What have they done to the Triton/L200? (The unholy alliance with Navara) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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The next Mitsubishi Triton (called the L200 in other markets) will look like a Triton, but it will be a Nissan Navara under the skin. The Navarafication of Triton is a disaster for Mitsubishi (and Triton aficionados - of which I am one) and in fact the Tritonification of Navara is a far superior concept with nothing but upside for Navara (not to mention Triton) - but never underestimate the gross stupidity of large organisations.
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Classic beancounter logic: Take a vehicle with terrible styling but good mechanicals and marry it to a vehicle with good styling but terrible mechanicals taking the worst of both, bump the price by 20% then wonder why sales tank. A rather strong aroma of MBA 'engineering'.
Exactly, don't understand why it is never the best of both (besides, I do like the Mitsubishi looking anyway).
MBA’s have a lot to answer for!
Remember the co-operation between Alfa Romeo & Nissan. Italian style & Japanese mechanicals. No, they did the opposite !
I do think looks wise the Navarra was worth a “Tinder style hookup”, whilst the Triton would be one you’d take home to meet mum 😉
But the ranger has good engineering, so your argument doesn't hold water. It's well designed for our country for most punters.
So now they will have a shinnyer one with better interior. And reliable drivetrain for Australia.
Many a vw engine from an amorak have had to be rebuilt due to the undersizing on the radiator and the gearbox not handling Australian demands.
They should have taken the Triton, engineered it a little more and then slapped a nissan bumper on it.
Super select 2 and the price are the major selling point. Triton is far more popular than the Navara is.
Maybe this is a dumb question (my speciality!) but given the Navara is unpopular and uninspired mechanically, why doesn't Ren/Nis/Mit just keep selling the Triton - with the price marked up, to improve the margins? No R&D needed, the tooling has all been paid for. Same for the Pajero.
@@oldcynic6964 I think you may want to consider that ren/nis both think
they make good stuff...or... mit, my dear , you are the one that gets dicked.
customer opinion dunna count here.
@@shoveI This is one on the selling points of the Amarok is the 60/40 split AWD and the awesome 8 speed auto.
it dont have a 100 lock for off road but the torsion diff is still very capable and as a tow rig you cant beat them.
@@javic1979 I thought the Amarok's biggest selling point is that it can fit a pallet between the rear wheel arches.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. one of the many selling points. 2011 it was the safest ute in australia you could buy.
6 speed manual
strongest chassis
2.8 ton towing
2012 when the 8 speed auto arrived 3 ton towing.
toyota only had the 4 speed auto that overheated while towing less than 2.5 ton
Jeez that's a shame. The 2.4 diesel with the 6 or 8 speed auto are a nice thing. Probably one of the best combinations mitsi has made.
I guess my current Triton is the last I will buy. That's very sad, I've had a few and love em😔
No Pajero.
No Triton.
No Express Van.
No Zero.
Is this the end of Mitsubishi's own in-house design?
It's over, gone the way of the holden/ford birds. The only thing that is keeping the other Japanese brands afloat is the pig-headed brand loyalty...and that is about to be tested by Isuzu.
No Lancer!
Hopefully pajero sport will be here a little longer, that will be their last good car left.
@@BenMitro ?
I see what you did there ;-) BANZAI!!!!
Would like to see Mitsa try and warrant Navs for 10 years. They’ll be broke in ton time!
Perhaps Nissan would gladly underwrite the 10 yr warranty,,,,, yeah rite, next joke!!!
All of a sudden the cheap utes from India and China aren't looking so bad.
If you're going to buy a cheap ute, your might as well not pay too much for it.
I'd much rather buy from India than China, because at least I wouldn't be supporting a genocidal dictatorship.
I’ve heard the Mahindra is pretty well regarded in South Africa. Dunno anyone here with one though.
Exactly and let's hope the Japanese get there house in order before its too late. I think Japan would be taking more note for the future they gotta wake up fast before gwm is all over the market.
@@Alan.livingston Mahindra forms part of the Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi alliance, if I’m not mistaken.
@@Alan.livingston I have a Mahindra tractor, the thing is bullet proof. a lot of john Deere's are made in India.
So Triton got to a point where it had a solid reliability with the engine and transmission and then go and run the Nissan gear
Slightly obsessed with your videos mate. Ordered a GSR Triton (due for delivery in October... I hope) and have just been watching all your stuff cause you explain everything in such a good way and no frills.
