I am a former police officer and I have been involved in homicide investigations. Never have I heard of an investigator speaking about a female suspect the way Proctor spoke about Karen Read. That would have caused them to lose their job. No one is saying much about Proctor sharing confidential information about a high profile on going investigation with outsiders, such as his high school buddies. To me, from an operational standpoint, that is just as serious as calling Read names. The evidence gathering, storage, and analysis in this case is comical. Leaf blowers, Solo cups, filled in pools, missing dogs, small pieces of plastic on the lawn spotted from a moving car, no security on the crime scene for 12 hours, any of which could have caused the case to be tossed after a supression hearing. Terrible investigation by unqualified investigators. Not to mention the "stuff" guy. He was embarrassing.
“stuff” guy versus the Crash Daddies… How on earth did this case make it to trial? Guess there must have been a lot of pressure from people trying to cover their asses, toward people in power who owed favours.
Are you serious? You don't think police say in private what Proctor said about Karen Read and worse about any person they arrest? You're either very naive or you're not a former police officer.
@@Resmith18SRit’s called discretion. If we don’t focus on the horrific nature of the texts, yes you are right that basically all humans talk shit. But an investigator should know not to put their grossness in writing. And, if they’re going to put in writing on their personal devices, then they should absolutely know not to legally open the door to their personal devices during a trial they are integrally involved with, which Proctor (or I guess someone he talked to) clearly had to in some way in order for the lawyers to have obtained access to it. It’s not about the fact that no one says these words. It’s about the fact that he was so stupid or arrogant that he brought the spotlight onto himself. He is literally trained on obtaining evidence for the expressed purpose of getting people into legal trouble. It can’t be argued that he wouldn’t know this stuff. Clearly he felt that the things he said would NEVER be seen, especially in an incriminating way, which is just straight up stupid or arrogant. No other explanation. This is like the difference between talking shit about someone to your best friend VS documenting your incriminating shit in writing at your workplace directly to your bosses. One of them is pretty normal human behavior and the other is just fucking stupid. He works with other cops who are also trained on this and have an interest in protecting themselves and their jobs. He was stupid as hell for putting himself in the position where other cops could use his words as a deflection for anything they’ve done. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buchenik threw him under the bus when the pressure was turned on. So it’s not that cops don’t say it, it’s that typically cops have enough street smarts to understand how this could be turned against them.
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The people of Massachusetts need to rebel against this ridiculous “suspension” of Michael Proctor. Taxpayer money pays his crazy high salary. There is no way this man should be getting paid on suspension. He needs to be decertified and never work as a LE officer again.
His union will demand they go thru the steps before they can him entirely. I’ll be shocked if it goes that far-he’ll be rehomed with a promotion and better pay at another department.
$184,000/year?!? I have a Master’s Degree and 34 years of teaching experience. Retired at $72,000/year. Our country is messed up! Altho I appreciate all law enforcement and believe their lives are often endangered. However, public schools are not the safest either.
Yes, police officer pay is public and every officer I've personally looked up (barring 1st and 2nd year rookies) have made $115k/year or more... sometimes much more. As a teacher, you should correct people when they say "teachers and police officers" are underpaid. Teachers are woefully underpaid. Police officers are not, especially considering the minimal education and incredibly low bar to become one.
PREACH 🙌🙌🙌 At least if I'm bad at my job, it doesn't ruin anyone's life or put anyone in danger. It's very concerning that the MSP hiring & firing standards are so low.
so glad you said this. my thoughts exactly. the fact this women-hating piece of garbage makes 180k+, makes me sick. I'm passionate about my career and I could never be the level of incompetent that Proctor is as a law enforcement officer, even if I tried. it's completely disgusting that someone like that can thrive in a career that is supposed to be held to a higher standard. it terrifies me that him and his buddies were given weapons and authority.
What is WILD to me is that MSP basically ADMITTED that they NEVER would have looked into Proctor's misconduct had the DEFENSE not ellicited the damning testimony from Proctor!!
She wasn't charged with a DUI accept as part of the 3rd charge, DUI and leaving the scene of an accident, which was one of the ones the jury supposedly found her not guilty on. She didn't plead guilty on anything.
The only accident I’ve seen is her tapping John’s car on private property. Because it’s on private property it doesn’t have to be reported as an accident. My mom did something similar hitting a truck my dad had with his car on their own property. So clearly no accident report barely more than a scratch. So I don’t see how they can charge her with leaving the scene of an accident, unless their cover up works and the jury buys their own narrative of what happened. Which I don’t believe happened at all. And pathetic that Proctor is still receiving a government salary.
What about his bosses who were responding to his inappropriate texts without telling him to knock it off? They care just as bad as him, maybe worse because they did not supervise him at the time.
These days the media doesn't seem to ask the pertinent questions on anything serious anymore! They also base their reporting on their own opinions. I miss the days of honest hard hitting reporting, in other words honest journalism! 😭
I’m pretty sure the FBI is already investigating. They were the ones who took possession of the text messages on Proctors phone and the DA knew about this.
