I started playing in 64 and it's unreal what's expected of a drummer today to just be seen as competent compared to then. What's 20 years from now going to bring? Coming out of the womb with sticks in hand?
Naw, man. I'm intermediate and I get tons of praise from band members and nonmuscians just being a solid drummer. Unless you're auditioning for Dream Theater or Animals as Leaders, literally nobody except other drummer nerds, so maybe like 1 dude in the entire audience at a gig, care if you can play polyrhythmic inverted paradiddle diddle ruffs between your hands and feet at 160BPM or whatever. They probably wouldn't even be able to appreciate what you're doing. Don't compare yourself to social media super stars and think that's the norm.
@@arsonne To properly respond to your comment with explanations would take a book. First, understand my comment was directed to drummers with aspirations of earning a living playing but it applies to everyone. There was a time when a drummer could earn a good living sticking to preferred genres but those days are gone. Hell, even bands today are pretty much gone and the vast majority of drummers are hired guns working to scale. The more versatile you are the more you work. If a drummer's abilities are limited to not much more than back beats they're not going to work much if at all. Also the quickest way to not get any calls is to tell a person calling you can do something you can't. People talk and word gets around fast. If you can't do it, say so. Trust goes a long way. You also have to accept that working to pay the bills has nothing to do with your preferred music genres. Playing is a job, it's work and this is just a small scratch on the surface of what that job requires of you. Absorb everything you can. Nate isn't creating these videos for you because he spent his time sitting on his ass. It's real work. For anyone interested in this my suggestion for you would be to pull Reed's syncopation back out and get some blank staff paper. Copy Reed on to the staff paper without bar lines and start practicing in every time signature you can imagine and expand to the kit from there remembering not everything is a back beat. Get comfortable with the uncomfortable. Be creative and if your playing stands out for complementing the music you will be noticed. You don't want to be a name buried somewhere in the Rolodex. All this works for the hobbyist too that wants to play progressing with better and better players. They make you better.
One thing ive been really working on is making sure my left hand technique perfectly matches my right. May sound obvious but its pretty easy for drummers to make it to an advanced stage without doing that. Theyll get their left competent but not where it should be. Youll never get it 100% of the way there unless you start playing left hand lead all the time (not super practical but possible) but you gotta work on it, and it takes close observation and discipline. I think its good to do exercises 3x for the left vs 1 for the right, always trying to make sure they match in every way (volume, angle, trajectory, stick height, grip, etc.) And also your grip is an essential part of what i mean by "matching technique" Maybe its because my sticks sit in my first fulcrum (a lot of people use second fulcrum) but playing by holding the stick only by my thumb and first fulcrum of my pointer finger helped probably the most out of anything since thats your pivot point You'll never have stamina or be able to relax your hands if that pivot point is not rock solid and consistent. Mine wasn't. Im still working on it but ive seen all kinds of gains since starting to do that
I take it one step further and literally now do everything left handed, brush my teeth, go to the toilet, throwing, picking items from the grocery store, EVERYTHING LEFT HANDED! It was a 12 month transition but has paid off, you can’t practice drums left hand lead but live the rest of your life right hand dominant. The brain and muscles need to be built u0, practicing drums left hand lead is just not enough.
Your left hand will never perfectly match your right. Even if you're completely ambidextrous, your left will be better at some things, the right others. It's a good thing to work on, but not something you want to spend a disproportionate amount of time on.
@jaygee8566 well I did say that lol whichever hand you use more is gonna always be better. Doesn't even matter what your actual strong hand is either. I'm left handed for example, yet I still have to work on it. But you should at least be consistent with both hands even if one is better. it's something easy to dismiss but it's obviously important I just use it as a warm up and don't spend a ton of time on it, but it's helped a lot
@@HugoStiglitz88 I'm also left handed :) Can lead with either hand. Can play traditional in either hand. I've put in a huge amount of effort on my "weak" hand. There are still a bunch of things my right does better than my left, and vice versa. Recently, my right became stronger at spangalang than my left, without me intending for that to happen. They swap positions like that sometimes. It's because drumset is such a dynamic and asymmetrical instrument. I'm sure it's much easier to make the hands equal if you're only playing snare, for example.
