What is so questionable is the police response to a Boston Cop dead! I’ve seen police response to an officer down, and every police officer responds, dropping everything. Even the local police treated the scene like John was some homeless stranger . Then the special unit had to wait until nightfall to search due to higher ups? Again, John was one of their own. Why in the world would they need special permission in his case? Even the assistant police chief that lived across the street didn’t come out and see what was happening. Everything in this investigation can be challenged.
💯 My brother is a first responder and that alone is what captured my interest in the case. Something just did not sit right about that. Then I just got fully sucked in.
That's true. It doesn't make sense that they just carelessly handle the whole scene and John like that. They acted like they're weren't upset or surprised that he was found in thay condition. Didn't seem like any sense of urgency at any point. It's just horrible.
John may have been one of their own but so were the Albert’s. Even if there isn’t a conspiracy, there wasn’t an investigation into them and that was a privilege. Sad that it was so botched we may never known what happened to JO
I find it crazy that these troopers say they've NEVER investigated a crime in the snow. That is just hard to believe. The forensic lady who took swabs is just wild. She only swabbed 1 solo cup?? And used 1 swab for ALL the shirt holes?? And a single TINY John O'Keefe hair was found stuck on the bumper in the snow, driven around Canton in a BLIZZARD??? And a piece of glass??? Come the f*ck on!!!!
This is what I'm saying but then you have people screaming oh the defense is reaching and pulling at straws! 🤦♀️ are we on the same planet? Watching the same trial? Even IF Karen Read hit him, the investigation is BOTCHED. The chain of custody was not followed. PERIOD. So either way she should be found not guilty.
In truth, she should have refused to test any of them! They were not collected per any standards, stored correctly, nor was there ANY chain of custody.
The magic hair. Somehow stuck to her car while driving around Canton, but also managed to hang on when she drove 40mi to her parents house in Dighton, then while being towed back from Dighton to Canton. In a blizzard. High wind and heavy falling snow. Somehow the snow didn't land on the hair and fall off. John must have used some serious hair gel. OR it was planted.
I would also be frustrated with the Judge constantly berating lawyers and witnesses to speak louder and then turn off the air conditioner. Get bet mikes judge.
I can tolerate a lot, but turning off the air conditioning is a just a step too far. If the room temperature eeks past 72 degrees I am the f*ck out of there. How the loud can this air conditioning system be? Is it as prehistroic as their microphones?
So what I heard was they waited the entire day until it was dark again to search the scene. Hours upon hours of an unsecured scene. This has to be a bad movie plot.
8hrs and more than a foot of snow later. And somehow, they find more "evidence" than the original officers who were there when John was initially found.
You know what sealed Karen Reed's innocence for me was the fact that 5 pieces of glass lays loosely on the back bumper and the hair just moves from photographing it , thats how loosely its on the side of the car. so neither the glass or the hair fell of when towing the car back to the sallyport. To top all of this, the sallyport camera conveniently stops working for 42mins. I call BS.
I watched, rewatched and rewatched again. The bottom of the hair moves. It's not a perspective change. The salt stains used as reference make it easy to see.
NOT to MENTION, that there was FAR LESS snow on the ground during the initial search, YET, miraculously, these items were suddenly found. I’m SMH!! Anyone else?? 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@jannater28 I will never look at a leaf blower again without flashbacks of that idiotic video. I can't believe they decided leaf blower, beer pong cups, and used grocery bag but didn't think seal off crime scene, tarp/tent the area to prevent further tampering or accumulation of snow, and call the evidence team asap.. They also keep blaming the blizzard like conditions. They fail to mention the 5+ days of weather models and forecasts that predicted the behavior of the blizzard to near 100 percent accurracy. How could so many people be so incompetant on this day?
The so called ‘EVIDENCE” IS MOOT when there is ZERO Chain of Custody. None of it matters when there’s no accountability for preserving a crime scene. END FULL STOP
💯 and even if there was blood on that tail light and skin tissue it still would not matter it is impossible for him to have the injuries of being beaten to death and claimed that he was hit by a 6,000 lb SUV and dragged. Humanly impossible. He would have gross bodily injuries
No ..I think even if Karen takes responsibility...what she began to do in the first true emotionally hours of this case , you will still bee bias and take the route of what America likes.....drama and cover-ups@@primalcritters
Since every cop and fed and their wives sisters and gf's were drink driving that night and were all comfortable with it, it shows me the entire force is happy and at total ease to break the law on a consistent basis. That alone is scary.
Re: scope of cover up. I don’t think everyone needs to be involved. Just be willing to not ask questions or probe into inconsistencies and potentially questionable procedures
Drinking and driving is a legal drug and too many people drink and drive not just the people at the after party Group, so it’s not fair to the families of Law Enforcement that drink responsibly ✌️
@@WhiteRose360-ji8wcyeah that’s why THIS specific group is under such scrutiny. They were directly and indirectly involved in the circumstances that led to his death and the subsequent investigation and trial. And they were all breaking the law from the jump.
THE FBI INVESTIGATION: 1. The FBI have investigated the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” allegedly involving the Alberts, the McCabes and certain members of LE, etc, for around a year now and thoroughly (even calling on a Federal Grand Jury and seeking and obtaining evidence including from all the alleged people allegedly involved in the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory”). 2. Consequently, the FBI have not laid any charges against any person, nor have they or the defense team, filed a motion seeking an injunction (to the superior court) to stay this trial pending any further action or outcome of the investigation (appears the investigation is over and the defense team know this and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise). 3. Further, the lead investigator (Michael Proctor) is still working for the Police Department, therefore indicating there is no wrongdoing on his part. 4. The only person charged with any offences and on trial relating to JO’s death…is still solely KR (whether some people like it or not). 5. Therefore it can, and must, be taken, there was no alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” and it is O.V.E.R! 6. For any person to suggest otherwise and continue to rant on that there was a “frame job” and a “conspiracy theory”, or refer to any matter/s related/associated with such (and at times being said with such irrational certainty and alleged facts - which cannot be deemed as facts in the above circumstances), is consequently suggesting that the FBI are knowingly allowing an alleged murderer/s, and any other person/s aiding and abetting, to remain free and not face any charges, whilst allowing an (allegedly known) innocent person (KR) to go to trial upon (allegedly known false) charges, along with allowing the tax payers to pay millions of dollars for the trial. 7. This seems highly unlikely and improbable and contradicts (as above) an investigation having already been undertaken and no action being taken against any person/s by the FBI after a thorough investigation and Federal Grand Jury and over a lengthy and significant period of time. 8. But rather such allegations are a desperate attempt to be wilfully ignorant and in denial, and/or, to create “smoke and mirrors” and a “red herring fallacy”, that are generally speaking a total waste of time and space and that ultimately go nowhere as it were. * The conversation ends there *!
I'm trying to figure out how being hit by a car can cause small punctures in a jacket sleeve. So far, it looks like almost every witness that the prosecution has called has actually benefitted the defense. Not to mention how one of the lab people just picks a random solo cup to swab & leaves the rest. This entire thing is absolutely appalling.
@@barbaramay1866 That is plausible, but that is not the point. Remember, the cops didn't know what happened. They found a dead guy in the snow on a lawn and there was blood nearby. Could all be John's, sure. But what if John got into a fight with a yeti or some dealer he busted in boston saw him and killed him for revenge? That could happen too and to know (or rule it out) the PD would have to test that blood in a proper way. Because that is the only way you could ever know. Not only could they not because it was secured very poorly, but then still it was also tested poorly.
@@hkr667 It was Karen Read who fake found John, not the cops. The other two women who were searching with her didn't see him because he was buried in the snow, so how did Karen know that it was John when her two friends only saw a snow bank? Yes, it could have been a Yeti, I suppose, but I think a yeti I would have carried John to safety rather than hurt him. The contents of the Solo cups weren't tested after all, right? The cops did the best they could in rather harsh conditions.
My forensic training summounts to what ive learned from watching trials and tv shows and using my common sense. Even I, a layman in England, am freaking STUNNED by the lack of forensic procedure in this case! This whole case is an embarrassment to the people of Canton. Watching this from the UK and wondering how this whole dang case wasnt tossed out of court amid laughter. I feel terrible for officer John O'Keefe's family
I'm also curious, could the snowblower have blown the "tail light" over there? Or could it have gotten there throughout the day by innocent means? I think by the time it was found, it's too late to assume it HAD to be related to the scene.
Also, how does a car travel all around durimg a blizzard and yet hair is still lying on the side of the vehicle. And pieces of glass are on the bumper undisturbed at all. It leaves me disturbed!
That's not how a search in snow works. They have to dig, with shovels, dump out the snow from the shovel and then check to see if the contents of the shovel contains any material. The reason the shoe was so dug in is because it would have been seen by the search team before hitting a shovel because of it's size and weight.
@@birtajonsdottir9910 That's how a search works in Canton. Your example works in the rest of the world. Apparently Canton has different ways of doing things.
It's unfortunate because at the end of the day, there's a dead man & police officer. The prosecution flubbing this case up so bad we may never know what happened to this poor guy.
@@bendoubleu7516 😂 like who? If you think theres not enough on Karen theres even less on Anyone else. If anything they are all in cahoots, the karens and the Alberts.
Personally if I lived in Canton I would demand my local taxes back! The majority of local “professional” agencies I have seen need to at the very least get some continuing education in their respective professions! It is really embarrassing how incompetent they all are.
You mean, we're not all supposed to be worried that cops are going to search our phones for nudes when we're trying to help them solve our loved ones murder?!?
And these guys have “years experience” and are paid very well. It’s disgusting. I would hire new leadership that demands more of its people, training and refreshers, tightening of protocols.
I've heard that the whole town of Canton is in uproar over this case. People are divided significantly with about 80% supporting Karen and about 20% still believing the police are good and did everything right and the Alberts are honest. Unfortunately, the truth is the Albert's attacked him in the basement, punching him so hard causing the two black eyes cut on his nose he fell back hit his head lost 3 l of blood on that basement floor, had a seizure and vomited and began dying. While they were attacking him, Chloe who was also in the basement I talked to his arm staring at his shirt causing the holes and tearing at his flesh. Then they threw him on the lawn to pretend he got hit by a snow plow driver and Jen McCabe got to work googling how long to die in the cold. Unfortunately Karen found him first and so they had to frame her
It's been 4 weeks now and the Commonwealth still hasn't had a single moment in the trial that has gone anywhere near proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Karen and John were even fighting, let alone that she hit him, or did it intentionally..
