I laughed so hard that I almost fell down and hit my head when he said "heck, if you think you can get any valve spring that's actually any good for $35, you have fell down and hit your head". No truer words have ever been spoken! I like these videos very much!
@@DanielJohnson-ec8rk Not at all. I like the flow of the way he talks and accentuates instead of making an entire sentence sound like one long word. I don't want to distract from the true value in this video, but I just felt the need to clarify that point.
I've been working on engines since I started as a kid in the back yard with my Grandpa and my Uncles. Your channel popped up in my feed about a week ago and it's quickly become one of my favorites - I've found a lot of solid information here from a knowledgeable industry guy who's also got a good sense of humor. Keep the great content coming sir! New subscriber from Augusta, Georgia.
I'm more cautious than ever. It's scary. Daniel, thanks for educating us. Here in South Africa we pay 20 times the USD value plus shipping and we still get ripped off. You tell it like it is and that's why we all respect you and your opinions.
Back in the year 2002, i remember when the Compcams 918 springs were supposedly breaking. There were a few complaints on the LS forums. I have used Comps lower tension 915 beehive spring with good success on a 224/226 570 lift cam.
If a person had to develop for themselves the information you give away it would take years and cost a canoe fulla money. A person only needs to be smart enough to look, listen, and think. I enjoy your videos and always learn something, many thanks. If you were local I'd swing by and sweep your shop.
$35 . . . . $20 of it is for shipping , $10 of it is for packaging , $4 is profit , and $1 is what it actually cost to make those horrible valve springs. Would you mind it if I shared this video on my Gab-Gearheads channel? I'll be sure to leave proper credits and links.
ght a set of BBC aluminum winters casting heads used straight from the machine shop. Seller said they have Ferrea valves and PAC springs. Those springs look just like the chinese ones you showed in the video. I wondered how to tell for sure, good thing I never bolted the heads on. THANKS!!!!
One thing people need to realize about racing, the reason so many hi rpm racing engines DO NOT BLOW UP in high level racing is because the care taken in the valve train. When they started Xraying the valve springs to check for tiny defects the number of broken valve springs fell drastically. Valve Springs were the least expensive part in an engine, for many years costing less than $100. I think a high end set of xrayed springs runs maybe $500. IT IS $500 WELL SPENT!
I actually very recently saw a broken Pac spring,, same as you it had been coil bound. Wrong spring for the application. Worse it was a name engine builder. The other 15 still measured ok but showed where the coils had been binding. I also saw some retainers that came with a set of springs and some where machined to big to nestle in the springs. Amatuer though at least he picked it after a valve train check before it was driven
Great information to add to the cam and lifter problem. I only solved the cam and lifter problem with using DLC coated lifters. And it took 4 cams to get that far. I pulled a lot of metal out of the pan many times. I then had a head gasket go so I got a look at the lifters and cam after use. Each lifter on the cam face with the DLC looked like they came just out of the box new. The cam looked like someone had polished it. Steel does not touch the hardness of a diamond and since DLC is carbon based it is also slippery. When used in piston pins the coating never wears it is the underlying material which breaks. Use a DLC lifter with a new cam and forget having to go roller for your street motor. Obviously, materials and quality control went to hell concerning cams and lifters. Why should they care when they make so much more on every set when roller. Look at the difference in price along with needing new pushrods so they are the proper length.
Every engine I've rebuilt, over 500 of them, every single one of them I've placed magnets in them. I also place them in the transmission. They catch any and all metal debris.
You really don't know what you are buying these days. When Crane Cams were still in business I ran the same spring on my BBC solid lifter cam. I ran that spring which was a dual spring which was the spring that ran on all BBC cams up to 580 lift or so. I forgot the part number but still have a brand new set in a there crane box. Part number on the box of new springs are 99893-16. I still have 3 BBC engines with these on them. Ran them springs for over 30 to 40 years ago years and never had a problem. They seem to last forever. I bought there cam kits which were great kits. I still have the springs on my street BBC which has been on there for close to 40 years and it still goes to 7,000 rpm on the factory valves which are heavy. Made in the USA doesn't mean much if they buy the steel from some were else. What a mess we have today. Comp Cams bought out by Edelbrock. Wonder what will happen there? You really need to buy from a good machine shop that is in the know now days like Powell.
