Hungary's Football Fans & Geopolitics
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The Carpathian Brigade are one of Europe's most notorious Ultras. The group who are infamous for wearing black t-shirts, were behind the chanting during Euro 2020 games in Budapest that resulted in UEFA ordering the Hungarian FA to play two home matches behind closed doors.
But who are the group and what do they stand for? Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua and written by James Montague.
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#europe #euro2024 #hungary
Bring back the Tifo podcast for the Euros and Copa America.
As soon as The Athletic bought them i knew that show had its days numbered
@@12thMandalorianwhy?
@@Dozbik they were far too anarchic to exist in an organisation ultimately owned by the New York Times. Such a shame, it was the best podcast in football.
because they don’t speak english
Greater Hungary is such a poor taste concept, they oppressed the Slovaks for how long? and then try to claim that the land of Slovakia was "taken" from them. The ethnic magyars cant both live in towns outside of Hungary and want that land to become part of Hungary... maybe have some respect for your neighbours
So this group is nationalist
Our flags will rise 🏳🌈🏳⚧🏳🌈🏳⚧🏳🌈🏳⚧🏳🌈🏳⚧
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😂😂😂😂😂
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Your? What is your? What are you? You don't even know what you are.
And our flags rose 🇩🇪🏳⚧🏳🌈🇩🇪🏳⚧🏳🌈🇩🇪🏳⚧🏳🌈🇩🇪🏳⚧🏳🌈
It's a good day when Tifo football drops a video
The last true TIFO we have. It will be a sad sad day when they rebrand to The Athletic.
@@xomifred and it is coming
@@xomifred Why would they do that? This is their brand.
@@AM2K2 athletic owns them, Tifo Football videos are not profitable. They rebranded Tifo IRL to Athletic FC and soon will either dissolve Tifo or rebrand it with new content.
Thre 1:31 thre also one group in israel, more crazy then them and also is very right wing
Called - la familla Jerusalem
4:04 Croatia doesn’t have any “ethnic hungarian football teams”, but one of the main Croatian top flight teams Nk Osijek is under hungarian ownership much like Man City is under UAE ownership but not a “UAE minority club in England”
Same for Newcastle and PSG.
In last video they didn't mention Torcida as oldest group in Europe but some Italians from like 20 years later. This videos are getting worse.
These guys make West Ham and Millwall fans look upper class.
Ultranarionalists are rarelly „working class”, they are from lower-middle class that doesn’t take pride in class struggle, but is constantly frustrated they are not on top of the hierarchy, because of supposed anti national „conspiracy”, obviously lead by liberal politics. Actual working class clubs still win
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Stop putting us in the same bracket as Millwall. They are a breed of their own
Ooooh yeah they’re so scary dressing in black. Different class
@@24hr_rugby_jake Theyre nutcase anti-lgbt fascists man, its not their kit that is the problem lol
Orban - radical right wing? Lol!
he litterally is
@@pellejohansen I am hungarian, I live in Hungary, Orban is not even a right wing politician...
@@gabortolnai984stop being obtuse
@@gabortolnai984then how did he get an invite to CPAC? 😂😂😂😂
Ferencvaros, Ujpest and MTK Budapest were also need to be discussed as well.
But another clubs outside HU like DAC, Sepsi and you mentioned TSK as well. It might be an interesting for HU If they do something interesed.
MTK 😂 They have a group of 30 at home, 0 away. Aside that they are fans, not ultras or hools
MTK XD
By mentioning MTK, you perfectly prove that you have no idea about the world of Hungarian Ultra world.
MTK have history but no fans which is tbh sad
Nice english, peasant
Not me reading it as "The Carpathian Bridge" because of the incorrect thumbnail 🤦♂️
Thre 1:31 thre also one group in israel, m
Not less crazy then them and also is very right wing
Called - la familla Jerusalem
we used to get 3 videos per week, now we just get one if we are lucky... what's going on TIFO??
The Athletic own them
The channel is dying and they are running out of content. Athletic is also a failure of a company and they own tifo brand now. Overall another good channel turned into a profit only machine. Soon they will stop altogether. These videos are no longer profitable.
1.6mil subscribers and the channel just feels dead.
we just have to wait for the core to get out of their contracts, just business lads, hopefully they go to Draftkingsnetwork so they have their freedom like previous! CHEERS!
