: how the hell the public know which superhero got his power through mutant gene? How do people know Spiderman is not a mutant, but Iceman is?

    • @obeseboi7375
      @obeseboi7375 7 лет назад +148

      Thats a good question. without scanning them for an x-gene people wouldn't know whether they are mutant or not.

    • @zettovii1367
      @zettovii1367 7 лет назад +140

      Having that said, Spiderman still had quite a bad publicity.
      Although he did eventually earn a good one due to his deeds, unlike the x-men who keeps on getting reasons to be hated on each and every time they are seemingly redeeming themselves publicly.

    • @behindthescenesphotos5133
      @behindthescenesphotos5133 7 лет назад +86

      It's a very good question. Mutants joining the X-Men are going to be identified as mutants, but I've never read a comic where anyone speculates about Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, etc... being one. Yet, if a mutant in street clothes exhibits special abilities, everyone starts screaming "mutant!"

    • @victormanyeruke9997
      @victormanyeruke9997 7 лет назад +89

      Spiderman wants to wear a silly costume and help humans,Cool.Peter Parker wants to publicly use his powers and even try to work near regular folk?Get that unholy Mutie out of my sight!!Superheroes don't ask for rights but mutants do,that was the explanation cyclops gave once

    • @swanpride
      @swanpride 7 лет назад +80

      Exactly...no matter what explanation you make up, in reality, Mutants work better in their own universe in which things worked out a little bit different. Otherwise, there are a ton of plot holes. How can anyone tell who is a Mutant and who isn't? Why should the Superhero community stand aside while Mutants are hunted? Why is one kind of power okay and another isn't?

  • @Jfireprime
    @Jfireprime 7 лет назад +793

    Making a psychic bacteria the source of anti-mutant prejudice effectively removes blame from humanity. This takes away from the core themes and message of the X-Men. It makes mutant kind no longer analogous to real life minorities, which was originally the whole point of the comic.

    • @TheAntiSanta
      @TheAntiSanta 7 лет назад +43

      The analogues to real life minorities came later. Wasn't the original point. That's definitely the point now, though.

    • @kaiwilliams141
      @kaiwilliams141 7 лет назад +20

      You can always leave it out of your own headcanon.

    • @captaineverything563
      @captaineverything563 7 лет назад +17

      There's a similar thing about nationalities. Everyone is American, the villains are French (Batroc the Leaper), Russian or German (All of Hydra). The only diverse people are the ones from Marvel's made-up countries (Madripoor, Latveria, Wakanda and maybe Hydra Island)

    • @captaineverything563
      @captaineverything563 7 лет назад

      +Cosmic Mouse I mean in marvel

    • @ryansmith-jr4gn
      @ryansmith-jr4gn 7 лет назад +29

      +Cosmic Mouse Marvel is an American company with its storys set in USA so of course their characrers are going to be from there,but if you actually bother to look it up Marvel has many non American superheros and they also have many American villains

  • @wdcain1
    @wdcain1 7 лет назад +231

    Cyclops: "When the Avengers save the world, the people throw parades. When the X-Men do that, they throw rocks."

    • @dannyolortegui3776
      @dannyolortegui3776 10 месяцев назад +13

      I've always pointed that out

    • @jamonce5734
      @jamonce5734 Месяц назад +6

      I mean usually the X-Men save the world from other mutants, so even when the mutants are heroes they're also the menace, while other heroes save the world from skrulls, kang, doom, thanos...

    • @joezuru3753
      @joezuru3753 Месяц назад

      @@jamonce5734 that's a lot of bullshit from stupid people

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 24 дня назад

      This is why they need to merge with the Xmen.

    • @wdcain1
      @wdcain1 24 дня назад

      @@jamonce5734 I'll never forget how at the end of Judgement Day, people threw a parade for Nimrod and Orchis, mutants' biggest enemies right now. Even the X-Men's villains are more liked then they are.

  • @Sc0rpJoe
    @Sc0rpJoe 7 лет назад +199

    But the thing is, most people don't know what made Spider-Man become Spider-Man. Its not like it is openly known that a radioactive spider bit him and he got those powers. The people just know that he has powers, not where he got them. He could just be another mutant in red and blue tights. That was a crucial part in an early X-Men comic called X-Men vs Spider-Man. They got a mutant alarm when Banshee went missing and he mentioned a spider-thing shortly before they lost connection with him. They followed the Signal and found Spider-Man, assumed that he was the mutant the alarm set off and fought him. In a different story of which I forgot the name of, Spidey pretended to be mutant, because mutants where celebrities in the story.

    • @weathermangohanssj4
      @weathermangohanssj4 7 лет назад +8

      House of M I think

    • @wingmandecrayt8932
      @wingmandecrayt8932 7 лет назад +3

      So why does the public in the Marvel Universe like Spider-Man so much ? He could be a Mutant after all.

    • @Sc0rpJoe
      @Sc0rpJoe 7 лет назад +7

      +The Question That's my point.

    • @ltericdavis2237
      @ltericdavis2237 7 лет назад +32

      I was also going to bring up the issue that most of these chance superpower occurrences are unknown to the public, so the argument of why they aren't treated poorly like mutants fails. However, as I was going over it, I realized that a lot of the superheroes whose origins aren't known still face a lot of hatred. I think the best examples to counter against each other would be Hulk and the fantastic four. The fantastic four's changing event was well known and the were well advertised as being good guys from the start and were one of the most beloved groups of heroes to the populace of marvel. The hulk, meanwhile, apparently just appeared after a nuclear explosion and started wrecking the place. It seems to me that heroes with unknown origins are far more likely to be mistrusted as opposed to heroes publicly known origins. Don't forget that spiderman had some serious negative press from the daily bugle, which often cited the problem of not being able to trust an unknown man in a mask to fight crime.

    • @Sc0rpJoe
      @Sc0rpJoe 7 лет назад +6

      +Factoid Even if Hulk gets a lot of hatred by the public, his real identity is openly known, what happened to him, that he is working on something to cure himself, and that it isn't technically his fault. Thats why he gets a get-out-of-jail freecard.

  • @marysherrill8821
    @marysherrill8821 7 лет назад +225

    Stan Lee once mentioned that the idea of the mutants came from having a completely different type of hero origin story. Not radioactive, spiderbite, chemical accident, science experiment, alien, ect.. just born with powers. And the X-Men were created.

    • @robocoastie
      @robocoastie 5 лет назад +7

      Mary Sherrill perhaps that’s why except in rare Spider-Man specials the X-men seemed to live in their own marvel world

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 года назад +15

      I heard that Stan Lee couldn't think anymore ways for people to get abilities.

    • @pendragon0905
      @pendragon0905 2 года назад +2

      Mutantkind was actually born due to genetic experiments with human genes by the Celestials. Then a catastrophe struck which caused the Celestials to abandon Earth, leaving humanity divided in mutantkind and ordinary humankind.

    • @definitelynotarnie8635
      @definitelynotarnie8635 2 года назад +3

      @@pendragon0905 that was because people couldnt just accept evolution as a powers source

    • @pendragon0905
      @pendragon0905 2 года назад +5

      @@definitelynotarnie8635
      In my opinion, that origin story for the mutant race sounds a bit too farfetched; as much as I'd like to suspend my disbelief, I'm afraid I can't buy it that evolution causes certain humans to develop random superpowers that are very much unaffiliated with each other.
      When a species evolves, there's more uniformity in the species; all members of a species will have specific physical and genetic characteristics which make that species unique. Mutants have no such uniformity with their species traits, especially since their powers have no uniformity.
      That's why, in my opinion, it actually makes more sense that mutantkind arose as a result of Celestial bioengineering rather than natural evolution.

  • @zeonianking2983
    @zeonianking2983 6 лет назад +62

    I feel like the hatred against mutants only works if they’re the only beings with powers. If you add other heroes and villains who are not mutants it makes things kinda confusing

    • @kongthornton780
      @kongthornton780 3 года назад +5

      yep

    • @wilkeskidd1610
      @wilkeskidd1610 18 дней назад +1

      I disagree. If they’re the only super powered beings then people would have more of a right to fear them. It would make sense. Adding other superheroes to the mix makes someone who hates mutants have to justify why they hate them exclusively and not people like The Asgardians or Spider-Man. It ends up being more illogical and ignorant, because that’s exactly what bigotry is. Why make exceptions for specific superheroes above others? Specific races above others? Specific sexes above others? Specific sexualities above others? It doesn’t make any logical sense because bigotry just doesn’t. I feel like that aids the allegory rather than harms it.