Brand new Canuck sub Love your honesty and ability to explain what I have always considered extremely complicated mechanical systems in a way that I can understand Shalom
Few years ago I bought Pac 1218s off ebay. Came in the correct box, but came with used ls6 springs. So I ordered a second set off amazon and those were good but double the price
We have changed from NexTek we used for years never had an issue now they break like crazy we call them post covid springs giving PSI a try to see how they hold up lot better visually than the New Nextek took 3 boxes just to find 18 and they where junk.
I’m not sure about NexTek, but PAC supposedly got bought out in 2022… I don’t know anything about the buyer, but what happens alot of the time in just about every manufacturing industry is that when a company is sold, they start cutting costs in one way or another. After seeing all these obviously fake PAC springs all over the internet, I recently got a set of PSI springs. Open the box and Fake garbage! I’m afraid there is more foreign LS parts that have flooded the market nowadays and some of the fake stuff is looking more and more real. But At the end of the day, I see more and more engines seemingly failing from parts failures than ever before.
This is why I buy bare heads and put quality hardware on them. See so much stuff broke due to cheap stuff that some of the head manufacturers not all put on them. I was told by a guy that I spend to much money buying bare heads but like you said pay now or pay later either way you are going to pay.
Basically the Valve spring in my opinion is one of if not the hardest working part in the motor...$35 for valve springs what the 😂? If you know anything about engines wouldn't you honestly think to stay away from that junk..Sorry mate I'm a fan of and use PSI springs, I'm watching from Australia and love your channel and videos keep up the great work 👍
no idea why i got here but thats a damn good video man. i do have a four stroke dirt bike i might try to diy rebuilt, doesn't seem too hard. i like your shop and like your video. if i ever get to learn to rebuild an engine and i hope i do, this is good shit to know
Thanks for posting video's i have a 347 stroker with dss pistons for boost im $14000 into machine shop cost first shop charged me $7,632 to build a 347 when i got the motor from them i had a typewriter for a valve tran and glitter in the oil with smoke coming out of the oil catch can filters. Had to take it to a different shop they looked it over and said it needed to be line honed and better lifters installed so they charged me $3,800. Got the motor back from them and i had to take it back to them do too noise in the valve tran and still getting glitter in the oil and smoke at the filters.i my need to send my motor to you if your willing to do the job
Unfortunately many DIY keyboard warriors tend to badmouth products or manufacturers for some failures they themselves created mainly because they think they know more than they do and won't admit it. I have seen this with all sorts of things from engines and engine parts, computer parts, boat parts, and on and on. I don't put a lot of stock in those customer reviews with stars or thumbs or any of the chat room talk. I actually have products that the reviews overwhelmingly denounce but I have personally been using nearly daily for many years with good results.
A guy Ben, He said a very funny phase, the other day. Regarding exhaust lobe design and the valve not deaccelerating to the seat it time. he said," I hope they don't go to the moon because they are not coming back !". Very funny just slipped into a half hour chat.
The Chinese springs do not appeared to be shot peened. PAC springs are shot peened aren't they? I remember I broke a Manley spring in my LS1,luckily valve did not drop, but engine ran like crap. I now know what a broken valve spring sounds like, before it finally drops.
Well, I'll have to look out for this. I wanna build a 1.8L Mazda BP next year. Not sure what valve springs I'll need but I sure will watch out for the signs
Same problem with roller lifters on Ebay they are advertising BTR and Delphi roller lifters for 1/3 the price of the real thing and people buy them. It's alot of $$$ to R&R an engine to save a few $$$ in parts.
Me again, i'm a sub'r to Weingartner Racing, he' s a cyl head dude, if u dont already know...PAC springs are supossed to be the bad ass mf rite now, he tests alot of stuff, he likes PAC ... he's Seen issues, but dont make a concise vid like you.. ... .you put it to rest...TY SIR!!😊
Dang i have a pair of speedmaster heads that came with spings that have been said to fail on reviews. Now im thinking maybe i should have taken the advice of changing them but was just content with the 202 values.
The best thing the machine shops can do is just send away any customer who brings in this product. The only result is going to be the shop name being slung through the mud.
I'm checking out your video from down the road in Spartanburg. I'm trying to figure out what valve springs to get for my 6.0 ls engine. Bought a cam that came with springs. Fb groups have been telling me not to use the springs. Some say to get springs with a .600 lift. What's the difference?
