Yes Jay, definitely start doing Ultrawide testing as well! I usually assume the 1440p performance and take away 25-30% (given linear scaling, which I know is not exactly true/real).
Its hard as hell to make a decision when it comes to 1440p to see where the value is cpu wise, i complain on every video and people just reply with buy the fastest one listed on the 1080p. well the 5800x3d isnt the fastest at 1440p.
Yeah, after seeing enough gaming benchmarks subtracting 20-30% of 1440p performance is actually pretty close to what you'll ultimately get in-game at those settings. When in doubt, you're going to get significantly more than 4K because that remaining 60% increase of resolution REALLY taxes GPUs.
@@revog7 i'm currently playing on a 5800x3D system with 3440x1440p monitor and i really can't complain. Paired that amazing CPU with a 3080ti and i can play nearly all titles 120hz upwards, no problems at all...
I'm one of these 7+ year old build (5930K/980Ti) users. Recently I've been bashing my head looking at numbers figuring out the right build, also fighting the idea of waiting. Having you reinforce the point that whatever I buy from the last couple generations will be magnitudes better than my own rig, means I can just buy any modern build now and be happy.
I went from 8700k and 980ti to a 12700k and an rtx 3070 last month and amazing at the price point. I have always bought used so it was a pleasure to go new parts finally and even though the new 13600k kinda matches the 12700k I've been rocking this for 2 weeks now and got everything on a good deal thansk to recent Amazon sales, so worth it and overkill for my 1080p 240hz e sports stuff and more casual CoD and AAA games like cyberpunk
The timing of this video... Spent six hours today researching different parts for a new build. Thank you Jay for an updated version of one of these vids.
I currently have a 5800x with a 3080ti. I would probably go with the newer ryzen 7 6800x and a 3080ti. You'll be future proof on your CPU but you'll still have a solid gpu for long term.
@@dethtour - I'm still rocking my RTX 2060 Super (I only have a 1080p / 145hz panel) and the 'bang for buck' has been amazing! I'm guessing the RTX 3080ti absolutely sh*ts all over it, but until I upgrade my monitor, the 2060 works great :)
I have been running an i5 3450 for the last 10 years, now was too confused what to buy in order to build a new pc, your video helped me understand what my requirements are and what I need to build now. Thank Jayz
@@quantin2500 Likewise, still rocking my OCéd 3570K till now till it's 3rd mobo died. Decided to upgrade platform and not replace the G41 mobo, coz the gaming fps have dropped into the unplayable region. Looking forward to the i5-13400F next year.
I'm waiting for 3060/Ti to fall below 300 or 3070/Ti to fall below 400, then I'll do a similar thing. Although I'll probably go 5700X because it's about 200 rn, same as 5600x D:
This feels like one of those cycle’s people should skip. if you have the money then fine. It feels like these newer chips, gpu s, now power supplies need to catch up a bit with all these new power requirements and other features coming out like pci gen 5 etc. I’m waiting for all these new platforms to become the norm including ddr5
@@paullucci The 4090 aint that bad though as far as power consumption. I have the TUF OC model and even with a manual overclock to 2.98ghz it's most of the time below 400, sometimes it will hit 450 or 460W but that's not that much more than my Strix 3080Ti was pulling. The 13900K is power hungry but it's not going to pull peak power when gaming and you can always go with a 13700 or 13600K or wait for Zen 4 3D I guess.
The M.2 NVME was a game changer for me. I bought the SSD just for Windows & programs and the boot-up speed is incredible. Will upgrade my 1TB HDD to SATA SSD in the future as well.
HDDs are pretty much obsolete in my opinion. My sister gave me her old, "slow" HP 17" 4th gen i5 laptop. I put a 240gb SSD in and doubled the ram (4gb->8gb) and its so much nicer to use.
@@iPlayOnSpica Yep, I still run HDD mainly because I have a mirrorless camera and the photos are huge (~20MB each). You don't need superfast storage for them. And price-to-space ratio for HDDs is great.
@@iPlayOnSpica 1 2TB 7200RPM WD black HDD with 2 M.2 nvme pcie gen 4 1TB and 2TB SSDs. Gaming highlights and replays as well as older games like D2 LoD in the 2TB HDD, OS and game clients on the C: 1TB SSD and games on the D: 2TB SSD. My case also has 3 more Hotswap drive bays that I'd love to put to use. I think everyone should do this for the best possible experience using a PC for gaming.
This video is amazing. I built my rig in 2014 and have been thinking about upgrading/replacing. The current computer parts landscape is an absolute mess with GPUs, but this is such a great starting point to relearn the state of pc tech. Thank you!
Really appreciate videos like this Jay. I built my computer in late 2018. Given that it's turning 4 this year, I'm looking at what it would cost for a new system and hand my primary system down to my daughter. I love building computers, but I don't have time to keep up with all the changing tech. This video really helped me home in on what to look for. I tend to build at the high end every 4-5 years. Wonderfully overkill for what I need it for, but always something I've absolutely enjoyed. Thanks for your time and expertise helping us hobbyists stay updated!!
After years of saving i finally have enough to make my first PC, and have been doing research for 4 weeks or so. Your videos have been a blessing. I still need to make some adjustments cuz of budget but i know at the end, no matter what i build, it will be better that the 2010 hp notebook i have right now. Thank you very much for all your work.
I don't know how okay this is, but if you haven't, also check out PC Builder. Between Jay and him I feel so much more informed about computers and ready to make decisions.
Depending on budget, go for 5600x, 5800x3D, or 12600k with 16-32GB ram and a 6600XT. 3060s are nice but still overpriced. That should give you a strong budget build that will still be good for gaming.
@@darkstorminc I just need something to play on 1080p on medium-high, thats enough for me. RX 6600 is my main target, just waiting for a little drop on prices, or a good second hand deal. Im sure something will appear with the end of the year movement on the market.
@@Xoul5200 not sure how much prices will drop. Might be waiting awhile for that. Worst case, just get a Ryzen 5600G and see how well that will work for you. What kind of games do you mostly play?
Really appreciate you mentioning us Ultrawide users! Benchmarks for 3440x1440 would definitely be pretty useful for me as that's the panel size I settled on.
I appreciated Jay mentioning it too! I just picked up an LG UltraGear 34GN850-B 34" running with an RTX 3070 at 3440x1440. I can already tell my GPU is pushing a bit more with a slight up ticket in core temp after migrating from a HP x27i.
I am building a new system for my parents, who haven't upgraded their PC in like 15 years. I was just looking at some current stuff and your video just walk through it amazingly. You are saying all the exact right things of considerations that I was looking for, for my parents. Thanks!
I just replaced my 3700x with the 5700x on x470, that system also has a RTX 3070, CPU was $199 with Uncharted for free, I just used the 3700x factory cooler on it.
Actually happy to see an EVGA sponsor read. I hope they push hard in to their current production lines and show us what other cool things they can do when not being held back.
@@shrekdaklown For real. EVGA has been the top dog in the GPU game for quite some time, it makes no sense why Nvidia wouldn't prioritize them. EVGA only made Nvidia look better!!
It's been great to see the industry adopt the format I wasn't sure it was going to be something that caught on when I bought my 34in 3440x1440 120hz around 5 years ago at the time I had just started hearing about them.
@@InMaTeofDeath Yeah, it's just been accepted as normal and included in support for pretty much every game past a certain budget level. Even certain indies just have it work without issue.
@@RicochetForce Yup and in my experience even the ones with zero native support often have user made work arounds to fix it. It's actually pretty rare for there to be no possible way to do it even if it's not true 21:9 and just a stretched image getting rid of the black bars is good enough for me.
@@InMaTeofDeath Exactly, very simple workarounds because at the end of the day it's just an arbitrary resolution. And it's a nice change from the 16:9 experience I can get elsewhere.
Jay is the go-to for understanding how to spec your build, he is the least controversial and the RUclipsr that gave the best advice and information for my mainstream consumer build. I used to be a member of the group of people with a rig from a decade ago. It had an R7 270, i7 4700K, 4TB of 8Mb/s HDD, 64G of DDR3, and a single fan as exhaust with airflow only available with a lack of side panel. To put in perspective the excruciating pain experience I put up with for 6 years; it took 20-30 mins to boot from shutdown, another 10 mins to be able to INPUT numbers for the passcode, another 10-15 mins for the apps to show up and respond, and 5-15 mins of chrome or game loading. By the time all this was done; I had all my homework done, eaten lunch, grabbed some water, and used the bathroom. I second the idea that most users won’t need much more than a 3070 Ti. I also second the idea that any entry level build, such as a Red Devil 6600 XT and Ryzen 5 5600, is just good enough. This entry level build, along with AMD’s SAM, would be able to handle; most games at 1080p and decent graphic settings, web browsing, and non-heavy work or normal school usage. After upgrading to a 6600 XT and a Ryzen 5 5600, I’ve had no issues whatsoever. I do some recording of good memories with the homies and edit them, no issues. Playing new titles like MW2, mostly high settings w/o motion sickness, no issues. Minecraft with shaders, something I’ve longed for after realizing 10fps is unbearable on my old rig, again no issues. My boot time has decreased from 20-30mins down to 15-25 secs, that’s insane! I have tried my best adjusting to not being able to hear food up, grab water, and use the bathroom to my best of abilities. No longer shall I have stuttering frames. My best bang for the buck build was all thanks to Jay’s advice and his guide videos! Thanks!
Brilliant video and you really know your audience as I'm doing EXACTLY what you outlined: limbering up to build something new to replace my 8 year old geriatric (i7-4790K, GTX 980) and I've been flip flopping between AMD and Intel. This video has helped me decide AMD is the way to go for me (will be my first!), as I'm looking to keep this new build for a long time and upgrade it as I need to. Thanks very much!
@@tanthokg Sure, I went with: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX (Sapphire Nitro OC) Asus Tuf Gaming X-670E Plus 64Gb Corsair 6000hz DDR5 RAM 2 x Samsung SSD 980 Pro 2TB Seasonic Prime PX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum PSU NZXT Z73 AIO ands a bunch of Lian Li SL120 fans Lian Li O11D EVO case Quietly confident this rig should last me the next 8 years or so!
hard to believe the first computer i put together myself is going to turn 6 soon. the latest upgrade to it was a 1080 to a 3080. hearing about evga leaving the gpu scene is what finally made me upgrade as i wanted to get a new card from them before they were all gone.
@@SGNedtiz according to an online calculator it does but i havent noticed it yet. this cpu i have is 8 years old so it's not made anymore. i would get something newer with a newer socket that will be more futuer proofed. however if you're looking for an fps example i get 50-60 fps in superposition at 1440p with max settings
I really appreciate that you acknowledge not everyone needs the newest and most expensive thing for their use case; a lot of tech folks end up sounding more like salesmen and it creates a lot of confusion for people who don't know what all the acronyms and numbers mean. People who aren't computer-literate are being sold $3k machines that they only use to check their email and watch youtube videos, it's so overkill. I'm putting a list together for a new machine right now and even though I'm not clueless, it's still tough not getting caught up in the hype, so stumbling upon this video was really refreshing. Cheers, mate.
OMG Jay you are the FIRST person I've heard mention yet the the feel and issues in Windows and I think that's a HUGE thing to know and consider. Thank you for all your work for us through this buy time!!!
I actually have a pretty unusual use case where I never play games, but I am a researcher and I run very CPU-intensive simulations (codes written by myself and others in my research group, not any commercially available software) that often take 2-3 days to complete. I have been thinking about getting a Threadripper build with the GTX 970 that I already have, but just watching these videos about new stuff is so satisfying
If it's highly parallel threadripper sounds like a good idea. Not sure how expert you all are in software development (I'd guess you're more focused on the research side) but the way you do something in software can have a huge performance impact even if the functionality is exactly the same. It might pay of to have someone specialised in optimising have a look, if you're not doing that already.
I agree, a threadripper sounds like a good idea for your needs. However, I would upgrade your gpu to something a bit more powerful (not the most recent high end tho) like a 1080 or something similar. On Ebay or Craigslist or other used markets you can get a 1080 ti for like ~$200.
Threadripper is getting pretty long in the tooth. 5950x might be better. It REALLY depends on the compiler you are using. I would go look and see if Peugent Systems has any testing on what you do. Possibly even on Reddit to see what platforms your software prefers.
