Google Nest WiFi Setup with 2nd Nest WiFi Router Wired! Wired Backhaul!
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In todays vlog I show you how to setup your Google Nest Wi-Fi with a 2nd Wired Nest Wifi Router acting as an Access Point. This allows your 2nd Nest WiFi router to run off a wired backhaul or wired backbone for a much faster internet connection in hard to reach locations in your house. If you are able to run a cable to that location.
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Solved my problem - better than the google help! Thx!
Thanks for the video! It was a huge help!
Your welcome!! I had hopped this would be a helpful video for people. 😁
Wanted to do this. Thanks for the video
exactly what i was looking for! thanks
Hope it helped! Made my WiFi The best I have ever had.
The Nest Mesh wifi was the best decision I’ve ever made.
After trying Nighthawk and Orbi. Being a Netgear fanboy, I was so disappointed with them.
I completely agree. I've used all 3 when in IT and had the best speed and experience with Nest Wi-Fi.
Excellent video. Thanks for that.
Great how do you know your using the wired backbone vs that propriety wifi mesh capabilities? I mean if you are paying for gigabit speeds and using the wired connection I would figure your download speeds would be much much higher? No?
Exactly! BigC Vlogs says he's now got about 25% of what he pays for. I pay for 400 Mbps. Without wired secondary puck, wifi speed from this secondary puck is only 100 Mbps. With wired secondary puck, wifi speed from this secondary puck is only 200 Mbps. I reached out to Google and now in the pending reply...
Excellent video - well done! My Google Mesh Router is in my basement next to my modem. Here is my setup. Modem > Primary Google Mesh Router 🌎 > Lan with Cat6 cable to TP Link 16 Port Switch > Cat6 Ethernet wall ports throughout home. If I understand your setup, I can then plug in a 2nd Google Mesh Router into one of those Ethernet wall ports (that’s connected to the switch) via Cat6 cable. My new Google Mesh Router is now hard-wired as a point. If that’s correct, how do you set up the router to be a point? Will it automatically detect it as a point vs. a router?
Hello! Yes that is correct. That's the reason I made this video, I thought people would need and want to do this.
Once you have the cables connected, just plug the new "router" into power and follow the setup in the Google home app. It will see your other router, set itself to an access point and use the cat6 cable as a wired backhaul so you have super fast internet all over your house with that setup.
@@BigCVlogs This worked flawlessly. A great set up. I am now getting 600 to 900 mbps depending on device (iPads, iPhones). Hardwired from new wired router “point” to iMac is logging 1.1 gbps. Brilliant! Anyone that needs a wifi solution needs to watch your video. Bravo 👏
@@BigCVlogsDo i understand correctly that the cable in the second router is not connected to the same physical LAN as the primary router? You’re making a wireless connection between two WLAN routers to allow for cabled network in a remote location? Because that’s what i’m looking to do with these things. Need to know fast.. my cable broke halfway in the ground.
Thanks you for the vid. I am going to do the same thing!! Needed extra AP and dont want to go to the older google wifi Ap. So a 2nd nest router it is!!
Honestly... Works so great! I've have this setup for months and have almost my full gig speed across the home.
I have 36 devices on my network. I have 3 nest wifi routers, for this to work best I need to wire both of the additional routers right? What is the major benefit of this?
My Ps5 only connects to the internet via lan cable for some reason. I tried buying an additional nest router bevause the traditional google access points don’t have Ethernet Ports. It is giving me a lot of trouble. Any suggestions ?
You should be able to setup the 2nd Nest Router wirelessly. (Atleast I thought that could be done) and then plug a cable into the ps5 from the LAN port on the router.
I know I've setup other routers like this when I worked in IT, but never a Nest WiFi setup like that. Just wired like I did in my video.
so the new router that you have in the basement that connects to what? the charter modem or the original google router
The new one in the basement was wired directly to the Google nest Router that sat next to the charger modem. This gave me 2 wired access points to give me my full Internet speed throughout the house.
One question, lets say I already have an A2200 in my master bedroom but the bedroom with my pc is a deadzone, could I buy another one and use it to give my pc a wired ethernet connection instead of plugging into a lan port? like could I connect it wirelessly with the main A2200 and just have it in my room wired to my pc.
also I just want to mention I bought an eero pro 6 like a dumbass because I thought that it could connect wirelessly to the a2200 that's connected to the modem, I'm just having a hard time figuring this shit out, I do not want to buy a 50 ft ethernet cable and run it through my attic into the main A2200.