When you open a box of Chinese valve springs it looks like a salvage yard reincarnate , 16 cars recycled , honda buick dodge etc etc , if your lucky you might springs made from old Honda crank
guys buy the PAC springs, save the box, buy some cheap springs and put them in the box and sell them as new PAC springs. I have seen everybodys springs break but Isky and PAC
@@powellmachineinc I didn't buy a dirt cheap set, I paid 200.00 for the set but I'm checking them before I run it any more. I'll get ahold of you in the future, I trust you.
I bet the dark ones are super soft man in comparison purple black usually means soft the harder the heat treat usually the lighter the color will be so they went super deep into the temper to try and make them last a min lmao just a theory about the ramen noodles
Called summit ordered Edelbrock cam kit.... Wat came n the Edelbrock box ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️ A comp cam n Edelbrock springs....😶🤷 Through w m.... N they rite up da road🤦
Lmao he said “ this is your wong fu puu” 1218 lmao 🤣 ohh shit i died lol and then he said “you have fell down and hit Your head” if you think You can get American made pac springs for 35$ oohhh man after this video and your valve seat video and another I forget oh the ebay crooks video im subbing outta you being real knowing your shit and dudes funny as hell lol
People read a comment online, take it’s as fact then Everytime they hear someone ask for help with a problem they are having they use that information from the comment they read to diagnose the issue. Never even knowing anything about the topic at hand. Then you have the others that read the comments and see most of the comments are making a specific diagnosis then he will comment that same diagnosis to make people think he knows something. I see some of the absolute worst diagnosis in reading comments every single day. And these people asking for help don’t even realize they are getting terrible information. It blows my mind.
So basically just have a little bit of common sense and if its too good to be true its not lol. I always order directly from the manufacturer or authorized dealer no matter what I am buying. People spend tons of money building an engine then what to buy $35 valve springs to save a few dollars, it completely blows my mind. 🇺🇸
OLÁ. É provável que exista mais de uma especificação para pressão de molas. Examinando as tolerâncias de fabricação do ângulo de assentamento de válvulas e sédes nota-se a possibilidade de "inversão de ângulo". Esta inversão pode ser corrigida com leve retífica de pedra na séde de válvula. Caso não for feita a correção haverá a possibilidade de "flutuar" a válvula na séde não corrigida. Alguns fabricantes de motores optaram não corrigir a séde e adotaram molas bem mais fortes para que com o aumento de pressão evitar a flutuação, mesmo sabendo que diminuiria a durabilidade da correia dentada, dos alojamentos dos comandos de válvula em cabeçotes de alumínio, de aumento de consumo de combustível e de perda de potência. ABRAÇOS... Roberto Udo Krapf
I don't want to sound old and cranky (I am) but who would think they can get the same quality for a fraction of the price? It CAN NOT be done. Who would be foolish enough to roll those dice? I hate learning the "hard" way. Also, the people working at Pac Racing Springs will keep their jobs if you buy their products. That in itself is why you should buy from them. They might return the favor some day.
Its worth noting the pink elephant in the room: giant, no limits, online resellers. They handle the listing, they handle the money, and sometimes a truck to truck transfer of goods. What they don't do generally speaking, is handle the merchandise: they've never seen it/don't want to - physical inventory takes up space, which induces bigger leases & insurance costs.
Can't you just stretch that short one out a little bit? 😮 They probably dip them in used oil after heating them, that's where the nice dark patina comes from. Joe
In China their MFG laws are different and they don't care if they make sub standard parts. We here in the USA need to understand that our laws about products don't apply in China. Some US branded parts like lifters are made in China because the brand wants to save money by getting them made in China. I wish US companies still made their own parts.
I sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of paper into china for many years, we were looking to have a large paper rewinder manufactured over there, our contact owned 30 companies in China, she FLAT OUT STATED that we would spec the machine they would manufacture the ones coming directly to my plant in the US to spec and they would be correct, but the first chance the chinese company had the opportunity they would cheapen the input materials and be out of spec. I would be lucky if the drop shipped goods were operable at all. She said when I go into a store I pick up a product, it says Made in China -I throw it down, TRASH,
Finally got hit recently with fake MOSFETs (comp audio amplifier) myself after years of making sure I don’t, last time I use a “distributor” vs going factory direct which I usually do, can’t trust shit lately …
Mmmmmmm,interesting,, put the Chinese Springs in the spring tester,set a pressure,,eg;130 at 1.800"...then go up and down 20 times.. check first pressure again.. they will probably be down..
