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I Had To KILL 2 Monstera Thai Cons Because Of Plant Drama
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2023
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Great video! Appreciate the time, effort and money you have invested to do this.
Much appreciated! Hope it was fun to watch!
That little Pythium poof is a cutie.
That pythium puppet turned out better than I could have ever imagined lol
I have 15 TC Thai Cons. One was even purchased in a rehab box. All are still alive. My “deflasking process”: rinse with warm tap water, dunk in peroxide, plant in stratum. 100% success rate 3 months in
Nice. It's so funny how stratum is like this bomb proof propagation substrate lol I love the aquarium cross over stuff
Thank you for testing your Thai’s! Hopefully this will help to settle the debate.
Man, I feel pretty ashamed... I definitely didn't read the papers the whole way through. Serves me right for abstract skimming! Thanks for this, Matt. Great work. I hope more people take a leaf out of your book and get their Thaicons tested. Looking forward to watching the sequels to this!
no worries! That would be cool to see a bunch of results roll in from many thai con owners, it would help get a more complete picture!
I simply love how you didn't hesitate to spend your own money just to say some ppl 'go f#@k yourself, I was right all along' ❤
lol, just to clarify, I mostly just wanted to see what the truth was, Its not that i want the detractors to go f#@k themselves its more of my disdain for scientific journal posting to "prove" points when we can just carry out a test or experiment lol. thanks for watching!
@@TechplantChannel yeah I know, you always do have solid scientific basis but you bathe it in a lake of good humour. That's why it's fun to watch. You're slowly becoming that beloved chemistry teacher who does fun experiments and is all like 'hey kids today we're gonna check if the school is flammable' rotfl
That’s so wild!! My Thai con is going through its 4th winter with me & doing so well. It’s been a strong , proven winner. It’s bloomed 5 times so far. It goes w/o saying that it performs superbly during growing season. Maybe I got one of the originals?😂😂
Thanks for the informative series on this & all the other topics you’ve researched. I really appreciate you doing this bc I’ve learned so much from you.
Pay no mind to those bot idiots who’s job it is to antagonize you. Just block them & report them for harassment. Life’s too short & you DO know what you are talking about.
Cheers
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wow i bet that is one beautiful specimen! yeah this was the one time commenters were living in my head rent free because some of the stuff was just so obvious yet it flew over their heads and nothings worse than getting called a name while the name caller is literally living that name out lmao
One more thing, cuttings usually rot. I've got a 50-50 success record with propagating these because the stem where it is cut from starts to rot and I can't seem to stop it. Great video, man, very thought provoking
Once their cut let the ends air dry for several hours. I think I let mine dry about 5 hours before placing them in water. Haven’t ever lost one. Good luck 💚
Some people swear by sealing cut ends with superglue. Let them dry first then brush it on. Didn’t have any losses when I used it to seal my adansonii. Worth a shot at least.
This is a very interesting video, love the sketch at the start! The effort 😂🎉! I studied biomedical sciences (focus on human diseases, not plants), and I have a wild suggestion. I wonder of people are having problems with their Thai rotting because of thorough decontamination. That might be a weird thought, I know, I’ll try to explain… our guts are lined with all sorts of microbiotes like bacteria, and we need them to be healthy. Sometimes when people get an infection and take antibiotics, they develop gut problems after. Some of the “good” bacteria that lived in the gut died because of the antibiotics, and now suddenly there is space on the gut wall for other bacteria to grow and multiply. Alright back to plants, what if people are getting rid of “good” microbiotic creatures by being really careful and decontaminating their Thai, but then bacteria from their surroundings just get on the plant because there is space now? I’m not sure if this could happen to plants the same way as it works with our guts though.
(With the decontamination I mean people might sterilise the roots of the plantlet, so after the tissue culturing process is done. I do understand that the plant needs to be sterile during the tissue culturing)
I think this is a driving factor as well. I think that's why I don't have too many issues with my soil because there are honestly like 3 to 5 species of tiny mites/insects plus a plethora of other organisms that sorta keep the stuff balanced.
You explained that well. Thanks
Thank you for standing up for actual science, and encouraging people to check primary source material, rather than rely on a misinterpretation of something completely out of context. I am thankful that I ran into you here on RUclips, so that I can learn from you. I love your experimental approach.
Your little talk show made my day! 😂 Keep up the good work!
