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It is rather obvious that association of Orban with revisionist states, make Poland associated with those. Due to Kremlin pushed conspiracy theory of spiting Ukraine. Even if in reality government of Kaczyński, was seeking ally against Germany in EU. Due to fear of Germany receiving similar propose from Moscow (Sikorki confirmed that Russia did give him this proposition, what he reported to NATO but was ignored). When German sucking pipe and acting in denial, strongly implied could be the case. Even if now we know that Germans were honesty oblivious and eventual talks didn't go beyond Merkel, who didn't treat it seriously.
Russia strait refused Ukrainians claims of neutrality. Only pulling back to it when they army was annihilated. But at this point Ukraine do not give a shit.
Hm yet another of those bloody countries who think that just coz some of their ethnicity lives/lived in certain area it historically fully belongs to them even if the area was always multi-ethnical throught the history. It's same exact sh*t Hitler was all about. Have you learned nothing?
Even prominent politicians in the west are extremely ignorant. What do you expect from a regular blogger? "We are so blessed having such stupid and ignorant people our enemies", Putin said.
@@Anthony-db7cs So, have you asked the people if they want to do right by their ancestry or do you too think that "countries" are merely locations where economic transactions happen and therefore borders shouldn't matter?
As a Hungarian, I was raised in a "If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" spirit... but I fail to see how the EU didn't solve most problems that ever came from it. Borders don't mean anything now, you can travel from the Adriatic Sea to the Tatras without looking for your passport.... I don't know why we fight against that...
Politicians want citizens to feel pain because it is great populist tool to grow power around. Either Hungarians let the wound heal and move on or they will be dammed by their own ruling class to suffer in anger while other nations will flourish in prosperity of friendship and cooperation. Politicians don't care about Hungarians' feelings, they don't want them to be happy and content because it is hard to manipulate such people, on the other hand angry and bitter people are easy to manipulate. Politicians surely know that within NATO and EU redrawing borders is unlikely but they will keep the wound open just because they know it will be at least easy to get reelected and voters will be too bitter at the ghosts to notice that they are being manipulated. It is actually crazy how obvious it is that whole "lets build the society upon Trianon" idea doesn't have a 'good' outcome with salvation unless whole Europe collapses and Hungary somehow aligns itself with some alliance which will allow it to retake lost lands. Either way it is so unlikely or so fake used purely for manipulation that in vast majority of historical outcomes Hungarians will continue suffering from anger and bitterness being injected to them by their ruling class just because it is easier them to manipulate and not because undoing Trianon is even remotely likely.
As a Hungarian I can tell this person is telling you all a people pleasing lie. You "were raised If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" is simply not in the proximity of truth. You were thought a lesson that you compleatly ignoring the meat of. We like everybody on this planet learn about our own history because noone else will. I am pretty sure that nobody expects the Chinese to feel good about the century of humiliation or the Polish to not care about the partitioning of their country. Also teaching facts about said history and a teacher being there who demands that you know them are not extraordinary at all. Do people think about what they had been though? Why would not they? "I was raised" uuuhh my... I was forced to feel pain.... ooo my... like I should insert a picture here from the movie Clockwork Orange..... Only thing you have been forced to is learn like anyone.
Hungary did not lose Croatia in Trianon. The map you are showing at 3:00 says "Countries of the Hungarian Holy Crown" that is a personal union of Hungary and Croatia. Croatia was a separate entity. Plus there was no "Hungarian Royal Navy" stationed in Fiume. There was only an Austro-Hungarian navy that was stationed in Pola and Cattaro (Pula and Kotor) while Fiume (Rijeka) was the commercial port of Hungary. (That city did not belong to Croatia but Hungary.)
Perosonal union? Wtf fiction is that? Like Serbia was in "personal union" with Ottoman empire, America was in personal union with Britain, Tibet in personal union with China...
@@alexandartheserb7861 Fiction? When Stjepan II died in 1091, ending the Trpimirović dynasty, Dmitar Zvonimir's brother-in-law Ladislaus I of Hungary claimed the Croatian crown. This led to a war and personal union with Hungary in 1102 under Coloman.[53]
@@swinfeflue You mean Trpimirović from Knin throne which was untill 1995. settled 90% with Serbs? And Stjepan=Stefan, it was Nemanjic dinasty crown title. Read own Mavro Orbini from Dubrovnik 1600. Kingdom of Slavs and you will understand it better
"The amoral West is bad and Christianity is a bulwark against Islam. Now let me tell you about my plan to get closer to amoral China and a nostalgic Turkey." Great job there, Mr. Orban.
Islam is taking over Russia and Erdogan is basically an islamist. China is even a communist country. I find it weird how plastic identity politics can get. I am not opposed to nationalism or even irredentism in some cases, but it really is not obvious to me what do these all these players have in common to build on. Russia takes what Russia can from European countries and its sympathizers can hope to become at most like Belarus, completely deprived of any power on their own. It is sad that Hungarians don't always seem to remember who their enemies and opressors have always been.
Turkey and china are civilisation states that focus heavily on heritage, the west is ashamed of their heritage and is purposely replacing it. Doesn't take a genius to understand orbans thinking
@@anthony64632 Perhaps, but you don't appear intelligent either. Fully capitalized sentences don't enhance your voice. Speaking of voice, I wonder why YT doesn't display my previous comment here.
Hungarians are free to revert to their true territory in the Urals mountains- great place, much closer to the beloved putin-khuilo, China and the Turks world:). I am sure Hungarian politicians will not like the idea because there would not be any subsidies and funding from the EU.
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@@theeyeofthebeholder7099 and so are you valachians back to the balcans wher you come from
There are only a few people in Hungary who seriously think that the lost territories must get back. I'm hungarian nationalist, but I can see the reality. Percentage of the Hungarian minority In Roumania is 6 %, in Slovakia 8 %, in Ukrain 0,27 %, In Serbia 3,5 %, in Croatia 3 %. Who says that the revision of treaty of Trianon has some reality wants evil for all people who live here in this part of Europe.
Wrong. You view those statistics from the whole country as a whole not the region in which the Hungarians reside. You are anti-Hungarian. Never call yourself a "nacionalist" again.
Oh yea.. because we can just casually ignore how they ethnicly cleansed entire towns. Or how the very reason hungary is a minority in those areas is because they genocided us.
How about counting the population percentage in just the Hungarian part of those countries (occupying powers)? Of those you mentioned only Felvidék is fully Hungarian, and in its case the Hungarian population is all concentrated along the border.
Today in European politics the territorial integrity is the non plus ultra. What if you change your view and you do not count every time how many of you remained and where? Was there a public vote in 1920? No. Then it was a dictatum, mere agression, to use the word popular today (in every other case). Have you considered this before? Reuniting is not meant on an ethnical basis, since ehnical arguments were rigged from the start. If it had not been the situation like that, 3 millions of Hungarians would not have fallen on the other side of the borders. (Hungary has to prove (and it can) that everyone benefits from a reunited Carpathian basin. Ethnical arguments, like yours, and like today's Hungarian main views are dead ends. They lead to nowhere.)
@@militaryorchid7937 You cannot convince a Romanian that a reunited Carpathian Basin is good for him. This is mere nonsense your vision. In a united Europe with full minority rights there is no need to change borders.
I am a hungarian and I do not want any revisions. You know what I want? Good international relationships and economic prosperity. Easy, nobody wants to die for a bygone era.
yeah but most of your people (the youth and a lot of old farts) want the stupid kingdom of hungary back, thanks to orban and old maygar farts being salty about wwi. tbh it would be better to take more hungary lands, mainly for romania and slovakia to protect them more, focus maygars outside of hungary to assimalate or get out like the germans in czechia and poland after wwii. Bc otherwise hungary is too much of a risk for all the nations bordering it, where romania and the other nations will have to beat their ass again like in 1919 where romania invaded budapest.
@@dannyboy218 Hungary is no risk. It is all bark and no bite. Orban needs fodder for his electoral popularity and what better way to look good in front of it by acting as the defender of all Hungarians within and outside the country. He also needs to shower the Hungarian communities in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia with stuff so that they can keep voting for him and his party.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth :) :) :) You give a great review of a country you've heard of but don't live in. You're just trying to assert someone's interest. :) How do you evaluate the practice of the US presidential election, eg the relationship between Donald Trump and Joe Biden? The USA evaluated the conversations between the leaders of the Soviet Union as "conversations of the dying". There was nothing to blame in their person or appearance. (they didn't shake hands with the wall, etc.) They were right. How is the president, who is the symbol of the USA, evaluated now?
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth why shower them? Like can Hungarians outside of Hungary vote? Bc if so that makes no sense if some 18 year old now who lived their entire life in Serbia and their parents did too have a Hungarian citizenship. That’s a conflict of interest as the maygars outside of Hungary don’t care too much of Hungary’s policies as it doesn’t effect them. Like how the maygars in Hungary don’t give a fuck about what maygars outside of Hungary want as they don’t pay taxes and why should they get benefits of both Hungary and Serbia government for example? And last that’s more likely to cause uprisings in slovakia Romania and Serbia as a lot of radical maygars outside of Hungary can vote for someone like orban who probably has the Hungarian military make up war plans to invade its neighbors when the time is right. Like seriously I believe orban and his government have a lot of spies in Romania and Slovakia as they keep illegal visting those nations and sending funds and buying lands in those nations and others to prompt maygars in those nations, which idk why tf the European Union didn’t do anything about it, so when the time is right many maygars in slovakia and Romania cause a civil war to disrupt those nations and then Hungary invade when the maygars inside Romania and Slovakia damage the nation and army a bit
you could make a similar video about austria, also loosing terretory in czechia slovakia, and most importantly Südtirol, yet revisionism is not much a popular idea here
It is a sign of disfunctioning. Normal countries cope with reality in a normal ways, Hungary started to believe in tales. Pretty scary, how orban can sing them, and they fully believe him.
Yes since Austria was the head of the state not Hungary. Austro-Hungaria failed to be a functional state because it was so multi-ethnic. It’s also why they didn’t win a single battle in the war they started. WWI Started not because archduke Ferdinand was killed but because he was no longer there to check the ambition of his field marshal to go to war whom he had rejected request to go to war no less than 16 separate occasions.
You do not have much minorities in Slovakia... As four the South Tirols, the German speaking Volk got languages right. Look a the language law in Ukraine and weep.
An English journalist makes a report with an old Hungarian man: - I would like you to tell me about your life. - I was born in the Kingdom of Hungary and studied there, then I started working in Romania. Later I got married in Ukraine and now I am retired in Slovakia, but unfortunately my children rarely visit me because they don't live in this country. - You had a very busy life, that you were able to travel so much. - Ah, I didn't even move out of my hometown, only the borders of the country often changed around me according to the interests of power.
That doesn't exactly work. Perhaps in modern Zakarpattia(Carpathian Ruthenia) which went from Hungary>Czechoslovakia>Carpatho-Ukraine>Hungary>Soviet Union>Ukraine, but those countries you mentioned never shared territory.
I am Hungarian. 1: Let us not confuse Hungary with Orbán. Hungary is not equal to Orbán, and Orbán is not equal to Hungary. 2: Revisionism means the desire to restore the former borders of a country. In this sense, I think, Orbán is not a revisionist. He thinks in terms of cross-border national cohesion, so that magyars can become a global nation like jews. 3: Sovereign Hungary is the most important for Orbán, for 2 reasons: For the sake of the survival of our country, Hungary, which is more than 1000 years old, and because he knows well, that his autocracy is impossible to overthrow from within.
1. On the contrary: the Hungarians elected Orban. His views, statistically speaking, are no different from what the average Hungarian thinks. Did Hungarians take to the streets when he opposed aid to Ukraine? Did they scream when he went to his daddy in Moscow? So, yes: he represents Hungary. No - he wants to be Hungary. And you, statistically speaking, applaud. 2. It's hard to see anything other than a revisionist desire when you wear scarves with greater Hungary printed on them, when you keep talking about the "injustice" of Trianon, when football fans chant xenophobic and revisionist slogans, when Hungarian politicians refuse to acknowledge and respect the national symbols of the neighbouring countries they visit and make provocative comments, etc. 3. Orban's influence in Hungarian communities in neighbouring countries is undeniable. Hungarian communities tend to isolate themselves, believing that everyone is a threat. Read about the xenophobic incident in Ditrău on Wikipedia. The Hungarian state is so scared of the danger of perishing that it has a law on naming newborns - parents can only choose a name from an approved list. Names "in accordance with Hungarian linguistic and cultural traditions". So, no - Orban is what Hungarians are.
@@fd2824 True, that he is (Orban) the prime minister and the most important person in Hungary, but he's not all the hungarians. And i think this video is pointless, because no evidence of any revisionist idea in his politics. I mean, treaty of trianon is part of the hungarians history, but thats all. Yes, he built so called "close" relations with China, Russia etc. but right now, what we know about it, its just economical relations, nothing else. Hungary is part of NATO and EU. The only reason (i think) that video is exist, because the other countries scared of Hungary, but i dont know why. No reason to do that.
@@fd2824 i think big part of the problem is that following the Trinanon treaties there were were well documented large scale pogroms including human torture solely based on ethnicity against Hungarians. Later the aggressive assimilation policies of the Caucescu regime did not help. I grew up fearing all our eastern neighbors. Why do you think these communities isolate? All these traumas left deep scars. We grew up fearing our neighbors who really stabbed us in the back and treated us mercilessly. I personally do like many Romanians I actually think we share a lot but as a nation I wish I could feel safe around them. I really do. Comments like yours do not help. Allowing minorities to live in safety and peace would make a difference in the region. It would make this whole argument about revisionism absolete. But as long as you treat your minorities as you do there will always be strategies to try to represent the rights of your nationality across the border granted in bilateral agreements and at the level you signed when joined the UN and the EU.. which you don’t now. Orban is actually very soft. He wears that scarf to show that his team is representing all Hungarians i the football field.. I don’t see how is it upsetting. When An American puts out an American flag in his room living abroad you don’t think he is a nationalist. When a Hungarian celebrates his language or culture you get aggressive.. you have the land.. you have the overwhelming support of nato and America you have the power.. why don’t you use it to create peace? About the Ukrainian issue.. same stuff… personal threats against Mayors of Hungarian nationality closing of schools denying the right to speak your national language did not convince us to stand up an cheer for this overly nationalist Ukrainian government we do support humanitarian aid to any Ukrainian but supporting this nationalist war ? While they trash all minority rights including Romanian and Hungarian nationalities? Why? .. Last but not least Orban won because his opposition was complete collection of contradicting idiots. 56 percent of all voters voted for him. That’s far less maybe third of population of Hungary. I’m not gonna lie I’m happy he won..
As a Hungarian, I can state that Hungary wants peace, not war! We want stability, friendship with other nations so that economy can run fast and smooth without any disturbancies. A healthy, working economy means much more than a futile war for territories. We all live on the same land, it's called Planet Earth.
As a Romanian of mixed heritage, I will say this you and I are one of the many normal people who want things to back to normal as in reason to dictate better actions, the problem or should I say problem, is very pro-imperialist in Hungary, whom like her are part of the old guard from the USSR days whom are nothing more than cutthroat bastards or robber barons that want to crown the next king, Removing Orban is only one-half the other is removing all the cronies, by fore if necesary
Sorry to say this, but I still remember the 8 years of commies before them, they did the same thing, the only difference was that the commies sold the country to foreigners.
To Pozsonyi Katalin: That's fake news, what you're saying. This video was exemplary. I am forwarding someone's post from another such video. I got a lot of heat from trolls over it, but if I can .... well, my examples might get me punished by RUclips, so I'll leave it: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration. I'm American, but I have been living in Hungary since 2002, and I speak and study Hungarian and history and have lots of students. You don't even know your own history well. I have 24-25 flyers on this topic. All professionally translated: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yPkMtzdcZtILMSYQdx_yIpuEEdkyUssM
It says you have 3 replies, but I only see one. My previous blog has been hidden. You have a false narrative. I previously posted a longer version of this, but my info, which is more than valid and more than relevant here, has been removed or hidden. Here is a forwarded post by another blogger, perfectly stated for this occasion: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration.
In a better world, the imperialists would be curbed by their people, and the minorities wouldn't be treated as second class in the neighboring countries. That is so rarely the case sadly.@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
As a fairly old Hungarian, I think the Trianon-mania strengthens when we are relatively unsuccessful at present, and weakens when we are successful. During the socialism, we were relatively successful compared to our socialist neighbours. Nobody was crying on Trianon. When the socialismus collapsed and there was an economic downfall, the Trianon-mania outbroke. Then during the economic crisis of 2006 strengthened again, and now when we see how the Romanians and Slovakians became more developed, this crying is louder again.
With the economic problems of the last period, the nationalist and sovereignist trend is artificially growing in Romania as well. Politicians - who are inherently hypocritical and immoral - prefer to blame foreigners, rather than admit they were wrong
After fall of communism Hungary imported / get donations of military technic /tanks, armoured vehicles ,guns, cannons from East Germany stock In this way was more equipped then all non soviet states . Now they don't have Patriot, Himars .,Reaper drones ,F16, . Romania and Poland do and in future F35 stealth aircraft Military now Hungary get the TRIANON 2.0 .
..and 1848, another freedom fight crushed with the help of the russians. For some magical reason all the commemorations mentions only Austria but actually the russian empire sent even more men than the austrian army.
I'm not joking when I say that the current party line is "1956 was just as much Ukraine as it was Russia, but also present day Brussels is worse than 1956 Moscow." they literally say this.
And then on the losing side in the cold war. It`s very reassuring that they`re with Russia, China and Turkey now. It just shows that no matter how bad things look, it will all be fine in the end.
The video omitted one salient fact: Hungary has been for all intents and purposes, a maquiladora for German manufacturing companies (as has other lower wage Eastern EU countries like Czechia, Poland, etc.). The problem with being a maquiladora is that they are prey to slumps of the parent company's sales.
You are right. Problem is that local political class is too stupid, lazy and corrupt to create conditions for growth of local businesses. So we need thos german investments...
Wages in Eastern EU are no longer low and only Hungary and the Czechs are dependent on German companies. The ridiculous situation is that Hungarian manufacturing is also dependent on Russian energy so they're facing a double crysis.
@@AB8511 The real problem is in 1990 the traitor local post-communist elite sold out the country almost for nothing to western firms. Hungary had "goulash - communism" which one the early form of capitalism and accumulated national treasure and created companies. The Western firms first brought up all of them then was destroyed directly to reason not being a competitor of the western firms any hungarian one...
As a Hungarian myself, I would like to point out, that the percentages on the support of certain topics may be misleading, as they are not a country-wide research, rather a subsection, who are mostly on the lower end of the social and economic scale, hence influencing their opinion is significantly easier. On revisionism - please keep in mind, that Hungary, despite not starting WWI (ruled by the Austrian Emperor), have lost more of it's population and landmass than e.g.: Germany, with Hungary losing 325411 square kilometers opposed to 69929 square kilometers, 72 % compared to 10%. With these facts, having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family significantly influences daily life even without the additional toll of loosing our resources. Hungary will always remember to the Trianon treaty as one, which tried to cripple our nation, heritage and economy, and have benefited others significantly. Therefor while revisionism is not a solution and the majority would not support it, it will likely remain a fond thought - at least in theory - for most Hungarians. Capitalizing on this is simple populism, with no real intentions behind it...
what do you mean "having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family", you do that only with your identity card. You had to travel the same distance as before
There are still borders, which may be closed for national reasons, and there are areas - namely to the east and south - which are not part of the Schengen area. Also please bear in mind the social and mental effects of visiting your relatives in another country - despite it was not their intent to end up on the other side of a border. This is not the same as opportunism to the "western" states. I am not promoting revisionism, just to make this clear. However if what you say is thue, than what was the point of establishing sovereign nations in the first place instead of a then "central" government, which would have had the chance to create a strong economy based on the collective resources? And to note: while free border crossing is considered normal, even I remember the days, when you have been stuck at border checkpoint for up to 24 hours - which may or may not return.
@@isunembizsu or, your relatives can move. You're free to travel. Also, talking about exceptions with border control instead of the free movement rule is useless, as I can too debunk any rule that worked for a long time with just 1 exeption. Austria and the netherlands are in charge of schengen so you're barking at the wrong tree there. Everything else is blabla. Not your lands, not your rules. You want relatives close? Just move. But no, you want your cake and to eat it too. Case closed
@@vardekpetrovic9716 kosovo is not serbia, your point is invalid once. 2nd invalidation comes from the fact that hungarians aren't even on the ethnic composition of kosovo map, so their numbers are so tiny they don't matter. Case closed, you're out
totally out of touch view point of yours. How can u say free to travel? At covid, any foreign conflict like in ukraine U COULDN'T visit your family or u have to flee from a country to a anouther. U know how many hungarians fled Ukraine just because of the war? Its not the same situation ever to live in a different country. The Standard of living is not really different but the rest is hard to live by. Discrimanation or vistiing family across the border.@@kysfggt
When the criminals from Kremlin made the suggestion that my country Romania, Poland and Hungary should take advantage now, when Ukraine is weak, and take back our lost territories, Orban was drooling like a mad dog, and came in his pants. I bet the criminal from Kremlin was in shock, seeing that we are not all like him and Orban, hienas, that just can't wait to rip Ukraine apart. Some idiots really forgot, or they never learned, how bloody and destructive were the last wars. We should be wiser and know better, because in Europe, every country has territories to another, and once we start playing this stupid, losing game again, the same bloodbath will be repetead. Let's focus on respecting and protecting each minorities in our countries, and look forward for a prosperous future. We have bigger problems ahead, with the climate changes, energy crisis, inflation, than stupid pieces of land.
@@user-li4vy8mp9o Good luck in your fight with the orcs, unfortunately we know very well what russian agression feels like.. Just be respectfull and fair with your minorities, whether they are romanians, hungarians, bulgarians, poles, gypsies, and others. Peace!
@@Maria..Carina-y6x, thanks. Frankly speaking, I don't remember any case of minority oppression in Ukraine. Like, I have Gagauz roots (and my surname originated in the Gagauz langauge), I mostly speak Russian, but haven't faced any kind of unrespectful attitude from other people in my country. I know, it may occured to other people and I feel sorry for them, but the oveall problem seems to be exaggerated by media.
There was no Hungarian Royal Navy. There was the kaiserliche und königliche Kriegsmarine, or k.u.k. Kriegsmarine, part of the common (gemeinsame) armed forces controlled by the war ministry in Vienna. There was no naval equivalent to Austrian Landwehr or Hungarian Honved, the supplementary land forces of the two halves of the empire. Even the Danube Flotilla was fully controlled by the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine. The k.u.k. Kriegsmarine naval ensign was always the red-white-red Austrian flag overlaid by the shield in the same colours, under the imperial crown.
