The Dark Phoenix Saga | Marvel TL;DR
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2018
- It’s not every day that the Phoenix Force decides to inhabit your body! This week on Marvel TL;DR, Jean Grey is fighting for her life, fighting for love, and fighting… the X-Men?? Who will survive this roller-coaster ride of cosmic powers and emotions?
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Well, that was depressingly adorable.
Like a cutesy anime that starts off innocent and then a character just dies violently out of nowhere.
oof
like Happy Tree Friends
Rwby season 1 in a nutshell
Puella Magi Madoka Magica
Evangelion!!!
Is just me or this was better then the actual Dark Phoenix movie?
It is.
By miles
100%
That's not hard.
The Dark Phoenix Saga in the Comics was actually better than the Dark Phoenix Movie
People: "Oh my God! Jean is so beautiful!"
Me *An intellectual*: 1:53
H o h o h o Y e s
Charles is a player
Charles Xavier is best girl.
this killed me nice eye XD
No one talks about the bald best boi
Too bad the Dark Phoenix film didn't stay faithful to the comics. I love this storyline WAY MORE!!!
It did a little. Not bit by bit
Faithful or not it was a disaster
Kaiser Zer0, are you talking about the quality of the movie?
Mcu intervened it was supposed to be a movie in space in which dark phoenix would have shown up in the end... which would lead to next movie
They couldn't, the hellfire club was already defeated and the rest were killed along with azazel off screen in days of future past
This animation seems a mix between western cartoons and anime
You Mode Kind of like those youtube animation channels
Yeah. And it looks beautiful.
We call it teen titans
@K0I F1SH It's not even Calarts style.
Is todays regular art style from Manu internet ilustrtaors.
There are variaciones about where they do more realistic or 'deformed' bit bascally the sale idea. Idon't day the viendo feels cheap or bad made, but It surpresise my that it feels marvel's departament of amimation necesites todays.
I fell I could totally do that same animation with dome animatic by miself.
*anime jean with Star Fire's voice*
Wait, that's illegal-
??? That's not Starefire's voice or her actress.
@@miniwolfsbane2407 it's a statement :/
Her voice is similar to Starfire's voice
Wait
@@irmalilianlomas6503 It does sound like Starfire.
This style represents right the original personality of Jean, kind and beatyful, childish cuteness but strong willing, the artist behind this animation truly knows the character 👌
so a kawaii waifu
@@crawlingboy being a waifu while being a loli
Lol childish cuteness? Jean has always been a lady and a mature one. This is def the opposite of Jean
Yes>!
@@resulnaki you guys only know the moviess, didn't you? :/
"But Wolverine survives..."
Because of course he does
well he does have a crazy regeneration
Wolverine DIED in his own series about it, and Survived, even Disintegrated and Regened from a drop of blood(with some Power-up help).
Literally my exact thoughts!
Nah, don't - of course - him... if you trykky know Wolvie then it's really obvious
Just like he came out unscathed from house of m
Did they just turn Jean into best x-girl?
...I think they did. "Make Jean Grey cool" was the goal of the Phoenix character, after all.
Jean was always up there. That was the whole point of the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix arcs...
Was she not already?
Even yaoi fangirl
The Phoenix force is cool. Jean grey without it is barely cool.
The animation style for this is really cute and charming tbh
No one :
Literally no one :
Marvel : *Japanizing Beam*
Rikazuki 09 I’m not complaining
It looked pretty good, though.
They actually did that for the comics, it was called marvel mangaverse.
@@seirramoon388 really? Cool.
@@IR-Fan Oh yeah btw, black cat kisses mary jane who is spiderman's sidekick
TL;DR Jean can't stop dying and making Cyclops depressed
To be fair Scott bounced back pretty quick after...…..with the worst possible woman but still.
Ummh....
she only died oooooonnce ?
@@xm_heecka.laddder.job_mx5962 oh no..
She dies a lot throughout the comics. Like, a LOT.
@@malcolmjenkins3585 Didn’t her tombstone at one point read “Here lies Jean Grey. She died. A Lot.”?
Edit: Nope, I was mixing up Jean Grey and Buffy Summers (“She Saved The World. A Lot.”). Jean’s tombstone said “She Will Rise Again.” Might as well have said “Here Lies Jean Grey ...For Now.”
@@dagonofthedepths I always though Emma was better for Scott anyway. She was stable and supportive of him; Jean just hurt him over and over.
