The TNG-era Uniform Paradigm - Star Trek Costume Guide
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In universe I surmised that Starfleet had been at peace for a while so they became less formal. The movie era uniform were when they were facing both klingon and Romul threats.
Each uniform era does seem to put out its own vibe, which is (usually) directly related to the corresponding phase/era of Starfleet.
Absolutely. This is also evident in the design of the galaxy class starship. Once the Borg and Dominion become threatening, we see the turn back towards militarism in uniforms and ship designs.
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Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)
In the past I looked into why Generations had half the crew in DS9 uniforms and half not, and it's a funny story. They designed a whole set of new uniforms, began filming, then a couple of weeks into the shoot the producers said, "gee, we're worried there's going to be too many unfamiliar elements in this movie that might put audiences off, can we go back to the old uniforms?" But then they didn't have enough TNG uniforms to meet the demands of a movie's casting and scheduling. And they couldn't afford to spend the money on making ANOTHER set of brand new costumes, so they had to borrow costumes from DS9. But there weren't enough DS9 costumes going spare either, so they had to mix and match, even with the same actor (so Frakes is left wearing Avery Brooks' costumes for some scenes, even though the sleeves aren't long enough for his sasquatch-esque frame).
All to avoid having too many 'new elements' in the movie where the TNG crew, on the TNG ship, team up with Captain Kirk, to beat the Duras sisters and an El-Aurian, Data's finally using the emotion chip, Picard's deeply disturbed by a tragedy with Robert and the vineyard, etc. The change was even so late into the production that the toys for the movie have the TNG cast wearing those scrapped costumes. It's such a great microcosm of how fucking incompetent Paramount were with late-90s Trek; pointless decisions implemented for stupid reasons in the most self-destructive ways possible.
They also thought it was hard to make and maintain the flap on the new versions, which was the obvious path toward what the future uniforms were going to be, which would have been an unimportant point but goes a long way in understanding natural progression of design.
@@bandai1983 In fairness I've seen the uniforms for Generations, they're godawful and I'm glad they were ditched.
Glad you mentioned that Justman memo about the insignia, it's surprising that the "each ship had its own badge" notion is still doing the rounds at all!
It was somewhat messy and I can easily see why others might still be under that impression, but I'm doing my own little part to hopefully clear everything up. :)
I think it's partly because the show ended up believing it too! In ENT's "A Mirror Darkly" we see another vessel from the TOS era whose crew wears their own unique insignia. It's messy!
@@ChateauLonLon that's the Mandela effect for you, even the showrunners are not immune!
The one thing many people seem to overlook when it comes to the miniskirts of the 60s, is that it wasn't forced on anyone female cast members. It had more to do with the fashion at the time that women preferred to wear short skirts and that carried over in to Star Trek with the fictional characters in-universe thinking it looked damn fine on them. People seem to think that women in the 60s had a gun held to their head and told to wear miniskirts, but it was simply the fashion and preference of the time, in the same way that flares and dungarees were popular in the 70s.
I wasn't alive in the 60s and history is probably my weakest subject, but I have heard this from several other people as well. I think it's interesting how cultural perceptions change over time.
"Indicating Star Fleet had made massive improvements in engineering crew safety" - makes sense! It's not like the Enterprise's warp core containment was constantly failing or anything, after all.
Ha! Hopefully no Starfleet engineers were planning on having children one day, unless they wanted mutants. ;)
I actually like the skants or at least the idea of them. Gender-neutral / fluid uniform choices? Dress the way you see yourself? It sounds like something someone would come up with today. But of course just having one uniform for all makes more sense.
I agree. I like it being a random option that we saw in the background a few times. Seems like something that would be allowed on a flag ship or a science vessel but would be phased out when the federation was at war with the Dominion. When everyone changed to a darker colored jump suit seen in the later seasons of DS9.
As someone who's never served in the military, to me standard uniforms across the board seem great for equality, but at the price of self-expression.
Then again, a military organization has different functions and priorities than civilians, and what they do, they need to be able to do well, quickly, and efficiently.
@@videovoidtv I agree that the skants only really seem appropriate during peacetime and exploration. Seeing Starfleet crew wearing skants during the Dominion war would've deflated a lot of the dramatic tension. Sisko & co. had tough enough jobs without being the laughingstock of the Klingons, Jem'Hadar, Cardassians, etc.
How is the skant more gender neutral than the season 3 uniforms?