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Same! You have the same first and last name as my daughter! How wild! Gwenny just turned 3 last week 💓
@@Wispertile really? That is neat. You don't see many Gwen's around!
Now as a tv plant show host, the mustache really makes sense! Your Great videos are so smart. 👍
Lol yup I was trying to build some sort of persona with the mustache
This was such an interesting video. I’ve had my Thai con for a few weeks and it’s doing great. Nice healthy roots. I’m not someone who babies or hovers over their plants so maybe I can keep the pythium poofs at bay because of my sheer neglect with the lack of water.
I think I kill the most plants, or at least make them weak and sickly by UNDERwatering then drenching those crusty dusty roots with to much water, really soaking all the soil. This seems to create rot very quickly. I wonder if people are being to cautious and not watering enough?
I know exactly what you are talking about with the under then over water I think that's a big culprit!
I’ve given so many plants root rot this exact way- usually because I haven’t realized I need to start checking them more often and they are using up their water faster than expected.
Best video yet man
Great job keep it up we love your channel 👏
Thank you!
I've had issues with established Thai con and getting root rot. I believe the issue was the soil mix and over watering. While some roots were rotting, it was actively putting out new root and growth from a newer node.i noticed the roots when I was replanting. I'm guessing it's more finicky to water right, and it's more convenient to label it pythium than blame oneself for bad care. You might not have the over watering issue given the amount of light you blast your plants with
Pythium could be responsible for root rot. i found some literature that said use at least 20% pine bark, but I haven't tried it yet, Pythium likes wet soil and it gets in the roots and goes up the stem and the plant just kind of collapses, i get it really bad in some Peperomia, i just lost a couple bringing them in for the winter.
pythium IS killing some of these plants for sure, this is just dispelling that idea that they have it inside of them from the very start because the mother plant had it when they started Tissue Culturing them
Mine also put out new roots while others rotted! The leaves were wilting though, so the rot was definitely winning. I eventually cut mine up and propagated all the nodes in water. 100% sucess rate with regular tap water and a grow light!
Love the set design and show. Wonderfully fun way to give information to your audience.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That opening bit was totally worth the effort! 😂 Love all your baby Thai cons--I hope some of them make it through. I've followed @Wildfern's videos of her Thai con roots rotting multiple times, but hers is finally a big healthy specimen now.
ill have to go watch what shes done! also thanks for the kind words!
BAM !!!!! Loved this , thank you for all this great info
Thank you for watching!
Also, I've had a Thai since 2020 and took many cuttings from it - some of them really took a beating care-wise, and they all lived without issue. The mother plant got bad root rot at one point, so I just snipped the whole plant up and all the cuttings from thrived too. Basically, I always thought Thais were very hardy because of this! I did not know others felt differently. Thanks for sharing :)
If it helps, the mother plant got root rot after I potted it up too large
Thanks for sharing your experience!
That intro gave me nightmares of when I used to pretend to be sick to skip school but nothing was on TV but Maury and Jerry Springer. 🤣😂
That is why I made this lmaoo
Thank you for your hard work and diligence. You definitely have a lot of patience for your "hecklers." Atta boy! Keep up the great content please! 🙏
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement!
Once again @techplant this was a great video. I always look forward to your well thought out and detailed analysises. I can't wait to see where this Thai con road takes you.
Thanks a ton! Hopefully I can make some cool stuff!
In my situation, it's always been straight up human error that damages my Thais - over watering, under water then over water, and reporting to a pot that's a little too big.
Yeah same all the plants I've lost have been my fault lol
Thanks for doing the hard work and giving your audience good facts. I enjoy all your videos. Please keep it up
Thank you very much!
Lol. The drama. The comedy. The scientific mic drop 😂
Nice work Matt!
hehe thank you!
Now the mustache makes sense! Sad to see it go :
My wife hated it lol
Using your "old" soil mix for the test was such a good touch.
it makes me think a healthy soil full of a bunch of crap all balances each other out where as a sterile soil just invites one bad actor to take over
Great video 👍 The plant spoof at the beginning is hilarious 😂🇨🇦
So much interesting information here, I never wanted a Thai con untill I realised I might get a little Pythium in my house. Now I’ve seen him? Sign me up for all the Thai cons 🤣
lmao, i need to commission a plushie
This is the greatest piece of plant content I've ever seen. Immediately subbed.