It's because they don't have any evidence of that happening! Their job right now is to help these officers and their friends and family not go to prison.
According to opening statements Karen said herself that they had a fight to one of the emergency room staff. But prosecution has not called in any ER staff to testify to that (so far).
@@hkr667 But like we both said, till this point the Commonwealth still haven't even proven they were arguing that night.. They may call this rumoured ER person but they still haven't a month in. Literally all they have is Karen freaking out when he was found saying something to the effect of "could i have hit him" "did i do this?" and the broken pieces of tail light that could easily have fallen off the car when she was back at the scene in the morning. Especially the way the evidence was recovered, leaf blower could easily blow glass from Karens tail light, but she is on CCTV backing into a car and hitting EXACTLY that tail light. Either Karen is a criminal mastermind that was able to murder a Police officer in the yard of another officer while people where coming and going from the house, then staged the broken tail light on CCTV.
This would have been so much easier if they tented off the area so snow wouldnt accumulate over the scene but then i guess that makes it harder to potentially plant stuff.
If John's clothes were on the floor of the ambo, then the ER room, then stored wet, It doesn't matter if the chain of control was impeccable at forensics it was already contaminated and the blood DNA would degenerate.
AND there are explanations that *could* explain that BUT the fact that the prosecution doesn't even try.... leaves me thinking there's no evidence of the possible justifications I could think up.
John’s body was covered in snow. Why would anyone think the shoe wasn’t also covered in snow.? When he was killed the snow had just started to accumulate. Good grief.
Was it confirmed to be his shoe? In opening statements the defence said it was missing. So is it not his shoe or was it lost after being discovered? Anyone know?
Lally takes one step forward and when the defense finishes he’s 100 steps back. It’s really quite interesting to just watch this as a match between Lally and AJ. Lally is so outmatched here. Then I remember this is a trial. A man lost his life and a woman is fighting for her freedom and this is a complete circus and it’s so sad.
Yup. It makes the successful points of the defence so much sadder. John get declared dead, everyone keeps saying that EVERYONE knew Karen confessed on scene…and they didn’t bother to try to get a crime scene team until 5 hours later and even then they haven’t even submitted the request and so it wait another 1-2 hours?
It is sad. She should have pled guilty when it happened rather than putting everyone through this now after concocting her fictional story of utter madness.
It was closer to 8pm. Karen's car was towed around 5pm by Proctor. To the sallyport, which coincidentally was missing the footage of her car being brought in. So yes, plenty of time to plant evidence, for sure!
Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
I think that was still another fake balloon that the defense floated. I believe Higgins said it should be available on surveillance video. I hope it will show up at trial.
@@catherinetierney4834 Defense specifically said "missing". If it was not allowed in the judge certainly would have scolded him for that mischaracterization.
The judge needs to move Lally along. I feel like she is always cutting the defense off on time, yet Lally is spending hours asking repetitive questions to his witnesses. He doesn’t seem like he even listens to their response. I’m reaching the point where I don’t want to even listen to his direct examination of witnesses. He won’t speak up, he’s monotone and he what if anything’s his way through just about every question. I didn’t know much about this case before but I am not seeing anything that makes me think that Officer O’Keefe was hit by a car going backwards in the snow at 24 mph. I’m not saying the Albert’s and the McCabe’s are guilty of anything other than acting really suspicious for a bunch of witnesses. The deleted messages, multiple butt dials, rehomed phones, and the reporting of who was talking to the police and what they were saying, along with Trooper Proctors shady behavior looking for nude photos of Karen Read and going through her phone without a search warrant. Jennifer McCabe’s testimony was so disturbing that it actually made me not trust anything that she said. It felt like she was there to exact revenge. This was my outsider, uninformed opinion. Jen and friends remind me of a cheer or dance moms to the extreme. I’m a former competitive gymnast and dancer/ cheerleader and saw plenty of them during my years in competition.
@@SolomonLandscapingDid I miss hear the lieutenant say he was advised to look in a particular area and lo and behold there were many pieces? (Shattered light).
@@Romovictorio you definitely heard it right. Really odd since when there was only two inches of snow on the ground the canton police magically cldnt find one piece of tail light nor a sneaker by the curb . At this point it’s mind boggling how anyone cld think Karen’s guilty if they dove into this case.
I don't know why,I'm not a lawyer or really knowledgeable about the law, but it's really sticking with me that only one of the solo cups blood was tested instead of ALL six samples ..... just seems so irresponsible to say the least
Right and then they took her vehicle for 90 minutes and during that time they removed the tail light that looks whole, and then smash a bunch of pieces to take back to the crime scene to spread around! Out of that 90 minutes of surveillance video in the Sally port, 45 minutes of it is missing!
@@KayInMaine it really looks like something bad and fishy going on through the investigation for sure! John should have been handled by all the best procedures to figure out what actually happened
Not only was only one cup was swabbed, but it was NEVER tested. She testified to that. They did NO DNA testing on that swab. So, we have no idea who that blood really belonged to. If there was a fight, as the defense alleges, that blood could have been from someone else.
@@amandamacabre She's so damn incompetent I don't know what she's doing, but it sure as hell ain't about finding out the truth. I heard some gobblygook excuse about her trying to be fair. That's BS because being fair would be about justice and the truth. Not about playing referee between the lawyers and handicapping one side to make things fair. This ain't some stupid game. This is real life!
Oh wow I just realized that I was gifted a membership.. I don’t know who gifted me the membership but thank you so much I appreciate it and am sorry that I’m just now seeing it
Just want to mention, I'm in a fb group related to this case. Someone posted asking for an unbiased lawyer to watch on RUclips for recaps-almost every comment (including mine of course) was referring her to your account! 😊
I can maybe believe the shoe was missed earlier. I have a huge problem with the tail light. Nobody saw it that morning. Only a few pieces found by CRT. And THEN Proctor goes back repeatedly and keeps finding pieces. Nope. I ain’t buying it.
The first responding officers talked about how they cleared off the curb when they were there to check for evidence and they never found the shoe or taillight. They called it a "cape cod berm" in their testimony.
Problems with all this. Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
At the time there was NO suspicion that anything happened in the house! There was no suspicion that anyone in that house was involved. John never made it into the house. There was no reason to search the house!
@@barbaramay1866If they had no clue what happened to John but it was clearly murder which they did know everyone should be a suspect. Especially the people who’s home has a dead police officer laying on their front lawn. If the homeowner was not a police officer that house would have been searched as having a dead person on your lawn in enough to enter or get a warrant to enter.
I don't understand why the investigation didn't get started for 12+ hours after O'Keefe was found and taken to hospital.the scene was unsecured that whole time??
Totally agree! Not a lot of car people chiming in. I'm 55 and a car guy but not an expert. I've owned many many cars and crashed some of them. Ain't no way backing into a guy's face breaks a taillight into that many pieces. I've heard CW thinks she was going 24mph. Anyone ever drive in reverse at 15mph? Very scary and difficult to control the car. PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T TEST OUT THIS THEORY! Probably should not have mentioned.
"Tell them the guy never went into the house", Matt McCabe. "Colin was not at the house when John was there", Ally McCabe. "Hos long to die in the cold", Jen McCabe. Butt dial after butt dial and a single hair on a car that made it hundreds of miles without falling down despite travelling through a blizzard. Hos long does it take to turn a tragedy into an international comedy?
Add to that zero bodily injuries from being hit by a 6000 lb SUV that supposedly hit him and ran him over. Humanly impossible to have no bodily injuries from such an impact. The fact is he was punched in the face in the basement where he got two black eyes a cut on his nose and fell back hit his head causing the blunt force trauma which then caused him to lose three liters of blood, vomit, and have a seizure. All that blood on the basement floor is why they ripped up the flooring before they quickly sold the home and got rid of their phones and dog. And yes, while the owners were attacking him Chloe attacked his arm. They realized they took the fight too far, and instead of calling 911, they put him in the lawn to pretend a snow plow driver hit him on accident. Unfortunately Karen found him first and that foiled their plans. While he was actively dying, that's why Jen McCabe searched how long to die in the cold.
Interesting explanation but who would go out to the street and stand there waiting for a snowplow they see coming to hit him? It’s not like he’s going to stand outside at end of yard waiting for an Uber in the snow.
@primalcritters Yep, you're spot on! Karen accidentally backing into John's car and cracking her taillight sealed her fate of having to deal with this travesty!
Yup! There's also what appears to be a partial bloody paw print in a drag mark on a sweatshirt! It's like Chloe had stepped in some of his blood and jumped up on him and left that pattern!
If a running shoe was on the kerb where they claim it was all that time , don’t you think a snow plugh would have moved it on when they plughed the street
So far I'm absolutely shocked that they brought these charges. Waste of tax payers money. DA should of never tried this case. Makes Canton look so bad nation wide.
It makes Karen Read and the conspiracy theorist Turtle look bad. It took over 40 hours of phone calls between Read and turtle to come up with this cockamamie coverup story.
4 I've been following this case for so long all of the hearings..... haven't missed a day of trial and today I was questioning what am I doing can I even finish this first off it just seems so absurd that this case is even at trial I just keep asking myself why did they bring this case it's absurd and it should be embarrassing to them
Those holes in his shirt look like a tooth hole! Maybe from the dog. The prosecution is toast and the defense per normal is killing it! Why they chose Lally for this case is unbelievable!!
I have watched expert dog trainer with decades of police dog training say the arm wounds are dog bites. It looks like scratches because the teeth ripped the flesh as John instinctively pulled back. The arm is often bitten as a person would defensively throw up their arm if a dog lunged
I’ve of course watched several sources during this trial but you always break things down in the easiest to follow way! We love and appreciate you Peter! #freekarenread #justiceforjohnokeefe
The pieces of tailight found by the SERT team were almost pristine! They spent 15 hours in the snow, but there is no frozen snow embedded in these pieces of tailight? The transparent pieces were clean! Not a thin layer of frost, you could see through them!
My mother says that all the time. In fact, I would say that this whole case is precariously perched on Lady justice. Lady Justice will only see Justice once the Alberts and mccabes are arrested for murder
It's crazy they can't afford to update the sound system in the courtroom. Yet, MA has millions to rehab the former Norfolk Co jail to house illegals. And in Boston, they're discussing reparations. Shows where the states priorities are.
If she hit him with the SUV, and it seems like they’re inferring his head was hit by the car because of the hair, there would surely be tissue left behind right? I mean if the hair stuck around that long, how did “tissue” wash away?