Funny. I’ve worked for some administrators who were bullies, incompetent, CYA types. They were eventually let go. Often things hv a way of working themselves out.
I was on a jury once. It's amazing how, if you do things right and don't discuss the case until deliberations, you can be completely surprised by how other jurors see the case. I ate lunch with and talk to one juror all the time. We could have been best friends in the making. Then we went to deliberations. And found out we were polar opposites on how we thought of the case and the evidence. Our jury did come to a conclusion and decided on an award (civil case) in the end, and deliberations weren't really contentious, but it was really eye-opening to me.
Yep. It's called "The Law of the Lid" - meaning, the people below the leader act like the leader or worse than the leader. But a good, honest leader would never have guys like Proctor working for him.
Proctor wasn't fired. They sent him downstream. He was never reprimanded by an immediate superior. The problems in that department are clearly systemic and disgusting. The massachusetts police commissioner coming out and speaking of this today is a joke. That area has had multiple complaints.
I completely agree 👏👏 coming out after the dog pisses on the rug doesn’t do an anything for the ppl to trust them. If proctor aka “ ballon knot “ was involved in case myself or family was involved with in the past I’d be raising hell to get into what he did with it
@ninastanek3388 Lally would be silly to retry this case. Nothing should be done until the investigations into Proctor, Higgins, Albert, and those involved in KRs' investigation have been completed and disclosed.
The judge ordered their cellphone's and the day before Albert stated in court, basical oh well I decided to get a new one for my birthday, and the judge did nothing. She is also corrupt obviously, everyone should be under investigation.
The MSP needs a total rehab and rehaul. I say this as a native. I’m sick and tired of the bs between state police labs being fraudulently mishandled a couple years ago, and obvious corruption.
I heard the jury was hung up on "lesser charges" which means the jury instructions were so bad that they did not realize that since they acquitted her on murder ten they didn't have to go any further. Is that right if this was the case. What a messed up case. I feel like Judge Bev did everything she could to hurt the defense.
The only way they would get to the lesser charges is if they acquitted her on murder 2. I also haven’t seen anything on the split from any reputable sources. Do you know if another juror spoke out? I’m so curious about the split
Anyone who would vote guilty on any of those charges do not understand the meaning of reasonable doubt. When reputable experts testify the defense’s theory was inconsistent with the injuries, there is reasonable doubt. The only way a juror could vote guilty after that would be the juror had a bias which caused a “personal belief” she was guilty or did not sufficiently comprehend the evidence presented at trial and/the jury instructions.
So MSP were quite happy to sit on their internal investigation and possibly see an innocent woman go to prison BEFORE looking to see if their own troopers planted evidence and let the possible murders go free? Not buying it, they left the trial to run to see if they could get away with it, they are as bad as Proctor! Should have acted immediately and told the DA that their evidence was unsafe.
I agree 💯 %. MSP is a really corrupt dept. I grew up in LE. Shananigans… yes, but not at this level. I moved to Mass a year ago. Folks are extremely afraid of MSP. Read is everyone of us. Look out, cops have TOO much power!
Absolutely my thoughts too and I wonder if Karen was found guilty would they have done anything to Proctor ? This whole situation is a joke , if they cared so much they would’ve started investigating a long time ago. They’re just playing defense now
Is anyone really surprised, seriously? This is further proof that these law enforcement agencies involved want and reward officers that are willing to engage in illegal behavior to support their preconceived notions of guilt and innocence on the very citizens they are supposed to be protecting. They have completely demonstrated ,at the highest level to street level officers ,a propensity to enact frame-ups to support their cultish conviction culture and integral bias against certain populations in our society. Right now they're just in CYA mode and hope the public forgets. Proctor is a pathetic villain and so is anyone that gives him aid and comfort. Peter's comparison to pedophiles priests is spot-on. Free Karen✊
He’s a trooper, its higher than a normal cop. Im fine with this salary for someone investing crimes BUT this trooper don’t deserve a penny of this money. He’s disgusting
By charging $10 for MacDonald's, $4 for gas........most people think they are underpaid and need more training. I say they are exactly what is sought and bought. I don't have it is any accident that government agents act and think the way they do. No rebuke from the superiors. No immediate action taken. Proctor isnt "one of the bad apples". Proctor is just a slightly worse version of the general average. This department doesn't seem much different than so many others across the country. In fact, this seems to be a miniaturized version of what we see at the federal level. Proctor is just one festering pimple symptomizing a deeper disease. Lack of individual accountability and equal protection under the law, seem to be the things that when missing, result in situations like this coverup. What is clear and obvious is what isn't being discussed. We can be quite certain that John O'Keefe wasn't killed in the manner the state presented. The investigation was bungled, botched and "hyper-focusd" on proving an already reached conclusion. The evidence was irreparably tainted and impeached. The outcome of this prosecution, regardless of the verdict, is that no New suspect can reasonably be tried. Whoever committed the crime will never be prosecuted because the entire investigation / prosecution, was never intended to get a conviction. The entire coverup was done by mudding the waters , discrediting the evidence, showing the negligence and incompetence to hide the intentional nature. It is quite likely, at least some of the individuals involved in this coverup, actually believe(d) in Karen Read's guilt. The ends justify the means when motivation directs reason. Imagine trying to argue a conviction against Brian Higgins for killing John O'Keefe. The defense would simply point to this case as evidence of reasonable doubt. Who are we going to charge next week when this next prosecution fails? Brian Albert? The plow truck driver? The actual goal was accomplished and the chances of anyone breaking now depends on how the feds proceed. If they proceed. Time to move on according to the plan. Just thoughts.