I mean, by definition, a dress code that is "uniform" across all genders would be as neutral as it gets.
But also, divesting clothing of gender expectations could conceivably be for comfort and/or other practical considerations.
I know that in his original ideas for the Earth utopia of the future, Roddenberry imagined that public nudity would not be a big deal... But more like at parks and the beach as in many European countries rather than at work or getting your groceries. His concept unsurprisingly didn't get much (ahem) "exposure" on the show, but is somewhat reflected in that perpetual dress is considered weird and claustrophobic on Batazed. And (appropriately misogynistically) clothed females are considered anathema in Ferengi culture.
you have absolutely no idea how helpful this is for an artist! a hundred times thank you
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for watching. :)
really nice and one of the best analyses of the costuming incorporating both tv and movie eras, thank you!
am hoping DS9 gets a total restoration one day, it's the one series that went all out on costuming where the original 35mm film really captures it all.
Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :)
I, too, would LOVE to see a proper remaster of DS9. From what precious little we saw in "What We Left Behind," the everything about the show looked absolutely phenomenal.
I've develope a soft spot for early TNG uniform over the years, I even thinking of getting my own one.
Theiss: YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED!!!? 🤣🤣🤣
You only have like 200 something subs? That's almost criminal! These are really good!
The holy RUclips algorithm has been sending more subscribers my way lately, and I'm glad to see more people enjoying them. Thanks for watching! :)
This is very thorough. Some of these things I either just accepted or subconsciously thought about, but it's great to see it explored.
I'm glad you have some new food for thought. Thanks for watching! :)
it was the female actors on TOS in the 60s that supposedly advocated for the miniskirt uniforms. It was the 60s women's revolution so funny that people look back on it now and call it sexist.
I have heard similar things since making this video as well. It is interesting how changing cultural values also change our perception of history.
Fantastic piece of work. Deeply appreciated
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :) Thanks for watching!
Jesus christ ive found the most relaxing video ever made
Dude these videos are incredible. These videos are perfect to fall asleep to and i mean that as an enormous compliment. My only criticism is maybe watch your audio levels so your s’s and t’s arent as sharp.
Thanks ... I think? Sweet dreams! ;)
Love the tng era. Its the golden age of trek for me. I include ds9 and voyager as they all share esthetics.
Keep up the good work! Your content on uniforms is impressive. I hope you get your hands on the multiple third season tunics. The ones seen in 3x01 are different than the ones you see by the end of the season and later seasons. There is stitching on the front chest/abdomen area for better fit. These early season three uniforms seem less comfortable than later uniforms in tng.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :)
I have actually had the privilege of studying two screen-used TNG jackets (Commander Riker and Lieutenant Barclay), and I'll be posting my costume research into the later-era TNG uniforms soon.
startrekcostumeguide.com/
Great video! Love seeing this kind of stuff explored. Would love to see a video about the Blackman era of TNG costumes as well. I always found it interesting how his kind of evolved throughout the show(like how they changed from early season 3 on). It’s subtle differences but I feel like you’d be the guy to tackle it in a video. Great job on this one again. 👍🏼
I would like to do more blog posts/video presentations like this on a variety of topics, in addition to the in-depth costume analyses on my "Star Trek Costume Guide" blog.
I'm currently in the process of heavily updating my TNG jumpsuit analysis, which spans all seven years and their para-TNG appearances
I'm also working on one specifically for Blackman's TNG-era jackets, which did evolve quite a bit over the years.
Thanks for watching, and for your kind words. :)
+1 for a Blackman era video! I personally think Blackman did a great job of taking Theiss' somewhat '80s vision of what Starfleet should look like and updating it for the 1990s. Somehow just adding the collar and removing the piping on the shoulders made the uniforms look a lot more professional. I see the Blackman uniforms and instantly I feel like *that's* what a Starfleet captain would wear!
@@NealMiskinMusic it's something I was only vaguely aware of when I first watched TNG as a kid, all out of order, but some characters... particularly Picard and Data.. just look weirdly _weak_ with the v-neck exposing the suprasternal notch. They seem vulnerable.. the collar fixed that right up, but in a subtle enough way that it didn't jump out at you "oh they changed the uniforms"
But of course the biggest advance is just the separation of tops and bottoms. Like, there's a reason we invented that as soon as waistband material was up to snuff.. a full-body jumpsuit is physically incapable of bending at a 90 degree angle the way we do at the hip. Pants are already bad enough at this overall, hence plumber's crack and the all-familiar bunching-up at the front of the crotch when you sit down..