Hey, Jay, I'm here to thank you! In the moment I am rocking a 2015 pre-built by Lenovo. It has crazy specs like a GTX 1050, an Intel core-i5 6400, and a hard drive, it runs so well that it hitches when I produce my music in Reaper! well, all jokes aside, your videos and others alike help me a lot to clear the air and give tools to equip me when I finally have the money to pull the trigger! When it comes to music production having a higher clock speed is very beneficial to processing sound. So, when I look at these new clock speeds I salivate, can't wait to taste the performance.
A few years ago I went from FX-6300, R9 380, 8gb RAM and a Hard Drive to Ryzen 7 2700X, GTX 1660, 16gb RAM and an SSD ... Nothing special about this build but in comparison with what I had before it was a massive improvement
Thanks for the info Jay. My current build is around 5 years old and I do plan on doing another completely new build. I think I will be going with AMD as I like the idea that I can keep the new components while also being able to upgrade to newer components whenever they may come out after in the next few years and still have everything be supported in the build.
You will not be disappointed. I'm still on AM5 currently, waiting to build a whole new system with this new stuff, but even the 3900x I have currently is amazing. I can only imagine what 7xxx series is like. It will be a night and day difference for you, you'll love it.
I feel a little burned by AMD AM4 compatibility. I got a B350 mobo to go with a Ryzen 1700 in 2017. Now, the motherboard doesn't support Ryzen 5000 series bc they don't have a compatible bios. Considering I never thought about upgrading in the intervening 5 years (and I only am thinking about it now for VR, I'm still happy with my system for flat games) leads me to not worry about upgrades in the future. In 2027 I will just be building a whole new system like I am now.
You are completely right about the workstation bit. I do quite a lot of 3D modeling and rendering on my machine and to be honest I only render single test frames, short animations or mograph on my own machine but for more demanding animation rendering and such I always outsource to a render farm because its just faster with less fuss and I could never afford that kind of computing power.
That comment you made about doing UW benchmarks would be highly appreciated! I have a 2080ti with a LG UW monitor and don’t really see a point of getting a 3080 or even 4080 unless I’m going to get a huge uplift. Would love to see UW comparisons going forward!
Out of all the video's I have watched in the last 2 weeks because I am building a new PC after 5 years. Jay, This video made the most sense to me. Thank you brother. 👍👍
Only thing I'd suggest differently is [especially for gaming], figure out which resolution/refresh rate you want to run at. It becomes a lot easier to spec the rest of the system accordingly. And if you go over budget, it's a bit easier to reel in your expectations. Also, on UW 1440, look at 4k results. Sure there are a lot more pixels involved, but your expectations are much more realistic
@@oldfrend of course. But like the old saying goes, "under-promise, over-deliver". Take the new mw2 "ultra 4k" requirements for example. My system is essentially 1 tier down from that, so I'm confident I can play uw 1440 at a reasonable rate. The question is what do the reqs consider "high fps"
@@eric-. didn't say there was. But I bought the uncharted legacy on PC a few days ago. Haven't sunk my teeth in properly just yet, but with fsr2 quality and everything high/ultra, the frames are consistently above 100 (on an uw 1440 @ 144hz adaptive). Anything over 144 (which did happen during some quieter moments) introduces tearing. All I'm saying is that hardware these days is much more capable of 100+ fps at higher resolutions
I just upgraded from an i5 4690k / 1060 3gb / ddr2 / Samsung 860 to - 13600k/3080/3600 ram/Samsung 980 Pro and the difference is massive. Will probably keep this system for 8 years!
Im also coming from an i5-4690k with a 1080, 8G DDR3 ram, Crucial MX100 512GB SSD. The new system is 13600k on z790 board, EDIT: Kingston KC3000 2TB boot drive, 64GB DDR5-6400, waiting on upcoming AMD cards to decide on GPU. But even with the same GPU, the difference like you said has been absolutely huge. I didn't realize how wide the gap was between my old system and modern hardware.
@@SGTBizarro @gotland1998 me too! Going from i5-4460, 8GB, GTX 750 Ti, 120GB Samsung SSD, 1TB HDD to an ultra build. i7-13700K, 32GB DDR5 6400 CL32, Samsung 980 Pro 1TB and 2TB, RTX 4090, and some fancy case, AIO, and fans. Parts are still arriving, but I'm sure the difference will be massive. I didn't upgrade my old rig at all and not looking to upgrade in the near future.
The part where he talked about upgrading from using 10 year old hardware really spoke to me. Recently upgraded to AMD 5900x from 1st Gen Intel i7. World's of difference. Never heard of UEFI BIOS before....things have changed.
Oh yes please include ultra wide into your benchmarks in the future! It is sooo rare to find those for 5120x1440 so we're just estimating values between standard 1440p and 4k. Even our whole senior management uses this resolution and we could never go back to 16:9 again.
21:9 2160x1080 (aka 1080p Ultrawide) gets even less love, even in modern games I have to either glitch it or mess with ini files until it accepts the resolution. Love that your company switched to ultrawide though, I could never go back as far as productivity screen real-estate goes.
boy do i love your videos Jay! you were the one who inspired me to built my first PC at 27 years old as a Physician with PC interest! Thank you so much for that
That observation regarding Intel vs AMD in fluidity and reliability was very interesting and it would be great if you could do follow ups on that. Either get behind reasons or show in half a year if anything changed though that might be very hard to do objectively
Seems like a lot of good information but definitely not the right video for someone who's just starting out like me. He might as well have been speaking in Chinese or Spanish and just way too much info. Just not as beginner-friendly video I had hoped I'll definitely come back to this in the future though
tbh if youre trying to build a rig youself you need to understand a minimum what components are and do what compatibility is and what ports works with what of course sizes are also important
I’m still on a 1080p monitor, but I’m only on a i7-6800k & a GTX 980Ti, but I’m going to build my new rig very soon, just waiting on the Rex 4080 reviews to drop, but I agree completely as I’m trying to decide between a 1440p ultrawide and a 4K monitor.
Jay - this is the best video that you have ever done. Nobody has done a good video on what hardware to choose, except you. Of course, we need ultrawide and multi-monitor benchmarks - needed that for a while. Thank you so much. You have answered 99% of the questions I currently have, in one video! Thank you so much. THIS IS YOUR BEST VIDEO EVER!!!
Still running the same 3820 i7 system with 3 2TB harddrives I built back in 2013. I did recently upgrade my GPU from a 770 GTX to a RX 6700XT, which has made a huge difference in the games I can run. Other than that I am perfectly happy with what I have as I tend to stay with older games. Probably won't make a major upgrade until things break. Guess I am on the 15-20 year upgrade plan.
I have a rig from 2010. Intei i5-750, ATI Radeon 5750HD GPU, 10GB of DDR3 RAM. It started with 4GB, I specced it up to 8 for a certain purpose, then later in life two of the DIMM slots on the motherboard failed so I can only use two of them. This machine is sadly becoming an inconvenience and there's too much it just can't do. Even less demanding modern games either stutter like a machine gun or they look like ass once you've turned the graphics down, but 10GB of RAM and an SSD has taken some of the edge off. It had a good run, but I'm upgrading very soon. Not going into the next gen but the very end of the current gen, e.g. 5800X CPU. At this stage anything is an upgrade even if not bleeding edge. And some people are still trying to sell the i5-750 for nearly £200. A CPU that came out in late 2009.
Cool, my current rig has the exact same CPU, which I never upgraded because it did pretty much everything necessary. Latest upgrade was the GTX980ti, which does well with older games on ultra and high settings on newer games. Biggest bottleneck is the SATA SSD now. New, long awaited future proof build is finally in sight! Doing that in two stages two months apart to not hurt my bank account too greatly, starting with CPU (possibly Ryzen 7700), DDR5, Mobo and nVME SSD and hanging onto the GTX980ti a bit longer until more GPUs have been released, I'm really not sure what to go for yet. Just a little more patience and following Jayz' and GN's every new video on the latest stuff.
I know this comment is like 5 months late, but in about a week and a half ill be doing my first ever DIY build and i just want to thank you for your incredibly educative and informative videos. I have been binge watching for 2 days now and trying to learn as much theoretical stuff before getting into the practical stuff and actually putting stuff together. Thank you so much!
Good luck with your build! It's really fun to do this yourself. Since this video isn't quite up to date I'd take a look at AMD's x3D CPUs (if you're gaming and aiming for a higher end rig) and also compare the power requirements of Intel 13th gen vs AMD 70xx. Intel needs a fuckload of power to match AMD at the moment. Since AMD pricing has gone down Ryzen might be the cheaper choice over time.
@@pheumann86 Hey thank you, i opted for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D now with a RTX 4070. I did go a bit overboard on the MB but it was totally worth it to me. Now i just need to wait for my parts to arrive. Super excited!!!
@@Zyantastic I'd have gone for the 7800X3D as well, but I'm not due for an update yet. I'm running the 5800X (mostly Intel before) with a 3080 TI and I'm loving it! Enjoy your building process and the rig, hope everything arrives real soon! The wait is just the worst :D
@@pheumann86 hehe yep! Im upgrading from an i7 4790k and Rtx 2060 (upgraded from a gtx970). Ill probably feel like my new system is a race car compared to what I have atm 🤣
I have to be honest unless I had a professional reason to jump into AM5/Raptor Lake, latest gen GPU’s, and DDR5. For gaming would just maximize the deals on all the last gen equipment. You can build a monster now for under 1500 really for under 1000 with some deal searching.
I'm super excited. I've got $1600. Looking to finally retire 2500k. Sons into PC gaming now. 5600 near $100 maybe the 5600x for $150 near black Friday? If I can get 2 cpus, and motherboards for $450-500. I've got power supplies, a bit of ram, peripherals, cases. Really hoping to get 2 amazing PCs. I saw a 6950xt for $530 the other day. 6800xts are constantly 500ish. Hoping to get pretty high end after all this scalping mess. Horay for gamers. Finally.
This is exactly what I did. I pieced together a 6950xt, 13600k, b660, 32gb ram for just about 1800 bucks. This rig is more than enough for the next 5 years.
This was really solid info. Thanks for looking out for us and helping see a more clear overview. I personally run a Ryzen 3600x and a 2060 super and still get the gaming experience I want. No need to break the bank.
Yes, I am that guy that built a gaming PC almost 6 years ago and it still runs fine. Looking maybe to upgrade in the near future so this video was totally for me 😅 I mostly do casual gaming so I don’t really feel I need to upgrade like right this very second. My good ol i5 and 1070 Gpu still put up a good fight. Thanks for the video, very informative 🤘
For online gaming, 12600K 3060ti reaches a lot of the in-game maximums (on Low graphics settings as most esports titles do). 300 FPS+, the rest should be spent on peripherals like highest refresh rate monitors, lossless audio headphones and fast keyboards ala Wooting 60HE
i7 4790K and FTW2 1070 Ti for me, and it still does what I want to do with no issues. Likely I won't upgrade until a hardware failure or I finally run software that just doesn't run well enough for me.
Yeah, I went from i7 4790k, 16GB DDR3, 980ti, to i7 12700k, 32GB DDR5, 3090ti back in July, and wooooo-howdy is it amazing. The only reason(s) I didn't upgrade sooner is the hardware was still going and still going strong, but I had the extra money and I decided to make a PC I could use for another 6-10yrs lol
4090 is definitely a plus to have for vr flight sims and racing sims (but I agree, it's not needed, my 2070 worked decently for all these years, though I've since upgraded to 3080ti)
@curryreeves1369 the difference has been massive, I was able to get a reverb g2 headset afterward which had a lot higher resolution over my quest 1 and still could set graphics settings higher than what I had with the quest 1. If you play a lot of demanding titles in either 4k or vr it will definitely feel like a huge leap in what your pc can do
My current system is a Pentium 4600 + a 1060 6GB and its running for 7 years now. When I bought it, I had upgrading in mind, but never did it. With that in mind, the build after the next built will be again on a new socket (wether it´s AMD or Intel), so a longtime compatibility in AMDs case will not weight as much as anticipated.
@@weswes10 I would like to be able to wait that long, but my system has really started to struggle over the last year or two, and has started showing signs of just dying completely over the last couple of months...so the amount of time I can actually wait may be quite limited. :s
Most all my systems since Win 95 have lasted 6 to 10 years, due to upgrades back when. But as time and tech moved forward, things were a little cheaper and longer lasting for me in the long run.