Steve Morris has had a few springs break in his SMX engines....and these are premium good stuff...but they've found that the methanol fuel puts a lot of moisture in the motors and if you don't run them up to temperature with gasoline to drive out this moisture they springs will rust. Every one that broke did so at a rust spot that had penetrated enough to weaken them. I agree that the Chinese CAN make good stuff and have had a few positive dealings with them, but always remember that there are deceitful businessmen over there that will change materials to make more profit especially if they don't think you'll notice. They have lots of buildings falling down because they were built with substandard materials so the owner could make more money and I think this trend is going in the wrong direction rather than getting better as their economy is failing badly.
Springs from oteva70sc in Germany if you order few hundred is 1epiece you knew difference is profit on sales firm 1000%min I have and isky what broke after two h work on 6-9000revs
I laughed so hard that I almost fell down and hit my head when he said "heck, if you think you can get any valve spring that's actually any good for $35, you have fell down and hit your head". No truer words have ever been spoken! I like these videos very much!
Glad you enjoyed!
@powellmachineinc3179 happy Thanksgiving to you and your family
ROFL!!! My wife and I too!! ha ha ha!!
Did you laugh for same reason I did? Because of the unbelievable southern draw?
@@DanielJohnson-ec8rk
Not at all. I like the flow of the way he talks and accentuates instead of making an entire sentence sound like one long word.
I don't want to distract from the true value in this video, but I just felt the need to clarify that point.
"They don't have a dog in the hunt"! Utter gold. Never a truer world spoken. Love it.
Sir, I'm Australian, I can listen to you talk for ages. Thank you for the breakdown comparison.
Awesome, glad to have you
I've been working on engines since I started as a kid in the back yard with my Grandpa and my Uncles. Your channel popped up in my feed about a week ago and it's quickly become one of my favorites - I've found a lot of solid information here from a knowledgeable industry guy who's also got a good sense of humor.
Keep the great content coming sir!
New subscriber from Augusta, Georgia.
Thank, we really appreciate you!
This, sir, is common sense. To bad it is uncommon.
I am a diesel mechanic, however, I enjoy this channel.
If the springs are black...send 'em back !
Informative as always.
Kudos to Andrew for the steady video work !👍👍
Ty! I will tell him
I'm more cautious than ever. It's scary. Daniel, thanks for educating us. Here in South Africa we pay 20 times the USD value plus shipping and we still get ripped off. You tell it like it is and that's why we all respect you and your opinions.
Thank you!! We really appreciate that 🙏, we ship to south Africa fyi
@@powellmachineinc I sent you email but I know you're busy and I'm not in a rush. God Bless you Daniel.
So, your genuine personality and your purposeful love for machining has won me over. Where do I send my parts for for machining?
Upstate SC
Dude been loving your videos.... I been out of the engine world for a spell. It feels good to be back...
Back in the year 2002, i remember when the Compcams 918 springs were supposedly breaking. There were a few complaints on the LS forums. I have used Comps lower tension 915 beehive spring with good success on a 224/226 570 lift cam.
Hey Daniel,
Tim here, THIS is why i'm a proud sub'r, THIS is why MORE folks need to sub, GREAT content!!!.....yep....HAPPY THANKGIVING sir!!!.....
Thanks, you too!
If a person had to develop for themselves the information you give away it would take years and cost a canoe fulla money. A person only needs to be smart enough to look, listen, and think. I enjoy your videos and always learn something, many thanks. If you were local I'd swing by and sweep your shop.
@@roberthumphreys1316 lol, we really appreciate that 🙏
I had a friend that raced in a class. They changed the PAC springs ever 3 races so i would buy all the pulls. 99% were still like new.
$35 . . . . $20 of it is for shipping , $10 of it is for packaging , $4 is profit , and $1 is what it actually cost to make those horrible valve springs.
Would you mind it if I shared this video on my Gab-Gearheads channel? I'll be sure to leave proper credits and links.
Absolutely, share away!
Are we talking 35$ per spring or for all of them?