Guys- I was in the civil service game for a while so you can take it from me: Proctor is on his way out the door, permanently. The police unions are extremely strong, and the contract they have with police department makes cops un-fireable without a lengthy process of investigation, documentation, and review. Putting someone on paid leave is simply the first step in that process. The fact that he’s keeping his salary, again, means absolutely nothing and you shouldn’t read into that at all because there’s no meaning behind it whatsoever. That’s also part of the process. First you put them on administrative leave, then you do an internal investigation, then you begin the firing process, then there are hearings, the a decision is made, then there’s a review, then it’s finalized, and then he can appeal. After that, if his appeal is denied, he’ll be gone from the department forever and will be unemployable as a police officer anywhere in Massachusetts and probably the country. So, don’t worry. They’re on step one and I believe it’s a 30 day process in most places. So any bar owners in the area, y’all might wanna keep a lookout for a resume for a dishwasher spot open.
@@koolblue6927the original poster is 100% correct. I have family members on the L.A. Sheriff's Dept and he outlined the process perfectly and accurately. 😊
If the Commonwealth rep tries this case, they need to get rid of that biased judge because she did not help the defence in anyway she was all for the prosecution and that’s not right. She’s supposed to be not biased. She needs to be removed from the case for sure.
She was obvious that the judge was annoyed with Karen Read and her antics in Court. Karen's lawyers need to muzzle her. This was a trial not a Reality show for Karen Read. She talked way too much to the media and appeared to love all the media attention and perhaps Judge Cannone felt Karen was making a mockery of the trial?? That courtroom belonged to the Judge NOT Karen Read.
Proctor should’ve been gone a long time ago. Waiting for the trial to finish was dirty. They know it could’ve helped the defense so they waited. And he shouldn’t have been transferred, he should be fired. Hes not the only dirty cop there either, that’s for sure. Immediate action would’ve been a lonnnnnnnng time ago
The state police superintendant held a news conference stating this conduct would not be tolerated,blah,blah. He did a great job of BS. He should be removed also.
MSP knows this is bad following the trial and public opinion and that is the only reason Mr Cop stood there telling us how seriously they are taking this. But it wasn’t serious enough before, when Karen was being buried alive by MSP police corruption and nobody will be held accountable in a significant way.
The MSP werent aware of the texts outside of Proctor and his superiors until it was released by the DOJ/FBI investigation. I'm not defending them by any means but the trial was what brought those to light. With that said, makes it even more infuriating as Tully and Bukheinik were not disciplined/investigated also
If they were serious about it, they would’ve said and done it within the 16 months they had. Ridiculous and disgusting “effort” by the CW. We want action, not BS words
Relocated ? That means he gets to be someone else's headache....My opinion is He should lose his job. Pension..and qualified immunity....as should the rest of them, including his Supervisor...
Getting rid of Proctor is not nearly enough. Morrissey is a joke and he needs to go, as does Yuri, Tully and many others! There is so much corruption here it’s not funny. As a Mass tax payer, I don’t want to continue to pay there salaries, I want honest police that communities can trust and feel safe around! I’m someone who support the police in general, but what has been going on far too long is disgusting! There are good cops who have to work under this dark shadow. No one hates a dirty cop more than a good cop …. And the public they are supposed to serve. And, for that matter, every single PD in every town in Massachusetts needs to do the same starting with Boston and CANTON!! I’m hopeful the FBI have big plans for all that’s happening, and hoping they will help KR clear her name as innocent!
I think the way they all protected Colin Albert is so telling to me every single person tried to protect that kid. He was 17 at the time really think he is a major player in this. All of his Dads police buddies helped out
I agree. Especially after watching him and his family go after turtle boy the other week. That was wild to watch. That whole family is unhinged and violent.