Great points all around, Jay! I have a 3440x1440p UW 165hz monitor and I love it. It really adds immersion to games. I'm not looking for 360fps, especially at that resolution. 120+ is good enough for me. I tend to use the 4k benchmarks as a comparison at that resolution cuz I believe 1440pUW is like 75% of the pixels of 4k. But yes, UW benchmarks would be helpful.
Thank you. I have a build running on 11 years old; chip does not support windows 10. It is nice to hear that an entry-level build is a massive increase to what I have.
I would be really interested in seeing that video on ultrawides. I just picked up a Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo in anticipation of doing a new build. It'd be great to see some benchmarks.
I still have a 10700K using it with my 4090, since I play in 4K I have not noticed any major bottleneck for not upgrading yet and the performance is enough for my needs
I'm assuming you have a z490 mobo so you have an upgrade path to an 11th gen cpu which will unlock the pcie 4.0 lanes if the mobo was designed that way. I replaced the cheap $120 10600k on my msi z490 pro with a cheap $290 11900k and now my 3090 runs at full pcie 4.0 speed which gained me a dozen frames in total with the new cpu horsepower added in.
@@dimasfazlur5926 Its maybe I am only playing in 4k which is more GPU heavy? As mentioned I do not have the feel that I need a CPU upgrade right now. I will upgrade in a year or two, keep the GPU and aim for a better CPU / RAM / MOBO combo.
I like the idea of an ebay PC vid. Would be really fun if you and a few other guys like GN etc all had $1000 to build a complete pc using any combination of new and used parts and you all had a set of defined benchmarks to compare, you get one month to find the parts.
Jay, I’m watched this video about a month ago. July of 2023. Before I was gonna go crazy and build this super powerful rig and spend way more then I needed to. I purchased a 7800x and 64gig of ddr5. And spent the money there and took the 5700xt out of my old build and used that until I could afford a 7000 series card. Great advice
Just built my new PC with the 13600k. It was auto boosting to 5.5 - 6ghz with voltages being fully reasonable. I feel no need to manually overclock this time around and all I changed was XMP and AI Optimizations. Going from a 9900k to 13600K feels amazing especially with how good the AI is getting with Auto Overclocks.
Building my first PC around Christmas time and I've slowly been getting the parts together. Your channel has been super helpful, thank you for everything you do!
I haven't upgraded since 7-8 years and its nice seeing all this options...it's all overwhelming Also YES I experienced a ssd and it was a game changer on switching it on my laptop
If you are thinking about upgrading, wait for Ryzen 7000 Series 3D Cache chips to drop in January. These are modified Ryzen chips that AMD started making with 3D Cache stacking for last gen Ryzen 5000. 3D Cache makes a HUGE difference in a fair number of games and AMD may take the gaming crown back yet again with the Ryzen 7-7800X3D chip, again due to drop at CES 2023 in January. Because AMD just lost to Intel in terms of gaming AND value, AMD will for sure be lowering their prices soon, and the 7800X3D may be a fantastic value shortly after it comes out (avoid the initial release price, wait into February or even March after the buzz dies down). However if you really don't wanna wait to see what happens, i5-13600K is the way to go for sure. Just be aware that its now nearly a 200 Watt chip, and you will need substantial cooling to get good performance out of it.
Yeah, I went from i7 4790k, 16GB DDR3, 980ti, to i7 12700k, 32GB DDR5, 3090ti back in July, and wooooo-howdy is it amazing I also picked up an all AMD system - Ryzen 9 5900, RX 6800, and I gotta say, I am kind of torn. Granted Intel/Nvidia have more ease of use, as in plug-n-play, install drivers, and you're good to go. Whereas AMD is much more finicky, but after you spent some time dialing it in, its pretty powerful.
@@DayLateGamerWill That is the joy of AMD. Everything unlocked and made for tinkering, and their speed with fixing issues on driver updates has massively improved since Ryzen 1000 came out.
I’m 37. I started building computers in the early 2000s when amd was still releasing athlon processors. When the word ssd was just being throw around. Things weren’t really that fast. I just built my first computer for gaming in years. I went with introductory grade stuff. Msi b450 bazooka, 16GB of ram, my very first ssd drive, ryzen 5 2600 and a rtx 580 4gb. And let me tell ya. I feel like I have the fastest pc in the world lol I can play any game and I’m getting 100 fps plus at 1080. I’m very happy and I spent like $400. We’ve come so far.
nice video, my current setup is i7 4770k, 16gb ram and gtx 980, yea still going strong. what i have seen recently, i will be upgrading this upcoming newyear to 13600kf, ddr5 and 3080/3080ti or something around the performance depends what i find and what price. i bet it will feel insane compared to my current setup. also it will carry me through coming years very easy.
Same setup and situation here, except 980 died and replaced with 1070. For some reason my 1070 collapsed in performance this year so it's getting painful.
@@Latezen Oh yeah it was 780 too. Memory fart. It was a 780ti palit pos. It died after a year, RMA'd it and given a new one, and then that died and then warranty was up and replaced 1070. Never getting a palit product again.
I'm still rocking my 4770 non-k, 24gb and an upgraded GTX1660. Was originally a Dell prebuilt 8770. Looking to do a similar upgrade myself in the next 4-6 months, after prices/stock stabilize (2020-2021 say lol, but I'm hopeful?) Figured I've waited long enough to actually be impressed by the money spent on an upgrade.
11:08 I'm that guy. And the reason I'm watching this kind of videos, is that I'm upgrading my system right now. I want to get a Crucial P5 Plus M.2 1TB PCIe 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD, which has a 37x higher read speed, and a 28x higher write speed than my 1TB HDD. And I think that's a hella of upgrade...
I feel like this video is speaking directly to me. I recently realized my8-10 year old cpu was outdated when I watched someone do a $300 budget build... and when I compared the components every single one of them out performed mine by over 300% I got a sata ssd last year and it was revolutionary
Jay, I absolutely get that the majority of people arent going to see a difference between DDR4 and DDR5, but people are going to make buying decisions based on the benchmarks they are going to see from content creators and almost all of those are based on DDR5. My point is that 13th gen does have potential for better value, but the caveat should be that the benchmarks they may be looking at aren't what they might get when choosing the value option
@@getwrx-d2423 13th gen is DEFINETELY SLOWER in gaming with DDR4. Sorry, but you are spreading misinformation. DDR5 gives a strong performance difference, specially in the %1 lows which is more important than avg fps. I get that it is more expensive and it is popular to hate it, but it does perform better. Don't base your whole opinion on a single review.
@@horuherodorigesu241 Exactly. High end chips need DDR4 to be utilized to their full potential. It's going to go down and it's not really that expensive. Just the economy sucks.
The 5800x3d seems to be the best value for gaming still, that's why I bought it. I'm also going SFF so the lower temps are a big deal. I paired mine with a zotac 3090 that I got on sale before the 4090 launch.
Personal opinion comment I've upgraded staying last gen (DDR4, R5 5800X3D, Asus STRIX X570, 3070) It's viable It's _powerful_ I personally don't see much reason to go latest gen... _yet_
Please don’t! I feel like 2 gens apart should be the minimum for most people. I’m personally still on a GTX1080 and a 9900k, so this Gen is very attractive, but I’m still holding out for a little while.
I feel you on that. I have two systems. I have an i7 9700k with a 2070 pairing as a stream/recording/backup PC. 32GB of a ram thats still hella powerful and useful today. I just finished upgrading my AMD 5950x platform pc that i use daily from a b550 board (that was actually failing on me due to my network port getting fried and it just wasnt stable anymore for windows so i full wiped it.) Picked up a X570S board and a new case for that PC. And got a 6950XT. Fresh installed windows and it feels like a brand spanking new machine again.
I have Ryzen 7 3700x and AMD RX 5700XT so I would love to upgrade. But need to save money first. Going to buy Intel processor and Nvidia graphics card next but not sure which yet
Yeah...I'm that guy. FX AMD cpu, old SSD with a raptor HDD spare and windows 7. 7 year old machine and never had a problem with it. Now after 3 months of watching your videos, finally building a liquid cool machine for kits with a Ryzen 7900, ASrock mobo and sabrent NVME and some Kingston Fury RAM. I only build when I need a computer and I have no need for a high-end gpu, so I put that money into the cpu. I normally try to find an open-box sale on ebay. You asked what are we looking for....for me it's "longevity". I do not need or want to upgrade every 3-4 years. You have brought me up to speed since my last build and your knowledge is appreciated...thanks Jay.
Thanks for spreading this important truth. I am using a phenom II 1055T 6 core CPU since 12 years or so. But the implementation of my SATA SSD was clearly the most massive boost on boot and loadtimes. Upgrading from that system to an up-to-date system might be as well (yep upgrading! upgrading what? From DDR3 to DDR5!) but that's beyond the point here 😄. I did put together some systems for others in the meantime and there was never any doubt at all whether to use an SSD drive or not. SSD is simply always set by default. NVMe or SATA doesn't even matter when compared to HDD. Keep the HDD for pure storage if you want but boot via SSD and install all programs that you often use, where you want a fast start, that are constantly having load times while using them to load in an instant. That will free you from the pain of loading times you didn't even know was there.
I'm personally not too concerned with re-using parts for future builds, as I'm in the "7-10 years since last upgrade" camp myself, and I want something that will last about that long going forward. I'm not going to be buying new parts every 6 months... unfortunately, AMD and Intel pretty much time their releases for every 6 months, so if I buy now, in a half year, I'll probably get buyers remorse because they came out with competitively priced mid-range options or a new high-performance shiny thing. I'll probably just bite the bullet soon and then ignore tech news for like, 2 years.
this is exactly what I do. learn all I can about current Gen. build a system. then pretend no new tech is emerging for 3 or 4 years then start learning again to be prepared to build again at the 7 or so year mark.
@@jacobmiller6664 That's the best way to do it. Especially if this era of really incremental gains going for 2-4 generations at a time. Long at how long CPUs languished until Ryzen kicked Intel in the ass.
The CPU space isn't complete yet. AMD will still release its 3D V-cache tech sometime early next year. I'm looking forward to the benchmarks on those and I'm biding my time for when it comes. In future benchmarks, I also highly recommend looking at the 'promised' synergy benefits from tech like resizeable bar, DirectStorage, etc. between all the brands.
Aye, I'm doing the same thing. I could absolutely get myself a new computer going right now, but I know that there'll be better stuff coming very soon, so I'm willing to wait a bit.
@@LoremasterYnTaris And a few month after the 7800X3D there will be MeteorLake. And Zen 5. And if you waited for Zen 5 then the next GPUs will just be a few month away... There is always something new just a few month in the future. In the past you KNEW that in a few month there will be faster stuff for the same amount of money. However, today there will be faster stuff - but for what price? The new stuff increases the cost way more than it increases the performance. You get 20% more performance for 40% higher price. IMO there is absolutly no use in waiting for new products - if you have use for a new computer right now, just go for it. Times were it is worth to wait because you will get more bang for your buck in the future are gone. Chances are high you will continue to get less bang for your buck with future products.
@@wedgeantilles8575 Definitely a good point, but my current machine is honestly fine, so I'm willing to wait just a handful of months for most of the bugs to be worked out and for 3D V-Cache to be released on the AM5 CPUs. At that point, I'll have access to what I really care about, so I'll buy.
i know this is an older video but thank you i needed this. I havent built a pc since fx8350 and ive been out of the game a while but ive been getting back into it and this helped way more than youll ever know!
This is a video that a lot of people need to watch because I am certain that there are loads of folks who have or want to have an over powered system just to be "future proof" or want the performance just in case they may need it and the most they do is 1080p gaming. Buy what you need today, who knows what tomorrow holds.
Right now I think imma just grab myself a 5800x3D ( will give my normal 5800x to my brother ). The new CPUs really are not worth it at all for the price it will cost.
I was on a 8700k as well, ended up getting a 13700k last week, along with a new mobo (obviously) and DDR5-6400 ram. I do have a 3080 from launch a couple of years ago, but I don't think that I'll get a 4090.. yet anyway. Playing on 3440x1440 (ultrawide).
I just upgraded from a 1660s to a 1080TI on ebay used, not mined with for under 200 bucks. now I'm running 1080p over 144fps but my monitor only sees 144. Max settings. I personally don't care to pay 200+ more for RT cores. The 1660 was also use from ebay and lasted forever.
