Our dear friends Shannon and Brooke nance are playing this piece this morning in memory of our daughter. There are no words for the depth of loss and love. This piece is a profound expression of both. Thank you.
'can't believe I'm seeing this! I went to high school with Dale; he taught me how to tie a tie (for ROTC) my first day there. He redines the term "monster." I just read about this piece in Jan Swafford's great bio on Brahms. Jan also went to the same high school. I'm glad to know that Brahms specified waldhorn; thus the same key for all the mvmts. But no one uses that horn, nor have they ever, according to Swafford. I believe him! Perhaps privately, in a hausmusik setting.
3 of the top classicla music figure here.. Daniel Barenboim-- famous pianist/conductor, Itzhak perlman-- awesome violinist, and CSO ex principal, Dale Clevenger.. perfect combination..!
robinbobilink Definitely... it's a hard instrument to play. I've been playing it for years and it's still very difficult... Lord knows I need to be taught humility.
@OrchestrationOnline this is a horn trio because the horn is the unusual instrument, not because it takes priority over the others. It is not a horn concerto. What is amazing about the piece is how well it merges all instruments. When the horn is given priority (like in the Tuckwell recording if I recall right) it destroys the spirit.
Interestingly, (I think), this work apparently inspired other composers to write for this unusual combination of instruments. Ligeti comes to mind. Also, John Harbison, Lenox Berkeley, Otto Ketting, Zi-xiou He, Charles Koechelin, Don Banks and others. (Also interesting, the same thing happened with Debussy's work for flute, viola and harp.)
Very pretty. How many know that Brahms tried to be a horn player, himself? He wrote a series of 10 horn etudes (Opus posthumous). He also always insisted on Hand horns in any orchestra he conducted playing his music.
'can't believe I'm seeing this! I went to high school with Dale; he taught me how to tie a tie (for ROTC) my first day there. He redines "monster." But so do Chris Martin and Charlie Vernon. I just read about this piece in Jan Swafford's great bio on Brahms. Jan also went to the same high school. I'm glad to know that Brahms specified waldhorn; thus the same key for all the mvmts. But no one uses that horn, nor have they ever, according to Swafford. I believe him! Perhaps privately.
Amazing! Outstanding! Incredible performance! They play as one and obviously enjoy both the piece and the opportunity to play together. Very moving! Enjoyed their tempi immensely, as they allowed us to relish every note. In my opinion, all other performances need to come up to the standard of this one.
@ralfmichaels No, you are completely missing the point point of my question. A.) it is a "Horn Trio." B.) it has possibly the best horn player they could get. C.) any recording company in their right mind, any composer releasing a recording like this, and the other two great musicians would all agree that Clevenger's name should go first - even if it's just to make sure that new listeners to classical music will associate the hornist with the first name on the list. That is standard.
Well, for those who think it is a Horn Trio, and are warbling on about the significance of the horn, maybe you need to think again. The title (on the edition I have) is: "Trio for Piano, Violin, and Horn or Viola or Cello". I heard the "viola option" given by the Schubert Ensemble this January. That said, I think the last movement is ideal for the horn as it is reminiscent of a hunt. I agree that it's a bit slow; I tend to think of Andante being a little faster, but then I walk quickly :-)
Why, in a video featuring a Horn Trio, is the hornist taking third billing over the pianist and the violinist? That is totally weird...Clevenger is the star here, it doesn't matter if the ordinary classical music listener doesn't know him. He should be first, then the violinist, and last the pianist, and that is the way it goes even if the pianist is the greatest conductor in the world.
I agree with the sentiment but things are often not that clear; for instance the violin sonatas by Beethoven were written for "piano and violin" (in this order!) and yet many concert organizers would barely mention the pianist. There are other examples like this. At least in the German language the "horn trio" could equally be referred to as a piano trio, with an unusual choice of instruments, and the same could be said about the trios for piano, bassoon and oboe (my random ordering) by Poulenc, Francaix and others.