They just released a book...probably been busy with that
As a Hungarian supporter I have to point out that this video is extremely misleading. It's true, that some of our fanbase are quite radical hooligans, but most of the Hungarian supporters are not like that. How can you say that Hungarian supporters are racist just because a very small group of them shouted at England's players? Apart from that, travelling to the Euros is something which is not cheap at all, and I can assure you that the problematic part of our fanbase can not even afford visiting football games. Only the middle and the upper part of the society can afford it. I must say it out loudly that you are generalizing heavily, and most of our fanbase are simple supporters, not hooligans.
This video can get in row of the western smear campaigns that target Hungary for "whatever reason".....its funny how he highlight some aspects of the hungarian fanbase, meanwhile other countries, (wink-wink hello England) fanbase are far worse than Hungary.
@@Stalker-hk8lc bro Hungary is a part of "THE WEST"
@@ClaudiisJulianus7 *sigh.....we are a looked down small eastern european counry in the eye of western governments/media. -so my choose of wording is accurate in that regard. "THE WEST" is not consider us as equals despitewe are its members.
@@Stalker-hk8lc there are valid reasons for "western media" To do so.
@@ClaudiisJulianus7 I agree there are valid reasons, however i give 20-25 years from now and those valid reasons will be forgotten if not forgiven, when the ethnic/religious composition of western europe will irreversibly change. The west can preach its values from an ivory tower, meanwhile their society will eat itself up.
Hi, guy with hungarian roots here. There was once a good article with the hungarian Pancho stadium and hungarian politics behind it and I wanted to show it to my father, but I can't find it anymore. Can you post please the name of the article?
Alternatively you could try the HITC Sevens video "The Ultimate Dark Horses at Euro 2024" which may fulfill your Hungarian politics and football needs.
Hi i love your you country
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Thre 1:31 thre also one group in israel, more crazy then them and also is very right wing
Called - la familla Jerusalem
Basiacally u guys think we are racists after 2 dudes did smtnh kay.
But for england its fine to boo natiaonal anthems of others inclueding Hungarian one so they got trashed 4-0.
Even in the intro you could not pin anything significant on Hungarian Ultras. That speaks volumes. All the rest is your politics.
As a Hungarian you said some thing that are really incorrect. First of all the “took the knee” sitauiton.. We Hungarians dont feel that the colonisation and racial inquality is our fault. We never colonisated nobody unlike England, Spain even Germany (Namibia). We never buy or sell slaves, and we never gave works for slaves.
We have a cultural rule that every Hungarian follow mostly: “ You should just take a knee in front of the God and your wife”. Take a knee in Hungarian culture is a very sensitive topic. It is very irritating when people in Minnesota, Seattle, London, and UEFA wants deny your culture in your own land. We wont ask forgivnes about a thing that we didnt even do (colonisation).
Them second one: “Orban has colonised the Hungarian football”. Yes he had, but he did a nice job about it. (Lot of people dont like Orban here, he does lot of stupid and bad thing).
The third one: “Rampage in Bucharest”. We did a rampage because the Romanians wanted to throw Molotov cocktails to our fan train, and we showed them we are not cowards like them.
The 4th one: “Hungarians outside of modern Hungarian borders”. If you ask a Hungarian about support Hungarians outside of the borders they want support for them. Székelys (Hungarians in Romania) have gone lot of bad things under Ceausescu (Romanian Communist dictator). He even wanted to demolish the Hungarian villages. After the communism ended in Romania, the new “democratic” goverment try to beat Hungarians in mostly Hungarian cities in Romania ( Marosvásárhely ot Tagru Mures) because we are taking back Transylvania (Plot twist: we didnt). We called this even to “Fekete Március” aka “Black March”. So the Székelys suffered years or decades to being a Hungarian, so the minimum is we support them for them sacrefices. So this isnt Orbans idea.
Lot of West European dont undertand what the international derby is. In Western Europe the international fans dont fight against each other. Max in the 60’s when England played against West Germany. But a Hungarian-Romanian derby is something else. This derby simular to Boca Juniors - River Plate, Albania-Serbia, Celtic-Rangers, Olimpiakos-PAOK, Crna Zvezda - Partizan.
As Slovak I support hungarian point of view
Kneeling and lgbtxyz+- is ridiculous
Well said! But of course in the west you say that and you loose your job.. And the they preach about Hungary being a dictatorship.
Hajrá Magyarország , Hajrá Magyarok ! a többi nem számít ki milyen propaganda videót készít .... ;)
You guys know nothing in the chat :D. The chanel canmake good videos, but you guys know nothing about hungary. So many errors in this video, inaccuracy.....