@@Csongor-wo4le - 🙄 Nope. You're playing with words. The Hungarian crown-state government did not control the navy, even in part. The most power it had was over funding through the annual delegations' common budget process.
@@overworlder Miklós Horthy is the most prominent evidence for Hungarian control over PARTS of the Navy. Of course, the War Department and the Emperor had the final word. It's not my intention to play with your words, it's just that your statements are PARTLY contradictory.
@@aiurea1 after trianon until 1990 all big cities is 90% (60%-90%) hungarians... so matematicly its not true. Under trianon talking (my english is bad, i talk about when trianon is happend and the leaders talk with each others) their minister of ethnic (how much % is the Hungarians, Tót, romanians,( all other 30 human type) of the population) he said the hungarian map is more correct map then the romanians, serb, slovaky map... and our map is said that % thing. If i remember well, 1 citties is near 95% hungarian... most of the cittoes is around 70%. So because their minister said who actualy not use our map its mean we have right (just hes job is not to be fair), so its not 3 million of that is romanian... székely and Hungarian mean the same, this is why, i know in the romanian school, most of the time they said these lie, and bullshits but i search a lot in the internet and i find a lot of proof, and these proof is not from wiki pedia (the wiki is give the right to hungarians to but not just that).
@@Dementor_Boss There were 3.2 million Romanians in Transylvania by 1910. 3.5 by 1920. This is according to Hungarian censuses. Also, the cities maintained an artificial Hungarian majority, but as soon as you went outside of them, everybody spoke Romanian for a reason. The reason why Romanians penetrated the cities only after Trianon is because prior to Trianon it would be almost impossible for Romanians to buy or build anything in the confines of the city. Hungarian mayors and city councilors would not grant authorizations nor allow the selling of land and buildings to Romanians.
Hungarian here. It is not a revisionist state. If it were, all our neighbours would already be in a massive uproar. Orbán has bought the minority Hungarians by giving them citizenship and lots of money. During elections they come across the border by the busloads, vote for Fidesz and then go home. Obviously not everyone, but enough to make a small difference which has made then very unpopular with us here in the mothercountry. Changing the borders would cause a lot more problems than it would solve. The EU has the means to address minority issues and gradually all historic grievances can be dealt with in time and with communication. The biggest problem for Hungarians inside and outside the country's borders is an aging population and emigration to the West. Orbán is an opportunistic parasite. He'll sell his mother to stay in power and will say whatever anyone wants to hear. He started off as a liberal and has been everything you can imagine. Right now he's playing Christian conservative nationalist. He's a gutless coward and will not do anything to seriously challenge any status quo. Have a nice weekend everyone.
@phaslow - I heard the Hungarian diaspora could vote-by-mail in Hungarian elections. Hey, I know a bunch of Liberal Lefty Democrats of Hungarian descent here in the US. I wonder if Orban would be open to letting them vote in your elections, too?
What a shame that you call your self Hungarian , Minority Hungarians didn't not chose to be a minority outside of Hungary border , their situation is an awful gift of the past history , You should know that as a Hungarian. The president didn't bought the Hungarian minority's with anything , you are misguided . For a hundred years they whore town away by the pages of history to the claws of the wolfs to be chewed up.( our beloved neighbors ) The President simply give them the opportunity to join the nation legally and spiritually if they choose to do so . And have the same rights and support as any Hungarian citizen have inside Hungary's border. Believe me.. they are appreciate and love the nation for it more then you can imagine . Before you open your mouth next time about Hungarian minority's I suggest that you move from Hungary to any of our neighboring country's where Hungarian minorities live and live with them for a few years . After experiencing there life it would be interesting to lessen to you .
The first two paragraphs were great. Then the third devolved into a psycho-analysis on someone you've never met. Stop pretending you know Orban personally and just criticise his policies, whether they're good or not.
@@martinja9953 The problem is with the current hungarian government is that I live under in it. The opposition is kept out of everything and the money flows only to that populist Orban. But, hungarians will caricature corruption because we actually hate corruption that is going on right now. I sincerely hope that Orban and Gyurcsany (one of the alcoholic opposition guy, was minister before - he ruined the country 2006-2010) will be out of the political sphere, that is the time when everything can be reformed politically. Of course, I think Hungary is behind the mentality of the west at least 15 years so do not expect changes to happen instantly.
The fact that Hungary is constantly at odds with the rest of EU nations is the first thing most people would fault Hungary for. I don't really fault them for that. Supposed irredentism is the least of their faults, althought it would get rather interesting if that was ever acted out for real. What I would criticize them for, however, is their tacit affinity with Russia and China, countries that are anathema to the west and present an obstruction to the western historical destiny. The latter is even a communist country to this day, anathema to civilization in general. The west may be in decline, but demoralization dooms it instead of reviving it.
As far as I can remember, (and I'm 35 years old), the prospect of taking back old territories in some way, any kind of revisioniosm was never a talking point for any of the ruling parties. Nor is it now.
Well you gota look at more media proving this. Since orban bans any media that he doesn’t like, you’re not going see his revisionist motives on state approved media
What do you even mean. The so called Szekely land flag flies on Hungary's parliament everywhere next to Hungary's flag. The ruling party goes to Szekely land with speeches supporting Szekely secessionism every year. Anything more revisionist than this implies the army and flying bullets.
@@nydydn oh yes, maintaining a good, supportive relationship with the only group of people outside our country who speak the same language? That can only mean revisionism and nothing else.
@@vodkavecz I'm talking about the big map of greater Hungary that can be seen when visiting the Hungarian parliament next to the Szekely land flag. There is no sane person that would say this isn't revisionism.
Only if you think in the framework of rivalry. Once you draw in the framework of common interest, it becomes much more sensible to be on good terms with many.
Hungary is on the side of NATO when it comes to war conflicts. Currently Hungarian troops are in several war zone among NATO forces. But geopolitics is an other issue. While the US has maintained it’s trade with Russia or China, why on Earth can’t we have the same pragmatic economic relations with these countries?
This is a very shallow @@KolostoriGabor-mc3wi This is a very shallow view Gaby. Of course, Hu has to honor it's engagement with NATO. The point is however that the irredentist views in Hu are at all time high hence Orban sucking Putin's cock at every opportunity. Putler was going to redrew Europe's borders and promised Orby some of lost Hu territories. Well, that's all up in flames now and Hu has no friends. Hu on the wrong side of history. Again. Minden yot boratom.
Magyarországnak TÁRSORSZÁGAI vannak. Ladomér,Halics,Ilyvó,(Lviv), Ráma(Bosznia),Szlavónia,Dalmácia, Horvátország, Bulgária,Moldva,Havasalföld,kunok földje.Ezt NEM a Habsburgok nyerték.Ez magyar,hun,avar,székely,és más rokon népek lakóhelye. Cseh és morva területek.Ezek nagy része valamikor szintén MI laktuk,de nem volt társország.Például Brno ősi neve: BÖRÉNVÁSÁR/BÖLÉNYVÁSÁR. Ez gyönyörű magyar név.
Hungary is what would have happened if Germany post WW2 would have once again go revisionist and if the germans would have remained in their lands post war while the territory would still go to Czechia and Poland. Its the good old Carthage rule: After the first war with Rome they were still a major power (War for Dominance) After the second war with Rome they were still a regional power ( War for Revenge/Revisionism) After the third war with Rome: "Carthago delenda est" Germany stopped after losing one fight for dominance (WW1) and one fight for revisionism (WW2), Hungary currently wants to go the third step...
The author of this video has a one sided view of history, he assumes absolute goods and evils as if we still existed in the 1940s. A few words to reflect on; the world is far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
@@the_white_rabbit I gave up on him on one of the first few videos that he originally published in Polish. It's one thing to be biased as you attempt to rip off Caspian Report, it's something else entirely where you're trying to sell your bias as some kind of objective geopolitical fact (such as this guy's hatred of Germany and deeply rooted conviction that this feeling is reciprocated by Germany in regards to Poland).
As a Hungarian, the direction my country is heading frigthens me, as it should any sane man, but what is worse that we're burning our bridges to our friends and allies in the west. Everything our grandfathers stood for in '56 is being overturned to line the pockets of Orbán and his cronies. Our country is being lashed to diseased and dysfunctional dictatorships, in China and Russia, and my nation is being reduced to a laughing stock (for understandable reasons) not just in the broader West, but closer to home in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and most painfully Poland. Hopefully when this fever dream ends (hopefully in 2026, but I wouldn't hold my breath) we won't be left alone to stand up from it. Also it shouldn't go without saying, that put in context, the posturing about the Hungarian diaspora, while they have issues, is really about revisionism, as for example the Hungarians in USA are completely left on their own, and aren't getting any of the funds meant to "keep the Hungarian culture alive".
@@szabolcscsicsely2048 Warsaw Pact thinking at it's finest. If you think anyone in Europe or the world is a US colony take a look at NATO countries' defence spendings. Moreover I agree I also wouldn't like to be part of the Neo-Ottoman Turkic caliphate.
As a romanian born in Transilvanian i m amazed how stupid regular people can be. You got a leader who don t want to leave the power and is start talking about how great we are and how big we can be and we gave up all our rights for astory. Hungary in the 90' where much better economically than Romania, now poor hungarians are comming in Romania to do their groceries because first of all they found everything they need and some of the products are cheaper. I m sorry for all the honest hungarians who have to live lead by a puppet of Putin. One more time on the wrong side of the history. What i can say, we got what we vote for
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who come to romania for work??? Those are romanian guest workers who's came home from Germany. LOL. Caucescu utopia and you think its the best place in the World. 🤣😂😂
@@trunksajovobol3792 If you want Transylvania so bad then let Romania annex Hungary and become Romanian, only then will Hungary and Transylvania be reunited :).
The author omits to mention that the so-called ‘Great Hungary’ was not a state and the ethnic Hungarians in that ‘state’ were always less than 50%. Quite a lame and biased piece.
The great Hungary was a state whose political system was given by the ruler. And there was a Hungarian majority in Transylvania, but the emperor was falsified by the Romanians and the Entente.
I am a Hungarian from Budapest. I have been following the political life in Hungary for almost a decade. This video gives a great, comprehensive and accurate picture of the country's political set-up, dependencies and problems. For those of you from abroad who might be interested in the situation here, this is the best video I have seen on the subject.
As a romanian from Kolozsvar, I think Victor Orban losts his minds. He came here this summer and denied sovereignty of Romania. All the romanians from here were schocked. For Victor Orban we, 80% of Transilvania population don't exist. I have many magyar friends and work colleagues including the szeklers. Tell me, why he did this? Do You know how many romanians from north Erdely died as hungarian heroes in Russia? They rest in peace at Rudkino cementery. Verify yourself. My great grandfather was one of them. He died for Orban's arrogance. We wanted to belive in friendship with hungarians from Hungary but for you, we don't exist. Orban does the same mistakes like hungarian politicians before Trianon. We didn't exist for them, also. That's why we wanted to unite with Romania. It's sad because as a romanian I can't imagine Transylvania without our magyar friends.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you for your feedback, as a Hungarian I am sorry about this. It is good to see you have friendly relationships with Hungarians/Székely Hungarians. The current situation with neighbouring countries is not that great. About the initial comment, I almost agree, it might need a bit more balanced opinion but I can not support our current goverment on many things unfortunately. Cooperate with the west has opportunities but it is very very false if we would live like people in China, Russia or even Turkey. ... I had hope in 2022 but the country did not vote against them, for most of the people here seems like the governance is ok Greetings from Hungary, Budapest, originall from Baranya, Pécs.
@@danielvarga_p Transilvania is above of all a spirit statement. Karoly Kos spoke about transylvanism. Miklos Bannfy also. Did You know that Miklos Banffy saved Kolozsvar in WWII, as foreign minister of Hungary? That's why, the germans burned his castel from Bonchida. He loved so much Transylvania, especially Kolozsvar. I'm glad that he finally rests in peace in Kolozsvar because this was last wish. Every ruin, every castle, every church, every river, forest has a story. So many cultures: magyars, germans, szeklers, romanians, armenians, jews. We miss so much the germans. Yes, Transylvania is a bless land. Pope said that is Lord's Mother land. Trianon will fall when the hatred between us will no longer exist. Our magyar friends read for us a poem, At Danube( Dunanal i think) by Jozsef Attila.I swear all the romanians were moved to tears at the final of the poem. The truth is that we love and respect each other here. If the magyars including the szeklers will leave from here, like the germans the beautiful spirit of Transylvania will die.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you, I am not really sure why you mentioned those things to me, but appreciatedd. Maybe my comment did not explain what I wanted to say, well. Most important, I am happy you have a good view on Hungarians and other nations people in Romania. In my opinion this is already over, as both country part of EU, and that we could celebrate. Unfortunately there are also people who does not like each other from both sides, but that will change over time. Have a great day.
As a hungarian, I can say that this is a one-sided video made when you only obviously asked hungarian opposition politicians and didn't ask Fidesz politicians, and other normal people, the majority in Hungary. That is of course not the way you get a realistic picture about a country.
These guys are leftists based out of Poland. If you understand their bias and where it comes from you can parse through their politics and get a more neutral take.
It was justified if you check an ethnic map of Hungary in 1918, I remember reading that Hungary's population was only 47% Hungarian. So a lot of territory was going to be lost either way. And in the border areas with mixed population, well, they were the losers.
@@catalinmarius3985 Yes, and why you did not give back at least the territories that were not populated by Roumanians? Do you know how present day European politics name situations where territories are taken without asking the people living there? If not, read something about the Russian-ukrainian war and see it yourself how Roumanian press is talking about Russia.
@@catalinmarius3985no it wasnt justified based on ethnicity. That is why MILLIONS of hungarians are still living in neighbouring countries. It was a "grab as much as you can" scheme: mines, forests, railway etc. Nobody cared about ethnicities of the population.
@@militaryorchid7937 Because those territories were in an exclave cut from the rest of Hungary. Hitler tried to do it in WW2 by giving North Transylvania to Hungary, it still ended up a region with 50% Romanians and 38% Hungarians. You cannot connect Szekelyland to Hungary because there are many Romanians in between.
It's amusing that Orban mourns the times when Hungary's territory was larger, because they were more or less ruled by Austria. It was not as if Hungary and Austria had equal rights in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy back then. 😅
Natinality is concept of 19th century. Why it should apply to history prior to it? It is the same logic as when in US whites shold pay blacks reparations for slavery...
Being true Pole you should at least acknowlegde that leaving 3mil Hungarians after WW1 was bad and other borders should have been set. You choose not to do that.
and Hungarians would never accept the foreign joke ever ... our entire history proves that .. all the rest of our neighbours just subjugates itself cowardly to the big powers ... only the Hungarians resist .... pffff
So, they want to have their old borders back? Great. I expect their surrender to Vienna within the next 24 hours. They might have forgotten who granted them these borders and who taught them in 1848/49 a lesson when they declared independence (Austria with massive support from Russia)... But seriously, this is a completely pointless claim that demonstrates just how much Fidez has lost contact with reality and their willingness to do everything to remain in power. I wished there was a way to kick them out of the EU or at least suspend their membership.
As a Hungarian I have to admit this is the most detailed and thorough video about Hungary to date. It gives enough backstory, provides context and manages to stay factual throughout. Congratulation to the team at GTBT! Despite that, I dont entirely agree with the final conclusions of the video. The Russian connection is way overemphasized and paints an inaccurate picture of Orban's ambitions. I know it was not in the scope of the topic of this video, but adding Orbans connections to Trump/Republican party and the right-wing network of like-minded parties within the EU would have given a more nuanced picture. As for the alliance for WW, Orban has said over and over that we prefer neutrality. Like you guys pointed out, we allied with the Germans twice already, lost both times...not gonna be fooled into 3rd time.
If they want neutrality why did they join NATO? Or the EU for that matter? The way Orban has gone out of his way to block aid packages from the EU for Ukraine and not sign on to sanctions has some people wondering if he isn't actually a Russian Trojan horse.
When children were killed in one of your neighbours' houses, women were raped and the house was set on fire, don't you think it's strange to insult the victims and shake hands with the murderer?
If we're neutral, why is the Kremlin propaganda flowing from government-affiliated media translated to hungarian? (Zelensky wants war, Putin is open to peace, just to mention one headline) The statement in the video was accurate: The government is as pro-Russian, as it can be while being a member of NATO, and EU. This is what I always said, basically since the beginning of the war, to everybody claiming our neutrality.
Orbán's politics doesn't have any revisionist elements, in fact he tried to build good relations with all neighbouring countries, mostly successful in Slovakia and Serbia. Just remember how hostile the Slovakian-Hungarian relations were prior to Orban. Nice clickbait, but maybe try telling the truth for a change.
And now he's sucking off Putin and Xi, two people known for their love of democracy and human rights. Try moving to Russia if you love it so much, then tell me about 'clickbait'.
Everyone becomes a revisionist if more than half of their country is lost. But everyone will be a revisionist even if it is only a possibility that they can get territories. It's a simple fact. I would be curious if an American citizen were asked if his country would get Canada or Mexico, what would they say? :D
@@slick83boby erm... uhm.. it was always ours, the conquered population under the Austro-Hungarian superpower Empire already living there were just animals, it's even written by our national poet, that means they have no rights.
The main loser of WWI and WWII was Hungary. Trianon was unjust. Hungary was always respectful of ethnical minorities within its territory. Most of the lost towns were constructed and inhabited mainly by Hungarians. Full revision is impossible now, but Hungary should receive indemnization for the territories taken away. Hungarian language and culture should be fully respected in neighboring countries, especially in Rumania and Ukraine.
thats the biggest lie and no body speak hungary only hungaryans and they keep to claiming teritory from romania and other countrys and they dont show any respects to other countrys
3:30 Anyone can imagine a justification of ceding territory to AUSTRIA, with Hungarian majority in the area? Only reasoning I can come up is to create tensions between the Monarchy's successor states.
Magnet McMilin's "Paris 1919" has a section on that particular transaction. Biggest reason I recall was railway lines, and the important depos. Some areas would have become economically screwed if they lost certain rail yards and turn heads. Happened in quite a few other places to. Another large factor into a lot of what happened to hungary is the communist government that took over the nation. It was unreconized and did not recognize the peace talks. Thus they had no representatives. Kind of hard to get a good deal when u don't show up to negotiations.
@@Skritshell What screwed Hungary the most in my opinion was fighting Czechoslovakia and Romania in 1919-1920, the Allies were pretty much fed up with the war in 1918 and Hungary keeping fighting when it was clear they lost certainly didn't win them any friends with the Allies. I remember reading that a French general straight up insulted the Hungarian delegation when they arrived in 1920, in public.
false analogy. Most ex hungarian regions had hungarian population ( at least before the Ottoman attack ),settlement names and history. meanwhile Hungary doesn’t have any austrian history from the beginning till the 1600 s . not a meaningless difference.
@@catalinmarius3985You're not wrong there but what really screwed Hungary is their "own" bolshevik revolution. People forget this, especially Romanians who (kind of victoriously) mention the siege and conquer of Budapest in 1919; that Hungarians had to fight their own (whites vs reds), while being completely depleted. Of course it was impossible to hold out against CZ and RO, who both had the Entente power's support. But then again... you're not wrong.
@@Skritshell Western leader tend to create states and border just so there would be further conflict. Look at all the African countries. Or the middle east. Its not out of the norm that they argued for these partitions just so there would be war at a later time.
This whole video is based on the premise that Viktor Orban is friendly with these mentioned leaders because of the shared ideology or whatsoever (it is kinda shady what the editors thought by saying this, but fair enough). What you all here fail to consider, is the past of Hungary. And not talking about the treaty of Trianon. That was a shameful decision, a pretty unfair one, but we, Hungarians accepted it overall. It is undoubtedly funny and biased to accuse us with super-nationalism or territorial hopes. The reason why the PM of Hungary has these diplomatic ties with those leaders AS WELL, is that Hungary has always been a country between the West and the East. We have been invaded by both of them and it is against our interest them to be against each other, because we are in the middle and therefore we never come out of those conflicts well. I’d like to underline it again, maintaining fair relations with all leaders around the globe is couldn’t be further from betraying the West, on the contrary, this pluralism was the idea of the West before the 21st century. We are a peaceful, welcoming country with astonishingly beautiful arts, cities, nature and culture, feel free to visit us and prove the mainstream wrong! 🇭🇺
Even do not needed to make ideologies about bridging between east and west, however in the 19th century it was an existing view of the role of Hungary. A normal state in Europe simply tries to make friends not enemies, triing to trade and exchange cultural goods and not robbing each other. Thats what the greedy elite of the western colonizer countries never really could understood, they always thought in ruling the whole world and exhausting other ppls goods, and making world wars, becvause how funny those would be. thexy are basically opium warmongers. We are not indo-europeans, we never shoot first. Also Hungary is a little country, so if we hear that we should defeat Russia or the Chinese Empire, taking part in the silly shaking swords of the western lunatics, of course we laugh and leave that work to them.
I think there's a greater chance of Poland revising its borders to include western Ukraine, than it is for Hungary to do what has been outlined in this video.
There isn't. There is no political party or social group of any significance in Poland that wants Lwów back. This question has been asked and already dealt with back in 1960s. The matter is closed and we are perfectly happy with the territories we have. Anything you might hear to contrary is orc propaganda.
It is in an area of imagination that in case of collapse of Ukrainian state under Russian pressure, Poland might take controll of western Ukraine. But it would rather be an authonomous republic. Annexing it directly to Poland would be just a foolish action. There are no Poles living there anymore and such a turn of events would turn Ukrainians against Poland and revive Banderism. It would be more of a headache than any gain.
@@MyPrideFlag no one wants to rule over ethnic Ukrainians… not Russians, not Poles, not Hungarians, nor Romanians… not even ethnic Ukrainians themselves!!! Haha that is one reason Ukraine is so corrupt. Any leader who resists the corruption ends up dead. At the same time Russia will NOT tolerate a functioning Ukrainian state… no matter how small. The EU states have been encouraging the war in Ukraine so they should bear the consequences of its outcome. I believe it’s in the interest of Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria to enter a confederation of “neutral” states… similar to how Austria was during the Cold War. They would have to leave NATO and the EU, but those organizations are parasites upon these countries anyway. Poland is basically defending all of the EU and taking all the risks. Eastern EU states are having their wealth skimmed off by wealthier western states. If a Polish led coalition signed a separate peace agreement with Russia it would be a win for everyone. There is only 20 million people left in Ukraine and they could be resettled in the EU… widely distributed based on population. Poland and the other countries could divide up western Ukraine and make full use of its potential. It would be the best case scenario for the Ukrainians as well… being small minorities in stable, wealthy European countries rather than being in a fascist, corrupt, and unstable country. A Polish led coalition of European states would be strong enough to stand up against any Russian aggression. The economic benefits would be immense… as they would be a hub for trade both east and west and north and south.