I’ve been having an extremely hard time feeling good about my playing lately, and this is the first thing in the last two months that has made me feel comfort in my playing and trajectory! Thank you!
the break beats you pull out are sick. lol 🔥🐐 i've been doin that bounce catch thing a lot since that episode. love it to bits. i have a rheumatic condition thats ruined my muscles (and my life ha haaa traumatic laughter). My left hand side is so poor it's funny BUT! That technique has helped So much. for real. lol🤘
BTW, the first guy that i ever heard do hand foot fills was Ansley Dunbar (everyone calls all this linear drumming stuff, the new buzz word for flow for the kit), in the first iteration of journey when they were basically a fusion band, no vocals. Look up their 1st few records before they had a lead singer. I saw Ansley do this in Zappa's band around 71 and again in Journey I think it was 74 or 75 before they were famous
This is good criteria for being a drum influencer. Skills needed on the drums depends on what kind of music you play. There are plenty of great drummers that play professionally without knowing all this showy stuff.
I’m not advanced by any stretch of the imagination and am probably one of the drummers he describes at start of the video whose happy to “Just” be solid and tasteful and musical enough for other musicians to want to and feel comfortable playing along with. However I was still able to take small bits and pieces and philosophical points on board to help change and hopefully improve my musical playing and choices
Being an advanced drummer is still the same as it was 50 years ago: Good time Good Pocket Learn songs quickly and know thousands of others... In terms of technique, I think that today drummers handle technique 1000 times better than 30 years ago, today the average Instagram instachopper would be the cover of Modern Drummer in 1996...but the essential thing does not change, being a musical drummer will always give you the ticket to success.
Kinda bummed that advanced tuplet rhythms or complex polyrhythms weren't on the list because I find that to be some of the most challenging things a drummer can do. Seeing a drummer who can play solid quintuplets, septuplets, ect. while also being able to casually pull out a 7 over 4 polyrhythm without flinching is next level to me.
As far as the perfect kick doubles situation, i think all of this is an out of growth of playing with machines. Drummers currently sound a lot more like machines, and a lot of it is on purpose to emulate different styles, but also i just think in general everyone to keep working has HAD to do it, its semi unfortunate but its also good to be able to do it. ;) you can hear the swank/slippery grooves are not around as much anymore. Very few bands have a Little Feet or older James brown type of roundness to their slot. Another one of my NSHO ;)
I'm not advanced at all, I'm actually quite poor at the drums, but, I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to ask me in the form of a question projected on a RUclips thumbnail. Love you!
I tend to think the staccato increase allows more open space to add more notes. All the stacks in particular these days are a great example of the staccato increase.
Funny even in the 70s Sixteenths were a must if you wanted to groove in a funk band. Zillion tune employed them back then, i guess its happening again. ;)
Maybe an advanced player, but not an advanced working drummer. My list includes 1) don't be an arrogant dick. Be modest, gracious humble 2) be able to create, read and understand charts 3) be able to listen and anticipate where the other musicians are going. Even when you've never heard or played the song before 4) be able to count-in a song 5) able to play using a click and backing tracks 6) ability to learn popular songs very quickly. Like here's 12 songs learn them by tonight, we sound check at 8pm.
I think what you explained for the hihat 16ths was not quite relevant because of the use of the shaft of the stick on the cymbal made it less of a push pull with the fingers and rebound; rather than wrist and arm finesse
Absolutely huge missed oportunity to mention Akira Jimbo for the 8ths with the hi-hat foot who literally is a beast during his early years with his Casiopea and his solo projects during the 90s
what about feeling the music or being creative is it all about mega technical stuff? where is the soul? I can enjoy some drummers that are very basic but play with the soul and you can really tell the difference no just mega fast annoying 16ths. there is something about style and feel that can't be described with words.