Keep up the great work
I am very sad they have decided to can the Pajero wagon. Even after 20yrs it still looks good. It is a nice car to drive for every day and it is ok offroad. In my opinion it is a very good 4x4 for people that don't do offroad often.
All the investment has been paid off. All they had to do is slap some modern electronics (lane keep assist adaptive cruise etc) a new engine if they have to and it would make a very compelling proposition with very little investment required. I have no idea what is going in the minds of the people running car companies.
That's it. Triton is now a Nissault Grenade. I can hear Isuzu cheering from my house.
I've had 2 Nissans. Never again.
I'm saddened by the end of Triton and Pajero. I'd never claim my Pajero is the best off-road vehicle, but it does what it does in a satisfactory way. The all wheel drive and traction control work very well in winter conditions, so much so that I always pray for deep snow and icy backroads.
One winter in deep snow at Mt. Selwyn the top carpark was empty and I spent an hour in and out of 4wd testing the Pajero capabilities.
In 2-3’ of fresh snow it was flawless.
@Samuel Jesse Jonah I’ve been working in the ski industry and driving in the snow since the 80’s.
@Samuel Jesse Jonah Compared with? Are you talking petrol? My diesel is fine - around 9-10l per hundred.
@Samuel Jesse Jonah dude, comparing a 1500kg far more aerodynamic car with a frontal area about half a Pajeros (2100 kg's ) on low rolling resistance 235 width tyres is always going to use way less fuel. Iirc, the Pajero only has 5 speeds in the tranny, the Mazda would have 6.
@Samuel Jesse Jonah . So you can get a tonne of gravel in the boot of your Mazda?
I love listening to john but i cant help thinking what it must have been like being his kid and getting help with homework
So the price will go up and the value will be way down then?
I guess they won't be selling many of them then.
Also functional going backward too.
@@krystal5887 Cheaper to just look at even better ones on the internet surely?
John your point about adaptive cruise control is so very valid.
I also bought a Triton of which we have conversed with by email re the fitted catch can it has.
My 2019 ZR Corolla has adaptive cruise control and whilst it takes some time to get use to it does have some good safety feature I feel that is not something you should ever rely on as there is NO excuse for being off with the fairies whilst at the wheel.
The fact it can and does slow you down and indeed stop the car does reduce the chances of an accident.
Also when it comes to risk management I would rather be behind someone on a road and resist the male urge to overtake.
Firstly it gives me a buffer and also it means I can observe the road conditions by what the car Infront is doing.
I recently did a trip to Lightning Ridge via Coonabarabran and followed a mate, all I had to do was steer the car and let it do the rest.
The only thing I don't like about adaptive cruise controller is if you are following a car and that is doing 90 and your car is set for 110 and you change lanes the stupid car takes off like a bat out of hell.
That super select II 4wd system is why I bought my triton! Lucky I just got another one 🥳
Seems they don’t keep making the good cars!?
With the GWM and LDV utes growing in sales and only the Mitsubishi Triton keeping buyers away from these brands, I see now that the Triton will be a Navara means that we no longer have a quality non overpriced ute at the frontline keeping sales away from LDV and GWM and I feel we will start to see a large increase of sales from these two brands.
I've owned a diesel 4x2 manual tray-top ute since 2016 and it would have to be, overall, the best vehicle I've ever owned. Well built, excellent value for money and I can't rave enough about the engine! What a shame all of this is going to be dumped in favour of a 3rd rate Nissan re-badge. Such a pity that Mitsubishi couldn't have climbed into bed with perhaps Hyundai or Kia and given either of them a vehicle that they don't currently have in their ranges and whilst shoring up production of the Triton. I'm sure that there are just way too many reasons that this couldn't happen but ..... bugger!
Mitsubishi was in bed with Hyundai, and effectively just handed them the keys to their market share. I think people forget Mitsubishi make everything from microwaves and aircons to nuclear power plants and aircraft engines. Cars aren't worth it, at $600 profit each.
Geez I've been saving for a GSR Triton for 12 months after extensive research, better get my finger out.
Never underestimate the incompetence and ignorance of high up management in car companies.