Hey Jay, what I’d like to see if you get chance is a best cooler round up for these new CPU’s (AM5 and 13th Gen.… esp as they run so hot. Maybe a bunch of coolers tested on a 7950x and 13900k worst case scenarios… It would be really helpful 👍
I have been watching so many videos on making a computer, getting ready to try to make my first. I last bought a computer about 10 years ago, and when it started struggling I just went to system gaming. I am excited to see what I can build, this video really gave me so many good tips
My last build (for myself, anyway...and the one I'm using right now) is rocking an Intel i5-6500. It's been going strong since I put this thing together back in 2016ish . . . but really starting to show it's age. Thanks for the video.
I like to go with a tick/tock approach to upgrades. One time I will do CPU/MB/RAM and then keep the existing graphics card and then the next time i'll upgrade the GPU. Every 2 cycles I get to build a free PC with left overs :)
Personally I built my computer as a gaming machine, had no use for upgrading but now I started getting into digital creation and 3D modeling so now I’m looking to upgrade within the year. This video was a great help.
Four years ago I jumped from a 2600K on Win7 to 8086K on Win10. That was a huge leap for me. Now I'm looking at when I might upgrade from my current 9900KS, and thinking that's going to be a while from now. I could easily wait 2-4 years for practical gaming purposes.
Thank you for making this type of video, I used the older one to outline my own build, and I recommend this video to any people who ask about first-time pc building!
If you are already on an am4 motherboard the 5800x3D is the best upgrade you can do for a CPU. It’s performance is very close to 13th gen and 7000 series for gaming.
Another use case for having a lot of threads is if you're a developer compiling software or if you use a source-based Linux distro. Compilation is very CPU intensive and can be faster by having more threads. For 12 cores, Firefox compiles in about 20 mins, but take 12 and increase it to 32/64, it will probably be around 5 minutes, which is fast.
Yep, the last system I built, 3DFx was a top of the line video card. Since then, I’ve mostly had laptops. That means I pretty much had to start from the ground up when I decided now was the time to build a new gaming rig. Intel 13600k ASUS Creator ProArt Z790 32 GB DDR5 RAM Corsair RX1000i Shift 500 GB system drive (NVMe 3) 2 TB data drive (NVMe 4) DeepCool LS720 AIO Montech Sky Two (black) Nvidia 4070Ti
Would LOVE to see those 3440x1440 tests. My current system is getting an upgrade to a 5950x and Zotac 3090 Trinity OC after spotting some reeeally good deals recently. As far as what it's used for, it's pretty split evenly between gaming and video editing.
After getting a whole new PC that is able to run all games, which I couldn’t do before. I would say one of the most pleasing upgrade was the m.2 storage. Being able to load games nearly 4x faster and restart the PC in seconds is one thing I didn’t realize I would need.
My first PC was a ryzen 1700x, MSI X370, 32gb RAM, and a 1080ti. I used these system till July this year. Now I upgraded to an I9 12900k, with DDR5 and a 3090ti. I am a gamer that plays on an ultrawide monitor so the performance bump in that and VR was great! Also, Jay I would love to see ultrawide benchmarks moving forward!
I'm 100% going AM5 as soon as possible. I'm running a 3080 FTW card and don't plan on upgrading that for at least a couple years, so I'm not sure what Ryzen processor to go with, but I'm leaning towards a 7700x as this will only be for gaming.
I have a 3060ti, and I am thinking of upgrading my cpu (3600x) which would be my system for at least 4-5yrs. I'm thinking of either a 5800x3d or 5900x, in which I can keep my mobo and 32gb ram. Any suggestions?
5800x3d seems to be the absolute top for gaming and realistically all you'd ever need if that's your main focus 🤝🏻 I'm rocking the 3600x too and might be for quite a while.
In all honesty you won't see much of a difference with that graphics card. But my choice would be the 5800X3D for gaming. So, when you change out the graphics card it will make a difference. Also, like Jay said if you are gaming at 1080P your system is fine like it is.
Excellent video, just a note for photographers that use Lightroom, some AMD GPU's do not support Export Acceleration, so when you export 500 images (event photographer, weddings, sweet 16's, etc.) on most AMD GPU's it will take far longer than with an Nvidia GPU that does support Export Acceleration on Lightroom's performance options. Not sure if Adobe fixed the issue on latest version as I have Nvidia card due to this issue and I am not aware if they fixed it, or if it is something in the architecture of the GPU itself that does not allow it. By the way I have a i7-4790 although I do have the OS and Software on 2 SSD SATA III 2.5 drives in Raid 0 for speed and the documents/images on 4 SSD SATA III 2.5 drives in Raid 10 for speed and a little redundancy. I purchased a ASUS Z790 with an 17-12700KF 64GB DDR4 RAM, a 500GB M.2 PCI Gen 4 for the OS and Software, a 2TB M.2 PCI Gen 4 for working images and 4 4 SSD SATA 6 2.5 drives in Raid 10 for storing images after processed in Lightroom and Photoshop, still using my RTX2060Super as a 30 series won't make much a a difference of Lightroom to justify the purchase but even so it should be a teeny bit faster 😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂 Even though the GPU processes edits, exporting and even saving, both Photoshop and Lightroom are RAM and CPU dependent to open files. In Lightroom when you export photos, it first tosses them to RAM or cache if RAM is insufficient and then the GPU converts them to jpg or whatever format you choose. The more RAM the less cache it needs which is far slower than RAM. Export 300 50MP wedding photos and 64GB makes sense 😀
@@nmelcam1 Thanks for the info! I'm going to upgrade my now 9 year old xeon system, and since I'm using Lightroom too, this is really good info for me.
I just finished building my newest computer, upgrading from one I started building in 2016. The NvME made a bigger difference than any other new component. I literally doubled my old computer in every single way, and that was the biggest change besides the graphics card.
really not that many choices. everything recently launched are too expensive for 99% of people. there are 7 mew cpus and 1 new graphics card and they can all be ignored until their prices go down and as the rest of the products for the end of the year are released
Another amazing video!!! Just finished building my new gaming pc (from scratch, since I had a mac before). Mostly gaming (4k and 1440p) and streaming too. Since i'm team AMD for CPU, i've decided to go AM5 and 7700x instead of AM4... to be more futureproof (It's more expensive for now, but better long-run). For the GPU, I was hoping for the 4080 to be cheaper... but decided to go with a cheaper 3080TI (it was between 3080TI or 3090, and picked the cheapest).
I'm building my first PC. I may have overspent on some components, but that's just to have better features that I will use, like my board supporting WiFi-6 or a 750 watt PSU, for example. I went with the R5 5600 for my CPU (on sale) and an RX 6600 for my GPU. I should be good for 5+ years.
I am a musician and hobbyist. I do a lot of music production, some 3D modeling and some gaming. If you are doing music production, max your RAM. Plugins are resident in RAM when you use them. NVMe is also a great idea for music production.
Yes Jay, definitely start doing Ultrawide testing as well! I usually assume the 1440p performance and take away 25-30% (given linear scaling, which I know is not exactly true/real).
An excellent idea. I do alot of gaming in oldschool 3840x1024.
Its hard as hell to make a decision when it comes to 1440p to see where the value is cpu wise, i complain on every video and people just reply with buy the fastest one listed on the 1080p. well the 5800x3d isnt the fastest at 1440p.
Got a 3840x1600 panel and seeing more UW would be really nice
Yeah, after seeing enough gaming benchmarks subtracting 20-30% of 1440p performance is actually pretty close to what you'll ultimately get in-game at those settings. When in doubt, you're going to get significantly more than 4K because that remaining 60% increase of resolution REALLY taxes GPUs.
@@revog7 i'm currently playing on a 5800x3D system with 3440x1440p monitor and i really can't complain. Paired that amazing CPU with a 3080ti and i can play nearly all titles 120hz upwards, no problems at all...
I'm one of these 7+ year old build (5930K/980Ti) users. Recently I've been bashing my head looking at numbers figuring out the right build, also fighting the idea of waiting. Having you reinforce the point that whatever I buy from the last couple generations will be magnitudes better than my own rig, means I can just buy any modern build now and be happy.
Me wondering how much difference it would be with my 5820k and 1080
@@llahneb6196 went from 1080ti to 6800xt it was HUGE
@@llahneb6196 oh and 1600x to 5800x
I went from 8700k and 980ti to a 12700k and an rtx 3070 last month and amazing at the price point. I have always bought used so it was a pleasure to go new parts finally and even though the new 13600k kinda matches the 12700k I've been rocking this for 2 weeks now and got everything on a good deal thansk to recent Amazon sales, so worth it and overkill for my 1080p 240hz e sports stuff and more casual CoD and AAA games like cyberpunk
@@MrInstinctGamer sounds like we had the same old pc. I'm looking for a new pc build. Can I see your new specs?
The timing of this video... Spent six hours today researching different parts for a new build. Thank you Jay for an updated version of one of these vids.
I currently have a 5800x with a 3080ti. I would probably go with the newer ryzen 7 6800x and a 3080ti. You'll be future proof on your CPU but you'll still have a solid gpu for long term.
sameeeeeee
@@dethtour - I'm still rocking my RTX 2060 Super (I only have a 1080p / 145hz panel) and the 'bang for buck' has been amazing! I'm guessing the RTX 3080ti absolutely sh*ts all over it, but until I upgrade my monitor, the 2060 works great :)
I have been running an i5 3450 for the last 10 years, now was too confused what to buy in order to build a new pc, your video helped me understand what my requirements are and what I need to build now. Thank Jayz
im in exact same position, Iv got 3570k, what a master class and now I dont know where to go
Been running an AMD FX8350 and 1060 card for a while now. Just built a PC with a 13600k and a 3080 so i should see a noticable difference
@@hossman8499 said humbly 🙂👍
@@quantin2500 Likewise, still rocking my OCéd 3570K till now till it's 3rd mobo died. Decided to upgrade platform and not replace the G41 mobo, coz the gaming fps have dropped into the unplayable region. Looking forward to the i5-13400F next year.
@@R6ex go for a K so you can OC. Integrated graphics is also nice to have.
I upgraded this month from a i5 4690k and a r9 290x. To a 5600x and a 3060ti. More than satisfied. It’s a huge jump to me.
I'm waiting for 3060/Ti to fall below 300 or 3070/Ti to fall below 400, then I'll do a similar thing.
Although I'll probably go 5700X because it's about 200 rn, same as 5600x D:
Is that your two cents Jay?
loool same I'm still ddr3 gaming on a i5 4570 + rx 480. Gonna be wild when I can actually use nvme lmao
Sorry to hear that you could not wait for the black friday + prices going down with the rx 7000 coming the 3rd movember.
My game system is running a fx8350/1080, work computer is running 2600/1080ti. It’s time to upgrade but I don’t want to spend 2k+ on next gen
This feels like one of those cycle’s people should skip. if you have the money then fine. It feels like these newer chips, gpu s, now power supplies need to catch up a bit with all these new power requirements and other features coming out like pci gen 5 etc. I’m waiting for all these new platforms to become the norm including ddr5
And to become more efficient. Buying in now at 4090, 13900k is going to be pricey to run for the next 2-4 years
The next gen parts are basically end game. What more is needed?
@@paullucci The 4090 aint that bad though as far as power consumption. I have the TUF OC model and even with a manual overclock to 2.98ghz it's most of the time below 400, sometimes it will hit 450 or 460W but that's not that much more than my Strix 3080Ti was pulling. The 13900K is power hungry but it's not going to pull peak power when gaming and you can always go with a 13700 or 13600K or wait for Zen 4 3D I guess.
@@Kizzster LOL
As an older original 486DX 66 owner...
It never ends.
@@Kizzster needs edge users to adopt en masse so prices come down. That's it, that's the only problem, economy of scale.
The M.2 NVME was a game changer for me. I bought the SSD just for Windows & programs and the boot-up speed is incredible.
Will upgrade my 1TB HDD to SATA SSD in the future as well.
HDDs are pretty much obsolete in my opinion.
My sister gave me her old, "slow" HP 17" 4th gen i5 laptop. I put a 240gb SSD in and doubled the ram (4gb->8gb) and its so much nicer to use.
@@MongooseTacticool HDDs for their price are incredible as secondary hard drives for storage of files and even installation of simpler games.