@@Birb_of_Judge a set
@@powellmachineinc holy crap. That's absolutely nothing
ght a set of BBC aluminum winters casting heads used straight from the machine shop. Seller said they have Ferrea valves and PAC springs. Those springs look just like the chinese ones you showed in the video. I wondered how to tell for sure, good thing I never bolted the heads on. THANKS!!!!
No problem
He's knowledge is priceless!! Save a head ache
Ty!
One thing people need to realize about racing, the reason so many hi rpm racing engines DO NOT BLOW UP in high level racing is because the care taken in the valve train. When they started Xraying the valve springs to check for tiny defects the number of broken valve springs fell drastically. Valve Springs were the least expensive part in an engine, for many years costing less than $100.
I think a high end set of xrayed springs runs maybe $500. IT IS $500 WELL SPENT!
I actually very recently saw a broken Pac spring,, same as you it had been coil bound. Wrong spring for the application. Worse it was a name engine builder. The other 15 still measured ok but showed where the coils had been binding.
I also saw some retainers that came with a set of springs and some where machined to big to nestle in the springs. Amatuer though at least he picked it after a valve train check before it was driven
Good that it was caught before a disaster
I remember the last video you posted about those delicately made China springs. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 Everyone 😊
Absolutely
Great information to add to the cam and lifter problem. I only solved the cam and lifter problem with using DLC coated lifters. And it took 4 cams to get that far. I pulled a lot of metal out of the pan many times. I then had a head gasket go so I got a look at the lifters and cam after use. Each lifter on the cam face with the DLC looked like they came just out of the box new. The cam looked like someone had polished it. Steel does not touch the hardness of a diamond and since DLC is carbon based it is also slippery. When used in piston pins the coating never wears it is the underlying material which breaks. Use a DLC lifter with a new cam and forget having to go roller for your street motor. Obviously, materials and quality control went to hell concerning cams and lifters. Why should they care when they make so much more on every set when roller. Look at the difference in price along with needing new pushrods so they are the proper length.
Yup
Definitely
Looking into dlc myself for next build. What ra did they use/recommend for cam & lifters before coating?
Every engine I've rebuilt, over 500 of them, every single one of them I've placed magnets in them.
I also place them in the transmission.
They catch any and all metal debris.
That is pretty fascinating stuff mate, thank you for the insight and also to this channel 😊
They package them loose because the box peening is part of the finish process.
Lol, good one
Needs to go around the world a few times
"heck, if you think you can get any valve spring that's actually any good for $35, you have fell down and hit your head"
i fucking love this guy lol
Lol, ty
Love that comment 😂😂
Happy Thanksgiving Daniel to you and your family!
Same to you!
You really don't know what you are buying these days. When Crane Cams were still in business I ran the same spring on my BBC solid lifter cam. I ran that spring which was a dual spring which was the spring that ran on all BBC cams up to 580 lift or so. I forgot the part number but still have a brand new set in a there crane box. Part number on the box of new springs are 99893-16. I still have 3 BBC engines with these on them. Ran them springs for over 30 to 40 years ago years and never had a problem. They seem to last forever. I bought there cam kits which were great kits. I still have the springs on my street BBC which has been on there for close to 40 years and it still goes to 7,000 rpm on the factory valves which are heavy. Made in the USA doesn't mean much if they buy the steel from some were else. What a mess we have today. Comp Cams bought out by Edelbrock. Wonder what will happen there? You really need to buy from a good machine shop that is in the know now days like Powell.
Thank you!!
Best lifter to run is the ctsv 88958689 with the ceramic check. I’ve ran them to 8200 with .015 preload and 525 pounds over the nose.
Years ago there were many pac springs breaking they had a run of issues for a while but its seemed to have been fixed
I have been a Pac distributor for 10 years, never seen any issues, 1 broke spring in to years and it wasn't a pac issue.
Good morning from Spartanburg South Carolina!
!! #locals, welcome
Just found your channel and glad i did. Great information. Seem like a hard workin dude with alot of Knowledge
TYVM
Brand new Canuck sub
Love your honesty and ability to explain what I have always considered extremely complicated mechanical systems in a way that I can understand
Shalom
Welcome aboard!!
Few years ago I bought Pac 1218s off ebay. Came in the correct box, but came with used ls6 springs. So I ordered a second set off amazon and those were good but double the price
Yep, always buy from a authorized dealer
that height difference between the fakes and the real pac is unreal! spring pressures must be way outta wack too eh?
