No way. Senna was from Sao Paulo city, the most larger em richer city in Brazil, were a larger number of the roads are fullfilled by nice ground asphalt.
@@jeanjfksf I live in the city this guy is speaking of, and allow me to say that this is bullshit. At best the streets in downtown are *mostly* ok, mostly. Go outside of it and the shitshow of pot holes, deformations and uneven surfaces starts. And in the 80s it was far worst.
@@pedinhu18 Pode não ser o melhor asfalto, mas tá longe de ser pista de rally. Airton Senna, garoto bem criado de classe média alta, provavelmente jamais guiou por uma quebrada da periferia, a associação que o comentarista está fazendo não existe.
@@jeanjfksf ahhahaha você claramente conhece SP muito mal. Ele era da Zona Norte, que é toda esburacada. Aliás, ele cresceu na Rua Pedro, que é esburacada até hoje. Senna deve ter perdido muita calota em buraco...
I would love to have seen Senna try his hand at rallying. It's one of the ultimate tests of hand-eye coordination, feeling for the car & conditions, reflex speed etc. He had all of this naturally I think he would've been a great rally driver.
It`s very nice to see him again & again. Testing a rally car is something very rare. Special thanks for those videos... Videos like this - IT`S NEVER ENOUGH.
I have the British Autosport or Autocar magazine with a write up of this day. Senna drove the rally driver's car and found it quite challenging. Then they swapped cars and within a few laps the rally driver was pulling nearly competitive times in Senna's Lotus!. Testimony to how trully great rally drivers really are.
I'm amazed at the fact that he never competed in a rally event or even drove a rally car before this & yet he jumps into these crazy rally cars & drives them so well! Man I wish I was alive before he died just to see for myself at how good he was. (technically I was but I was 8 months old on that tragic day)
In Senna's autobiography this day comes up. He actually lost the car in the first corner, came back and said he knew what he did wrong, can he have another go. By the end of the day, he was actually completing the stage in a faster time then what Colin had done in the previous rally there
Don't worry about Colin It's not uncommon in racing when someone with less ability drops a lap or two faster than you, it doesn't mean he is better, in order to prove that one must be faster than you everytime, in traffic and make better lap times dozens of laps in different tracks proving that his consistency is higher. Colin was ages ahead of senna in rally, that's for sure
Nao tinha mais adversários os circuitos eram pequenos foi correr em outra dimensão com os deuses da F1 saudades amigo muitas saudades a F1 ACABOU mas vc Senna será sempre o eterno CAMPEO dos campeões sempre!
@TruenoandLevin86 ´ Talent stays talent - he´d be a great rally driver !! Jim Clark drove one rally very, very fast. The really great drivers are able to drive everything fast !
@lelangeani appropriate comment. to have content like this at your fingertips is quite an evolutinoary achievement. great footage, humble, sympathetic bloke..
its normally said that an f1 driver is not good at rally. But Senna had a naturall control of every car in every situation. Plus the turbos f1 were loosing a lot of traction that days like a rally car.
Not necessarily. Even if Senna was a superb car handler (arguably the best), rally is very different from F1. He might have had a better chance on pure tarmac (like in TC, which there actually is a video of somewhere here.. he races a Mercedes) but gravel is very very different. I'm not saying he would suck, but very likely he wouldn't stand much of a chance against the top Rally drivers of the time like Stig Blomqvist e t c. The same goes the other way of course.
azynkron I believe if you have talent in car control, you can do any sort of driving if you dedicate yourself to it. Senna was really no good at wet driving when he first started in go kart, he trained himself became one if not the best in rain driving.
@RFreigeldorff man.. unfortunately, i already closed this page a few days ago, but I believe it was in motorsport's site. Anyway, this reporter wrote all about the day senna drove a bunch of rally cars in 1986! How he got there, not too excited, then, how he felt it was a challenge and, after a few laps, was already going fast. One of the professional drivers said that he (Senna), within a week, would be able to compete. Then, Senna even said that rally is more exciting than F1(..
