PROOF That H.E. Washers DON'T Save Water!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2017
- Originally recorded June 24, 2017.
Here you go, the definitive answer as to whether that HE machine was worth it or not, some probably 10-15 years too late.
Yes, you've been taken. All the way to the bank, where they washed out your wallet real good, then handed it back.
OLD SCHOOL FTW! Top-loading washing machines, big incandescents, and no emissions control!
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HE Washers waste MORE water. Always losing balance because of poor suspension, so it adds water and agitates. Yeah, that's saving water alright! Smh... It doesn't matter how weak the flow is, you're getting the same water filled in anyways, so why make the pressure so WEAK?! New machines are trash. I hate them so much. It's not rocket science, you need water to wash. Plain and simple. So, tree hugging liberals; your common core math will not save you here, not there, not ANYWHERE.
THANK YOU SIR!!!
Anytime my brotha!!!
HE washers deserve to be shot! All they do is waste water and dirty your clothes! Superior cleaning and water savings my ass!
That One Ford Guy they also fucking waste time and energy on the sensing shit and spinning during fill
Not to mention that on my HE, I use the maximum amount of water EVERY time (every setting that uses additional water- pre wash, heavy soil, huge load etc) in an attempt to get my clothes clean, sometimes rewashing because it didn't get done right the first time. Sometimes more is just needed and better.
34 treehuggers had a stroke after watching this video.
The only thing these HE machines use less of than a direct drive is cleaning power.
LOL, I could not have said that better myself!
And a weak motor and pump too!
LOL, THAT'S for damn sure... Lizboz. I just want my clothes and fabrics CLEAN...you'd think that wouldn't be so much to ask...
Thats why HE washers are garbage.
I bought one of then HE washing machine it was a maytag..I permitted that thing to spend the night cause the next day it went back to Lowe's..Went and bought me a used Kenmore old school with agitator
Well you made a huge mistake, but then completely corrected it! Good choice!
Smart move!
Use a SpeedQueen washing machine and a clothesline. Fill the washing machine up completely during each load and wash with cold water whenever possible.
Speed Queen is a great brand and if I ever need another washer, it'll be that brand. Washing full loads, but not OVERLY FULL loads (as in "let me just see if I can fit this thing in, and this, and this and this and this) is a good idea. Cold water is only to be used when washing darks so colors won't fade. All other times, warm or hot should be used to aid in the best washing action, or when the water temperature coming into the house is very low like in the winter.
In regards to machines only two new washers I'd consider are the Commercial Maytag, or the Speed Queen TC5.
I read how the TC5 action was brought back by a loophole in the regulations, someone said how they MIGHT not be in production for long for these possible reasons, I seriously hope that is not the case.
But regardless, fortunately plenty of nice mechanical direct drives can be found in appliance warehouses, I think that is where I'm going to look first.
I agree, those are the only 2 left that are worth anything. I hope they stay in production for a long time. But yes, there are indeed plenty of super reliable, yet easy to service direct drives out there, and plenty of parts available as well.
Yeah because at the end of the day you need WATER to clean and rinse clothes properly. HE is a huge scam!
Probably the only area where HE washers actually save energy is their faster spin speeds which squeeze more water out of the cloths but it pretty much ends there.
Yes, to squeeze more water _that they didn't use in the first place_ out!
I agree with that. High Efficiency is a lie because they use more water than Direct Drive washers because of the unnecessary load balance sensing stuff. Glad that I salvaged a Kenmore 70 Series Direct Drive that someone tossed it in the trash in Puerto Rico and repaired it for my Grandmother's house, plus I also convinced my mom to buy a Maytag Legacy Series Direct Drive for her house in Orlando, FL.
Glad you saw the light and know what good actually is.
Probably the worse part about these "High Efficiency" washers, is when (not if) they break down, they can't be repaired by folks like you and me, and therefore spend MORE money to get another set that'll break down even sooner.
If you have a Mom and Pop appliance store in your town, go there for a washer and dryer. They may not be flashy and "efficient", but there will be models that have stood the test of time, repaired and reconditioned to be sold for a bargain (with a warranty), and they may also carry parts to repair the machines yourself if so inclined.
The Whirlpool pair I have came from a Mom and Pop appliance store about 4 years ago, and they're still plugging along. So think of this as a customer testimonial.
And Tab FTW!!!!
I fully agree with everything you said there. It's all absolutely true. No overly expensive circuit boards or other superfluous garbage in the older washers. They have 1 job to do, and do it well.