How can they appeal an objection if the judge doesn’t let them give a reason? She only lets them say “objection”, instead of giving a legal basis for it. I’ve never seen a judge do that before 🤔
I agree, it's weird and definitely not the norm as compared to other cases we've seen. In Massachusetts and in Maryland, it's pretty standard, though. I hate it too, but when it comes to the appeal, the lack of stating a basis on objection basically preserves any and all reason for the objection. So, if they were to state the basis, that basis is the only one preserved for appeal. Not stating the specific basis preserves all basis. I hope I explained that well enough lol I still feel like no basis makes the job of the appellate court much more difficult, because then they have to read thru the entire record to understand what the objection could be. And Lally seems to object every time he's scared of an answer.
This case is upsetting because Lally is supposed to represent the interests NOT ONLY of the Commonwealth BUT ALSO those of Karen Read, because she is part of the Commonwealth. The way that is done by DAs is 1) to not bring cases that aren't solidly and strongly EVIDENCE BASED and 2) not to use vague, obfuscating, or disingenuous trial tactics. Lally seems to be doing both and it is not OK!! 😡
This comment makes no sense, I’m sorry. Lally is building the case. Her attorneys will defend her in due time. Did you watch today? John’s hair is on the SUV. The drinking glass, the one he left the bar with, shards are on the SUV. The straw from the glass he left the bar with and the glass was on the ground where his body was found. Please review the evidence.
I think the previous witnesses called by the prosecution have brought on so much doubt, that the evidence is now clouded by the suspicious behavior/activity of the witnesses.
He had zero broken bones, and no injuries at the abdomen or below. He has defensive wounds on his hands.alcohol obviously involved i think higgins told JO Karen kissed him & they had words one thing lead to another and albert got in on it to & colin. So the dog tried to defend and thats how the injuries on his arm are like that!!
(1) At what point did police determine they were looking spefically for a cracked tail light? (2) Is it common practice to tell the evidence search team what to search for? In my opinion, this could create a situation where they are so focused on looking for A, B, and C that they stop looking as soon as they find it and thus overlook X, Y, and Z. (3) Since the weather was such a factor, and since everyone knew it was going to continue to snow long into the afternoon and night, why would they not tarp the scene, or tent it? I've not been able to listen to everyday of the trial, but I try to watch recaps nightly. Has anyone testified to snow depth when John's body was found? Has anyone testified to the snow depth the sneaker was found, at what depth was the cracked tail light found. All these details are so important when trying to piece this case together. I don't understand at all how so many people got so much wrong on this day.
Protecting the scene would make sense unfortunately sense and Canton can’t coexist. It’s a miracle they have actual photos and not some crayon drawings of evidence at this point.
@@mafortu9032 LOL. I saw the photos they showed in trial today and I'm thinking crayon drawings would have been better. I was squinting, zooming, turned every light in my office on and off just trying to figure out the photos. But, I really loved the photo of the white disc with the black background... I immediately thought it looked like a satellite image of Antarctica. This case is just a true comedy of errors. I should have quit watching when they rolled out the leaf blower video.
Didn’t officer Gallagher, one of the first 5 witnesses or so, testify and confirm that they DID break the taillight was broken more when they were taking it out?? I swear I. Remember this!
I don’t recall them having pictures of it, maybe defense asked if they documented it, but I definitely remember him saying they broke it more! Glad you recall this too, because it hasn’t been brought up again & I was starting to think I was crazy! So much going on in this trial!!
Tiny pieces of clear glass not embedded into car, but on top of bumper happen to nake it thru a snowstorm a 30 minute drive by towdriver! Just still laying on top
I’ve witnessed first hand many who’s parents are law enforcement get away with all types of crimes . Then those same people become law enforcement while others who worked hard to try to become law enforcement in Massachusetts never succeeded. Obviously many just trust the police and the judicial system. If you could see what I’ve seen first hand you wouldn’t think twice about this being a cover up.
@@elise2096 no from today's witnesses. O'Keffe's death was 01/29/22 and the clothes were entered in evidence 03/14/22. The dates are bizarre. Even the forensic evidence wasn't tested until later in 2023.
He kept it because he’s a detective and knows that a wet shirt not preserved correctly creates all types of molds and bacteria. This causes dna retrieval useless due to contamination. Looks clear to me that he was helping his buddy Brian Albert out .
@@elise2096no. It came out in court yesterday. The evidence was submitted to the lab on March 14th and supposedly collected the day after he was found. So he had the clothes sitting around somewhere for 6 weeks. But it seems like there is no evidence log so he never logged it as evidence and it just shows up out of nowhere at the lab in March.
The shoe makes sense. If Karen hit him, it would be there. If they dumped him outside, they would plant the shoe and the glass at the same time. Since no one found the shoe in morning, it would obviously be covered. The tail light was NOT in the Alberts' possession at the time the would have left him there, and would have to be planted later.
I’d bet all my cards on this theory. There were words. Perhaps folks came outside to her defense. A fight ensued. Or maybe he sat in the curb as she drove away. Either way Higgin’s snow plow hit him and they are all covering it up.
I would certainly believe that Higgins’ plow was utilized at some point, but to say that this is what killed JO would lead to the same issues we have now… how to explain away JO’s lack of trauma to other than his head, and how to explain the scratches on JO’s arm.
And Chloe was out there to tear John's arm? Nope. He was beat unconscious by the Brians or maybe just Higgins ( that could be why nobody wants to place his Jeep there because he was there) while being attacked by Chloe. Jen McCabe does a Google search at 2:27am to find out how long it takes to freeze in the cold and that's when they brought John's unconscious body to the front lawn and he froze to death. Jen deleted a lot of her texts from that morning.
My biggest problem w today's testimony was everyone recognizing Canton PD were "conflicted out" yet even AFTER that the CAR is towed by MSP to CANTON PD (from over 30 -40 miles away in a Blizzard) & the blood tech person went to Canton to gather the evidence AND the MSP CERT guy stated his team's composition was it's strength YET ADMITTED there were 3-4 UNKNOWN (UNNAMED) Canton PD officers in plainclothes! WHAT? He knew by 6 pm the Canton PD were "conflicted out" but doesn't care the conflicted pd are THERE?! Seems odd. Final shock today was the almost 2 MONTHS btwn clothes (left at hospital maybe?) on Jan 29th, doesn't get taken to Lab -or bagged & tag says March 14th. So where were all those clothes btwn 1/29 & 3/14th? No one addressed the chain of custody but if like all over evidence, going to assume they were somewhere w Canton PD.
I’m very intrigued by this case!! 👀👀 Honestly, I’m not on either side, I’m just patiently waiting for the truth .. if that will ever come - Of course, it was a little boring today butttt it all come with it! I really hope they call Proctor!! I’m ready to hear what he has to say 🧐 **edited to sayyyy, I really hope John gets true justice! Because in the end that’s all that matters! Bless his Soul 🫶🏽
Appreciated your comment. I think the reason I get more and more angry with all the Free KR there is no concern for justice for this fallen officer. Heart breaking.
@@marlbboro8091 What? No, I think Karen isn't guilty and I'm angry that the investigation was so botched because there will never be a way to prove what really happened to him. I think most people understand an innocent man lost his life. We just don't want to ruin someone else's life without proof of guilt..
I feel the same way! Then when we hop on here with Peter and he breaks it down and points it out, it becomes even more obvious. They seem like they are defensive, taking this personally, or don't want to give a wrong answer ect. But if they just say yes, no or honestly they do not know, it looks WAY better. Moving right along but when they skip around, push back, argue, it does not look good.
@@Steve-YT383 or just do what they are doing. Lawyer you know even says they have the right to explain, not everything is yes and no or agreeable. They are on the stand.
@@Babyd320Nahhh. The prosecution has actually proven she’s innocent. There is no evidence that ties her directly to the crime scene. The person who’s guilty is Jennifer MacCabe.
Our country indeed needs to be REFORMED ACROSS THE BOARD. I WONDER HOW MANY INNOCENT PPL HAVE BEEN CONVICTED AND SENT TO PRISON OR BEEN EXECUTED. THESE COPS SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
Chain of custody of evidence is outrageously appalling. Where is the lead investigator? Usually walking the jurors through the what happened and all the evidence. Proctor was driving around with John O’Keefe’s clothes for weeks. Where is he? I have no idea how the Prosecutor can get me over the reasonable doubt that continues to build every day of trial. How does a hair and pieces of glass stay on the car in a blizzard from the Albert’s house, to O’Keefe’s house to another city and back to Canton?? Justice for John O’Keefe.
I’ve sit through some boring stuff in my time and I am really invested in the trial but I was bored AF today.. so greatful I can listen to you sum it up instead
I felt the same way. She was trying to be straightforward and honest and helped the prosecution but you could tell that she thought it was rubbish as well
Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
I live in Canada..... Those pictures of the fresh snow have been altered... that is NOT what freshly fallen snow looks like. First... snow is NOT THAT WHITE & it DOES NOT LOOK LIKE COTTON BALLS placed on top of dirty snow from the road. If that piece of taillight was there that long it would of sunk!!!!
Are you kidding me. My fresh fallen snow is pure bright white until the plows arrive. Between wind, drifts, and plows pieces could have been shuffled around. It happens.
Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this trial with all of us. 💗 I always learn something new. I hope that everyone has a wonderful evening. 💞 I hope that you will cover some of the juror interviews from the Chad Daybell trial.
Wasn´t there a witness last week that testified that there was no visible trauma on JO´keefes body below the face? just the scratches on the arm? So if she hit him with the car, so hard that he flew across and was so badly injured he couldn´t get help, shouldn´t he have impact trauma wounds where the car hit him? Bruising where the car hit him hard, not just scratches? That bothers me.
Lilly makes it so hard and difficult to follow…Compliments it she said her lab doesn’t text for DNA so they don’t know where hair came from. I was waiting for the most important evidence and it never came.. after ALLL Laly’s LONG explanation how to look at hair, what’s the root, shaft… we got nothing!
I think some people are making the conspiracy too big. They think everyone that was at the party and later the crime scene is in on it. I think the conspiracy is MUCH smaller. I think it's MM, JM, BA, BH, and I know the defense is pointing the finger at Collin, but I'm not buying that. MAYBE Nicole. I think the scene was compromised, Higgins had opportunity to plant evidence in the Sally Port. The Alberts can obviously dump the tail light pieces on their own yard whenever. I think the police work was a mix of incompetence and trusting a fellow cop and ATF agent would be on the up and up, but they're not actively trying to frame anyone. I might revise this after we hear from Proctor, but I think this idea that everyone came together from the party guests, their kids, the cops, the emt, etc. is beyond the conspiracy proposed here.