@TheEngland72 The RS 1700T was developed for Group B but I don't think it ever rallied, therefore I'm not sure you can say it is a true "Group B" car. (b.t.w. I think it's a Gartrac Genesis G3 (Mk3 Esc with Mk2 running gear), it certainly doesn't sound like a turbo engine (i.e. RS1700t))
@TruenoandLevin86 WONDER!!!???!! He would own like every other motor sport variant he has ever undertaken. THIS IS SENNA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MY FRIEND!!!!!!
I think I still have some copies tucked away up in my loft, (along with Fast Ford, Street Machine, Performance Car, Fast Lane, Autosport and Motoring / Motorsport News).
What's interesting with rally and Senna, you've got the car handling, the time attack concept and co pilot notes. For the first 2 parts, Senna prowess makes difference but The last part is the most important cuz' no notes, no scratches (best time) So, we can debate about which one to seat next to Ayrton and that's all.
@mofomcslimjim I think you're right - Definately a Gartrac G3, it sounds like a V6 though and not a BDA or equivalent, probably it was one of Richard Iliffe's creations.
Brilliant video, great to see Ayrton all modest in this environment of the foggy wet conditions of the welsh mountains, I read about this day but I never knew it was on video. Does anyone know who invited him to this test? I know Phil Collins was involved and I think it was his cosworth in the video.
I think Russell Bulgin, former editor of Cars and Car Conversions magazine organised it - he was friendly with Senna when Senna was still racing in the junior formulas. Senna never informed Lotus that he was doing this test, either....
Since 1986, there have actually been more deaths in rally than in F1: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Championship_accidents en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_fatalities
He was very fast, take his number of pols for example they speak for his speed.Schummi has most pols now, if Im not mistaken but he race many races more to break the Senna record. In begin F1 carrier he was brilliant in bad cars. He hocked with his driving in his first Monaco race than Spa. Still has the record, if im correct, in most won Monaco GP. He had very consistent fast laps. Also his unique personality as a human makes him very popular
Well we could argue about it whole lives, its like those comments on yt who is best singer. Schummi was brilliant worker for me that's clear, took enormous amounts of time in his work and that gave results but it almost didn't. The thing about schummi is that he was know to make any car 1 second faster. Even when he tested that minardi, you know when Paul had those twinssittes. Senna had Karma Fangio had it too that's why people love them. Take it easy or go race yourself ;)
1986 ... B group time... could Senna be faster than Kankkunen, Biasion, Salonen, Blonqvist, Vatanen, Mikkola, etc ... I do not know ... But surely in the tarmac rally`s, he'd give a lot of work for everyone!!!!
@dan2007rs Exatamente. E eu fico puto de ver como ainda tem gente que não percebe essas diferenças. Essa F1 de hoje é muito mais carro e etc do que piloto. O tempo ainda vai fazer justiça (espero).
@RFreigeldorff but he could never drive rally professionally, because it's too much risk. Very, very cool stuff! And, you see... as you said, two clicks and bam there it is! this is from 86 and i had never seen this before! awesome! cheers mate
Pior é ver hoje essa formula 1 chata, onde constroem "ídolos" que não tem mais do que 20% de participação na superioridade do carro, já que a aerodinamica, os kers e asas da vida, e (pasmem) os pneus, tem mais importância do que a habilidade do piloto! Desculpem quem admira Schumacher e Vettel, mas nos carros que o Senna pilotou, e fazia miséria, eles não fariam nem metade. Lembrem-se, quando Senna morreu, conduzia à frente de Schumacher, com um carro pior. E havia feito as três poles.
Alright then, go to a school where teachers will explain to you why Ayrton Senna was "God among drivers" as you said. Even in school you should be able to understand what teachers say ... after a point there is no possibility to explain. Plus, if you would like to know, why he is one of the best and for many #1, then you should probably do a research, Google does miracles today ... Not that we couldn't explain to you, but I guess you won't believe people who like Senna anyway ...