Tab, yeah, thought it was cool as a kid, but could never have it. Now I buy it regularly! I'm just really glad they still make it; still sad I can't find Five Alive anymore!
Kind of like cars too. It's one of the reasons why I hold on to mine for as long as I can. I'm looking to drive a car, not a computer on wheels.
YES!
Samsung are the worst ones because they literally explode.
Do you remember when I had the GE Hydrowave washer? It had a 3.8 cf tub, would you say the whirlpool direct drives have around a 3.2 cf tub and correct me if I'm wrong. It would hold 8 towels on a FULL load, smaller whirlpool direct drive can hold 10, sounds like old is better and more efficient, as we all knew that.
Yeah 3.2 actually does sound about right, but I wasn't able to find the exact amount. Anyway it does not matter even if the tub is 15 cf, it's about the amount of water you put in it! And yes, both my machines hold 10 full size bath towels no problem, which is often what I was in those WashDay Wash-Ins.
At least, the Hydrowave still have a decent wash action compared to the junk that they make today.
Glad I bought a set of Speed Queens about 3 weeks ago. I recently went to Lowe's and Menards and just looked at the washers and dryers for the fun of it.
I have no clue as to how the new H.E. models stay together. No tub suspension, no brake, no nothing. Junk.
If Speed Queen ever fully converts to the rest of them, I don't know what we'll do.
Yep, SQ is the only real washer left, all the rest are a joke. I call them "spaceships", or more accurately, the ones that didn't fly; those were turned into washing machines.
Spaceships is about right. LOL
did you lean on the cabinets and watch the paper-thin metal and plastic buckle? XD
Speed Queen did it...already..why my last year version is coming MONDAY! Maybe in 25 years they'll get their heads out of their fannies.
Good choice!
Older washers beat the fuch out of stains, while he machines beat the siht out of the threads, braking your clothes.
Correct!
100% correct!
Anyone who dislikes this video says:
Oh you did not have an actual HE machine so you're just blabbering facts. Why did you use the gardening hose? Don't you know how contaminated that water is, and why is there fabric softener on the agitator? That can kill all living things in the ocean. *Proceeds to hug every tree in existence while singing chants about saving the planet*
Well said!
I couldn't have said that better myself!
Fabric softener doesn't kill anything when used properly! These eco people are too stupid!
Our LG certainly doesn't save water if it goes out of balance. If that happens it will sit there all day long filling up all the way and draining out if it's not stopped. My dad recently complained about a water bill that was too high and cited my frequent showers but I think he's looking at the wrong appliance...
I believe he is definitely looking at the wrong appliance!
If you don’t like speed queen, you are out of luck. Front loads are better than today’s h.e top loads.
Speed Queen was great through 2018. The 2019 machines are garbage. Anything is better than today's HE machines, top or front load. Even beating the clothes on rocks!
Is Kenmore elite catalyst washer good? It's a direct drive and I bought it used. It was new in 2008. Just asking for your opinion on that washer.
Essentially it's just another direct drive but with an electronic control panel. The membrane buttons can fail, and so can the main control board. Can be expensive and hard to obtain. The machine adds a couple extra things in to make the owner believe the machine is actually elite, but the fact of the matter is that practically any direct drive is among the elite to begin with. Sort of like a base model car and the higher trim level with dual-zone climate controls, heated seats, sunroof, etc. EXACT same car, just has more that can break.
@jaykay18 The one I have is mechanical. It has the fabric softener tray and detergent tray. I don't know if I should trade it out for 2008 whirlpool dd if they have it. What would you say?
@@dmana3172 You already have the best, no need to mess with success.
@jaykay18 thank you. I'll keep it. I wanted to order a new motor, but said it's special order. Nit sure if it's a good idea for me to buy and stock up now.
@@dmana3172 Parts are plentiful and available. Find another site. Reference the part number on Amazon, you might find it there for less. You don't have to buy from an appliance website. There's also no need to rush with it. Don't drag your feet, but it doesn't have to be done today.
sharing this on Facebook. the H/E also uses more electricity for computer chip processing, display and lighting, lid lock and let's not forget how many times the motor has to shut off n turn on.
Thanks Todd. And you're right. It's been said that the clock on a microwave oven uses more electricity over the life of the appliance than it ever does cooking. Probably true. Plus, those machines always have to stay live even when they are off, waiting for the couple times a week you power them on. Burning all that electricity on NOTHING. And you're also right about the motor. Motors use more current starting, so if you start the motor several times, you're increasing the total current used, each time is another spike.