    • @breno8119
      @breno8119 9 дней назад

      ​@@wilkeskidd1610 Actually, I would say is the oposite. The cases you say have a pretty logical reason behind to exist.Wich is keeping one group dominant over another, economic advantage and etc. Even HItler directing hate towards jewish had a logic behind it. He created a problem that didn't exist and make people believe on it, just to he could use those people to his own schemes. X-men do not have any of those. A society that accepted the HULK as a superhero, or people who can literally blow up earth as icons, have no reason to fear mutants. Like, why the fantastic four is praised while x-men are not? Why the AVENGERS are praised when X-men are not? It makes no sense. Even if you argue that people hate x-men bacause some mutants are bad, then all people with greater power should be feared and hated since you have any type of vilains that would represent any super hero on the marvel universe.

  • @PhilosophyTube
    @PhilosophyTube 7 лет назад +187

    This was so fun man! Thanks!

  • @finnchapman5435
    @finnchapman5435 7 лет назад +81

    I'd say the same reason a lot of Muslims are hated; the ones that make the news are almost always the bad ones, so the general public associates the word mutant with Magneto or Toad. Since they didn't do their homework on the X-Men, they assume the worst.

    • @spikejoseph5482
      @spikejoseph5482 7 лет назад

      did you mean Mutants, you put Muslims. Freudian slip?

    • @maxpetyt9403
      @maxpetyt9403 7 лет назад +12

      That...actually makes a lot of sense.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 7 лет назад

      +Spike Joseph Allegory

    • @Historyfan476AD
      @Historyfan476AD 6 лет назад

      there a majority in world population.

    • @tsuyuasui7297
      @tsuyuasui7297 6 лет назад +3

      Finn Chapman ikr that’s really a good analogy to use if people see that a mexican kills tons of people they will immediately hate mexicans

  • @garnsey39
    @garnsey39 7 лет назад +239

    the reason mutants will never be excepted is because the xmen books would become just another superhero team

    • @matthistauritzbakker1992
      @matthistauritzbakker1992 7 лет назад +22

      I'm afraid that's true.......

    • @SuperSablei
      @SuperSablei 7 лет назад +19

      I feel like it would be a nice change of pace to see society temporarily accept mutants or something like that.

    • @adrianfrauca8118
      @adrianfrauca8118 7 лет назад +7

      Oh! You mean ACCEPTED!

    • @Jjop017
      @Jjop017 7 лет назад +31

      I also think that major changes are rarely allowed to stick in comics. Every time mutants make progress something has to destroy it to make them feared again to maintain the status quo. It's also why Peter Parker is always imagined as eternal bad luck kid, Hulk never finds peace, etc. It is why other media like cartoons or movies can have better luck. 90s X-Men had progress that was allowed to stick. Senator Kelly realizing not all mutants were bad and when he became president he had a good working relationship with the X-Men and there more people willing to accept mutants and created more of split with how people viewed mutants.

    • @jasoncase9481
      @jasoncase9481 7 лет назад +1

      Exactly and I would hate that. Magneto would see its likely unwise to eradicate a species that doesn't fear him.
      The X-men are meant to be the super hero version of the worst luck they just keep finding the heartbreaking plus huge punch in the gut after a short taste of success and progress.

  • @remylabeau5140
    @remylabeau5140 7 лет назад +135

    This is why I always felt the x-men/ mutants made more sense in their own separate universe. Not that that's something I'd want but it makes sense.

    • @SCOLTON97Archive
      @SCOLTON97Archive 7 лет назад +14

      Likewise. I wish those separate-universe rumors from way back were true.

    • @remylabeau5140
      @remylabeau5140 7 лет назад +14

      +Simon Colton (SCOLTON97) exactly...and as lame as that Sublime reason is to me, it's the only reason that makes any kind of logical sense.

    • @Christ2010Grad
      @Christ2010Grad 4 года назад +7

      Anther reason is because there are so many people apart of that universe that keeping up with them in addition to other heroes like Spiderman, Black Widow and Thor.

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 года назад +1

      Honestly I can see why.

    • @arthurfortes8398
      @arthurfortes8398 3 года назад +1

      Me too.

  • @danieldragotti2608
    @danieldragotti2608 7 лет назад +740

    There hated because marvel doesn't own the movie rights

    • @tomiwa2410
      @tomiwa2410 7 лет назад +6

      Yep

    • @erick-pj4yv
      @erick-pj4yv 7 лет назад +3

      Lol

    • @calebelectric
      @calebelectric 7 лет назад +1

      +TA31 _A that was I said before seeing this video 😹😹😹😹

    • @majorastorm
      @majorastorm 7 лет назад +2

      Pretty much, I was about to type that.

    • @saulw6270
      @saulw6270 7 лет назад +23

      Mutant lives matter

  • @bobthemonitor9697
    @bobthemonitor9697 7 лет назад +191

    Man, I wish real discrimination was actually based on a sentient bacteria/caped werewolf(?).

    • @wewantraw
      @wewantraw 7 лет назад +8

      I used to think he was an evil Beast when I was younger.

    • @AngelaT139
      @AngelaT139 7 лет назад +1

      I'd recommend reading the Sublime story arc! I think you'd be surprised by how Beast-like the bad guy actually is 😉

    • @thekrakenexperiment280
      @thekrakenexperiment280 7 лет назад +4

      Who said it isn't? You don't know!

    • @zaberfang
      @zaberfang 7 лет назад +8

      Discrimination is indeed a natural defensive survival mechanism. :D

    • @bobthemonitor9697
      @bobthemonitor9697 7 лет назад

      You'd better believe it! Are you a fellow Ranter?

  • @adrianfrauca8118
    @adrianfrauca8118 7 лет назад +171

    Philosophy tube guy looks like young Professor X lmao.

  • @pendragon0905
    @pendragon0905 2 года назад +17

    Humans aren't afraid of mutants because of grand reasons like being replaced as a species by mutants or anything else like that: it simply boils down to personal safety and security.
    Due to mutants possessing extraordinary superpowers, from physical powers to energy-based powers, mutants, at least some of them, have the ability to inflict a great amount of harm, psychological, structural, or physical, to many people with little effort. Some examples would be like Trask's description of mutants' capabilities in the movie, Days of Future Past. Someone like Magneto is able to manipulate metal, and is effectively a one-man army capable of bringing whole cities to their knees. Someone like Mystique, on the other hand, could flawlessly pass for powerful leaders like the United States President, and could pass any kind of order she likes, from little things like revised law enforcement policies to large things like nuclear strikes against whole nations.
    Other supers in the Marvel Universe don't face this kind of discrimination or fear because of their backgrounds. Spider-Man is feared by people due to his powers, but people largely are aware that Spider-Man attained his powers in a freak scientific accident, i.e. being bitten by a radioactive spider. The same goes for someone like the Hulk; people fear him, but they don't discriminate against him because he isn't a mutant. Bruce Banner is a victim of a gamma explosion. As for natural-born supers like Thor Odinson, people aren't quite so afraid of him because he's an Asgardian, a citizen of a far-off alien nation which used to be worshipped by humans, particularly the Norse, as guardians of the human race on Earth. Other natural-born supers like inhumans aren't really feared by humans because even though inhumans come from Earth, like humans and mutants, inhumans established their own country independent of other human countries, and so humans tend to not be at risk of harm from inhumans.
    Mutants are natural-born supers who live directly among humans. Not only would mutants adapt the culture of human societies they live in, but also their personal behaviors. Mutants are culturally the same as humans, capable of either goodness or badness. However, when mutants commit acts of goodness or badness, their actions are amplified by the superpowers they possess. Human societies lack the kinds of rules and regulations that Asgardians or inhumans possess for supers. Furthermore, Asgardians and inhumans, along with others like them, possess supers in many aspects of their societies, including supers whose jobs is enforcing law and order. Human societies don't have those kinds of inherent advantages that super nations possess in order to enforce law and order upon people like mutants. Thus, in the X-Men stories, humans are pushed to develop mechanical entities, like the Sentinels, in order to enforce law and order upon mutants.
    The part where humans fail consistently in governing mutants is that humans allow immoral or amoral behavior from humans towards mutants. This is where human nations could learn from societies like the inhuman kingdom of Attilan, the Kingdom of Asgard, or even alien nations, such as Xandar or the Kree Empire. Realistically speaking, special rules and policies would need to be implemented in order to integrate mutants into human society as fully as possible in order for humans and superhumans like mutants can coexist; it's only the appropriate thing to do in order to promote public security and personal safety for all their citizens, both human AND mutant.