An interesting, but quitw superficial video. The CB is the most prominent supporting group, and because of that people associate them with every idiot who shows an offensive sign, but they are actually actively trying to avoid these conflicts, due to the serious consequencies from UEFA. They are also very closely cooperaring with the Hungarian Football Association. They get some benefits, but the price is to cut back on the offensive chants etc. Anybody who goes to the home matches of Hungary knows the situation was much much worse 15-20 years ago. This week we even played againt Israel and the match went without any scandal or antisemitic chants - something which was unimaginable in the early 2000s .
Dear Tifo ! I was in Dublin a week ago in Aviva stadium as a Hungarian fan. Our seats were 4 rows above the Carpathian Brigade and if you would like im more than happy to translate all the chants were sang by the Hungarian fans lead by the Carpathian Brigade. I can assure you there were not even a swear word was sang out by the lead singer. If you need, feel free to ask those Irish children seat roughly 5 yards away from the Hungarian fans without any security barrier if they felt threatehed at all, or ask those Irish teenagers roughly 10 of them who joined the Hungarian fans at half time and spent whole 2 nd half singing with the Carpathian Brigade. Your video is based on assumptions normally made by main stream media not real research. Hope you guys make a better job next time. Best Regards.
They are actually pretty nice people if not pushed by western agendas...the team always thanks for their support at the end of each game, they have a good relationship overall with everybody, they dont like to be told what to stand for and what is correct , its an old Hungarian trait for all the injustice that has been done to us over the centuries. Respect them and they will show respect back. And yes. Im Hungarian.
More like Typo Football in the thumbnail. What's a bridgade?
You can't blame them after you see and learn what Communism done to their people. Both extremes are wrong.
Respect to Hungary from Albania! 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
Tifo, you're spreading Hungarofobia and untruths! They are called Carpathian Brigade because they also want to address Hungarians living in neighbouring countries. They are welcome and can support the Hungarian national team if they wish to. They also not dressing in black, but wearing black T-shirts with different messages written on it. Mostly or maybe all with Hungarian patriotic slogans. And while they think they are the hardest Hungarian supporters, they are not hooligans mostly, but patriotic supporters just like other countries also have similar groups. You should be ashamed of yourself and should apologize to the Hungarians you have offended with this video!!!
Don't know about you but I actually remember how well they played and what an amazing atmosphere their fans created.
I also remember how UEFA punished the whole crowd of 60,000 for the racist chants of a few idiots.
Wait till you see what's going on in Serbia when it comes to football and politics
This video is not objective, it only shows one side of the story. It magnifies a group's mistakes and doesn't talk about the amount of work they put into building a community or how much they help their community members. The examples they use to support their argument sound more precisely like this: there were racist manifestations in the sector of the Carpathian Brigade, which they try to fight against openly, but there are always a few idiots within a group, it is a mistake to stigmatize an entire group because of a few idiots.
I am not their member, nor will I be, but too many things have been mixed up here, not very thorough work, with untrue connections.
Nice word salad
Anti lgbt is one thing and anti lgbt exposing to children waaaay before maturity is whole different thing.. Don't mix up the two please
Based Hungary
Orban is not Radical.
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Being Hungarian comes with great pride and great shame as well
Mostly great pride
there is nothing to be ashamed.
😂 What is that great shame u mean? I can't feel.
@@88szisz the fascism, racism, antisemitism and homophobia. And Fidesz
Shame, what shame?
The map of Europe you have in video is wrong. Kosovo is Serbia!
To be clear Orban talked about double standards not because we got a punishment, the problem that every fckn team is being r*cist or doing bad thing and they never get a closed stadium ban because of it
England booing every anthem in the euros
England being r*cist against Saka and Rashford after the final shoot out
Italy fans being r*cist
Romanian fans openly chanting anti Serbian songs
There is sooo much problems with football hooligans but it seems like mostly just Hungary got punished if they do something bad
White English people booing othe white nations anthems is not racism. It's tribalism or nationalism, or discrimination, or hate, but not racism.
In Euro, you call this the football problems. In Copa America, we call it tuesday.
Very problematic framing by Tifo. The Hungarian ultras are characterised as “controversial yet respected”, ignoring the clear fact that these are simply Fascist hooligans. The Trianon myth serves to underline the Fascist victim identity and has legitimised incredible crimes in the past, such as the very brutal Hungarian holocaust
It's problematic that you can't be a father to your children.