3:40 there was no Hungarian navy. it was the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine. and Hungary was "not a large power" but simply the junior partner in an AUSTRO-Hungarian Empire. Hungarian elites worked so long and so hard to break away from that "stranglehold" of Vienna that they perhaps unwittingly contributed to the downfal of that empire
@gaborjuhasz5610 Vienna did exist - since Roman times. but I wasn't talking about the medieval kingdom, which was completely destroyed by the Turks. neither was the author of this video. so your argument completely misses the point. that is something completely different from Hungary as part of the Habsburg domains. or do you forget the fact that for 400 years, Hungary was owned by an Austrian dinasty?
@@tombombadil9123 No . We newer forget your behave.... Like supply cannons for the osmans against us.... Or how to robbed out our country many times... Yeah we remember..... How you mascared us.... Yeah you can be wery proud your past.... 😁😁😁 You even get land from us in 1921,but the war started with those dirty Hasburgs ... By the Vivadona=wiena? Just like the others around us you want a accient history,when you're not really have any
battle on the Marchfeld - read about this. Habsburgs thank their existence only hungarian support. They were nowhere when Hungary was one of Europe most powerfull state...
Perhaps, but its neighbours are not indulging Hungary's revisionism. Article 1 of the Romanian Constitution defines the country as a "sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible national state." As a result of this provision, any ethnic-based territorial autonomy, including that of the Székely Land, would be unconstitutional, as stated by The Supreme Council of National Defence of Romania.
As a Clujean (aka Kolozsvár) I don't mind living our lives along the Hungarian minorities, I have a lot of friends, I'm the godfather for one of my mates whom are Romanian - Hungarian, learned even some basics of the language, we are living peacefully, they have a lot of rights including being able to walk trough the Romanian school from kindergarten to university all in taught in Hungarian, I'm all into living peacefully, but threatening the borders of Romania dose make me ... upset, enough to say that the Romanian Army did visited Budapest once 100 years ago an it can do it again if threatened, but I hope we can still be frenemies at worst, good neighbours at our best withing EU, helping each other not clinging to the past of our great grandparents.
You are delusional if you think Hungary would ever send in troops to occupy Transylvania. It will be done economically and diplomatically -- and if Romania maintains the current regime, the State would be just fine with granting Transylvania independent status (as a first step).
There would never have been war in 1919 if the Romanians didn’t destabilize the Hungarian republic.. just saying. And this time around maybe the Hungarians won’t be as fortunate
the romanian army invaded hungary after the signing of the peace treaty, and the ragged, barefoot army plundered, murdered and destroyed everything in its path. First you talk of peace, then you threaten war. The Romanians are rightly afraid of a revision, they own stolen land.
@@schutzanzug4518 you mean kick out the reds after they declared war on the neighbors? The only destabilization inflicted on the huns was limiting the standing army in case something like 1919 happened. The romanian army raised a romanian boot (opinca) on the flagpole in Budapest (that cleaned the grudges dating back to the medieval period) and left 1 year once the elections were done. It was Horty, and before the bots come screaming occupation, Horty invading checho-slovakia, iugoslavia, transilvanya once the 3rd Reich gave the romanian army a 24h ultimatum to vacate (after the SU did the same in eastern half of Moldova, this second time led to the military taking over government and the rest is history) and even their 1919 allies, the SU. And Horty stood in power until the germans took him down when the war was lost.
@@cristibrad6742 The Romanian army kept pushing the boarder of Hungary back before the treaty after the Hungarian army disbanded. This caused the Hungarian republic to capitulate and a communist government to take over. Then this state fought back againsed romanians, then they were called the aggressors! Insane how rewritten your history is
I wish the EU was able to bring European countries closer together. But it probably has too many policies in place that don't regulate economic growth or stability wich were the founding principles of the EU. Also it would help a lot if we had some damn oil. Thankfully the Russians are opressing their population and are afraid of losing power so they dont allow companies to grow too powerful. Otherwise we Europeans would probably fade into irrelevance in the next centuries. The next biggest problem is probably that we dont have big internet companies that secure our data. We don't trust the chinese to build G5 but nobody even questions the Americans? They don't even try to hide the fact that they spy on us. Thats a big problem politicly and economically. Well if our governments are that naive than they probably deserve it.
the EU’s main goal is the establish a Superstate a authoritarian state that reduces your rights to being nothing but a corporate slave of a meaningless multiethnic supercorporation with no tradition or national pride like the United States is today. the EU second goal is the bring in million of economic surfs from AFRICA ASIA AND THE MIDDLE EAST to slave away next while the Brussels elite live in their segregated neighborhood like Apartheid SOUTH AFRICA.
This is why I understand Hungary has a chip on it's shoulder but also find it despicable that their leaders of late talk of "sovereignty" while having irredentist aspirations that essentially exposes the desire of Hungarian leaders to make the country a sort of a multi-ethnic empire into itself. Orban, though having some points on the bureaucratic issues of the EU, along with his certain sensible takes on being a leader that cater Hungarian interests, is still a slimy character that must be looked upon with suspicion for his very self-serving policies while catering to states that led to the oppression of the very same country when Hungary was a satellite state in the Warsaw Pact which was crushed in 1956 when its populace rebelled against Russian/Soviet aggression.
Supporting Russia when it's using the exact same tactics the USSR used to justify invading Hungary is unconscionable, every Hungarian round the world should be outraged. Orban is a traitor, end of story.
@@EarthForces Everybod yknow that todays EU wants a more federal system. So I dont get how sovereignty isnt a valid point. Not like most easter european countries arent anti EU. Not liek your comment made any specific points. I cant disprove the void.
Greetings from Finland. I would like if we could build relations with the Hungarians as it is rare for us to us to interact with others whose language might make at least some sense to us, but it seems that the Hungarian leaders do not want to even attempt to get along. We could disagree on some things but try to build relations based on everything else, but it seems like they are not willing. I do hope that there's good, peaceful and prosperous future ahead for the Hungarians and would like to visit some day too (In the winter ofc, I'm a Finn). Also would like to go to other places than the biggest cities, not fan of big population centers.
You have to understand that Orban and his gang, are textbook narcissists with no other interests than narcissistic supply. Whether it is more power, more money, more influence, but they are not interested in building colaborations with coutries like yours, because you don't have anything in common with their political agenda. If you want to get closer to hungary, and built a relationship, you should try it with the regular hungarian people.
@@Maria..Carina-y6x There's limited opportunities to do that with regular Hungarian people. Only come across a few when gaming for +20 years. Our relations with Russia have been complicated last about 900 years. I've gotten along with many many regular Russians despite the national level politics. I know it for a fact that people can get along splendidly despite such problems.
Who doesn't want to have good relationship with Finland, our distant cousins? The Hungarian government sure wants it and it's very open to it. But as long as the Finnish people vote in progressive liberal parties to power (the likes who put forward characters like Sanna Marin), parties who jump immediately on the bandwagon when it comes to attacking / criticizing Hungary on the European scene, there will be no good relations. Put someone to power who is representing Finland's interests and not the mainstream globalist narratives.
@justskip4595, maybe Finland and the west stops talking form the high horse, maybe if you gust stop "education us" how to be good citizen of EU, maybe if you are see us as partners and not some primitive Eastern Europeans, maybe than we could get along then. Till you do not leave arrogancia behind you will never be a partner to on one. So to make it more clear to you, how would you like if we Hungarians start to criticize your lifestyle the way you do thing and the huge level of antisemitism in your country which is happening right now. On top of that we would start lying about your county on the international stage, make some false claims and then we would look done on you and say poor poor Finland we can not even talk to them they ares so primitive. So how would you like that?
@@Maria..Carina-y6x what you are saying is a textbook libtard propaganda, because if it is not true what you are saying than the other option is that there is life beyond liberal democracy and this is a frightening tough for you. And no it is not dictatorship. Jut remember time is on our side.
Trianon obviously went too far and was completely unfair. Taking non-Hungarian land from it was fine, but stripping it of territory mostly populated by Hungary was unjust. Vae victis has its limits. But now most of these territories have been ethnically cleansed anyway so there is no going back.
" stripping it of territory mostly populated by Hungary " false & quite the opposite. IT was MOSTLY populated by other ethnicities. Use your eyes if you have them, just don't look at hungarian statistics.
@@DacianRider that's not even what the comment said. They were pointing out that some of the territory was majority Hungarian, which is entirely true. They also said that taking non-Hungarian majority land made sense. Now you're the revisionist.
@@DacianRiderNot all (far from it) but *some* of the territories taken from Hungary were still mostly populated by Magyars. Like southern Slovakia, northern Serbia or Transylvania. This was highly hypocritical from powers like Wilson's USA.
The eu needs a reform that allows a member state to be kicked out if there is unanimity. Hungary makes so much problems in the EU, they are blocking everything including aid to Ukraine. Hungary just collects money from us. We should use more help to prepare other countries that really want to join the eu and are close to do it for example Albania, North Macedonia and Montenegro.
In fact, for the second year now, I have been surprised by the fact that there is no mechanism for excluding a country from the EU. I'm not talking about the circus when Russia chairs the UN and Iran chairs the human rights forum. Seriously - this is some kind of circus.
Because the EU was made for larger countries to control smaller countries. Its all politics. Hungarians are just stubborn and refuse to be controlled out-right. The French wanted an easier way to control the east and create a "wall" to prevent Russian advancement from moving east so they crippled Central Europe. Divide and conquer. The small countries are easier to control through faux unity disguised as the EU.
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As a Hungarian I agree with that "when you have no future, you live in the past". (John Grisham) - And I'm sure that there is a big plan in Orban's brain, because he is a great strategicm but he is liar, unfair. Sometimes I hate being Hungarian because he is our prime minister.
I say: it is not mandatory being Hungarian "rather few lions than many rabbits ..." ... just take the easier way of living (cowardly) ... melt in and dissapear in irrelevance ... Hungarians are people who want to make a difference in the world!
Putin did not say that collapse of the Soviet Union was “the greatest tragedy in history”. He said it was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century”. Careful with your words there, that’s a huge difference and is misleading.
The Treaty of Trianon was kinda unfair, leaving too many ethnic Hungarians outside the new Hungary borders. These treaties usually just cause more problems going forward.
How was it unfair for the Austro-Hungarian Empire to cede land after its defeat? If the enemy had been defeated, would it have ceded land to Hungary? War is fair! Hungary, a small and small country, always challenges the EU's values in Europe. Do you really think Hungary is very powerful?
Just wanted to say that it seems a bit unfair that Hungary lost about 31% of its Hungarian population, considering the ethnic map from 1920. For example, Germany lost about 10% in the same way. However, today it is rather too late for such revisions, and the borders tend to be erased with the EU federalization anyway.
bro you are dumb, the treatry was fair as austrohungary lost the war and so as much land can be taken as the invader can take and hold, also it was to liberate many ethnic ppl like slovaks and romanians from the oppressive maygars. Not only that but the new states took many lands to make sure they had good defense borders if hungary ever wanted to invade its former lands again, which it did in 1919 but lost to romania the slovaks and czechs, with aid from france, but budapest was still invaded by romania that all maygars seem to not mention lol. Unfortually the new borders of czechoslovakia romania and serbia were not perfect in defense, as slovakia should have got more of the matras to have mountains in the south to plug up the gaps against hungary, and some of the 3 rivers below kosice for better defense, as romania should have all the lands east of the tisa river, serbia is still screwed as all the lands north of it is just plains so no defense there. yet the allies did not do that as 60% of the kingdom of hungary was already taken, and too many maygars would be outside of hungary, like mayve half of all maygars in europe would live outside of hungary. Causing a huge risk of civil war in the new nations formed after wwi, and even if they forced them all to move to the smaller hungary like we did to the germans to germany and austria after wwii, it would be like 8 million ppl all crammed into a hungary that is half the size of hungary today. Causing too much economic crisis, food shortage, and homeless ppl as that is too much ppl for a small state that does not have the infurstruction to support everyone, when before their system relied on a system that had like 3 times the land.
@@p1jos1s wrong, 750,000 maygars were in czechoslovakia and 1.5 million in romania after wwi, making a total of 2.25 million maygar living outside of hungary, you can round up to 2.3 million if you include the very small amounts in ukraine, austria, crotia, serbia, and slovenia. At the hieght of the kingdom of hungary during wwi the amount of maygars in the kingdom was 9,94 million. meaning 2.3 million / 9.94 million comes out to 23%. As 5.5 million germans in poland during 1944-1945 and another 3.325 million from poland during 1946-1948 were kicked out, and 3 million from czechoslovakia and 250,000 from Hungary were also kicked out after wwii, making about a total of 12 million germans kicked out of former german terrorites and into mainly germany and some to austria, not only that but some reports say about 3 million germans also fled to avoid the red army before the end of wwii so like about 15 million germans were displaced, as the population of germany was 80 million, making about 18.75% of germans in europe be displaced, now many of them returned to germany or austria so compared to hungary germany kepted many of its ppl, but still about 15 million germans lives being uprooted is more tramaticed than 2.25 million maygars who stayed in their homes and villages and cities with just them being under a new government ruled by nonmaygars, who did not abuse them. Yes some stupid maygar will say they are abused as their culture and langauge does not come first in slovakia or romania, but thats all nations, their main ethnic group comes first, i do not see slovak or serbia being a primary lanugage in hungary to or back during 1918 when slovaks and romaninas combined maybe up like 23.5% of hungary's population.
Hi! very interesting video! I was wondering if you could explain what your sources were for this video? The sources in the bio are a little unclear. thank you!
Some tips for a more nuanced understanding of video content. Due to the division of roles in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy before the First World War, the Hungarians had their own military affairs and did not pursue foreign policy, so they had no influence on the military leadership and attack directions during the First World War. For this reason, at the end of World War I, the Hungarians did not have a network of relations between the countries and did not have an interest representation system, so during the Trianon negotiations, significant distortions, misdirections, and shifts occurred during the establishment of ethnic borders, in favor of the newly created countries. In a painful way, these territories were not acquired by other countries because of military activities, but through administrative decisions. At the end of the First World War, the old country borders were intact, and there were no foreign soldiers in the old territories of Hungary. The victorious federal system (Entente) demanded the disarmament of the Hungarian military and then promised fair, ethnically based peace negotiations. When this was achieved, the armies of the new states invaded, occupied and looted these territories without resistance, then carried out ethnic transformations, liquidated tens of thousands of people, and deported millions. All this happened under the supervision and tacit consent of the victorious powers. (The vast majority of Hungarian families today were affected by these displacements and separations.) Then, at the Trianon negotiations, the newly, absurdly created territorial borders were approved. An example of this is the union of Transylvania with Romania. In the fall of 1918, the 10-20% Romanian population living there announced their territorial accession to Romania, a decision that was later accepted as a fact by the great powers. This means something like if the Muslims living in today's mosques in Marseille or Lyon in France announced their accession to Algeria, or the Cuban emigrants staying in the American area of Miami annexed the area of Miami to Cuba. Around 6 million Hungarians still lived in the annexed areas, who lived and continue to live under economic, political and linguistic restrictions, as, for example, restrictions on the political and economic life, right to private property, and language use for Hungarians are still in force in Slovakia today. After that, with the border changes of the great powers in 1938/39 (still in peacetime), new borders were created, approximately in accordance with the actual ethnic borders, which were abolished again by the Paris peace negotiations that ended the Second World War. It is no coincidence that there is still considerable skepticism towards Western states. During the economic changes that began in 1990 after the Soviet occupation, these same large countries gained significant economic importance, their dominance once again overwhelmed the country's economy and significantly drained the country's human resources. Western economies allow limited inflow of goods produced here (unless they are produced by the multinational companies they own), so many people see the possibility of an economic breakthrough towards the opening to the East. Hungarians do not look east for political or social reasons, but only for pragmatic economic reasons. Since this subordination and economic and human resource exploitation is the ideal state for today's western countries, they do not want to change it in any significant way, and therefore there is not much chance for a new economic prosperity or a reduction of the current subjugated state. The new fault lines resulting from the current direction of the Union do not make the West, and the adaptation and integration expected from it, any more attractive. From now on, it seems that the leadership of the Union does not seek the rise and development of Europe, but rather serves the economic and political goals of the USA, rather than European interests The I. and II. The countries of the territories annexed by World War II can only be found today in traces, yet the Hungarians living there (ca. 4 million) still live there as hostages, and Hungarian inscriptions cannot be placed on the cultural heritage found there. The divided part of Germany was able to be reunited in 1990, the countries of Yugoslavia split up on ethnic grounds, Czechoslovakia split up on ethnic grounds, why can't this happen with the Hungarian nation as well??!!
LMAOOOO the amount of missinfornation just form the FIRST 2 PARAGRAPGHS is absolutely CRAZY. First of all the romanians in transylvania were an absolute majority with 54% and that's a fact, you can search it on any unbiased source, i agree that around oradea and satu mare there was a clear hungarian majority. The reason trianon was so cruel to hungary was because after you were asked to disarm, you started a communist government and attacked czechoslovakia and occupied it. Afterwards the romanians ran through you like through butter all the way to budapest where those lootings actually happened, which is, I agree, unfair. Keep in mind there was no trianon and no done negotiations yet when you started those stupid attacks. After the entente saw that you are still dangerous and you would start another war whenever you get the chance if you have power, they decided to punish you hard to make you less powerful so you dont start any wars, even though you did anyway. And dont start fucking talking about oppression after how cruel magyaryzation was. It was the most scandalous ethnic cleansing in the 20th century until ww2. Slovaks romanians, serbs being forced to use hungarian otherwise they couldnt trade, go to school, work, newspapers only in hungarian, school only in hungarian, churches only hungarian. And thats without forgetting all the centuries before when you misstreated romanians the worst, like subhumans, as many historic figures say. And we shall not talk what you all did in ww2. You are always the victim, never take accountabilty. While Trianon was harsh, I agree, you cant start playing the victim and spread false information
where is the territorial autonomy of the 5 million Hungarians under occupation in the Carpathian basin ??????? ..what goes to the Catalans--to the Irish in the north--to the Austrians in South Tyrol...it goes to the 5 million Hungarians too!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............
5 mil hungarians there?!? this kind of lies, false reports, exaggerated statistics you guys tried to present in Paris, cancelled for you any chance of debate
@@MioaraAntochi assimilation ?...name ?..parents? grandparents?...officially, there may not be 5 million..but unofficially there are....with the many assimilated...let's look at their names...parents---grandparents' names !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. .....in 1910, 1.7 million Slovaks lived in the highlands....in 1953, 4.5 million ?....joke.. ! where did they come from?...Hungarians...etc...and this is the case in the whole Carpathian basin!!!in the Carpathian Basin, many 1,000 Hungarian schools and kindergartens were closed after 1920!
Until now Turkey invaded Syria 3 times and is expanding its infrastructure there: Schools, telecommunications, banking, administration. They drove out the Kurds (ethnic cleansing). One could see this as preparation for an annexation. And they support the Islamists in Libya. There is a small Turkish or Turk-descended population there. Also, they could try to create a land bridge between Turkey and Azerbaijan. One people, two states. Which gives Turkey the possibility to move troops on the Iranian border and have access to the Caspian Sea. North Iran is inhabited by lots of Azerbaijanis. Turkey has a lot of "projects" running, and I guess as long as Greece doesn't become a pacifist country, the threat is low compared to these other locations.
@@Huminahumina465 oh wow, how amazing that they conquered people with scarcely better than medieval technology. You really love colonialism, don't you?
Can you please make video how Polish policy towards Hungary changed after Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was quite a rude awakening from your illusion about brothers in arms and bottles...
I'm afraid I must disappoint you. Hungarian Polish relations are too old and too strong to ruin it with one conflict. Just think! It survived both world wars and all conflicts back to medieval Europe.
Current polish regime in fact stabbed Hungary in the back with some public speech. Speaking about alliing with Romania was an extreme insult on Hungarians. Now we will see how polish get their reward and getting ruined in under the reign of Tusk lolz. However we still know a regime is not the same as ppl, so we still praying for Polland. As the old Hungarian saying tells, we love polish ppl really, but we never loved them because of their cleverness.
Hungarians never mix up the government with the people/nation. Even in WWII Hungarian soldiers never shot at Polish soldiers. At the time of the Warsaw uprising Hungarian soldiers offered a corridor to the Poles to come and go from the city. So, a thousand years old friendship among people can't be broken just because of temporary governments.
The amount of people I see thinking that Greater Hungary only existed within the Austrian empire and not before that is simply astonishing..... Please guys get a history book or something Justice for Hungary ✌
This video also suggests that Hungary should forget the 3 million hungarians around us, who were torn away from us in 1920! Disgusting! And what about the austrian autonomy in South Tirol, Italy? The hungarians don't deserve what the austrian minority has in Italy??....
Seems like he took great inspiration from Pootin!!
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As a Hungarian I have to say, I rarely see a spot on analysis on the Hungarian government, even though the NER was a bit over represented. NER is just a political idea and only for the FIDESZ fanatics. There's still free press in the country and frankly everyone else using NER in a negative connotation or even as a joke. I wouldn't think Orban revisionist dreams are honest. Hungary has nowhere near the military power, to try to occupy even the ukranian part of the "big hungary". All the paddle seems much more focused on just to holding onto power and push Hungary more and more towards the eastern dictatorships. Hence the friendliness with the serbian president AND with the re-elected Fico in Slovakia, who is by the way a proud hungarian hater. That somehow does not bother Orban...
Even though I like Hungary this is a problem that I've always seen present among Hungarians. Irredentism and frustration runs far deeper than in any other nation of the zone. I want them to know that here in Romania we will fight for every single centimeter of our country.
If I might add, perhaps Romania should grant greater linguistic and cultural autonomy while maintaining national control over Magyar settled areas. If the ethnic Magyars in Romania felt more comfortable inside Romania it might dull the revisionists in Budapest.
@@pwp8737 as I recall ethic magyars elect theyr representives in the parliament and have been in power in goverment for most of the time of the last 35 years since the revolution, I mean I think they should demand themselfs from theyr representatives specific solutions to specific problems they have , instead of electing election cycle after election cycle the same old corrupt party and politicians that don't do barely anything to improve those communities and prefers to steal the funds and resources that they manage. My opinion
@@stefanionutalexandru6916 both our views are not mutually exclusive. Greater cultural autonomy and more accountability would lessen the irredentism from Hungary and strengthen Romania in the long term.