Correct. The fight occurred in the basement. John was punched in the face causing two black eyes and a cut above his nose he fell back hit his head blunt force trauma and lost 3 l of blood on that basement floor had a seizure vomited and began dying. Instead of calling 911, they tried to cover themselves and threw him on the lawn to pretend that a snow plow driver hit him. Then John McCabe search how long to die in the cold. While the owners were attacking him, Chloe who was in the basement also attacked his arm tearing at his shirt and his flesh. They ripped up the basement flooring because of that and then quickly sold off their home and discarded the dog and phones to cover everything up
@@primalcritters That sounds about right But, why would they put him at the edge of the lawn? Why would John be out in the street, or on the curb, in the first place to be hit by a snowplow? If by chance he was out there he would have seen the snowplow (as well as the driver would see him) and he would have moved.
@@nicolaxoxo1 but that doesn’t explain a story of WHY John would have been hit by a snowplow. People don’t stand around on the curb watching a snowplow come and run them down. And the driver of the snowplow would see a person.
I had a prof in college that removed the minimum word count on essays for me because he needed me to learn to get to the point and gave me maximum counts. It was life changing and Lally needed a prof like him 😂
Embarrassing and they decided to frame Karen when SHE panicked and said could I have hit him? They jumped on it and said hey, yeah that's how it happened. Jeez
As soon as Jen heard Karen ask that question, she's the one who started the conspiracy to help her sister's husband and Higgins cover up their murder of John.
@@barbaramay1866That was not JM’s original testimony with the grand jury. In her previous testimony, she testified to Karen saying “ Could I have hit him ………”.
This is such a concerning case -- From everything I have watched thus far I HOPE the Jury will see so much doubt in this case and find her innocent. More importantly, I hope some day / some how the real truth will be determined and those responsible for his tragic death will be found and prosecuted - Justice for John!!
You must be a crime scene expert. What should they have used? A hair dryer? Please I'd love to know how you would have handled the scene....and keep the conditions and at the relevance in mind.
Your response to the solo cups was cracking me up. I love how the witness just said “red cups” but Jackson never missed an opportunity to call it like it was. “Solo cups” Edit to add: Four brothers is one of my favorite movies!
Peter, I'm sure goad you found this niche on RUclips. Really appreciate you sharing, teaching, and listening. Thanks for juggling so many balls & covering the info in a logical, cohesive format, no matter what questions or tech distractions come up. You rock. We're blessed you're here. Hope you find many return blessings from this gig.
I've always thought that the gash on the back of his head looked more like an impression of a barbell from the gym in the basement. A head wound also bleeds out more heavily. The gash does not appear to line up as a hit and run. That's my opinion anyway....the altercation was inside, in the basement. The body wss moved outdoors, and the dog got to it....
I think either the prosecution didn't want to do DNA test because the blood by John may not all be his, or they did a DNA test and the results were bad for the prosecution. And bad for Brian Albert or Brian Higgins or Colin.
Thanks, Peter. Watching this trial continues to be fascinating, particularly as the uncovered evidence is being revealed in court. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction! Also, it's surprising that local court operations staff can't find a solution to the courtroom audio problems; yet somehow it seems to be par for the course given the mismanagement of the investigation as demonstrated by many other local professionals involved with this case.
6 I think because I feel like the forensic scientist actually helped karen especially on cross when she said the pieces were just laying on bumper and hair still after the drive and the blizzard . Shows that's not possible
idk about that shirt brotha lol. Kidding aside, great stream. This entire case could literally be a movie. But real lives are hanging in the balance which makes it crazy. Just crazy.
What is so questionable is the police response to a Boston Cop dead! I’ve seen police response to an officer down, and every police officer responds, dropping everything. Even the local police treated the scene like John was some homeless stranger . Then the special unit had to wait until nightfall to search due to higher ups? Again, John was one of their own. Why in the world would they need special permission in his case?
Even the assistant police chief that lived across the street didn’t come out and see what was happening. Everything in this investigation can be challenged.
Exactly, Brian Albert with his German Shepherd in the bedroom. Never woke him up! He is a total loser and his wife and sister in law as well
💯 My brother is a first responder and that alone is what captured my interest in the case. Something just did not sit right about that. Then I just got fully sucked in.
That's true. It doesn't make sense that they just carelessly handle the whole scene and John like that. They acted like they're weren't upset or surprised that he was found in thay condition. Didn't seem like any sense of urgency at any point. It's just horrible.
Wow, you people are stupid.
John may have been one of their own but so were the Albert’s. Even if there isn’t a conspiracy, there wasn’t an investigation into them and that was a privilege. Sad that it was so botched we may never known what happened to JO
Peter! None of us care if you go over the hour mark for a show! We want to hear it all! 😊
Very true!! Though I tune in for his "straight to the point" style rather than 4-6 hours of drivel.
Exactly he needs to give us a 2 hour show
Truth🙌🏼. I could listen all day💙
I think it’s about Peter’s time not ours.
I think it's more about his limiting his time, it's a lot that goes into this , we appreciate you Peter!
I find it crazy that these troopers say they've NEVER investigated a crime in the snow. That is just hard to believe. The forensic lady who took swabs is just wild. She only swabbed 1 solo cup?? And used 1 swab for ALL the shirt holes?? And a single TINY John O'Keefe hair was found stuck on the bumper in the snow, driven around Canton in a BLIZZARD??? And a piece of glass??? Come the f*ck on!!!!
No! They never said the hair was Johns!
Even if it is his hair, he was her boyfriend. Around the car all the time. There are probably hairs of his inside the car.
This is what I'm saying but then you have people screaming oh the defense is reaching and pulling at straws! 🤦♀️ are we on the same planet? Watching the same trial? Even IF Karen Read hit him, the investigation is BOTCHED. The chain of custody was not followed. PERIOD. So either way she should be found not guilty.
In truth, she should have refused to test any of them! They were not collected per any standards, stored correctly, nor was there ANY chain of custody.
The magic hair. Somehow stuck to her car while driving around Canton, but also managed to hang on when she drove 40mi to her parents house in Dighton, then while being towed back from Dighton to Canton. In a blizzard. High wind and heavy falling snow. Somehow the snow didn't land on the hair and fall off.
John must have used some serious hair gel. OR it was planted.
If I was a juror, I would want to stand up and say “show me something that even hints at what exactly you are claiming happened, or let me go home”.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would be so mad if I was on the jury.
Right? Such a waste of time 😑
I would also be frustrated with the Judge constantly berating lawyers and witnesses to speak louder and then turn off the air conditioner. Get bet mikes judge.
I can tolerate a lot, but turning off the air conditioning is a just a step too far. If the room temperature eeks past 72 degrees I am the f*ck out of there. How the loud can this air conditioning system be? Is it as prehistroic as their microphones?
So what I heard was they waited the entire day until it was dark again to search the scene. Hours upon hours of an unsecured scene. This has to be a bad movie plot.
Don’t forget the solo cups and power blower!
And this was also during the time Proctor had taken Karen’s car.
😂don’t forget forensics only tested one of the solo cups and left the rest at canton pd
8hrs and more than a foot of snow later. And somehow, they find more "evidence" than the original officers who were there when John was initially found.
The defense is making you think that normal police procedures were BIG MISTAKES.
You know what sealed Karen Reed's innocence for me was the fact that 5 pieces of glass lays loosely on the back bumper and the hair just moves from photographing it , thats how loosely its on the side of the car. so neither the glass or the hair fell of when towing the car back to the sallyport. To top all of this, the sallyport camera conveniently stops working for 42mins. I call BS.
I watched, rewatched and rewatched again. The bottom of the hair moves. It's not a perspective change. The salt stains used as reference make it easy to see.
@Steve-YT383 exactly I saw the same and dit frame by frame. like judge judy says dont piddle on my leg and tell me its raining.
NOT to MENTION, that there was FAR LESS snow on the ground during the initial search, YET, miraculously, these items were suddenly found. I’m SMH!! Anyone else?? 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Right. Pretty sure if they didn’t find them with the leaf blower , they weren’t there initially
@@jannater28 I will never look at a leaf blower again without flashbacks of that idiotic video. I can't believe they decided leaf blower, beer pong cups, and used grocery bag but didn't think seal off crime scene, tarp/tent the area to prevent further tampering or accumulation of snow, and call the evidence team asap.. They also keep blaming the blizzard like conditions. They fail to mention the 5+ days of weather models and forecasts that predicted the behavior of the blizzard to near 100 percent accurracy. How could so many people be so incompetant on this day?
Yep, it snowed ALL DAMN DAY, yet pieces from the night before were found just under the snow? WTAF?😊
And it was daylight
YES, I was thinking the same thing
The so called ‘EVIDENCE” IS MOOT when there is ZERO Chain of Custody. None of it matters when there’s no accountability for preserving a crime scene. END FULL STOP
💯 and even if there was blood on that tail light and skin tissue it still would not matter it is impossible for him to have the injuries of being beaten to death and claimed that he was hit by a 6,000 lb SUV and dragged. Humanly impossible. He would have gross bodily injuries
But is chain of custody clear to juror?
*issues of
Aunt, let’s just throw it all in the same bag together no contamination here 😂😂
No ..I think even if Karen takes responsibility...what she began to do in the first true emotionally hours of this case , you will still bee bias and take the route of what America likes.....drama and cover-ups@@primalcritters
Since every cop and fed and their wives sisters and gf's were drink driving that night and were all comfortable with it, it shows me the entire force is happy and at total ease to break the law on a consistent basis. That alone is scary.
Re: scope of cover up. I don’t think everyone needs to be involved. Just be willing to not ask questions or probe into inconsistencies and potentially questionable procedures
Drinking and driving is a legal drug and too many people drink and drive not just the people at the after party
Group, so it’s not fair to the families of Law Enforcement that drink responsibly ✌️
@@WhiteRose360-ji8wcyeah that’s why THIS specific group is under such scrutiny. They were directly and indirectly involved in the circumstances that led to his death and the subsequent investigation and trial. And they were all breaking the law from the jump.
@@NILBOGMILK
Unfortunately people don’t make good choices when intoxicated, I agree .