If you wanted any proof, look what Land Rover did with the Defender.
let's see how the sales go
@@jimmys6566 The sales of the new Defender are irrelevant because they are competing with their own products. The new Defender is basically a re-skinned Discovery, so Disco drivers will love it and buy it instead of a new Disco.
The old Defender sold in a completely different market without much competition. What will be interesting to see is how well the Grenadier sells in that market place.
@@harveysmith100 In the last 5 years of sales the old Defender averaged about 12,500 per year including a pre withdrawal rush, and the subsequent trickle off. The sales of the new model doubled in the first year even with a 50% higher per unit cost. It is likely that the business made the correct call, but in the event that they did not it will not take them long to reintroduce a "G-Wagen" type truck on chassis like the Ineos Grenadier that has still to be produced, or indeed simply buy a 50% share in the Grenadier Company.
The annual private sales of the old Defender were under 5,000 units a year and while it could not be sold in volume in the USA nor China due to it's old regulatory standards, the new Defender has been engineered to meet global car regulations, including the USA and China. In total, it is now be sold in 128 territories. Given all that it seems you are blinded by nostalgia as you drive your "unbeatable" Jensen Interceptor
“Slut out a few hastily adapted Tritons” Gold!
Thanks for all this content John
Love the way the media is cunningly clever. The headline says "will look different......" This hooks the reader to go through the entire article and at the very end get told "......however mechanically identical." This is why I don't waste my time listening to the media anymore. :D
your conflating media with advertising. Advertising has always been a liar's turd.
Never believe the media. The media is the virus
@@kenezos the media is only the delivery service. Go ahead , conflate the two, buts thats you being stubborn, lol.
@@andyfreeze4072 yes Andy yes. Strongly agree.
This is the media too.
@@kenezos couldn't agree more mate.
Too good John, love your episodes of auto expertise and humour. Like yourself I own 2021 triton, my 4th Mitsubishi over 40 years of driving. This being my 2nd 4x4, had a new L 200 back in 1986, yes way back then. Even then the drive train was one of the best going around. Mitsubishi nz sold shit loads of these utes because they were plain and simple value for money got the job done and we’re better looking than it’s competition. Really happy with my triton like I was with my L 200 back in 1986…….” So long “ Triton……. An probably the beginning of the end for Mitsubishi down under
You must’ve had loads of Sheila’s with brutal 4x4’s like that…yay💪
@@hectorshouse7348 Hmm… one or two….haha
Bought my Triton MR MY20 in April 2020 after watching John's L200 video. Paid $38K (SUCK ON THAT FORD, TOYOTA and ISUZU) in Queensland brand new off the show floor, diamond white....what a beaut!. Starting to pimp it now.
Thanks John.
No worries JJ. Best regards with the pimping...
Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the info
As a 2019 Pajero Sport owner it is sad that this model combo will be killed off.
Ohhhh look, here comes the Chinese car makers ...
Please John could you review the GWM Cannon and Haval H6?!
President Xi Jinping is eagerly awaiting your order!
@@rrigano3169 🤣
Every vehicle and house appliances have Chinese parts or Chinese own. Unless you ride a horse please continue
Hi John, love watching your videos. Can you do a 2021 update on your 'best Ute' video. Thanks
I love my 2015 Pajero Sport. Love it. The Pajero Sport has not missed a beat in six years of camping in the mountains and kids sport runs. Mitsubishi even contacted me this year and requested to buy it back, to onsell it to meet demand. With this news, I expect my next car will be a Toyota Fortuner.
Good report as always. I`d hate to see Mitsubishi go down hill. So glad that I bought my new Pajero Sport last month. Awesome car. And that adaptive cruise control, amazingly awesome as well.
I purchased a MR GLS triton at the beginning of 2021. I love it for what I use it for. Very disappointed they are giving up on triton already.
stand at the rear side of the Navara, grab the side and pull, watch it separate from the tailgate sideways. You should be easily able to pull the side panel about 30mm if you have the tailgate unlocked, and about 18mm with the tailgate closed. Try strapping something with the rachet tie downs and you can collapse the sides into each other easy as.
😯
No way! That is poor design, build or materials.
Love your BS.
Lol, no way.
Unless I am mistaken, Mercedes Benz tried a similar move with Merc badged Navara and it ended in tears
Just for your information the L200/TRITON and the NAVARA are sharing the same chassis-frame and the same cab since 2014 !