@@pwp8737 maybe hungarians in romania should be loyal citizens of romania first and foremost and come forth with projects and ideas that could benfit all of the country instead of constant threats and blackmail for theyr self centered interest, maybe hungarians in romania should try to respect romania and romanians and stop bitching and sking orbans ass and ideology about greater hungary, just saying, at this rate , the Hungarian community will have a president in romania in 100 years instead of 20, you narrow mind ,hive mentality ,lack of vision pises of sht . Think of it more as of constructive criticism rather than an insult from a person that likes the Hungarian community and hungary in general from romania. Fya , I'm all for minorities rights, language facilities and more, up until the word autonomous region pops up, until I feel that hungarians in ro are first romanians And then hungarians, and until I have absolutely no doubt that secession in a possible future has no possibility of occuring, until then I'd rather have a civil war than give autonomy to some wolf's in sheep's clothing, not to mention until I see hungary look more like finland in terms of democracy and culture rather than Nazi germany before it entered the war( in a 21th century , eu and nato member kinda way of course)
@@pwp8737Hungarian minority in Romania already elects its own representatives in the counties and towns they are inhabiting. They learn in hungarian language from kindergarden to university. They are free to asociate with whomever they choose to, and nobody in Romania demands them to declare themselves as foreign agents. They can spwak hungarian whenever they want, to whomever they want. Nobody stops them. They can practice their religious cults without persecution or interference. WHAT ELSE DO THEY WANT?
I see most people spitting shit on Hungary and Orban. Revizionism is not Orban's invention. It is completely natural when you lose 70% of your territory which you owned for a millennia. Interesting to see the hatred, misunderstanding, not wanting to understand the situation. First decades came the ban of "irredentism" now you cannot even mourn your loss. Because then you are shit. My paternal ancestry (german-hungarian) were kicked out of so called Czechoslovakia in 1919. They could carry 0 bags, just go, because they were Hungarians or pro Hungarians. Here people spitting shit and hatred on Hungary, because they cannot accept a horrible trauma. While all of these haters hang on their still newly acquired territory. A Ukrainian blames Hungary for caring Hungarians in Subcarpathia? Where there were no Ukrainians living when they got it in 1945??? Really? Would a Romanian accept Wallachia to cut into pieces or Moldva? An Englishmen would accept 70% taken away, Manchester, Newcastle all gone? What about a Noorwegian or French??? I guess no! You could brake the spin of the German expelling 10-12 million while massacring a couple of hunfredthousands after war, planting the blame in their minds, brainwashing them with the guilty nation stuff, just because you were afraid, that 3rd time, you would lose, and then Vae Victis, you would get same treatment what you gave for the Central Powers. Because the roots of 2nd world war goes back to the 1st. Now you can afraid only of Hungary, who has not succumbed, not forgetting their past and trying to take care of his brothers. You could have made gestures, but you never did, just cementing your power and make homogenising the newly acquired stuff (Eupen and Malmedy, Elsass-Lothringen, Transylvania, Upper-Hungary, South-Tirol, Silesia, Pomerania, East-Prussia). You could have given a fair treatment but you never did, and now you blame Hungary ... we rather die, but you not gonna break our spine like you did with Germans. I'm telling you, we have every right to be irredentist.
Benes decrees still active in Slovakia and still confiscate hungarian property refering to the decrees. They deported more hungarian and german than the nazis jew. Besides this they czechs give themselves to Hitler without a single shot and they emerged as "winners". Benes deported more hungarian and german than the nazis jew.
Really: Were Romanians ever asked, under the Hungarian rule, how it was like to live as second-class citizens? What about the other ethnic groups? Hungary was a prison for non-Hungarians!
@@abcMW1989 You had more rights than in any Western European country where especially since the french revolution the minorities eliminiated. Hungary was not a prison romanians flee to Transylvania from Wallachia for work and for better living conditions. The only region was the city of Sopron where the winners of ww1 let to vote where the population want to belong after the war. They highly voted for Hungary and not Austria despite the majority was german population and austria made a huge campagin before the vote.
While Orban is ultra-nationalist so is much of Hungary. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it revisionist. Men who grew up in post WW2 reconstruction are especially likely to hold a chip on their historic shoulder.
Orban is absolutely not ultra-nationalist, he is just normal, which shamefully can be stated in relations of almost no other european leaders in general.
Orban ultra nationalst?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 tell that to the Hungarian far right too. Ridiculous. May be in the west kind of like Orban is ''far right'' but belive me he is far from that.
Correction: you cannot organise referendum on constitution (in Hungary). The reason is simple a referendum means that a simple majority can change the constitution. And that makes the system very fragile. The reason the Fidesz was able to do it is due to an extraordinary majority gained by successive elections.
And the video maker forgot the fact, that the old constitution was a patched up version of the 1948 Communist one. Apparently, the "civilized" West is never get triggered by the bloody past of the Communist crimes.
Hungary is not the enemy of the West, but the exact opposite. Hungary owes its greatest historical tragedy to the West. In 1920, the country was mutilated like no other country in the world. Millions of Hungarians in the annexed areas and in the neighboring countries still live in oppression, with curtailed rights. The fate of Hungary is a shame for the West.
The clickbait, erm, I mean the totally serious title says "Is Orbán's Hungary a Revisionist State" in present tense, to which the answer in present tense is no. It also was no 1999 when Bill Clinton suggested the mobilization of the Hungarian Army against Serbia, it was no in 2015 and again it was no in 2022 - 3 instances where Orbán was PM and a chance to be somewhat revisionist occurred @@georgedevries3992
Hungary didn't loose "his territories" these territories didn't belong to Hungary they where annexed and belonged to other people and kingdoms before Austria-Hungary even existed, so you can't be mad about loosing territory which you stole in the first place.
Turkey doesnt have claims on inhabited greek islands of the Aegean. The dispute is about small islets that arent mentioned in the treaty of Lausanne and they are willing to settle the matter in the international court of Hauge.
They are actually contesting the Dodecanese islands, which are inhabited. And the reason why they do that is because the Dodecanese islands were not subject to the Lausanne treaty. The Dodecanese belonged to Italy when the Lausanne treaty was signed, but Italy gave them to Greece after World War 2.
14:50 Europe live in post-libearism not liberalism. In the West the powers are not separated you can vote the same parties with different flags. The economy is not lead by market (e.g.: sanctions against russia or US customes for eastern companies) and individualism became enemy of the freedom.
Hungary "lost" Transylvania, Slovakia and Croatia because those regions were majority romanian, slovak, croat and the hungarians there just a minority.
@Protagorasz In Transylvania at that time romanians had no rights, they were not even recognized as a nation, they were merely slaves. I am sure that all the other affected nations have a similar story. At Trianon the nations were given a choice and they've made it. Have hungarians suffer at Trianon, of course they did but no more than the rest of the affected nations before Trianon. Hungarians never take into account the other nations around them, to them, only they exist and the rest can just shut up. In Transylvania there are seven million romanians. What would happen to them if Hungary gets its wish???
@Protagorasz blablabla, if you hungarians wanted a multhiethnic state in the first step you should not have alienated all ethnic minorities living in hungary. That is the reason why every nation living in hungary separated.
Three-time French Prime Minister André Tardieu in his book La paix: "It was not possible to hold a referendum in the Highlands separated from the Hungarians, because then Czechoslovakia would not have been created as a result of the population's counter-vote."
LOL. What a marxist propaganda. Especially clearly hungrian ethnic with 99% next to the hungarian border.... The croats, slovakians, prospered during hungarian ruled thats why became 5 million country today.
And before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, apparently people there happily spoke Hungarian or Ukrainian or both. But now, because Russia used language as one of the many false justifications for its terror, those of Hungarian descent in the area are beginning to speak Ukrainian as an expression that they see themselves as Ukrainian. I think Putin and Orban have been awful for their respective populations, their cultures, and now, their languages.
Its fascist propaganda ukrainian far right alongside with european far left pressing, and some lunatics in russia babbling about nuking various european countries, babbling about as well.
Austria?? Not really, they're also completely in the pocket of Russia. And they're increasing their dependency even more on Russian gas and oil... Crazy stuff. I mean what happens for example if Ukraine stops transporting anything through their country?? This is actually guaranteed when the contract expires next year. What happens if Bulgaria decides to stop all Russian gas to pass through their country? which they've been discussing?? All of Europe has made sacrifices to replace their Russian vulnerability, buying more expensive stuff if needed... the only exceptions? Austria and Hungary... nobody will feel bad for them.
I'm a hungarian from over the border, Serbia. In 2010 there was a governmental action, that any Hungarian can get HUN citizenship from the former territories. As soon as i got my hungarian citizenship (double citizenship, on the proof that my grandmother was born in Hungarian territory in 1942), I have emigrated to an EU country. So did many other hungarians, and in just 10 years the number of hungarian people in Serbia shrunk by 40 thousand people to a respective number of 130,000. So did everywhere in the rest of the former territories. This idea of revision is nice, but it's just a fantasy, nothing less, nothing more. Maybe he bases some of his propaganda on this, but it's something he will never tell himself publicly. In other words, fooling an entire nation, as all politicians do.
the citizenship act is not revisionist at all all it is that it gives Fidesz a permanent reliable votebank that will vote for Orban because he is the only one that will guarantee their citizenship and voting rights as ethnic Hungarians.
@@davidboskovic6581 yes they can Governments can at anytime withdraw citizenship for any group they desire. for example if a government hates redheads then they can pass a parliamentary act that strips redheads of their citizenship. the same can happen to you. granted I dont know Hungary’s oppositions policy on giving citizenship to people based on ethnic origin even though its common practice in most EU countries Like Ireland France and Poland.
From the looks of him, if he doesn't lay off the szalonna the world isn't going to be troubled by Viktor Orban much longer. That raises the question of succession. If he's done as thorough a job of disposing of anyone who might adequately replace him as most of his sort typically do (for fear that they might not want to wait), Hungary isn't going to pose much of a threat to anyone but Hungarians.
"The main loser of WWI and WWII was Hungary. Trianon was unjust. Hungary was always respectful of ethnical minorities within its territory." Exactly 116 years ago, the Hungarian Parliament adopted the 26th and 27th articles of the Hungarian Code, which, together with other regulations from 1908, are usually referred to as Apponyi's school laws. They were the last significant step that was supposed to contribute to the Magyarization of the whole Great Hungary. In elementary schools, the teaching of the Hungarian language was prescribed, so that in the fourth grade the pupil could express his thoughts in Hungarian in words and in writing. Conscious Hungarians should have come out of elementary schools, regardless of what their mother tongue was. It was only the culmination of a started process, the end of which was supposed to be a unified Hungarian nation speaking the Hungarian language. The laws bear the name of their creator, who was the Minister of Culture and Education, Albert Apponyi. In Slovakia, his name became synonymous with the peak of violent Magyarization. In the Hungarian national consciousness, according to contemporary Hungarian historian József Demmel, these laws are known only hazily. Apart from a few focused experts, almost no one knows about them. In Hungary, Apponyi's name is more associated with the unsuccessful Trianon peace negotiations after the First World War, which ended in 1920 with the definitive fall of the Great Hungary. The 70s of the 18th century were a turning point for Slovaks in the Great Hungary. In 1875, Matica slovenská (National institution for Slovak interests) was abolished. Its building in the town of Martin was designated for government institutions, the government confiscated the funds and later used them to finance Magyarization associations. They immediately abolished the Slovak high schools. Kálman Tisza made no secret of his aim to make the whole society Hungarian. His intention was to start at an early age, that is why he advocated the systematic introduction of Hungarian into schools. The School Law of 1879 legislated Hungarian as a compulsory language in all primary schools in the Great Hungary. Its goal was that every citizen could learn the state language. The law on secondary schools from 1883 caused the complete Magaryzation of all state high schools. Hungarian language and literature became compulsory subjects for all students, who also had to take the final exam in Hungarian. It is worth stopping at the Kálman Tisza´s school law, because a rare phenomenon occurred here - an influential Hungarian member of parliament spoke out against it. In it we find an example of a Hungarian politician who decided to go against the flow and that was his end. Lajos Mocsáry, a nobleman and a fearless man who advocated the granting of autonomous status to minorities, accused the proponents of the law directly contradicting the nationality law of 1868, which generally existed only on paper and was not implemented in practice at all. Mocsáry did nothing but stick to his own program, which advocated the rights of nationalities. He also spoke out against the abolition of Matica slovenská. In the parliament, he spoke for the expansion of nationality rights and against the Magyarization policy. The Independent party later expelled him. In 1889, Mocsáry was again elected to parliament, this time supported almost exclusively by Romanian voters. Nevertheless, he ended up as a political mummy, because his Hungarian colleagues wanted nothing to do with him. The most severe, Apponyi school laws were adopted by the government in 1907. Another part of the law was that after the end of the fourth grade, children in all schools must be able to speak and write the Hungarian language. They were also allowed to speak only in Hungarian. Pictures from Hungarian history had to hang in the classrooms.Teachers were required to take an oath in Hungarian in presence of a government inspector. They could not bypass it in any way, because if they refused, they would be prosecuted for anti-state thinking. The government thus controlled all schools, state and church. Such school laws are unthinkable for us today, while they were created only a little over a hundred years ago. In the literature, the statement of the Hungarian member of parliament Béla Grünwald from his book Felvidék from 1878 is often mentioned, where he writes that "the secondary school is like a big machine, where hundreds of Slovaks enter at one end and come out as Hungarians at the other". This was the goal of Apponyi's laws.The subject of Hungarian language often surpassed all the others combined in number of lessons, but it usually did not teach the children fluent Hungarian. The reason was simple. After leaving school, they stuck to their Slovak or Romanian, as their parents taught them. The result was rather a decrease in the quality of teaching, because next to Hungarian language, there was less time left for other subjects or their teaching became incomprehensible to the pupils in Hungarian. Czech teacher Karel Kálal, who personally visited Slovakia in those days, wrote: "I tested several Slovak children from Hungarian schools and I was convinced that they did not know the multiplication, they did not know the world sides, they did not even know the clock, but above all: they had no opinion." Another consequence of the harsh school laws was the escape of students to schools abroad. Then they returned to the Great Hungary with rebellious views. Slovaks left for Bohemia and Moravia, where the conditions for the national rights were incomparable. Before the First World War, teaching in Slovak was practically stopped in public schools in Slovakia. Only one-sixth of children received information in Slovak in primary schools. In 1913, statistics said that in the Great Hungary (together with Croatia) there were 369 primary schools with at least partial teaching in the Slovak language, no high school with the Slovak language. In terms of percentage, primary schools with the Slovak language made up two percent of all primary schools in the Great Hungary, for high schools it was zero. And this despite the fact that the 1910 census, which bore strong signs of manipulation, registered 1.97 million people speaking Slovak as their mother tongue in the Great Hungary, which means that they made up 9.4 percent of the total number. The numbers for the most numerous nation say that in the Great Hungary Hungarian native speakers numbered 10.05 million (48.1 percent) and had 13,692 primary schools (73.6 percent of the total). In high schools, the proportion with Hungarian as the teaching language was even higher - 84.9 percent. Comparing the numbers leads to a single conclusion - the policy of Magyarization of education was slowly coming to a succesful end. The Hungarians only needed to acquire the remaining one quarter of all primary schools and a little more than one tenth of secondary schools in order to be completely homogeneous. If we deduct from all these numbers the Croats, who had a semi-autonomous status and had ten percent of primary and nine percent of secondary schools, then the numbers for the Hungarians would be even more favorable and the final goal even closer. Education was supposed to be the most effective method of Magyarization, because it took things straight from the floor. However, there were many more methods among the adult population. ...The Slovak deputy, Ferdiš Juriga, elected in 1910, became famous in mid-October 1918 when he declared in the Hungarian Parliament that the Slovaks had created their own national council, which would decide their fate. He indicated a possible connection between the Slovaks and the Czechs. The lower house laughed at him, and a few days later Albert Apponyi declared: "We do not know Czechoslovakia, Bohemia is a reality, the rest is just a formula." A year later, Apponyi, as the head of the Hungarian delegation at the peace negotiations in Paris, asked the victorious post-war powers to preserve historic Hungary "in the name of civilization, because only this state is capable of ensuring peace, order and prosperity for the population." Aponnyi remained the same person and, as a sign of his unchanging attitude, did not sign the humiliating Treaty of Trianon. It was signed by designated representatives, who then disappeared from public life.
Currently Slovaks are irritated by Hungarian minorities who do not want to learn the language of the country. This long litany is exactly about that: the Hungarian Kingdom expected the Slovak minority to speak the official language of the country. Like the US expects Mexicans to speak English, so I don't really understand the problem.
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how do you make your maps??
@@Hollgersson using geolayers3, an adobe after effects plugin that costs 300$
It is rather obvious that association of Orban with revisionist states, make Poland associated with those. Due to Kremlin pushed conspiracy theory of spiting Ukraine. Even if in reality government of Kaczyński, was seeking ally against Germany in EU. Due to fear of Germany receiving similar propose from Moscow (Sikorki confirmed that Russia did give him this proposition, what he reported to NATO but was ignored). When German sucking pipe and acting in denial, strongly implied could be the case. Even if now we know that Germans were honesty oblivious and eventual talks didn't go beyond Merkel, who didn't treat it seriously.
Russia strait refused Ukrainians claims of neutrality. Only pulling back to it when they army was annihilated. But at this point Ukraine do not give a shit.
Hm yet another of those bloody countries who think that just coz some of their ethnicity lives/lived in certain area it historically fully belongs to them even if the area was always multi-ethnical throught the history. It's same exact sh*t Hitler was all about. Have you learned nothing?
27:35 Sergey Lavrov is not the defence minister of Russia, Lavrov is the minister of foreign affairs
Even prominent politicians in the west are extremely ignorant. What do you expect from a regular blogger? "We are so blessed having such stupid and ignorant people our enemies", Putin said.
To be fair, it can be hard to keep track of who is in or out at any given time...
In some countries that is a same position. In Croatia, we have the ministry of defence and foreign affairs as one ministr
Sergei Shoigu is quite famously the defense minister. This was a sloppy slip up on his part, esp for a geopolitics channel
good for you
Hungary is not a micro-state. That's a stupid comment. Monaco and San Marino are micro-states.
The whole video reeks of bias.
"Bias" meaning doesn't justify autocrats wanting to conquer lands?@@dchri18
I think he meant minor.
@@dchri18 The video must have been made by some pro-USA smartie! My message to him: More migrants, more migrants, more migrants!!! Then talk about it!
@@Anthony-db7cs So, have you asked the people if they want to do right by their ancestry or do you too think that "countries" are merely locations where economic transactions happen and therefore borders shouldn't matter?
As a Hungarian, I was raised in a "If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" spirit... but I fail to see how the EU didn't solve most problems that ever came from it. Borders don't mean anything now, you can travel from the Adriatic Sea to the Tatras without looking for your passport.... I don't know why we fight against that...
Politicians want citizens to feel pain because it is great populist tool to grow power around. Either Hungarians let the wound heal and move on or they will be dammed by their own ruling class to suffer in anger while other nations will flourish in prosperity of friendship and cooperation. Politicians don't care about Hungarians' feelings, they don't want them to be happy and content because it is hard to manipulate such people, on the other hand angry and bitter people are easy to manipulate. Politicians surely know that within NATO and EU redrawing borders is unlikely but they will keep the wound open just because they know it will be at least easy to get reelected and voters will be too bitter at the ghosts to notice that they are being manipulated. It is actually crazy how obvious it is that whole "lets build the society upon Trianon" idea doesn't have a 'good' outcome with salvation unless whole Europe collapses and Hungary somehow aligns itself with some alliance which will allow it to retake lost lands. Either way it is so unlikely or so fake used purely for manipulation that in vast majority of historical outcomes Hungarians will continue suffering from anger and bitterness being injected to them by their ruling class just because it is easier them to manipulate and not because undoing Trianon is even remotely likely.
As a Hungarian I can tell this person is telling you all a people pleasing lie. You "were raised If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" is simply not in the proximity of truth. You were thought a lesson that you compleatly ignoring the meat of. We like everybody on this planet learn about our own history because noone else will. I am pretty sure that nobody expects the Chinese to feel good about the century of humiliation or the Polish to not care about the partitioning of their country. Also teaching facts about said history and a teacher being there who demands that you know them are not extraordinary at all. Do people think about what they had been though? Why would not they? "I was raised" uuuhh my... I was forced to feel pain.... ooo my... like I should insert a picture here from the movie Clockwork Orange..... Only thing you have been forced to is learn like anyone.
Good to see the "wind of change" in the Hungarian youth.
@@gergelyoskolas182 it's definitely real, I have heard the very same thing not just from family but also from my all my history teachers
Schengen and EU are not the same thing
Hungary did not lose Croatia in Trianon. The map you are showing at 3:00 says "Countries of the Hungarian Holy Crown" that is a personal union of Hungary and Croatia. Croatia was a separate entity.
Plus there was no "Hungarian Royal Navy" stationed in Fiume. There was only an Austro-Hungarian navy that was stationed in Pola and Cattaro (Pula and Kotor) while Fiume (Rijeka) was the commercial port of Hungary. (That city did not belong to Croatia but Hungary.)
Perosonal union? Wtf fiction is that? Like Serbia was in "personal union" with Ottoman empire, America was in personal union with Britain, Tibet in personal union with China...
@@alexandartheserb7861 Fiction? When Stjepan II died in 1091, ending the Trpimirović dynasty, Dmitar Zvonimir's brother-in-law Ladislaus I of Hungary claimed the Croatian crown. This led to a war and personal union with Hungary in 1102 under Coloman.[53]
@@swinfeflue You mean Trpimirović from Knin throne which was untill 1995. settled 90% with Serbs? And Stjepan=Stefan, it was Nemanjic dinasty crown title. Read own Mavro Orbini from Dubrovnik 1600. Kingdom of Slavs and you will understand it better
@@alexandartheserb7861 bro Croatia had special status under the personal union. It is called a personal union in history books.
@@swinfeflue And mouse is called Mickey Mouse in books but Im talking about reality
"The amoral West is bad and Christianity is a bulwark against Islam.
Now let me tell you about my plan to get closer to amoral China and a nostalgic Turkey."
Great job there, Mr. Orban.
Germany's biggest trade partner is China.
Islam is taking over Russia and Erdogan is basically an islamist. China is even a communist country. I find it weird how plastic identity politics can get.