Absolutely
We have changed from NexTek we used for years never had an issue now they break like crazy we call them post covid springs giving PSI a try to see how they hold up lot better visually than the New Nextek took 3 boxes just to find 18 and they where junk.
Wow
I’m not sure about NexTek, but PAC supposedly got bought out in 2022… I don’t know anything about the buyer, but what happens alot of the time in just about every manufacturing industry is that when a company is sold, they start cutting costs in one way or another.
After seeing all these obviously fake PAC springs all over the internet, I recently got a set of PSI springs. Open the box and Fake garbage!
I’m afraid there is more foreign LS parts that have flooded the market nowadays and some of the fake stuff is looking more and more real. But At the end of the day, I see more and more engines seemingly failing from parts failures than ever before.
This is why I buy bare heads and put quality hardware on them. See so much stuff broke due to cheap stuff that some of the head manufacturers not all put on them. I was told by a guy that I spend to much money buying bare heads but like you said pay now or pay later either way you are going to pay.
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Basically the Valve spring in my opinion is one of if not the hardest working part in the motor...$35 for valve springs what the 😂? If you know anything about engines wouldn't you honestly think to stay away from that junk..Sorry mate I'm a fan of and use PSI springs, I'm watching from Australia and love your channel and videos keep up the great work 👍
Definitely
Been stung a few times as l was in a hurry and learnt the hard way too
Expensive lessons
no idea why i got here but thats a damn good video man. i do have a four stroke dirt bike i might try to diy rebuilt, doesn't seem too hard. i like your shop and like your video. if i ever get to learn to rebuild an engine and i hope i do, this is good shit to know
Absolutely!
Thanks for posting video's i have a 347 stroker with dss pistons for boost im $14000 into machine shop cost first shop charged me $7,632 to build a 347 when i got the motor from them i had a typewriter for a valve tran and glitter in the oil with smoke coming out of the oil catch can filters. Had to take it to a different shop they looked it over and said it needed to be line honed and better lifters installed so they charged me $3,800. Got the motor back from them and i had to take it back to them do too noise in the valve tran and still getting glitter in the oil and smoke at the filters.i my need to send my motor to you if your willing to do the job
Sure we do them often
@powellmachineinc3179 Thank you. I'm waiting for them to get back to me so I can see what I'm going to do
Another awesome informative video
Glad you enjoyed it
Unfortunately many DIY keyboard warriors tend to badmouth products or manufacturers for some failures they themselves created mainly because they think they know more than they do and won't admit it. I have seen this with all sorts of things from engines and engine parts, computer parts, boat parts, and on and on. I don't put a lot of stock in those customer reviews with stars or thumbs or any of the chat room talk. I actually have products that the reviews overwhelmingly denounce but I have personally been using nearly daily for many years with good results.
I enjoy listening to your honesty at best. Just keep doing what you are doing. Have a question for you do you deal with Japanese products?
A guy Ben, He said a very funny phase, the other day. Regarding exhaust lobe design and the valve not deaccelerating to the seat it time. he said," I hope they don't go to the moon because they are not coming back !". Very funny just slipped into a half hour chat.
I have seen them like with a also china sloppy stage 2 cam for under $150 but wasn't sure about them
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The Chinese springs do not appeared to be shot peened. PAC springs are shot peened aren't they? I remember I broke a Manley spring in my LS1,luckily valve did not drop, but engine ran like crap. I now know what a broken valve spring sounds like, before it finally drops.
Yep, definitely
Well, I'll have to look out for this.
I wanna build a 1.8L Mazda BP next year.
Not sure what valve springs I'll need but I sure will watch out for the signs
I’d been floating on the fence about hitting subscribe but this video is what kicked my butt on over and all the way to the dinner table!!
Lol
Same problem with roller lifters on Ebay they are advertising BTR and Delphi roller lifters for 1/3 the price of the real thing and people buy them. It's alot of $$$ to R&R an engine to save a few $$$ in parts.
Yep and neither of those companies actually make a lifter....
30 year mechanic here, It has killed the restoration trade for me. I can't do it anymore. All problems and no money.