IKR. It’s easy to get distracted with the Jen McCabes and Albert Higgins who are taking the brunt of the third party culprit spotlight because there is so much more evidence to consider with them (thanks to Proctor not actually investigating everyone who appeared at Fairview that night) but it’s interesting to look at what everyone did not say in their initial interviews. They did not list Colin as being there around the same window as JOK arrived. So suspicious
The MSP should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Proctor should have been rehomed as soon as his vile behavior became apparent. Waiting for the trial to end was ridiculous. The MSP and their corrupt and incompetent troopers continually insult John and his family by refusing to actually take full accountability or perform a real professional investigation into his death. I feel bad for MA taxpayers that are footing the 6 figure salaries for these beyond worthless cops
🤜🏼🤛🏼 Agree 💯‼️ They’ve KNOWN about this for YEARS… ridiculous they wait till the jury hung? I call bullshit…total bullshit.. MA residents, how do you allow this? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@BlackStump172they were lied to by the “investigators” and I find it hard to believe that they STILL believe the CW’s version of John’s death. If I were his family, I would be seriously questioning what the evidence says, not the police-who have every reason to lie. It’s unfortunate as we see this happen a lot w/victim’s families. I get it-but I would feel extremely manipulated (by the cops & state) & I would be rethinking everything.
@BlackStump172 they SHOULD be insulted, and what they WANT is irrelevant, for real, especially given there hasn't been an ACTUAL investigation into his death.
Peter, I appreciate you covering this trial. This trial and the extending issues with the case. This case is important. Because this happens every where and it is time for LE change, accountability, etc.
His supervisors need to be looked into as well. The disgusting texts went to them, so it shows it was allowed and accepted by those above him. Boston police should be apologising to Karen Read too, for the abuse that she faced from Proctor!!
It sounds like the higher ups also engage in that behavior and isn't discouraged from doing it. Because even talking to the higher up the same way he talked to his buddies about Karen but wasn't reprimanded tells me all I need to know! If they do retry, I'd ask for a different judge because it's obvious she's predujudiced against the defense, also her relationship with the families! So close that they call her Aunt Bev!
There needs to be a protocol that is followed in an investigation. Nothing that happened here showed me a proper protocol that was followed if they even had one.
That was my concern as well. I was concerned that some of the jurors had lost focus, thinking it was their job to solve the case before deciding reasonable doubt on the charges. In hindsight it still appears that way to me.
it's more insulting that, despite the lack of evidence we all saw, there were juror who 100% believed she was guilty. There are rumors that a juror is an ex cop, and some have close relationships with cops in the area.
@@DanyPolloo please stop already with blaming law Enforcement-It is just so offensive to continue to seek to point finger at law Enforcement. Reality check her SUV recorded her reversing 62 ft at 24 mph hitting John 'Keefe. 100% independent evidence.
First thing I thought about Proctor " like shuffling the pedo priests," so I'm glad put that out there. But it's also not just the disgusting texts and "unprofessionalism" as MSP says. There's waaay too much fishy stuff about Proctor's rush to judgement; he said, "based on the fact that Karen Read hit a police officer and left him to die...." That was not a fact for him to be judge and jury about after so little time. Also, "the guy whose house it is, is a Boston cop, too, " so he didn't EVEN go in the house, or investigate the people at the gathering.
It's not that it came out in the testimony at trial; it's that it came out to the public at large as a result of the testimony at trial, and of all y'all's coverage. Thanks very much.
Turtleboy discovered quite a bit of evidence and interviewed the snow plow driver before Karen's attorneys even knew about him - Turtleboy/Aidan deserves credit.
@@marygoff3332 Thank you for giving credit where it's due. I haven't seen a lot of Mr. Kearney's coverage, but I'm aware he's been an important source of information for a lot of people.
True. And they were already delusional going to trial with such a leaky chain of evidence and so much highly disputable evidence and witness accounts. I feel like the whole thing was a train they couldn’t get off even if they wanted to. Someone made the decision to give the benefit of the doubt to a colleague or worse do a little favour for a mate that is now being held over them. And that must be a domino effect up the ranks and through the DA office. To make it to trial the first time with such an unsound case there must have been immense pressure from people with a lot to loose. They’re going to keep trying to blame and convict Karen until they are stopped by the weight of public opinion as more and more state staff are discredited and corruption comes to light.
MSP is trying to gaslight everyone regarding Proctor and the systemic issues they clearly have, and have known they have, within their force. Waiting to do this until minutes after the mistrial is enraging and makes it feel like they only kept him to try to convict her. MSP needed to do the right thing as soon as they learned about this.
One retired fed posited that Brian Albert, the actual murderer, has dirt on somebody much higher up the food chain, did some dirty work for a politician or some other higher level person and is being protected to keep that dirt hidden.
I don't think anyone in the prosecution camp wants the public to see Jackson get another run at tearing their fable apart... They were just talking tough for their true believers and.....to run up Karen Read attorney fees. Just because Read is innocent doesn't mean that she isn't still their enemy.
MSP Spokesman says they're working on "gaining the public's trust," and claiming they only learned of this during the trial, while simultaneously "sidestepping" the facts... That means LYING. Again. On top of lies. This clown's remarks "from the top" give a CLEAR indication that dishonesty, lack of professional ethics, and illegal conduct are ENDEMIC in the entire organization. I'd never live in Massachusetts under any circumstances, but this is disgraceful.
The chain of custody was broken with all of the evidence', the crime scene wasn’t secured, and the cops never went into the house where the murder occurred.