What myth? The effects of the treaty is still felt in todays Hungary. Also there are fascist amongst their ranks for sure but the core of the group are really nice people who make sure before every match to warn any Hungarian fan to not cause any trouble.
I hope the antifascists are ready for them and make sure they're not allowed to spread their fascism in our streets and in our stadiums
It's problematic that you are a predictable soft-headed liberal. A truly damaging disease of the mind.
@@czoborarpithey are fascist stop being delusional, why else this is anti lgbt, anti black and irredentist rhetoric
Let's just say that sane Hungarians (young Hungarians) dislike Fidesz and everything it stands for. We thank them for a football renaissance but that's it.
As for the ultras. That's what they are. Ultras. They represent themselves and not the population at large. Although it is commendable what a presence they can have. But at what cost.
so you want to let in illegal immigrants ?
Speak for yourself and young doesn’t equate to sane 🤡
@@julesD0222 True, I'm generalising a bit
So what is the problem with this?
uefa and germany attacked hungary first. the so called anti lgbt law is absolutely correct, why should children be indocitrinated into social theories about gender? this was the norm in the west only a few years ago. attacking hungary over this was hysterical and ridiculous.
But but... LeT's KeEp PolItIcS oUt Of FoOtBaLl
Yup, that goes for both "sides "
Hey Tifo Football, I’d love to see a video explaining how Monaco plays in ligue 1 despite being a country
come on you can figure that out
Can you cover Kanes shock deal with Sketchers? How much he was on at Nike and how much he’s making now with Sketchers. I couldn’t believe it when I heard and many people are the same
God I miss the days of the old Tifo.
Incorrect pronunciation of Carpathian pretty annoying. For someone who narrates for a living should probably know better.
Hungary and Poland are some of the only fans with guts to stand up for what’s right and not give into the political lefts BS of lgbt and blm nonsense lol. Anyway, for a Azzurri! 🇮🇹🙌
Don't push political agendas in sports... expecting some won't reject them.
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Veszen trianon ❤
Black -> scary. Own opinion -> scary. Thanks Tifo, memo received. :)
Resist the woke ideology. Great to see a proud nation.
last 16 games - 1 Lose :D
loss te paraszt
Another quality James Montague script. I like a political video every now and then to mix things up.
The goblins demand we see our king on a daily post-game day podcast.
Thre 1:31 thre also one group in israel, more crazy then them and also is very right wing
Called - la familla Jerusalem
Would you like to tell me what Music is played in the background.
It almost sound like Nocturne by Frederic Chopin. My attention was grabbed
instantly at 0:12
Now i have watched the whole Video and I can say for sure the Piece in the background was just perfect choice. It really pushed the atmosphere to another level of Melancholie as deep as the seriousness of East Europe heat.
Hungary is suffering a massive population decline. Their ultras won't achieve any of their geopolitical dreams.
It's a Europen trend nobody having kids, not a Hungary exclusive thing.
@ad3mn on top of that, Hungary has net migration loss. It's own people are escaping to other nations. This is a particular problem for Hungary
@@Evemeister12 How many Romanians are in Italy? or how many Poles are in Germany? a lot.
@@ad3mn Poles are actually returning to Poland because the economy is improving. Meanwhile, many doctors in Bavaria have Hungarian surnames
Hungarians been oppressed by Turks, Austrians, and Russians and now an MP who steals from their people and making his political allies more wealthy and powerful, like all others before him.
And they can't get rid of him because of the brain washed elder population. No wonder Hungarians are leaving...
Disgusting, How does one combine football with so much hatred. Sad people
You probably know nothing about the group, just like creater of the video. Dont think all of the Carpathian Brigade are sad, stupid, extreme nationalist people, although I wont say that some of them are not like that.
Football, is basically about tribalism at its core.
@@subutaynoyan5372exactly National teams are plagued by right wing people in all countries
@@maba1503We don't have any evidence to confirm or disprove whether they all do hold those views since they don't conduct interviews
but if I were to guess considering how blatantly ultra nationalist the group is I would say the majority do hold these views not all but the majority
@@maba1503 most of them are. Otherwise you wouldn't hang out with people w fascist beliefs
2024.06.17. 16:38
You call these people extreme radicals.
Watch Balkan football matches.
Based supporters!
Glad to see Europeans finding their balls again and being nationalistic...
Weird you would publish a video with such a massive mistake in it.