Me again, i'm a sub'r to Weingartner Racing, he' s a cyl head dude, if u dont already know...PAC springs are supossed to be the bad ass mf rite now, he tests alot of stuff, he likes PAC ... he's Seen issues, but dont make a concise vid like you.. ... .you put it to rest...TY SIR!!😊
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Hang tight Dan pushrod deflection connections
I'm trying to hang loose right now, lol
If you want to learn something new watch a couple of Mr. P's videos. I wish I had this material 10 years ago.
Tyvm, we try hard!
"crunk up". Lol love that drawl!
Blows my mind that people put any amount of trust in these valve springs of all things. 😂😂
No doubt
Them PAC springs are amazing.
Yep, we like them
Dang i have a pair of speedmaster heads that came with spings that have been said to fail on reviews. Now im thinking maybe i should have taken the advice of changing them but was just content with the 202 values.
That’s why I spend the extra money and get my springs from Joe Hornick… psi springs only and always
The best thing the machine shops can do is just send away any customer who brings in this product. The only result is going to be the shop name being slung through the mud.
Lots of shops just don't know any better
I'm checking out your video from down the road in Spartanburg. I'm trying to figure out what valve springs to get for my 6.0 ls engine. Bought a cam that came with springs. Fb groups have been telling me not to use the springs. Some say to get springs with a .600 lift. What's the difference?
If you want quality spring's and cams, go to our website
Powellmachineinc.com
When you open a box of Chinese valve springs it looks like a salvage yard reincarnate , 16 cars recycled , honda buick dodge etc etc , if your lucky you might springs made from old Honda crank
guys buy the PAC springs, save the box, buy some cheap springs and put them in the box and sell them as new PAC springs. I have seen everybodys springs break but Isky and PAC
That's exactly why I clearly showed the "visual " difference
I bought an LS drop in double spring kit from extreme cfm . they were dark the company is no longer in business.now I wonder.
Yeah, it's scary
@@powellmachineinc I didn't buy a dirt cheap set, I paid 200.00 for the set but I'm checking them before I run it any more. I'll get ahold of you in the future, I trust you.
I think Moore Performance in North Carolina shut down because of all the Manley valve springs he sold were breaking. Be sure you are LLC.
Building an engine isn’t cheap. Do it once by doing correctly.
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That doesn't always happen. Especially in any engine that's modified.
Unless you straight across copy a crate engine.
Thanks for the info I love your videos
Love these videos!
So I can only assume people don’t do the spring pressure test anymore because installation and use?
I bet the dark ones are super soft man in comparison purple black usually means soft the harder the heat treat usually the lighter the color will be so they went super deep into the temper to try and make them last a min lmao just a theory about the ramen noodles
thanks,,,new to your channel
Thanks for the sub!
Called summit ordered Edelbrock cam kit....
Wat came n the Edelbrock box ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
A comp cam n Edelbrock springs....😶🤷
Through w m.... N they rite up da road🤦
Edelbrock has never manufactured a cam,lifters or spring's in there career, just reboxed
Lmao he said “ this is your wong fu puu” 1218 lmao 🤣 ohh shit i died lol and then he said “you have fell down and hit
Your head” if you think
You can get American made pac springs for 35$ oohhh man after this video and your valve seat video and another I forget oh the ebay crooks video im subbing outta you being real knowing your shit and dudes funny as hell lol
Glad to have u!!
I died when he mocked the Chinese spelling!
Lol
another great video! drop ship to me already in michigan!
It's a shame because PAC makes an excellent spring. I run the 1219X in my Ls6.
So, if LS motors are so so from the factory, how much for a long block from GM and how much for a long block from you with all the bugs addressed?
People read a comment online, take it’s as fact then Everytime they hear someone ask for help with a problem they are having they use that information from the comment they read to diagnose the issue. Never even knowing anything about the topic at hand. Then you have the others that read the comments and see most of the comments are making a specific diagnosis then he will comment that same diagnosis to make people think he knows something. I see some of the absolute worst diagnosis in reading comments every single day. And these people asking for help don’t even realize they are getting terrible information. It blows my mind.
So basically just have a little bit of common sense and if its too good to be true its not lol. I always order directly from the manufacturer or authorized dealer no matter what I am buying. People spend tons of money building an engine then what to buy $35 valve springs to save a few dollars, it completely blows my mind. 🇺🇸
Would u do a Rockwell test on the noodles lol
I once bought some fine valve springs for $25. IN 1972.
Thanks Daniel!!
My pleasure!