But now they are talking about powertrain!!
If a Nissan engine and transmission will be used on the Mitsubishi, I will not by a TRITON/L200 any more !!!
The 3 pronger X class rush to bail out was certainly undignified. That Nissan found 9777 Navara buyers is quite some achievement. Rear suspension segment of the vid most humorous.
Im really looking forward to you getting under the new Triton and really give an in depth review of the vehicle
Very good video john, well said.
Most enjoyable one so far!
im on my second mitsi and ive been very happy over the years. I was planning on buying another triton in 2022, but with this info that is in question. Ill get one if its a real mitsi, but im not getting some over priced navara with a mitsi logo thats for sure.
Got my MR Triton, can't believe this. It is brilliant and I love it.
Mine got written off and now I await a 2022, FMD :(
And then there's a few blokes like me, still driving around a 96 (or later) model triton. The things are so reliable if not slow, when compared to more modern designs. I don't need speed as I travel the -beaten- barely beaten tracks around the Tops.
Are you sure about this? Everything I’ve read about this situation is yes they will be a shared platform but the Navara will be based off the Triton not the other way around.
Nissan sold around 6000 utes last financial year Mitsubishi sold around 12,000.
It would make absolutely zero sense to use the platform of the lesser selling vehicle.
A new Navara based on the Mitsubishi would be great.
The Scania truck I was driving today is pretty good at carrying loads. It’s got a sort of multi link rear suspension arrangement …. Airbags not coils. Simple engineering solution there Cadoges
So we are well and truely back in the 80s badge engineering phase again.
It's gonna be interesting with all new Ranger/Amarok next year as well
This is why we can't have nice things.
Hi John, love your work as usual, not sure if you have already addressed this question below but I was wondering if in fact Mitsubishi are struggling financially and worst case they go under, is their 10 year warranty with the Triton Ute in jeopardy from being honoured should something go “poo poos” in its pants say 5 years down the road of my ownership / warranty period?
Great video John, I have a always liked the triton and the value proposition is a plus… this is such a shame, should have gone the other way and had triton underpinnings…
I've got an 03 Navara D22, it's the best thing I ever bought. I got it at 270000 and clocked up 100000km and it still runs like the day I bought it. It's done Cape York, and many more camping trips since then. I thought a TD42 Patrol was a better option, it didn't even survive one Cape York trip,, it destroyed a coolant hose against the aircon pulley and didn't show up on the temp gauge. Needless to say I've now got a bill that's more than what I bought the Navara for 🤔
Wasn’t the story doing the rounds 12 - 18 months ago and pumped to bursting point by the Mitsubishi’s Trevor Mann that the next Navara would be a simple reskin of the Triton? The opposite of this latest version? Or is it the opposite? Is it all more or less the same thing, just spun in different directions?
Decades to build the Triton name , 1 year to wipe it out , literally wipes out 1 of the two utes you'd buy for long term ownership , this will have the complete opposite effect of the BT and D max relationship.
Well, what do expect. It all started when we forgot the difference between a ute and a truck. Talk about dogs and cats living together.
Ha, scrolling back through your videos I was surprised by how much great content you are producing.
Anyway, it occurred to me that Mitsubishi should keep the current model on sale for a year or so in parallel with the new model, if they can, so they have a bet each way. They might also differentiate in the price brackets with the new model at the premium end and keep the GLX/plus in the old model for their budget buyers like me. I am sure there are still plenty of buyers out there that trust the reliability and value of the current model, but perhaps not willing to be an early adopter on the new one.
Fuck me I really hope its the other way around looks like I'll need to buy the new ute sooner than later. To be fair I'll buy a LDV before I touch a nissan in drag
I own a LDV T60. There actually beast for the money you pay. I keep up with my mates amarok and ranger offroad.
@@SharrodVisuals I sat in an E deliver 3 the other day, I was very impressed!
The Navara is a great ute for so many of us who don't carry a ton of cement around on a daily basis. Some of us cary a few hundred kgs of muddy outdoor gear, drive off road, don't dable as a weekend warrior builder and like the comfort of springs. I find the motor very reliable. If I were a builder again I favour a van as far superior option. I guess having a very thick cushioned seat was an option for the Mitsi
I was looking at the Navara as the coil springs make for a better behaving on-road vehicle, so your experience has been positive?