Don't know how safe Rally Cars back then i.e rollcage and whatnot but Senna certainly would have a safer career in rally cars had he quit F1 before that tragic Sunday May 1st 1994.
Look, youtube is not the place for a discussion. Posts are limited and is a pain to write a lot. Simple search in Google will pop up many answers to your questions. Senna being one of the best is not a subject, it is a fact, recognized by people, who do researches, statistics and all the stuff needed to compare drivers. It is not my idea that I try to sell to you. YOU said, you do not understand, it was not my idea again too. And the "others" saying he is #1 are top drivers of F1, not just some1
Senna should be well versed in these conditions given the majority of the roads in Brasil are the quality of a typical rally circuit.
No way. Senna was from Sao Paulo city, the most larger em richer city in Brazil, were a larger number of the roads are fullfilled by nice ground asphalt.
@@jeanjfksf I live in the city this guy is speaking of, and allow me to say that this is bullshit.
At best the streets in downtown are *mostly* ok, mostly.
Go outside of it and the shitshow of pot holes, deformations and uneven surfaces starts.
And in the 80s it was far worst.
@@pedinhu18 Pode não ser o melhor asfalto, mas tá longe de ser pista de rally. Airton Senna, garoto bem criado de classe média alta, provavelmente jamais guiou por uma quebrada da periferia, a associação que o comentarista está fazendo não existe.
@@jeanjfksf ahhahaha você claramente conhece SP muito mal. Ele era da Zona Norte, que é toda esburacada. Aliás, ele cresceu na Rua Pedro, que é esburacada até hoje. Senna deve ter perdido muita calota em buraco...
LOL
Could you imagine if this man would’ve competed in Group B
Mmh . I think Senna against Röhrl would have been quite a Show.
I would love to have seen Senna try his hand at rallying. It's one of the ultimate tests of hand-eye coordination, feeling for the car & conditions, reflex speed etc.
He had all of this naturally I think he would've been a great rally driver.
Priceless footage. Thanks.
It`s very nice to see him again & again.
Testing a rally car is something very rare.
Special thanks for those videos...
Videos like this - IT`S NEVER ENOUGH.
Like Mauricio Gugelmin once said: "If we were racing double decker buses, he would still win".
"can be just the cars the real winners?"
I have the British Autosport or Autocar magazine with a write up of this day. Senna drove the rally driver's car and found it quite challenging. Then they swapped cars and within a few laps the rally driver was pulling nearly competitive times in Senna's Lotus!. Testimony to how trully great rally drivers really are.
Cars and Car Conversions magazine published the article originally.
I'm amazed at the fact that he never competed in a rally event or even drove a rally car before this & yet he jumps into these crazy rally cars & drives them so well! Man I wish I was alive before he died just to see for myself at how good he was. (technically I was but I was 8 months old on that tragic day)
He was batshit crazy.
Not to be admired.
@@sugarnads sometimes that's a requirement for greatness
He was, but he was the fastest man on a circuit, ever. Maybe cause he was bat shit crazy.
The man from another dimension .we were privileged to witness the impossible made possible .
80s were the best era of racing. Plus, the race cars back then were also less complicated.
This, F1 was interesting because of how raw the cars were.
.....and music.
Just as he gets into the 6r4 the footage ends. Damn! That was the one we all wanted to see him drive. At least we see him reversing it.
The Engine Sound is absolutly Fantastic!!!
In Senna's autobiography this day comes up. He actually lost the car in the first corner, came back and said he knew what he did wrong, can he have another go. By the end of the day, he was actually completing the stage in a faster time then what Colin had done in the previous rally there
+Sean Bad colin only started rallying in 86 with the sunbeam
Saying senna was better than colin in rally is stupid.