@@iPlayOnSpica Yep, I still run HDD mainly because I have a mirrorless camera and the photos are huge (~20MB each).
You don't need superfast storage for them. And price-to-space ratio for HDDs is great.
@@TheBobes I've also got 2 1tb hhd's that I run in a raid setup that I've had for years. It's a cheap option for secure storage.
@@iPlayOnSpica 1 2TB 7200RPM WD black HDD with 2 M.2 nvme pcie gen 4 1TB and 2TB SSDs.
Gaming highlights and replays as well as older games like D2 LoD in the 2TB HDD, OS and game clients on the C: 1TB SSD and games on the D: 2TB SSD.
My case also has 3 more Hotswap drive bays that I'd love to put to use.
I think everyone should do this for the best possible experience using a PC for gaming.
This video is amazing. I built my rig in 2014 and have been thinking about upgrading/replacing. The current computer parts landscape is an absolute mess with GPUs, but this is such a great starting point to relearn the state of pc tech. Thank you!
Really appreciate videos like this Jay. I built my computer in late 2018. Given that it's turning 4 this year, I'm looking at what it would cost for a new system and hand my primary system down to my daughter.
I love building computers, but I don't have time to keep up with all the changing tech. This video really helped me home in on what to look for. I tend to build at the high end every 4-5 years. Wonderfully overkill for what I need it for, but always something I've absolutely enjoyed.
Thanks for your time and expertise helping us hobbyists stay updated!!
After years of saving i finally have enough to make my first PC, and have been doing research for 4 weeks or so. Your videos have been a blessing.
I still need to make some adjustments cuz of budget but i know at the end, no matter what i build, it will be better that the 2010 hp notebook i have right now.
Thank you very much for all your work.
I don't know how okay this is, but if you haven't, also check out PC Builder. Between Jay and him I feel so much more informed about computers and ready to make decisions.
Depending on budget, go for 5600x, 5800x3D, or 12600k with 16-32GB ram and a 6600XT. 3060s are nice but still overpriced. That should give you a strong budget build that will still be good for gaming.
@@Kahrul_ Yeah, he is also another source of info i've been checking out, and always come back to both if i have any doubt.
@@darkstorminc I just need something to play on 1080p on medium-high, thats enough for me.
RX 6600 is my main target, just waiting for a little drop on prices, or a good second hand deal. Im sure something will appear with the end of the year movement on the market.
@@Xoul5200 not sure how much prices will drop. Might be waiting awhile for that. Worst case, just get a Ryzen 5600G and see how well that will work for you. What kind of games do you mostly play?
Really appreciate you mentioning us Ultrawide users! Benchmarks for 3440x1440 would definitely be pretty useful for me as that's the panel size I settled on.
I’m running 5120x1440 and that’s my excuse to get a 4090 hahaha
@@Ghostyyy9999 curious if the 4090 can be justified for VR
Yes yes and yes. I run a 3440x1440 panel as well - and I'm still on a 1080ti, in part due to the whole 30series/global pandemic mess.
I appreciated Jay mentioning it too! I just picked up an LG UltraGear 34GN850-B 34" running with an RTX 3070 at 3440x1440. I can already tell my GPU is pushing a bit more with a slight up ticket in core temp after migrating from a HP x27i.
@@localbraddah07 try 3440x1440 on a 1080ti. Only a few of the games I play get above 70fps and even then it’s only for moments
I am building a new system for my parents, who haven't upgraded their PC in like 15 years. I was just looking at some current stuff and your video just walk through it amazingly. You are saying all the exact right things of considerations that I was looking for, for my parents. Thanks!
wait you can bottleneck your gpu with a mid range cpu is that even possible? I thought Jays own videos proven this not possible
Went with a 5700X cpu, RTX 3070 gpu in July, definitely zero regrets right there.
I just replaced my 3700x with the 5700x on x470, that system also has a RTX 3070, CPU was $199 with Uncharted for free, I just used the 3700x factory cooler on it.
Did the same exact thing except I could only get my hands on a 3070 ti at the time. Zero regrets. For gaming I’ve never seen the cpu go above 40%
I'm still rocking my 3 years old 3700x on x570 a!elite 😁
@@Nomad454 if a 6 year old cpu works for you that’s great, no need to hate on other people because they chose to upgrade/buy something newer
Also got a 5700X. Insane efficiency on top of a decent price.
Actually happy to see an EVGA sponsor read. I hope they push hard in to their current production lines and show us what other cool things they can do when not being held back.
Evga fucked us by leaving us behind.
@@ohiost74 it was in their best interest, cant focus that hard on customers when they are getting fcked by nvidia behind the curtains
@@ohiost74 thank Nvidia for that with their corporate greed
@@ohiost74 no they didnt. evga was in a abusive relationship and decided they had enough cant blame them one bit.
@@shrekdaklown For real. EVGA has been the top dog in the GPU game for quite some time, it makes no sense why Nvidia wouldn't prioritize them. EVGA only made Nvidia look better!!
Ultrawide deserves a bigger spotlight in review discussions. Start the trend, Jay!
It's been great to see the industry adopt the format I wasn't sure it was going to be something that caught on when I bought my 34in 3440x1440 120hz around 5 years ago at the time I had just started hearing about them.
@@InMaTeofDeath Yeah, it's just been accepted as normal and included in support for pretty much every game past a certain budget level. Even certain indies just have it work without issue.
@@RicochetForce Yup and in my experience even the ones with zero native support often have user made work arounds to fix it. It's actually pretty rare for there to be no possible way to do it even if it's not true 21:9 and just a stretched image getting rid of the black bars is good enough for me.
@@InMaTeofDeath Exactly, very simple workarounds because at the end of the day it's just an arbitrary resolution. And it's a nice change from the 16:9 experience I can get elsewhere.
love my 2560x1080 UW
Jay is the go-to for understanding how to spec your build, he is the least controversial and the RUclipsr that gave the best advice and information for my mainstream consumer build.
I used to be a member of the group of people with a rig from a decade ago. It had an R7 270, i7 4700K, 4TB of 8Mb/s HDD, 64G of DDR3, and a single fan as exhaust with airflow only available with a lack of side panel. To put in perspective the excruciating pain experience I put up with for 6 years; it took 20-30 mins to boot from shutdown, another 10 mins to be able to INPUT numbers for the passcode, another 10-15 mins for the apps to show up and respond, and 5-15 mins of chrome or game loading. By the time all this was done; I had all my homework done, eaten lunch, grabbed some water, and used the bathroom.
I second the idea that most users won’t need much more than a 3070 Ti. I also second the idea that any entry level build, such as a Red Devil 6600 XT and Ryzen 5 5600, is just good enough. This entry level build, along with AMD’s SAM, would be able to handle; most games at 1080p and decent graphic settings, web browsing, and non-heavy work or normal school usage.
After upgrading to a 6600 XT and a Ryzen 5 5600, I’ve had no issues whatsoever. I do some recording of good memories with the homies and edit them, no issues. Playing new titles like MW2, mostly high settings w/o motion sickness, no issues. Minecraft with shaders, something I’ve longed for after realizing 10fps is unbearable on my old rig, again no issues. My boot time has decreased from 20-30mins down to 15-25 secs, that’s insane! I have tried my best adjusting to not being able to hear food up, grab water, and use the bathroom to my best of abilities. No longer shall I have stuttering frames.
My best bang for the buck build was all thanks to Jay’s advice and his guide videos! Thanks!
Brilliant video and you really know your audience as I'm doing EXACTLY what you outlined: limbering up to build something new to replace my 8 year old geriatric (i7-4790K, GTX 980) and I've been flip flopping between AMD and Intel. This video has helped me decide AMD is the way to go for me (will be my first!), as I'm looking to keep this new build for a long time and upgrade it as I need to. Thanks very much!
Can you share your specs?
@@tanthokg Sure, I went with:
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX (Sapphire Nitro OC)
Asus Tuf Gaming X-670E Plus
64Gb Corsair 6000hz DDR5 RAM
2 x Samsung SSD 980 Pro 2TB
Seasonic Prime PX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum PSU
NZXT Z73 AIO ands a bunch of Lian Li SL120 fans
Lian Li O11D EVO case
Quietly confident this rig should last me the next 8 years or so!
@@Robonord427 wow that's a beast for sure. Thank you!
@@Robonord427 bro you got a QUANTUM COMPUTER 💀 that’s POWERFUL enjoy! :)
@@tanthokg😢
hard to believe the first computer i put together myself is going to turn 6 soon. the latest upgrade to it was a 1080 to a 3080. hearing about evga leaving the gpu scene is what finally made me upgrade as i wanted to get a new card from them before they were all gone.
Nice and what cpu you're using with the 3080?
@@SGNedtiz it's an i7 5930k. it's older now but it still works well for what i need.
@@aarontrupiano9328 does it have any bottlenecks cuz I'm planning on buying a used 3080 and combo it with a 13400f when it comes out
@@SGNedtiz according to an online calculator it does but i havent noticed it yet. this cpu i have is 8 years old so it's not made anymore. i would get something newer with a newer socket that will be more futuer proofed. however if you're looking for an fps example i get 50-60 fps in superposition at 1440p with max settings
I really appreciate that you acknowledge not everyone needs the newest and most expensive thing for their use case; a lot of tech folks end up sounding more like salesmen and it creates a lot of confusion for people who don't know what all the acronyms and numbers mean. People who aren't computer-literate are being sold $3k machines that they only use to check their email and watch youtube videos, it's so overkill.
I'm putting a list together for a new machine right now and even though I'm not clueless, it's still tough not getting caught up in the hype, so stumbling upon this video was really refreshing. Cheers, mate.
This video exemplifies why you are such a good you tube channel, eloquently spoken with a good connection to people that are on older hardware.
OMG Jay you are the FIRST person I've heard mention yet the the feel and issues in Windows and I think that's a HUGE thing to know and consider. Thank you for all your work for us through this buy time!!!
I actually have a pretty unusual use case where I never play games, but I am a researcher and I run very CPU-intensive simulations (codes written by myself and others in my research group, not any commercially available software) that often take 2-3 days to complete. I have been thinking about getting a Threadripper build with the GTX 970 that I already have, but just watching these videos about new stuff is so satisfying
If it's highly parallel threadripper sounds like a good idea.
Not sure how expert you all are in software development (I'd guess you're more focused on the research side) but the way you do something in software can have a huge performance impact even if the functionality is exactly the same. It might pay of to have someone specialised in optimising have a look, if you're not doing that already.
@@nagranoth_ yes, we have CS students collaborating with us for code optimization.
I agree, a threadripper sounds like a good idea for your needs. However, I would upgrade your gpu to something a bit more powerful (not the most recent high end tho) like a 1080 or something similar. On Ebay or Craigslist or other used markets you can get a 1080 ti for like ~$200.
Threadripper is getting pretty long in the tooth. 5950x might be better. It REALLY depends on the compiler you are using. I would go look and see if Peugent Systems has any testing on what you do. Possibly even on Reddit to see what platforms your software prefers.
@@yurimodin7333 true true lol, a 5950x could work too
Hey, Jay, I'm here to thank you! In the moment I am rocking a 2015 pre-built by Lenovo. It has crazy specs like a GTX 1050, an Intel core-i5 6400, and a hard drive, it runs so well that it hitches when I produce my music in Reaper! well, all jokes aside, your videos and others alike help me a lot to clear the air and give tools to equip me when I finally have the money to pull the trigger! When it comes to music production having a higher clock speed is very beneficial to processing sound. So, when I look at these new clock speeds I salivate, can't wait to taste the performance.
A few years ago I went from FX-6300, R9 380, 8gb RAM and a Hard Drive to Ryzen 7 2700X, GTX 1660, 16gb RAM and an SSD ... Nothing special about this build but in comparison with what I had before it was a massive improvement
Think you'd get a faster storage before anything else?
@@tradingnichols2255 He has an SSD
@@apex9806 right, unless you're really pushing work loads, once at SSD the advantages are smaller to get a faster or better gen of SSD.
It certainly was man, it must be like a night and day difference
Thanks for the info Jay. My current build is around 5 years old and I do plan on doing another completely new build. I think I will be going with AMD as I like the idea that I can keep the new components while also being able to upgrade to newer components whenever they may come out after in the next few years and still have everything be supported in the build.