@@jimbojonesporfavor Yes.The coil sprigs really make for a comfortable ute. I have zero connections to any car company.
@@petesmith1 thanks Pete! I too have similar requirements to you - little 4wd driving, or the need to tow so it sounds a good option - as long as the Navara is reliable!
@@jimbojonesporfavor Since 2018 its been sound! I use mine for a small amount of 4wd and lots of road and a bit of farm access.
Back in 19, you can grab navara st with 48km selling as demo for $42,000 and crazy how the prize of ute now.. will be expecting to see new utes on the road squatting while carrying loads with this platform..
Also I was reading that the 1.5 litre turbo petrol engine in the Eclipse cross looks like being the last in-house developed engine by Mitsubishi
maybe not John, the last real info was that Triton would retain Super Select II transfer case and Navara would also adopt it, the main key here is engine, I agree that the Renault sourced twin turbo diesel (same size VGT) 2.3L with the 7-speed torque converter is not a good combo that said neither is Mitsubishi lag infested (under 2,500rpm) 2.4L turbo diesel and 6-speed torque converter, the manuals are different in that drivers can select what gear they want provided engine has enough torque to pull the gear ratio.
The other key here is that Navara will go back to leaf springs from all reports and stay with hydraulic (speed sent vie) steering (which is a positive) with a faster on-center ratio to improve response similar to the current Triton.
Personally neither will be anywhere near the Ranger or the (duck) Hilux and the Chinese can only compete on price and that can only take them so far.
I’ve had a 2017 navara since new and I reckon the 7 speed auto works beautifully with the 2.3L twin turbo engine. Drive a DMAX at work and the auto trans in that is woeful. Most probably buy them in manual though.
Dyno'd plenty of all the current crop of engines, the 2.4 achieves peak boost at about 1600rpm.
Its not laggy, they tune throttle response down (and have done for 10yrs) to improve off boost and low rev emissions results. Its stupid and annoying, but that's how they do it.
Super Select was one of the best things on Wet roads... And even more when towing
Triton the only ute you can drive in 4wd without ripping the drive train out of it. Loved that option when it was pi$$ing down rain, I drive a Narvara for work and hate not being able to select high 4 when it's raining especially through round abouts. Sold the triton and replaced it with a Q7.
Now I just let the quattro system take care of it.🤷♂️
As mentioned keep Triton phase out Navara and give the Patrol Super select both those vehicles win.
Now that's an idea.
Thanks for the great information about Triton, what a shame for Triton I have had 5 Mitsubishi utes. Seems like I will be keeping my MR Triton for a long time. I couldn’t bring myself to buy some French engineering. I mean fancy designing a large aeroplane without a control column , that design team must of been high on snails. RIP Triton
So it’ll still have a Mitsubishi logo as strong brand identity. Constant 4wd is the only way to go IMO, once you’ve drive one for a while you’ll know what I’m talking about, so much grip in slippery conditions.
Y62 patrol 7 speeds gearbox with Mitsubishi super select transfer case would be nice.
The 2022 Mazda BT50 is nibbling at my ear as I watch this, I prefer the outcome of the inter species breeding which took place there.
Hi John.
How would you describe a good 2011ich
Triton to buy? Congrats for the channel 👍
Well, this changes my plans! I was looking to upgrade my 2009 4x2 Triton GLR (yes, I'm one of the few in fourbytwoville here in Shitsville) with a new Triton in a year or two, now it looks like I'm gonna be hitting the second hand car market for my next newer Triton, possibly a 2021 as the gullible all raced out to buy the brand new 2022. Will have to pick up a used 2020 or 2021 before the second hand market of Shitsville is flooded with the salty tears of 2022 owners and they pour all their 2022 models into the second hand pile.
In the PHL, the next gen navara and terra will be on top of a mitsu platform. Maybe its the other way around? The np300 will be a rebadged triton.
I didn't see where they said which engines, suspension and transmission they will use. Is John being a bit premature?
Slippery When Wet
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Just did a 12 day trip in the Western US (sans Mobile Aluminum Poo Palace) and got a Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (Maybe called the Mitsubish ASX in your corner of the world)
The only good things to say about it was it held my and Red Devil Two's luggage. (Second Wife, Redhead!) Also, the AC was ice cold in the 117 degree F temps.