@@8020drummerYeah, don't take this as a critique of your video. I see it as a general feeling in any discipline, where it seems the goal is to make things very technical and forget about the essence-style, feel, or whatever you want to call it. There are simple things with a lot of soul, and there are complex and technical things with a lot of soul, too. My point is that anything without that soulful feel is lacking something really important.
You can drop all the technical shit in the world, and it doesn’t make it musical. Application in stylistic context and with band lockup-that’s the proving ground.
To me, what I’m seeing is the effects of social media. Everything is basically chops lol. The flashier the better, it seems. A lot of it telling, not much is showing.
I think the biggest problem is most aren’t learning each rudiment slowly and making up their own accent and grooves they’re learning exact sticking and it’s all becoming the same no dynamics when I was growing up let’s say I had a lesson in double stroke this was the lesson RRLL good luck today you can see the exact end result no experimentation in building your own
Awesome video! I know most of us have had discussions with other drummers comparing modern-day drummer past generation drumming. If one wants to embody the modern-day drummer this is the absolute video for it. Great examples and great playing
Well, I'm no Jahris Yokley or Thomas Pridgen, but by this metric, I'm advanced. Well, maybe 4½ fifths of an advanced drummer cuz my kick doubles aren't nearly as clean or controlled as I'd like them to be 😅 it would help if I didn't hate practice, but I barely have time for learning songs that make money and playing fill-in gigs on instruments I don't love as much as drums as it is, let alone enough time and energy to force myself to sit down and work my kick doubles and boomer fills into more modern fills. Maybe one day both I and all of my students will stop making excuses and just do the s**t that needs doing 🤔
@a.j.decamello There’s something that has to be said about integrating whatever you’re practicing/playing at your pace of development. Keeps you content, away from your ego, and growing. Your heart’s in the right place, Nate. Thanks.
I think Advanced is an incredibly high ceiling, talking some of the most impressive drummers on the planet. Unless we create a new category above Advanced, like Drum Gods or something haha
@@jebus571 that’s how I think of it. If advanced is like black belt in jiujitsu, there are thousands of black belts around the world, but only a few elite competitors
About fourty years ago I worked in a studio with practise rooms and played in a few bands but stepping the hi hat was considered bad form. lol I actually have to prevent myself from doing it so that's an easy win I guess. 😂 Since e drums now don't cost an arm and a leg I got one and am now looking around what's new and shtuff. 😏 Granny's tip: Find a drummer that plays snare in a Scottish bagpipe band and hang out.
@@8020drummer yeah idk it was meant as a teasing commentar, something a teacher would say to a student :) But yeah I agree, it's important to do both. I got super late to the party of doing anything with my left foot and it was very hard catching up. But there is also the danger of getting dependent on it if you never practice without.
I guess because i was into Fusion a long time ago, this all happened a zillion years ago. Another interesting factoid, everyone thought Copeland from the police was so original but really he was copying Cobham like the rest of us. Interesting factoid about Tony William too from my stand point i felt like him playing eighths on the hi hat was him copying Rock players, but everyone in the jazz world thought he invented it. Can't prove it but it seemed to me at the time that he copied Rockers. Lots of crossover back then.
One that was missed: Fast, tight, funky shuffles. (eg. Purdie/Rosanna). Can't call yourself advanced without that. One that is maybe not quite "needed" yet, but is moving in the direction where it likely will be within the next decade: The ability to "dribble" between the right foot and either hand (singles between hand and foot) Regarding straight eights on the hihat, I think that's a skill that's already drifting into intermediate, where advanced is moving in the direction of looking more like a Carlock-ian ability to put the left foot on auto-pilot and fill in little embellishments. Not there yet, but inside the next decade if the perception of advanced drums continues to move in a "gospel chops" direction, I can see some amount of ambidexterity becoming a "need"
Damnit. I hate shuffles 😂 And what did you mean with the left foot? Like people able to do hh splashes with the left foot alone in-between standard pedal closes? Cuz that's another thing I can't do Would be hard or impossible to learn too since I play on a electric kit now. The hh splashes just really don't work Frankly the hh is one of the weakest parts of electric kits
Congratulations on the new floor tom head.❤
I started playing in 64 and it's unreal what's expected of a drummer today to just be seen as competent compared to then. What's 20 years from now going to bring? Coming out of the womb with sticks in hand?