These washers are much better than the new ones.
That's why I own them.
Government, please get out of my house. I don’t need you to be telling me I need these so called washers and appliances that save water, or save energy. Another worst thing you did since making our toilets use less water.
Agreed!
wouldnt it be less than 23.2 gallons for the wash, if the volume is being taken up by the clothes you would theoretically wash?
It might actually be a bit less. The articles to be washed do take up volume, yes, but they also soak up the water. Even if completely saturated, the washer fills to the same level each time. It's based off of the pressure of the water in the tub. Adding volume to the water makes the water level go up, like it does if you get into a filled bathtub; it displaces the water.
I just decided to get a Maytag commercial washer. None Energy efficient because I have seen to bad reviews on Energy efficient washers. Hopefully that’s a good one?
I wouldn't buy one, but they're not bad so I've heard. The drive mechanism isn't what they used to use, and I don't think it's as effective. Personally, I would have gone with a used machine, like one of these direct-drive Whirlpools. Parts and plentiful and dirt cheap. On top of that, the machines rarely ever break.
jaykay18 Thanks!
Sure, no problem.
Excellent comparison, no detail left out! Now, I will build you a nice power meter like I have, only better and awesome, and you can do a electrical comparison!
Sweet!
What is your opinion on modern front load washers?
Front load washers are like most people these days, they take up a lot of space, always complain, and never do anything worthwhile.
I absolutely hate my samsung washer! It takes an hour or two to finish doing its "Job." We always get an unbalanced load error codes whenever we wash our bedding, and barely even uses water and makes us frustrated! So many issues with the thing we have and I am definitely thinking about replacing it with a whirlpool direct drive.
There's no sense in waiting for the one you have to "break" since it barely works as it is.
How does your fabric softener dispenser get so dirty? Mine hasn't gotten that dirty yet.
Fabric softener has a tendency to change consistency when it sits around for a while. It gets thicker and clumpier. When that happens, it "gunks up" on the dispenser.
Every now and again, I'll run mine through the dishwasher by themselves with a no-heat dry. They come out perfect.
I did that to my fabric softener dispenser when I got it because I pulled it out of a high-efficiency washer that someone was getting rid of and it was nasty.
That would explain why it was in such condition!
true.. and thanks
Thanks very much for watching.
My POS "high efficiency" washer puts only 4 inches of water in a "large" load. It should have about 18 inches of water for a large load. I hate it. Junk.
Exactly. You're going to wash the same load 6 times and it still won't be clean, that's 24" of water so you already wasted 6" worth and got mediocre results at best.
Why is there seperate valves for the water?
Washing machines hoses are known to burst, usually when the homeowner is either not home or away on vacation. The transformer for the valves is plugged into an outlet controlled by a timer. That way, at the expiration of the timer, they shut off. There is a rigid connection from the water supply to the valve inlet, which will not burst. In the event a hose would burst, it would be contained within an hour's time or so.
They're for different temps. One for hot and one for cold.
I seriously question the “studies” that say HE machines wash better, and that you don’t need that much water to clean.
I think something is at play here, someone brought up the idea that they are using HE detergent, and the same amount of it, in a non HE washer. If this is the case then the detergent will be seriously diluted, so of course it won’t wash super well.
Regardless, I think some people are just too smart for their own good with stuff like this.
Thanks for the compliment. Yes, I agree, the HE detergents are indeed a joke, that's why I use non-HE powdered detergent!
HE detergent is absolutely stupid and so are HE washers!
Can you do a full load so we get an even more accurate measurement because the clothes absorb the water
If the same clothes were placed in the two washers, they would absorb the exact same amount of water, so it's negligible at best.
Also, just look at the energy guide. I have seen non agitator top-load washers that say it will cost $38 a year to run. I don't consider that efficient at all. And I know my old "water wasting" Whirlpool doesn't cost that much a year to run.
That's if the energy guide is available! Regardless, I do not consider $38 a year to be an expense whatsoever. That's chump change.
jaykay18 that's expensive for being "high efficiency". And I know someone who has a direct drive washer and they still have the energy guide and I believe it said $33 a year, but I could be wrong.
Through my testing, it appears that the direct drives do use more power, but it comes down to a matter of performance. You can get an HE washer and use less electricity, and have poor washing action, or get a direct drive, use more power, but actually get things DONE.
jaykay18 and with the poor washing action, you have to rewash the clothes to get them clean. Then you use the same amount of power and twice the water as a direct drive.