Why does this look so good but their tv shows aren't?
Because people actually watch this series.
Its just a couple shorts
I don't know I blame low budgets and lazy writing
@@niarthunder8555 i am talking about the current shows.
Because they aren't Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes or Spectacular Spider-Man. Just a theory...
Cyclops. Says he'll never find anyone like Jean, then immediately marries her clone.
Because it's her clone and hence, like Jean xDD
Reasonably certain that she wasn't a clone at the time and the artist just failed to make her look differently. (Some artists are terrible at that, especially female characters.)
So when they made her a clone they were just admitting that they thought Paul Smith sucked.
@@lucaskhall6794 Honestly, I like Maddie way better than I ever have Jean Grey. Even Goblin Queen Maddie. She's awesome.
@@Bl00dwerK Madelyne was interesting, and Jean Grey was never given a good writer. But I honestly think the Jean Grey in the new X-Men Red run is far better than both her earlier versions and Madelyne combined.
Scott confirmed to be a weaboo. 😋
I hope the artist got payed a lot because their art is amazing! I loved it! Please do more like that please!
99th like, he has his own channel, Noah Sterling. It's nice.
@@backup-qg6nb Bruh Noah is the narrator, not the artist. lmao
Fatine Aouiniya did all of this animation and artwork by herself and she does freelance art work on Upwork, hire her for your art everybody!
MARVEL.
HIRE THIS WOMAN TO LEAD A SERIES.
HECK, MAKE A NEW X-MEN SERIES WITH HER AT THE HELM OF ART DIRECTION.
HELL YEAH
@@waxcutter9813 Fatine Aouinya. She was a university student when she animated this, but couldn't do anything else because she was busy. Apparently she's doing more art and animation now after graduating.
Ew no
For a Wolverine and the X-Men Series Sequel?
Woman? Noah Sterling is a girl? @.@
I like how they're not pretending that the X-Men don't exist anymore
It's because Disney bought Fox. It seems that we get influx of X-Men stuff especially Phoenix saga to link that movie to MCU perhaps?
I guess it's cuz they're kinda old and boring now lol
@@DrAliha nah Marvel's just been petty as hell and trying to throw X-Men into a grave (but now that they got them film rights back they're like “lol guys we were just kidding")
This is by far the cutest version of Jean Grey. Marvel should do a whole X-Men show in this style.
Yes please.
2:08
"And they lose badly,
just so,
so badly"
When someone gets destroyed on Smash
The narrator just foreshadow the box office of dark phoenix movie
@@rodimusunicronus2089 lol
Can this just be how Jean always looks? Even if it's a dark, gritty hyper-realistic painted art style, I still want tl;dr adorable Jean.
Scott: Do you know how hard it is to get a new girlfriend when your eyes shoot death beams?
Emma Frost: Oh, Scott. Don't be so dramatic...
Jean Grey: *Stares in Emma Frost*
Emma Frost, Madelyn Pryor, that one Brunette chick from another comic, Mystique for a while
OH MY GOD SO TRUE
@@cagedcoco1681 he never dated Mystique. Psylocke tried to seduce him a few times though
I dunno about staring *in* anyone.
Scott makes me jealous with Jean Grey, Emma and Maddie Pryor
And I just got depressed with my girl!
I have to admit, this was a pretty good recap, but they skipped over the part where Jean Grey *dies* before becoming the Phoenix. Just a *minor* detail.
Bulbasaur001 they missed a lot more
On the moon she "committed suicide" by a laser canon.
But that’s a retcon. It’s not
In the the original dark phoenix saga.
Bulbasaur001 3-minute TL:DR is never enough you know?
@Kevin McDougall All the "Jean grey in an energy cocoon" thing is bullshit, just a dumb retcon
My favourite part of this was the Xavier-Lilandra flirt
*Oh, Charles, you know how I love a good old fashion loop-hole* was my favourite part, lol.
"Wtf is this"
Me at that part
Xavier uses flirt
It was super effected against lilandra
Therapist: Handsome Xavier isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.
Handsome Xavier:
He didn’t ask about that!?!
I always felt bad for Jean. im like c'mon can't she have a semi-ok ending without getting killed?
But she’s not aloud to die because the Phoenix Force won’t let her soooo... It all works out? Kind of?
@@blaze9135 bruh it still counts as dying cuz she can no longer interact with people...