The downside is the 2.0/CVT struggled at elevations over 10k feet/3000m and it was cheaply put together. Of course, it was a rental, so you don't get the top of the range offering from Avis. But still, seems the only ones we saw were rentals as you could easily see the bar codes for easy check in/out at the rental booth.
Mitsubishi used to have a competitive line up. Seems here in 'Merica, not much on offer and none of it is class leading.
How much longer will Mitsubishi remain in the US/North American Market?
Renault twin turbo diesel engine sounds like the stuff of nightmares, considering they cant even get their Formula 1 engine right and that is with a $272 Million F1 budget...
Wow. ML Triton owner here from new in 2007, still going strong touch wood.
Thanks John for sad news. However, if they were smart they should maintain the Triton power train with the magic transfer case. That would be a solid sales argument against the opposition.
But.. maybe they are not that smart??
Love your videos. So in the Ute market - we had the Mercedefication of the Navarra. The Navarafication of the Triton. The Isuzuification of the BT-50, which had prior Fordification. The Argentinafication of Amarok. Is that right? It’s getting complicated for the Ute buyers. Are Ranger (price and service) and a Hilux (DPF) still big issues? Does your service help find late model used cars? Think I’d prefer the pre-Isuzified BT-50!
Amarok and Ranger a sharing a bed now, given that Mazda had a fall out with Ford and slid into the warmth of Isuzu. So D Max married a BT 50.
@@gregcain7010 just a shame about that Isuzu engine tech, or lack there of.
Maybe Mitsubishi could sell the Super-Select tech to Isuzu to include into the DMAX/MUX, then they might be worth some serious consideration.
Reminds me of the Mercedes X-Class experiment 😊 I actually did see two or three of these overpriced rebadged Navaras here on the roads in Germany
This would be the ideal time for Hyundia and Kia to launch their utes wouldnt it ?
Only in left hand drive
It'd be the ideal time for Hyundai to buy SsangYong.
@@matthays716 What a pity, cause I think if they entered the fray with right hand drive enen the king T might get a tad concerned
I have Triton and wanted another one. I think I am going to be terribly disappointed
Better grab one of the last ones then.
Order now, or forever hold your piece.
Mitsubishi have clearly been holding their piece.
Had my nav for 4 years I tow a boat go off road never have had any issue and pretty comfortable to drive.
If Ssangyong gets saved, as it appears it will, should make the Musso be the best option under $50k?
It depends on who saves it. If it's an established auto manufacturer like Hyundai, then yes. If it's some startup as reported in recent weeks, I'm not optimistic.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. I believe there are at least 9 consortiums interested. The leading one is US HAAH Auto. The US/Canadian market hasn’t really been tapped by Ssangyong and HAAH wants to introduce the brand into that market. The second best bid is from Westinghouse Electric who want to get into electric vehicle production, which is where Ssangyong is heading with their future designs. I think it’s looking good for Ssangyong.
Great video John!
I'm so dissapointed and outraged about this arranged marriage between Mitsy , nissan and renault .
I honeslty thought mitsy were gaining momentum.
I love the triton, it's a great utility.
I owned a pajero sport, 2 tritons and now have the final edition pajero!,what a shame the pajero is gone - one of the best dedicated 4wds ever built imo.
I now also own a ford ranger as my work vehicle and In all honesty miss my triton.
Anyhow we must wait and see what becomes.
From what I’m lead to believe, the next Triton will not simply be a rebodied current generation Navara. Mitsubishi Motors Corporation is supposedly responsible for the development of the alliances next generation ladder frame chassis that will sit under both the Triton first and later the next gen Navara.
There has also been confirmation Pajero Spot will see a successor roughly 1 year after the launch of the new Triton on the new platform.
Super Select is also not going anywhere.
Some of the guesswork in this video is not going to age well…..
We can only hope you’re right own this.
Yea well Cochoden isn't very good at seeing into the future.
@@BoleDaPole first spy photos have started doing the rounds this week. Current MR Triton body stretched & hiding a noticeably wider and longer new chassis underneath it. MMC in full swing developing this one. (Thank god)
I think you're spot on here. I have read much the same.
The cowboy guesswork definitely did not age well. Mitsubishi platform....tick. Mitsubishi 4N16 engine.... tick. Super Select... tick.