Plant hero. And you surely need your own TV show. Like Anchorman but realer :)
That would be fun. I did just add wheels to my filming station so it could be more possible
great video buddy. glad you finally have the hard evidence to debunk the nonsense
Is that why you grew the mustache?!?! That’s commitment! This whole drama is still getting better and better. Thanks to you and @prettyingreen for bringing some lighthearted drama to plantube. I also love your laissez faire attitude towards root rot or fungus. I think most of the time we are way too much of helicopter parents with our plants. Just we because we see a tiny bit of rot on some roots doesn’t mean we have to unpot, treat, trim and whatever else we do. Also what about sterilizing our mediums, this just proves that nature sort of takes its own course. My assumption is that this bin you have is full of good bacteria as well as bad bacteria, and the good won out in the end!!!
yeah its been pretty fun!
Big brain!!!
Lol thanks for watching!
This video was worth the wait thanks so much for doing all of this. Love the skit at the beginning, very funny 😂
Great work! 🥸Love all your videos! Can’t wait for the next upload.
Thank you so much!
Very creative. I love it. Great video and very educational. Thank you.😊
Thanks!
This was packed with information. Great video.
Glad to hear it!
Waoooo bro just waoo this came out wonderful i just love the fluff ball so adorable
Lol I was quite happy with how it turned out too. Pretty cute
Dude, Clever. I enjoyed. Maury Povitch style.
Wow, serious experimentation. Cool.
Nice Video :D. There was only one incident, where i had an Problem with an Thai Constellation that led to a dying plant. I sold an small ThaiCon Plant to an collegue and swaped the Plant from mineral Substrate to an organic mix. After a week, the plant rotted away at my collegues house.
So not really an idea about what happend there, all my Thais are doing fine and all propagations were at a 100% success rate.
Good to hear! Well see how many people participate in their death stories but I've also noticed a lot from talking with people of deaths shortly after a transplant so maybe something is occurring during that phase
Very good! You put a lot of work into this. Sometimes I think our expectations are what makes the difference. We can do everything wrong and expect the plant to do well, and it does. 😂 For my part, I try to use chunky enough soil that I can water more frequently. I’ve heard people have trouble with their Thai Cons needing more water than green Deliciosa. So I keep mine in chunky soil and I don’t let it dry out more than an inch or two. Seems to be thriving and just a few months after import (tiny baby) the roots are breaking out of the 4” pot.
Also thanks for normalizing having a dirty sink. 😂
shhhhh you didnt see that
Very interesting & fun video. Thank you for taking the time to investing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
We all know who he’s referring to. I also lost a bit of respect when I saw his video. I’m glad you clarified things here!
As a vegetarian, I love plant based beef.
LMAO
Don’t forget COCO Coir video!! I wanna know what you think. I have my own suspicions but I… don’t want to say anything bad. Or for anyone to think I’m not a fan either. Just my scientific curiosity.
Seconded I feel like I like it more than peat but it doesn’t seem to be perfect
Fun, educational video and I LOVE your T-shirt!
Thanks! It was some volunteering thing and the shirt was random but looking back it was very fitting for the video rant lmao
This is the most cutest and awesome thing I've ever seen. I love this deliverance of info lol right on!!!
Before I continue watching, I need to say how much I love this at 20 seconds in lol.
im very happy to hear the skit is landing lmao
Bless this channel
thank you!
Lolol. The production value is top notch 😂 Great video and educational! I didn't deflask my first thai con. Got it when it was about 8 inches tall and transferred it to leca and it ended up dying. It didn't transition well and it was obviously my fault! So imo it's usually human error. My two thai cons I have now (didn't deflask them, but they were about 3 inches tall) started in a aroid mix. I transferred them into fluval stratum, then stratum/leca, and eventually full leca in about a span of 3-4 months. Didn't lose either one doing a slow transition into leca. Got out of leca a few months ago just plopped them into coco coir and perlite mix and they have been doing better than ever 😁 All trial and error to see what works best for yourself!
Nice happy to hear about your success and also failure because it ads to the info out there and helps me develope ideas foe future tests!!
Love the intro skit!!
Happy you enjoyed it!