Yes! Here in NY, we have one of the most expensive water rates in the country (which would seem odd because we're on an island, surrounded by water). Water here goes for about a penny per gallon.
I've calculated the electricity that even my "non-energy-efficient" uses approximately 10 cents of electricity per entire load. We also have high electric rates, mind you.
If you figure that water is about 50 gallons, we're up to 60 cents. Then, detergent is going to cost about another 25 cents. So about 85 cents for a load of laundry around here. Fabric softener, scent boosters, and laundry additives available for an additional cost.
Seems that the water is the most expensive part of the equation around here.
Ohh btw um the HE washer that you are using has a deep fill button, so idk if where using that or the cycle without the deep fill cause I cloud not see the options you chose.
That's not my washer, but the deep fill option was selected.
jaykay18 ohh ok well still that's a lot of water that that HE uses for that small of a washer.
Water is what actually CLEANS stuff.
My he ge washer on a full load with the full rinse on probably also uses around 40 gallons total. It is truly a pointless design.
Yes, exactly! Saves you everything but the cash in your wallet.
I WISH my HE washer used more water. Half of my clothes dont even get wet 🙄
Exactly the point! If they don't get wet, they're not being washed! Where's the efficiency in that?
See? I told you!
Why didn't you just screw the water meter onto the hoses on the back of the washer, rather than fill them manually?
Are you going to move the machine out and then back again? Didn't think so. Neither was I. Besides, why tempt fate with a potential leak by disturbing them, when they are doing just fine being left alone?
I now see that you don't have the short rubber hoses that run directly from the back like the old Kenmore's
Yes, I have a custom setup I designed and built myself.
Thank God we're ditching our 2 year old HE washer and going back old school. The bearings are ruined and the agitator has broken loose! They are pieces of crap!
Congratulations on seeing the light!
Not just crap, but stupid crap!
Funny enough my parents own that exact model of he washer! Now there’s one thing I’d like to point out, and I’m in support of the direct drives don’t get me wrong, I own two of them! But he washers on a normal cycle, do use less water for sure, we have a gallons per day meter on out water softener and with nothing else changing but the washer used. Either the he machine or the direct drive, the direct drive did use more more. BUT!! It cleans significantly better, AND took less time to do it, he machines do use less what but ur sacrificing cleaning performance greatly. Although we don’t have any complaints abt our GE machine it does good, the deep fill is a lie might I add it never deep fills when we ask..
Even thou y’all don’t wanna hear it but he machines do use less! But they use more electricity for sure which is more important then water in my opinion
I had 2 videos testing those very phenomenons. Search my channel, you'll find them.
@@jaykay18 I saw the one abt he machines sitting and pulling power when they are off, I didn’t know about that till I watched your video. What was the other video besides this and the one testing electricity use?
@@harrycrafter18 Those two are it.
Though not by much, I guess my machine technically will use just a little bit more. Since the spray rinses are timed, and the pressure by me is a lot higher. And it also does that very quick 3rd spray rinse on the Regular cycle.
I think your machine would still win the battle against HE water usage even with those factors taken into account!
Oh no doubt of that! Just a little detail I happen to think of before.
Mine does the quick 3rd spray rinse now on the Heavy Duty cycle as well, but for a valid reason!
Thank you for your knowledge! I'm from Old School! Much better Education all around! So why then change an item that works Excellent, to only be replaced to a more time wasted, and MONEY? How can we get back Old School items that worked far much better than today's idiotic idea of washing clothes?
I give you men a 10!
Thank you so much Gayle!!! Unfortunately, we can't get these items back ever again. It's our corrupt government and EPA laws. They've ruined toilets, showerheads, washing machines, and take a look at the poor excuse for cars on the road today! Auto start/stop "technology"? All it does is wear out the car faster while falsely satisfying the EPA's requirements.
Blame liberal environmental activists forcing regulations on industries of which they are completely ignorant. They've ruined all appliances. Toilets are the worst. It can take three flushes to clear the bowl. The only good part of that is knowing I'm using even MORE water flushing multiple times than an old toilet flushing once.
7:10 those are actually the new shitty belt drives. I am not sure if those are comsiderded he washers though because my aunt has one just like that one and it dont say he on it
Yes, it is a belt drive model, but it is clearly marked as being an "HE" machine.