@@NealMiskinMusic I agree that Blackman did an excellent job upgrading the TNG-era uniforms while still staying true to the essence of Theiss' original uniform designs.
@@KairuHakubi I agree that separating the TNG-era uniform into a two-piece (jacket + trousers) was a good decision. They looked great and were doubtless more comfortable to wear.
With the exception of a few leading ladies' uniforms, the DS9/VOY-era and ENT-era jumpsuits were looser (more akin to coveralls) and far more comfortable to wear than the skintight TNG jumpsuits (although they did still have some of the limitations you mentioned).
if I didn't enjoy your videos before (which I did, love them) you using both Trelane and Q at 9:51 seals it. there seems to be very few "die-heard" fans who swear they know everything bit of TrekLore who still don't know Trelane is a Q, worse is those who ask "what is your source" and when they are given the book they try and gatekeep saying "it isn't canon" that tends to be when you know they are tourists with only a passing interest or understanding of being a good citizen and steward of the fandom.
I'm glad you enjoy the videos. :)
I actually only shared Trelane and Q as examples because I particularly liked their costumes, but Q SQUARED was my favorite book as a teenager.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they never actually state that Trelane is of Q in the the show... But he clearly IS a Q isn't he!
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@@chriskelly3481 no, it was never discussed or confirmed in the show(s), although John de Lancie did say in a BTS interview that he believed the character of Q was based on Trelane, and the relation (or lack thereof) is explored in some of the books.
I was surprised to not see you mention that the original uniforms for The Cage had both men and women in pants, and that it was only with the shift to the main TOS uniform type that pants for women were abandoned.
Also, I would love to see someone pull off a skant + bomber jacket look, it could really work...
Haha, I have the feeling somebody's specifically going to do the skant/bomber jacket ensemble to wear at a con or something, just to prove they can.
I understand your paradigm concept. What I was saying is the Grace Lee Whitney Pants was before TOS and before the idea to make uniforms Unisex. The pants were before Phase II.
I see what you mean.
The trousers I mentioned were clearly intended for use in PHASE II, though. The pleated cuffs at the bottom of the trousers were from that production.
It's possible they were recycled and modified from TOS, but I doubt it since the TOS trousers fabric changed.
Great video. Thanks for the work.
You're welcome, and thanks for watching! :)
Oh alright. By the way, if you type in Star Trek the Original Series Female Pants Uniform you will find a woman wearing a gold shirt wearing pants. She's a blonde. I uses that as the basis for my custom Kitana and Jade Playmates Star Trek action figures. So pants was always in the back of Bill Teiss's mind.
Additionally: Thanks to your uniform videos I will be reimagining my Star Trek fan verse's uniforms for Star Trek the Motion Picture all the way through the lost era.
Phase 2 and the federation-romulan war lost era produced so much militaristic enhetentence a time ofrecomitment to the peaceful exploration should be shown with vunurability and femmenistic equalty. Estaticly, less is more, fashionable, return to basics and ultimately meeting production costs !
The one thing I always wondered (both in universe and production reasons) is why the red and gold were flipped between TOS and TNG. So much so that when DS9 did a throw back to Trouble with Tribbles, they had to have a quick couple of lines explaining why Sisko was now wearing gold.
Most people look better in red than yellow, so it makes sense to put your most prominent character(s) in that… especially with the “look” of the Monster Maroons burned into everyone’s minds (whether they wanted it or not). I’ve heard that Patrick Stewart in particular looked terrible in the TNG “gold,” and that the final decision to make the switch came from that… but I don’t actually remember where I heard that, or have a source.
@@DAOzz83 Great explanation for production reason. After all, for the DS9 episode I cited, Sisko didn't quite look right. That may also be because I was used to seeing him in red. However, point well taken. Now, how about in-universe?
Oh, that’s actually pretty easy! Everyone, including the admirals and captains, had gotten used to wearing red with the Monster Maroons, and presumably liked it. Now, I have nothing as for why they switched back to the 3-colors scheme, but I can easily imagine that, the decision having been made, the admirals, captains, and xo’s all collectively told the logistics guys that they would _very much_ prefer to keep wearing red, thank you. That much pull assured that they got their way.
@@DAOzz83 Head cannon or official?
Headcanon, obviously. But I think it makes pretty good sense.