  • @TikiSnakes
    @TikiSnakes 7 лет назад +111

    Lots of over-thinking here, Nerdsync. It always felt the explanation was rather simple really.
    From the human perspective, mutants are intrinsically not us. They are the perfect other, people who literally aren't human as we understand it. And they're genuinely dangerous! A young mutant experiences their powers long before they can control them. Rogue put her boyfriend in a coma as a great example, imagine what effect that will have on the normal community of people who also knew the boy? All of the people who knew him now know a kid who was put into a permanent coma because of a mutant.
    And by mutant standards, Rogue's power isn't so dangerous. A lot of them have more minor powers, enough to make them stand out as strange and wrong but others might level buildings or leave scores of bodies in the wake of their first awakenings of power. Through no fault of their own, we know. But from the point of people in the setting, can you really be sure of that?
    And it gets worse. Because anyone can be a mutant. A kid just wakes up one morning and suddenly he's a monster and the neighborhood is on fire. You can't see it coming and you can't always tell who is and isn't one. They're the perfect other but they're also often perfect infiltrators, the ones that aren't obvious. The guy you work with could be one, that man on the bus could be. That kid your little sister hangs out with could one day drain every fluid out of her body leaving her a lifeless husk entirely "by accident".
    And the more powerful of them are several important things. Some are openly criminal, using their powers for their own gain. Some are strongly political, and openly and publically identify as being in opposition to humanity. But all of the most powerful are beyond the ability of government to meaningfully regulate. They don't answer to the law and the law can't make them.
    Superheroes are great because they are rare special people who protect society. Super Villains are terrifying monsters who shake the very walls of civilisation and whom only Superheroes can hope to protect us against.
    But Mutants? Mutants are unexploded bombs hidden amongst the regular population. They are terrorists and spies they could be everywhere and you can never know what they'll do. They could be at your kids school, or tampering with elections behind the scenes with their powers, or plotting a war against humanity. Or they could just be normal, frightened people with a condition they don't understand who you can't really blame for it but who could as a side effect of their nature and with no warning or way to prevent it kill people around them.
    Mutants are genuinely terrifying. It's easy to forget this when your viewpoint is through a mutant superhero team and Professor Xavier's utopian philosophy. But if you can look past that, it's really quite easy to understand the paranoia, the fear and hatred.

    • @Sakraida82
      @Sakraida82 5 лет назад +18

      It's two years later and I am only the 5th to like this comment? THE 5TH!!!! What the hell. This is the perfect answer. The completely sane answer and it fits human nature and makes it not so "Humans who hate mutants oh they must be evil." It gets to that community feeling humans naturally make and the violation. This is a great answer and even though it's been two years I agree fully.

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 года назад +1

      Jonathan Hickman is the X-Men who finally explained that.

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 года назад +6

      Honestly of you're mutant in the Marvel Universe, try to join a Team like the Avengers. Good publicity can go a long way.

    • @damianpatterson9363
      @damianpatterson9363 4 года назад +3

      @@jturner2577 No he didn't. Hickman's version explores only the logical genetic fear of humans becoming extinct as a result of the exponential birth of mutant children. Nowhere in his run has he explored mutant terrorism and I've only seen a single issue of New Mutants where the notion of the unexploded bomb has been tackled.

    • @shawnboahene5231
      @shawnboahene5231 4 года назад +17

      This was a far better answer than anything in this video. As much as I love the Xmen and the mutants as a concept, mutants are terrifying. In Ultimate X-men one kid suddenly activated his mutant powers and ended up killing his entire town. There are mutants with psychic powers that can make you kill yourself and they'll never be prosecuted because no one can prove it.

  • @KStarPR
    @KStarPR Год назад +7

    As a comics outsider, I just think of a panel I saw of Spiderman telling them that people don't hate the X-Men for being mutants, but being a**holes.
    Dunno how true that is, but the image of friendly neighborhood Spiderman swearing up a storm is pretty funny to me.

    • @mcswaggins4123
      @mcswaggins4123 2 месяца назад +1

      That was Spider-Man from Ultimate Marvel. And considering how the heroes of that universe act, he isn't wrong to call them that.

  • @mikemarks6136
    @mikemarks6136 6 лет назад +61

    Tbh if mutants reallys exsisted and my child was one i would love them no matter what and id actively seek out people like professsor x even though im human

    • @SomethingSmellsMichy
      @SomethingSmellsMichy 3 года назад +16

      That's what you say when you aren't taught from everyone close to you from childbirth that mutants are evil.

    • @zainmudassir2964
      @zainmudassir2964 Год назад +1

      ​@@SomethingSmellsMichy good point. hate filled propaganda is poison

  • @tyrusraptor1
    @tyrusraptor1 7 лет назад +6

    One reason why I think mutants are hated is just one simple word. Jealously. Humans see mutants with there extraordinary abilities and think "I cant have that, neither should you, you shouldn't exist" and in making these "cures" making mutants human. Its like taking something away from someone so that you can feel better about what you have.

  • @Xtra_Medium
    @Xtra_Medium 7 лет назад +25

    The answer to your question is found in an acronym used by many of my fellow comic readers PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity).
    The term is used for the railroading of character behavior in order to fit the needs of the author or story. Character needs to be angry and confrontational? Now they are. Need the public to contradict their established reaction to superpowers? Suddenly you have government Super Soldier experiments, science induced monstrosities and bonding with alien matter being described as " the way God intended." Meanwhile, mutations brought about by natural evolution are seen as abominations.

  • @ThePa1riot
    @ThePa1riot 7 лет назад +15

    Well first of all, one of the biggest things the movies have changed in their interpretations (at least until Civil War) is that even the Avengers didn't always have a good standing with the rest of the world. The difference is people might disagree with Captain America, they may fear the Hulk, but they *hate* mutants.
    I think the reason mutants are hated is because of the nature of their powers. For one thing, they are in-born and mostly manifest around puberty where people aren't exactly well balanced and mature and can be potentially ruinous to others and themselves.
    Secondly mutants aren't superheroes by default, neither are they super villains either. Someone like Captain Marvel or Moon Knight is quantifiable, whatever you think of them, you know them by sight and you have a general idea of where they stand and what to expect. As pointed out, mutants are just born that way, and even if you're not particularly prejudiced against them there is a possibility that the person you are talking to or see walk down the street can switch the blood type of your internal organs by thinking about it, possibly without really intending to.
    So mutants are, pardon the pun, an x factor. They aren't "superheroes" they are just any random person or group of people with a superhero's powers, and to some that's a more terrifying notion than the worst of Magneto's genocides. It's not even that "people fear what they don't understand." It's subtly different from that. People learn, they come to understand, and so they can stop being afraid.
    It's more true to say that people fear, what they *can't* understand. Chance, uncertainty, chaos, randomness. And as powerful and wise as he is, even Xavier never knows exactly how a mutant's powers are going to manifest. He can only make it so that the mutant in question doesn't hurt anyone or themselves by giving them practical instruction and an ethical framework.
    The reason the X-Men specifically are hated is because to most they are guilty by association. Sure people may not know how Spidey got his powers so to them he could be a mutant which might contribute to his bad rep, but the X-Men explicitly own the brand of being mutants so even with the costumes and the good deeds, people project their baggage of that x factor on to them.
    And to all you giving the Doylist "because writers" answers, you're a bunch of killjoys.

  • @TK3477
    @TK3477 7 лет назад +24

    Great video.... but...
    There is a flaw. You start the video automatically ASSUMING human can distinguish Mutants from enhanced humans. While some groups like the X-Men announce themselves as mutants, this does not mean that every mutant lets him/her self be known AS a mutant. Then there is he assumption that the mass population KNOWS about how certain characters such as Spider-Man got their powers. It's easy to say "We can stop or create another one" when you know how the first was created but that does not just give Spider-Man a pass from the general public. New Yorkers don't go "That guy? Spider-Man? He's not a mutant. He's cool."
    There is also failing behind the "Sublime" story. While "Sublime" hated mutants because of the threat that they posed to itself, it says nothing about OTHER entities that exist that are immune to it. For example, in Days of Future Past, it's clear Sentinels are the "Ruling class" and they are immune to "Sublime" being non living matter so why did "Sublime" allow that to happen?
    All and all great vid. Keep up the good work. Still putting in that request for a "Black Cat vs Catwoman: Who copied who" video.

    • @alexh4319
      @alexh4319 5 лет назад +5

      Greetings from the future. It’s of interest to note that in the Ultimate Universe people constantly confuse enhanced humans like Spider-Man with Mutants all the time.

    • @blackpowderkun
      @blackpowderkun Год назад

      Probably at one point Spiderman encountered a Sentinel and was not detected to have the X-gene.

  • @yonatanrotbach1722
    @yonatanrotbach1722 7 лет назад +175

    They're hated because of poor inconsistent writing.

    • @alexr6008
      @alexr6008 7 лет назад +48

      If you really think about it, most mutants could say they got their powers from some random accident or its magic. Most people can't tell the difference.

    • @TheVanOvanShow
      @TheVanOvanShow 7 лет назад +6

      +Joshua Giddens basically. pretend aliens gave them it.

    • @CuppaLLX
      @CuppaLLX 7 лет назад +16

      the Tigra mini does this, Tigra's powers come from magic, biggots think she's a mutant, she doesn't care and just kicks their asses anyway

    • @JohnDoe-dh8xc
      @JohnDoe-dh8xc 7 лет назад

      Yes

    • @Pantherblack
      @Pantherblack 6 лет назад +2

      Pretty sure the persecution is the only consistent aspect since 1963.