To be fair, the order of instruments in the original publication is piano, violin, and (wald)horn. Moreover, if listing Barenboim and Perlman get more *non* hornists to listen to the Trio, I am all for it.
Fine artists.Perlman always inspired, closest to an earlier Brahms. Heroics overblown? a modern grand,1970's B Horn no mystery. please visit the performance or Serkin Busch Brain, for a intimate sensitivity bridging back in time
Clevenger sounds like natural horn as is taking the tonziles out of bell all the time, so either his horn is two feet longer or he is using cornet like mouthpiece and most likely both but eventually it sounds correct and in accordance to old masters Perlmann and Barenboim.
Perhaps Clevenger was trying to achieve a degree of perfection rather than emotion. Especially where some would argue that the difficulties of making a good controlled sound are greater on the horn than on a stringed instrument. And, yes, I do have personal knowledge of both families as an amateur.
I think that the violin completely spoils this beautiful work. Strange as it may sound, I've heard much better performances of this work by not so well known musicians.
I understand. However, I never found Perlman to be such a great musician, despite his big reputation. This is another performance which confirms my idea of him.
… and Clevenger shows impeccably how it is possible to leave out all emotion in music that some would consider very emotional music! Quite impressive in some universe!
![Brahms: Horn Trio Op.40 [Melnikov, Faust, van der Zwart] (Period instruments)](/img/1.gif)
Our dear friends Shannon and Brooke nance are playing this piece this morning in memory of our daughter. There are no words for the depth of loss and love. This piece is a profound expression of both. Thank you.
Rest In Peace Dale Clevenger❤
So sad that Dale Clevenger passed away this year, he was so talented.
'can't believe I'm seeing this! I went to high school with Dale; he taught me how to tie a tie (for ROTC) my first day there. He redines the term "monster."
I just read about this piece in Jan Swafford's great bio on Brahms. Jan also went to the same high school. I'm glad to know that Brahms specified waldhorn; thus the same key for all the mvmts. But no one uses that horn, nor have they ever, according to Swafford. I believe him! Perhaps privately, in a hausmusik setting.
3 of the top classicla music figure here.. Daniel Barenboim-- famous pianist/conductor, Itzhak perlman-- awesome violinist, and CSO ex principal, Dale Clevenger.. perfect combination..!
Dale was 1st solo horn for the Chicago Sym from 1966 to 2013!
Massive admiration for this trio, I sincerely hope to get another opportunity to play it some time!
Beautiful. I used to play the french horn in high school... what a great instrument!
The horn is God's gift to the arrogant, to teach them humility and eventually lead the faithful to glory.
robinbobilink Definitely... it's a hard instrument to play. I've been playing it for years and it's still very difficult... Lord knows I need to be taught humility.
Jay Thomas You're right, it doesn't matter how much you practice, it's always demanding.
+robinbobilink Sounds like it came right out of the horn bible. I'll put your quote on my tombstone when I die.
@OrchestrationOnline this is a horn trio because the horn is the unusual instrument, not because it takes priority over the others. It is not a horn concerto. What is amazing about the piece is how well it merges all instruments. When the horn is given priority (like in the Tuckwell recording if I recall right) it destroys the spirit.
In this movement, at least, the violin is most frequently prominent.
Meraviglioso!!! Prende Anima e Quore !!!
Interestingly, (I think), this work apparently inspired other composers to write for this unusual combination of instruments. Ligeti comes to mind. Also, John Harbison, Lenox Berkeley, Otto Ketting, Zi-xiou He, Charles Koechelin, Don Banks and others.
(Also interesting, the same thing happened with Debussy's work for flute, viola and harp.)
Very pretty. How many know that Brahms tried to be a horn player, himself? He wrote a series of 10 horn etudes (Opus posthumous). He also always insisted on Hand horns in any orchestra he conducted playing his music.