I loved this video, can’t wait to see more of this, maybe a video about the costume development in ST Discovery, I know there were a lot of changes and lost ideas BTS in that show
I have no plans for any NuTrek stuff, but I'm glad you enjoyed this video and (as I mentioned) there are many more I'd like to do on a variety of topics. :)
Thanks for watching!
I agree it would be interesting to have some insight into the Disco designs. The current season 4 uniforms seem to have taken the asymmetric concept and ran with it (in the wrong direction IMHO)
Wow! Thank you for this deep investigation into costume design. I learnt so much
You're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching! :)
I need to use the word paradigm more often.
It is a good one. :)
But Teri Farrell in the Mini-Uniform in Trials and Tribbles from DS9 LOOKED HOTTTTTT
"I think I'm going to like history."
Promotional Photos for the Original Series had Kirk and Spock in a hybrid Cage era TOS uniform while Janice was in the full Cage era uniform. She had pants for those photos.
There were definitely exceptions, but I was referring to the overall wardrobe paradigm as a whole.
ok but wearing a bomber jacket over a skant would absolutely be A Look
Haha, I have the feeling somebody's specifically going to do this now to wear at a con or something, just to prove they can.
Niche is not pronounced Nich... pronounced neesh. Great video!!!
Fletcher was costume designer for Star Trek II-VI, Theismann was designer for TMP
Fletcher designed the costumes for TMP as well. Watch the opening credits of the movie, check your DVD/Blu-Ray credits toward the bottom of the case, or look on IMDB. :)
Also, Fletcher was only costume designer on ST2-4. Although Fletcher's uniform designs were used in ST5 and ST6, those two movies had different costume designers.
What does the "monster" in "monster maroon" refer to?
I believe they were nicknamed so by fans/cosplayers back in the day, in reference to how much of a "monster" they are to make.
Ironically Gates McFadden was the only cast member who liked the tighter uniforms. The coat was nice, but she was just as happy without it, according to her.
I do think she looked better in the later-style TNG jumpsuit than the early season 3 two-piece uniform. Deanna looked good in-uniform too.
The TMP cast photo at 14:51 is interesting: I've seen it a dozen times but only now noticed Decker wearing an orange or tan (?) uniform. I don't remember that from the movie! Didn't he wear the blueish one throughout?🤔
I think color of Decker's uniform in the photo was probably tan and we're seeing a strange color shift from the very bright photography lighting. Or maybe it could've been an early prototype uniform in a different color?
Collins probably had an assortment of uniforms made for him that never made it into the movie. Cast members sometimes wear different outfits for promotional photos than they wind up wearing in the actual production.
@@ObsessiveCostumingDude It's not like it was the first time. The TOS command uniforms were supposedly a very different colour in person than on screen due to the way early colour television worked. And it wouldnt be the last time either since the uniforms from the first two seasons of Discovery are supposed to keep the 3 colour divisions but its impossible to tell the difference between the gold command uniforms and the bronze ops uniforms due to the way the sets are lit.
@@lsamaknight oh, it is WILD how different the costume colors are in-person vs. how they looked in the shows and movies.
I plan to do specific posts about the division colors (how they look in-person, with Pantones, paint chips, etc. vs. how they looked in the show, and the evolution of the colors themselves over the years) on my "Star Trek Costume Guide" blog:
startrekcostumeguide.com/
Those aren’t “enlisted” uniforms in the movies…those are cadet/trainee uniforms. In TNG, enlisted wore the same uniforms as the officers, with only a collar device to designate the difference. Mikes O’Brien gets a Chief Petty Officer rank in DS9. TOS had no enlisted people at all.
The jumpsuits with red collars were for enlisted trainees, and the jumpsuits with black collars were for fully enlisted crew. The "monster maroon" jackets with red division shirts were for cadets, and the other division colors were for commissioned officers. Robert Fletcher specified these distinctions in his notes.
And yes, the inexplicable disappearance of enlisted for personnel would remain so until Chief O'Brien, as you mentioned (although he wore a lieutenant's rank for his first few years on TNG before the writers decided he was actually enlisted).
Fletcher's design is great for dress uniforms but not for everyday wear.
Until the DS9 uniforms came along, Fletcher’s movie uniforms, where the best looking in the series.
I agree that Fletcher's standard uniforms looked fantastic, but they did seem utterly impractical for much besides sitting and standing.
@@christianemden7637 those are two of my three favorite STAR TREK uniforms (the third being those for ENTERPRISE).