Yes you could. I actually used this setup at my last rental home because I could not run wires. So I had my main router downstairs wired to the modem from Comcast and then it talked to my 2nd router upstairs which I plugged a switch into with 3 other computers. It honestly worked great. I never had any issues.
Can I hook up my google nest wifi to the modem with a 100ft Ethernet cable and place the nest 100ft from the router and use points. Would it work
Hello, yes that would work perfectly fine.
Nice! 👍
Really good vid....I pay for gig and set my point up in the bonus room (def) away from a router hub (this house is frustrating) I'm not getting what I should be getting at my access point
What should I do you think?
Sadly your only choice would be doing what I did in this video with the wired backhaul. It's basically the location and interference from walls etc. it would happen with any mesh system so if the 2nd point was wired it would solve it and give you all of the speed your paying for.
@@BigCVlogs bruther completely agree w u just seeing what u/others think (I'm in a rental....soo....((I'm good for now )) yep, not getting what I'm paying for !!!!
Thanks man loved your video
Great video. I am moving soon to a 2 bed apartment and i have a router/modem plus the google wifi router. Im going to connect xfinity using my router/modem. Can i still use the google wifi router and place it in the second room and still have a good speed throughout the house?
I have a 1GB connection and got about 100mbps with the wireless setup. Once I worked it, I get closer to 500mbps upstairs.
You should do some research on MoCA. Way better than the mesh and/or an additional way to enhance your mesh. You should be getting close to your you 1 GB by using coax cables that already exist in your house.
Why did you remove the additional wifi mesh unit?
Just due to speed. Having them hardwired, makes for an ultra fast connection and if I left the Wireless Mesh Access Point up, my devices might connect to it and then be slower since it would go from the AP, to the wired device and then out to the internet. The wired backhaul gave me almost all of my speed throughout my whole house while the AP's would cut it in a 3rd.
Will the wireless points select the closest access point on their own or do they need to be linked?
Once the access points/routers are set up on your account, the device will select the closest access point for your device to give it the fastest speed possible.
Will hardwired points automatically become access points that the wireless spots will try and pull from or do I need to set something up in settings? I have a point that is far from the main but close to another hardwired point but shows poor connection move closer to primary access point. Thanks for the insights...also, read the post bellow mine and he is setting up same layout. I have older model (3 year) could that be the issue...thanks again
Thanks for the video. I think this is a clever solution. I however do have a couple questions. Does anybody know if the same can be achieved witout a physical connection (ethernet) between the 2 google nest routers? because in theory you only need the one router uptairs hard wired to the modem in the basement to achieve the same result. Or did you do this because you also require to have wifi in your basement?🙂
You could, but if your not running a cable the regular Nest Access Point (the ones with the built in speaker and no ports) would do what your wanting I think. You won't see a speed increase, since you only get that increase from them being directly cabled. You would not really get a benefit from having 2 of the Nest Routers hooked up via WiFi without running the cable to connect them.
@@BigCVlogs Yes i agree with you because this what i think as well. The reason i ask is because i find myself in a similar situation. My nest router stands hooked up to a fiber box modem in a cabinet in a utility room in one corner of the house. So as a solution i have added some points form a Mesh network, which give good and stable signal to the rest of the house, both on ground and 1st floor. The only problem is the mesh network only delivers half the the speed i am paying for, similar to in this video. I spoke to technician last week who told me that getting an additional router could be the answer. However i would only lack the voice assistant, but in turn gain full speed on any device that i have hard wired to the 2nd router. what i can not recall from our conversation is if it could be achieved without a lan between router 1 and 2.
@chichividz I know this an old thread. But if I understand you correctly. What you're saying about your speeds using the mesh will go down if it's wireless. That's why he's backhauling it. You will never get speeds through wifi like you would through a cat cable. No way
Hi, I'm trying to decide between choosing 2 nest routers or 1 nest router plus 2 points. Which option would get me better coverage?
My house(3,300 sf) has wireless cameras and lights on the exterior so I'm trying to find the best option.
With cameras outside, I would 100% recommend a 2 pack of Nest Routers. If you're able to hardwire them together, that will be even better. My house is only 1500 ft², and one did not cut it. Two gives me Wi-Fi all around my house including the outside and everything loads at basically the snap of a finger. (1GB internet from Charter)
Just curious, is this method the same as daisy chaining? Do you really need a faster speed internet subscription to benefit from this device?
No, not really. Daisy chaining is a little different. These routers "talk" to get other through a special wireless connection between the devices. So when you cable them together with a wire vs. allowing them to use the wireless you get the full speed of the device.