It's not scientific but it is close enough to be a believer...:)
Excellent, thank you!
i JUST GOT an HE, and it barely puts anyone water in the tub. it only puts as much as needed depending on your LOAD size. I don't know what you're going on about.
Yeah it's not enough water. You can't wash a full load of towels in 1 cup of water, it's impossible.
This video show what happens when the "deep fill" option of an "HE" washer is elected versus a traditional top loader. Chances are since you just got an HE washer you'll never understand, your old washer probably "used too much water and electricity", when, in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
jaykay18 you should redo do it with clothes so the machine can sense the load sizes. If you're doing a water saving comparison you have to do an over all comparison, with different load sizes. This comparison is inaccurate. Simply filling the tub isn't going to save water, that defeated the purpose.
I don't know what part about "we're not going for scientific accuracy", which I mentioned several times throughout the video you didn't understand. I also do not, and WILL NOT own an HE machine, that machine is owned by a fellow RUclipsr. And nobody is going to sit through 46 different options of an HE washer, not to mention the 3 hours it can take to do a load.
jaykay18 yeah I understand. But do you understand that your claims are wild? Not back scientifcitifly. then what is the point of your video and information?
If this channel had a budget of more than zero dollars per video, this could have been done more scientifically. So unless you want to start funding, just enjoy the ride.
had to find a video related to the subject I have at hand. Whirlpool and "Maytag" are making "commercial" machines now. Most likely to compete with Speed Queen. I found this video of a heavy duty Whirlpool belt drive. ruclips.net/video/oOZ9SD8rM0s/видео.html There's nothing heavy duty about this washer, as a matter of fact, its heavy doody. (Excuse my crappy joke lol). This thing's suspension is so bad that it went out of balance twice trying to go into the 1st spin and filled all the way up twice to correct itself. If they're trying to save the planet, they sure aren't doing a good job at it. HE washers DONT SAVE WATER!
I fully agree with everything you said. And I would have made the same joke! The commercial washers are a joke in and of themselves. The old-school washers did it all better.
There are some things where I believe in high efficiency and that it isn’t a scam, but this is definitely a scam, and yup, high efficiency washers seem to use more energy. One question: are all modern washers HE, Or are there some that aren’t? I don’t really know much about washers yet
For the most part, anything you buy today is HE. There are some exceptions, maybe some commercial washers, and the Speed Queen TC5. Otherwise, anything you'd find at the big box stores are going to be HE. You're best going to a used appliance shop and buying an old washer. Much cheaper too.
jaykay18 agreed. There are some good modern washers out there I’m sure, but your best bet is to get an older one.
@@fanshvacandmore14 There's not a single modern washer I would buy, except for a Speed Queen TC5.
jaykay18 yeah, I’ve heard nothing but good things about those
Looks like Automaticwasher.org just found this video. This'll be interesting.
Awesome!
Sharkie626 Those people on AW who say HE washers are better are idiots! I am not going to sugar coat it, but I am 18 and I act more mature than those idiots who say HE washers are better. Some of those people insulted me in that thread for me telling the truth of how HE washers don't clean, and in another thread they called me a fool for wanting a vintage Maytag HOH dryer.
Exactly the reason why I quit that site. I will not be part of a place where people outright insult others for no reason, and nothing gets done about it. The "hide posts" option that was introduced in 2014 is what helped me be happier about leaving. Can't just be adults and just not read posts one doesn't like, right?
Sharkie626 They didn't only insult me, but they insulted JayKay18 as well. Jay is not going to be happy when he reads the posts in that thread.
I actually don't think Jay will care. But I don't wanna speak for him. We'll see if he has anything to say about it.
What about the Speed Queen Top Load Washer?
I don't own that washer, nor do I have access to it.
52 gallons on the dot total. Large wash/one spray spin rinse/large rinse ;-)
Thanks Mr. Badger. =)
Clean the blue stuff, I’m worried about it.
Don't be.
America wouldnt need HE washers if they just used horizontal axis top-loaders like europe does
America doesn't need HE washers period. While other countries have their own design for not only washers but many other things, some designs are better than others. I do agree that European models certainly can do the trick, most laundromat washers here are like those. There is something about tradition and traditional designs in this country, and they keep trying to reinvent the wheel nowadays, just to squeeze three more cents out of the price of the design. Those three cents go places when multiplied by an inordinate number of people in this country.
jaykay18 Horizontal axis models clean better, spin faster, are more reliable and are more efficient. I would rather throw away tradition for those things
That's like trying to get America to convert to the metric system. It's not going to happen.
jaykay18 It will happen eventually, because it has to happen. Metric is superior to imperial, simply because its far more accurate and equal. Same goes for fahrenheit, celsius just is superior.