  • @lordilluminati5836
    @lordilluminati5836 7 лет назад +11

    MARVELS (the graphic novel) really exposes the viewpoint of the common man on the mutants. I adice everyone to read it, it gave me a whole new apreciation of the marvel universe.

  • @justinbaxter7640
    @justinbaxter7640 5 лет назад +15

    People hate mutants simply because mutants are unpredictable and powerful to the point of being gods among men, and people would not feel safe standing near someone that can eradicate everyone he/she knows and loves without effort

    • @amberpillar7214
      @amberpillar7214 3 года назад +4

      Yeah but so can super heroes/Avengers

    • @blazikenblizzard
      @blazikenblizzard 3 года назад +2

      Even non mutants can eradicate people like Hulk

    • @kongthornton780
      @kongthornton780 3 года назад

      @@blazikenblizzard you do realize people hate the hulk right?

    • @blazikenblizzard
      @blazikenblizzard 3 года назад +1

      @@kongthornton780 Maybe but sometimes. They don't seem to mind when there is Avengers around taking care of that one. Even the kids had taken picture with a Hulk in Endgame well that was a joke tho.

  • @calebelectric
    @calebelectric 7 лет назад +48

    In the comics humans hate mutants because they don't want to admit they are better than them and fear they will be the dominant race which I have no problem with it at all.

    • @SymbiSpidey
      @SymbiSpidey 7 лет назад +7

      yup that's the exact reason. And Magneto knows this.

    • @TulipQ
      @TulipQ 7 лет назад +16

      But mutants are not another race.
      Humans and mutants are able to interbreed and random human couples can have mutant children.
      The real reason is because it is part of the x-men concept just like making banter is part of spider man and Deadpool.
      Hence the sublime thing, it is desirable to the writers for mutants to be hated so they are.

    • @ZRovas117
      @ZRovas117 7 лет назад

      But the problem is not all understand this.

    • @SymbiSpidey
      @SymbiSpidey 7 лет назад +1

      nick holmgren But if mutants breed with humans it'll just create more mutants which just furthers human feelings of inadequacy and irrelevance.

    • @calebelectric
      @calebelectric 7 лет назад +2

      You know lately I'm starting to understand Magneto's point of expanding the mutant population just not by world domination, sure the X-men time and time again proved the world that their heroes to the core, sometimes I consider them more heroes than even the like of the Avengers, Deadpool, Defenders or even the Fantastic Four because most of the time they are on the loosing side of public opinion yet they tactics as a team are greater than other superhero teams because they actually rely on each other as a unit.

  • @Jay-fs2nw
    @Jay-fs2nw 7 лет назад +35

    Does that philosopher guy remind anyone else of Jonathan Crane from batman begins?

    • @PhilosophyTube
      @PhilosophyTube 7 лет назад +25

      I'll take that as a compliment: Cillian Murphy has killer cheekbones

    • @insertwittynamehere1411
      @insertwittynamehere1411 7 лет назад

      He does look like scarecrow from BB. Also fun fact about BB, Zack Snyder said if he directed it, he would have batman raped in prison. I need to get out more

    • @lolamarie6639
      @lolamarie6639 7 лет назад +1

      +Annoying Nerd wait, is that really true? If that's the case then what the fuck man!?!

    • @ballsalssashdhhd
      @ballsalssashdhhd 7 лет назад

      Holy moly he does

    • @KookShanty
      @KookShanty 7 лет назад +1

      omfg yes he does

  • @simplyminecraft1000
    @simplyminecraft1000 7 лет назад +46

    It's simple, mutants are hated because they aren't understood! Famous quote : People hate what they don't understand...

    • @daraghokane4236
      @daraghokane4236 7 лет назад +8

      I understand why people are scared they have powers for all your worst fears. A shape shifter can kill and replace your friends a mind control can take away free will a reality warper can tell you everything was an illusion. Americans fear guns why is fearing superpowers more sensible

    • @newboywonder
      @newboywonder 7 лет назад +1

      Agreed to you both. The others (say Avengers) have powers under our watch, gained powers themselves (by human, natural means. enforcing the power of science amd development of society and mutants are a possibility you can't avoid nor revert and you are at risk.), etc. Things we may have advantage or control over naturally. Things we can understand. a minority society is not understood and cliché fear of them rising.

    • @newboywonder
      @newboywonder 7 лет назад

      Agreed to you both. The others (say Avengers) have powers under our watch, gained powers themselves (by human, natural means. enforcing the power of science amd development of society and mutants are a possibility you can't avoid nor revert and you are at risk.), etc. Things we may have advantage or control over naturally. Things we can understand. a minority society is not understood and cliché fear of them rising.

    • @highgrove8545
      @highgrove8545 7 лет назад +6

      Yet. spiderman isn't very hated. few people hate him, a lot love him

    • @joelsasmad
      @joelsasmad 7 лет назад

      +Undead Viking James Jona Jameson disagrees

  • @rogeraceves5828
    @rogeraceves5828 7 лет назад +91

    NERDSYNC hey can you do anything on the 3 jokers theory from DC rebirth?

    • @matthistauritzbakker1992
      @matthistauritzbakker1992 7 лет назад +1

      yes!!!!!

    • @iceslick16
      @iceslick16 7 лет назад +1

      I don't think he can do anything about that because that idea hasn't been expanded upon for 3 months since it came out on DC Rebirth which was in May. Scott likes have evidence or some from proof to talk about set things and so far there isn't any at this time. The idea is still fresh and new.

    • @joshmoran9424
      @joshmoran9424 7 лет назад +1

      please do a video on this

    • @madeline-7748
      @madeline-7748 7 лет назад

      +

    • @affanahmed1371
      @affanahmed1371 7 лет назад +1

      Yeah scot do it

  • @darylifillifill1677
    @darylifillifill1677 7 лет назад +44

    As a Disabled Black Man I know what the X Men Go Threw

    • @babywolf4238
      @babywolf4238 7 лет назад +1

      Djuan Roberts Yes he does.

    • @tsuyuasui7297
      @tsuyuasui7297 6 лет назад

      Darylifill Ifill how

    • @zkincheloe1412
      @zkincheloe1412 5 лет назад +1

      You aren't hunted down and tortured

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 5 лет назад

      *through

    • @HSHDaGo
      @HSHDaGo 5 лет назад +3

      @@zkincheloe1412 Yes, he is - google lynching 2018 and hopefully you'll change your mind

  • @polterghost_
    @polterghost_ 7 лет назад +15

    How are Inhumans treated in comics? I only know that in MCU they are the substitute for mutants and they are in very similiar situation there.

    • @Pantherblack
      @Pantherblack 5 лет назад +10

      Inhumans are generally treated about the same, bit have the benefit of living in their own secret society (first hidden on Earth, then the moon)... at least until Inhumanity. In addition, they're vastly more advanced than much of the Earth's population and so have little to fear in the way of violence.

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 5 лет назад

      polterghost their name alone makes it pretty clear that they're just discount X-men...

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 3 года назад

      @Harper Smith they may have different lore, but narratively they're exactly the same as Mutants: a bunch of super-powered people who are discriminated against because of their nature, there's literally 0 reasons for mutants and inhumans to be separate things as they serve the same narrative function, add to that the fact that no one cares about the Inhumans cause Marvel didn't do anything worthwhile with them, and people are sick of them trying to act like they're the new Xmen when people only care about the real Xmen.

  • @TheFirelordZuzu_
    @TheFirelordZuzu_ 7 лет назад

    I asked this question on an earlier video! So glad to see it being addressed. Thanks Scott ^_^

  • @Angell_Lee
    @Angell_Lee 8 месяцев назад

    WOW, I am so impressed on how well and beautifully you've explained it all! Well done, you are going so far in life xo

  • @rederickfroders1978
    @rederickfroders1978 Год назад +5

    So basically its fear and xenophobia

  • @rasheedqe
    @rasheedqe 7 лет назад +51

    To give a counter argument. Some mutants like Magneto can and have destroyed whole cities. I think it's kind of unfair to the humans to say the humans fear of mutants in unjustified. When every week Magneto or(Zorn) is blowing up a city. Mutants are not like superheroes. A super hero with powers is rare and to some degree can be controlled. You can lock up a guy with powers if he is evil and be reasonable sure another one will not come after him. But mutants are born so it's kinda a 50/50 chance that someone who has the power to blow up the world might just be evil. And a lot of the times evil mutants have been responsible for city to world ending events. Scarlet Witch house of M. Zorn destroying New York city,Magneto plan to reverse the rotation of earth. Every plan of Apocalypse,The Phoenix saga and so on. And that is not even taking into account the mutants who are good but can turn evil in a second and wipe out humanity. Like Professor X,Magneto,Scarlet Witch,Jean grey,Iceman the list could go on. To sum it up mutants are basically walking nukes who could be good or evil. And have sometimes have destroyed whole cities. You can't compare it to real life racism where everyone is human with the same abilities and strengths. For the record The xmen are my favorite group of characters and I hate racism. But what makes The X-men so interesting is the question of how do you control mutant when some have the power to control your mind or blow up a cities. How can you create a society where everyone feels safe with that inherently chaotic element.