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Does austria has something similar ? And what about other countries ?
Austria and most european countries has ultras on clubs level but they are not united for their national team
As a Hungarian it's sickening to see that one cannot be proud and enjoy this sport without any politics. It's a really disappointing video
Anti LGBTBBQ, I can respect that.
if i do that myself the funder and the founder where we at?
lets gooo!!!!! video about hungary
Honestly, Orban is certainly what Xi Jinping aspired to look at, and Orban is far, far smarter. Remember that Hungary was in a massive demise by 2009 when the ultras was founded and Orban began involving in football, and in just a decade later, Hungary became a prominent European football nation again. Meanwhile Xi spent billions of dollars trying to create a football culture but still unable to replicate the 2002 feat.
Hungary already had a football culture prior to Orban's leadership. He just invested money. Chinese leaders tried the same but most Chinese care nothing for football. Basketball is a bigger sport in China.
Thre 1:31 thre also one group in israel, more crazy then them and also is very right wing
Called - la familla Jerusalem
This is why i laugh at people crying about politics in football. These guys are bringing it as much as those who support LGBTQ+ or BLM. Whoever you agree with politics is always a crucial part of the sport and fan culture
Thumbnail says bridgade
based Hungary
W for Hungary!
Hi, can you do a video about rise of Georgia national team for their first ever Euro championship in Germany?
Wow!! A rare video!
Now they have their 1m+ subscribers they dont care anymore 🙄
every opponent team's tifo should say "TRIANON" just to mess with them lol
SVK, ROM and AUT
Romanian fans do that and we also say no other slurs to them
Im also an anti LgTV ..sony tv for me
Very edgy what can I say
No such a thing as greater Hungary. That is simply Hungary. You may call today's Hungary carved up Hungary.
No such thing as greater Western Mongolian horde. That is simply Western Mongolian Horde. You may call today's Western Mongolian Horde scattered Western Mongolian Horde.
Ride back to the steppes little Hun
@@Merugaf Since when is the servant allowed to address his master? And what are you doing in the house, get back into your shed and attend to the sheep and goats.
Most racist fans in Europe. Almost impressive
Rep of ireland 2 hungary 1
HAJRA MAGYAROK!!!🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
Orban's brigades
Hitc sevens talked about Orban and his influence in reviving Hungarian football a week ago...
Cool, these are very different videos
Hungarians also bought Croatian club NK Osijek
Excellent video smearing Hungary
Hungary is one of the last real countries in Europe
Where are your Euro videos? Last time you guys did a great series leading up to the euros
I hope the East European teams do well
why glorifying nazis @Tifo?
Hungary will win the Euros
All of this bull to play 3 matches
Make a video about how Forest beat WBA's record low points to survive
There is a solid number of ultras, hools and casuals in Hungary who are just supporting their hometown clubs. The CB is a very controversal group in the country, they are secretly, but not so secretly funded by the government. For example ordinary fans could not get tickets for the euro because of the CB. Also ferencvaros hooligans are funded by the government.
When govts use sports to try and prove that their ethnicity or culture is superior, its so gross. Ruins sports really. Russia did this at the Olympics too (state sponsored doping), and then solid it to the Russian public that Russians are just physically and mentally superior to others. Such a gross weaponisation of sport.
:DDDDDDDDDDDD magadtól találtad ki? Vagy valaki segített?
@@jarmy90 A CB mindig kap jegyeket, minden meccsre. Ettől függetlenül kisebb politikai befolyás alatt vannak, mint mondjuk a Fradi tábora.
I came over from Australia to watch the hungarian games & managed to get a ticket & stood amongst them. They're good ppl once you get to know them.
Why do you guys promote such groups? Even bad publicity is publicity. Maybe make a video about youth clubs, something that brings progress and development in the game. Is this some sort of english nostalgia regarding the "good times" of football hooliganism from the 80' and 90'?
I have similar problems in Romania avoiding stadium matches of the national team because some brain-dead people start chanting / fighting over old local club rivalries.
They’re journalists this is their job. I for one didn’t know anything about this group so this video was really interesting to me and that’s what the job of a journalist is to inform people.
I'm sure hundreds will be clamoring to join a Hungarian fascist ultra group after watching an English-language video
Allie did it first
Based.
Classic tifo video
So again is irredentism...
Vigo the Carpathian, the scourge of Moldovia, the sorrow of Transnistria.
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Ultras paling ganas ke euro german.