I am not opposed to nationalism or even irredentism in some cases, but it really is not obvious to me what do these all these players have in common to build on. Russia takes what Russia can from European countries and its sympathizers can hope to become at most like Belarus, completely deprived of any power on their own.
It is sad that Hungarians don't always seem to remember who their enemies and opressors have always been.
Turkey and china are civilisation states that focus heavily on heritage, the west is ashamed of their heritage and is purposely replacing it. Doesn't take a genius to understand orbans thinking
NOT A GREAT JOB AS ORBAN IS A THICKO
@@anthony64632 Perhaps, but you don't appear intelligent either. Fully capitalized sentences don't enhance your voice.
Speaking of voice, I wonder why YT doesn't display my previous comment here.
Hungary lost 72% of its teritory not 60%
Hungarians are free to revert to their true territory in the Urals mountains- great place, much closer to the beloved putin-khuilo, China and the Turks world:). I am sure Hungarian politicians will not like the idea because there would not be any subsidies and funding from the EU.
@@theeyeofthebeholder7099 and so are you valachians back to the balcans wher you come from
Thanks for telling us to stay where we are as of now, atleast there wont be hungary on our border anymore
Ok , but you the grandchildren of the huns must go back in Asia !🤣
There are only a few people in Hungary who seriously think that the lost territories must get back. I'm hungarian nationalist, but I can see the reality. Percentage of the Hungarian minority In Roumania is 6 %, in Slovakia 8 %, in Ukrain 0,27 %, In Serbia 3,5 %, in Croatia 3 %. Who says that the revision of treaty of Trianon has some reality wants evil for all people who live here in this part of Europe.
Wrong. You view those statistics from the whole country as a whole not the region in which the Hungarians reside. You are anti-Hungarian. Never call yourself a "nacionalist" again.
Oh yea.. because we can just casually ignore how they ethnicly cleansed entire towns. Or how the very reason hungary is a minority in those areas is because they genocided us.
How about counting the population percentage in just the Hungarian part of those countries (occupying powers)? Of those you mentioned only Felvidék is fully Hungarian, and in its case the Hungarian population is all concentrated along the border.
Today in European politics the territorial integrity is the non plus ultra. What if you change your view and you do not count every time how many of you remained and where? Was there a public vote in 1920? No. Then it was a dictatum, mere agression, to use the word popular today (in every other case). Have you considered this before? Reuniting is not meant on an ethnical basis, since ehnical arguments were rigged from the start. If it had not been the situation like that, 3 millions of Hungarians would not have fallen on the other side of the borders. (Hungary has to prove (and it can) that everyone benefits from a reunited Carpathian basin. Ethnical arguments, like yours, and like today's Hungarian main views are dead ends. They lead to nowhere.)
@@militaryorchid7937 You cannot convince a Romanian that a reunited Carpathian Basin is good for him. This is mere nonsense your vision. In a united Europe with full minority rights there is no need to change borders.
you criticize Hungary for dependence on Russia but wasn't it Germany who lead the way in dependence on Russia for energy ?
yes but did you see Germany barking like all the animals ?
I am a hungarian and I do not want any revisions. You know what I want? Good international relationships and economic prosperity. Easy, nobody wants to die for a bygone era.
yeah but most of your people (the youth and a lot of old farts) want the stupid kingdom of hungary back, thanks to orban and old maygar farts being salty about wwi. tbh it would be better to take more hungary lands, mainly for romania and slovakia to protect them more, focus maygars outside of hungary to assimalate or get out like the germans in czechia and poland after wwii. Bc otherwise hungary is too much of a risk for all the nations bordering it, where romania and the other nations will have to beat their ass again like in 1919 where romania invaded budapest.
@@dannyboy218 Hungary is no risk. It is all bark and no bite. Orban needs fodder for his electoral popularity and what better way to look good in front of it by acting as the defender of all Hungarians within and outside the country. He also needs to shower the Hungarian communities in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia with stuff so that they can keep voting for him and his party.
100%
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth :) :) :) You give a great review of a country you've heard of but don't live in. You're just trying to assert someone's interest. :) How do you evaluate the practice of the US presidential election, eg the relationship between Donald Trump and Joe Biden? The USA evaluated the conversations between the leaders of the Soviet Union as "conversations of the dying". There was nothing to blame in their person or appearance. (they didn't shake hands with the wall, etc.) They were right. How is the president, who is the symbol of the USA, evaluated now?
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth why shower them? Like can Hungarians outside of Hungary vote? Bc if so that makes no sense if some 18 year old now who lived their entire life in Serbia and their parents did too have a Hungarian citizenship. That’s a conflict of interest as the maygars outside of Hungary don’t care too much of Hungary’s policies as it doesn’t effect them. Like how the maygars in Hungary don’t give a fuck about what maygars outside of Hungary want as they don’t pay taxes and why should they get benefits of both Hungary and Serbia government for example? And last that’s more likely to cause uprisings in slovakia Romania and Serbia as a lot of radical maygars outside of Hungary can vote for someone like orban who probably has the Hungarian military make up war plans to invade its neighbors when the time is right. Like seriously I believe orban and his government have a lot of spies in Romania and Slovakia as they keep illegal visting those nations and sending funds and buying lands in those nations and others to prompt maygars in those nations, which idk why tf the European Union didn’t do anything about it, so when the time is right many maygars in slovakia and Romania cause a civil war to disrupt those nations and then Hungary invade when the maygars inside Romania and Slovakia damage the nation and army a bit
you could make a similar video about austria, also loosing terretory in czechia slovakia, and most importantly Südtirol, yet revisionism is not much a popular idea here
What do you mean? Isn’t this channel Polish?
It is a sign of disfunctioning. Normal
countries cope with reality in a normal ways, Hungary started to believe in tales. Pretty scary, how orban can sing them, and they fully believe him.
Yes since Austria was the head of the state not Hungary. Austro-Hungaria failed to be a functional state because it was so multi-ethnic. It’s also why they didn’t win a single battle in the war they started. WWI Started not because archduke Ferdinand was killed but because he was no longer there to check the ambition of his field marshal to go to war whom he had rejected request to go to war no less than 16 separate occasions.
You do not have much minorities in Slovakia... As four the South Tirols, the German speaking Volk got languages right. Look a the language law in Ukraine and weep.
@@kashmirha stroking the ego of the common man is how you get him to die for you, you start by getting him to blame your enemies for his problems.
An English journalist makes a report with an old Hungarian man:
- I would like you to tell me about your life.
- I was born in the Kingdom of Hungary and studied there, then I started working in Romania. Later I got married in Ukraine and now I am retired in Slovakia, but unfortunately my children rarely visit me because they don't live in this country.
- You had a very busy life, that you were able to travel so much.
- Ah, I didn't even move out of my hometown, only the borders of the country often changed around me according to the interests of power.
Mulțumim Imperiului Austro-ungar.!😭
This channel sounds like Soros shills and corrupt corporate media propagandist.
That doesn't exactly work. Perhaps in modern Zakarpattia(Carpathian Ruthenia) which went from Hungary>Czechoslovakia>Carpatho-Ukraine>Hungary>Soviet Union>Ukraine, but those countries you mentioned never shared territory.
I am Hungarian.
1: Let us not confuse Hungary with Orbán. Hungary is not equal to Orbán, and Orbán is not equal to Hungary.
2: Revisionism means the desire to restore the former borders of a country. In this sense, I think, Orbán is not a revisionist. He thinks in terms of cross-border national cohesion, so that magyars can become a global nation like jews.
3: Sovereign Hungary is the most important for Orbán, for 2 reasons: For the sake of the survival of our country, Hungary, which is more than 1000 years old, and because he knows well, that his autocracy is impossible to overthrow from within.
Love Hungary from Bulgaria ❤
1. On the contrary: the Hungarians elected Orban. His views, statistically speaking, are no different from what the average Hungarian thinks. Did Hungarians take to the streets when he opposed aid to Ukraine? Did they scream when he went to his daddy in Moscow? So, yes: he represents Hungary. No - he wants to be Hungary. And you, statistically speaking, applaud.
2. It's hard to see anything other than a revisionist desire when you wear scarves with greater Hungary printed on them, when you keep talking about the "injustice" of Trianon, when football fans chant xenophobic and revisionist slogans, when Hungarian politicians refuse to acknowledge and respect the national symbols of the neighbouring countries they visit and make provocative comments, etc.
3. Orban's influence in Hungarian communities in neighbouring countries is undeniable. Hungarian communities tend to isolate themselves, believing that everyone is a threat. Read about the xenophobic incident in Ditrău on Wikipedia. The Hungarian state is so scared of the danger of perishing that it has a law on naming newborns - parents can only choose a name from an approved list. Names "in accordance with Hungarian linguistic and cultural traditions".
So, no - Orban is what Hungarians are.
@@fd2824 True, that he is (Orban) the prime minister and the most important person in Hungary, but he's not all the hungarians. And i think this video is pointless, because no evidence of any revisionist idea in his politics. I mean, treaty of trianon is part of the hungarians history, but thats all. Yes, he built so called "close" relations with China, Russia etc. but right now, what we know about it, its just economical relations, nothing else. Hungary is part of NATO and EU. The only reason (i think) that video is exist, because the other countries scared of Hungary, but i dont know why. No reason to do that.
@@fd2824 i think big part of the problem is that following the Trinanon treaties there were were well documented large scale pogroms including human torture solely based on ethnicity against Hungarians. Later the aggressive assimilation policies of the Caucescu regime did not help. I grew up fearing all our eastern neighbors. Why do you think these communities isolate? All these traumas left deep scars. We grew up fearing our neighbors who really stabbed us in the back and treated us mercilessly. I personally do like many Romanians I actually think we share a lot but as a nation I wish I could feel safe around them. I really do. Comments like yours do not help. Allowing minorities to live in safety and peace would make a difference in the region. It would make this whole argument about revisionism absolete. But as long as you treat your minorities as you do there will always be strategies to try to represent the rights of your nationality across the border granted in bilateral agreements and at the level you signed when joined the UN and the EU.. which you don’t now.
Orban is actually very soft. He wears that scarf to show that his team is representing all Hungarians i the football field.. I don’t see how is it upsetting.
When An American puts out an American flag in his room living abroad you don’t think he is a nationalist. When a Hungarian celebrates his language or culture you get aggressive.. you have the land.. you have the overwhelming support of nato and America you have the power.. why don’t you use it to create peace?
About the Ukrainian issue.. same stuff… personal threats against Mayors of Hungarian nationality closing of schools denying the right to speak your national language did not convince us to stand up an cheer for this overly nationalist Ukrainian government we do support humanitarian aid to any Ukrainian but supporting this nationalist war ? While they trash all minority rights including Romanian and Hungarian nationalities? Why? ..
Last but not least Orban won because his opposition was complete collection of contradicting idiots. 56 percent of all voters voted for him. That’s far less maybe third of population of Hungary. I’m not gonna lie I’m happy he won..
@@andzsinsan
Orban: We are bulwark againts islam. Therefore, Turkey is our best ally ... what ? :D
😂 seems like he wants his European identity but Golden Horde values
bullcrap.... backstabbing toads is what they are, history shows it !
I was just thinking the same thing 👍
@ISLAMMEHMEDOV Godzilla had a stroke reading this and fucking died
Against Islam in EUROPE, not against Islam in their own Islamic countries.
As a Hungarian, I can state that Hungary wants peace, not war! We want stability, friendship with other nations so that economy can run fast and smooth without any disturbancies. A healthy, working economy means much more than a futile war for territories. We all live on the same land, it's called Planet Earth.
As a Romanian of mixed heritage, I will say this you and I are one of the many normal people who want things to back to normal as in reason to dictate better actions, the problem or should I say problem, is very pro-imperialist in Hungary, whom like her are part of the old guard from the USSR days whom are nothing more than cutthroat bastards or robber barons that want to crown the next king,
Removing Orban is only one-half the other is removing all the cronies, by fore if necesary
Sorry to say this, but I still remember the 8 years of commies before them, they did the same thing, the only difference was that the commies sold the country to foreigners.
To Pozsonyi Katalin: That's fake news, what you're saying. This video was exemplary. I am forwarding someone's post from another such video. I got a lot of heat from trolls over it, but if I can .... well, my examples might get me punished by RUclips, so I'll leave it: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration. I'm American, but I have been living in Hungary since 2002, and I speak and study Hungarian and history and have lots of students. You don't even know your own history well. I have 24-25 flyers on this topic. All professionally translated: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yPkMtzdcZtILMSYQdx_yIpuEEdkyUssM
It says you have 3 replies, but I only see one. My previous blog has been hidden. You have a false narrative. I previously posted a longer version of this, but my info, which is more than valid and more than relevant here, has been removed or hidden. Here is a forwarded post by another blogger, perfectly stated for this occasion: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration.
In a better world, the imperialists would be curbed by their people, and the minorities wouldn't be treated as second class in the neighboring countries. That is so rarely the case sadly.@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
As a fairly old Hungarian, I think the Trianon-mania strengthens when we are relatively unsuccessful at present, and weakens when we are successful. During the socialism, we were relatively successful compared to our socialist neighbours. Nobody was crying on Trianon. When the socialismus collapsed and there was an economic downfall, the Trianon-mania outbroke. Then during the economic crisis of 2006 strengthened again, and now when we see how the Romanians and Slovakians became more developed, this crying is louder again.
So the fact that dirty politicians stole most of our country doesn't matter to you?
With the economic problems of the last period, the nationalist and sovereignist trend is artificially growing in Romania as well. Politicians - who are inherently hypocritical and immoral - prefer to blame foreigners, rather than admit they were wrong
After fall of communism Hungary imported / get donations of military technic /tanks, armoured vehicles ,guns, cannons from East Germany stock
In this way was more equipped then all non soviet states .
Now they don't have Patriot, Himars .,Reaper drones ,F16, .
Romania and Poland do and in future F35 stealth aircraft
Military now Hungary get the TRIANON 2.0 .
Nobody was crying Trianon, because in commie times whoever said anything about Trianon was locked up.
Te idióta barom.
That is correct my grampa said simular things.
So, it serves Orbán to "remember" 1919, whilst ignoring 1956.
..and 1848, another freedom fight crushed with the help of the russians. For some magical reason all the commemorations mentions only Austria but actually the russian empire sent even more men than the austrian army.
I'm not joking when I say that the current party line is "1956 was just as much Ukraine as it was Russia, but also present day Brussels is worse than 1956 Moscow." they literally say this.
Heck! Even worse, credulous voters believe such waffle.@@lvvgyk
@@lvvgyk Yup, saw it this past month. It's despicable, get out of EU if you hate it like that.
And ignored the Holodomor
The past two world wars Hungary was on the losing side, not necessarily a trend but interesting tidbit
The winners rarely lose, and the losers rarely win.
And then on the losing side in the cold war. It`s very reassuring that they`re with Russia, China and Turkey now. It just shows that no matter how bad things look, it will all be fine in the end.
Hungary has been alot on the wrong side of history.
@@Andre-by4suHungary and Turkey Nato membership. So you have a little disturb.
History written by the winners
This is basically a long form cnn/bbc article (that is an insult)
Best country! Regards from Poland 💪
They side with Russia against you
Are you writing from Lvov?
The video omitted one salient fact: Hungary has been for all intents and purposes, a maquiladora for German manufacturing companies (as has other lower wage Eastern EU countries like Czechia, Poland, etc.). The problem with being a maquiladora is that they are prey to slumps of the parent company's sales.
You are right. Problem is that local political class is too stupid, lazy and corrupt to create conditions for growth of local businesses. So we need thos german investments...
Wages in Eastern EU are no longer low and only Hungary and the Czechs are dependent on German companies. The ridiculous situation is that Hungarian manufacturing is also dependent on Russian energy so they're facing a double crysis.
@@leme5639 Slovakia and to some extent Romania too, only Poland has a substantial economy that is not owned by foreign investors.
@@AB8511 The real problem is in 1990 the traitor local post-communist elite sold out the country almost for nothing to western firms. Hungary had "goulash - communism" which one the early form of capitalism and accumulated national treasure and created companies. The Western firms first brought up all of them then was destroyed directly to reason not being a competitor of the western firms any hungarian one...
Fair but what is the alternative really? Unemployment or farming economy?
As a Hungarian myself, I would like to point out, that the percentages on the support of certain topics may be misleading, as they are not a country-wide research, rather a subsection, who are mostly on the lower end of the social and economic scale, hence influencing their opinion is significantly easier.
On revisionism - please keep in mind, that Hungary, despite not starting WWI (ruled by the Austrian Emperor), have lost more of it's population and landmass than e.g.: Germany, with Hungary losing 325411 square kilometers opposed to 69929 square kilometers, 72 % compared to 10%. With these facts, having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family significantly influences daily life even without the additional toll of loosing our resources. Hungary will always remember to the Trianon treaty as one, which tried to cripple our nation, heritage and economy, and have benefited others significantly. Therefor while revisionism is not a solution and the majority would not support it, it will likely remain a fond thought - at least in theory - for most Hungarians. Capitalizing on this is simple populism, with no real intentions behind it...
what do you mean "having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family", you do that only with your identity card. You had to travel the same distance as before
There are still borders, which may be closed for national reasons, and there are areas - namely to the east and south - which are not part of the Schengen area.
Also please bear in mind the social and mental effects of visiting your relatives in another country - despite it was not their intent to end up on the other side of a border. This is not the same as opportunism to the "western" states.
I am not promoting revisionism, just to make this clear.
However if what you say is thue, than what was the point of establishing sovereign nations in the first place instead of a then "central" government, which would have had the chance to create a strong economy based on the collective resources?
And to note: while free border crossing is considered normal, even I remember the days, when you have been stuck at border checkpoint for up to 24 hours - which may or may not return.
@@isunembizsu or, your relatives can move. You're free to travel.
Also, talking about exceptions with border control instead of the free movement rule is useless, as I can too debunk any rule that worked for a long time with just 1 exeption.
Austria and the netherlands are in charge of schengen so you're barking at the wrong tree there. Everything else is blabla. Not your lands, not your rules. You want relatives close? Just move. But no, you want your cake and to eat it too. Case closed
@@vardekpetrovic9716 kosovo is not serbia, your point is invalid once. 2nd invalidation comes from the fact that hungarians aren't even on the ethnic composition of kosovo map, so their numbers are so tiny they don't matter. Case closed, you're out
totally out of touch view point of yours. How can u say free to travel? At covid, any foreign conflict like in ukraine U COULDN'T visit your family or u have to flee from a country to a anouther. U know how many hungarians fled Ukraine just because of the war? Its not the same situation ever to live in a different country. The Standard of living is not really different but the rest is hard to live by. Discrimanation or vistiing family across the border.@@kysfggt
When the criminals from Kremlin made the suggestion that my country Romania, Poland and Hungary should take advantage now, when Ukraine is weak, and take back our lost territories, Orban was drooling like a mad dog, and came in his pants. I bet the criminal from Kremlin was in shock, seeing that we are not all like him and Orban, hienas, that just can't wait to rip Ukraine apart. Some idiots really forgot, or they never learned, how bloody and destructive were the last wars. We should be wiser and know better, because in Europe, every country has territories to another, and once we start playing this stupid, losing game again, the same bloodbath will be repetead. Let's focus on respecting and protecting each minorities in our countries, and look forward for a prosperous future. We have bigger problems ahead, with the climate changes, energy crisis, inflation, than stupid pieces of land.
bingo !
Thank you from Ukraine. Thank all Romanians for the help you provided us in our darkest time.
@@user-li4vy8mp9o you are most welcome. Freedom is the most important element of life !
@@user-li4vy8mp9o Good luck in your fight with the orcs, unfortunately we know very well what russian agression feels like.. Just be respectfull and fair with your minorities, whether they are romanians, hungarians, bulgarians, poles, gypsies, and others. Peace!
@@Maria..Carina-y6x, thanks.
Frankly speaking, I don't remember any case of minority oppression in Ukraine.
Like, I have Gagauz roots (and my surname originated in the Gagauz langauge), I mostly speak Russian, but haven't faced any kind of unrespectful attitude from other people in my country.
I know, it may occured to other people and I feel sorry for them, but the oveall problem seems to be exaggerated by media.
There was no Hungarian Royal Navy. There was the kaiserliche und königliche Kriegsmarine, or k.u.k. Kriegsmarine, part of the common (gemeinsame) armed forces controlled by the war ministry in Vienna.
There was no naval equivalent to Austrian Landwehr or Hungarian Honved, the supplementary land forces of the two halves of the empire.
Even the Danube Flotilla was fully controlled by the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine.
The k.u.k. Kriegsmarine naval ensign was always the red-white-red Austrian flag overlaid by the shield in the same colours, under the imperial crown.
according to the Ausgleich, the Ministry of Defense was controlled by both crown-states
@@Csongor-wo4le - No, it controlled by the emperor as supreme commander, who appointed the war minister and officers.
@@overworlder You just agreed with me because the Emperor is also crowned Hungarian King
@@Csongor-wo4le - 🙄 Nope. You're playing with words. The Hungarian crown-state government did not control the navy, even in part. The most power it had was over funding through the annual delegations' common budget process.
@@overworlder Miklós Horthy is the most prominent evidence for Hungarian control over PARTS of the Navy. Of course, the War Department and the Emperor had the final word. It's not my intention to play with your words, it's just that your statements are PARTLY contradictory.
You can't say Hungary lost 5 million people to Romania,3 millions of those people were Romanians.
its not true...
@@Dementor_Boss what is true?
@@aiurea1 after trianon until 1990 all big cities is 90% (60%-90%) hungarians... so matematicly its not true. Under trianon talking (my english is bad, i talk about when trianon is happend and the leaders talk with each others) their minister of ethnic (how much % is the Hungarians, Tót, romanians,( all other 30 human type) of the population) he said the hungarian map is more correct map then the romanians, serb, slovaky map... and our map is said that % thing. If i remember well, 1 citties is near 95% hungarian... most of the cittoes is around 70%. So because their minister said who actualy not use our map its mean we have right (just hes job is not to be fair), so its not 3 million of that is romanian... székely and Hungarian mean the same, this is why, i know in the romanian school, most of the time they said these lie, and bullshits but i search a lot in the internet and i find a lot of proof, and these proof is not from wiki pedia (the wiki is give the right to hungarians to but not just that).