"at this point I wanted to further the chaos" this is the quality content I subscribe for :')
For your next experiment: do plants grow better if you stick googly eyes on them?
lmao
Yeah those videos "that guy" made towards yours - I found him smug and smarmy, like he was enjoying the chance to start drama where there wasn't. It seemed to me like he couldn't handle someone giving his videos even slightly negative criticism and wanted to shut you down for doing so. I think the point about thai cons "never getting cheaper" is a matter of perspective - on the consumer side it's certainly getting cheaper due to propagation. There are thai con mid cuts for 30$-50$ in plant groups. For someone ordering plants off a wholesaler list, sure it's going to be a little more expensive because the plant is still in demand so it will remain just a little more expensive than other plants on that list. As far as earlier generations of thai constellations being hardier, I know Kaylee Ellen has mentioned on her channel that the quality of thai constellations has declined over the years since she started buying and selling them. That's anecdotal but it's something.
I'm going to try and get ahold of the older thai cons because I'm very curious about it as well. I'm very suspect about speed and TC plants in general now adays never getting a good chance to establish as they go from vendor to vendor. But yeah there could be something too it! It will be fun to keep testing these and hear more peoples perspective on these plants
Dying laughing at a cafe watching the first part. Such a great video. Keep up the GOOD science. 🎉
thank thank!
We need more bits like this in most hobby community, like in the aquarium hobby too.
Love this! 🫶🏼💚 Thanks Matt
Thanks for watching
I just came across your channel. Loved this video!!! We appreciate your effort.
I would love to try this. Where are you guys getting them? I got an albo cutting as a gift and it did great in water and lecca. I put it in a chuncky mix; Orchid mix and it started to brown. I had it first under a grow light. Giving it 6 hours of light per day. Then, when the brown began, I moved it to a north facing window. I would say it was mid October. After the move, I watered once, bottom watering. It died within two weeks. Sorry, just trying to put as much info as I can for diagnosing purpose 🙂 Oh, I used a tiny bit of Orchid food in the water when I bottom watered it..
I changed the medium and fused over my propagation too much. That’s how my first one died. Recently was gifted another prop so this time I’m going to set it and leave it. So far so good 😊 not sure if this was helpful but my experience. I know it’s not chopping the plant that causes problems cause my friend is constantly propagating hers and it’s thriving
this is helpful, ive been seeing a trend that its a repot or major environment change that triggers the death spiral
@@TechplantChannel update, so the first prop I lost from hovering was a leaf+stem propagation. This last time it was 2 leafless nodes and sucks but I lost them both to rot. I was worried they’d rot in my prop box with high humidity so I tried perlite. This plant is so frustrating and I’ve decided not to bother anymore unless I want to spend the money for a mature plant. I’m not a noob and have 80+ healthy plants. my friend offered another cutting but I told her no thanks 🫣😩🙃
also hey quick question about that NZ sphagnum moss... ya know how it goes green, is it coming back to life or is the green from tiny algae or something?
some is algae but it does come back to life as well and will grow green, if you want a lot, put some in a dish and make it wet, then put a clear lid on it and put it under strong lights, in a couple of months youll have real living sphagnum
I have literallly never had a problem with Thai cons until this last one I bought. It’s sitting in the bag, half rotted. Not even unflasked yet. Like I’ve never had root rot trouble with them. I feel like the normal and albo are more dramatic than my gorgeous Thai cons. Only water them once a week, very bark heavy aroid mix.
I lost my first thai constellation to root rot. I was keeping it alongside another baby monstera (just a normie) and watering them at roughly the same cadence and I think it was just way too much water and way too little light for the thai constellation. I actually cut it back, rerooted it, and tried again. It was going fine until my housemate very helpfully watered it while I was gone.
I have a second one I got a few months ago. It's under a skylight facing west-ish, and gets roughly half as much water as my other monstera. Absolutely zero problems. I've gotten 3-4 leaves out of it and absolutely no indications of disease, wilt, or stress.
So my personal theory is that they want a lot less water than you think, and people are giving way too much, but that's just a theory.
This show throws Bill Nye vibes and I am here for it!
Lol
Great video on Thai’s.
Hopefully you make a video about your concerns on coco choir. Just started using it, although I do buffer with Mag.