With his lies and deceit he will never be able to write a report, or be a witness for trial, ever again. I wonder how many will file to have their cases relooked into that he investigated.
He should be fired no one should act like him, he didn't investigate the home which should have been done asap. it was like it just stopped with Karen.
You're so appreciated, Peter! One of the many shocking details of this trial was all of the driving under the influence especially by LE. 🤯 I drink alcohol , but responsibility. This community can't be trusted. In my opinion.
agree. they had to know what testimony..plus any scuttlebutt about texts .etc those receiving and commenting are just as guilty as they condoned their counterparts behevior..should have nixed but obviously no one did.
My husband is a retired LVMPD police officer. One of the other officers let my husband drive into an ambush while he parked and hid while my husband drove in to deal with an active sh**ter. The cowardly officer was fired. Yet he was hired by a small Indian reservation police department, and promoted to sgt. He was then demoted for another cowardly act. But is still employed as a police officer.
I’m so proud of your husband and thankful he’s retired. It’s such a shame we all have to give a list of references when we apply for a job but past employees are only allowed to answer the question “Would you hire this person again?” I live in SC and this one question that can be answered with only a yes or no is not a true reference to someone’s character. Bad people always find a way to get a new job, even if it’s short lived because their true character comes out. It’s such an injustice to the employers and communities of wherever the coward is employed next. The only way this ends is exposure and consequences.
Here’s a tip, colonel. Don’t claim the department took “immediate action” in one breath, and then acknowledge working on the issues for 16 months in the next breath. THIS is exactly why the public thinks they’re a joke.
Proctor only got excused from duties when the prosecution lost, makes me think they would have kept him on in service if the jury voted guilty.i Amazing how his behaviour was only an issue after the hung jury. How the hell are they going to retry this case it's a shit show.
He is no good clearly stating a bunch of BS. He should be replaced and I hope the people and the media hold him responsible for his terrible department.
@@lucyduncan6236 what evidence did you get from mr lally that she killed him ? the fbi witnesses paid by the government not defense said that car did not strike the officer . the bad behavior of the officer deserved to be fired from his job. whether she did the crime or not , what he did during the investigation was disgusting and non professional. violating someone's rights, informing non police personnel of crime information, that's unbecoming of an officer n deserves to be let go. would you want him investigating a crime you committed if he had hatred n bias against you ?
@@lucyduncan6236I assume your referring to the drunk-driving McAlbert clan, who are responsible for Officer O’Keefe’s death and currently evading justice
@@christinao522 No. Her blood alcohol was .08 at 9:30 AM which means she was intoxicated. She had 7 vodkas at just one bar. She may also have thrown back a few when she got home. Imagine what is was during the time she hit him.
The US is so wild. The only way you get a reasonable amount of paid leave, not as a general part of your role, not by having a child, not even a death in the family. No, just be in a position of power then be wholly unethical and woefully unprofessional and incompetent at your job.
@@vickithomas179 bunch of shanties, they did it to themselves with the shanty behavoir. Even if they didn't do anything, they screwed themselves by their spiteful judgement of KR. So shocking and embarassing
@@vickithomas179 well at least she called him by his name instead of 'that guy' who was a respected officer. We call them Shanties. That is what that group was, nothing but shanties.
I just can't with this guy. Only one of the officers that testified referred to Officer John Okeefe as an officer. Absolutely despicable, and this is the reason police have lost respect from the people.
I think i heard there were motions where they decided ahead of trial for him to be referred to as mr instead of officer, because of something about reminding them he was an officer could be potentially influencing or somethinf like that. Given the general divided sentiment on law enforcement, that wouldn't surprise me at all though.
I'm absolutely disgusted. I'm a nurse and refused to give upbodily autonomy so I was fired. Fired for refusing to take a faulty experimental drug WITHOUT PAY OF COURSE. I am still not allowed to work almost 3 years now. This disgusting criminal should be jailed for obstruction of justice!! So messed up!
OH MY GOD. After 4 years of absolute deadly corruption from Govt, Pharma, Hospitals, I am now not only petrified of having to go to a hospital, I am petrified of ever having to be involved in any type of court case. The corruption is endemic, systematic, pervasive, universal. Good for you for sticking to your guns.
Can the defense ask for an Aquital when they go back to court on the 21 st? Proctor should be fired with no pension and fire YURI and chief Rafferty fire them all
Thank you Peter. This trial wasn’t their MSP FINEST HOUR. Prayers for Karen Read that there isn’t another trial and it’s finished w a lesser lesser filing.
Gov. Healey says state police ‘made the right decision' by relieving Michael Proctor of duty. You'd think by her saying relieved of his duty. he was fired. But he was transferred, not relieved. it should not be about just the names that he called her. It should also include his lack investigation, not writing reports, chain of custody, not taking pictures. Now all the McAlberts need to do is re home Colin. I really think this kid, is not going to be able to help himself, getting drunk and bragging about doing the cop to friends.