You will not be disappointed. I'm still on AM5 currently, waiting to build a whole new system with this new stuff, but even the 3900x I have currently is amazing. I can only imagine what 7xxx series is like.
It will be a night and day difference for you, you'll love it.
I feel a little burned by AMD AM4 compatibility. I got a B350 mobo to go with a Ryzen 1700 in 2017. Now, the motherboard doesn't support Ryzen 5000 series bc they don't have a compatible bios. Considering I never thought about upgrading in the intervening 5 years (and I only am thinking about it now for VR, I'm still happy with my system for flat games) leads me to not worry about upgrades in the future. In 2027 I will just be building a whole new system like I am now.
@@BobbyUnverzagt you should be able to upgrade the bios then switch out the CPUs
@@nyalan8385 in theory, yes, but MSI never released a zen 3 compatible bios for the b350m gaming pro 🫠
@@BobbyUnverzagt yes they did im using it on my second pc look for bios version 7A39v2NS
You are completely right about the workstation bit. I do quite a lot of 3D modeling and rendering on my machine and to be honest I only render single test frames, short animations or mograph on my own machine but for more demanding animation rendering and such I always outsource to a render farm because its just faster with less fuss and I could never afford that kind of computing power.
That comment you made about doing UW benchmarks would be highly appreciated! I have a 2080ti with a LG UW monitor and don’t really see a point of getting a 3080 or even 4080 unless I’m going to get a huge uplift. Would love to see UW comparisons going forward!
Out of all the video's I have watched in the last 2 weeks because I am building a new PC after 5 years. Jay, This video made the most sense to me. Thank you brother. 👍👍
Only thing I'd suggest differently is [especially for gaming], figure out which resolution/refresh rate you want to run at. It becomes a lot easier to spec the rest of the system accordingly. And if you go over budget, it's a bit easier to reel in your expectations.
Also, on UW 1440, look at 4k results. Sure there are a lot more pixels involved, but your expectations are much more realistic
4k has like 3x the pixels of UW1440. more accurate to take regular 1440 and reduce by half.
@@oldfrend of course. But like the old saying goes, "under-promise, over-deliver".
Take the new mw2 "ultra 4k" requirements for example. My system is essentially 1 tier down from that, so I'm confident I can play uw 1440 at a reasonable rate. The question is what do the reqs consider "high fps"
@@eric-. didn't say there was. But I bought the uncharted legacy on PC a few days ago. Haven't sunk my teeth in properly just yet, but with fsr2 quality and everything high/ultra, the frames are consistently above 100 (on an uw 1440 @ 144hz adaptive). Anything over 144 (which did happen during some quieter moments) introduces tearing.
All I'm saying is that hardware these days is much more capable of 100+ fps at higher resolutions
I just upgraded from an i5 4690k / 1060 3gb / ddr2 / Samsung 860 to - 13600k/3080/3600 ram/Samsung 980 Pro and the difference is massive. Will probably keep this system for 8 years!
Im also coming from an i5-4690k with a 1080, 8G DDR3 ram, Crucial MX100 512GB SSD. The new system is 13600k on z790 board, EDIT: Kingston KC3000 2TB boot drive, 64GB DDR5-6400, waiting on upcoming AMD cards to decide on GPU. But even with the same GPU, the difference like you said has been absolutely huge. I didn't realize how wide the gap was between my old system and modern hardware.
My guess 5 years tops.
@@SGTBizarro @gotland1998 me too! Going from i5-4460, 8GB, GTX 750 Ti, 120GB Samsung SSD, 1TB HDD to an ultra build. i7-13700K, 32GB DDR5 6400 CL32, Samsung 980 Pro 1TB and 2TB, RTX 4090, and some fancy case, AIO, and fans. Parts are still arriving, but I'm sure the difference will be massive. I didn't upgrade my old rig at all and not looking to upgrade in the near future.
Went from a 4690k/ rx 570 8gb / 16gb ddr3 to a 5700x / rx 6650 xt / 32gb ddr4. Big difference.
@@utahflying2478 if you mean ultra settings for all games in 8 years that will be impossible I think , but for normal I think it will be fine
The part where he talked about upgrading from using 10 year old hardware really spoke to me. Recently upgraded to AMD 5900x from 1st Gen Intel i7. World's of difference. Never heard of UEFI BIOS before....things have changed.
This is hands down the best channel on PC build. Thank you for all the informations you give. ❤
Oh yes please include ultra wide into your benchmarks in the future! It is sooo rare to find those for 5120x1440 so we're just estimating values between standard 1440p and 4k. Even our whole senior management uses this resolution and we could never go back to 16:9 again.
21:9 2160x1080 (aka 1080p Ultrawide) gets even less love, even in modern games I have to either glitch it or mess with ini files until it accepts the resolution. Love that your company switched to ultrawide though, I could never go back as far as productivity screen real-estate goes.
@@KiraSlith Probably because there are almost no 2560x1080 monitors anymore.
For 5120x1440 I just look at 4k benchmarks, cause it's going to be fairly close.
For 5120x1440 I just look at 4k benchmarks, cause it's going to be fairly close.
@@drunkhusband6257 close enough. 5120x1440=7,372,800 px and 3840x2160 = 8,294,400 px. Actually, 32:9 5K should be a little faster than 16:9 4K.
boy do i love your videos Jay! you were the one who inspired me to built my first PC at 27 years old as a Physician with PC interest! Thank you so much for that
That observation regarding Intel vs AMD in fluidity and reliability was very interesting and it would be great if you could do follow ups on that. Either get behind reasons or show in half a year if anything changed though that might be very hard to do objectively
Seems like a lot of good information but definitely not the right video for someone who's just starting out like me. He might as well have been speaking in Chinese or Spanish and just way too much info. Just not as beginner-friendly video I had hoped I'll definitely come back to this in the future though
Right?
Same I zoned out and realised it was like ten minutes in
Yeah its Not as much research as you might think
about a week or 2 of researching you should understand the stuff fitting your pricerange
tbh if youre trying to build a rig youself you need to understand a minimum what components are and do what compatibility is and what ports works with what of course sizes are also important
I forgot what video it was (still looking for it), but he explains what all the parts are and how to understand compatibility.
As an ultra wide owner I'd LOVE to see them make it into the benchmarks!
Same, I love my 3440x1440 Ultrawide! My only regret is it's old-school G-Sync, the kind that isn't compatible with the newer Radeons.
I’m still on a 1080p monitor, but I’m only on a i7-6800k & a GTX 980Ti, but I’m going to build my new rig very soon, just waiting on the Rex 4080 reviews to drop, but I agree completely as I’m trying to decide between a 1440p ultrawide and a 4K monitor.
@@johnpatz8395 ultrawide definitely the way to go imo the extra width is so nice
@@pdegan2814 Rough!
Yes. I bought one of the first gen curved, gsync, ultrawide panels and still have it. Cant go back to normal size.
Jay - this is the best video that you have ever done. Nobody has done a good video on what hardware to choose, except you. Of course, we need ultrawide and multi-monitor benchmarks - needed that for a while. Thank you so much. You have answered 99% of the questions I currently have, in one video! Thank you so much. THIS IS YOUR BEST VIDEO EVER!!!
Still running the same 3820 i7 system with 3 2TB harddrives I built back in 2013. I did recently upgrade my GPU from a 770 GTX to a RX 6700XT, which has made a huge difference in the games I can run. Other than that I am perfectly happy with what I have as I tend to stay with older games. Probably won't make a major upgrade until things break. Guess I am on the 15-20 year upgrade plan.
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I have a rig from 2010. Intei i5-750, ATI Radeon 5750HD GPU, 10GB of DDR3 RAM. It started with 4GB, I specced it up to 8 for a certain purpose, then later in life two of the DIMM slots on the motherboard failed so I can only use two of them.
This machine is sadly becoming an inconvenience and there's too much it just can't do. Even less demanding modern games either stutter like a machine gun or they look like ass once you've turned the graphics down, but 10GB of RAM and an SSD has taken some of the edge off.
It had a good run, but I'm upgrading very soon. Not going into the next gen but the very end of the current gen, e.g. 5800X CPU. At this stage anything is an upgrade even if not bleeding edge.
And some people are still trying to sell the i5-750 for nearly £200. A CPU that came out in late 2009.
Cool, my current rig has the exact same CPU, which I never upgraded because it did pretty much everything necessary. Latest upgrade was the GTX980ti, which does well with older games on ultra and high settings on newer games. Biggest bottleneck is the SATA SSD now. New, long awaited future proof build is finally in sight! Doing that in two stages two months apart to not hurt my bank account too greatly, starting with CPU (possibly Ryzen 7700), DDR5, Mobo and nVME SSD and hanging onto the GTX980ti a bit longer until more GPUs have been released, I'm really not sure what to go for yet. Just a little more patience and following Jayz' and GN's every new video on the latest stuff.
I know this comment is like 5 months late, but in about a week and a half ill be doing my first ever DIY build and i just want to thank you for your incredibly educative and informative videos. I have been binge watching for 2 days now and trying to learn as much theoretical stuff before getting into the practical stuff and actually putting stuff together. Thank you so much!
Good luck with your build! It's really fun to do this yourself.
Since this video isn't quite up to date I'd take a look at AMD's x3D CPUs (if you're gaming and aiming for a higher end rig) and also compare the power requirements of Intel 13th gen vs AMD 70xx. Intel needs a fuckload of power to match AMD at the moment. Since AMD pricing has gone down Ryzen might be the cheaper choice over time.
@@pheumann86 Hey thank you, i opted for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D now with a RTX 4070. I did go a bit overboard on the MB but it was totally worth it to me. Now i just need to wait for my parts to arrive. Super excited!!!
@@Zyantastic I'd have gone for the 7800X3D as well, but I'm not due for an update yet. I'm running the 5800X (mostly Intel before) with a 3080 TI and I'm loving it!
Enjoy your building process and the rig, hope everything arrives real soon! The wait is just the worst :D
@@pheumann86 hehe yep! Im upgrading from an i7 4790k and Rtx 2060 (upgraded from a gtx970).
Ill probably feel like my new system is a race car compared to what I have atm 🤣
@@Zyantastic Definitely :D I had upgrades from an i7 8700k with a 1080 TI and that already felt like a giant leap.
I have to be honest unless I had a professional reason to jump into AM5/Raptor Lake, latest gen GPU’s, and DDR5. For gaming would just maximize the deals on all the last gen equipment. You can build a monster now for under 1500 really for under 1000 with some deal searching.
100% 5600x, 6800xt and off you go
Don't buy brand new RTX 30 or 5000/12th gen brand new. Buy used and that $1,000 budget would be incredible.
I'm super excited. I've got $1600. Looking to finally retire 2500k. Sons into PC gaming now. 5600 near $100 maybe the 5600x for $150 near black Friday? If I can get 2 cpus, and motherboards for $450-500. I've got power supplies, a bit of ram, peripherals, cases. Really hoping to get 2 amazing PCs. I saw a 6950xt for $530 the other day. 6800xts are constantly 500ish. Hoping to get pretty high end after all this scalping mess. Horay for gamers. Finally.
This is exactly what I did. I pieced together a 6950xt, 13600k, b660, 32gb ram for just about 1800 bucks. This rig is more than enough for the next 5 years.
@@esniperwolfe Yeah go Ben, Gogo 🙏✊️
This was really solid info. Thanks for looking out for us and helping see a more clear overview. I personally run a Ryzen 3600x and a 2060 super and still get the gaming experience I want. No need to break the bank.
Yep I’m running a similar setup except with a 2070. I think I’m gonna skip this gen and possibly even the next
I'm running a 2070 super and a ryzen 2600.
Agree. I've still got my Rig from December 2017. i5 8600k @4.7GHz, 2070 super(upgraded that from a 980Ti) 16gb 2666mhz.
Thanks for talking about the "smoothness" you get with each CPU, this is one of those things I see almost no one talk about.
good points. one quibble - the point of the 30/4090 for content production is VRAM.
Yes, I am that guy that built a gaming PC almost 6 years ago and it still runs fine. Looking maybe to upgrade in the near future so this video was totally for me 😅
I mostly do casual gaming so I don’t really feel I need to upgrade like right this very second.
My good ol i5 and 1070 Gpu still put up a good fight.