'can't believe I'm seeing this! I went to high school with Dale; he taught me how to tie a tie (for ROTC) my first day there. He redines "monster." But so do Chris Martin and Charlie Vernon.
I just read about this piece in Jan Swafford's great bio on Brahms. Jan also went to the same high school. I'm glad to know that Brahms specified waldhorn; thus the same key for all the mvmts. But no one uses that horn, nor have they ever, according to Swafford. I believe him! Perhaps privately.
Amazing! Outstanding! Incredible performance! They play as one and obviously enjoy both the piece and the opportunity to play together.
Very moving! Enjoyed their tempi immensely, as they allowed us to relish every note.
In my opinion, all other performances need to come up to the standard of this one.
Talk about a stacked group to play this. Wow!!
@ralfmichaels No, you are completely missing the point point of my question. A.) it is a "Horn Trio." B.) it has possibly the best horn player they could get. C.) any recording company in their right mind, any composer releasing a recording like this, and the other two great musicians would all agree that Clevenger's name should go first - even if it's just to make sure that new listeners to classical music will associate the hornist with the first name on the list. That is standard.
넘 좋다 ㅠㅠBeautiful music.!
Well, for those who think it is a Horn Trio, and are warbling on about the significance of the horn, maybe you need to think again. The title (on the edition I have) is: "Trio for Piano, Violin, and Horn or Viola or Cello". I heard the "viola option" given by the Schubert Ensemble this January. That said, I think the last movement is ideal for the horn as it is reminiscent of a hunt.
I agree that it's a bit slow; I tend to think of Andante being a little faster, but then I walk quickly :-)
Why, in a video featuring a Horn Trio, is the hornist taking third billing over the pianist and the violinist? That is totally weird...Clevenger is the star here, it doesn't matter if the ordinary classical music listener doesn't know him. He should be first, then the violinist, and last the pianist, and that is the way it goes even if the pianist is the greatest conductor in the world.
I agree with the sentiment but things are often not that clear; for instance the violin sonatas by Beethoven were written for "piano and violin" (in this order!) and yet many concert organizers would barely mention the pianist. There are other examples like this. At least in the German language the "horn trio" could equally be referred to as a piano trio, with an unusual choice of instruments, and the same could be said about the trios for piano, bassoon and oboe (my random ordering) by Poulenc, Francaix and others.
To be fair, the order of instruments in the original publication is piano, violin, and (wald)horn. Moreover, if listing Barenboim and Perlman get more *non* hornists to listen to the Trio, I am all for it.
Fine artists.Perlman always inspired, closest to an earlier Brahms. Heroics overblown? a modern grand,1970's B Horn no mystery. please visit the performance or Serkin Busch Brain, for a intimate sensitivity bridging back in time
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Where was this preformed
Clevenger sounds like natural horn as is taking the tonziles out of bell all the time, so either his horn is two feet longer or he is using cornet like mouthpiece and most likely both but eventually it sounds correct and in accordance to old masters Perlmann and Barenboim.
when was this recording actually done?
I’m a bit late in responding, but it should be sometime in the early 90s when Barenboim took over as music director at the Chicago symphony.
@mastergohan Who said that ???
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@mastergohan Oh my God ! Now I understand Lol
Perhaps Clevenger was trying to achieve a degree of perfection rather than emotion. Especially where some would argue that the difficulties of making a good controlled sound are greater on the horn than on a stringed instrument. And, yes, I do have personal knowledge of both families as an amateur.
I think that the violin completely spoils this beautiful work. Strange as it may sound, I've heard much better performances of this work by not so well known musicians.
Wonderful, although I've often found Perlman's playing just a tad cloying...
I understand. However, I never found Perlman to be such a great musician, despite his big reputation. This is another performance which confirms my idea of him.
… and Clevenger shows impeccably how it is possible to leave out all emotion in music that some would consider very emotional music! Quite impressive in some universe!
Too much slow for me.
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