Love the honesty John! MALS
Is there a reason why you think they won't combine the best of both makes and end up with a better vehicle, would make a lot more sense than scrapping the strong points especially the running gear of the triton.
After deep thoughts. I remember Gough Whitlam, wanted one car one truck and one Locomotive.
To do multiple tasks.
So out comes a Suzuki called a Holden Drover, Holden Commodore called Lexans.
As you say John, sad. My son is still running a 2004 Magna AWD with the odometer somewhere north of 300,000 km. Brilliant car, the Australian public just didn't appreciate what a bargain it was compared to Holden and Ford.
Bean counters are presenting the Australian public with yet another vehicle turd. As Paul Keating says, you can't polish a turd. Never mind, Mitsu/Nissan/ Renault will probably lay on a few extra ming molls in the showrooms.
The magna was a turd compared to Asian variants. diamonte, legnum etc
@@avanap8096 The same car with a different badge, although you are spelling it differently. It's Diamante.
Turd cars don't go for over 300,000 km without missing a beat, try trolling somewhere else.
No one in Australia wanted a front wheel drive, big sedan. That’s why they tanked. That, and the Magna was a turd. As my friends used to say in our circle if one was looking for a new car and spied a Magna for sale ‘you do NOT want to catch Magna’
@@robertshepherd995
So what did your friends in your circle prefer? I had four Magnas as company cars, very happy with them. My biggest mistake was swapping one year to a Holden Omega, absolutely crap NVH, and the boot lid was designed to drop water on my golf clubs every time it rained.
@@barryandrew anything but a Magna.
Wow! Just like a Triton but with a Nissan/Renault engine and a Jatco transmission? Park it up next to my Lexcen!
Point at 13:30, Nissan do have a Navara spin-off wagon called the Terra.
That one word: INSANE! That says it all!
Just wanted to add that pathfinder that’s identical to navara d40 also has transfer case with 4h centre unlocked. Mitsi is not the only one
I like the current Navara. A few mates have them and they are great utes they have been very reliable and much more comfortable than my current model hilux and cheaper to boot. I would have bought one if toyota resale didn't make mote sense financially.
I've got one, and I can't fault it. But then, I'm just a bloke who uses one for driving and towing, rather than using it for click bait.
I own Triton 3.2 4m41 (2010) and Triton 2.4 (2021). A satisfied owner and user so far
I’ve have had a Triton on order since late March, no word from the dealer since the end of June on when it is likely to be delivered other than “the good news” is that I will now get a MY22 build at the same price. I hope like hell it will be the current spec and not the “Navaraised” Triton, as the Super Select 4WD was a major reason in my decision to purchase the Triton.
I have have had a Triton on order? So you have two on order?
@@devilsadvocate2548 “I have had a” is singular not plural and is indicating how long it has been on order.
@@michaelkelly8982 but you said 'I've have'. By saying 'I've have', you are saying 'I have have'. I was asking if 'have have' meant two on order, one for each have! ;-)
@@devilsadvocate2548 mate, you must be really bored to be so pedantic.
I have heard a similar thing will be happening with the Pajero/Pajero Sport and the Patrol. I really do believe Mits is shooting its self in the nuts by scrapping the Pajero, even replacing with the Pajero Sport has not been well received by the Pajero Fan Boys (Such as myself since owning one).
Well said.
What do you think will happen to Pajero Sport?
"Keep a strong brand identity" means they will have different badges. How good is that?
RIP Triton...
Question for John though - didnt Navara upgrade the rear springs to the point that they have more payload than the triton? Keen to hear your thoughts
Specs don't match up to real world performance. A coil sprung rear end will never perform as good as a leaf sprung vehicle unless you have air suspension.
I'm guessing Mitsubishi will be 'adjusting' their 10 year 160,000km warranty in NZ.
will it even be worth anything if they do?
@@andys31337 I doubt it. Especially given how reasonably priced Toyota hiluxs are in NZ.
Glad I got an MR Triton. RIP Mitsubishi
Why? Why? Why? A year ago I bought a Pajero Sport, because it's a bit like a Triton, but with a station wagon body fitted. I don't know about the Triton, but I really love my Pajero Sport! I concur with John, if you're thinking about buying a Triton, get one before it's Nissantified.