Thanks for the video, very informative 🤘
For online gaming, 12600K 3060ti reaches a lot of the in-game maximums (on Low graphics settings as most esports titles do). 300 FPS+, the rest should be spent on peripherals like highest refresh rate monitors, lossless audio headphones and fast keyboards ala Wooting 60HE
All you really would need is a 3080ti, or to be crazy, a 4090! But then a new power supply will need to be done too for the 4090..
i have a pc that i keep in my office it has a 11th gen i5 and a gtx 1080 and it plays everything on ultra no problem .
i7 4790K and FTW2 1070 Ti for me, and it still does what I want to do with no issues. Likely I won't upgrade until a hardware failure or I finally run software that just doesn't run well enough for me.
Yeah, I went from i7 4790k, 16GB DDR3, 980ti, to i7 12700k, 32GB DDR5, 3090ti back in July, and wooooo-howdy is it amazing.
The only reason(s) I didn't upgrade sooner is the hardware was still going and still going strong, but I had the extra money and I decided to make a PC I could use for another 6-10yrs lol
Definitely need more graphic card reviews on ultrawides.
4090 is definitely a plus to have for vr flight sims and racing sims (but I agree, it's not needed, my 2070 worked decently for all these years, though I've since upgraded to 3080ti)
Was there a big difference between the 2070 and 3080ti ? I have a 2070 super and don’t know what to go to next
@curryreeves1369 the difference has been massive, I was able to get a reverb g2 headset afterward which had a lot higher resolution over my quest 1 and still could set graphics settings higher than what I had with the quest 1. If you play a lot of demanding titles in either 4k or vr it will definitely feel like a huge leap in what your pc can do
@@AndrewDaniele87 awesome thank you so much man even after a year !
My current system is a Pentium 4600 + a 1060 6GB and its running for 7 years now. When I bought it, I had upgrading in mind, but never did it. With that in mind, the build after the next built will be again on a new socket (wether it´s AMD or Intel), so a longtime compatibility in AMDs case will not weight as much as anticipated.
It's nice to hear a reviewer talk about how a platform 'feels' to use, alongside the actual numbers.
Wait til the x3d chips drop next year, amd has already talked about reducing production to prevent a surplus (and price drop presumably)
@@weswes10 theres no need to always wait. if the performance is needed you can go and buy stuff.
4770k gang! Im not sure what i want yet. Its so hard to choose. Im also running a gtx1080. 4770k is bottlenecking the 1080 aswell.
@@weswes10 I would like to be able to wait that long, but my system has really started to struggle over the last year or two, and has started showing signs of just dying completely over the last couple of months...so the amount of time I can actually wait may be quite limited. :s
@@foxxen7287 That's how it be sometimes...
Most all my systems since Win 95 have lasted 6 to 10 years, due to upgrades back when. But as time and tech moved forward, things were a little cheaper and longer lasting for me in the long run.
Great points all around, Jay! I have a 3440x1440p UW 165hz monitor and I love it. It really adds immersion to games. I'm not looking for 360fps, especially at that resolution. 120+ is good enough for me. I tend to use the 4k benchmarks as a comparison at that resolution cuz I believe 1440pUW is like 75% of the pixels of 4k. But yes, UW benchmarks would be helpful.
Thank you. I have a build running on 11 years old; chip does not support windows 10. It is nice to hear that an entry-level build is a massive increase to what I have.
I would be really interested in seeing that video on ultrawides. I just picked up a Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo in anticipation of doing a new build. It'd be great to see some benchmarks.
I still have a 10700K using it with my 4090, since I play in 4K I have not noticed any major bottleneck for not upgrading yet and the performance is enough for my needs
I dont think you will be bottlenecking at 4k
10700f/3060ti here. Big sad playing poorly optimized cpu-heavy games
I'm assuming you have a z490 mobo so you have an upgrade path to an 11th gen cpu which will unlock the pcie 4.0 lanes if the mobo was designed that way. I replaced the cheap $120 10600k on my msi z490 pro with a cheap $290 11900k and now my 3090 runs at full pcie 4.0 speed which gained me a dozen frames in total with the new cpu horsepower added in.
how in the earth u pair 10700k with 4090 and not being bottleneck by the cpu
@@dimasfazlur5926 Its maybe I am only playing in 4k which is more GPU heavy?
As mentioned I do not have the feel that I need a CPU upgrade right now.
I will upgrade in a year or two, keep the GPU and aim for a better CPU / RAM / MOBO combo.
I like the idea of an ebay PC vid.
Would be really fun if you and a few other guys like GN etc all had $1000 to build a complete pc using any combination of new and used parts and you all had a set of defined benchmarks to compare, you get one month to find the parts.
Jay, I’m watched this video about a month ago. July of 2023. Before I was gonna go crazy and build this super powerful rig and spend way more then I needed to. I purchased a 7800x and 64gig of ddr5. And spent the money there and took the 5700xt out of my old build and used that until I could afford a 7000 series card. Great advice
Just built my new PC with the 13600k. It was auto boosting to 5.5 - 6ghz with voltages being fully reasonable. I feel no need to manually overclock this time around and all I changed was XMP and AI Optimizations. Going from a 9900k to 13600K feels amazing especially with how good the AI is getting with Auto Overclocks.
Building my first PC around Christmas time and I've slowly been getting the parts together. Your channel has been super helpful, thank you for everything you do!
I haven't upgraded since 7-8 years and its nice seeing all this options...it's all overwhelming
Also YES I experienced a ssd and it was a game changer on switching it on my laptop
If you are thinking about upgrading, wait for Ryzen 7000 Series 3D Cache chips to drop in January. These are modified Ryzen chips that AMD started making with 3D Cache stacking for last gen Ryzen 5000. 3D Cache makes a HUGE difference in a fair number of games and AMD may take the gaming crown back yet again with the Ryzen 7-7800X3D chip, again due to drop at CES 2023 in January. Because AMD just lost to Intel in terms of gaming AND value, AMD will for sure be lowering their prices soon, and the 7800X3D may be a fantastic value shortly after it comes out (avoid the initial release price, wait into February or even March after the buzz dies down). However if you really don't wanna wait to see what happens, i5-13600K is the way to go for sure. Just be aware that its now nearly a 200 Watt chip, and you will need substantial cooling to get good performance out of it.
Yeah, I went from i7 4790k, 16GB DDR3, 980ti, to i7 12700k, 32GB DDR5, 3090ti back in July, and wooooo-howdy is it amazing
I also picked up an all AMD system - Ryzen 9 5900, RX 6800, and I gotta say, I am kind of torn. Granted Intel/Nvidia have more ease of use, as in plug-n-play, install drivers, and you're good to go. Whereas AMD is much more finicky, but after you spent some time dialing it in, its pretty powerful.
@@DayLateGamerWill That is the joy of AMD. Everything unlocked and made for tinkering, and their speed with fixing issues on driver updates has massively improved since Ryzen 1000 came out.
I’m 37. I started building computers in the early 2000s when amd was still releasing athlon processors. When the word ssd was just being throw around. Things weren’t really that fast. I just built my first computer for gaming in years. I went with introductory grade stuff. Msi b450 bazooka, 16GB of ram, my very first ssd drive, ryzen 5 2600 and a rtx 580 4gb. And let me tell ya. I feel like I have the fastest pc in the world lol I can play any game and I’m getting 100 fps plus at 1080. I’m very happy and I spent like $400. We’ve come so far.
nice video, my current setup is i7 4770k, 16gb ram and gtx 980, yea still going strong. what i have seen recently, i will be upgrading this upcoming newyear to 13600kf, ddr5 and 3080/3080ti or something around the performance depends what i find and what price. i bet it will feel insane compared to my current setup. also it will carry me through coming years very easy.
Crazy deal at amazon for i5 12 and a gigabyte ddr4 board for 200
Same setup and situation here, except 980 died and replaced with 1070. For some reason my 1070 collapsed in performance this year so it's getting painful.
@@nd15music73 Nice, i originally had 780 that died and replaced it with the 980 i currently have.
@@Latezen Oh yeah it was 780 too. Memory fart. It was a 780ti palit pos. It died after a year, RMA'd it and given a new one, and then that died and then warranty was up and replaced 1070. Never getting a palit product again.
I'm still rocking my 4770 non-k, 24gb and an upgraded GTX1660. Was originally a Dell prebuilt 8770.
Looking to do a similar upgrade myself in the next 4-6 months, after prices/stock stabilize (2020-2021 say lol, but I'm hopeful?)
Figured I've waited long enough to actually be impressed by the money spent on an upgrade.
11:08 I'm that guy. And the reason I'm watching this kind of videos, is that I'm upgrading my system right now. I want to get a Crucial P5 Plus M.2 1TB PCIe 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD, which has a 37x higher read speed, and a 28x higher write speed than my 1TB HDD. And I think that's a hella of upgrade...
Oh yea LOL!
I have an Ultrawide, and I 100% love it. Would love to see how the extra pixels impact performance on the various GPUs.
I feel like this video is speaking directly to me. I recently realized my8-10 year old cpu was outdated when I watched someone do a $300 budget build... and when I compared the components every single one of them out performed mine by over 300%
I got a sata ssd last year and it was revolutionary
Jay, I absolutely get that the majority of people arent going to see a difference between DDR4 and DDR5, but people are going to make buying decisions based on the benchmarks they are going to see from content creators and almost all of those are based on DDR5. My point is that 13th gen does have potential for better value, but the caveat should be that the benchmarks they may be looking at aren't what they might get when choosing the value option
check out OC3D TV they did a comprehensive benchmark for 13th gen with a DRR4 board vs a DDR5 board and SHOCKER there was no difference.
@Trap Unicorn Agreed, and I understand faster DDR5 RAM is coming soon.
@@getwrx-d2423 13th gen is DEFINETELY SLOWER in gaming with DDR4. Sorry, but you are spreading misinformation. DDR5 gives a strong performance difference, specially in the %1 lows which is more important than avg fps. I get that it is more expensive and it is popular to hate it, but it does perform better. Don't base your whole opinion on a single review.
@@horuherodorigesu241 Exactly. High end chips need DDR4 to be utilized to their full potential. It's going to go down and it's not really that expensive. Just the economy sucks.
The 5800x3d seems to be the best value for gaming still, that's why I bought it. I'm also going SFF so the lower temps are a big deal. I paired mine with a zotac 3090 that I got on sale before the 4090 launch.
Personal opinion comment
I've upgraded staying last gen (DDR4, R5 5800X3D, Asus STRIX X570, 3070)
It's viable
It's _powerful_
I personally don't see much reason to go latest gen... _yet_
Please don’t! I feel like 2 gens apart should be the minimum for most people.
I’m personally still on a GTX1080 and a 9900k, so this Gen is very attractive, but I’m still holding out for a little while.
I feel you on that. I have two systems. I have an i7 9700k with a 2070 pairing as a stream/recording/backup PC. 32GB of a ram thats still hella powerful and useful today.
I just finished upgrading my AMD 5950x platform pc that i use daily from a b550 board (that was actually failing on me due to my network port getting fried and it just wasnt stable anymore for windows so i full wiped it.) Picked up a X570S board and a new case for that PC. And got a 6950XT. Fresh installed windows and it feels like a brand spanking new machine again.
I have Ryzen 7 3700x and AMD RX 5700XT so I would love to upgrade. But need to save money first. Going to buy Intel processor and Nvidia graphics card next but not sure which yet
Yeah...I'm that guy. FX AMD cpu, old SSD with a raptor HDD spare and windows 7. 7 year old machine and never had a problem with it. Now after 3 months of watching your videos, finally building a liquid cool machine for kits with a Ryzen 7900, ASrock mobo and sabrent NVME and some Kingston Fury RAM. I only build when I need a computer and I have no need for a high-end gpu, so I put that money into the cpu. I normally try to find an open-box sale on ebay. You asked what are we looking for....for me it's "longevity". I do not need or want to upgrade every 3-4 years. You have brought me up to speed since my last build and your knowledge is appreciated...thanks Jay.
Thanks for spreading this important truth. I am using a phenom II 1055T 6 core CPU since 12 years or so. But the implementation of my SATA SSD was clearly the most massive boost on boot and loadtimes. Upgrading from that system to an up-to-date system might be as well (yep upgrading! upgrading what? From DDR3 to DDR5!) but that's beyond the point here 😄. I did put together some systems for others in the meantime and there was never any doubt at all whether to use an SSD drive or not. SSD is simply always set by default. NVMe or SATA doesn't even matter when compared to HDD. Keep the HDD for pure storage if you want but boot via SSD and install all programs that you often use, where you want a fast start, that are constantly having load times while using them to load in an instant. That will free you from the pain of loading times you didn't even know was there.