Don't worry about Colin
It's not uncommon in racing when someone with less ability drops a lap or two faster than you, it doesn't mean he is better, in order to prove that one must be faster than you everytime, in traffic and make better lap times dozens of laps in different tracks proving that his consistency is higher. Colin was ages ahead of senna in rally, that's for sure
Another bullshit from deluded Senna fan.
the name of that rally stage? It was none other than Albert Einstein...
Nao tinha mais adversários os circuitos eram pequenos foi correr em outra dimensão com os deuses da F1 saudades amigo muitas saudades a F1 ACABOU mas vc Senna será sempre o eterno CAMPEO dos campeões sempre!
I too this vid for senna!!! ... Yeah I wish lol
Senna in rally, that would have been something once he retired from F1 :D
RIP ayrton!!!!!!!!!! :(
Simplesmente "A lenda "
o melhor de todos os tempos!!!
eu sempre te amarei,,... onde estiver estarrei!!!
forao covardes com o melhor
I am happy to see these images!!!!
Ayrton----- the one and only!!!!
Thank You!
@TruenoandLevin86 ´
Talent stays talent - he´d be a great rally driver !!
Jim Clark drove one rally very, very fast. The really great drivers are able to drive everything fast !
I love Senna's nickname "Harry" due to the fact that his mechanics couldn't promote his name.
So nice
The best for ever...
Wheres the video of Ayrton driving?
@lelangeani
appropriate comment.
to have content like this at your fingertips is quite an evolutinoary achievement.
great footage, humble, sympathetic bloke..
Magnifique reportage merci pour ces image mon idole et mon sport mecanic prèfèrè c est la premiere fois je vois cette video a 40 ans merci
This is brilliant!
Makes you wonder how Senna would be like in the WRC.
R.I.P Ayrton Senna
o youtube me proporciona cenas fantásticas do Ayrton,cenes simples como essas,nós Brasileiros deveremos nos orgulhar muito desse cara.
O Senna era quase italiano.
its normally said that an f1 driver is not good at rally. But Senna had a naturall control of every car in every situation. Plus the turbos f1 were loosing a lot of traction that days like a rally car.
the fact your trying to sell this on ebay is unbelievable... but thank you :)
wow!! didnt know this!! brilliant brilliant brilliant!! thanx for sharing!
This is a rare jem. Thank you:
COOL!! Ayrton Senna and Group B MG Metro!! :D :D
Holy shit, Senna driving a 6R4....thats just mental, wish i could seen the results though.
orgulho de ser brasileiro!!!
here we see 2 rare things, Ayrton Senna driving Rally cars and the escort Gr.B that never made it to Gr.B
He was the only one pilot, able and clever on both F1 and rally.
Senna a legend
he would have been pretty good as a rally driver too :) i bet he would fit to group b times
Not necessarily. Even if Senna was a superb car handler (arguably the best), rally is very different from F1. He might have had a better chance on pure tarmac (like in TC, which there actually is a video of somewhere here.. he races a Mercedes) but gravel is very very different. I'm not saying he would suck, but very likely he wouldn't stand much of a chance against the top Rally drivers of the time like Stig Blomqvist e t c. The same goes the other way of course.
azynkron Senna would be good at start then he would be learning realy fast like at wet in F1. At the end he would be great. But that is just opinion.
azynkron I believe if you have talent in car control, you can do any sort of driving if you dedicate yourself to it. Senna was really no good at wet driving when he first started in go kart, he trained himself became one if not the best in rain driving.
^^???? It's not all that technical... I'm sure he would of been able to drive or ride any motor vehicle.
GRANDE AYRTON!! We miss you!
He seems so young there, and it's sad to think only 8 years later he was gone.
Legend.
Genius
he was a legend in F1 but if he took up rallying he would have been a god !