    • @randominternetsurfersurfin7595
      @randominternetsurfersurfin7595 7 лет назад +7

      Are we getting man forget the amount of stuff guys like Doctor doom destroyed just for the sake of your argument?

    • @Jjop017
      @Jjop017 7 лет назад +2

      I think it can still be comparable to real life discrimination and still have reasonable fears with people with powers. I believe the majority of mutants mostly have non-destructive powers, while the ones like Magneto, Cyclops, etc. are a very small percent of what the X gene can do. I remember in the old 90s cartoon and even a bit in the movies background mutants have far less destructive powers or in some cases mutations that are minor or based on appearances without giving them super strength or durability. Not sure how true that is with modern X comics, but I think the idea was supposed be like mutants on a whole weren't supposed to be super humans, but the ones we see in X-Men and their enemies are the small percent with kick ass powers. Writers came in created more kick ass mutants with kick ass powers, so the fact got lost and now all of them are defined by as group with cool superpowers.

    • @rasheedqe
      @rasheedqe 7 лет назад +7

      Jjop017 I think it's different because you don't know what power a mutant can be born with. You can get a magneto of a morph. And if you get a magneto there isn't anyone who can stop him from blowing up a city. Plus you have to take in the fact that while America freaked out over some people blowing up one building in real life. Some mutants have taking out a lot more to the point where they threaten the entire planet. No matter what happens in the world we can be pretty sure no one man will ever have the power to destroy a planet.

    • @btonyh5878
      @btonyh5878 7 лет назад

      +rasheedqe The same can be said for humans, though.

    • @rasheedqe
      @rasheedqe 7 лет назад +9

      Blake Harvey Not really good and evil humans will always be born but there will never be a guy who can shoot nukes from his eyes. If a evil human is born then he can be arrested or killed meaning he can be controlled. Not so with mutants. Like if Magneto walked in a police station and killed everyone what could the cops realistically do to stop him nothing. The question becomes how do you control a guy and force him to follow the law when he has the power to nuke earth.

  • @andrewbass5592
    @andrewbass5592 7 лет назад

    Scott fantastic job as always! Although "tales from the comments" and other concepts on your channel are enjoyable, it is always wonderful when you return to, and dissect, the socio-cultural, philosophical, and psychological aspects of comics. Keep it up!

  • @lachlanrussell8283
    @lachlanrussell8283 7 лет назад

    I've been waiting for this video for so long. It has perplexed me

  • @GDSStudios
    @GDSStudios 7 лет назад +143

    The people hate mutants because they see Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants committing their evil acts and automatically assume that all mutants are like this. I think this is a good reflection on modern society, where the presidential nominee of a major political party stereotypes a racial group based on a small group. I think the X-Men comics and movies are a good way for people to see things from the perspective of a discriminated group, when the majority wouldn't ever know what that feels like because they are, well, the majority. If people could relate to the discriminated group then they could see past the stereotype.

    • @PhilosophyTube
      @PhilosophyTube 7 лет назад +32

      But if Magneto had no motivation, would he say and do what he does in the first place?

    • @Pantherblack
      @Pantherblack 6 лет назад +23

      Pretty sure Magneto and the Brotherhood appeared in response to human persecution.

    • @TehConqueror
      @TehConqueror 5 лет назад +1

      #bothsides

    • @danielniemeyer1987
      @danielniemeyer1987 5 лет назад +3

      magneto did not go bad until they talked about putting mutants in camps.

  • @christopherb501
    @christopherb501 Год назад +4

    Why are they hated? Simple: "human" replacement theory.

  • @trevorwenger2966
    @trevorwenger2966 7 лет назад

    ive been waiting for a video on this topic, awesome.

  • @jamesgeorge7002
    @jamesgeorge7002 7 лет назад

    Great video Scott & co!

  • @Eshiay
    @Eshiay 7 лет назад +3

    Also, everyone places stereotypes when traits become associated with each other in the viewer's eye. It doesn't mean there a bad person by thinking a certain way, it just makes them ignorant to the reality of the world. Anyone can be a hero and that was the drive to making characters like Miles, Kamala, Amadeus, etc.

  • @AndrewHarriston
    @AndrewHarriston 7 лет назад +44

    Soooooo...the X-Men universe is basically exactly like America

    • @PhatGirlLuvr68Comix
      @PhatGirlLuvr68Comix 7 лет назад +11

      Yes. Mutants are black people.

    • @Bo_Vado
      @Bo_Vado 7 лет назад +18

      Yes. And professor x and magneto represent Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

    • @ferallion3546
      @ferallion3546 7 лет назад +18

      Stan Lee, the creator of the Xmen, has said in hundred of interviews that he created them to address bigotry in any from. So it is not focusing on one particular group of people but any group can see their own narrative in it.

    • @PhatGirlLuvr68Comix
      @PhatGirlLuvr68Comix 7 лет назад +1

      Feral Lion The X-Men came out during the Civil Rights era, so they were mostly based on black people.

    • @djoetma
      @djoetma 7 лет назад +7

      Well, there was also the Jewish thing... And there's also a history with the native Americans and f.e. the generalization of Asian people during WWII. Looking at the X-Men lure and the type of discrimination, I'd say it's broader than the black people comparison, even though the existence of the civil rights movement did probably did push the idea.

  • @TheRAZORVIDS
    @TheRAZORVIDS 7 лет назад

    Great video! nerdsync is the best comic channel on youtube!

  • @wuzzen97
    @wuzzen97 7 лет назад

    That's actually a question I've asked myself (and others) before, so thanks for the answer(s)/explanation(s)! :D

  • @demetriusmccray1574
    @demetriusmccray1574 7 лет назад +3

    I think they're hated because they don't have the capacity to be halted the way others do. Like Scott said, other heroes get powers from conditions and it's synthesized in one instance. I think the fact that mutants are naturally born to be stronger and better is what scares humanity.

  • @Moscato_Moscato
    @Moscato_Moscato 7 лет назад +164

    Donald Trump is basically a real life Senator Kelly

    • @TheAntiSanta
      @TheAntiSanta 7 лет назад +9

      Senator Kelly has more reasonable policies to deal with Mutants, though.

    • @batzelda1526
      @batzelda1526 7 лет назад +2

      Haha so true

    • @JayBenVA37
      @JayBenVA37 7 лет назад +2

      Senator Kelly was pregadice against humans but unlike Trump he wasn't a moron

    • @JayBenVA37
      @JayBenVA37 7 лет назад

      +JayBenicle I mean against mutants lol I fucked up

    • @danterobles4333
      @danterobles4333 7 лет назад

      The marvel citizens are dumbasses

  • @mattdoesntknowwhattodowith5760
    @mattdoesntknowwhattodowith5760 7 лет назад

    Love Today's video so interesting

  • @theapplecommunity5021
    @theapplecommunity5021 7 лет назад

    This video made me think. Thanks, Scott

  • @Kalashee
    @Kalashee 7 лет назад +10

    I really hope one day someone(s) will come along with the natural ability to challenge what governments perceive as "power". They need to be reminded that not everything can be controlled, and some things don't like others who try to control them. The power to fight an entire nation would be a well-deserved slap-in-the-face reality check.

    • @Kalashee
      @Kalashee 7 лет назад

      ***** Mm, businesses are easy to deal with: If you have the money, you can make em do anything you want.

    • @Kalashee
      @Kalashee 7 лет назад

      ***** True, but are a little bit more easily swayed

    • @guywithdreads
      @guywithdreads 7 лет назад

      One day somebody is gonna develop some nanotechnology that gives you superpowers....

    • @Kalashee
      @Kalashee 7 лет назад

      Poke'mon Trainer Chri$$$ 303 Yeah, but the Gov. will just swoop in and swipe it for military application. No way in hell they'd let citizens have it

    • @Historyfan476AD
      @Historyfan476AD 3 года назад +1

      the people as group have the power to beat government.

  • @KatAspen
    @KatAspen 7 лет назад +24

    The Sublime explanation kinda feels like a buzzkill...

  • @yanderefangirl8317
    @yanderefangirl8317 Месяц назад +2

    I’ve always been annoyed with the lack of human-civilian allies. Why can’t mutants have friends and relatives who are normal humans but who want to help them?!

  • @NathanVentus
    @NathanVentus 7 лет назад

    Great video as always

  • @dariquewarren
    @dariquewarren 7 лет назад +4

    despite sublime I've always thought it was envy. I assumed that humans were envious of these people that had abilities that have them a perceived edge. cue any time a mutant was being used for their powers by a normie. jealousy makes people think they hate which makes it easy to justify the hate by listing all the things you secretly envy.