The benefits of switching are negligible, but the costs are huge. You can look at the article on wikipedia about metrication in the US. There have been some changeovers, but they're generally not taking away our gallons of milk, quarter pounders with cheese, 2x4s, and chances are it will always be miles/miles per hour. Not saying it's right, it just IS.
He washers are complete garbage! They waste water and money. Old school washers are the best! I have speed queen old school washer and love it!
Excellent, you know what's good!
Whay do you mean HE? New front load washers?
Almost any washer that's made today.
All of them!
my whirlpool he junk uses 2 times as much, water bill went up 13 dollars a month.electric bill went up 17 dollars per month.since it has to run 3 times as long,what a pile of garbage.
Exactly!
This proves nothing other than the fact that both types of top loaders are incredibly wasteful. Although the one with an agitator will at least get your clothes more or less clean. If you actually want to get clothes clean while using significantly less water, get a decent front loader. Preferably one that can heat its own water, like the European ones can.
There are no decent front loaders in the US.
Don't SpeedQueen make front loaders too? Or German brands like Miele and Bosch/Siemens?
Not that are available for home use here.
Well that sucks. In Europe you can get a decent front load Bosch/Siemens for less than 500 dollars
Those brands don't make washers here. Perhaps you're not aware, but we get the short end of the stick here on everything. All goods are made in China, no matter how much you pay, as such they fail in short order. Save for Speed Queen, which is still made in USA, but in general, there's just been a tremendous decrease in quality. I bought a garden hose reel that was made in USA, it was broken right out of the box. OK, that happens, got a replacement, that one broke within a week. Soda or pop or soda pop or whatever you might call it, is not sweetened with sugar, nor are juice drinks or anything that would have sugar in it. Nope, here we only get high fructose corn syrup, which doesn't taste anywhere near as good, and is killing us, all in the name of the almighty dollar. It's called Corporate America Greed, and it's running rampant in this country. Trust me, the USA is not "the land of the free" as it was once proclaimed to be.
Firstly,
Thank you for making this video! Thank you for questioning such things and taking the time to try to find out! I am tired of idiots with no brain that don't question such things, who just accept anything they are told as truth... Good on you, sir, for not being one of those turds! Seriously!
That being said...
This is not proof. This is a single piece of anecdotal evidence. I can say for certain that it is inaccurate. I could go through a disturbing list of reasons as to why it's wrong, but it would be a waste of time. A few years ago my washer died, it used approximately 25 gallons per load, I replaced it with a newer HE unit, of the same capacity, and it uses barely 13 gallons per load... So help me understand how you using two washers, with no clothes in them, from different manufacturers, different water supplies, different meters, and so on and so on, gives even remotely viable results? Instead of going through all of the rigamaroll of using a hose, and two different people with two washers, just read the water meter when washing your load, see what it reads and do the math... You overcomplicatef this test, and it negatively impacted your results.
As the saying goes, "I did the best I could with the tools I've got". And, like I've said to everyone else, if you want better results, send better equipment.
this is some facts, but why not plug the hose up into the fill hose of the machine?
The less anything is disturbed, the better. If I touch those hoses, they could start to leak, either right when I put them back, or after the whole thing. Seen it many times.
that’s true
H.E. washing machines are total garbage. We just had our old school machine go out so I went and bought the nicest Maytag for my wife thinking i would make this chore easier on her but ended up turning it into a nightmare fighting against the machine to get enough water in there to wash clothes.
To the brilliant designers at Maytag I would say; "You can't wash clothes properly in a 3" mud puddle dumb asses!" It's not more "efficient" if you have to wash clothes 3 times in order to get them clean!
I did fix this problem 100% though. Took this POS Maytag back to Lowes and got my money back and bought a Speed Queen TC5 washing machine. They are old school heavy duty commercial washing machines designed to last at least 25 years and can be serviced if something goes wrong. If you want to get your clothes clean I recommend getting one before the idiot tree huggers ban them.
You're a smart man. You realized the error in your ways, and corrected the issue. The SQ TC5, or an old Whirlpool Direct Drive will last forever. I have 2 direct drives myself, and I will never get rid of them. Anything breaks, I'll fix it.
@@jaykay18 It was my first experience with a HE model. I never dreamed a company that wanted to stay in business would expect someone to try to wash clothes in 3-4" of water.