I have an Albo that is huge and doing great in a very chunky coco coir mix, and I decided to do essentially the same with my Thai Con and hope for the best. I had a small scare of root rot early on before repotting, which i caught because i saw no new growth for a while, but that was only some of the roots and so I decided to go with a clear cup to make it easy for me to monitor the root situation. Today i still have my baby thai doing great, it's pushing out new leaves and the roots are escaping the cup through the drainage holes lol. I was really scared that it would die, 50 euros is still a lot to me personally to spend on something only for it to die. I lost two rooted Albo cuttings before getting my more established plant. I'm now suspecting they got exposed to cold since those were gotten in the winter. The thai con has been pretty chill in comparison tbh 😂
50 is a lot for me too! Glad it's doing well now!
But if the person say if phytium exist it wont make it on days being on flask that good to know thank u so much
Yup yup it was nice to hear a professionals opinion because he deals with that stuff on a daily basis!
I do integrated Pest and pathogen management and when I seen his video all I can think is sounds like it's in your garden not the plant
Entertaining and educational!
Thank you so much
I bet people are growing them in too little light. These plants need a ton of light to grow quickly and stay healthy.
if a Thai constellation speaks Thai, does a crème brûlée speak French?
🙃
Yes
OK so what’s the sneaking suspicion with coir?!?
I hate that stuff, every time i mess with it, my hands have like slivers all over and i just noticed it performs poorly from my growing perspective. but its a sneaking suspicion so i gotta put it to the test first before i put it on blast
Awesome video!
Thanks!
What lab were these sent to? I’m looking to have some plants tested and have no idea where to send them.
In the description there is a link to a website that will help you find a lab
I have my monstera from 2020 and she is massive i say massive she take my living room wall the leaf are huge i dicide to buy a tc back in june and she is getting huge i also got a mint monstera she also doing great but mine are in semihydro 😊
Nice! I have a mint cutting and it's first leafe is 95% white lmao I'm nervous. The mid cut leaf was basically the opposite and 90% green
truly a masterpiece
Thank you lol
FML now you got me spending the rest of my day in the comment section. 😂
lmao, there are like three videos worth
Im only 4 minutes in so far but I just had to say this is amazing. Also I kinda got used to the stache lol.
Lol I felt wierd the first few days without it even though I only had one for a brief time
PREACH!
Lol
I love that you even tried to kill them and they didn't die. At the end of the day they're still monstera and basically weeds. The skit was hilarious I loved it, epic video once again
Thank you very much!
Very cute skit! The comment section trolls are assholes. What can I say? Your videos are extremely entertaining and full of interesting and informative content. Eff the rest of them! We love your channel. ❤
Lol thank you for the kindness and support
This is brilliant
Thank you!
The Thai Con chinese voice got me dead lol😂
It was thai!
@@TechplantChannel Ohhhh!My bad but it sounded so goofy 😂😂
This was awesome. People... people is all I have to say lol. Have a great day.
Bro please keep doing random educational shit like this
will do!
Please do a detailed how to :)
This is absolutely amazing! I have been waiting hear updates since the tin foil hat episode.
Me too! I've been dying to make this but I had to wait a bit on the baby thai cons to see I'd they lived or not
I can't believe he's not the father.😂
Thanks for doing all the testing!
no problem it was very fun
This was pretty awesome 🤙
ok so I have 3 thai cons lol 2 small and 1 medium size. I had to reroot the 2 small ones bc I overwatered them and they got root rot. they're now planted together in leca and doing well. The medium size is doing great in a chunky mix I water about every week and a half. so for me it was 100% my fault I was too excited and kept watering it 😂😂😂
No no tell me about what you’ve noticed about coco coir it’s what I use for my soil base
He googly eyes I'm dead ☠️😂
lol, did you see the false eyelashes on miss thai con?
Yes mustache
I'm sorry but I shaved It off... please don't leave!
this intro is wild 🤣😭🤣
As soon as the idea popped in my head I had to pursue it lmaoo
ABSOLUTELY UNHINGED LOL SOMEONE STOP THIS UNSCIENTIFICAL MANIAC
lmao
This plant shit really gets serious sometimes
Grand slam with this video!! That other channel was so annoying in the response video with the catty approach, smirking with the cup of tea.
i just hate arguing opinions by posting scientific journals especially when they aren't directly related or ARE but used incorrectly!
hmmm not even a fan of thai constellation , yes i said it , lol
wow you are going to be on the next Matthew Povich show
❤😂🤣😂🌱☀️
Thanks for watching
😂awesomeness
Thanks for watching!