I know. I used to be advanced but now I'm barely intermediate. 🥁❤️🤣
Naw, man. I'm intermediate and I get tons of praise from band members and nonmuscians just being a solid drummer. Unless you're auditioning for Dream Theater or Animals as Leaders, literally nobody except other drummer nerds, so maybe like 1 dude in the entire audience at a gig, care if you can play polyrhythmic inverted paradiddle diddle ruffs between your hands and feet at 160BPM or whatever. They probably wouldn't even be able to appreciate what you're doing. Don't compare yourself to social media super stars and think that's the norm.
@@arsonne To properly respond to your comment with explanations would take a book. First, understand my comment was directed to drummers with aspirations of earning a living playing but it applies to everyone. There was a time when a drummer could earn a good living sticking to preferred genres but those days are gone. Hell, even bands today are pretty much gone and the vast majority of drummers are hired guns working to scale. The more versatile you are the more you work. If a drummer's abilities are limited to not much more than back beats they're not going to work much if at all. Also the quickest way to not get any calls is to tell a person calling you can do something you can't. People talk and word gets around fast. If you can't do it, say so. Trust goes a long way. You also have to accept that working to pay the bills has nothing to do with your preferred music genres. Playing is a job, it's work and this is just a small scratch on the surface of what that job requires of you. Absorb everything you can. Nate isn't creating these videos for you because he spent his time sitting on his ass. It's real work. For anyone interested in this my suggestion for you would be to pull Reed's syncopation back out and get some blank staff paper. Copy Reed on to the staff paper without bar lines and start practicing in every time signature you can imagine and expand to the kit from there remembering not everything is a back beat. Get comfortable with the uncomfortable. Be creative and if your playing stands out for complementing the music you will be noticed. You don't want to be a name buried somewhere in the Rolodex. All this works for the hobbyist too that wants to play progressing with better and better players. They make you better.
One thing ive been really working on is making sure my left hand technique perfectly matches my right. May sound obvious but its pretty easy for drummers to make it to an advanced stage without doing that. Theyll get their left competent but not where it should be.
Youll never get it 100% of the way there unless you start playing left hand lead all the time (not super practical but possible) but you gotta work on it, and it takes close observation and discipline.
I think its good to do exercises 3x for the left vs 1 for the right, always trying to make sure they match in every way (volume, angle, trajectory, stick height, grip, etc.)
And also your grip is an essential part of what i mean by "matching technique"
Maybe its because my sticks sit in my first fulcrum (a lot of people use second fulcrum) but playing by holding the stick only by my thumb and first fulcrum of my pointer finger helped probably the most out of anything since thats your pivot point
You'll never have stamina or be able to relax your hands if that pivot point is not rock solid and consistent. Mine wasn't. Im still working on it but ive seen all kinds of gains since starting to do that
I take it one step further and literally now do everything left handed, brush my teeth, go to the toilet, throwing, picking items from the grocery store, EVERYTHING LEFT HANDED! It was a 12 month transition but has paid off, you can’t practice drums left hand lead but live the rest of your life right hand dominant. The brain and muscles need to be built u0, practicing drums left hand lead is just not enough.
Your left hand will never perfectly match your right.
Even if you're completely ambidextrous, your left will be better at some things, the right others.
It's a good thing to work on, but not something you want to spend a disproportionate amount of time on.