  • @behindthescenesphotos5133
    @behindthescenesphotos5133 7 лет назад +7

    If they're the next stage in human evolution, why are their powers so uniquely different from each other? Shouldn't they all have the same powers rather than be going in a thousand different directions? Seems more like a series of freak abnormalities (something in the water?) than a natural progression.

    • @hydrolito
      @hydrolito 7 лет назад +2

      It's thought all the plants and animals evolved from a single species. So evolution is going in thousands of directions anyway, just not to the extent of the comic book mutants. Also mutants in story might have been caused by government experiments just that they were all kept secret. They don't actually know why the mutants got their powers in the stories. Did Spider-man get powers from a genetically altered spider or would he have had them anyway? Why didn't gamma bomb kill Bruce Banner was he some kind of mutant? Some things in stories aren't completely explained.

    • @r.r815
      @r.r815 6 лет назад +1

      Behind the Scenes Photos that's like saying if we're all the same species why we don't all have the same blood types

    • @TheeBlackSilhouette
      @TheeBlackSilhouette 4 года назад

      To be fair it is a comic book world...

    • @behindthescenesphotos5133
      @behindthescenesphotos5133 2 года назад

      @@r.r815 There are only eight blood types, some are close enough to be compatible when mixed together. It's not the same as one person being a hairy, blue ape-like creature, another being able to turn into metal, another being able to control the weather (which seems more like magic than mutation, how do genes cause tornadoes?), and so on. Do any mutants share the exact same power set? Not counting ones created in a lab. Evolution is a long, gradual process, not one person suddenly having a unique, fully developed power. I'll excuse "comic logic" and just go along for the ride if something's not meant to be taken seriously, but X-Men wants to be taken seriously.
      Four years, but it took a while to find my way back to this video.

  • @wingmandecrayt8932
    @wingmandecrayt8932 7 лет назад +1

    This is something that I always asked my myself. Thanks for the video Scott. 😃👍👌But then I have the question how the public should know that heroes like Hulk or Spider-Man aren't Mutants but people who had a bad day at the job or at school ?

  • @justcarter6000
    @justcarter6000 7 лет назад

    Awesome vid Scott! Who is your favorite mutant mine might be night crawler

  • @cryofpaine
    @cryofpaine 7 лет назад +5

    Compare superpowers to wealth. Most of the Avengers are people who have succeeded on their own merits. The mutants basically won the lottery. We admire those who have made something of themselves through hard work, but revile those who have gained without doing anything to earn it.

    • @thequestion4818
      @thequestion4818 7 лет назад +3

      lol stupid MCU fanboy. The lottery? merit? Black Widow was part of a larger operation, Iron Man was born a genius and billionaire, Thor is literally a fucking god. The lottery, what are you talking about

    • @cryofpaine
      @cryofpaine 7 лет назад +1

      FaggotAmerican Widow trained to be a super spy. Stark studied to be a super genius. They both got where they are based on the merit of their hard work. The X-Men were handed their powers. Thor is a member of an advanced alien race, so in that case his abilities are based on the merit of the work his civilization did to reach their advanced state. The X-Men however, they didn't do any work. They were just born that way. The equivalent of winning the genetic lotto.
      Think of it like Donald Trump. Those who support him emphasize him as a skilled businessman who got where he is through hard work. Those who oppose him emphasize the fact that he built his empire on the back of his father's work. We like people who succeed, who gain wealth, or superpowers, through their own work. We dislike people who are simply handed their wealth or superpowers.

    • @PissG
      @PissG 7 лет назад +1

      +cryofpaine
      "handed" superpowers??
      If you are truly MCU fanboy you would never understand the pain of unable to control your "mutation" as mutants don't exist in MCU.
      Gambit was abandones by his biological parents simoly for his red irises. Nightcrawler lived his years of life under the heavy burden of accusation as devil offspring for his tail and blue overall. The Morlocks literally lived in the sewers because they can't get a proper job.

    • @cryofpaine
      @cryofpaine 7 лет назад

      rob140892 I've collected every issue of X-Men since Magneto Rex, so yes, I'm familiar with the X-Men. But we're not talking about the point of view of the mutants. The question is, why does the general public within the Marvel universe hate mutants when they like other superheroes like the Avengers? So your response has nothing to do with the question. Yes, they suffer. That doesn't change the public's perception that these are people who have tremendous power simply handed to them through a genetic twist of fate.
      Now, if you're arguing that people hate them because of the way some of them look, it's a fair point, and some do. However, for every Morlock or Nightcrawler, there's a Jean Grey or Scott Summers, a Kitty Pryde or a James Howlett. The "ordinary" looking ones. The ones that can pass themselves off as regular humans, who have no visible sign of being a mutant. Yes, there's the hatred of people who look different that corresponds to racism, which is one of the things they were originally meant to represent. But that doesn't explain the hatred of all mutants. If it's not just because they look different, and it's not just because they have powers (which I grant, both of those do play a factor for some of what they receive, but not all), what else is there?
      Again, we come back to success (or powers) through work vs. success (or power) through dumb luck. The Steve Jobs-es and Larry Page-es, vs. the Paris Hilton-s and Donald Trump-s. We like people who make their own success, their own power, through hard work, and we dislike those who have their success, or power, handed to them.

    • @PissG
      @PissG 7 лет назад

      +cryofpaine
      We cannot forget that not every mutant want their powers.
      at certain point, Marie/Rogue and Warren/Angel wished they were "normal" and turned to a scientist who claimed that he can disable mutant gene. Turned out that it was Apocalypse's manipulation, Rogue was lucky to leave early while Warren unknowingly accept the terms and became Apocalypse's slave as Archanel

  • @kaitlynncristina6175
    @kaitlynncristina6175 7 лет назад +3

    A quote I encountered a lot either reading or watching X-men is that "People fear what they don't understand". This fits with the explanation that Philosophy Tube offers because when he talks about "the unruly" because people don't understand mutant power nor do they know the limitations of said powers. This challenges and scares the general population which is why, I personally think, people hate the X-Men, because they simply don't understand them

  • @kimpalonen1978
    @kimpalonen1978 3 года назад

    The suggestion that a sentient bacteria is to blame for prejudice gives me certain hope for the future, as if people can be cured of their prejudice. To an extent it's evidently not true for the time being, but in time the idea and Professor X gives me hope that there's a future ahead in which we might openly speak of our social constructs as a means of helping each other out rather than repressing and vitctimizing "the others".

  • @dinesculucian5723
    @dinesculucian5723 7 лет назад

    I know that it may be a long shot, but is there any way you can make an episode about comic book huge enterprises/corporations like Wayne Enterprizes, Lexcorp and Stark Enterprises, Queen Industries, etc and what do they exactley do, since they are mostly hinted in comics....

  • @nathanbennett8400
    @nathanbennett8400 3 года назад +6

    Magneto is always right. Cyclops turned more aggressive and rebel leader, and even Xavier sees that coexisting is possible, but by force, by becoming a nation, with the current Krakoa series. In the end, Magneto is right

  • @Reviver-of-Buns
    @Reviver-of-Buns 7 лет назад +15

    But that's just a theory

  • @brianrebmann676
    @brianrebmann676 7 лет назад

    great video like always really interesting subject as well. Your videos are always clever and very well researched. Apart from being infected with the sublime bacteria, I think the hatred of mutants can also stem from social pressure and the use of mass media to drive home a point.

  • @KwinQwanKwon
    @KwinQwanKwon 7 лет назад

    Holy shit! Thanks Scott, I never understood that new x-men comic about Sublime, until this video...

  • @CandyCoated7779
    @CandyCoated7779 7 лет назад +4

    tbh the real answer is stan lee didn't think it thru

  • @DavidJoh
    @DavidJoh 7 лет назад +35

    Well I come from a time before this "Sublime" nonsense, so my thinking boiled down to this:
    If Magneto hadn't broken the story of the existence of mutants by trying to do things like overthrow governments and steal nukes on behalf of a mutantkind that never asked him to
    and
    If Professor Xavier hadn't called mutants "Homo Superior" and formed an all-mutant militia instead of, say, setting up a school for super-powered youths that admitted people with unusual abilities regardless of whether they were born with them, or had a unexpected encounter with radioactive spiders or extradimensional hooha
    Then people would not have looked at them and said "Bring me my brown pants!"

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 5 лет назад

      that true but the film version how the mutants were discover.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel 5 лет назад +4

      Yes they would have. Some people don't need an excuse to hate people that don't look or act the way they do.

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 года назад

      @@JaelinBezel They would have, sure but not the near universal amount they seem to.

  • @ActionHankBeard
    @ActionHankBeard 7 лет назад +2

    The creation of mutants and the X-Men were inspired by the civil rights struggle. In the same way that other marvel titles reflect real world events (Captain America and WW2, Hulk and nuclear war, fantastic four and space travel etc). This is why the ideologies of Professor X and Magneto mirror those of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, albeit more radical in the case of Magneto. So humans hatred for mutants mirrors that of white hatred for black people during civil rights. Mutants are hated because they are generally powerful and unpredictable. Not easily controlled or understood. Today this idea has grown to include not just black people but all groups of oppressed or marginalized people.