I was too - but the evidence has shown there is no way he was hit by a car - even just the arm injuries prove that - but there is SO MUCH MORE evidence to the contrary and ZERO evidence showing he was hit by a car. I mean, how would he end up 30 feet from the curb and have zero broken bones? That shows me he was dragged to the spot he was found. Sadly. And no one group of friends and family has so many butt dials at the same time and on the same days. Also, why did Albert & Higgins get rid of their phones the day before they were to have them confiscated? She is not guilty. No doubt in the world.
Same here! I was disgusted by the evidence collection, but thought surely they had *something* if they were prosecuting. I kept waiting for it, and the first nail in the coffin was the ME. All the experts at the end convinced me she couldn't have hit him with her car to cause that combination of injuries. He had so many injuries to his head/brain, they weren't all documented. One hit with a vehicle isn't going to cause all those injuries to the head, with NO broken bones or bruising to the body (aside from the ones from CPR). A lot of the people who think she did it think so because, "the evidence only points to her and she said she hit him." Just ignoring that the investigation *only* looked at her so they didn't collect any evidence pointing anywhere else, and she may or may not have said she hit him, but the evidence doesn't show she actually did.
You can start building trust by getting rid of everyone of those officers who lied on the stand, who covered up a murder committed by someone other than Karen Read ( and you know it) Everyone who returned to the Albert household that night charged with DUI. Pay Karen’s legal fees. The list could write a book.
There was no massive amount of blood in the snow!! He bleed out on the basement floor of that house!!! And the Alfred’s know it!!! Dudes a retired cop and never even went outside in his own front yard!!! WTF
He was nevertheless in that house. Karen read is a lying manipulative woman. Just think if Sarah Boone wasn’t videoed and was more attractive what would y’all say.
I am seriously angry and disgusted. The Commonwealth needs to give Karen Read her life back. This corruption should be cause for dismissal of all charges against her. Realistically I know that ain’t gonna happen.
You should watch the Canton town meetings. Everyone who is not a well-connected townie is treated as lesser by the police. At least that's what they're saying. Some have been threatened after speaking out, and allegedly Mr. Albert, unlike normal people, has a phone number for the police that someone will pick up immediately-a privilege that others don't have. Seriously, the people were BEGGING for change but got ignored. Police audits that were painfully won were assigned to someone who was against them. The people wanted the police chief gone (her contract was over), but they renewed the contract for another year. And then they had the audacity to say, "We are currently not looking for input from the public." I mean, WTF?! In the beginning, I thought a whole conspiracy was a bit much, but after seeing the whole thing going on outside of the trial makes me a lot more open to it. I have never seen people so desperate in those meetings, but those selectmen were just ignoring the hell out of them.
Watching after the live, but if I were a taxpayer in the Norfolk district, I would start a petition demanding that the CW NOT retry this case. There is very little that the CW can bring to a retrial other than what has been testified to already. They can’t go back and change the investigation or lack of investigation to work with. It would be an effort in futility.
The Read supporters hopefully will start a petition to stop the retrial. Great idea. That’s a lot more productive than standing on the street and yelling all day long!
I am a former police officer and I have been involved in homicide investigations. Never have I heard of an investigator speaking about a female suspect the way Proctor spoke about Karen Read. That would have caused them to lose their job. No one is saying much about Proctor sharing confidential information about a high profile on going investigation with outsiders, such as his high school buddies. To me, from an operational standpoint, that is just as serious as calling Read names. The evidence gathering, storage, and analysis in this case is comical. Leaf blowers, Solo cups, filled in pools, missing dogs, small pieces of plastic on the lawn spotted from a moving car, no security on the crime scene for 12 hours, any of which could have caused the case to be tossed after a supression hearing. Terrible investigation by unqualified investigators. Not to mention the "stuff" guy. He was embarrassing.
Based on your experience, do you have the opinion that there could be a cover up at all? Or more so just a botched investigation?
“stuff” guy versus the Crash Daddies… How on earth did this case make it to trial? Guess there must have been a lot of pressure from people trying to cover their asses, toward people in power who owed favours.
Are you serious? You don't think police say in private what Proctor said about Karen Read and worse about any person they arrest? You're either very naive or you're not a former police officer.
@@Resmith18SR are you also an officer? If so, what is your opinion on the investigation?
Edit: besides what y’all text each other lol
@@Resmith18SRit’s called discretion. If we don’t focus on the horrific nature of the texts, yes you are right that basically all humans talk shit. But an investigator should know not to put their grossness in writing. And, if they’re going to put in writing on their personal devices, then they should absolutely know not to legally open the door to their personal devices during a trial they are integrally involved with, which Proctor (or I guess someone he talked to) clearly had to in some way in order for the lawyers to have obtained access to it. It’s not about the fact that no one says these words. It’s about the fact that he was so stupid or arrogant that he brought the spotlight onto himself. He is literally trained on obtaining evidence for the expressed purpose of getting people into legal trouble. It can’t be argued that he wouldn’t know this stuff. Clearly he felt that the things he said would NEVER be seen, especially in an incriminating way, which is just straight up stupid or arrogant. No other explanation. This is like the difference between talking shit about someone to your best friend VS documenting your incriminating shit in writing at your workplace directly to your bosses. One of them is pretty normal human behavior and the other is just fucking stupid. He works with other cops who are also trained on this and have an interest in protecting themselves and their jobs. He was stupid as hell for putting himself in the position where other cops could use his words as a deflection for anything they’ve done. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buchenik threw him under the bus when the pressure was turned on. So it’s not that cops don’t say it, it’s that typically cops have enough street smarts to understand how this could be turned against them.