I would say in terms of speed, it's only worth it if you have 100mbps internet or more.
For example with a wired backhaul and a half gig connection, you would get your full half gig internet speed all over your house.
Whole with it being wireless on a half gig connection, you would get your full half gig when connected to the main router (the one right beside your modem) but your 2nd access point would likely give you speed of 100mbps vs the 500mbps you would be getting at near your main router.
This is due to the wireless connection between to the routers. The cables make it instant while the wireless has the fight walls, other devices/wireless SSID around you and more.
@@BigCVlogs Thanks!
I know this is an older video but I have a question if I only have one place for my wife to come from can I add a router wireless or do all the routers even the added on ones have to be hardwired in? Because I can’t connect the second router wirelessly and was curious if I was doing something wrong.
You can add them wirelessly. I only wired mine for better speed.
For example, I have a 1GB internet connection from Charter. If I plug a computer in hardwired, I get about 900 megs, on the first router were the modem is? I would also get about four or 500 megs. But when wirelessly connected to the second router, I would only get 50 to 80 megs. Which is more than enough. But with hardwiring the second router I was able to get 500 megs like I do next to the modem and router. Hope that made sense it was a voice text lol.
Can you setup a second router as a wireless access point? Not wired?
Yes you can. That's what they want. I only did the wiring for speed reasons and the house setup.
Thanks so much for the quick reply!
How do you set up a second WiFi router wirelessly?
Hi BigC, thanks for the Vid, I did the same thing as you, and it ran well for some time. How ever, i get the issue sometimes where the Wifi stops working all together. As soon as i disconnect the seondary router, wifi works fine again :( Also if there is a power shortage somehow the secondary router starts a tiny bit faster than the main router and things stop working all together. It makes me question wether the 2 routers arnt competing for being the main router? Maybe they are battleing over who gets to be setting up DHCP? Have you had the need to set any further settings to make sure one router is handling IP distributions and the other just being a slave?
I had a similar issue once with the old Google WiFi system that was on a wired backhaul.
I'd suggest deleting the device (factory reset) and then set it back up to see if that solves it.
Pero si hubieras puesto dos routers de cualquier marca cableados, el resultado no sería similar?
Sí pero no hubiera obtenido una conexión mesh
Hi your video great. Unfortunatley when i do the steps by the end i have mesh but that 2nd unit what i hardwired not showing wifi by any. Am i the only one with this issue?
Hummm... I'd say try to factory reset the 2nd device and set it up again.
Also double check your cable to make sure it's networked correctly.
@@BigCVlogs Thanks, but i did this already a few times. If there is no luck probably i get a faulty device...
@@adambalog1483 that would be my guess at that point.
@@BigCVlogs I investigated with google support, the device not bad, but they need to discuss inhouse how to proceed with it. Actually when i set it up as router the wifi works, so the antenna/radio is good. Let's see what they will say.
@@BigCVlogs Finally my problem solved. The issue was with different region setup.My original Nest Router + APs were from USA, and the 2nd Nest Router came from Germany, so that caused that strange behavior what i have explained. I sent back the german unit and purchased a brand new from ebay to be US version and then immediatley working the setup and now i have full speeds of wifi like you have in your video! Thanks for the tip and hope this info helps to others if they have problems i had.
I have a question! I’m building a brand new home. And the home has a ton of thick walls etc… I want to have multiple nest routers and multiple points. Let’s say 2 routers and 3 points.
I have the option to add cat6 outlets or I have the option to add “pre-wire for Wireless access point”.
Which do I need? Does either work? I see you have the routers connected to the same cable, can I connect them to any cat6 outlet in the house?
It sounds like your building a great big house. Sounds amazing!
Due to the thick walls, I would suggest, skipping the access points. They will likely be in the ceiling and unable to use the Nest Routers. (I could be wrong on this but when I worked in IT, wired access points was always in the middle of the ceilings)
I would say get as many Nest Routers as you need and don't use the wireless nest access points at all.
They are great but you don't get the speed you will from a wired Nest Router.
As long as all of your cat 6 cables route to one location, you can setup the first Nest router to your interent modem, and connect it to a switch that plugs into each router.
Then setup each router and you should have coverage all over your house without any issues at all.
Not sure when your moving into this house, but new Nest WiFi 6 routers have showed up at the FCC. They should be out by October this year is my guess.
Wifi6 is much faster. I actually have another video showing the Nest system vs. a Wifi6 system and the wifi6 system was much faster.