@@itz_koki i mean she won't have a permanent death though cuz Phoenix is immortal & a bringer of life, death & rebirth so everytime she dies the entity inside her heals her & revives her from the white hot room.
At least she usually comes back.
Albin Baiju white hotroom? whats that
I WAN TO SEE MORE OF THIS ARTIST'S JEAN LIKE WOW
I want to see more charles xavier
Fatine Aouiniya did all of this animation and artwork by herself and she does freelance art work on Upwork, hire her for your art everybody
The #1 comic story that should NEVER have been retconned.
What do you mean?
@@Dracobyte I'm an old timey comic reader, and read the series when it first came out. Originally, Jean Grey WAS Phoenix; it was just a name she took for herself, and she was responsible for everything Dark Phoenix did. It's why sacrificing herself to save everyone from her dark side had such emotional resonance., and the X-Men comic got a lot of great character moments not only form her death, but from everyone reacting to it and remembering it. It's what really catapulted that run of X-Men from merely good to classic status.
But some fan boy creators like John Byrne whined about her dying despite the fact that it was the only thing that had ever made an otherwise bland character interesting. So he concocted the retcon that Jean Grey was never Phoenix, that it was a cosmic entity that created an imposter Jean Grey to absolve her of wrongdoing. The 'real' Jean Grey was found in a stasis pod, having never actually been the Phoenix. Except that robbed the earlier story of all its emotional and dramatic weight, and nullified all that great character development on the part of everyone grieving for her.
It would be like in Return of the Jedi Darth Vader going 'just kidding!' about being Luke's father.
IKR , they keep retconning it, best version is having Phoenix as part of Jean Grey's powers in my own opinion, in fact this was the original story of the Phoenix Saga as a whole.
I remember they brought it back up again when they split the Phoenix power into five people
@@plucas1 no. The Phoenix was a cosmic entity before Jean Grey went bad and turned into the dark Phoenix.
I could be wrong, but I think you're confusing the Phoenix being its own entity with the Phoenix creating a copy of Jean Grey body and jeans body still being in a cocoon healing. That part about her body being cloned years later, but the Phoenix Saga class president the Phoenix Force as its own entity
So much talk about Jean when Xavier is clearly the beauty pageant here 1:53
A sad ending but a truly heroic gesture...
0:22 “Makes her one of the most powerful and destructive beings in the universe”
And cutest, apparently
Man, anime Jean has super high waifu potential.
Well there is a x men anime
I'm sad I didn't get to see Rogue all waifud up
@@nhk403 she was already like that in the 90s comics but yaeh it would have been nice seeing her look cute
Weebs unite
@@codenameaki6614 WEEB KAGAKU SEKAI ICHI
This version of Jean is way too cute.
Like so cute it should be illegal.
EDIT: Oh snap 1k likes, that's a first.
EDIT:Oh Snappity Snap 2k?!
Ditto
I know right!?
Right
Do you know how hard it is to get a new girlfriend when your eyes shoot death beams?
Jean is my waifu
The designs are so simple yet so good, i would watch a full x-men series with this style
This animation is 3000 times better that Dark Phoenix movie.
Sorry but it's true.
That's A Fact. Only Idiots Would Think That The Movie is Better.
Stfu
Don’t apologize dark Phoenix movie was the worst marvel film ever
Any interpetion of The Dark Phoniex is better than the movie
@@mediatorraptor3349 even The Last Stand?
My Suggetions for next TL;DR are:
*Secret Wars (80's Original)*
*Daredevil: Born Again*
*X-Men: Days of the Future Past*
*Secret Invasion*
*The Siege*
*Venomverse*
*Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)*
*The Death of Wolverine*
*The Death of Captain Mar-Vell (80's Original)*
And The Death Of Captain Marvel
@@knightofkorbin888 He edited it after my comment lol
But venomverse is trash
Doctorlatino DJ W!ll the siege too
Next Tldr:
Civil War
Spiderman (Miles Morales)
Fantastic Four
Old Man Logan
Oh my god this animation style is incredible! Loving these TL;DRs!
What are you doing here, Vsauce!
Vscauce Puppet v.s. Kermit the frog for the best RUclips commenter title
No it's not..
Man. I am seeing you everywhere. Are you gonna be the next Justin Y?