@jaygee8566 well I did say that lol whichever hand you use more is gonna always be better. Doesn't even matter what your actual strong hand is either. I'm left handed for example, yet I still have to work on it.
But you should at least be consistent with both hands even if one is better. it's something easy to dismiss but it's obviously important
I just use it as a warm up and don't spend a ton of time on it, but it's helped a lot
@beetlejews you're joking right?
Because I'm left handed so I've already proven your theory wrong
@@HugoStiglitz88 I'm also left handed :)
Can lead with either hand. Can play traditional in either hand.
I've put in a huge amount of effort on my "weak" hand.
There are still a bunch of things my right does better than my left, and vice versa.
Recently, my right became stronger at spangalang than my left, without me intending for that to happen. They swap positions like that sometimes.
It's because drumset is such a dynamic and asymmetrical instrument. I'm sure it's much easier to make the hands equal if you're only playing snare, for example.
Love the one handed 16ths. Gadson the master OG there. Clyde, Pocaro, Nate Smith are my faves 🔥
I’ve been having an extremely hard time feeling good about my playing lately, and this is the first thing in the last two months that has made me feel comfort in my playing and trajectory!
Thank you!
the break beats you pull out are sick. lol 🔥🐐 i've been doin that bounce catch thing a lot since that episode. love it to bits. i have a rheumatic condition thats ruined my muscles (and my life ha haaa traumatic laughter). My left hand side is so poor it's funny BUT! That technique has helped So much. for real. lol🤘
16:47 Hear hear!!! Drums are ART ❤️ Find and play your personality 🎉🎉🎉
“And that’s how you get the gig!” 😁Awesome video!
my dude is like an encyclopedia of drum knowledge! when I find myself slouching, I just try to mimic Nate's posture- ✌️😎
BTW, the first guy that i ever heard do hand foot fills was Ansley Dunbar (everyone calls all this linear drumming stuff, the new buzz word for flow for the kit), in the first iteration of journey when they were basically a fusion band, no vocals. Look up their 1st few records before they had a lead singer. I saw Ansley do this in Zappa's band around 71 and again in Journey I think it was 74 or 75 before they were famous
been working on this stuff but its good to know so i can be more intentional with cleaning these up
This is good criteria for being a drum influencer. Skills needed on the drums depends on what kind of music you play. There are plenty of great drummers that play professionally without knowing all this showy stuff.
Great thoughts here. Love the lesson & idears
Thanks Nate ..70 year old drummer still playing trying to keep up . Great break downs and history.
I’m not advanced by any stretch of the imagination and am probably one of the drummers he describes at start of the video whose happy to “Just” be solid and tasteful and musical enough for other musicians to want to and feel comfortable playing along with.
However I was still able to take small bits and pieces and philosophical points on board to help change and hopefully improve my musical playing and choices
OOOHH MYSTERIOUS!
16th beats absolutely a cornerstone for advanced ness on the kit - I might add more comments later.
Great vid Nate 👌
Great video!
Being an advanced drummer is still the same as it was 50 years ago:
Good time
Good Pocket
Learn songs quickly and know thousands of others...
In terms of technique, I think that today drummers handle technique 1000 times better than 30 years ago, today the average Instagram instachopper would be the cover of Modern Drummer in 1996...but the essential thing does not change, being a musical drummer will always give you the ticket to success.
Nice lesson love those doubles thankyou 32nd singles?
Thanks for lesson! FRWL
Kinda bummed that advanced tuplet rhythms or complex polyrhythms weren't on the list because I find that to be some of the most challenging things a drummer can do.
Seeing a drummer who can play solid quintuplets, septuplets, ect. while also being able to casually pull out a 7 over 4 polyrhythm without flinching is next level to me.