@@bradcallaghan8099 You, and millions of others, believed the high efficiency hype. And that's exactly what it is--hype. The only thing green about this is the green that goes from your wallet to theirs. It's a total scam, and the same thing goes for old air conditioners, refrigerators, and dehumidifiers, the new ones don't last and break in only a few years. The money you "saved" on it being efficient is usurped by the high repair costs, or worse (and more effectively) replacement of the entire machine. Keep the old stuff you have, they don't make them like that anymore and they never will again.
The stupid idiot treehuggers think we're stupid! Save the planet my ass! HE is a lie!
This review does not make sense. How do you know the machine will hold the same amount of water when it had linens in it? I don't think a washer uses the same level to wash as it uses to rinse but I can be wrong. Either way that's a lot of water .
Both tests were done without linens, so that's a moot point. Regarding the rinse, it depends on the machine. The Whirlpool top loader that I have uses exactly the same water to rinse as it does to wash. Newer machines have a "fabric softener" switch. When on, it does a full refill and agitate cycle once again. With the switch off, it simply sprays while the basket spins, which is nowhere near as effective.
The other gentleman's machine was set with that switch ON, so it would refill for rinse the same amount, making this very valid.
jaykay18 that's what has me confused. HE washers only fill to the the level of the actual linens in the tub unlike regular machines which uses a preset level.🤔
The HE washer depicted was simply set to the "deep fill" option, which means it fills up to a certain setpoint no matter how many linens are in it.
I know that you said these have Toyota reliability. A lot of the post 2020’s Toyota’s are junk so far. This is especially true for the Tundra. It became the Tindra. My dad has an 02 4.7 with 220,000 miles on it. Shame on them. I guess they jumped ship like Whirlpool did with their washers.
I've heard the newer ones aren't so hot. Perhaps they've figured out that an inferior product will likely lead to new sales in the future.
Time will tell. It isn’t looking good for the engine recalls for main bearing failure in a turbo 6 engine. Their V8 engines were ultra reliable. Toyota’s previous generations were all solid. At least our 2019 Highlander’s design was from 2014. Some vehicles today can make 200,000 miles, but lots of them are pieces of junk. It’s like anything else.
@@applianceman6009 They should have never gotten rid of those V8s.
@@jaykay18 I like the Civics and Corollas because of how basic the 4 cylinder engines are and they actually pretty darn reliable. I stay away from forced induction unless it is diesel. Toyota has not YET compromised the Corolla. The new Hybrid Camry is actually pretty good. Their trucks and SUVs are screwed though for now. Bad mistake killing those engines indeed!!
@@applianceman6009 I'll take a V6 over a 4-banger any day. Impossible order to fill these days in a sedan. I'm going to hang on to my cars as long as possible, I don't care if they're 30, 40, 50 years old, I don't want anything to do with this new crap.
HE's don't use hardly any water. They don't fill the tub, they just put enough water in to cover the cloths, sometimes.
More like rarely. And let's not forget how much water they WASTE trying to balance the load. Fill and drain, fill and drain, fill and drain.
you do not even have a he washer and besides a HE washer today is belt driven not direct drive so don't go rambling about stuff that is inaccurate
Not all HE washers are belt drive. the whirlpool cabrio, maytag bravos, and Sears kenmore equivalent are direct drive. the motor shaft and spline is all one piece. I have an HE washer (I hate it) and there is no belt inside.
There's absolutely nothing inaccurate. The point was about water usage in a an older washer versus a newer one, whether belt or direct drive matters not. There will, however, be a video in the future regarding electricity usage, and I'm sure there will be similar findings.
That's not a HE machine. Our GE HE machine is saving us about $8 per month according to our water bill. Cleans so much better than an agitator model too.
INCORRECT! It's a GE Model GTW485ASJ0WS, look it up for yourself. They made (and still make) plenty of washers that are HE with agitators.
If you're so sure you're saving money on water, and that it cleans better than an older model, wait till it breaks in very short order, just outside of warranty. Then all you have to do it throw it out AND POLLUTE THE LANDFILL while you go and buy another one, NEGATING ANY SAVINGS YOU HAVE ACCRUED. Not to mention the GREENHOUSE GASSES and CARBON FOOTPRINT that are created for them to manufacture it. There's absolutely nothing green about them.
Sorry, has to have an infuser in order to be a true HE top loader.