@@errorinthecode6200 have no idea what your referencing? And we probably watch similar channels if we're here, so...
so no one gonna talk how beautiful this art is man artists should have more credits i mean look at the art style and how it's a beautifully mix between western cartoons and anime art style and don't let me even begin on the animation and how smooth it is
Oh, yes. You know how I love a good old fashioned loophole XDD.
An X-men show with this animation would be a hit. Hands down.
Yes, yes it would, but we still have to make sure the writing is good enough.
It doesn't suit anyone except the females...
We already have an X-Men animated series. But one like this couldn't hurt
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a wrathful destroyer of worlds, that's what I always say.*
*This statement has been adjusted to match the Marvel Universe power creep.
The ending of this reminded me of the Dark Phoenix Saga moment in the cartoon where Scott and Jean are the last two left and Cyclops is convinced that she is cured and can use the power of her mind to fight the Phoenix so things can be ok again. Jean quite poignantly tells Cyclops "Maybe I can control it now but how can I go moment to moment, every second of every day never slipping?" Cyclops had no answer for that so she ran for the path of the Shi'ar's giant death beam at the end of the ship so they could blow her up and it worked. I swear that cartoon could bring you to tears once per episode it was so good.
Similar to the Original-They were on the Blue Area of the Moon, and she used a Hidden Weapon to commit suicide. Jean blew-through her psychic circuit breakers when Scott got cut-down. She knew the Power(PRE Phoenix Force retcon) inevitably led from Jean to Phoenix to Dark Phoenix.
And then something something Clones, something something Goblin Queen.
Something about a cocoon, and Demons, and.... yeah.
X-Men.
The quality of this video is better than any show Disney/Marvel managed to make since 2012 - Present
Fake news
Ducktales is a pretty solid show.
So you obviously missed DuckTales, Gravity Falls, and Star Vs. the Forces of Evil.
@@DA_BOID
You do realise he is surely talking about Marvel shows produced by Disney right?
@@bobbymaycry9748
I am fairly certain you misunderstood. He is obviously talking about the Marvel shows Disney makes, not any TV show Disney OR Marvel made (cause quite honestly, that would also include Daredevil, Gravity Falls etc which is obviously not what he meant)
This is the best art ever featured by this series. Please make it permanent. And Marvel please hire Fatine Aouiniya!
True! To think this was made by one person is crazy!
"MY WIFE IS EITHER ALL POWERFUL, EVIL OR DEAD! I CAN'T TAKE IT!" - Cyclops
"I CAN'T CONTROL IT, DARK PHEANIX/ X-FACTOR, LLLLLLLLL-MAXIMUM"
...You know what? As ridiculous as this is...They're including the X-Men again! So that's a good sign in my book!
didn't Disney buy Fox?
Kommentor Postker yup and since fox owns both the x-men and the fantastic four we may see them again in marvel
@@josephochoa9861 that was for the Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still has rights to the comic materials. That's why there's a Marvel logo on the Fox X-Men movies.
Back then they didnt
How to make people watch your videos:
Show cute girl in thumbnail
Edit:wow thanks for 1.6k likes
that´s me XD
Hey! As long as it worked (and not click-baited lol)
& have a really cool art style
I admit that I clicked because of her, that's one super cute Jean
*cough* *cough* Madoka Magika *cough*
Their design for Jean Grey is cute and at 2:30 I know how Cyclops feels. I can’t stare at a girl without resulting in them bursting into flames.
Yeah I wan't a full series with these
your animation is way too cute. I love how you drew all the Characters and jean was Extra Cute.
Guys.......just read the comic. Trust me, it will be worth it.
Especially Marvels by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross.
What a beautify beautiful book.
Definitely...worth it!!!!
We go to comicstorian
@@nicwinsteadart5330 which only gives you a quarter of the story.
AllMight 99 reading in 2018? Whats that
R.I.P Stan Lee
1922 - 2018
0* - 2018
Stan Lee
FOREVER
Rip Adam West
Somewhat - Somewhat
@@meavyhetalderzweitegrafvon8240 do the bat dance
Bold of you to assume he can die
1:14 Someone give this pilot a medal for attempting to save the universe
The Phoenix Saga is a classic example of old school crazy comics but this episode was fantastically animated
2:28 he got like 3 new girlfriends right after that
really beside emma frostwho?
He got married and had a baby boy too.
Also they aren't "death" beams, they are "punch" beams
He got a blondie girlfriend that i forgotten the name.
He got madelyne prior.
He got Emma Frost.
He also dated Colleen Wing.