@RFreigeldorff man.. unfortunately, i already closed this page a few days ago, but I believe it was in motorsport's site. Anyway, this reporter wrote all about the day senna drove a bunch of rally cars in 1986! How he got there, not too excited, then, how he felt it was a challenge and, after a few laps, was already going fast. One of the professional drivers said that he (Senna), within a week, would be able to compete. Then, Senna even said that rally is more exciting than F1(..
A legend. Though I am pretty sure my boring Cayenne would drive a circle around that Sierra nowadays. Amazing how flimsy the cars were.
SUPERSTAR in the making.
when F1 gets boring... you can always step into a rally car
Ayyyyyyyyrton!!!
@TruenoandLevin86 That, and it makes you wonder what Loeb would be like in F1. He did pretty well in testing.
@TheEngland72 The RS 1700T was developed for Group B but I don't think it ever rallied, therefore I'm not sure you can say it is a true "Group B" car.
(b.t.w. I think it's a Gartrac Genesis G3 (Mk3 Esc with Mk2 running gear), it certainly doesn't sound like a turbo engine (i.e. RS1700t))
@TruenoandLevin86 WONDER!!!???!! He would own like every other motor sport variant he has ever undertaken. THIS IS SENNA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MY FRIEND!!!!!!
Cars and Cars Conversions! missed that magz!
I think I still have some copies tucked away up in my loft, (along with Fast Ford, Street Machine, Performance Car, Fast Lane, Autosport and Motoring / Motorsport News).
Pictures very rare, it is very well and pleases to find it young, also in fact a few "Rallies "...
Thank you
What's interesting with rally and Senna, you've got the car handling, the time attack concept and co pilot notes. For the first 2 parts, Senna prowess makes difference but The last part is the most important cuz' no notes, no scratches (best time)
So, we can debate about which one to seat next to Ayrton and that's all.
@mofomcslimjim I think you're right - Definately a Gartrac G3, it sounds like a V6 though and not a BDA or equivalent, probably it was one of Richard Iliffe's creations.
Back in his Lotus days.
Brilliant video, great to see Ayrton all modest in this environment of the foggy wet conditions of the welsh mountains, I read about this day but I never knew it was on video. Does anyone know who invited him to this test? I know Phil Collins was involved and I think it was his cosworth in the video.
I think Russell Bulgin, former editor of Cars and Car Conversions magazine organised it - he was friendly with Senna when Senna was still racing in the junior formulas. Senna never informed Lotus that he was doing this test, either....
My dad is in this video! I will ask him :)
Maybe if he went for rally instead of f1 we would still have him around today, I still think rally cars are the safest race cars.
Since 1986, there have actually been more deaths in rally than in F1: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_World_Rally_Championship_accidents en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_fatalities
He was very fast, take his number of pols for example they speak for his speed.Schummi has most pols now, if Im not mistaken but he race many races more to break the Senna record. In begin F1 carrier he was brilliant in bad cars. He hocked with his driving in his first Monaco race than Spa. Still has the record, if im correct, in most won Monaco GP. He had very consistent fast laps. Also his unique personality as a human makes him very popular
Metro 6R4, developed by the Williams team
Yep 😃
And a RS1700T, a really rare beast.
thnx for this rare video.
He was unbelievably great, but for the same reasons people disgrace Schumacher they love Senna.
Ford Senna
Was there anything Senna couldn't drive as naturally as it it were part of himself? Fork-lift truck? Steamroller? Anything?!
Well we could argue about it whole lives, its like those comments on yt who is best singer. Schummi was brilliant worker for me that's clear, took enormous amounts of time in his work and that gave results but it almost didn't. The thing about schummi is that he was know to make any car 1 second faster. Even when he tested that minardi, you know when Paul had those twinssittes. Senna had Karma Fangio had it too that's why people love them. Take it easy or go race yourself ;)
1986 ... B group time... could Senna be faster than Kankkunen, Biasion, Salonen, Blonqvist, Vatanen, Mikkola, etc ... I do not know ... But surely in the tarmac rally`s, he'd give a lot of work for everyone!!!!