I'm looking to get them when they are released this year. (My guess they will be release this year. They were approved a few months ago, so I'm thinking at Google's up coming event they will be announced)
In the end, get the cat6 outlets would be my recommendation. You can plug in another switch from the routers you setup. Try to space them around the house where the whole house will be covered. 5 routers and you would likely have amazing, fast internet for years.
Definitely if your able to wait on the Nest Wifi6 system that should be coming.
@@BigCVlogs dumb question, but when you have Ethernet ports in say all the bedrooms, do those usually tie back to a switch? I’m assuming I’ll have to buy one… I know they go back to a central location, but wasn’t sure what they plugged into. So I guess I’ll have to buy that switch..
Other question, does the routers also act as wireless hotspots? Or do they only support hard wired devices? You said to get rid of the points, but I want to make sure I can still have wireless devices accessing the networks if I only have routers setup.
I totally understand what you mean by access points in the ceilings. I watched a quick video after your commend and I see what they are now :)
Thank you so much for the speedy response btw! You rock man!
@@joshmendelson3640 so the Ethernet ports should tie back to a "patch panel". You will need a gigabit switch that is large enough to match the panel, as well as a handful of 3ft cat6 cables to run from the patch panel to your switch. Those are made in 8, 12,16, 24 and 48 port switches. Just depends on how many cabled ports you have in your home.
The routers will act as wireless hotspots. And the Nest system will move you from router to router as you move around the house without you having to do anything at all.
The main reason I say drop the wireless nest devices, is because they talk to the routers via WiFi, vs. being cabled. So they would be slower than the routers if your connected to the wireless nest access points. Basically it's an extra hop.
With them all wired, it would be lighting fast because your wireless device will connect to (for example) your 3rd level Nest Router and shoot through the wired cable instantly and out to the internet.
Vs your wireless device connecting to the nest access point and then the nest access point wirelessly talking to the nest router where it's then on the cable and lighting fast.
Hopefully that make sense. You might spend $1000 on 4-5 of the Nest Routers but in the end you would have your full internet speed all over your house vs. having half of your internet speed all over the house.
For example, if you have a 1gb connection like me, the wired routers will give you (almost) the full gig while the wireless points will give you a quarter of that speed.
@@BigCVlogs I shockingly feel like I know what your talking about when you talk about the patch panel. I’m probably going to fail when it comes to connecting to a switch so I’ll have to rely on my neighbors to tell me which cables I need to redirect over to the switch. But thank you so much for the thorough and very detailed response! You truly do care about your viewers!!
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For wired backhaul between both mesh devices shall we use crossed-over cable? How about connection between main mesh AP and the main ISP router: shall we use crossed-over or straight-through cable?
I have all regular cat 6 cables, no crossover cables.
I need to extend my existing mesh (1 router 2 wifi points) on a room above garage. I am not able to connect LAN port of nest router to the new router which I plan to purchase, because my primary router for whole house is nest router and I connected it to the Cisco switch from where everyone in the house pick wired network.
Guess it is same thing if I run cable from the Cisco switch to the second router? Does it include the second router to existing mesh system or...?
Yes. If you plug it into the switch, it will still create the mesh network. The main router will see all 3 access points and create the perfect mesh in your house. You should not have any issues with that setup.
@@BigCVlogs thank you very much for response.
Research a moca setup. If you have existing coax (cable) setup, you should be able to create your own network using cables similar to how an Ethernet setup would work.
I live in a 3 story 2300sq home. I have my internet cable/router on the 3rd story. I want to get the google system and I am debating on getting 2 routers - 1 on the 3rd story and 1 on the bottom. Can you still benefit without the wiring them together? I think I want to avoid the access points.
In that case, you would just want to buy 1, 2 pack (router and access point) and then an extra Nest access point. You would only want two nest routers if you're planning to wire them together. Otherwise you can save the money with the access points. I think you would be okay due to yours being a three-story house. My issue was my internet came in at the garage and did not reach all the way over to the other side of the house so wiring it was the better option.
@@BigCVlogs I think I'm going to get two routers and try to wire them together. Seems like the best solution. I worry the ap will be slow far away from the router
@@travisscudder12 ahh ok. Yeah, that will cover your whole house with almost the same speeds you get from your modem. For example, I get 400mbps with my new setup but before when I used the access point I was lucky to get 30 Mbps on this side of the house. Well worth it.
@@BigCVlogs what if he wanted an ethernet satellite port on the second nest router, would it still work wirelessly without the two routers wired together?