Good summation of the original story. Folks need to remember that Jean was supposed to stay dead, because Jim Shooter insisted that once John Byrne drew in the genocide bit (that Claremont originally DID NOT include), ethically, the character had to die. It was TEN YEARS before Bob Layton devised a way to redeem the Jean Grey character by making the Phoenix force a separate entity. Everything since then has been new writers constantly regurgitating the Dark Phoenix saga in some form to the point that the original story almost seems like an alternate universe story.
Claremont originally wanted Jean to lose her powers, and then be tempted to gain them back, but refuse them - a story later repurposed for Storm.
Nitpick: It was six years, not ten.
As great that the original story was I would like to see a What if type mini series where the saga ended the way Claremont intended, thus leading the X Men into a whole lot of moral dilemmas whereby they defend Jean from various aliens who would have been out for her blood, in order to avenge the mass murders that she committed as the Dark Phoenix, of whom they would have every moral right to do so, only for the X Men to be like ' Jean is one of us and while we are all sorry about what happened to all of you poor aliens, you aren't going to be allowed to get any kind of justice while we are around, so you all just go home, if you still have one that is, and face the facts that terrible things happen to people all the time even to those who don't deserve it'
The aliens could be like 'well your comrade destroyed a planet full of asparagus people, and robbed loads of families of their fathers and husbands, families who are all in mourning for their loved ones protectors and providers plus there were also a lots of cadets and female crew members of that battle ship thus she killed tons of women and children too. We are mad and we want to get even'.
The aliens could then be defeated in their attempt to wipe out the entire population of Earth, then the mutant race would be even more hated and feared than ever before thanks to the fact that Earth would become the target of multiple alien attacks, whereby the arguments listed above would be exchanged over and over to all of the various alien armies and hit men sent out to see that justice is done for the universe, only for it to be forever denied to them
In fact I feel that this would be an interesting direction for the regular comics to have taken back in the day as I'm sure that Claremont would have had found it to be a source of many a moral dilemma for the characters to engage in, as I feel that it would have given the X Men, and also their various associated teams and solo heroes at that time, a position whereby the reader's would have been sympathetic towards people who could be seen as villains, not anti heroes you understand as they at that time were clearly presented as heroes who played rough and who broadened a lot over their dark pasts, yet it was made very clear that they were the good guys, but rather villains of whom were not only the headliners of their book, but who also did good deeds, such as saving the world for people who hate and fear them from various menaces, but who also in their very act of evil, that is saving the Earth from aliens who only want justice, in fact benefited the human race and likewise all of the wonderful characters the all know and love, by having a world that they can all their own, the price of that being, justice being denied for beings who are just as valid them for justice.
I think that this would be a very good idea for a mini series to explore, I know that this idea may have been flogged to death in fan fiction, but as it stands I'm yet to see it in official media from Marvel.
P.S. sorry if I rambled on a bit, as it happens I am somewhat tired as in is midnight where I am typing this thus I am very tired in fact I am just going to go to bed now.
PPS sorry about the typos
Leomon: dies in every anime appearance
Zero (Megaman X series and his own series): dies like... 9 times.
Jean Grey: **Yakkity Sax plays while Jean explodes like fireworks and revives every ten seconds**
Me: *flips table*
@@christopherlockery9629 ... never think it that way...
that story would be so dark and deppresing, it would be like: X-Men against the world (and maybe beyond)
I believe it was Kurt Busiek who actually came up with the Phoenix retcon - making the Phoenix Force a separate entity that just copied Jean's form and memories - he just told his idea to Bob Layton and Layton wrote it into his comic (with credit to Busiek).
Clicked despite having read the story cuz Jean was cute in the thumbnail, was not disappointed. Awesome art and animation 👍
If you want to know the animator's name, it's Fatine Aouiniya. Her Instagram is @transmissiondream.
Veeery clever, Marvel.... subtly pushing your streaming service by giving people and kids a small synopsis of some your stories. But that was a very family friendly way of describing the Dark Phoenix saga that still did a good job summarizing it. Bravo. Now I want to see what they do with the House of M story line.
All saying "anime" when this is a cartoon style animation
Ikr
DevilMan D Anime is usually meant as Japanese Animation instead of just animation
Is like voltron or avatar animation
tremorock samething
This is a cartoon style 100% not a anime style
1:53 Oh no.. why do i keep replaying this?