@mot235 Yes indeed, The GAA V6 was a monster of an engine, do you remember Dennis Procter's one in rallycross!!
this is very interesting given that around this time period was the end of groups c
Hi 01ejones, I've had a look on ebay but cant find where you have this vid for sale, any clues? cheers
But this is not the musician Phil Collins but the british rally driver PC.
@TruenoandLevin86 Shit hot. He was already up to scratch on his second go !!
@dan2007rs
Exatamente. E eu fico puto de ver como ainda tem gente que não percebe essas diferenças. Essa F1 de hoje é muito mais carro e etc do que piloto. O tempo ainda vai fazer justiça (espero).
It's Alan Edwards' Mk3 home built 4wd escort with a cosworth ga 24 valve v6, probably 400bhp !
The 4wd system wasn't very high tech !
@RFreigeldorff but he could never drive rally professionally, because it's too much risk. Very, very cool stuff!
And, you see... as you said, two clicks and bam there it is! this is from 86 and i had never seen this before! awesome!
cheers mate
@TruenoandLevin86 Or in the Group B... In Lancia Stratos or Audi Quattro : )
@lucianoestivill Yes, a Group B "Monster" the MG Metro 6R4.
something tells me this guy would be good
The metro is such and underrated car tho. Senna drove it, even colin mcrae drove it. How cool is that??
@japda9 Group B I assume you mean? None of those cars apart from the 6R4 were group B cars.
The bloke behind the camera sounds like ben dover. Lol
Senna knew nothing about rallying, he himself said rallying is completely different approach.
You could put that guy in the back of a horse and ask him to win a horse race and he'd still be champion.
Pior é ver hoje essa formula 1 chata, onde constroem "ídolos" que não tem mais do que 20% de participação na superioridade do carro, já que a aerodinamica, os kers e asas da vida, e (pasmem) os pneus, tem mais importância do que a habilidade do piloto!
Desculpem quem admira Schumacher e Vettel, mas nos carros que o Senna pilotou, e fazia miséria, eles não fariam nem metade.
Lembrem-se, quando Senna morreu, conduzia à frente de Schumacher, com um carro pior. E havia feito as três poles.
Is this a Group B car?
Yes, but a lower end Group B car
I’ve never seen a RS1700T in action before.
Senna should have done more sportscars/touring/the odd rally race. With a car who fit him he could won Le Mans
Alright then, go to a school where teachers will explain to you why Ayrton Senna was "God among drivers" as you said. Even in school you should be able to understand what teachers say ... after a point there is no possibility to explain. Plus, if you would like to know, why he is one of the best and for many #1, then you should probably do a research, Google does miracles today ... Not that we couldn't explain to you, but I guess you won't believe people who like Senna anyway ...
At 2:00, is that the RS1700T he's driving?
@TruenoandLevin86 If it had wheels and an engine Senna could kick ass in it.
does anyone know his performance . time he made and is he good at rally .
i think They got a really large road. Today looks a superspeed way xD
@japda9 Wow Man, I would have loved to see a Porche 356 going through the forestry at 225 mph with Derek Bell at the wheel.....
Don't know how safe Rally Cars back then i.e rollcage and whatnot but Senna certainly would have a safer career in rally cars had he quit F1 before that tragic Sunday May 1st 1994.
Can we see it now? He's dead...so...for me he was the best, but there are a lot of good drivers in this planet. Thank God!
Look, youtube is not the place for a discussion. Posts are limited and is a pain to write a lot. Simple search in Google will pop up many answers to your questions. Senna being one of the best is not a subject, it is a fact, recognized by people, who do researches, statistics and all the stuff needed to compare drivers. It is not my idea that I try to sell to you. YOU said, you do not understand, it was not my idea again too. And the "others" saying he is #1 are top drivers of F1, not just some1
he looks very nervous there!!!
@rasvial Kubica is set to return mate. his career is not over yet
N°1
Ford Sierra?