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 Год назад

    Lore of Why Are the X-MEN Hated?? (ft. Philosophy Tube) || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync momentum 100

  • @raggarharry9765
    @raggarharry9765 7 лет назад +7

    How come some super heroes dont hate mutants when the bacteria dude made humans hate mutants?

    • @-F-N-
      @-F-N- 7 лет назад +6

      maybe there will/consciousness is too strong to be controlled or something idk

    • @pious83
      @pious83 7 лет назад +2

      Some do however, Johnny Storm is a noted bigot among the top tier heroes. That is also played on when he hypocritically dates Inhumans, Skrulls etc

  • @oscarclarke2653
    @oscarclarke2653 4 года назад +5

    In my head canon, for some strange reason, the human brain evolved to inherently recognize the X gene, and have a primal sense of fear and hate towards it.
    This way, any normal human can identify a mutant, this ability varies (some mutants are easily more recognizible) which explains why some mutants can go under the radar.

  • @KamisamanoOtaku
    @KamisamanoOtaku 7 лет назад +1

    +NerdSync
    One possible explanation for the popularity of the X-Men and the "mutant" concept is that so many people feel like an outsider in some way, that it made them incredibly easy to identify with by paradoxically being unique and yet part of the masses at the same time. So... wouldn't that *also* explain the hatred for mutants? This is the sense of persecution many (if not most) of us feel; some of us just from time to time, some of us all the time. It is completely separate from whether or not we are actually being persecuted, mind you.
    Really consider this in light of how the X-Men seemed to really target all that teenage angst. If the X-Men were allowed to truly grow up... then we'd see what happened after people got used to the idea. Like how eventually most of us grow up and realize the world doesn't revolve around us and we are neither the heroes nor villains of life.

  • @EmptyMan000
    @EmptyMan000 7 лет назад +2

    People generally hate mutants because when they decide to throw a tantrum, thousands become endangered and/or killed, mass destruction occurs, and fear grows out of control. Let's make a list of crap to happen because of dangerous mutants: The Onslaught event, The Inferno event, Dark Phoenix Event, House of M world-changing event, the world domination under Cyclops and his Phoenix Force cronies, destructive survival of the fittest crusades organized by Apocalypse, and various other destruction and slaughter caused by extremist mutants like Magneto leaving cities and landmarks across the world in ruins and lots of dead people with pissed off loved ones. If you can live through all that and not hate or dislike mutants in general if only a little, then you're probably deluding yourself, just don't care about who dies or gets destroyed in comics as long as it's not people you like, or just have the patience that surpasses millions.
    All the while, the X-Men change their partnerships like square dancers and no one can tell the "good mutants" from the "bad mutants" anymore, causing everyone to assume all mutants are ticking time bombs of death, destruction, and pain.They have no checks and no restrictions. They go where they please and do what they want.
    Sure, mutants are just a subspecies of human. Still human beings with a gene that makes them different Not much different from being an albino, but they have no balances on what power they could have and the worst part is: You never know who will be one next. It could be some baby in Germany born with mind control powers or some kid in New York who can kill people just by being around them. Think about that, and say the hatred isn't a bit understandable. Horrible, but understandable.

    • @michealyoutube4911
      @michealyoutube4911 7 лет назад +2

      EmptyMan000 I think at least some of the stories you mention was because of the humans taking it to far.

  • @MrSuperDecimal
    @MrSuperDecimal 7 лет назад +5

    Because Fox own the film rights, not Marvel.

    • @wdcain1
      @wdcain1 7 лет назад

      No joke. I'm digging the new Inhumans comic but I am rolling my eyes over how Marvel is using the X-Men phases like "people hate what they do not understand" when the 90's X cartoons have used that exact same dialogue.

  • @Citizen_Kade
    @Citizen_Kade 7 лет назад +3

    I'm only 4 minutes in and this already sound super applicable to racial tensions we see in the real world today

    • @PhilosophyTube
      @PhilosophyTube 7 лет назад

      You would like the other half of the collab a lot then!

    • @Citizen_Kade
      @Citizen_Kade 7 лет назад

      +Philosophy Tube I did! I ended up subscribing because of it

  • @FancyGeeks
    @FancyGeeks 7 лет назад

    Great video.

  • @SwordInTheStorm
    @SwordInTheStorm 6 лет назад

    Great video,I never put all that sublime stuff together myself,I would say a lot of people are just pissed they dont have cool powers and look great in spandex.

  • @rosawernblad4777
    @rosawernblad4777 7 лет назад +3

    X-men was actually written as a metaphor for homophobia...

  • @EtzEchad
    @EtzEchad 7 лет назад +38

    Absolutely incorrect. Humans hate mutants because the script writers wrote it that way. They wrote it that way because they wanted to provide a conflict in the series.

    • @samuelshaw7730
      @samuelshaw7730 7 лет назад +32

      Well, obviously. But that's not a very fun conversation, is it? Looking at it that way, we might as well never discuss anything in fiction because the answer would always be "the writer wrote it that way".

    • @EtzEchad
      @EtzEchad 7 лет назад +1

      +Samuel Shaw
      You are correct of course. I was semi-trolling there. :) Sorry about that - I know that arguing about details is one of the joys of the hobby.
      The particular reason the writers made mutants an oppressed minority was because they wanted to talk about bigotry in society. This was a very laudable motivation and really is an indication that comics are a valuable art form and aren't just "kids stuff."

    • @dlee645
      @dlee645 7 лет назад +2

      Exactly. It is convenient and really doesn't make any sense. Suppose you are a regular human in the Marvel universe. Unless you know the origins of every super powered person, how do you know if they were born that way? How does the average person on the street know whether Spider-Man was born that way or was bitten by a radioactive spider or was the subject of some experiment? How does Joe Schmoe know that Wolverine wasn't bitten by a radioactive wolverine?

    • @alexr6008
      @alexr6008 7 лет назад +1

      +David Messer Why do mutants identify as mutants. If people hate because of the way you got that power instead of the fact that you have that power, then why can't most mutants be like storm or Angel. They could just say that there powers are magic or the result of some freak accident. If most non-mutant avengers could pretend that all their powers and abilities could be from the x-gene and not from genetics, tech, skill, or sorcery. As long as you don't have a DNA test or get scanned with a mutant radar most people would believe you..

    • @EtzEchad
      @EtzEchad 7 лет назад

      +TheBlockyBird
      Yes, but I only do that because of the writers though. :)

  • @CountBifford
    @CountBifford 7 лет назад +2

    The real answer is that anti-mutant bigotry was not a major theme of the X-Men comics until Chris Claremont played it up in the 1970s. During the late 1980s and early 1990s Marvel actually tried to play it down and turn the X-Men into a more typical superhero team (they fought aliens a lot). The X-Men cartoon and the first X-Men movie then made the bigotry a central and overriding theme again, and they could do this partly because other Marvel characters had little or no presence in their continuities (the X-Men would occasionally appear in the Spider-Man cartoon, but not vice versa). These were so popular that Marvel decided to play up the bigotry angle in the books again, especially in their Ultimate line of comics.

    • @Gootothesecond
      @Gootothesecond 7 лет назад

      Hasn't Stan Lee gone on record as it being an allegory for the Civil Rights Movement?

    • @CountBifford
      @CountBifford 7 лет назад +1

      Possibly. I've read some old X-Men comics from the 1960s and while there are stories about mutants being harassed as "freaks" I don't find the systematic persecution we see in later decades (Sentinels rounding up mutants, registration acts, etc.). It's a question of degree, really.
      At some point, if you take the persecution angle too far then it would be better to split off the mutants from the rest of the Marvel U, like what has been done with the movies (due to film rights issues). Most people can't tell the difference between Spider-Man and Wolverine.

    • @Gootothesecond
      @Gootothesecond 7 лет назад +1

      CountBifford You could chalk that up to evolution of story due to them later exploring different aspects but I have to go with Stan on this on. I will say that it is a major plot hole how no one can differentiate between a mutant or a mutate but they just accept that people like Hulk and Spider-Man aren't mutants.

  • @garbles1970
    @garbles1970 7 лет назад

    Great video

  • @agsdragon5475
    @agsdragon5475 3 года назад +3

    Solution do the same thing as my hero academia

  • @ghouljoex8744
    @ghouljoex8744 7 лет назад +3

    why are the marvel executives trying to kill off the x men franchise and replace them the inhumans (it makes me resent the inhumans.).sad times

    • @adimchimmaodor1789
      @adimchimmaodor1789 7 лет назад

      Marvel doesn't own the rights to the X-men anymore.