Jean is freaking adorable as hell. (And she looks like Lily Potter)
Jean Grey is waifu material. Everyone looks amazing!
Bingo Bango begone Waifu enthusiast!
I don't know what waifu or tl dr even mean
@Mr. Al WAIFU is simply WIFE for WEEB (People who watch Japan Animation and want to fall in love with Female character)
oof
Bingo Bingo Have you even tried to ask Scott about this?
This animation is awesome... 90's cartoon also did justice... But the last stand ruined everything...
And Dark Phoenix will do an even greater work ruining everything... oh, yeah, don't worry, Disney and Marvel Studios will make sure that it never see the light of day.
I heard that after some internal conflict when the making of The Last Stand they lost the director (or writer) and the FOX executive in charge of the movie changed it completely out of spite.
coladict that’s really depressing :(
This video's animator name is Fatine Aouniya. Her Instagram is @transmissiondream
I misspell her last name. It's Aouiniya.
better than the new movie
I can confirm. Just watched it an hour or so ago
Nah, this is more bandwagon - hate the new - than actually true
1:29 Messy hair Jean is best Jean.
The Dark Phoenix Saga also contains my all time favorite bit of villain trash-talk. "In the name of the love we shared, I will weep over your grave!"
1:30 I'm sowwy about the whole planet destroying thing. -Jean on the inside
Ya sorry I slaughtered an entire planet and burnt you guys to a crisp but I'm sowwy yeah
My favorite comic ever 💛😔
I love you Jean Grey. You’re a great hero.
Can we take a while to appreciate how awesome is this animation's style, the Humor of it, and the visuals?! Totally love these!!!
Read the comics. This one's a masterpiece.
This was way better than I was expecting, I'm gonna go watch more Marvel TL;DR's, keep them coming!
One of my favorite moments in this story is the reverse fastball special. Wolvie knows he can't kill Jean because he already tried. On the moon, the lighter gravity lets him throw Colossus at her. He doesn't kill her, but knocks some sense into her for a moment.
0:16 Space Adventures... It’s an adventure in Space!
“I understood that reference”
This is the best interpretation of the Dark Phoenix Saga and it still misses some important details.
Like?
Love this! The comic book story of phoenix force/dark phoenix is so complex that it maybe deserving of a movie trilogy of itself, I mean it was extended upon the Phoenix Resurrection story. Just my opinion. But we'll see on June next year if the second dark phoenix movie adaptation is worth it.
1:49 *B-B-BAKA*
I love Kira Buckland as Jean Grey and Lilandra! This is definitely Truly THE Best of the Best Combination of Cartoon and Anime! I can definitely get used to this!
That must the cutest Jean Grey ever. Kudos!
My dad always told me about this saga
2:20
I just hate it when that happens
Yeah, its so irritating waking up in the morning and blasting the whole town with my mighty solar space-god birdy, so annoying.
Am I the only one who loves this anime-esque art style?
This is already way more epic than the live-action film.
The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force of life and death, not yet full potential of Jean Grey.
you obviously didnt read the phoenix saga and like all the other fakes only know about the retcon verse. get a job, buy the original comics. facts are facts. the whole "phoenix force" thing didnt exist until AFTER jean was found by the avengers in a cocoon at the bottom of jamaica bay
@@serenityq26 loool. U obviously didn't saw my profile name. Have a nice day rudie
According to Claremont and the comics, it wasn't originally a cosmic force of fire and life. Instead, it was just the full potential of Jean Grey. It was retconned later down the line from the force of life and death to a force of cosmic annihilation.
@@phoenixshadow6633 i am aware of it.😄😄
Completely agree. Not sure where this new retcon is coming from? In the original comics the Phoenix Force offered Jean her “heart’s desire” in order to help the X-men. It was a separate entity, not the her “full potential.”
If they somehow manage to turn this convoluted story into a good movie I'll be impressed
Thank you both for condensing this story and for doing Jean more justice than marvel themselves does her most the time.
This animation feels like a hybrid of comic style and anime. I love it
Wow. Most adaptations of the Dark Phoenix saga called the group of people trying to brainwash Jean Gray ”the Inner Circle.” I never would have thought that Disney would have it in them to say the actual original name of the group.
Well technically their both correct, IIRC. The Inner Circle is the elite members of the Hellfire club. The Queens and Kings if you will.
I enjoy the unspoken rule that Scott literally needs Jean if he wants to hold back the optic blasts for just a moment. So yeah, it's kind of hard to get a girlfriend like Jean who's literally perfect.