Let this poor woman go home and try to repair her life. She’s been framed. They beat the crap out of him and the dog bit his arm.
I’m MARRIED TO THE LAW/, a sergeant of 26 years and NEVER WOULD THIS HAPPEN! THIS IS A DISGRACE , A COVER UP! And A FRAME JOB
Thank you for seeing the other side.
It happens more often than you think and probably alot closer than u think
Sure ya are 😊🤪😜😉
I chuckled when I read “I’m married to the law” in all caps. But honestly this happens so often, unfortunately, and in sooo many places!
THE FBI INVESTIGATION:
1. The FBI have investigated the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” allegedly involving the Alberts, the McCabes and certain members of LE, etc, for around a year now and thoroughly (even calling on a Federal Grand Jury and seeking and obtaining evidence including from all the alleged people allegedly involved in the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory”).
2. Consequently, the FBI have not laid any charges against any person, nor have they or the defense team, filed a motion seeking an injunction (to the superior court) to stay this trial pending any further action or outcome of the investigation (appears the investigation is over and the defense team know this and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise).
3. Further, the lead investigator (Michael Proctor) is still working for the Police Department, therefore indicating there is no wrongdoing on his part.
4. The only person charged with any offences and on trial relating to JO’s death…is still solely KR (whether some people like it or not).
5. Therefore it can, and must, be taken, there was no alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” and it is O.V.E.R!
6. For any person to suggest otherwise and continue to rant on that there was a “frame job” and a “conspiracy theory”, or refer to any matter/s related/associated with such (and at times being said with such irrational certainty and alleged facts - which cannot be deemed as facts in the above circumstances), is consequently suggesting that the FBI are knowingly allowing an alleged murderer/s, and any other person/s aiding and abetting, to remain free and not face any charges, whilst allowing an (allegedly known) innocent person (KR) to go to trial upon (allegedly known false) charges, along with allowing the tax payers to pay millions of dollars for the trial.
7. This seems highly unlikely and improbable and contradicts (as above) an investigation having already been undertaken and no action being taken against any person/s by the FBI after a thorough investigation and Federal Grand Jury and over a lengthy and significant period of time.
8. But rather such allegations are a desperate attempt to be wilfully ignorant and in denial, and/or, to create “smoke and mirrors” and a “red herring fallacy”, that are generally speaking a total waste of time and space and that ultimately go nowhere as it were.
* The conversation ends there *!
I'm trying to figure out how being hit by a car can cause small punctures in a jacket sleeve. So far, it looks like almost every witness that the prosecution has called has actually benefitted the defense. Not to mention how one of the lab people just picks a random solo cup to swab & leaves the rest. This entire thing is absolutely appalling.
They were doing the best they could at the time. The solo cup needs to be forgotten. Nothing was tested, but it is quite obvious it was John’s blood.
@@barbaramay1866bull lol
@@barbaramay1866 That is plausible, but that is not the point. Remember, the cops didn't know what happened. They found a dead guy in the snow on a lawn and there was blood nearby. Could all be John's, sure. But what if John got into a fight with a yeti or some dealer he busted in boston saw him and killed him for revenge? That could happen too and to know (or rule it out) the PD would have to test that blood in a proper way. Because that is the only way you could ever know. Not only could they not because it was secured very poorly, but then still it was also tested poorly.
Not crossing Kerry was a baller move by the defense.
@@hkr667 It was Karen Read who fake found John, not the cops. The other two women who were searching with her didn't see him because he was buried in the snow, so how did Karen know that it was John when her two friends only saw a snow bank? Yes, it could have been a Yeti, I suppose, but I think a yeti I would have carried John to safety rather than hurt him. The contents of the Solo cups weren't tested after all, right? The cops did the best they could in rather harsh conditions.
My forensic training summounts to what ive learned from watching trials and tv shows and using my common sense. Even I, a layman in England, am freaking STUNNED by the lack of forensic procedure in this case! This whole case is an embarrassment to the people of Canton. Watching this from the UK and wondering how this whole dang case wasnt tossed out of court amid laughter. I feel terrible for officer John O'Keefe's family
I'm sorry but that looks SO PLANTED. There's no way you shovel snow and miraculously the tail light is sitting there, free of snow
I'm also curious, could the snowblower have blown the "tail light" over there? Or could it have gotten there throughout the day by innocent means? I think by the time it was found, it's too late to assume it HAD to be related to the scene.
They used leaf blower to remove the snow layer by layer in a highly professional manner! 😀
Also, how does a car travel all around durimg a blizzard and yet hair is still lying on the side of the vehicle. And pieces of glass are on the bumper undisturbed at all. It leaves me disturbed!
That's not how a search in snow works. They have to dig, with shovels, dump out the snow from the shovel and then check to see if the contents of the shovel contains any material. The reason the shoe was so dug in is because it would have been seen by the search team before hitting a shovel because of it's size and weight.
@@birtajonsdottir9910 That's how a search works in Canton. Your example works in the rest of the world. Apparently Canton has different ways of doing things.
I believe there is too much reasonable doubt in this case
I believe the whole damn case is nothing BUT reasonable doubt. 100%
I disagree, I think there is enough evidence to convict one of the people that were in the house with man slaughterer lol
It's unfortunate because at the end of the day, there's a dead man & police officer. The prosecution flubbing this case up so bad we may never know what happened to this poor guy.
Lots of people have been convicted on less. I remember when everyone said the same stuff about Stephen Avery, where did all those supporters go?
@@bendoubleu7516 😂 like who? If you think theres not enough on Karen theres even less on Anyone else. If anything they are all in cahoots, the karens and the Alberts.
If Canton wasn't so corrupt, maybe they could afford a decent sound system.
& air 😂😂😂
And evidence collecting tools.
But if conditions were more comfortable in court maybe more people would go to watch and hear and see exactly what was said.
Hahahhaha😂😂😂😂
Personally if I lived in Canton I would demand my local taxes back! The majority of local “professional” agencies I have seen need to at the very least get some continuing education in their respective professions! It is really embarrassing how incompetent they all are.
You mean, we're not all supposed to be worried that cops are going to search our phones for nudes when we're trying to help them solve our loved ones murder?!?
And these guys have “years experience” and are paid very well. It’s disgusting. I would hire new leadership that demands more of its people, training and refreshers, tightening of protocols.
I've heard that the whole town of Canton is in uproar over this case. People are divided significantly with about 80% supporting Karen and about 20% still believing the police are good and did everything right and the Alberts are honest. Unfortunately, the truth is the Albert's attacked him in the basement, punching him so hard causing the two black eyes cut on his nose he fell back hit his head lost 3 l of blood on that basement floor, had a seizure and vomited and began dying. While they were attacking him, Chloe who was also in the basement I talked to his arm staring at his shirt causing the holes and tearing at his flesh. Then they threw him on the lawn to pretend he got hit by a snow plow driver and Jen McCabe got to work googling how long to die in the cold. Unfortunately Karen found him first and so they had to frame her
I live in MA the state and it affects all MA taxpayers.
Very incompetent state employees! They all are in the wrong line of work
I'm sorry but if these are the normal cops in this area how are any crimes solved? They seem incompetent
Incompetent is being kind
They are corrupt.
Most crimes or reported crimes are not solved/resolved
With any police department/city, not just this one
maybe they're not 'solved' but rather, they're 'closed'
It's been 4 weeks now and the Commonwealth still hasn't had a single moment in the trial that has gone anywhere near proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Karen and John were even fighting, let alone that she hit him, or did it intentionally..
It's because they don't have any evidence of that happening! Their job right now is to help these officers and their friends and family not go to prison.
According to opening statements Karen said herself that they had a fight to one of the emergency room staff. But prosecution has not called in any ER staff to testify to that (so far).
@@hkr667 But like we both said, till this point the Commonwealth still haven't even proven they were arguing that night.. They may call this rumoured ER person but they still haven't a month in. Literally all they have is Karen freaking out when he was found saying something to the effect of "could i have hit him" "did i do this?" and the broken pieces of tail light that could easily have fallen off the car when she was back at the scene in the morning. Especially the way the evidence was recovered, leaf blower could easily blow glass from Karens tail light, but she is on CCTV backing into a car and hitting EXACTLY that tail light. Either Karen is a criminal mastermind that was able to murder a Police officer in the yard of another officer while people where coming and going from the house, then staged the broken tail light on CCTV.
Calling Kerry right after Jen was a stroke of genius by the defense 🙃
@@Steve-YT383the defense didn’t call them the prosecution did
Reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, reasonable DOUBT.
This would have been so much easier if they tented off the area so snow wouldnt accumulate over the scene but then i guess that makes it harder to potentially plant stuff.
If John's clothes were on the floor of the ambo, then the ER room, then stored wet, It doesn't matter if the chain of control was impeccable at forensics it was already contaminated and the blood DNA would degenerate.
And then in Proctor's trunk for 6 weeks after that.
If the shoe was found buried in the snow on the 2nd search, it would of easily been seen on the 1st search
AND there are explanations that *could* explain that BUT the fact that the prosecution doesn't even try.... leaves me thinking there's no evidence of the possible justifications I could think up.
Right! It was planted!
John’s body was covered in snow. Why would anyone think the shoe wasn’t also covered in snow.? When he was killed the snow had just started to accumulate. Good grief.
@barbaramay1866 From the videos of the morning and the picture of the shoes location, they literally would have stood on or drove over it.
Was it confirmed to be his shoe? In opening statements the defence said it was missing. So is it not his shoe or was it lost after being discovered? Anyone know?
Lally takes one step forward and when the defense finishes he’s 100 steps back. It’s really quite interesting to just watch this as a match between Lally and AJ. Lally is so outmatched here. Then I remember this is a trial. A man lost his life and a woman is fighting for her freedom and this is a complete circus and it’s so sad.
Yup. It makes the successful points of the defence so much sadder.
John get declared dead, everyone keeps saying that EVERYONE knew Karen confessed on scene…and they didn’t bother to try to get a crime scene team until 5 hours later and even then they haven’t even submitted the request and so it wait another 1-2 hours?
It is sad. She should have pled guilty when it happened rather than putting everyone through this now after concocting her fictional story of utter madness.
At this point, everything the prosecutor puts forth is suspect to me. Way too much doubt for me if I was on that jury.
Finding evidence at 5PM is plenty of time to plant something!
It was closer to 8pm. Karen's car was towed around 5pm by Proctor. To the sallyport, which coincidentally was missing the footage of her car being brought in.