    • @ghouljoex8744
      @ghouljoex8744 7 лет назад

      The movie rights so why kill the comics is not right the comics dont advertise the movies. The movies advertise the dook. Its asshat thinking and the inhumans are a poor substitute

    • @azozazoz2131
      @azozazoz2131 7 лет назад

      They'll be allways better than Inhumans / "Nuhumans"/ Whateverhumans

    • @zaru9374
      @zaru9374 5 лет назад

      ghouljoe x The reason is because Marvel cares TOO much about their movies. Plus Disney doesn't want to promote Fox's movies which is why they're absent from the a lot of Disney produced media but thank God that Marvel is again paying attention to their best Superhero team of all time.

  • @ChibaMitsurugi19792
    @ChibaMitsurugi19792 7 лет назад +1

    I think there could be three factors that may cause hatred toward the mutants and they are jealousy, because the mutants are born with different powers, special abilities, or other attributes someone may wish they could possess, the lack of open-mindedness to get to know any mutant, i.e, judging them before knowing what an individual mutant is like and what they have gone through in their various lives (something the most ignorant of humankind are generally good at), and, as was mentioned fear. Fear of the unknown has probably always spawned hatred towards people who are different to those in seats of power.

  • @CapnSmite
    @CapnSmite 7 лет назад

    Holy shit...this video helped me do something I've never done before: understand a Grant Morrison high concept. Kudos!

  • @gOnz3r
    @gOnz3r 7 лет назад +5

    Thanks Philosopher guy. I believed you more and more as you hit one SJW buzzword after another.

    • @PhilosophyTube
      @PhilosophyTube 7 лет назад +4

      In academia they're called "technical terms"

    • @jaymz010
      @jaymz010 7 лет назад +2

      Ironic, since SocialJusticeWarrior is a buzzword in itself

    • @maddockemerson4603
      @maddockemerson4603 7 лет назад +1

      "Buzzword" is such a buzzword u guyz. I don't intend to marginalize the perpetual systemic victimization of minority identities, but the globalization of the status quo in society continues to objectify the disenfranchised, only to the extent of propagating diversity and equality through equitable statutes.
      Seems like a WIN-WIN to me.

    • @NoConsequenc3
      @NoConsequenc3 7 лет назад

      Translation of Maddock: I dont like this thing so you're racist

    • @NoConsequenc3
      @NoConsequenc3 7 лет назад

      Maddock Emerson
      Nice job not getting an incredibly obvious joke

  • @1sdani
    @1sdani 7 лет назад +4

    So, Trump challenges power as Mutants challenge power?

  • @danielshmoeli1616
    @danielshmoeli1616 7 лет назад

    about your last video (about the killing joke) i think that the thing that the joker stabs batmam with in the middle of the fight Contained some of the joker's venom and that is why batman laughs at the end

  • @caliken10
    @caliken10 4 года назад +2

    The X-Men frequently side with Magneto when they're not fighting against him.

  • @dylanblack3635
    @dylanblack3635 7 лет назад +2

    To quote Drake "Because Comics"

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 7 лет назад

    This theory in my opinion should be a talked about everywhere

  • @MarMotorbiker
    @MarMotorbiker 7 лет назад +1

    I thought about it too. But this theory is wrong because: the commom people often doesn't know the "secret origin " of the super hero, thefore they can't say who is a mutant and who is not. For example: Spiderman, Daredevil, Miss Marvel, they could easily be mutants. The answer is: Marvel treats the mutant almost as if they were part of another marvel universe.

  • @kellyloganme
    @kellyloganme 5 лет назад

    I think any discussion of "why" in comics had to be limited to, or take specific account of, the particular group of writers involved. There is no consistency in comics, even in the most basic supposed facts(see historical explanations of Cyclops' powers, for example). Perhaps more than other most other fiction, consistency and world canon bows to narrative necessity at the drop of a writer's hat, so trying to make overall judgements drawing from different writer's interpretations has inherent flaws. It's also worth noting that the primary feature of comics is the need for conflict to escalate to 'comic book level' violence, so subtleties can be exaggerated or simply ignored. I think if you want to do more than have a bar discussion on 'What If' concepts, it is more important to look at a particular writer's work and their intents (which tend to not be very complex) - for example, mutants were created in the Marvel universe to display the civil rights issues that were in people's minds at the time. Therefore, the reason that people hate mutants is that people hated blacks. Perhaps the more telling question is, "why don't we know why people hate mutants in the narrative?" This to me points to the greater question of why so much of the USA is still unable and/or unwilling to grasp the institutional racism that is a fundamental part of our day to day lives.

  • @bonebaron4157
    @bonebaron4157 7 лет назад

    Scott do a video about the crossroads

  • @crunch1757
    @crunch1757 7 лет назад

    another actual misconception well done

  • @killmeplease1525
    @killmeplease1525 7 лет назад

    You guys have to do something to do with rebirth! It's awesome and there are so many opportunities for videos

  • @sdm47
    @sdm47 4 года назад +2

    You know what’d be great?
    If we got a movie that was basically Zootopia except the predators are replaced with the X-men

  • @meanjean7548
    @meanjean7548 7 лет назад

    I love your videos

  • @Scouthedog1
    @Scouthedog1 7 лет назад

    2:15 its in my nightmare

  • @billw5897
    @billw5897 7 лет назад +1

    Spider-man was actually hated or was at least polarizing to the citizens of New York for a really long time and, if my memory is correct, actually was confused for a mutant a couple of times including being checked out by the x-men to be ultimately rejected. I think the difference in perception isn't only between mutants and all other heroes, as characters like Spider-man and the Hulk prove by, for the most part, only having a niche popularity in the comics, like the x-men do among the more educated and enlightened people. The difference actually comes with the public image of accountability to regular humans.
    People love Captain America. He worked with Shield, the Avengers, the government, all of which were created by, or in order to help regular people against massive threats. He was created by the people to protect the American way, and therefore has a very public and trusted image because regular people made him and were asking for him and to a certain extent, know him. The Fantastic Four stumbled upon their fantastic powers by trying to advance the field of science for the betterment of man-kind and have a very, perhaps the most, public image. Iron-man was a "hired bodyguard" for a long time. He was accountable to the regular guy, Tony Stark. Granted a super rich regular guy, but someone people saw as on the same playing field nonetheless and they knew who Tony Stark was, if not Iron-man.
    When you look at heroes like the X-men, and to a somewhat lesser extent Spider-man and the Hulk, who have endured hatred by the majority of people, the common thread seems to be that they are accountable to no one but the interests that they have chosen (even if it is for the common good), they maintain a very private existence making it difficult for people to know who they really as a vigilante/costumed hero, and the powers that they got were natural or accidents which, unlike the Fantastic Four, did not seem to be earned through working for the benefit or mankind. People don't trust what isn't for them and all of these characters, especially mutants, are not for them. Spider-man doesn't work for people but rather answers to an ethical responsibility, do all the good that is in your power or you're indirectly doing harm, which people can't influence. The Hulk tries to be isolated but sometimes intervenes when he can't avoid someone being hurt, at least in the classic depiction of the character. The X-men work for the good of Mutant kind. Even if it's benefiting humanity, they are trying to mend relationships with humans for the goal of peaceful mutant-human coexistence. There aren't many mutants who are not concerned with homo-superior even when they're helping regular homo-sapiens. Of course, they should be concerned because, as a mutant, they are a reflection of the larger mutant community, but this very thought makes people see them as "not one of us" which means that the goals might not be mutually beneficial at some point in which regular people will have no control.
    As a side note, the only reason Daredevil isn't hated is most likely because he operates in an area of great desperation that has run out of options and takes on a rampant, blatantly criminal element that isn't nearly as spectacular as Spider-man's. He takes on the people's problems. He's kind of like a Dirty Harry situation in Hell's kitchen. It's not ideal, it's not clean, but he saves lives and people know they need him. That, and his superpowers aren't obviously and outwardly spectacular.
    Anyway, not that all of the stuff in the video doesn't factor into it but I think it all comes back to the old phrase of "People fear what they do not understand," but more so, they hate what's not theirs. People freak out over Black Lives Matter, a group that rose up out of a clear inequality and in response to systemic injustice. Most people have a fine time dealing with police, but a certain group with a vibrant and unique culture of their own, separate from the mainstream culture, are harmed by the status quo. "We're fine with the way it is now. Why do you hate police for protecting us?" People freak out over the LGBT community, which has a very separate culture that rarely crosses over into the mainstream. The majority doesn't own the culture, so they hate it. It's like when people playing devil's advocate, or just being contrarian or flat out racist, say that they should be able to use the N-word because it's been reclaimed by the community that it harmed and doesn't have the same meaning anymore. That community now owns that new meaning of the word and people outside it hate that they can't claim ownership of the culture of that community.
    Jeez, that got out of hand. Sorry for the essay.
    TL;DR People have no control/ownership/influence over something, even if it's good or unrelated to them, they'll hate it.

  • @sinci7
    @sinci7 7 лет назад

    Damn it Scott! I was so close to mentioning Sublime in the comments to win my no-prize and then you had to go and mention him just as I was typing it up :@