@@s.i.3556 that can be
@@Dementor_Boss There were 3.2 million Romanians in Transylvania by 1910. 3.5 by 1920. This is according to Hungarian censuses. Also, the cities maintained an artificial Hungarian majority, but as soon as you went outside of them, everybody spoke Romanian for a reason. The reason why Romanians penetrated the cities only after Trianon is because prior to Trianon it would be almost impossible for Romanians to buy or build anything in the confines of the city. Hungarian mayors and city councilors would not grant authorizations nor allow the selling of land and buildings to Romanians.
Hungarian here.
It is not a revisionist state. If it were, all our neighbours would already be in a massive uproar.
Orbán has bought the minority Hungarians by giving them citizenship and lots of money. During elections they come across the border by the busloads, vote for Fidesz and then go home. Obviously not everyone, but enough to make a small difference which has made then very unpopular with us here in the mothercountry.
Changing the borders would cause a lot more problems than it would solve. The EU has the means to address minority issues and gradually all historic grievances can be dealt with in time and with communication. The biggest problem for Hungarians inside and outside the country's borders is an aging population and emigration to the West.
Orbán is an opportunistic parasite. He'll sell his mother to stay in power and will say whatever anyone wants to hear. He started off as a liberal and has been everything you can imagine. Right now he's playing Christian conservative nationalist.
He's a gutless coward and will not do anything to seriously challenge any status quo.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
Only people mad about minority Hungarians are leftists and they are traitors.
@phaslow - I heard the Hungarian diaspora could vote-by-mail in Hungarian elections. Hey, I know a bunch of Liberal Lefty Democrats of Hungarian descent here in the US. I wonder if Orban would be open to letting them vote in your elections, too?
What a shame that you call your self Hungarian , Minority Hungarians didn't not chose to be a minority outside of Hungary border , their situation is an awful gift of the past history ,
You should know that as a Hungarian.
The president didn't bought the Hungarian minority's with anything , you are misguided .
For a hundred years they whore town away by the pages of history to the claws of the wolfs to be chewed up.( our beloved neighbors )
The President simply give them the opportunity to join the nation legally and spiritually if they choose to do so .
And have the same rights and support as any Hungarian citizen have inside Hungary's border.
Believe me.. they are appreciate and love the nation for it more then you can imagine .
Before you open your mouth next time about Hungarian minority's
I suggest that you move from Hungary to any of our neighboring country's where Hungarian minorities live and live with them for a few years .
After experiencing there life it would be interesting to lessen to you .
If they have cizizenship they can vote. Also, most diaspora folks tend to vote for the opposition. @@velvetmagnetta3074
The first two paragraphs were great. Then the third devolved into a psycho-analysis on someone you've never met. Stop pretending you know Orban personally and just criticise his policies, whether they're good or not.
As an American, I think Hungary is fine. Many Americans think this. This sounds like a subtle way to make Hungary look bad.
Many americans just dont understand how bad hungary under orban is
Orban is the slightly corrupt leader Hungary needed to save itself from the far greater corruption engulfing the Western world.
@@martinja9953 The problem is with the current hungarian government is that I live under in it. The opposition is kept out of everything and the money flows only to that populist Orban. But, hungarians will caricature corruption because we actually hate corruption that is going on right now. I sincerely hope that Orban and Gyurcsany (one of the alcoholic opposition guy, was minister before - he ruined the country 2006-2010) will be out of the political sphere, that is the time when everything can be reformed politically. Of course, I think Hungary is behind the mentality of the west at least 15 years so do not expect changes to happen instantly.
As a Hungarian, you are right.
The fact that Hungary is constantly at odds with the rest of EU nations is the first thing most people would fault Hungary for. I don't really fault them for that.
Supposed irredentism is the least of their faults, althought it would get rather interesting if that was ever acted out for real.
What I would criticize them for, however, is their tacit affinity with Russia and China, countries that are anathema to the west and present an obstruction to the western historical destiny. The latter is even a communist country to this day, anathema to civilization in general.
The west may be in decline, but demoralization dooms it instead of reviving it.
As far as I can remember, (and I'm 35 years old), the prospect of taking back old territories in some way, any kind of revisioniosm was never a talking point for any of the ruling parties. Nor is it now.
Well you gota look at more media proving this. Since orban bans any media that he doesn’t like, you’re not going see his revisionist motives on state approved media
What do you even mean. The so called Szekely land flag flies on Hungary's parliament everywhere next to Hungary's flag. The ruling party goes to Szekely land with speeches supporting Szekely secessionism every year. Anything more revisionist than this implies the army and flying bullets.
@@nydydn oh yes, maintaining a good, supportive relationship with the only group of people outside our country who speak the same language? That can only mean revisionism and nothing else.
@@vodkavecz I'm talking about the big map of greater Hungary that can be seen when visiting the Hungarian parliament next to the Szekely land flag. There is no sane person that would say this isn't revisionism.
So being proud of our history is a problem?@@nydydn
Trying to play two or more sides while having nothing to offer spells annihilation in any language.
You hit the nail on the head.
Only if you think in the framework of rivalry. Once you draw in the framework of common interest, it becomes much more sensible to be on good terms with many.
Hungary is on the side of NATO when it comes to war conflicts. Currently Hungarian troops are in several war zone among NATO forces. But geopolitics is an other issue. While the US has maintained it’s trade with Russia or China, why on Earth can’t we have the same pragmatic economic relations with these countries?
This is a very shallow @@KolostoriGabor-mc3wi This is a very shallow view Gaby. Of course, Hu has to honor it's engagement with NATO. The point is however that the irredentist views in Hu are at all time high hence Orban sucking Putin's cock at every opportunity.
Putler was going to redrew Europe's borders and promised Orby some of lost Hu territories. Well, that's all up in flames now and Hu has no friends. Hu on the wrong side of history. Again. Minden yot boratom.
Wait a second! Hungary lost what the Hapsburgs won. Bohemia, Moravia, Galicia were never Hungarian. How could Hungary lost what they never possessed?
look up how hungary looked before it became part of the habsburg empire, Greater hungary had those territories far earlier
Magyarországnak TÁRSORSZÁGAI vannak. Ladomér,Halics,Ilyvó,(Lviv), Ráma(Bosznia),Szlavónia,Dalmácia, Horvátország, Bulgária,Moldva,Havasalföld,kunok földje.Ezt NEM a Habsburgok nyerték.Ez magyar,hun,avar,székely,és más rokon népek lakóhelye. Cseh és morva területek.Ezek nagy része valamikor szintén MI laktuk,de nem volt társország.Például Brno ősi neve: BÖRÉNVÁSÁR/BÖLÉNYVÁSÁR. Ez gyönyörű magyar név.
Hungary is what would have happened if Germany post WW2 would have once again go revisionist and if the germans would have remained in their lands post war while the territory would still go to Czechia and Poland.
Its the good old Carthage rule:
After the first war with Rome they were still a major power (War for Dominance)
After the second war with Rome they were still a regional power ( War for Revenge/Revisionism)
After the third war with Rome: "Carthago delenda est"
Germany stopped after losing one fight for dominance (WW1) and one fight for revisionism (WW2), Hungary currently wants to go the third step...
The author of this video has a one sided view of history, he assumes absolute goods and evils as if we still existed in the 1940s. A few words to reflect on; the world is far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I think he just have bad sources.
@@the_white_rabbit I gave up on him on one of the first few videos that he originally published in Polish. It's one thing to be biased as you attempt to rip off Caspian Report, it's something else entirely where you're trying to sell your bias as some kind of objective geopolitical fact (such as this guy's hatred of Germany and deeply rooted conviction that this feeling is reciprocated by Germany in regards to Poland).
As a Hungarian, the direction my country is heading frigthens me, as it should any sane man, but what is worse that we're burning our bridges to our friends and allies in the west. Everything our grandfathers stood for in '56 is being overturned to line the pockets of Orbán and his cronies. Our country is being lashed to diseased and dysfunctional dictatorships, in China and Russia, and my nation is being reduced to a laughing stock (for understandable reasons) not just in the broader West, but closer to home in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and most painfully Poland. Hopefully when this fever dream ends (hopefully in 2026, but I wouldn't hold my breath) we won't be left alone to stand up from it.
Also it shouldn't go without saying, that put in context, the posturing about the Hungarian diaspora, while they have issues, is really about revisionism, as for example the Hungarians in USA are completely left on their own, and aren't getting any of the funds meant to "keep the Hungarian culture alive".
Hülye hazaáruló vagy azért írsz ilyeneket. Vitatkozni akarsz? Tessék! Vitatkozzunk!
As a hungarian, the direction of EU frightens me, which acts as a colony of the US and a future muslim caliphate.
@@szabolcscsicsely2048 Then your brainwashing was successful.
@@szabolcscsicsely2048 Őt viszont nem rémíti meg. Ő már eladta a hazáját, méghozzá ingyen.
@@szabolcscsicsely2048 Warsaw Pact thinking at it's finest. If you think anyone in Europe or the world is a US colony take a look at NATO countries' defence spendings. Moreover I agree I also wouldn't like to be part of the Neo-Ottoman Turkic caliphate.
As a romanian born in Transilvanian i m amazed how stupid regular people can be. You got a leader who don t want to leave the power and is start talking about how great we are and how big we can be and we gave up all our rights for astory. Hungary in the 90' where much better economically than Romania, now poor hungarians are comming in Romania to do their groceries because first of all they found everything they need and some of the products are cheaper. I m sorry for all the honest hungarians who have to live lead by a puppet of Putin. One more time on the wrong side of the history. What i can say, we got what we vote for
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who come to romania for work??? Those are romanian guest workers who's came home from Germany. LOL. Caucescu utopia and you think its the best place in the World. 🤣😂😂
...or you just simply afraid you choosing a wrong side and Putin give back Transylvania to its rifghtful owner. What came easily goes easily...
@@trunksajovobol3792 That's why Hungarian women are the sex workers of Europe. please...
@@trunksajovobol3792 If you want Transylvania so bad then let Romania annex Hungary and become Romanian, only then will Hungary and Transylvania be reunited :).
hungolian fascist sure are salty...
The author omits to mention that the so-called ‘Great Hungary’ was not a state and the ethnic Hungarians in that ‘state’ were always less than 50%. Quite a lame and biased piece.
The great Hungary was a state whose political system was given by the ruler. And there was a Hungarian majority in Transylvania, but the emperor was falsified by the Romanians and the Entente.
I am a Hungarian from Budapest. I have been following the political life in Hungary for almost a decade. This video gives a great, comprehensive and accurate picture of the country's political set-up, dependencies and problems. For those of you from abroad who might be interested in the situation here, this is the best video I have seen on the subject.
As a romanian from Kolozsvar, I think Victor Orban losts his minds. He came here this summer and denied sovereignty of Romania. All the romanians from here were schocked. For Victor Orban we, 80% of Transilvania population don't exist. I have many magyar friends and work colleagues including the szeklers. Tell me, why he did this? Do You know how many romanians from north Erdely died as hungarian heroes in Russia? They rest in peace at Rudkino cementery. Verify yourself. My great grandfather was one of them. He died for Orban's arrogance. We wanted to belive in friendship with hungarians from Hungary but for you, we don't exist. Orban does the same mistakes like hungarian politicians before Trianon. We didn't exist for them, also. That's why we wanted to unite with Romania. It's sad because as a romanian I can't imagine Transylvania without our magyar friends.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you for your feedback, as a Hungarian I am sorry about this.
It is good to see you have friendly relationships with Hungarians/Székely Hungarians.
The current situation with neighbouring countries is not that great.
About the initial comment, I almost agree, it might need a bit more balanced opinion but I can not support our current goverment on many things unfortunately. Cooperate with the west has opportunities but it is very very false if we would live like people in China, Russia or even Turkey.
... I had hope in 2022 but the country did not vote against them, for most of the people here seems like the governance is ok
Greetings from Hungary, Budapest, originall from Baranya, Pécs.
@@danielvarga_p Transilvania is above of all a spirit statement. Karoly Kos spoke about transylvanism. Miklos Bannfy also. Did You know that Miklos Banffy saved Kolozsvar in WWII, as foreign minister of Hungary? That's why, the germans burned his castel from Bonchida. He loved so much Transylvania, especially Kolozsvar. I'm glad that he finally rests in peace in Kolozsvar because this was last wish. Every ruin, every castle, every church, every river, forest has a story. So many cultures: magyars, germans, szeklers, romanians, armenians, jews. We miss so much the germans. Yes, Transylvania is a bless land. Pope said that is Lord's Mother land. Trianon will fall when the hatred between us will no longer exist. Our magyar friends read for us a poem, At Danube( Dunanal i think) by Jozsef Attila.I swear all the romanians were moved to tears at the final of the poem. The truth is that we love and respect each other here. If the magyars including the szeklers will leave from here, like the germans the beautiful spirit of Transylvania will die.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you, I am not really sure why you mentioned those things to me, but appreciatedd. Maybe my comment did not explain what I wanted to say, well.
Most important, I am happy you have a good view on Hungarians and other nations people in Romania.
In my opinion this is already over, as both country part of EU, and that we could celebrate. Unfortunately there are also people who does not like each other from both sides, but that will change over time.
Have a great day.
@@danielvarga_p thanks. I wish You all the best.
Short answer: NO
(I have saved you 40 minutes)
As a hungarian, I can say that this is a one-sided video made when you only obviously asked hungarian opposition politicians and didn't ask Fidesz politicians, and other normal people, the majority in Hungary. That is of course not the way you get a realistic picture about a country.
These guys are leftists based out of Poland. If you understand their bias and where it comes from you can parse through their politics and get a more neutral take.
Considering how harshly they were reduced and repressed after AuH's breakup in WW1, I wouldn't be surprised they still feel wronged by everyone.
It was justified if you check an ethnic map of Hungary in 1918, I remember reading that Hungary's population was only 47% Hungarian. So a lot of territory was going to be lost either way. And in the border areas with mixed population, well, they were the losers.
@@catalinmarius3985Like in the donbass and crimea. And ukraine is just weak. All is perfect no?
@@catalinmarius3985 Yes, and why you did not give back at least the territories that were not populated by Roumanians? Do you know how present day European politics name situations where territories are taken without asking the people living there? If not, read something about the Russian-ukrainian war and see it yourself how Roumanian press is talking about Russia.
@@catalinmarius3985no it wasnt justified based on ethnicity. That is why MILLIONS of hungarians are still living in neighbouring countries. It was a "grab as much as you can" scheme: mines, forests, railway etc. Nobody cared about ethnicities of the population.
@@militaryorchid7937 Because those territories were in an exclave cut from the rest of Hungary. Hitler tried to do it in WW2 by giving North Transylvania to Hungary, it still ended up a region with 50% Romanians and 38% Hungarians. You cannot connect Szekelyland to Hungary because there are many Romanians in between.
This is why for me Hungary should be expelled from the EU.
It's amusing that Orban mourns the times when Hungary's territory was larger, because they were more or less ruled by Austria. It was not as if Hungary and Austria had equal rights in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy back then. 😅
It seems to me that you don't know history as Hungarian territory was also large pre Habsburg and Ottoman rule in the middle ages
Natinality is concept of 19th century. Why it should apply to history prior to it? It is the same logic as when in US whites shold pay blacks reparations for slavery...
@@szeverholdosi8099 The Video is referencing to pre 1920 not pre Habsburg
@@oe5580doesnt matter, your original comment was flat out wrong.
Hungarians were the peasants and the food providers of the Austrian Empire.
Being true Pole you should at least acknowlegde that leaving 3mil Hungarians after WW1 was bad and other borders should have been set. You choose not to do that.
Now I understand why Tucker Carlson loves Victor Orban.
For that amount of money you you would also love him
LOL 🤣
Both Carlson and Orban are thick
Nobody will ever accept the hungarian joke again!
and Hungarians would never accept the foreign joke ever ... our entire history proves that ..
all the rest of our neighbours just subjugates itself cowardly to the big powers ... only the Hungarians resist .... pffff
So, they want to have their old borders back? Great. I expect their surrender to Vienna within the next 24 hours. They might have forgotten who granted them these borders and who taught them in 1848/49 a lesson when they declared independence (Austria with massive support from Russia)... But seriously, this is a completely pointless claim that demonstrates just how much Fidez has lost contact with reality and their willingness to do everything to remain in power. I wished there was a way to kick them out of the EU or at least suspend their membership.
As a Hungarian I have to admit this is the most detailed and thorough video about Hungary to date. It gives enough backstory, provides context and manages to stay factual throughout. Congratulation to the team at GTBT!
Despite that, I dont entirely agree with the final conclusions of the video. The Russian connection is way overemphasized and paints an inaccurate picture of Orban's ambitions. I know it was not in the scope of the topic of this video, but adding Orbans connections to Trump/Republican party and the right-wing network of like-minded parties within the EU would have given a more nuanced picture.
As for the alliance for WW, Orban has said over and over that we prefer neutrality. Like you guys pointed out, we allied with the Germans twice already, lost both times...not gonna be fooled into 3rd time.
If they want neutrality why did they join NATO? Or the EU for that matter? The way Orban has gone out of his way to block aid packages from the EU for Ukraine and not sign on to sanctions has some people wondering if he isn't actually a Russian Trojan horse.
Kind of hard to be neutral when you’re part of EU and NATO. Probably have to leave those organizations before you can be neutral like Switzerland.
When children were killed in one of your neighbours' houses, women were raped and the house was set on fire, don't you think it's strange to insult the victims and shake hands with the murderer?
Congratulations, now you will be fooled by someone new🎉
If we're neutral, why is the Kremlin propaganda flowing from government-affiliated media translated to hungarian? (Zelensky wants war, Putin is open to peace, just to mention one headline) The statement in the video was accurate: The government is as pro-Russian, as it can be while being a member of NATO, and EU. This is what I always said, basically since the beginning of the war, to everybody claiming our neutrality.
Orbán's politics doesn't have any revisionist elements, in fact he tried to build good relations with all neighbouring countries, mostly successful in Slovakia and Serbia. Just remember how hostile the Slovakian-Hungarian relations were prior to Orban.
Nice clickbait, but maybe try telling the truth for a change.
Right on spot!
And now he's sucking off Putin and Xi, two people known for their love of democracy and human rights. Try moving to Russia if you love it so much, then tell me about 'clickbait'.
Very good description,if you were living in a parallel universe .
Everyone becomes a revisionist if more than half of their country is lost.
But everyone will be a revisionist even if it is only a possibility that they can get territories. It's a simple fact.
I would be curious if an American citizen were asked if his country would get Canada or Mexico, what would they say? :D
They would say that they leave the vote to the citizens, we are in the 21st century ffs..
Half of Transleithanien you mean?
But how can you lose something that never was yours?
@@slick83boby erm... uhm.. it was always ours, the conquered population under the Austro-Hungarian superpower Empire already living there were just animals, it's even written by our national poet, that means they have no rights.
Vagy Ukrajnát.....😃
The main loser of WWI and WWII was Hungary. Trianon was unjust. Hungary was always respectful of ethnical minorities within its territory. Most of the lost towns were constructed and inhabited mainly by Hungarians. Full revision is impossible now, but Hungary should receive indemnization for the territories taken away. Hungarian language and culture should be fully respected in neighboring countries, especially in Rumania and Ukraine.
thats the biggest lie and no body speak hungary only hungaryans and they keep to claiming teritory from romania and other countrys and they dont show any respects to other countrys
3:30 Anyone can imagine a justification of ceding territory to AUSTRIA, with Hungarian majority in the area? Only reasoning I can come up is to create tensions between the Monarchy's successor states.
Magnet McMilin's "Paris 1919" has a section on that particular transaction. Biggest reason I recall was railway lines, and the important depos. Some areas would have become economically screwed if they lost certain rail yards and turn heads. Happened in quite a few other places to. Another large factor into a lot of what happened to hungary is the communist government that took over the nation. It was unreconized and did not recognize the peace talks. Thus they had no representatives. Kind of hard to get a good deal when u don't show up to negotiations.
@@Skritshell What screwed Hungary the most in my opinion was fighting Czechoslovakia and Romania in 1919-1920, the Allies were pretty much fed up with the war in 1918 and Hungary keeping fighting when it was clear they lost certainly didn't win them any friends with the Allies. I remember reading that a French general straight up insulted the Hungarian delegation when they arrived in 1920, in public.
false analogy. Most ex hungarian regions had hungarian population ( at least before the Ottoman attack ),settlement names and history. meanwhile Hungary doesn’t have any austrian history from the beginning till the 1600 s . not a meaningless difference.
@@catalinmarius3985You're not wrong there but what really screwed Hungary is their "own" bolshevik revolution. People forget this, especially Romanians who (kind of victoriously) mention the siege and conquer of Budapest in 1919; that Hungarians had to fight their own (whites vs reds), while being completely depleted. Of course it was impossible to hold out against CZ and RO, who both had the Entente power's support. But then again... you're not wrong.
@@Skritshell Western leader tend to create states and border just so there would be further conflict. Look at all the African countries. Or the middle east. Its not out of the norm that they argued for these partitions just so there would be war at a later time.
Orban can keep dreaming forever! 😅
This whole video is based on the premise that Viktor Orban is friendly with these mentioned leaders because of the shared ideology or whatsoever (it is kinda shady what the editors thought by saying this, but fair enough). What you all here fail to consider, is the past of Hungary. And not talking about the treaty of Trianon. That was a shameful decision, a pretty unfair one, but we, Hungarians accepted it overall. It is undoubtedly funny and biased to accuse us with super-nationalism or territorial hopes. The reason why the PM of Hungary has these diplomatic ties with those leaders AS WELL, is that Hungary has always been a country between the West and the East. We have been invaded by both of them and it is against our interest them to be against each other, because we are in the middle and therefore we never come out of those conflicts well. I’d like to underline it again, maintaining fair relations with all leaders around the globe is couldn’t be further from betraying the West, on the contrary, this pluralism was the idea of the West before the 21st century. We are a peaceful, welcoming country with astonishingly beautiful arts, cities, nature and culture, feel free to visit us and prove the mainstream wrong! 🇭🇺
Even do not needed to make ideologies about bridging between east and west, however in the 19th century it was an existing view of the role of Hungary. A normal state in Europe simply tries to make friends not enemies, triing to trade and exchange cultural goods and not robbing each other. Thats what the greedy elite of the western colonizer countries never really could understood, they always thought in ruling the whole world and exhausting other ppls goods, and making world wars, becvause how funny those would be. thexy are basically opium warmongers. We are not indo-europeans, we never shoot first. Also Hungary is a little country, so if we hear that we should defeat Russia or the Chinese Empire, taking part in the silly shaking swords of the western lunatics, of course we laugh and leave that work to them.
I think there's a greater chance of Poland revising its borders to include western Ukraine, than it is for Hungary to do what has been outlined in this video.