So yes, plenty of time to plant evidence, for sure!
Do you know for sure the video is missing ? Or was the video not allowed into evidence … for some reason
Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
I think that was still another fake balloon that the defense floated. I believe Higgins said it should be available on surveillance video. I hope it will show up at trial.
@@catherinetierney4834 Defense specifically said "missing". If it was not allowed in the judge certainly would have scolded him for that mischaracterization.
The judge needs to move Lally along. I feel like she is always cutting the defense off on time, yet Lally is spending hours asking repetitive questions to his witnesses. He doesn’t seem like he even listens to their response. I’m reaching the point where I don’t want to even listen to his direct examination of witnesses. He won’t speak up, he’s monotone and he what if anything’s his way through just about every question.
I didn’t know much about this case before but I am not seeing anything that makes me think that Officer O’Keefe was hit by a car going backwards in the snow at 24 mph. I’m not saying the Albert’s and the McCabe’s are guilty of anything other than acting really suspicious for a bunch of witnesses. The deleted messages, multiple butt dials, rehomed phones, and the reporting of who was talking to the police and what they were saying, along with Trooper Proctors shady behavior looking for nude photos of Karen Read and going through her phone without a search warrant. Jennifer McCabe’s testimony was so disturbing that it actually made me not trust anything that she said. It felt like she was there to exact revenge. This was my outsider, uninformed opinion.
Jen and friends remind me of a cheer or dance moms to the extreme. I’m a former competitive gymnast and dancer/ cheerleader and saw plenty of them during my years in competition.
I fast forward lally every time i can. I find that no info is actually given from direct and all actual informative evidence comes out in cross.
I don’t understand how the special unit found all of this evidence in the dark. But the officers in the daylight didn’t find any of this?
Seems they worked way too hard too late to appear legit
Right? With a shi$ ton of LESS snow.
They must be a real special unit ? 🙄
@@SolomonLandscapingDid I miss hear the lieutenant say he was advised to look in a particular area and lo and behold there were many pieces? (Shattered light).
@@Romovictorio you definitely heard it right. Really odd since when there was only two inches of snow on the ground the canton police magically cldnt find one piece of tail light nor a sneaker by the curb . At this point it’s mind boggling how anyone cld think Karen’s guilty if they dove into this case.
When Jen and Karen went back to John’s house to look for him the taillight only had a small piece missing.
Almost like bumby roads would have no effect ... Not
I don't know why,I'm not a lawyer or really knowledgeable about the law, but it's really sticking with me that only one of the solo cups blood was tested instead of ALL six samples ..... just seems so irresponsible to say the least
Plus they were improperly collected, improved stored etc. total failure
Right and then they took her vehicle for 90 minutes and during that time they removed the tail light that looks whole, and then smash a bunch of pieces to take back to the crime scene to spread around! Out of that 90 minutes of surveillance video in the Sally port, 45 minutes of it is missing!
@@nicolaxoxo1 right! I believe you and I could have done a better job preserving then scene than the ones that were responsible
@@KayInMaine it really looks like something bad and fishy going on through the investigation for sure! John should have been handled by all the best procedures to figure out what actually happened
Not only was only one cup was swabbed, but it was NEVER tested. She testified to that. They did NO DNA testing on that swab. So, we have no idea who that blood really belonged to. If there was a fight, as the defense alleges, that blood could have been from someone else.
I LOVE how the judge keeps threatening to turn the air off scolding Lowly like a child😂😂
I know everyone thinks she's biased towards the CW, but if I was a juror this would make me dread Lally getting up to speak
@@amandamacabre She's so damn incompetent I don't know what she's doing, but it sure as hell ain't about finding out the truth. I heard some gobblygook excuse about her trying to be fair. That's BS because being fair would be about justice and the truth. Not about playing referee between the lawyers and handicapping one side to make things fair. This ain't some stupid game. This is real life!
Especially how he drags out with absolutely unnecessary questions.@@amandamacabre
Why doesn't she just insist the attorneys use the damn mics???
She’s maddening.
Oh wow I just realized that I was gifted a membership.. I don’t know who gifted me the membership but thank you so much I appreciate it and am sorry that I’m just now seeing it
Just want to mention, I'm in a fb group related to this case. Someone posted asking for an unbiased lawyer to watch on RUclips for recaps-almost every comment (including mine of course) was referring her to your account! 😊
Hi, have u a lonk to that FB Group?
I watch Peter and Runkle on this trial... it makes my day when they post!
I’m one of the comments suggesting him
I can maybe believe the shoe was missed earlier. I have a huge problem with the tail light. Nobody saw it that morning. Only a few pieces found by CRT. And THEN Proctor goes back repeatedly and keeps finding pieces. Nope. I ain’t buying it.
The first responding officers talked about how they cleared off the curb when they were there to check for evidence and they never found the shoe or taillight. They called it a "cape cod berm" in their testimony.
John's other shoe was brought up from the basement and thrown out there.
Problems with all this. Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
Fascinating the investigation didn't go in the house, the basement especially.
Right. Two officers stood in the entryway and never moved beyond it.
At the time there was NO suspicion that anything happened in the house! There was no suspicion that anyone in that house was involved. John never made it into the house. There was no reason to search the house!
@@barbaramay1866 Do you really think if a cop was found dead on your front lawn, the cops wouldn’t even come inside your house? 😂
@@barbaramay1866If they had no clue what happened to John but it was clearly murder which they did know everyone should be a suspect. Especially the people who’s home has a dead police officer laying on their front lawn. If the homeowner was not a police officer that house would have been searched as having a dead person on your lawn in enough to enter or get a warrant to enter.
I don't understand why the investigation didn't get started for 12+ hours after O'Keefe was found and taken to hospital.the scene was unsecured that whole time??
Actually, I think we do understand.
Lally I thought was unprepared and had to be asked to speak up multiple times, and acted like this was his first trial to me
And he had basically a whole entire week to prep for today because they hadn’t had trial since Tuesday
From what I read this is his second murder trial, his first was a vehicle homicide and the defendant was acquitted
And only tested to see if it was blood; not for DNA.
Was it this day or day before when the sighs were L O U D during cross?
There was no way on this Earth that that a tail light would have ever shattered hitting JO
I know it'd bounce off my butt
And underneath him
No it wouldn't. I work in auto body repair and they just don't break like that. The material is very hard and doesn't shatter like glass.
Totally agree! Not a lot of car people chiming in. I'm 55 and a car guy but not an expert. I've owned many many cars and crashed some of them. Ain't no way backing into a guy's face breaks a taillight into that many pieces. I've heard CW thinks she was going 24mph. Anyone ever drive in reverse at 15mph? Very scary and difficult to control the car.
PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T TEST OUT THIS THEORY! Probably should not have mentioned.
@@RlukeMI was wondering if the cold weather would have made it more likely to shatter. But y'all know better than me!
"Tell them the guy never went into the house", Matt McCabe.
"Colin was not at the house when John was there", Ally McCabe.
"Hos long to die in the cold", Jen McCabe.
Butt dial after butt dial and a single hair on a car that made it hundreds of miles without falling down despite travelling through a blizzard.
Hos long does it take to turn a tragedy into an international comedy?
Add to that zero bodily injuries from being hit by a 6000 lb SUV that supposedly hit him and ran him over. Humanly impossible to have no bodily injuries from such an impact. The fact is he was punched in the face in the basement where he got two black eyes a cut on his nose and fell back hit his head causing the blunt force trauma which then caused him to lose three liters of blood, vomit, and have a seizure. All that blood on the basement floor is why they ripped up the flooring before they quickly sold the home and got rid of their phones and dog. And yes, while the owners were attacking him Chloe attacked his arm. They realized they took the fight too far, and instead of calling 911, they put him in the lawn to pretend a snow plow driver hit him on accident. Unfortunately Karen found him first and that foiled their plans. While he was actively dying, that's why Jen McCabe searched how long to die in the cold.
Interesting explanation but who would go out to the street and stand there waiting for a snowplow they see coming to hit him? It’s not like he’s going to stand outside at end of yard waiting for an Uber in the snow.
Watching from South Africa.... This is international for sure....
@primalcritters Yep, you're spot on! Karen accidentally backing into John's car and cracking her taillight sealed her fate of having to deal with this travesty!
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The blood dripped down the front of the long sleeve is indicative of standing upright for a period of time after some sort of head/face trauma.
was it the sleeve where the dog attacked his arm?
@@nicolaxoxo1 yes!!!
Yup! There's also what appears to be a partial bloody paw print in a drag mark on a sweatshirt! It's like Chloe had stepped in some of his blood and jumped up on him and left that pattern!
No way you miss these pieces in the morning when there was 2 inches of snow on the ground.
19" of snow later and, BAM!, there they are.
If a running shoe was on the kerb where they claim it was all that time , don’t you think a snow plugh would have moved it on when they plughed the street
Black shoe in white snow. It would stick out.
Notice that these pieces were "found" over the course of 2 weeks. Jan 29 - Feb 11.
No way you miss all those red pieces with headlights shining and a light dusting as you leave the house, IMO.
So far I'm absolutely shocked that they brought these charges. Waste of tax payers money. DA should of never tried this case. Makes Canton look so bad nation wide.
Exactly! Whoever decided to let this go to trial should be replaced immediately
I am from the Philippines and I follow your court proceedings... My reaction - I am shocked.
It makes Karen Read and the conspiracy theorist Turtle look bad. It took over 40 hours of phone calls between Read and turtle to come up with this cockamamie coverup story.
Yep, there’s something rotten in Canton, and it ain’t the defendant. 💯
4 I've been following this case for so long all of the hearings..... haven't missed a day of trial and today I was questioning what am I doing can I even finish this first off it just seems so absurd that this case is even at trial I just keep asking myself why did they bring this case it's absurd and it should be embarrassing to them
Those holes in his shirt look like a tooth hole! Maybe from the dog. The prosecution is toast and the defense per normal is killing it! Why they chose Lally for this case is unbelievable!!
Or holes from the dog’s claws
Absolutely!!
I definitely think the dog was involved
I have watched expert dog trainer with decades of police dog training say the arm wounds are dog bites. It looks like scratches because the teeth ripped the flesh as John instinctively pulled back. The arm is often bitten as a person would defensively throw up their arm if a dog lunged
And they even put white arrows to point out how stupid they are. Nobody is a fool there apart from the prosecution.