I'm personally not too concerned with re-using parts for future builds, as I'm in the "7-10 years since last upgrade" camp myself, and I want something that will last about that long going forward. I'm not going to be buying new parts every 6 months... unfortunately, AMD and Intel pretty much time their releases for every 6 months, so if I buy now, in a half year, I'll probably get buyers remorse because they came out with competitively priced mid-range options or a new high-performance shiny thing.
I'll probably just bite the bullet soon and then ignore tech news for like, 2 years.
this is exactly what I do. learn all I can about current Gen. build a system. then pretend no new tech is emerging for 3 or 4 years then start learning again to be prepared to build again at the 7 or so year mark.
@@jacobmiller6664 That's the best way to do it. Especially if this era of really incremental gains going for 2-4 generations at a time. Long at how long CPUs languished until Ryzen kicked Intel in the ass.
The CPU space isn't complete yet. AMD will still release its 3D V-cache tech sometime early next year.
I'm looking forward to the benchmarks on those and I'm biding my time for when it comes.
In future benchmarks, I also highly recommend looking at the 'promised' synergy benefits from tech like resizeable bar, DirectStorage, etc. between all the brands.
Aye, I'm doing the same thing. I could absolutely get myself a new computer going right now, but I know that there'll be better stuff coming very soon, so I'm willing to wait a bit.
There’s always new hardware coming out. I remember when my Pentium 100 was top of the line.
I mean look at how often intel releases new cpus. Intel will not be far behind the amd release. Thats why waiting doesnt make much sense.
@@LoremasterYnTaris And a few month after the 7800X3D there will be MeteorLake. And Zen 5. And if you waited for Zen 5 then the next GPUs will just be a few month away...
There is always something new just a few month in the future.
In the past you KNEW that in a few month there will be faster stuff for the same amount of money.
However, today there will be faster stuff - but for what price?
The new stuff increases the cost way more than it increases the performance.
You get 20% more performance for 40% higher price.
IMO there is absolutly no use in waiting for new products - if you have use for a new computer right now, just go for it.
Times were it is worth to wait because you will get more bang for your buck in the future are gone. Chances are high you will continue to get less bang for your buck with future products.
@@wedgeantilles8575 Definitely a good point, but my current machine is honestly fine, so I'm willing to wait just a handful of months for most of the bugs to be worked out and for 3D V-Cache to be released on the AM5 CPUs. At that point, I'll have access to what I really care about, so I'll buy.
i know this is an older video but thank you i needed this. I havent built a pc since fx8350 and ive been out of the game a while but ive been getting back into it and this helped way more than youll ever know!
This is a video that a lot of people need to watch because I am certain that there are loads of folks who have or want to have an over powered system just to be "future proof" or want the performance just in case they may need it and the most they do is 1080p gaming. Buy what you need today, who knows what tomorrow holds.
Right now I think imma just grab myself a 5800x3D ( will give my normal 5800x to my brother ). The new CPUs really are not worth it at all for the price it will cost.
5800x3d is perfection. Got it for $240
I'm so lost, this is not the video for me
Damn, that’s crazy.
Yeah I’m on the same page have you found anything that might be more “beginner” friendly?
You might have adhd
Just Finished Watching The First 5 Season's Of "Lost", Crazy!!! 🐻❄️
Exactly the video I needed to see. I’m still running a 4790k and need an upgrade! Appreciate the knowledge and time ol’ pal! Love your vids
I'm still using an i7 8700k and 1660ti. I deserve an upgrade but no idea what to spend it on lol .. 1080p gaming to the max!
im on a RX5600XT and i would love to get my hands on a 3070
I was on a 8700k as well, ended up getting a 13700k last week, along with a new mobo (obviously) and DDR5-6400 ram. I do have a 3080 from launch a couple of years ago, but I don't think that I'll get a 4090.. yet anyway. Playing on 3440x1440 (ultrawide).
Im gonna stick to 1080p but upgrade to a 3060 to get max frames and longer usability
I just upgraded from a 1660s to a 1080TI on ebay used, not mined with for under 200 bucks. now I'm running 1080p over 144fps but my monitor only sees 144. Max settings. I personally don't care to pay 200+ more for RT cores. The 1660 was also use from ebay and lasted forever.
@@MrLegendary0ne Im thinking about selling my 1660ti and buying a quick 3060
Hey Jay, what I’d like to see if you get chance is a best cooler round up for these new CPU’s (AM5 and 13th Gen.… esp as they run so hot. Maybe a bunch of coolers tested on a 7950x and 13900k worst case scenarios… It would be really helpful 👍
just use ECO mode
I have been watching so many videos on making a computer, getting ready to try to make my first. I last bought a computer about 10 years ago, and when it started struggling I just went to system gaming. I am excited to see what I can build, this video really gave me so many good tips
My last build (for myself, anyway...and the one I'm using right now) is rocking an Intel i5-6500. It's been going strong since I put this thing together back in 2016ish . . . but really starting to show it's age. Thanks for the video.
I like to go with a tick/tock approach to upgrades. One time I will do CPU/MB/RAM and then keep the existing graphics card and then the next time i'll upgrade the GPU. Every 2 cycles I get to build a free PC with left overs :)
Personally I built my computer as a gaming machine, had no use for upgrading but now I started getting into digital creation and 3D modeling so now I’m looking to upgrade within the year. This video was a great help.
what cpu did you go with
Four years ago I jumped from a 2600K on Win7 to 8086K on Win10. That was a huge leap for me. Now I'm looking at when I might upgrade from my current 9900KS, and thinking that's going to be a while from now. I could easily wait 2-4 years for practical gaming purposes.
Still running my 8086k, what an amazing CPU to do so well even today.
Thank you for making this type of video, I used the older one to outline my own build, and I recommend this video to any people who ask about first-time pc building!
If you are already on an am4 motherboard the 5800x3D is the best upgrade you can do for a CPU. It’s performance is very close to 13th gen and 7000 series for gaming.
@@sierraecho884 most people hardly fully utilize their CPU.
@@sierraecho884 *most people.
5600 is more than enough for gaming on am4.
@@triparadox.c Thank you.
@@sierraecho884 There you go. So your follow up statement was invalid. It doesn't come to "it depends" for most people.
Another use case for having a lot of threads is if you're a developer compiling software or if you use a source-based Linux distro. Compilation is very CPU intensive and can be faster by having more threads. For 12 cores, Firefox compiles in about 20 mins, but take 12 and increase it to 32/64, it will probably be around 5 minutes, which is fast.
Will be really great to see those benchmarks for Ultrawide users. Been referring to the 4K scores since I have a 1440p UW.
Yep, the last system I built, 3DFx was a top of the line video card. Since then, I’ve mostly had laptops. That means I pretty much had to start from the ground up when I decided now was the time to build a new gaming rig.
Intel 13600k
ASUS Creator ProArt Z790
32 GB DDR5 RAM
Corsair RX1000i Shift
500 GB system drive (NVMe 3)
2 TB data drive (NVMe 4)
DeepCool LS720 AIO
Montech Sky Two (black)
Nvidia 4070Ti
Would LOVE to see those 3440x1440 tests. My current system is getting an upgrade to a 5950x and Zotac 3090 Trinity OC after spotting some reeeally good deals recently.
As far as what it's used for, it's pretty split evenly between gaming and video editing.
After getting a whole new PC that is able to run all games, which I couldn’t do before. I would say one of the most pleasing upgrade was the m.2 storage. Being able to load games nearly 4x faster and restart the PC in seconds is one thing I didn’t realize I would need.
My first PC was a ryzen 1700x, MSI X370, 32gb RAM, and a 1080ti. I used these system till July this year. Now I upgraded to an I9 12900k, with DDR5 and a 3090ti. I am a gamer that plays on an ultrawide monitor so the performance bump in that and VR was great! Also, Jay I would love to see ultrawide benchmarks moving forward!
why you didnt get for example a 7900x ? just curious
One of the best video for new pc builder guide.
I'm 100% going AM5 as soon as possible. I'm running a 3080 FTW card and don't plan on upgrading that for at least a couple years, so I'm not sure what Ryzen processor to go with, but I'm leaning towards a 7700x as this will only be for gaming.
if you can hold of on that wait till the x3d AMD models are benched and buy then just my 2cents
I have a 3060ti, and I am thinking of upgrading my cpu (3600x) which would be my system for at least 4-5yrs. I'm thinking of either a 5800x3d or 5900x, in which I can keep my mobo and 32gb ram. Any suggestions?
Definitely 5800x3d! Or you can wait for their 7 series x3d stuff
5800x3d seems to be the absolute top for gaming and realistically all you'd ever need if that's your main focus 🤝🏻 I'm rocking the 3600x too and might be for quite a while.
u would be Set for gaming or even streaming with ur Rig for sure.
In all honesty you won't see much of a difference with that graphics card. But my choice would be the 5800X3D for gaming. So, when you change out the graphics card it will make a difference. Also, like Jay said if you are gaming at 1080P your system is fine like it is.
@@kevinveon9891 Mine is 1440p currently.
Excellent video, just a note for photographers that use Lightroom, some AMD GPU's do not support Export Acceleration, so when you export 500 images (event photographer, weddings, sweet 16's, etc.) on most AMD GPU's it will take far longer than with an Nvidia GPU that does support Export Acceleration on Lightroom's performance options. Not sure if Adobe fixed the issue on latest version as I have Nvidia card due to this issue and I am not aware if they fixed it, or if it is something in the architecture of the GPU itself that does not allow it. By the way I have a i7-4790 although I do have the OS and Software on 2 SSD SATA III 2.5 drives in Raid 0 for speed and the documents/images on 4 SSD SATA III 2.5 drives in Raid 10 for speed and a little redundancy. I purchased a ASUS Z790 with an 17-12700KF 64GB DDR4 RAM, a 500GB M.2 PCI Gen 4 for the OS and Software, a 2TB M.2 PCI Gen 4 for working images and 4 4 SSD SATA 6 2.5 drives in Raid 10 for storing images after processed in Lightroom and Photoshop, still using my RTX2060Super as a 30 series won't make much a a difference of Lightroom to justify the purchase but even so it should be a teeny bit faster 😂😂😂😂😂😂
64gb ram .damn 🤣
😂 Even though the GPU processes edits, exporting and even saving, both Photoshop and Lightroom are RAM and CPU dependent to open files. In Lightroom when you export photos, it first tosses them to RAM or cache if RAM is insufficient and then the GPU converts them to jpg or whatever format you choose. The more RAM the less cache it needs which is far slower than RAM. Export 300 50MP wedding photos and 64GB makes sense 😀
@@nmelcam1 Thanks for the info! I'm going to upgrade my now 9 year old xeon system, and since I'm using Lightroom too, this is really good info for me.
I just finished building my newest computer, upgrading from one I started building in 2016. The NvME made a bigger difference than any other new component. I literally doubled my old computer in every single way, and that was the biggest change besides the graphics card.
really not that many choices. everything recently launched are too expensive for 99% of people. there are 7 mew cpus and 1 new graphics card and they can all be ignored until their prices go down and as the rest of the products for the end of the year are released
Another amazing video!!!
Just finished building my new gaming pc (from scratch, since I had a mac before). Mostly gaming (4k and 1440p) and streaming too.
Since i'm team AMD for CPU, i've decided to go AM5 and 7700x instead of AM4... to be more futureproof (It's more expensive for now, but better long-run).
For the GPU, I was hoping for the 4080 to be cheaper... but decided to go with a cheaper 3080TI (it was between 3080TI or 3090, and picked the cheapest).
I'm building my first PC.
I may have overspent on some components, but that's just to have better features that I will use, like my board supporting WiFi-6 or a 750 watt PSU, for example. I went with the R5 5600 for my CPU (on sale) and an RX 6600 for my GPU.
I should be good for 5+ years.
Grats dude! Have fun and good luck with the build!
Depends on your resolution, pairing 5600 with 6600 only makes sense on 1080p
I am a musician and hobbyist. I do a lot of music production, some 3D modeling and some gaming. If you are doing music production, max your RAM. Plugins are resident in RAM when you use them. NVMe is also a great idea for music production.