@@SK-iy1mm yeah it would. You can have 2 wired access points and then a wireless one. The system will figure everything out and make it run smoothly.
do you have the two nest routers sitting next to each other, or did you have to have a long enough ethernet to go from 1 nest to another?
No, they are not next to each other. One was in the carport next to my modem, which covered the left side of my house. We then ran a 100ft cable to the right side and that Router (access point) covered the right side. It worked great. I was able to get 700+ Mbps anywhere in my house.
@@BigCVlogs aaaahhhhh i see. im assuming 100ft ethernet cable correct? if so, where do i get one of those from? i just found a deal on two more nests for cheaper than the price of one and would like to set the second one up. i think 3 would be overkill
@@rwalker27 that's correct. I would check Amazon. I got 50ft Cat7 cables for like $15 each, I know they had 100ft as well. Depending on the size of your house you may need 3. I setup a set for a doctor and he had a 3 story house and we put one on each level.
@@BigCVlogs yea i see the cables on amazon. so my next question would be, does the location of placement matter as long as theyre all connected to each other? with the one router on the left side of my house on the first floor, the right side lacks speed, and lacks even more on the second floor, attic, basement, and back yard. but soon as i moved it towards the middle, the speeds picked back up to about 250-300 mbps. (i pay for 500) idk if i should do one router on left side of house, and the other on the righ side of the house (both on first floor) or do one in the middle on the first floor, and the other on the second floor in the middle, or does it not matter?? sorry for all the questions
@@rwalker27 no, the location will not matter with them being hard wired. The mesh system will move your device (laptop, phone etc.) To the closest access point to give you the best speed.
Now that you have removed the middle (wireless) point, is this system any different than having two routers of any kind connected together? ie. does the Mesh system still control traffic in any special way? or is it that you just need it as you have multiple other google products in the ecosystem? We have a site where we dont really use it for anything other than a wifi extender. I'm wondering whether we should just pull out the nest and hardwire a couple of extra routers(?)
Yes, the mesh system still controls everything. So it will move me from device to device depending on where I'm at in the house. I also get my full (almost full) 1GB speed since they are hardwired mesh and not using the wifi mesh. I'd highly recommend this setup over 2 access points anyway.
@@BigCVlogs Cool, so, sorry to keep asking questions, but, we have a site with 1 router and 4 wireless access points. Would you recommend adding a 2nd wired router halfway down the (long, narrow)building, and retaining the wireless access points, or ditching them altogether?
@@AndrewDInSydney it depends on the building layout. With wired "routers", you may not need wireless access points at all.
Whoever is on the wireless ones will get less speed, so for me in the end, I would try to wire all of them that are needed for the fastest, best wifi.
@@BigCVlogs Thankyou, and you would say that the benefit of sticking with Google nest routers for this is that they will best manage handover between routers etc etc?
@@AndrewDInSydney 1 Trillion percent yes. When I was a server admin, the access point setups never worked as good as mesh setups once they started coming out and wired mesh setups were always a trillion times better than wireless Mesh setups. Anytime, glad I could help. 😁
Thanks for the video! You only got about 25% of what he pays for. With wired connection, shouldn't you be getting close to what you pay for wirelessly? I pay for 400 Mbps. Without wired secondary puck, wifi speed from this secondary puck is only 100 Mbps. With wired secondary puck, wifi speed from this secondary puck is only 200 Mbps. I reached out to Google and now in the pending reply...
Hi Ching, did you hear anything from google?
You do not pay for wireless connection, you pay for wired connection. Your actual wireless speeds have many different factors to consider. If you were getting 200Mbps on your wired connection, then you would contact your provider to find out what is happening.
@@shaaronzaghi ran Google diagnostic tool - everything looked fine - couldn't find anything wrong
@@tomasmatos4588 each wired puck delivers 400 when my device connects via RJ45 so it's not the provider. the issue that even wired pucks never deliver full wifi bandwidth. fine say there's no way wifi be as fast as wired, but what's the reduction in wifi speed? can't be 50% or more, can it?
@@cl88888 it depends. Is it possible to be 50% on wireless? Yes. There could be interference from other sources. If you are saying wired you are not getting 400, that is different. Getting 200 on wireless is not bad though.
My shit is wired and it still shows "weak connection"
That is weird... If you have time, try to unplug both of them for 5 minutes and then plug them back in. I'd suggest doing your internet modem as well. If that doesn't work, I'd try to reinstall the 2nd.
@@BigCVlogs yeah I can't figure it out
Wanted to do this. Thanks for the video
Glad to have helped, it will make a world of difference in terms of your speed around your house.