I’ve of course watched several sources during this trial but you always break things down in the easiest to follow way! We love and appreciate you Peter! #freekarenread #justiceforjohnokeefe
The pieces of tailight found by the SERT team were almost pristine! They spent 15 hours in the snow, but there is no frozen snow embedded in these pieces of tailight? The transparent pieces were clean! Not a thin layer of frost, you could see through them!
I noticed round edges on some of those pieces like it was hit with a hammer.
'precariously perched' hahaha - was one of my dad's favorite sayings. lol
My mother says that all the time. In fact, I would say that this whole case is precariously perched on Lady justice. Lady Justice will only see Justice once the Alberts and mccabes are arrested for murder
by now he'd be over 110 years old ❤️ funny how the past becomes the present in a random moment
@@nana-ly9mwhugs 😊
This judge. Threatening to turn the AC off... seems like a miserable courtroom
Right! Just get a stinken wireless microphone! I heard they had to get Wi-Fi for this case, too. It's quite the antiquated courthouse.
It's crazy they can't afford to update the sound system in the courtroom. Yet, MA has millions to rehab the former Norfolk Co jail to house illegals. And in Boston, they're discussing reparations.
Shows where the states priorities are.
It’s a very old building. I think Paul Revere stopped there for minute to let his horse drink some water.
They never tested hair or blood for DNA so far in testimony.
Or did they and not like the results?....
@@al1383 they would've had to turn the results over to the defense.
Well they can’t hide it from defense anyway.
@@al1383 they said those things were never tested
They would have but their easy-bake oven was broken that week......
If she hit him with the SUV, and it seems like they’re inferring his head was hit by the car because of the hair, there would surely be tissue left behind right? I mean if the hair stuck around that long, how did “tissue” wash away?
And where's the blood. Head wounds bleed
No way that hair and glass survived over 60 miles round trip in the precarious positions they were found.
How can they appeal an objection if the judge doesn’t let them give a reason? She only lets them say “objection”, instead of giving a legal basis for it. I’ve never seen a judge do that before 🤔
Because she and the prosecution by the fixers to help the police get away with murder
Yep; Bev seems like a third lawyer instead of an impartial judge.
I agree, it's weird and definitely not the norm as compared to other cases we've seen.
In Massachusetts and in Maryland, it's pretty standard, though. I hate it too, but when it comes to the appeal, the lack of stating a basis on objection basically preserves any and all reason for the objection. So, if they were to state the basis, that basis is the only one preserved for appeal. Not stating the specific basis preserves all basis. I hope I explained that well enough lol
I still feel like no basis makes the job of the appellate court much more difficult, because then they have to read thru the entire record to understand what the objection could be. And Lally seems to object every time he's scared of an answer.
She has told them that if they need to make a record for appeal they can do that at sidebar.
This case is upsetting because Lally is supposed to represent the interests NOT ONLY of the Commonwealth BUT ALSO those of Karen Read, because she is part of the Commonwealth. The way that is done by DAs is 1) to not bring cases that aren't solidly and strongly EVIDENCE BASED and 2) not to use vague, obfuscating, or disingenuous trial tactics. Lally seems to be doing both and it is not OK!! 😡
It is not his job to speak for Karen. It is the job of HER attorneys to defend her against the CW.
It seems like you don’t know how court works?
Are you numb?? Are you watching the same trial??! That is exactly what Jackson is doing!!! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤣
This comment makes no sense, I’m sorry. Lally is building the case. Her attorneys will defend her in due time. Did you watch today? John’s hair is on the SUV. The drinking glass, the one he left the bar with, shards are on the SUV. The straw from the glass he left the bar with and the glass was on the ground where his body was found. Please review the evidence.
@@Momcrimejunkie they refuse to. These people are so warped
Watching paint dry would have been more entertaining!
This is not for entertainment! It is a murder trial
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You need to lighten up! Taking yourself much too seriously!
I think the previous witnesses called by the prosecution have brought on so much doubt, that the evidence is now clouded by the suspicious behavior/activity of the witnesses.
He had zero broken bones, and no injuries at the abdomen or below. He has defensive wounds on his hands.alcohol obviously involved i think higgins told JO Karen kissed him & they had words one thing lead to another and albert got in on it to & colin. So the dog tried to defend and thats how the injuries on his arm are like that!!
Lol
Wait, when did the aliens come in?
That’s exactly what I think too!!
@@debramason7237it’s a better theory then anything the Commonwealth are offering!
@@debramason7237silly comment
(1) At what point did police determine they were looking spefically for a cracked tail light? (2) Is it common practice to tell the evidence search team what to search for? In my opinion, this could create a situation where they are so focused on looking for A, B, and C that they stop looking as soon as they find it and thus overlook X, Y, and Z. (3) Since the weather was such a factor, and since everyone knew it was going to continue to snow long into the afternoon and night, why would they not tarp the scene, or tent it? I've not been able to listen to everyday of the trial, but I try to watch recaps nightly. Has anyone testified to snow depth when John's body was found? Has anyone testified to the snow depth the sneaker was found, at what depth was the cracked tail light found. All these details are so important when trying to piece this case together. I don't understand at all how so many people got so much wrong on this day.
Protecting the scene would make sense unfortunately sense and Canton can’t coexist. It’s a miracle they have actual photos and not some crayon drawings of evidence at this point.
@@mafortu9032 LOL. I saw the photos they showed in trial today and I'm thinking crayon drawings would have been better. I was squinting, zooming, turned every light in my office on and off just trying to figure out the photos. But, I really loved the photo of the white disc with the black background... I immediately thought it looked like a satellite image of Antarctica. This case is just a true comedy of errors. I should have quit watching when they rolled out the leaf blower video.
Didn’t officer Gallagher, one of the first 5 witnesses or so, testify and confirm that they DID break the taillight was broken more when they were taking it out?? I swear I. Remember this!
I thought I remembered that too and there was a picture before and after where it was more broke
I don’t recall them having pictures of it, maybe defense asked if they documented it, but I definitely remember him saying they broke it more! Glad you recall this too, because it hasn’t been brought up again & I was starting to think I was crazy! So much going on in this trial!!
Tiny pieces of clear glass not embedded into car, but on top of bumper happen to nake it thru a snowstorm a 30 minute drive by towdriver! Just still laying on top
I remember that specifically, yes.
No, that is a twist on words. He was stating it was a broken tail light being removed, not it was broken during removal
I would be furious if I were a juror in this case. What an absolute train wreck!
I hadn’t ever watched videos on 1.5x speed before LYK and it’s life changing. Now it’s all I use.
Same it sounds so slow in normal speed now
Agree!
Same! When I watch something on Instagram and can't speed it up, I get so annoyed 😂
You watch the trial? If so, how can you stand to watch Lally at normal speed. I gotta 2x through Lallys questioning
Same
Nah, I'd want a forensic tech to be looking for ALL the evidence, not just where a cop points to.
Bad start
I’ve witnessed first hand many who’s parents are law enforcement get away with all types of crimes . Then those same people become law enforcement while others who worked hard to try to become law enforcement in Massachusetts never succeeded. Obviously many just trust the police and the judicial system. If you could see what I’ve seen first hand you wouldn’t think twice about this being a cover up.
Why did Proctor keep JO shirt for 6 wks before turning it over as evidence?
Excellent Question???
Did I miss this somewhere?? Opening statement?
@@elise2096 no from today's witnesses. O'Keffe's death was 01/29/22 and the clothes were entered in evidence 03/14/22. The dates are bizarre. Even the forensic evidence wasn't tested until later in 2023.
He kept it because he’s a detective and knows that a wet shirt not preserved correctly creates all types of molds and bacteria. This causes dna retrieval useless due to contamination. Looks clear to me that he was helping his buddy Brian Albert out .
@@elise2096no. It came out in court yesterday. The evidence was submitted to the lab on March 14th and supposedly collected the day after he was found. So he had the clothes sitting around somewhere for 6 weeks. But it seems like there is no evidence log so he never logged it as evidence and it just shows up out of nowhere at the lab in March.
The shoe makes sense. If Karen hit him, it would be there. If they dumped him outside, they would plant the shoe and the glass at the same time. Since no one found the shoe in morning, it would obviously be covered. The tail light was NOT in the Alberts' possession at the time the would have left him there, and would have to be planted later.
I could not wait for some technical testimony but it still fell short. IMO. Love you LYK !
I know this isn't Clue, but I think Higgins hit him with the snowplow. Boom. No candlestick involved.
There is zero evidence of that. But plenty of evidence that shows he went into that house and got the bloody hell beat out of him.
Yeah, this case sounds just like that game, right?
I’d bet all my cards on this theory. There were words. Perhaps folks came outside to her defense. A fight ensued. Or maybe he sat in the curb as she drove away. Either way Higgin’s snow plow hit him and they are all covering it up.
I would certainly believe that Higgins’ plow was utilized at some point, but to say that this is what killed JO would lead to the same issues we have now… how to explain away JO’s lack of trauma to other than his head, and how to explain the scratches on JO’s arm.
And Chloe was out there to tear John's arm? Nope. He was beat unconscious by the Brians or maybe just Higgins ( that could be why nobody wants to place his Jeep there because he was there) while being attacked by Chloe. Jen McCabe does a Google search at 2:27am to find out how long it takes to freeze in the cold and that's when they brought John's unconscious body to the front lawn and he froze to death. Jen deleted a lot of her texts from that morning.
My biggest problem w today's testimony was everyone recognizing Canton PD were "conflicted out" yet even AFTER that the CAR is towed by MSP to CANTON PD (from over 30 -40 miles away in a Blizzard) & the blood tech person went to Canton to gather the evidence AND the MSP CERT guy stated his team's composition was it's strength YET ADMITTED there were 3-4 UNKNOWN (UNNAMED) Canton PD officers in plainclothes! WHAT? He knew by 6 pm the Canton PD were "conflicted out" but doesn't care the conflicted pd are THERE?! Seems odd. Final shock today was the almost 2 MONTHS btwn clothes (left at hospital maybe?) on Jan 29th, doesn't get taken to Lab -or bagged & tag says March 14th. So where were all those clothes btwn 1/29 & 3/14th? No one addressed the chain of custody but if like all over evidence, going to assume they were somewhere w Canton PD.
I’m very intrigued by this case!! 👀👀 Honestly, I’m not on either side, I’m just patiently waiting for the truth .. if that will ever come - Of course, it was a little boring today butttt it all come with it! I really hope they call Proctor!! I’m ready to hear what he has to say 🧐
**edited to sayyyy, I really hope John gets true justice! Because in the end that’s all that matters! Bless his Soul 🫶🏽
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Appreciated your comment. I think the reason I get more and more angry with all the Free KR there is no concern for justice for this fallen officer. Heart breaking.