My only bones is Charles helped put those psychic barriers into place as he has with many members. And not one movie storyline mentions that the Phoenix was actually good for a while and served the purpose or protecting the crystal being it’s guardian before she went rogue and starting doing her own thing. I would love to see this original twist take place in the MCU 🤞🏽
She looks like a Disney Princess turned Superhero here. Love it!
Hmm, Interesting. In my memory, Dark Phoenix wasn't that much cute.
*wasn't that cute
From my point of view, the JEDI aren't that much cu---
Waitaminute.
@@XellosNi
Well then you are lost !
I really love this video and the Dark Phoenix storyline in general, so thank you for making!
This makes me want a Dark Phoenix anime right now.
"I....AM..... PHOENIX" -X-Men TAS
Looked up Fatine Aouiniya's work, was not disappointed!
feat of awesomeness her drawing making jean look adorable hahaha
Selene wasn’t in the Hellfire Club at the time and the Kree agent on the moon did not fight alongside the Imperial Guard (although he did intend to sabotage the X-men he ended up fighting the skrull agent the whole time).
Despite that this is a better Dark Phoenix adaptation than either movie attempt.
How does this video attempt to explain the origins of the Phoenix Saga without mentioning that the Phoenix force is it's own entity?
because that's retcon stuff that comes up in later stories, not the saga itself, i think :p
@@MisterTTG explain how, please
@@MisterTTG as far as I know, in the original Phoenix Saga, the Phoenix was its own entity
The retcon part is when they made the argument that Gene was never possessed by the Phoenix in that the Phoenix had made a clone of jeans body
The retcon was never that the Phoenix force is its own Cosmic entity
@@13579hee As it was originally written Phoenix was just the ultimate expression of Jeans powers as a psi. The radiation consumed her body and she momentarily became a being of pure thought before reforming herself and calling herself Phoenix to mark her death by "fire" and resurrection. It was all just Jean in the original saga. Then towards the end of that original saga Chris Claremont started alluding to the fact that Jean may have been tapping into an ancient power source, however there was no indication of a separate and sentient entity. There was no Phoenix Force at that point. Just Jean Grey as Phoenix. That changed with the 1986 retcon in Fantastic Four #286. However more recent Phoenix stories have tried to blur the lines between the two different perspectives with Grant Morrisons New Xmen saying that it was in Jean Greys genetics to tap into the Phoenix Force and that a Phoenix is the ultimate mutation possible. Phoenix Endsong ran with this by highlighting that Jean Grey was a special host and that her and the Force are one. Claremonts End of Greys storyline had the Shiar come after Rachel Grey and kill Jeans family because of their genetic connection to the Force. Then in the recent Phoenix Resurrection title the Phoenix confirms hosts have differing power levels with Jean being the most poweful and influential host ever. So whilst the 1986 retcon created the Phoenix Force as a sperate entity responsible for the Phoenix Saga, recent continuity has established that its Jeans mutant ability to have Phoenix potential.
@@dawudjibreel6075 wow you explained a whole LOT here. As far as I remember the thing about Phoenix being just Jean's own capabilities wasn't actually published and the retcon happened before, and the latest stories try to bring the original idea back making Jean and the Phoenix being one and the same. The thing about the genetic part I interpreted like, Rachel inherited a little part of the Phoenix Force, since Jean and the Phoenix and one and the same. And I also thought that a Phoenix was the highest stage of mutation one can archieve in the original idea of a mutation, and than they retcon it to what we got today.
So considering the original idea and the latest stories idea, is it fair to consider Jean a Mutant? Like people say she's the most powerful Omega level, but then we have two beyond Omega (Franklin and Matthew) Mutants, can't Jean be considered a Beyond Omega too, or the fact that she's the Phoenix puts her in a completely different scale far beyond anything a mortal will be able to archieve?🤔
a dark story packed with an adorable animations. love it !
Ahww sooo cute on 1:29! I want a wallpaper for PC! :D awesome idea @MarvelEntertainment - Great video!
You could screen shot it.
Can we just appreciate the artist who drew this wonderful artwork of Jean Grey?
This art-style is really wonderful, *_This is really good art._*
OMG THIS IS AMAZING I've been re-watching the 90s cartoon and just looking for takes on the series and came across this because I wanted to see what people thought of the Dark Phoenix saga. Love it.