I really don’t get the love so many fans have for the First Contact/DS9 uniforms. I mean, I’ve read your Bad Wolf analyses, and I now understand there were a lot of subtle, even clever, details going on there. But at the end of the day, they were formless black boilersuits with some grey on top. Starfleet uniforms are supposed to be C O L O R F U L!!!
/end rant. Sorry, I get carried away on that topic. Please know that I respect everyone’s rights to their own preferences, and that I truly, truly appreciate all you have put into your Star Trek costume projects; I’m thrilled we’re getting more content, and I hope it continues to be something you enjoy!
Regarding the TNG admiral uniform; firstly, 'brooch' is pronounced 'broach', secondly, it wasn't a brooch, it was the rank insignia.
FYI, Dictionary.com recognizes both pronunciations as valid.
I think you may have put too much blame on Theiss for the miniskirts. His earliest TOS designs had female crewmembers in pants. I'd have to double check the background characters, but Number One and Yeoman Colt from The Cage and Dr. Denner from Where No Man Has Gone Before all wore trousers. I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall that the network wanted the skirts more than he did.
Yes, the leading ladies in "The Cage," "Where No Man Has Gone Before," and a couple extras in season 1 did wear trousers. There were definitely exceptions, but I was referring to the overall wardrobe paradigm as a whole.
As for Theiss vs. the network, I couldn't say, but if so that's interesting.
Anyone know why dudes in dresses were excised by Season Two?
I do have a silly theory:
startrekcostumeguide.com/2022/01/tng-skant-theory/
The movie uniforms are so much better. They are timeless designs that aged well. They still look good today. But the TNG and TOS uniforms look so much like pyjamas.
The last episode of TOS is misunderstood. It's not about women can't be Captain. It's about women blaming men for their failures. That she failed in Kirk's body only showed that she was unfit for the captain's job - regardless of her gender.
Nick! Why didn't you say that you had another channel.
No Nicks here ... my name is Alex. :)
Hehe, any uniforms worn for DAILY work should be very practical and equally comfortable, long lasting, easy to maintain within specified standards, and still formal. Very few, if any ST-uniforms fulfill such criteria. Especially extremely tight-fitting (and revealing) spandex uniforms are just silly. Yes, TV is TV, but IMO these iconic (but still useless) uniforms and the total lack of mission prepping has not aged well. I guess, the uniforms of the future will be variants of the themes almost all military and uniformed civilian units all over the world has adopted for daily use the last decades. Most often a comfortable, plain and unitary design with muted rank insignia. In think these are to some extent based on certain WWII uniforms, especially the US M1941 field/combat variants. The Americans ditched traditional style for pragmatic practicality - and it worked. The Enterprise series took some clues here, as well as from modern military aviation equipment, but this was only to show that this series was closer to us, time wise.
Too bad we didn't get the male leads wearing the Skant in episode or two. Bet Frakes would've been game!
There are persistent rumors that the TOS miniskirt was less a product of sexism and more a result of requests made by Nichelle Nichols and Grace Lee Whitney. The story goes that both women were dancers and very proud of their legs. They wanted to show them off.
The miniskirt itself was something of a empowerment statement of the time as progressive women were pushing for their right show off their legs if THEY chose to. The longer more conservative skirts of the 40’s and 50’s were being railed against.
We do know that skirts were not part of the original uniform concept either in the Cage pilot or later in Where No Man Has Gone Before. All the female members of Starfleet are featured in pants. Additionally there are numerous occasions in TOS after the introduction of the miniskirts that female background characters can be seen wearing pants. This would seem to suggest, at least from an In-Universe perspective that female crew members had the option to wear pants or skirts.
I've since heard similar perspectives about the ladies' uniforms, and how I/we may be projecting 21st-century values and sense of anti-sexism onto something that was intended and/or perceived very differently 50+ years ago.
I wasn't alive in the 60s and history has always been one of my weakest subjects, but I do find this interesting. It would seem to be consistent with what little I know about the "sexual revolution" of the era.
@@ObsessiveCostumingDude - It’s all good. I don’t see it as projecting. Most people of today, even if they were born in the 60’s or 70’s, don’t seem to remember the pants in the first two pilots.
FYI it's "broach" like "roach" not "brooch" like "book".
Also its niche like "neish" not "Ness"
I've heard it pronounced both ways, and Dictionary.com recognizes both too.
Personally, it seems silly to me that "broach" and "brooch" might be pronounced the same ways, when they're spelled differently and mean different things.