There isn't. There is no political party or social group of any significance in Poland that wants Lwów back. This question has been asked and already dealt with back in 1960s. The matter is closed and we are perfectly happy with the territories we have. Anything you might hear to contrary is orc propaganda.
It is in an area of imagination that in case of collapse of Ukrainian state under Russian pressure, Poland might take controll of western Ukraine.
But it would rather be an authonomous republic. Annexing it directly to Poland would be just a foolish action.
There are no Poles living there anymore and such a turn of events would turn Ukrainians against Poland and revive Banderism.
It would be more of a headache than any gain.
@@MyPrideFlag no one wants to rule over ethnic Ukrainians… not Russians, not Poles, not Hungarians, nor Romanians… not even ethnic Ukrainians themselves!!! Haha that is one reason Ukraine is so corrupt. Any leader who resists the corruption ends up dead. At the same time Russia will NOT tolerate a functioning Ukrainian state… no matter how small. The EU states have been encouraging the war in Ukraine so they should bear the consequences of its outcome. I believe it’s in the interest of Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria to enter a confederation of “neutral” states… similar to how Austria was during the Cold War. They would have to leave NATO and the EU, but those organizations are parasites upon these countries anyway. Poland is basically defending all of the EU and taking all the risks. Eastern EU states are having their wealth skimmed off by wealthier western states. If a Polish led coalition signed a separate peace agreement with Russia it would be a win for everyone. There is only 20 million people left in Ukraine and they could be resettled in the EU… widely distributed based on population. Poland and the other countries could divide up western Ukraine and make full use of its potential. It would be the best case scenario for the Ukrainians as well… being small minorities in stable, wealthy European countries rather than being in a fascist, corrupt, and unstable country. A Polish led coalition of European states would be strong enough to stand up against any Russian aggression. The economic benefits would be immense… as they would be a hub for trade both east and west and north and south.
@@MyPrideFlag Banderism is alive and well in Ukraine, it's just temporarily focused on Russia right now
3:40 there was no Hungarian navy. it was the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine. and Hungary was "not a large power" but simply the junior partner in an AUSTRO-Hungarian Empire. Hungarian elites worked so long and so hard to break away from that "stranglehold" of Vienna that they perhaps unwittingly contributed to the downfal of that empire
"Junior"
Are you serious?
Wiena not even was a house when the Hungarian Kingdom already existed.....
😂😂😂
@gaborjuhasz5610 Vienna did exist - since Roman times. but I wasn't talking about the medieval kingdom, which was completely destroyed by the Turks. neither was the author of this video. so your argument completely misses the point. that is something completely different from Hungary as part of the Habsburg domains. or do you forget the fact that for 400 years, Hungary was owned by an Austrian dinasty?
@@tombombadil9123
No .
We newer forget your behave....
Like supply cannons for the osmans against us....
Or how to robbed out our country many times...
Yeah we remember.....
How you mascared us....
Yeah you can be wery proud your past....
😁😁😁
You even get land from us in 1921,but the war started with those dirty Hasburgs ...
By the Vivadona=wiena?
Just like the others around us you want a accient history,when you're not really have any
It was Austrian navy commanded by Croats
battle on the Marchfeld - read about this. Habsburgs thank their existence only hungarian support. They were nowhere when Hungary was one of Europe most powerfull state...
Perhaps, but its neighbours are not indulging Hungary's revisionism. Article 1 of the Romanian Constitution defines the country as a "sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible national state." As a result of this provision, any ethnic-based territorial autonomy, including that of the Székely Land, would be unconstitutional, as stated by The Supreme Council of National Defence of Romania.
Laws are made by people ,so people also can change them.Tirany of majority over minorities doesn't lead to anything good.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes - Hungary 2023.
Bang on!
As a Clujean (aka Kolozsvár) I don't mind living our lives along the Hungarian minorities, I have a lot of friends, I'm the godfather for one of my mates whom are Romanian - Hungarian, learned even some basics of the language, we are living peacefully, they have a lot of rights including being able to walk trough the Romanian school from kindergarten to university all in taught in Hungarian, I'm all into living peacefully, but threatening the borders of Romania dose make me ... upset, enough to say that the Romanian Army did visited Budapest once 100 years ago an it can do it again if threatened, but I hope we can still be frenemies at worst, good neighbours at our best withing EU, helping each other not clinging to the past of our great grandparents.
You are delusional if you think Hungary would ever send in troops to occupy Transylvania. It will be done economically and diplomatically -- and if Romania maintains the current regime, the State would be just fine with granting Transylvania independent status (as a first step).
There would never have been war in 1919 if the Romanians didn’t destabilize the Hungarian republic.. just saying. And this time around maybe the Hungarians won’t be as fortunate
the romanian army invaded hungary after the signing of the peace treaty, and the ragged, barefoot army plundered, murdered and destroyed everything in its path. First you talk of peace, then you threaten war. The Romanians are rightly afraid of a revision, they own stolen land.
@@schutzanzug4518 you mean kick out the reds after they declared war on the neighbors? The only destabilization inflicted on the huns was limiting the standing army in case something like 1919 happened. The romanian army raised a romanian boot (opinca) on the flagpole in Budapest (that cleaned the grudges dating back to the medieval period) and left 1 year once the elections were done. It was Horty, and before the bots come screaming occupation, Horty invading checho-slovakia, iugoslavia, transilvanya once the 3rd Reich gave the romanian army a 24h ultimatum to vacate (after the SU did the same in eastern half of Moldova, this second time led to the military taking over government and the rest is history) and even their 1919 allies, the SU. And Horty stood in power until the germans took him down when the war was lost.
@@cristibrad6742 The Romanian army kept pushing the boarder of Hungary back before the treaty after the Hungarian army disbanded. This caused the Hungarian republic to capitulate and a communist government to take over. Then this state fought back againsed romanians, then they were called the aggressors! Insane how rewritten your history is
I wish the EU was able to bring European countries closer together. But it probably has too many policies in place that don't regulate economic growth or stability wich were the founding principles of the EU.
Also it would help a lot if we had some damn oil. Thankfully the Russians are opressing their population and are afraid of losing power so they dont allow companies to grow too powerful. Otherwise we Europeans would probably fade into irrelevance in the next centuries.
The next biggest problem is probably that we dont have big internet companies that secure our data. We don't trust the chinese to build G5 but nobody even questions the Americans? They don't even try to hide the fact that they spy on us. Thats a big problem politicly and economically.
Well if our governments are that naive than they probably deserve it.
If u belive that the goal of the EU to bring Europeans closer than you are really lost somewhere.... You will learn in the future....
@@MiklosUwU, some people don't understand about the EU ,therfore comment utter nonsense
The EU and it's predecessor were literally founded to bring Europeans together...
the EU’s main goal is the establish a Superstate a authoritarian state that reduces your rights to being nothing but a corporate slave of a meaningless multiethnic supercorporation with no tradition or national pride like the United States is today. the EU second goal is the bring in million of economic surfs from AFRICA ASIA AND THE MIDDLE EAST to slave away next while the Brussels elite live in their segregated neighborhood like Apartheid SOUTH AFRICA.
It's come on quite well since the 50s don't you think?
This is why I understand Hungary has a chip on it's shoulder but also find it despicable that their leaders of late talk of "sovereignty" while having irredentist aspirations that essentially exposes the desire of Hungarian leaders to make the country a sort of a multi-ethnic empire into itself. Orban, though having some points on the bureaucratic issues of the EU, along with his certain sensible takes on being a leader that cater Hungarian interests, is still a slimy character that must be looked upon with suspicion for his very self-serving policies while catering to states that led to the oppression of the very same country when Hungary was a satellite state in the Warsaw Pact which was crushed in 1956 when its populace rebelled against Russian/Soviet aggression.
Supporting Russia when it's using the exact same tactics the USSR used to justify invading Hungary is unconscionable, every Hungarian round the world should be outraged. Orban is a traitor, end of story.
You have no idea about the truth. You only read the lies of the stupid liberal left, that's why.
What you wrote is pure nonsense.
@@attilamarics3374 explain... because asserting means worse than nonsense. You are talking nothing.
@@EarthForces Everybod yknow that todays EU wants a more federal system. So I dont get how sovereignty isnt a valid point. Not like most easter european countries arent anti EU. Not liek your comment made any specific points. I cant disprove the void.
Hungary just wants to have good relationship with its neighbours and preserve the rights of Hungarian minoritiy to learn in Hungarian.
Greetings from Finland. I would like if we could build relations with the Hungarians as it is rare for us to us to interact with others whose language might make at least some sense to us, but it seems that the Hungarian leaders do not want to even attempt to get along. We could disagree on some things but try to build relations based on everything else, but it seems like they are not willing.
I do hope that there's good, peaceful and prosperous future ahead for the Hungarians and would like to visit some day too (In the winter ofc, I'm a Finn). Also would like to go to other places than the biggest cities, not fan of big population centers.
You have to understand that Orban and his gang, are textbook narcissists with no other interests than narcissistic supply. Whether it is more power, more money, more influence, but they are not interested in building colaborations with coutries like yours, because you don't have anything in common with their political agenda. If you want to get closer to hungary, and built a relationship, you should try it with the regular hungarian people.
@@Maria..Carina-y6x There's limited opportunities to do that with regular Hungarian people. Only come across a few when gaming for +20 years.
Our relations with Russia have been complicated last about 900 years. I've gotten along with many many regular Russians despite the national level politics. I know it for a fact that people can get along splendidly despite such problems.
Who doesn't want to have good relationship with Finland, our distant cousins? The Hungarian government sure wants it and it's very open to it. But as long as the Finnish people vote in progressive liberal parties to power (the likes who put forward characters like Sanna Marin), parties who jump immediately on the bandwagon when it comes to attacking / criticizing Hungary on the European scene, there will be no good relations. Put someone to power who is representing Finland's interests and not the mainstream globalist narratives.
@justskip4595, maybe Finland and the west stops talking form the high horse, maybe if you gust stop "education us" how to be good citizen of EU, maybe if you are see us as partners and not some primitive Eastern Europeans, maybe than we could get along then. Till you do not leave arrogancia behind you will never be a partner to on one. So to make it more clear to you, how would you like if we Hungarians start to criticize your lifestyle the way you do thing and the huge level of antisemitism in your country which is happening right now. On top of that we would start lying about your county on the international stage, make some false claims and then we would look done on you and say poor poor Finland we can not even talk to them they ares so primitive. So how would you like that?
@@Maria..Carina-y6x what you are saying is a textbook libtard propaganda, because if it is not true what you are saying than the other option is that there is life beyond liberal democracy and this is a frightening tough for you. And no it is not dictatorship. Jut remember time is on our side.
Trianon obviously went too far and was completely unfair. Taking non-Hungarian land from it was fine, but stripping it of territory mostly populated by Hungary was unjust. Vae victis has its limits.
But now most of these territories have been ethnically cleansed anyway so there is no going back.
" stripping it of territory mostly populated by Hungary " false & quite the opposite. IT was MOSTLY populated by other ethnicities. Use your eyes if you have them, just don't look at hungarian statistics.
@@DacianRider that's not even what the comment said. They were pointing out that some of the territory was majority Hungarian, which is entirely true. They also said that taking non-Hungarian majority land made sense. Now you're the revisionist.
@@DacianRiderNot all (far from it) but *some* of the territories taken from Hungary were still mostly populated by Magyars. Like southern Slovakia, northern Serbia or Transylvania.
This was highly hypocritical from powers like Wilson's USA.
@@themetroidprime in any case, happened over 100 years ago... move the F on !
@@DacianRidergive it back and we will move on. Its easy to say that for you, who didnt have to suffer as a result.
The eu needs a reform that allows a member state to be kicked out if there is unanimity. Hungary makes so much problems in the EU, they are blocking everything including aid to Ukraine.
Hungary just collects money from us. We should use more help to prepare other countries that really want to join the eu and are close to do it for example Albania, North Macedonia and Montenegro.
In fact, for the second year now, I have been surprised by the fact that there is no mechanism for excluding a country from the EU. I'm not talking about the circus when Russia chairs the UN and Iran chairs the human rights forum. Seriously - this is some kind of circus.
Because the EU was made for larger countries to control smaller countries. Its all politics. Hungarians are just stubborn and refuse to be controlled out-right. The French wanted an easier way to control the east and create a "wall" to prevent Russian advancement from moving east so they crippled Central Europe. Divide and conquer. The small countries are easier to control through faux unity disguised as the EU.
As a Hungarian I agree with that "when you have no future, you live in the past". (John Grisham) - And I'm sure that there is a big plan in Orban's brain, because he is a great strategicm but he is liar, unfair. Sometimes I hate being Hungarian because he is our prime minister.
What about the deeds of your ancestral homeland in the middle-east?
I say: it is not mandatory being Hungarian "rather few lions than many rabbits ..." ... just take the easier way of living (cowardly) ... melt in and dissapear in irrelevance ... Hungarians are people who want to make a difference in the world!
Putin did not say that collapse of the Soviet Union was “the greatest tragedy in history”. He said it was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century”. Careful with your words there, that’s a huge difference and is misleading.
The Treaty of Trianon was kinda unfair, leaving too many ethnic Hungarians outside the new Hungary borders. These treaties usually just cause more problems going forward.
How was it unfair for the Austro-Hungarian Empire to cede land after its defeat? If the enemy had been defeated, would it have ceded land to Hungary? War is fair! Hungary, a small and small country, always challenges the EU's values in Europe. Do you really think Hungary is very powerful?
@@elistone1978119 Are you drunk? Hungary chalenged EU values in 1920?
Just wanted to say that it seems a bit unfair that Hungary lost about 31% of its Hungarian population, considering the ethnic map from 1920. For example, Germany lost about 10% in the same way. However, today it is rather too late for such revisions, and the borders tend to be erased with the EU federalization anyway.
bro you are dumb, the treatry was fair as austrohungary lost the war and so as much land can be taken as the invader can take and hold, also it was to liberate many ethnic ppl like slovaks and romanians from the oppressive maygars. Not only that but the new states took many lands to make sure they had good defense borders if hungary ever wanted to invade its former lands again, which it did in 1919 but lost to romania the slovaks and czechs, with aid from france, but budapest was still invaded by romania that all maygars seem to not mention lol. Unfortually the new borders of czechoslovakia romania and serbia were not perfect in defense, as slovakia should have got more of the matras to have mountains in the south to plug up the gaps against hungary, and some of the 3 rivers below kosice for better defense, as romania should have all the lands east of the tisa river, serbia is still screwed as all the lands north of it is just plains so no defense there. yet the allies did not do that as 60% of the kingdom of hungary was already taken, and too many maygars would be outside of hungary, like mayve half of all maygars in europe would live outside of hungary. Causing a huge risk of civil war in the new nations formed after wwi, and even if they forced them all to move to the smaller hungary like we did to the germans to germany and austria after wwii, it would be like 8 million ppl all crammed into a hungary that is half the size of hungary today. Causing too much economic crisis, food shortage, and homeless ppl as that is too much ppl for a small state that does not have the infurstruction to support everyone, when before their system relied on a system that had like 3 times the land.
@@p1jos1s wrong, 750,000 maygars were in czechoslovakia and 1.5 million in romania after wwi, making a total of 2.25 million maygar living outside of hungary, you can round up to 2.3 million if you include the very small amounts in ukraine, austria, crotia, serbia, and slovenia. At the hieght of the kingdom of hungary during wwi the amount of maygars in the kingdom was 9,94 million. meaning 2.3 million / 9.94 million comes out to 23%. As 5.5 million germans in poland during 1944-1945 and another 3.325 million from poland during 1946-1948 were kicked out, and 3 million from czechoslovakia and 250,000 from Hungary were also kicked out after wwii, making about a total of 12 million germans kicked out of former german terrorites and into mainly germany and some to austria, not only that but some reports say about 3 million germans also fled to avoid the red army before the end of wwii so like about 15 million germans were displaced, as the population of germany was 80 million, making about 18.75% of germans in europe be displaced, now many of them returned to germany or austria so compared to hungary germany kepted many of its ppl, but still about 15 million germans lives being uprooted is more tramaticed than 2.25 million maygars who stayed in their homes and villages and cities with just them being under a new government ruled by nonmaygars, who did not abuse them. Yes some stupid maygar will say they are abused as their culture and langauge does not come first in slovakia or romania, but thats all nations, their main ethnic group comes first, i do not see slovak or serbia being a primary lanugage in hungary to or back during 1918 when slovaks and romaninas combined maybe up like 23.5% of hungary's population.
Hi! very interesting video! I was wondering if you could explain what your sources were for this video? The sources in the bio are a little unclear. thank you!
The propaganda of DK, Momentum, and all the left parties 😄
Becoming more and more biased it seems with time. Disappointing to say the least
HUNGARY is a very cool country
Goulash.
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Due to the division of roles in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy before the First World War, the Hungarians had their own military affairs and did not pursue foreign policy, so they had no influence on the military leadership and attack directions during the First World War.
For this reason, at the end of World War I, the Hungarians did not have a network of relations between the countries and did not have an interest representation system, so during the Trianon negotiations, significant distortions, misdirections, and shifts occurred during the establishment of ethnic borders, in favor of the newly created countries.
In a painful way, these territories were not acquired by other countries because of military activities, but through administrative decisions.
At the end of the First World War, the old country borders were intact, and there were no foreign soldiers in the old territories of Hungary. The victorious federal system (Entente) demanded the disarmament of the Hungarian military and then promised fair, ethnically based peace negotiations.
When this was achieved, the armies of the new states invaded, occupied and looted these territories without resistance, then carried out ethnic transformations, liquidated tens of thousands of people, and deported millions. All this happened under the supervision and tacit consent of the victorious powers.
(The vast majority of Hungarian families today were affected by these displacements and separations.)
Then, at the Trianon negotiations, the newly, absurdly created territorial borders were approved.
An example of this is the union of Transylvania with Romania.
In the fall of 1918, the 10-20% Romanian population living there announced their territorial accession to Romania, a decision that was later accepted as a fact by the great powers.
This means something like if the Muslims living in today's mosques in Marseille or Lyon in France announced their accession to Algeria, or the Cuban emigrants staying in the American area of Miami annexed the area of Miami to Cuba.
Around 6 million Hungarians still lived in the annexed areas, who lived and continue to live under economic, political and linguistic restrictions, as, for example, restrictions on the political and economic life, right to private property, and language use for Hungarians are still in force in Slovakia today.
After that, with the border changes of the great powers in 1938/39 (still in peacetime), new borders were created, approximately in accordance with the actual ethnic borders, which were abolished again by the Paris peace negotiations that ended the Second World War.
It is no coincidence that there is still considerable skepticism towards Western states.
During the economic changes that began in 1990 after the Soviet occupation, these same large countries gained significant economic importance, their dominance once again overwhelmed the country's economy and significantly drained the country's human resources.
Western economies allow limited inflow of goods produced here (unless they are produced by the multinational companies they own), so many people see the possibility of an economic breakthrough towards the opening to the East.
Hungarians do not look east for political or social reasons, but only for pragmatic economic reasons. Since this subordination and economic and human resource exploitation is the ideal state for today's western countries, they do not want to change it in any significant way, and therefore there is not much chance for a new economic prosperity or a reduction of the current subjugated state.
The new fault lines resulting from the current direction of the Union do not make the West, and the adaptation and integration expected from it, any more attractive.
From now on, it seems that the leadership of the Union does not seek the rise and development of Europe, but rather serves the economic and political goals of the USA, rather than European interests
The I. and II. The countries of the territories annexed by World War II can only be found today in traces, yet the Hungarians living there (ca. 4 million) still live there as hostages, and Hungarian inscriptions cannot be placed on the cultural heritage found there. The divided part of Germany was able to be reunited in 1990, the countries of Yugoslavia split up on ethnic grounds, Czechoslovakia split up on ethnic grounds, why can't this happen with the Hungarian nation as well??!!
LMAOOOO the amount of missinfornation just form the FIRST 2 PARAGRAPGHS is absolutely CRAZY. First of all the romanians in transylvania were an absolute majority with 54% and that's a fact, you can search it on any unbiased source, i agree that around oradea and satu mare there was a clear hungarian majority. The reason trianon was so cruel to hungary was because after you were asked to disarm, you started a communist government and attacked czechoslovakia and occupied it. Afterwards the romanians ran through you like through butter all the way to budapest where those lootings actually happened, which is, I agree, unfair. Keep in mind there was no trianon and no done negotiations yet when you started those stupid attacks. After the entente saw that you are still dangerous and you would start another war whenever you get the chance if you have power, they decided to punish you hard to make you less powerful so you dont start any wars, even though you did anyway. And dont start fucking talking about oppression after how cruel magyaryzation was. It was the most scandalous ethnic cleansing in the 20th century until ww2. Slovaks romanians, serbs being forced to use hungarian otherwise they couldnt trade, go to school, work, newspapers only in hungarian, school only in hungarian, churches only hungarian. And thats without forgetting all the centuries before when you misstreated romanians the worst, like subhumans, as many historic figures say. And we shall not talk what you all did in ww2. You are always the victim, never take accountabilty. While Trianon was harsh, I agree, you cant start playing the victim and spread false information
where is the territorial autonomy of the 5 million Hungarians under occupation in the Carpathian basin ??????? ..what goes to the Catalans--to the Irish in the north--to the Austrians in South Tyrol...it goes to the 5 million Hungarians too!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............
" 5 million Hungarians under occupation" bla bla bla.
@@leme5639 minimum....
5 mil hungarians there?!? this kind of lies, false reports, exaggerated statistics you guys tried to present in Paris, cancelled for you any chance of debate
@@MioaraAntochi assimilation ?...name ?..parents? grandparents?...officially, there may not be 5 million..but unofficially there are....with the many assimilated...let's look at their names...parents---grandparents' names !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. .....in 1910, 1.7 million Slovaks lived in the highlands....in 1953, 4.5 million ?....joke.. ! where did they come from?...Hungarians...etc...and this is the case in the whole Carpathian basin!!!in the Carpathian Basin, many 1,000 Hungarian schools and kindergartens were closed after 1920!
@@GÓRAL-o2j ruclips.net/video/pAQiRgAlAe0/видео.html
What Orban wants is a fantasy,we live in 2024 not 1000 ,when Magyars conquered all the lands around them.
Until now Turkey invaded Syria 3 times and is expanding its infrastructure there: Schools, telecommunications, banking, administration. They drove out the Kurds (ethnic cleansing). One could see this as preparation for an annexation. And they support the Islamists in Libya. There is a small Turkish or Turk-descended population there. Also, they could try to create a land bridge between Turkey and Azerbaijan. One people, two states. Which gives Turkey the possibility to move troops on the Iranian border and have access to the Caspian Sea. North Iran is inhabited by lots of Azerbaijanis. Turkey has a lot of "projects" running, and I guess as long as Greece doesn't become a pacifist country, the threat is low compared to these other locations.