As far as the perfect kick doubles situation, i think all of this is an out of growth of playing with machines. Drummers currently sound a lot more like machines, and a lot of it is on purpose to emulate different styles, but also i just think in general everyone to keep working has HAD to do it, its semi unfortunate but its also good to be able to do it. ;) you can hear the swank/slippery grooves are not around as much anymore. Very few bands have a Little Feet or older James brown type of roundness to their slot. Another one of my NSHO ;)
I'm not advanced at all, I'm actually quite poor at the drums, but, I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to ask me in the form of a question projected on a RUclips thumbnail. Love you!
I tend to think the staccato increase allows more open space to add more notes. All the stacks in particular these days are a great example of the staccato increase.
That’s a good title and thumbnail. I’m not even a drummer but am still curious enough to see if I’m advanced. Lol
Funny even in the 70s Sixteenths were a must if you wanted to groove in a funk band. Zillion tune employed them back then, i guess its happening again. ;)
Maybe an advanced player, but not an advanced working drummer.
My list includes
1) don't be an arrogant dick. Be modest, gracious humble
2) be able to create, read and understand charts
3) be able to listen and anticipate where the other musicians are going. Even when you've never heard or played the song before
4) be able to count-in a song
5) able to play using a click and backing tracks
6) ability to learn popular songs very quickly. Like here's 12 songs learn them by tonight, we sound check at 8pm.
I think what you explained for the hihat 16ths was not quite relevant because of the use of the shaft of the stick on the cymbal made it less of a push pull with the fingers and rebound; rather than wrist and arm finesse
@@brownsugargaming3639 link your instagram. Let’s see these killer one handed 16ths ;)
Absolutely huge missed oportunity to mention Akira Jimbo for the 8ths with the hi-hat foot who literally is a beast during his early years with his Casiopea and his solo projects during the 90s
Objective Feedback, your pocket, touch and dynamics are on point these days, sounds fantastic!!!!
what about feeling the music or being creative is it all about mega technical stuff? where is the soul? I can enjoy some drummers that are very basic but play with the soul and you can really tell the difference no just mega fast annoying 16ths. there is something about style and feel that can't be described with words.
@@onerider8285 don’t I give that verbatim disclaimer multiple times within the video?
@@8020drummerYeah, don't take this as a critique of your video. I see it as a general feeling in any discipline, where it seems the goal is to make things very technical and forget about the essence-style, feel, or whatever you want to call it. There are simple things with a lot of soul, and there are complex and technical things with a lot of soul, too. My point is that anything without that soulful feel is lacking something really important.
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”The Hi-Hat Strikes Back”, on a theatre near you. Premieres in 2025. 😀
not really new as far as fills, guys did 32nds between hi hat snare foot and toms basically everything
Thanks for the great video. Will definitely be working on developing these skills 👍 would have never thought of these honestly 🫡
You can drop all the technical shit in the world, and it doesn’t make it musical. Application in stylistic context and with band lockup-that’s the proving ground.
Yes. I thought I advanced 20 years ago but now I'm barely intermediate. I went backwards and everyone else passed me up.🥁❤️😅
Nice playing, Nate :)
I call myself advanced every time I learn something new bc I have advanced beyond my level of playing.
Good analogy
Hell yeah
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Great video! Concise yet thorough, that’s a tough balance to strike. And I love the historical context
To me, what I’m seeing is the effects of social media. Everything is basically chops lol. The flashier the better, it seems. A lot of it telling, not much is showing.
For metal drummers out there I think “Porno Creep” by Korn is a great song to work on single kick doubles
I think the biggest problem is most aren’t learning each rudiment slowly and making up their own accent and grooves they’re learning exact sticking and it’s all becoming the same no dynamics when I was growing up let’s say I had a lesson in double stroke this was the lesson RRLL good luck today you can see the exact end result no experimentation in building your own
Man, so many years of blood, sweat, and tears to get my damn left foot to finally obey.