OLÁ. É provável que exista mais de uma especificação para pressão de molas. Examinando as tolerâncias de fabricação do ângulo de assentamento de válvulas e sédes nota-se a possibilidade de "inversão de ângulo". Esta inversão pode ser corrigida com leve retífica de pedra na séde de válvula. Caso não for feita a correção haverá a possibilidade de "flutuar" a válvula na séde não corrigida. Alguns fabricantes de motores optaram não corrigir a séde e adotaram molas bem mais fortes para que com o aumento de pressão evitar a flutuação, mesmo sabendo que diminuiria a durabilidade da correia dentada, dos alojamentos dos comandos de válvula em cabeçotes de alumínio, de aumento de consumo de combustível e de perda de potência. ABRAÇOS... Roberto Udo Krapf
All Chinese valve spring sent with fortune 🥠 cookie.
Every one of them says, " Use at your own risk. "
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No dog in the hunt............. Love it
Appreciate this!
Absolutely
Thank you fantastic vedio
The commentary had me rolling 😂😂
The old saying, "if it's got tits or wheels it's gunna give you grief"!
What about the summit ls valve springs?
I don't want to sound old and cranky (I am) but who would think they can get the same quality for a fraction of the price? It CAN NOT be done. Who would be foolish enough to roll those dice? I hate learning the "hard" way. Also, the people working at Pac Racing Springs will keep their jobs if you buy their products. That in itself is why you should buy from them. They might return the favor some day.
Who you ask?....the welfare Ls crowd...
Its worth noting the pink elephant in the room: giant, no limits, online resellers. They handle the listing, they handle the money, and sometimes a truck to truck transfer of goods. What they don't do generally speaking, is handle the merchandise: they've never seen it/don't want to - physical inventory takes up space, which induces bigger leases & insurance costs.
We're too old and wise anymore to learn the hard way.
Put a magnet in every engine.
good info thanks
Absolutely
Can't you just stretch that short one out a little bit? 😮
They probably dip them in used oil after heating them, that's where the nice dark patina comes from.
Joe
Lol
Stretching them is only a temporary solution.
To do it right, you have to stuff tiny little footballs inside the springs.
I can’t even believe someone would risk their motor with a set of Chinese valve springs.
In China their MFG laws are different and they don't care if they make sub standard parts.
We here in the USA need to understand that our laws about products don't apply in China.
Some US branded parts like lifters are made in China because the brand wants to save money by getting them made in China. I wish US companies still made their own parts.
Throw a hoodie on your Web Site and I’ll order a couple 👍
There on there
I sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of paper into china for many years, we were looking to have a large paper rewinder manufactured over there, our contact owned 30 companies in China, she FLAT OUT STATED that we would spec the machine they would manufacture the ones coming directly to my plant in the US to spec and they would be correct, but the first chance the chinese company had the opportunity they would cheapen the input materials and be out of spec. I would be lucky if the drop shipped goods were operable at all.
She said when I go into a store I pick up a product, it says Made in China -I throw it down, TRASH,
Getting a deal is one thing but when the deal is to good to be true........
How much are they ?
Anyone who would take a chance on $35 valve springs deserves $35 valve springs.
Finally got hit recently with fake MOSFETs (comp audio amplifier) myself after years of making sure I don’t, last time I use a “distributor” vs going factory direct which I usually do, can’t trust shit lately …
Facts
Mmmmmmm,interesting,, put the Chinese Springs in the spring tester,set a pressure,,eg;130 at 1.800"...then go up and down 20 times.. check first pressure again.. they will probably be down..
Heat them in the oven. Then check them.
Steve Morris has had a few springs break in his SMX engines....and these are premium good stuff...but they've found that the methanol fuel puts a lot of moisture in the motors and if you don't run them up to temperature with gasoline to drive out this moisture they springs will rust. Every one that broke did so at a rust spot that had penetrated enough to weaken them.
I agree that the Chinese CAN make good stuff and have had a few positive dealings with them, but always remember that there are deceitful businessmen over there that will change materials to make more profit especially if they don't think you'll notice. They have lots of buildings falling down because they were built with substandard materials so the owner could make more money and I think this trend is going in the wrong direction rather than getting better as their economy is failing badly.
Springs from oteva70sc in Germany if you order few hundred is 1epiece you knew difference is profit on sales firm 1000%min I have and isky what broke after two h work on 6-9000revs
Is that English??