Yeah, Greece also has a defense pact with France, so Turkey attacking Greece would literally be the end of Erdogan
@@슬라바우크라이나헤로 yes, because the French are known for their military prowess.
@@MrTaxiRob they wete the colonial power of Africa to last the longest woth influence and the like
@@Huminahumina465 oh wow, how amazing that they conquered people with scarcely better than medieval technology. You really love colonialism, don't you?
@@MrTaxiRob hey, IM just saying that shows France does have military capabilities. They’re number one in the EU
Can you please make video how Polish policy towards Hungary changed after Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was quite a rude awakening from your illusion about brothers in arms and bottles...
I'm afraid I must disappoint you. Hungarian Polish relations are too old and too strong to ruin it with one conflict. Just think! It survived both world wars and all conflicts back to medieval Europe.
Current polish regime in fact stabbed Hungary in the back with some public speech. Speaking about alliing with Romania was an extreme insult on Hungarians. Now we will see how polish get their reward and getting ruined in under the reign of Tusk lolz. However we still know a regime is not the same as ppl, so we still praying for Polland. As the old Hungarian saying tells, we love polish ppl really, but we never loved them because of their cleverness.
Hungarians never mix up the government with the people/nation. Even in WWII Hungarian soldiers never shot at Polish soldiers. At the time of the Warsaw uprising Hungarian soldiers offered a corridor to the Poles to come and go from the city. So, a thousand years old friendship among people can't be broken just because of temporary governments.
Orban would sell Poland în a second to putin.
@@alinpacurar8691 No doubt about that... Hopefully majority of Poles will realize it too rather soon...
The amount of people I see thinking that Greater Hungary only existed within the Austrian empire and not before that is simply astonishing..... Please guys get a history book or something
Justice for Hungary ✌
This video also suggests that Hungary should forget the 3 million hungarians around us, who were torn away from us in 1920! Disgusting! And what about the austrian autonomy in South Tirol, Italy? The hungarians don't deserve what the austrian minority has in Italy??....
God bless Hungary !!!
Yet good to see Orban is destroying it.
In the sewage of history. Again.
Seems like he took great inspiration from Pootin!!
As a Hungarian I have to say, I rarely see a spot on analysis on the Hungarian government, even though the NER was a bit over represented. NER is just a political idea and only for the FIDESZ fanatics. There's still free press in the country and frankly everyone else using NER in a negative connotation or even as a joke.
I wouldn't think Orban revisionist dreams are honest. Hungary has nowhere near the military power, to try to occupy even the ukranian part of the "big hungary".
All the paddle seems much more focused on just to holding onto power and push Hungary more and more towards the eastern dictatorships. Hence the friendliness with the serbian president AND with the re-elected Fico in Slovakia, who is by the way a proud hungarian hater. That somehow does not bother Orban...
Even though I like Hungary this is a problem that I've always seen present among Hungarians. Irredentism and frustration runs far deeper than in any other nation of the zone. I want them to know that here in Romania we will fight for every single centimeter of our country.
If I might add, perhaps Romania should grant greater linguistic and cultural autonomy while maintaining national control over Magyar settled areas. If the ethnic Magyars in Romania felt more comfortable inside Romania it might dull the revisionists in Budapest.
@@pwp8737 as I recall ethic magyars elect theyr representives in the parliament and have been in power in goverment for most of the time of the last 35 years since the revolution, I mean I think they should demand themselfs from theyr representatives specific solutions to specific problems they have , instead of electing election cycle after election cycle the same old corrupt party and politicians that don't do barely anything to improve those communities and prefers to steal the funds and resources that they manage. My opinion
@@stefanionutalexandru6916 both our views are not mutually exclusive. Greater cultural autonomy and more accountability would lessen the irredentism from Hungary and strengthen Romania in the long term.
@@pwp8737 maybe hungarians in romania should be loyal citizens of romania first and foremost and come forth with projects and ideas that could benfit all of the country instead of constant threats and blackmail for theyr self centered interest, maybe hungarians in romania should try to respect romania and romanians and stop bitching and sking orbans ass and ideology about greater hungary, just saying, at this rate , the Hungarian community will have a president in romania in 100 years instead of 20, you narrow mind ,hive mentality ,lack of vision pises of sht . Think of it more as of constructive criticism rather than an insult from a person that likes the Hungarian community and hungary in general from romania. Fya , I'm all for minorities rights, language facilities and more, up until the word autonomous region pops up, until I feel that hungarians in ro are first romanians And then hungarians, and until I have absolutely no doubt that secession in a possible future has no possibility of occuring, until then I'd rather have a civil war than give autonomy to some wolf's in sheep's clothing, not to mention until I see hungary look more like finland in terms of democracy and culture rather than Nazi germany before it entered the war( in a 21th century , eu and nato member kinda way of course)
@@pwp8737Hungarian minority in Romania already elects its own representatives in the counties and towns they are inhabiting. They learn in hungarian language from kindergarden to university. They are free to asociate with whomever they choose to, and nobody in Romania demands them to declare themselves as foreign agents. They can spwak hungarian whenever they want, to whomever they want. Nobody stops them. They can practice their religious cults without persecution or interference.
WHAT ELSE DO THEY WANT?
Hungarian people are not revisionists. We have idiots, but most of us are not living in the past.
I see most people spitting shit on Hungary and Orban. Revizionism is not Orban's invention. It is completely natural when you lose 70% of your territory which you owned for a millennia. Interesting to see the hatred, misunderstanding, not wanting to understand the situation. First decades came the ban of "irredentism" now you cannot even mourn your loss. Because then you are shit. My paternal ancestry (german-hungarian) were kicked out of so called Czechoslovakia in 1919. They could carry 0 bags, just go, because they were Hungarians or pro Hungarians. Here people spitting shit and hatred on Hungary, because they cannot accept a horrible trauma. While all of these haters hang on their still newly acquired territory. A Ukrainian blames Hungary for caring Hungarians in Subcarpathia? Where there were no Ukrainians living when they got it in 1945??? Really? Would a Romanian accept Wallachia to cut into pieces or Moldva? An Englishmen would accept 70% taken away, Manchester, Newcastle all gone? What about a Noorwegian or French??? I guess no! You could brake the spin of the German expelling 10-12 million while massacring a couple of hunfredthousands after war, planting the blame in their minds, brainwashing them with the guilty nation stuff, just because you were afraid, that 3rd time, you would lose, and then Vae Victis, you would get same treatment what you gave for the Central Powers. Because the roots of 2nd world war goes back to the 1st. Now you can afraid only of Hungary, who has not succumbed, not forgetting their past and trying to take care of his brothers.
You could have made gestures, but you never did, just cementing your power and make homogenising the newly acquired stuff (Eupen and Malmedy, Elsass-Lothringen, Transylvania, Upper-Hungary, South-Tirol, Silesia, Pomerania, East-Prussia). You could have given a fair treatment but you never did, and now you blame Hungary ... we rather die, but you not gonna break our spine like you did with Germans. I'm telling you, we have every right to be irredentist.
Benes decrees still active in Slovakia and still confiscate hungarian property refering to the decrees. They deported more hungarian and german than the nazis jew. Besides this they czechs give themselves to Hitler without a single shot and they emerged as "winners". Benes deported more hungarian and german than the nazis jew.
Romanians = opportunis country not an organic one. They would extend their borders from Tisza river to Crimea.
@@trunksajovobol3792: And there you are: hateful, thus irrational!
Really: Were Romanians ever asked, under the Hungarian rule, how it was like to live as second-class citizens? What about the other ethnic groups? Hungary was a prison for non-Hungarians!
@@abcMW1989 You had more rights than in any Western European country where especially since the french revolution the minorities eliminiated. Hungary was not a prison romanians flee to Transylvania from Wallachia for work and for better living conditions.
The only region was the city of Sopron where the winners of ww1 let to vote where the population want to belong after the war. They highly voted for Hungary and not Austria despite the majority was german population and austria made a huge campagin before the vote.
While Orban is ultra-nationalist so is much of Hungary. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it revisionist. Men who grew up in post WW2 reconstruction are especially likely to hold a chip on their historic shoulder.
Orban is absolutely not ultra-nationalist, he is just normal, which shamefully can be stated in relations of almost no other european leaders in general.
Orban ultra nationalst?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 tell that to the Hungarian far right too. Ridiculous. May be in the west kind of like Orban is ''far right'' but belive me he is far from that.
Correction: you cannot organise referendum on constitution (in Hungary). The reason is simple a referendum means that a simple majority can change the constitution. And that makes the system very fragile. The reason the Fidesz was able to do it is due to an extraordinary majority gained by successive elections.
And the video maker forgot the fact, that the old constitution was a patched up version of the 1948 Communist one. Apparently, the "civilized" West is never get triggered by the bloody past of the Communist crimes.
Hungary is not the enemy of the West, but the exact opposite. Hungary owes its greatest historical tragedy to the West. In 1920, the country was mutilated like no other country in the world. Millions of Hungarians in the annexed areas and in the neighboring countries still live in oppression, with curtailed rights. The fate of Hungary is a shame for the West.
I vote for total EU blockade of all Hungarian commercial industries until they release EU funding for Ukraine.
You're insane. That money is just another way of saying "funding a proxy war between Brussels/USA and Russia".
Send money on your own right
@@mastermindd I do, but I want my taxes to go to Ukraine too
@@gawkthimm6030 Why? If your taxes don't go to your home country, it won't be able to help Ukraine on a larger scale...
JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY !!!
I will save you 40 minutes of your lives: NO it's not a revisionist state. Have a nice day
Ok Orbanite.
Yeah sure, mate. Just like Turkey ONCE wasn't a revisionist state until it decided to change the established rules.
Yeah sure, mate. Just like Turkey ONCE wasn't a revisionist state until it decided to change the established rules.
The clickbait, erm, I mean the totally serious title says "Is Orbán's Hungary a Revisionist State" in present tense, to which the answer in present tense is no. It also was no 1999 when Bill Clinton suggested the mobilization of the Hungarian Army against Serbia, it was no in 2015 and again it was no in 2022 - 3 instances where Orbán was PM and a chance to be somewhat revisionist occurred @@georgedevries3992
Hungary didn't loose "his territories" these territories didn't belong to Hungary they where annexed and belonged to other people and kingdoms before Austria-Hungary even existed, so you can't be mad about loosing territory which you stole in the first place.
Learn more history
Turkey doesnt have claims on inhabited greek islands of the Aegean. The dispute is about small islets that arent mentioned in the treaty of Lausanne and they are willing to settle the matter in the international court of Hauge.
They are actually contesting the Dodecanese islands, which are inhabited. And the reason why they do that is because the Dodecanese islands were not subject to the Lausanne treaty. The Dodecanese belonged to Italy when the Lausanne treaty was signed, but Italy gave them to Greece after World War 2.
I did not know Orban was a Turanist. This video made me like him more. Thank you for the information.
The so called "Greater Hungary" is the normal Hungary.
The current Hungary is the normal Hungary.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth No way. 😂
14:50 Europe live in post-libearism not liberalism. In the West the powers are not separated you can vote the same parties with different flags. The economy is not lead by market (e.g.: sanctions against russia or US customes for eastern companies) and individualism became enemy of the freedom.
Hungary "lost" Transylvania, Slovakia and Croatia because those regions were majority romanian, slovak, croat and the hungarians there just a minority.
@Protagorasz In Transylvania at that time romanians had no rights, they were not even recognized as a nation, they were merely slaves. I am sure that all the other affected nations have a similar story.
At Trianon the nations were given a choice and they've made it.
Have hungarians suffer at Trianon, of course they did but no more than the rest of the affected nations before Trianon.
Hungarians never take into account the other nations around them, to them, only they exist and the rest can just shut up.
In Transylvania there are seven million romanians. What would happen to them if Hungary gets its wish???
@Protagorasz blablabla, if you hungarians wanted a multhiethnic state in the first step you should not have alienated all ethnic minorities living in hungary. That is the reason why every nation living in hungary separated.
Three-time French Prime Minister André Tardieu in his book La paix: "It was not possible to hold a referendum in the Highlands separated from the Hungarians, because then Czechoslovakia would not have been created as a result of the population's counter-vote."
LOL. What a marxist propaganda. Especially clearly hungrian ethnic with 99% next to the hungarian border.... The croats, slovakians, prospered during hungarian ruled thats why became 5 million country today.
Bratislava in 1920: 36% german, 30%hungarian, 33% slovak. 2020: 100 % slovak. Thats the slovakization.
It is kind of an open secret that we would have moved into zakarpatia if the russians had won the war in ukraine. Do with this info what you will
And before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, apparently people there happily spoke Hungarian or Ukrainian or both. But now, because Russia used language as one of the many false justifications for its terror, those of Hungarian descent in the area are beginning to speak Ukrainian as an expression that they see themselves as Ukrainian. I think Putin and Orban have been awful for their respective populations, their cultures, and now, their languages.
Its fascist propaganda ukrainian far right alongside with european far left pressing, and some lunatics in russia babbling about nuking various european countries, babbling about as well.
“An insignifIcant landlocked microstate” oh like Austria?
They seem to be doing quite alright.
Austria?? Not really, they're also completely in the pocket of Russia. And they're increasing their dependency even more on Russian gas and oil... Crazy stuff. I mean what happens for example if Ukraine stops transporting anything through their country?? This is actually guaranteed when the contract expires next year. What happens if Bulgaria decides to stop all Russian gas to pass through their country? which they've been discussing?? All of Europe has made sacrifices to replace their Russian vulnerability, buying more expensive stuff if needed... the only exceptions? Austria and Hungary... nobody will feel bad for them.
Yeah.. they only seem to do ok..
Austria before joining EU was a relatively poor state.
After ww1,ww2 they starved and get freeloading from allies
I'm a hungarian from over the border, Serbia. In 2010 there was a governmental action, that any Hungarian can get HUN citizenship from the former territories. As soon as i got my hungarian citizenship (double citizenship, on the proof that my grandmother was born in Hungarian territory in 1942), I have emigrated to an EU country. So did many other hungarians, and in just 10 years the number of hungarian people in Serbia shrunk by 40 thousand people to a respective number of 130,000. So did everywhere in the rest of the former territories. This idea of revision is nice, but it's just a fantasy, nothing less, nothing more. Maybe he bases some of his propaganda on this, but it's something he will never tell himself publicly. In other words, fooling an entire nation, as all politicians do.
the citizenship act is not revisionist at all all it is that it gives Fidesz a permanent reliable votebank that will vote for Orban because he is the only one that will guarantee their citizenship and voting rights as ethnic Hungarians.
@@covfefe1787 lol... my citizenship is guaranteed from the time i got it. nobody can withdraw that.
@@davidboskovic6581 yes they can Governments can at anytime withdraw citizenship for any group they desire. for example if a government hates redheads then they can pass a parliamentary act that strips redheads of their citizenship. the same can happen to you. granted I dont know Hungary’s oppositions policy on giving citizenship to people based on ethnic origin even though its common practice in most EU countries Like Ireland France and Poland.
@@covfefe1787 well, not as long as they are in the EU. as they exit, i don't even need that citizenship.
Gerinctelen pénz imádók a hozzád hasonlók
The Hungary pro Russia government was Russian preparation for the next step after Ukraine's fall. Plan was good...
From the looks of him, if he doesn't lay off the szalonna the world isn't going to be troubled by Viktor Orban much longer. That raises the question of succession. If he's done as thorough a job of disposing of anyone who might adequately replace him as most of his sort typically do (for fear that they might not want to wait), Hungary isn't going to pose much of a threat to anyone but Hungarians.
youre nothing but wrong. thanks for the laugh mate.
"The main loser of WWI and WWII was Hungary. Trianon was unjust. Hungary was always respectful of ethnical minorities within its territory."
Exactly 116 years ago, the Hungarian Parliament adopted the 26th and 27th articles of the Hungarian Code, which, together with other regulations from 1908, are usually referred to as Apponyi's school laws. They were the last significant step that was supposed to contribute to the Magyarization of the whole Great Hungary.
In elementary schools, the teaching of the Hungarian language was prescribed, so that in the fourth grade the pupil could express his thoughts in Hungarian in words and in writing. Conscious Hungarians should have come out of elementary schools, regardless of what their mother tongue was.
It was only the culmination of a started process, the end of which was supposed to be a unified Hungarian nation speaking the Hungarian language.
The laws bear the name of their creator, who was the Minister of Culture and Education, Albert Apponyi. In Slovakia, his name became synonymous with the peak of violent Magyarization.
In the Hungarian national consciousness, according to contemporary Hungarian historian József Demmel, these
laws are known only hazily. Apart from a few focused experts, almost no one knows about them.
In Hungary, Apponyi's name is more associated with the unsuccessful Trianon peace negotiations after the First World War, which ended in 1920 with the definitive fall of the Great Hungary.
The 70s of the 18th century were a turning point for Slovaks in the Great Hungary. In 1875, Matica slovenská (National institution for Slovak interests) was abolished. Its building in the town of Martin was designated for government institutions, the government confiscated the funds and later used them to finance Magyarization associations. They immediately abolished the Slovak high schools.
Kálman Tisza made no secret of his aim to make the whole society Hungarian. His intention was to start at an early age, that is why he advocated the systematic introduction of Hungarian into schools. The School Law of 1879 legislated Hungarian as a compulsory language in all primary schools in the Great Hungary. Its goal was that every citizen could learn the state language.
The law on secondary schools from 1883 caused the complete Magaryzation of all state high schools. Hungarian language and literature became compulsory subjects for all students, who also had to take the final exam in Hungarian.
It is worth stopping at the Kálman Tisza´s school law, because a rare phenomenon occurred here - an influential Hungarian member of parliament spoke out against it. In it we find an example of a Hungarian politician who decided to go against the flow and that was his end. Lajos Mocsáry, a nobleman and a fearless man who advocated the granting of autonomous status to minorities, accused the proponents of the law directly contradicting the nationality law of 1868, which generally existed only on paper and was not implemented in practice at all. Mocsáry did nothing but stick to his own program, which advocated the rights of nationalities. He also spoke out against the abolition of Matica slovenská. In the parliament, he spoke for the expansion of nationality rights and against the Magyarization policy. The Independent party later expelled him. In 1889, Mocsáry was again elected to parliament, this time supported almost exclusively by Romanian voters. Nevertheless, he ended up as a political mummy, because his Hungarian colleagues wanted nothing to do with him.
The most severe, Apponyi school laws were adopted by the government in 1907. Another part of the law was that after the end of the fourth grade, children in all schools must be able to speak and write the Hungarian language. They were also allowed to speak only in Hungarian. Pictures from Hungarian history had to hang in the classrooms.Teachers were required to take an oath in Hungarian in presence of a government inspector. They could not bypass it in any way, because if they refused, they would be prosecuted for anti-state thinking. The government thus controlled all schools, state and church.
Such school laws are unthinkable for us today, while they were created only a little over a hundred years ago. In the literature, the statement of the Hungarian member of parliament Béla Grünwald from his book Felvidék from 1878 is often mentioned, where he writes that "the secondary school is like a big machine, where hundreds of Slovaks enter at one end and come out as Hungarians at the other". This was the goal of Apponyi's laws.The subject of Hungarian language often surpassed all the others combined in number of lessons, but it usually did not teach the children fluent Hungarian. The reason was simple. After leaving school, they stuck to their Slovak or Romanian, as their parents taught them.
The result was rather a decrease in the quality of teaching, because next to Hungarian language, there was less time left for other subjects or their teaching became incomprehensible to the pupils in Hungarian. Czech teacher Karel Kálal, who personally visited Slovakia in those days, wrote: "I tested several Slovak children from Hungarian schools and I was convinced that they did not know the multiplication, they did not know the world sides, they did not even know the clock, but above all: they had no opinion."
Another consequence of the harsh school laws was the escape of students to schools abroad. Then they returned to the Great Hungary with rebellious views. Slovaks left for Bohemia and Moravia, where the conditions for the national rights were incomparable.
Before the First World War, teaching in Slovak was practically stopped in public schools in Slovakia. Only one-sixth of children received information in Slovak in primary schools. In 1913, statistics said that in the Great Hungary (together with Croatia) there were 369 primary schools with at least partial teaching in the Slovak language, no high school with the Slovak language. In terms of percentage, primary schools with the Slovak language made up two percent of all primary schools in the Great Hungary, for high schools it was zero.
And this despite the fact that the 1910 census, which bore strong signs of manipulation, registered 1.97 million people speaking Slovak as their mother tongue in the Great Hungary, which means that they made up 9.4 percent of the total number. The numbers for the most numerous nation say that in the Great Hungary Hungarian native speakers numbered 10.05 million (48.1 percent) and had 13,692 primary schools (73.6 percent of the total). In high schools, the proportion with Hungarian as the teaching language was even higher - 84.9 percent.
Comparing the numbers leads to a single conclusion - the policy of Magyarization of education was slowly coming to a succesful end. The Hungarians only needed to acquire the remaining one quarter of all primary schools and a little more than one tenth of secondary schools in order to be completely homogeneous.
If we deduct from all these numbers the Croats, who had a semi-autonomous status and had ten percent of primary and nine percent of secondary schools, then the numbers for the Hungarians would be even more favorable and the final goal even closer.
Education was supposed to be the most effective method of Magyarization, because it took things straight from the floor. However, there were many more methods among the adult population.
...The Slovak deputy, Ferdiš Juriga, elected in 1910, became famous in mid-October 1918 when he declared in the Hungarian Parliament that the Slovaks had created their own national council, which would decide their fate. He indicated a possible connection between the Slovaks and the Czechs. The lower house laughed at him, and a few days later Albert Apponyi declared: "We do not know Czechoslovakia, Bohemia is a reality, the rest is just a formula."
A year later, Apponyi, as the head of the Hungarian delegation at the peace negotiations in Paris, asked the victorious post-war powers to preserve historic Hungary "in the name of civilization, because only this state is capable of ensuring peace, order and prosperity for the population." Aponnyi remained the same person and, as a sign of his unchanging attitude, did not sign the humiliating Treaty of Trianon. It was signed by designated representatives, who then disappeared from public life.
Currently Slovaks are irritated by Hungarian minorities who do not want to learn the language of the country. This long litany is exactly about that: the Hungarian Kingdom expected the Slovak minority to speak the official language of the country. Like the US expects Mexicans to speak English, so I don't really understand the problem.