If it need superfluous parts to be considered something terrible anyway, I don't want it!
da fuck is an "infuser?" LMAO XD
It’s the thing next to the flux capacitor! Lol!
I’m a little late to the party
But your math and method is off.
You need to understand how a washer works and why. As well as exactly what you get with an HE washer.
HE washers have to by law have a high efficiency setting. As in a setting that is going to save you overall threw out the cycle.
What does this mean?
One more efficient motors. Two lower water temp usage (temp setting the washer is using are lower than before. Using mixing valves. So the washer draws less hot water from your household hot water)
And less water
Now first an foremost on most of them machines you can by pass the Most efficient cycle by selecting a larger wash load, second rinses. Deep rinse cycles. Ect ect.
So where is you mistake?
First on the spray rinse. Your calculating water flow from a garden hose direct off a tap.
Your not factoring in that the fact that the washer water valves are restricted and let in less water over the same period. (Initial fill and deep rinse cycles will use the pressure switch to monitor volume. But the spray rinse sprays for a set time)
And the big one. You took the washers initial fill and multiplied by 2 to determine water use. The will be reasonably accurate for your standard washer but way way off on your HE, as no proper HE washer gives a deep rinse on your preset cycles. They only do a spray rinse. (Again for a preset time not a volume full) you can by pass this and select a deep rinse cycle but then your not properly using the machine as it was intended.
So if you want to get a proper reading of water usage you should have two meters one on the hot and one on the cold. And let the washer do it’s own thing.
If you use the proper he setting and auto filling on your HE washer you will notice a large difference in water usage.
PS. Your washer that you first showed filling. Was over full Water level should not be at the bottom roll of the drum as it was. I’d recommend calling an appliance tech and having them check your pressure switch and tubing because it was slow to respond in switching to agitate.
I think you're not only late to the game, you've missed the tailgate party as well. The video I showed in the end of the washer I compared it to was set to deep fill, and deep fill for rinse, so yes, multiplying the wash fill by 2 did the trick for that.
I did not use hot water at all for this test, so no need to measure that.
The spray rinse was certainly not as accurate because the full flow of water from the hose was allowed through my meter, but the washer will attenuate the flow slightly, so it actually uses less.
I have no need for an appliance tech, I can do all my own work on the machines, and have. If you look through other videos on my channel you'll see I've done a number of washer repairs for people. I've also specifically adjusted the water level in this washer to where you see it because I WANTED it set there.
jaykay18 so I’m confused by what your trying to prove with your video.
You purposefully by pass the benefits of a water saving machine and claim on you tube for all to see that there at no water saving benefits to an HE machine.
Which is just false. If used properly there are water savings to be had.
For 75% of the washing most people do you don’t need that much water. But the washers have those settings so you can have it when you do need excess water. (Bulky or excessively dirty items.)
“I bought a fuel efficient car but if I leave it in second gear on the highway it uses just as much fuel as my old car there fore it’s not fuel efficient at all”
Water is what cleans the articles in the machine. Less water means it doesn't clean as effectively. An HE washer left at its default settings will leave the articles still dirty and dingy after an hour and a half of all that "washing". This video proves that even if you set your HE machine to "non-HE mode" with deep fills and rinses, it's actually LESS efficient than the old standby top loader.
I have a fuel efficient car, in fact it has 6 gears. I let it get up to top gear as often as it can, yet it still averages only 6 or 7 MPG over my classic, with an engine that was never designed for fuel-efficiency, and has TWICE the displacement. Not terribly efficient. Personally, I'd rather drive the classic around, get my 10 MPG, and get there in style and with performance. Top gear in that car is 3, no overdrive or other shenanigans.
jaykay18 you missed my point with the car analogy
If used properly (loading, clothing type, soap quality). An HE washer will clean as well as an old one. Without the excessive ware on your clothes. No this doesn’t mean that it will clean every things as well. There is always a trade off. If you work on a farm or all day in the mud and grime then yes on the HE settings it won’t clean as well. There is always a trade off. But again that doesn’t mean if used properly there is no benefit. As you eluding to. It’s just false.
Learn how the washer is designed to run. Run it properly. HE washers are not for everyone. But that doesn’t mean they work for no one. .
They only work for those who are forced to use them and believe in the hype. Because that's my point--I'd rather have a machine do its job than save water.
awesome video he washers never saved any water it's just a way they clam it saves water so they can sell them as water savers. No washer compares to a speed queen
Absolutely, it's all false marketing claims as usual!
Never has, never will!