I believe "niche" also has regional differences in pronunciation. (Again, Dictionary.com recognizes both.)
But I'm glad you took something away from the presentation. :P
The TNG uniforms once they added the collar are my favorite Star Trek uniforms.
The subsequent uniforms all became more drab. and the First Contact uniforms are too padded and puffy the actors don't look good in them IMO.
I love the DS9/NEM-era uniforms (even more strongly by association with DS9, my all-time favorite show), but I do love the later TNG-era uniforms too. Blackman's design changes were relatively subtle but made such a huge difference.
Elizabeth Dehner wore pants in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", didn't she?🤔
Yes, as did the ladies in "The Cage" and a couple extras in season 1. There were definitely exceptions, but I was referring to the overall wardrobe paradigm as a whole.
@@ObsessiveCostumingDude Wasn't meant as criticism. Just wanted to know if I remembered correctly. Great video!👍
@@deadNightwatchman I didn't take it that way. You were remembering correctly. Thanks for watching. :)
Incredibly disappointing to me that the male skant hasn't come back. Especially since the major reason it was phased out was because they couldn't find actors willing to wear it. I imagine today there'd be a lot more men willing to wear the skant on Discovery or Picard. I think having both genders wearing what was the TOS male uniform shows a common issue with unisex costumes where you end up with women dressing like men opposed to both genders wearing a truly futuristic unisex outfit.
Or even civilian men in skirts or dresses in the background. I know the skant could be challenged as impractical for crawling around Jefferies tubes, but civilian wear wouldn't have this objection!
The idea of the skant is one thing, but the specific design of them was another and quite likely led to their quick exit from the show. The coloured front panel forms an hourglass shape, which just needlessly shouts a feminine form. The TNG skants, unlike their TOS predecessors, also featured short sleeves and those sleeves were in solid black rather than following the shoulder-and-arm design of the standard uniforms. Their very shortness might also have been an issue.
The dress uniform that appeared later shows how a skant design with a better chance of acceptance could have been pulled off.
@@crystallineentity3277 not to mention those glass floors on multiple levels of engineering. ;)
@@davidjames4915 I actually kind of like the slimming effect of the hourglass-shape (which was less pronounced on the men's version) and was fine with the short sleeves, although the early formal uniforms you mentioned do have very similar body paneling and interior construction to the skants.
Robert Fletcher did what the directors told him to do. William weir theiss was not slighted. He also did what the creators told him to do.dont try to create drama
I personally don't think it is an issue to have separate uniforms for men and female crew members. Priests and nuns dress differently so what is the problem with having male and female dress code on a starship?
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It doesn't take over analysis of the franchise to realize TNG and the first motion picture Starfleet uniforms were lame in comparison to the Wrath of Khan forward movie era uniforms. That trend extended through DS9 and Voyager. You wouldn't see good functional uniforms again until Enterprise.
Klingon wardrobe, on the other hand, was solid from the Motion Picture going forward.
The TNG-era uniforms feel much more appropriate and authentic for a futuristic sci-fi world. Roddenbury was right about the TOS movies uniforms being too archaic and militaristic.
I do like the TNG-era uniform vibes. Practically everything about it (uniforms, sets, props, etc.) combine to form a world I enjoy watching and would love to live in. :)
@@ObsessiveCostumingDude Yeah, TNG is my favourite Trek series (and maybe my favourite series of all time) specifically because of how welcoming it is. It's visually colourful and vibrant, favouring warm, soft tones more than any other Trek. The design of the Enterprise-D is just perfect: the distinctly late 80s colour palette - lots of creams and beiges -, everything being carpeted, and everything being well-lit, gives it an immensely comfy and positive vibe, which no other Trek has replicated (no pun intended).
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 it is very comfortable and easy on the eyes, perfect for an idealized representation of humanity and space exploration.
Then again, I also love how colorful, dynamic, rich, and visually-interesting DS9 was (which was also a perfect look for that show).
Thank god they got rid of those male uniform skirts. That was really far left wing
Fletcher seems very invested and creative while Teise(sp?) Seems lazy and uninspired
Personally, I think both did excellent work on the franchise; they just had radically different creative visions.
Looking forward to your Robert Blackman video... His DS9/Voyager uniform is by far my favourite design.
I do have many more videos that I'd like to do, and I adore Blackman's work on the franchise. :)
Thanks for watching!
@@ObsessiveCostumingDude I look forward to future videos! I’ve always loved Star Trek’s approach to costume.