Awesome video! I know most of us have had discussions with other drummers comparing modern-day drummer past generation drumming. If one wants to embody the modern-day drummer this is the absolute video for it. Great examples and great playing
Well, I'm no Jahris Yokley or Thomas Pridgen, but by this metric, I'm advanced. Well, maybe 4½ fifths of an advanced drummer cuz my kick doubles aren't nearly as clean or controlled as I'd like them to be 😅 it would help if I didn't hate practice, but I barely have time for learning songs that make money and playing fill-in gigs on instruments I don't love as much as drums as it is, let alone enough time and energy to force myself to sit down and work my kick doubles and boomer fills into more modern fills. Maybe one day both I and all of my students will stop making excuses and just do the s**t that needs doing 🤔
Advanced or working?
@@webstercat advanced. Which can be and often is orthogonal to “working”.
@a.j.decamello
There’s something that has to be said about integrating whatever you’re practicing/playing at your pace of development. Keeps you content, away from your ego, and growing. Your heart’s in the right place, Nate. Thanks.
I think Advanced is an incredibly high ceiling, talking some of the most impressive drummers on the planet. Unless we create a new category above Advanced, like Drum Gods or something haha
@@jebus571 that’s how I think of it. If advanced is like black belt in jiujitsu, there are thousands of black belts around the world, but only a few elite competitors
@@8020drummer For sure! Yeah the ceiling is so high now haha definitely so much to learn in one life time
This was pure joy and inspiration 🤘
To be advanced we must master th basics!!
About fourty years ago I worked in a studio with practise rooms and played in a few bands but stepping the hi hat was considered bad form. lol
I actually have to prevent myself from doing it so that's an easy win I guess. 😂
Since e drums now don't cost an arm and a leg I got one and am now looking around what's new and shtuff. 😏
Granny's tip: Find a drummer that plays snare in a Scottish bagpipe band and hang out.
where are your 8ths with hi hat foot during the modern fills? ;))
I practice everything both with the hats and without, as do my students
@@8020drummer yeah idk it was meant as a teasing commentar, something a teacher would say to a student :) But yeah I agree, it's important to do both. I got super late to the party of doing anything with my left foot and it was very hard catching up. But there is also the danger of getting dependent on it if you never practice without.
I think you nailed every point on this video
I guess because i was into Fusion a long time ago, this all happened a zillion years ago. Another interesting factoid, everyone thought Copeland from the police was so original but really he was copying Cobham like the rest of us. Interesting factoid about Tony William too from my stand point i felt like him playing eighths on the hi hat was him copying Rock players, but everyone in the jazz world thought he invented it. Can't prove it but it seemed to me at the time that he copied Rockers. Lots of crossover back then.
When you say "Don't Stop 'til You Get It Done" did you mean "Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" (The Michael Jackson song)?
A guy to look up that pretty much brought this to all over our attention (puch pull) back in the day was Chuck Brown who taught Garabaldi and Bozzio
8ths were around in the 70s too, Tony Williams, Garabaldi etc.
Handy for back beats too
One that was missed: Fast, tight, funky shuffles. (eg. Purdie/Rosanna). Can't call yourself advanced without that.
One that is maybe not quite "needed" yet, but is moving in the direction where it likely will be within the next decade: The ability to "dribble" between the right foot and either hand (singles between hand and foot)
Regarding straight eights on the hihat, I think that's a skill that's already drifting into intermediate, where advanced is moving in the direction of looking more like a Carlock-ian ability to put the left foot on auto-pilot and fill in little embellishments.
Not there yet, but inside the next decade if the perception of advanced drums continues to move in a "gospel chops" direction, I can see some amount of ambidexterity becoming a "need"
@@jaygee8566 didn’t I do that at the end?
@@8020drummer Which one?
Damnit. I hate shuffles 😂
And what did you mean with the left foot? Like people able to do hh splashes with the left foot alone in-between standard pedal closes? Cuz that's another thing I can't do
Would be hard or impossible to learn too since I play on a electric kit now. The hh splashes just really don't work
Frankly the hh is one of the weakest parts of electric kits
@@HugoStiglitz88 Watch what Keith Carlock does with his left foot.