@@marlbboro8091 What? No, I think Karen isn't guilty and I'm angry that the investigation was so botched because there will never be a way to prove what really happened to him. I think most people understand an innocent man lost his life. We just don't want to ruin someone else's life without proof of guilt..
Every time these witnesses start pushing back and arguing they lose all credibility for me
I feel the same way! Then when we hop on here with Peter and he breaks it down and points it out, it becomes even more obvious. They seem like they are defensive, taking this personally, or don't want to give a wrong answer ect. But if they just say yes, no or honestly they do not know, it looks WAY better. Moving right along but when they skip around, push back, argue, it does not look good.
Lmao so they should just let the defense say and frame things however they want regardless of if its accurate or not...
They should be witness prepped & trust in redirect to clarify cross
@@Steve-YT383 or just do what they are doing. Lawyer you know even says they have the right to explain, not everything is yes and no or agreeable. They are on the stand.
Proctor and all them had a lot of alone time with that SUV🤨🤨🤨
Yup, 90 minutes. 45 minutes of the surveillance video from the SALLYPORT is missing. Convenient!
Today, I wanted proof. Here it is, the scientists' day. I was left yearning for some clarity. Lack luster. I'm impatient now.
This whole trial is a disgrace. Karen’s lawyers are incredible thou. Legal fees well spent when you’re falsely accused and framed.
No frame ! Only framer is karen read
@@Babyd320Nahhh. The prosecution has actually proven she’s innocent. There is no evidence that ties her directly to the crime scene. The person who’s guilty is Jennifer MacCabe.
368K subscribers! I was here for the 100K party!!! 500K here we come! Great job Peter and John!
Our country indeed needs to be REFORMED ACROSS THE BOARD. I WONDER HOW MANY INNOCENT PPL HAVE BEEN CONVICTED AND SENT TO PRISON OR BEEN EXECUTED. THESE COPS SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
The fact that they found all this supposed evidence when there was even more hard compacted snow blows my mind. Make it make sense.
Chain of custody of evidence is outrageously appalling. Where is the lead investigator? Usually walking the jurors through the what happened and all the evidence. Proctor was driving around with John O’Keefe’s clothes for weeks. Where is he? I have no idea how the Prosecutor can get me over the reasonable doubt that continues to build every day of trial. How does a hair and pieces of glass stay on the car in a blizzard from the Albert’s house, to O’Keefe’s house to another city and back to Canton?? Justice for John O’Keefe.
He’s probably at the Waterfall 😂
@@BIGBOMPAS Is he @ the Waterfall or at a Military Base cutting up his SIM card and throwing it in one trash bin and his phone in another?? 😂
I’ve sit through some boring stuff in my time and I am really invested in the trial but I was bored AF today.. so greatful I can listen to you sum it up instead
I actually got the feeling from the hair lady that she didn't really think the evidence fit the police narrative
I felt the same way. She was trying to be straightforward and honest and helped the prosecution but you could tell that she thought it was rubbish as well
Agreed
Trooper proctor has the shirt of John in his car for 6 weeks before turning it in. The droplets in the solo cups, she only tested one and never ran dna. The polycarbonate lense can’t break that way without over 6,500 psi of pressure, it never moved during the tow? Some of the evidence wasn’t given to the technician until March 2022. Cover up
I live in Canada..... Those pictures of the fresh snow have been altered... that is NOT what freshly fallen snow looks like. First... snow is NOT THAT WHITE & it DOES NOT LOOK LIKE COTTON BALLS placed on top of dirty snow from the road. If that piece of taillight was there that long it would of sunk!!!!
Canadians do know snow the best in the world 😅
Are you kidding me. My fresh fallen snow is pure bright white until the plows arrive. Between wind, drifts, and plows pieces could have been shuffled around. It happens.
Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this trial with all of us. 💗 I always learn something new. I hope that everyone has a wonderful evening. 💞 I hope that you will cover some of the juror interviews from the Chad Daybell trial.
The body was dragged but not by a car, but dragged from the house
How do you skip over the fact that the bloody clothes wasnt delivered by Proctor until 6 weeks later?!?!?!?!?
Wasn´t there a witness last week that testified that there was no visible trauma on JO´keefes body below the face? just the scratches on the arm? So if she hit him with the car, so hard that he flew across and was so badly injured he couldn´t get help, shouldn´t he have impact trauma wounds where the car hit him? Bruising where the car hit him hard, not just scratches? That bothers me.
Lilly makes it so hard and difficult to follow…Compliments it
she said her lab doesn’t text for DNA so they don’t know where hair came from. I was waiting for the most important evidence and it never came.. after ALLL Laly’s LONG explanation how to look at hair, what’s the root, shaft… we got nothing!
I'm just not getting it. So she drops him off, drives away and then throws the car into reverse and floors it over him?
That is the CW theory, yes.
I think some people are making the conspiracy too big. They think everyone that was at the party and later the crime scene is in on it. I think the conspiracy is MUCH smaller. I think it's MM, JM, BA, BH, and I know the defense is pointing the finger at Collin, but I'm not buying that. MAYBE Nicole.
I think the scene was compromised, Higgins had opportunity to plant evidence in the Sally Port. The Alberts can obviously dump the tail light pieces on their own yard whenever. I think the police work was a mix of incompetence and trusting a fellow cop and ATF agent would be on the up and up, but they're not actively trying to frame anyone.
I might revise this after we hear from Proctor, but I think this idea that everyone came together from the party guests, their kids, the cops, the emt, etc. is beyond the conspiracy proposed here.
Correct. The fight occurred in the basement. John was punched in the face causing two black eyes and a cut above his nose he fell back hit his head blunt force trauma and lost 3 l of blood on that basement floor had a seizure vomited and began dying. Instead of calling 911, they tried to cover themselves and threw him on the lawn to pretend that a snow plow driver hit him. Then John McCabe search how long to die in the cold. While the owners were attacking him, Chloe who was in the basement also attacked his arm tearing at his shirt and his flesh. They ripped up the basement flooring because of that and then quickly sold off their home and discarded the dog and phones to cover everything up
I agree. I think it’s apparent the friend group/party goers are colliding together and the others are just taking their word for it
@@primalcritters That sounds about right But, why would they put him at the edge of the lawn? Why would John be out in the street, or on the curb, in the first place to be hit by a snowplow? If by chance he was out there he would have seen the snowplow (as well as the driver would see him) and he would have moved.
@@jacksgl777he was on the lawn because if they put him on the curb or street, someone might have found him BEFORE he died
@@nicolaxoxo1 but that doesn’t explain a story of WHY John would have been hit by a snowplow. People don’t stand around on the curb watching a snowplow come and run them down. And the driver of the snowplow would see a person.
The prosecutor asks questions in very confusing ways. He can make it so much simpler
Why use 4-5 words when you can use 87ish lol
Did you know it was snowing? Lol
I had a prof in college that removed the minimum word count on essays for me because he needed me to learn to get to the point and gave me maximum counts. It was life changing and Lally needed a prof like him 😂
He is out to lunch
It often also sounds like he says JUDGE! when he objects🙈
Embarrassing and they decided to frame Karen when SHE panicked and said could I have hit him? They jumped on it and said hey, yeah that's how it happened. Jeez
As soon as Jen heard Karen ask that question, she's the one who started the conspiracy to help her sister's husband and Higgins cover up their murder of John.
She said I hit him. Both Jen and the EMT heard her say that.
@@barbaramay1866That was not JM’s original testimony with the grand jury. In her previous testimony, she testified to Karen saying “ Could I have hit him ………”.
This is such a concerning case -- From everything I have watched thus far I HOPE the Jury will see so much doubt in this case and find her innocent. More importantly, I hope some day / some how the real truth will be determined and those responsible for his tragic death will be found and prosecuted - Justice for John!!
Still can’t believe they used a leaf blower
You must be a crime scene expert. What should they have used? A hair dryer? Please I'd love to know how you would have handled the scene....and keep the conditions and at the relevance in mind.
Your response to the solo cups was cracking me up. I love how the witness just said “red cups” but Jackson never missed an opportunity to call it like it was. “Solo cups”
Edit to add: Four brothers is one of my favorite movies!
Yes!!!!! I noticed that as well it was hilarious. Prosecution just says cups and Jackson never forgets to say the Solo cups you mean
Peter, I'm sure goad you found this niche on RUclips. Really appreciate you sharing, teaching, and listening. Thanks for juggling so many balls & covering the info in a logical, cohesive format, no matter what questions or tech distractions come up. You rock. We're blessed you're here. Hope you find many return blessings from this gig.
I've always thought that the gash on the back of his head looked more like an impression of a barbell from the gym in the basement. A head wound also bleeds out more heavily. The gash does not appear to line up as a hit and run. That's my opinion anyway....the altercation was inside, in the basement. The body wss moved outdoors, and the dog got to it....
Lally was like a lullaby talking I fell asleep 2x lol
He is painfully boring!
I did too!! I’ve been so excited about watching this trial today but I literally could not stay awake 😅
What got me was the pieces of glass just sitting there on the bumper after being moved in a snow storm 🤣
Yeah exactly
I think either the prosecution didn't want to do DNA test because the blood by John may not all be his, or they did a DNA test and the results were bad for the prosecution. And bad for Brian Albert or Brian Higgins or Colin.
Negative because karen hit him
@@Babyd320 Tell me you haven't watched any of the trial without telling me you haven't watched any of the trial
The defense has a leg-up for the sheer fact that its close to impossible for Lally to keep anyone's attention!!! Poor guy.
Woeful police work because they never thought their actions would be scrutinised.
Thanks, Peter. Watching this trial continues to be fascinating, particularly as the uncovered evidence is being revealed in court. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction! Also, it's surprising that local court operations staff can't find a solution to the courtroom audio problems; yet somehow it seems to be par for the course given the mismanagement of the investigation as demonstrated by many other local professionals involved with this case.
6 I think because I feel like the forensic scientist actually helped karen especially on cross when she said the pieces were just laying on bumper and hair still after the drive and the blizzard . Shows that's not possible
idk about that shirt brotha lol. Kidding aside, great stream. This entire case could literally be a movie. But real lives are hanging in the balance which makes it crazy. Just crazy.