The people of Massachusetts need to rebel against this ridiculous “suspension” of Michael Proctor. Taxpayer money pays his crazy high salary. There is no way this man should be getting paid on suspension. He needs to be decertified and never work as a LE officer again.
His union will demand they go thru the steps before they can him entirely. I’ll be shocked if it goes that far-he’ll be rehomed with a promotion and better pay at another department.
The union needs to pay for his defense, not the people..
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@@hillaryclinton1314he should be paying for his own damn defence. We all heard his disgusting testimony.
Considering the strong words from the Governor, I truly believe that she influenced this decision by MSP.
$184,000/year?!? I have a Master’s Degree and 34 years of teaching experience. Retired at $72,000/year. Our country is messed up! Altho I appreciate all law enforcement and believe their lives are often endangered. However, public schools are not the safest either.
Yes, police officer pay is public and every officer I've personally looked up (barring 1st and 2nd year rookies) have made $115k/year or more... sometimes much more. As a teacher, you should correct people when they say "teachers and police officers" are underpaid. Teachers are woefully underpaid. Police officers are not, especially considering the minimal education and incredibly low bar to become one.
PREACH 🙌🙌🙌
At least if I'm bad at my job, it doesn't ruin anyone's life or put anyone in danger. It's very concerning that the MSP hiring & firing standards are so low.
so glad you said this. my thoughts exactly. the fact this women-hating piece of garbage makes 180k+, makes me sick. I'm passionate about my career and I could never be the level of incompetent that Proctor is as a law enforcement officer, even if I tried. it's completely disgusting that someone like that can thrive in a career that is supposed to be held to a higher standard. it terrifies me that him and his buddies were given weapons and authority.
@@kristina__marie agreed. I think it is absolutely terrifying that people like this are in positions of authority.
Over 50 % of that salary is overtime so they are never home...
What is WILD to me is that MSP basically ADMITTED that they NEVER would have looked into Proctor's misconduct had the DEFENSE not ellicited the damning testimony from Proctor!!
If she pled to a DUI? All the cops that admitted being drunk that drove that night should be charged the same!
Unfortunately, they weren't tested.
She wasn't charged with a DUI accept as part of the 3rd charge, DUI and leaving the scene of an accident, which was one of the ones the jury supposedly found her not guilty on. She didn't plead guilty on anything.
The only accident I’ve seen is her tapping John’s car on private property. Because it’s on private property it doesn’t have to be reported as an accident. My mom did something similar hitting a truck my dad had with his car on their own property. So clearly no accident report barely more than a scratch. So I don’t see how they can charge her with leaving the scene of an accident, unless their cover up works and the jury buys their own narrative of what happened. Which I don’t believe happened at all. And pathetic that Proctor is still receiving a government salary.
They never even proved he died from being hit by a car. I can’t believe they didn’t have a verdict in ten minutes
Agreed
Remember the Albert's paid alot of witnesses.
@@KathleenHelms-nq1vk but proof is needed
juror plants - tht whole town is corrupt
Exactly!!
What about his bosses who were responding to his inappropriate texts without telling him to knock it off? They care just as bad as him, maybe worse because they did not supervise him at the time.
This!! Why is the media not asking about this? Shows this is a systemic issue that runs deep in that department.
They created that environment he felt comfortable in !!
@johannawigg6921 yep, totally agree.
The statement that Sh#t rolls downhill comes to mind!
These days the media doesn't seem to ask the pertinent questions on anything serious anymore! They also base their reporting on their own opinions. I miss the days of honest hard hitting reporting, in other words honest journalism! 😭
Letting the police investigate the police is like letting students grade their own tests.
Send in the FBI to do this
I’m pretty sure the FBI is already investigating. They were the ones who took possession of the text messages on Proctors phone and the DA knew about this.
Exactly. Too much impropriety within the MSP. Proctor and others brought shame a distrust they bestowed on the citizens
Are you implying that people would not grade their work fairly? I find people are harder on grading themselves than others.
Funny. I’ve worked for some administrators who were bullies, incompetent, CYA types. They were eventually let go. Often things hv a way of working themselves out.
I was on a jury once. It's amazing how, if you do things right and don't discuss the case until deliberations, you can be completely surprised by how other jurors see the case. I ate lunch with and talk to one juror all the time. We could have been best friends in the making. Then we went to deliberations. And found out we were polar opposites on how we thought of the case and the evidence. Our jury did come to a conclusion and decided on an award (civil case) in the end, and deliberations weren't really contentious, but it was really eye-opening to me.
Behavior like Proctor's doesn't happen in a vacuum, it trickles down from the top.
Yep. It's called "The Law of the Lid" - meaning, the people below the leader act like the leader or worse than the leader. But a good, honest leader would never have guys like Proctor working for him.
Proctor wasn't fired. They sent him downstream. He was never reprimanded by an immediate superior. The problems in that department are clearly systemic and disgusting. The massachusetts police commissioner coming out and speaking of this today is a joke. That area has had multiple complaints.
The FBI are investigating the investigation
@@kathyw4212haha exactly
😂 Very laughable 😅
I completely agree 👏👏 coming out after the dog pisses on the rug doesn’t do an anything for the ppl to trust them. If proctor aka “ ballon knot “ was involved in case myself or family was involved with in the past I’d be raising hell to get into what he did with it
This lecture by the Top Cop is ALOT of Baloney. IMHO
Proctor committed perjury when he told federal courts he didn’t know the Alberts
Proctor committed many crimes here. Many.
And who’s going to charge him? Lally probably not
@@ninastanek3388I bet Lally would if they told him to. Not like you get to pick your cases as a prosecutor
@@Dontbelieve9 But then he can’t retry Karen Reads case. And yes he can refuse to prosecute someone
@ninastanek3388 Lally would be silly to retry this case. Nothing should be done until the investigations into Proctor, Higgins, Albert, and those involved in KRs' investigation have been completed and disclosed.
Albert & Higgins also need to be under investigation bc of destroyed phone data
The judge ordered their cellphone's and the day before Albert stated in court, basical oh well I decided to get a new one for my birthday, and the judge did nothing. She is also corrupt obviously, everyone should be under investigation.
I just keep hearing Higgins say, "Yor Hot" to Karen when he was texting her. Gross. I couldn't date a man that talks like that. That damn accent!!
Pressure Higgins. He will flip
@@unapologeticallyauthentic SHE...said it first....just one compliment....as she was reeling him in.
@@StephenRollins-x5v He knows....KR knows.... We want to know...how it all went down.
The MSP needs a total rehab and rehaul. I say this as a native. I’m sick and tired of the bs between state police labs being fraudulently mishandled a couple years ago, and obvious corruption.
Proctor needs to lose his pension.
I heard the jury was hung up on "lesser charges" which means the jury instructions were so bad that they did not realize that since they acquitted her on murder ten they didn't have to go any further. Is that right if this was the case. What a messed up case. I feel like Judge Bev did everything she could to hurt the defense.
That's been no where on the news.they were split
The only way they would get to the lesser charges is if they acquitted her on murder 2. I also haven’t seen anything on the split from any reputable sources. Do you know if another juror spoke out? I’m so curious about the split
Anyone who would vote guilty on any of those charges do not understand the meaning of reasonable doubt. When reputable experts testify the defense’s theory was inconsistent with the injuries, there is reasonable doubt. The only way a juror could vote guilty after that would be the juror had a bias which caused a “personal belief” she was guilty or did not sufficiently comprehend the evidence presented at trial and/the jury instructions.
Yep , tried to outsmart everyone.
10/2 lean on guilty.
Proctor will receive more due process in the IA investigation against him than he gave Karen.
💯💯💯 Sickening.
He has a very powerful police union protecting him. If only we all were afforded those protections…
Exactly this!!!!
So MSP were quite happy to sit on their internal investigation and possibly see an innocent woman go to prison BEFORE looking to see if their own troopers planted evidence and let the possible murders go free? Not buying it, they left the trial to run to see if they could get away with it, they are as bad as Proctor! Should have acted immediately and told the DA that their evidence was unsafe.
Too bad she's not innocent
I agree 💯 %. MSP is a really corrupt dept. I grew up in LE. Shananigans… yes, but not at this level. I moved to Mass a year ago. Folks are extremely afraid of MSP. Read is everyone of us. Look out, cops have TOO much power!
Absolutely my thoughts too and I wonder if Karen was found guilty would they have done anything to Proctor ? This whole situation is a joke , if they cared so much they would’ve started investigating a long time ago. They’re just playing defense now
This trial got him followers. Zero cases that his dad wishes he would spend more time on
@@stephanieperri7747 yep, Damage Control
He needs to be fired and lose his pension , the 60 or so troopers who lied about overtime??? This is much much worse
Shame on you MSP! You are a laughing stock worldwide!
184,000 dollar paid vaction how can you justify paying a cop that much
Imagine what the higher up's make, you can look it up.
Is anyone really surprised, seriously? This is further proof that these law enforcement agencies involved want and reward officers that are willing to engage in illegal behavior to support their preconceived notions of guilt and innocence on the very citizens they are supposed to be protecting. They have completely demonstrated ,at the highest level to street level officers ,a propensity to enact frame-ups to support their cultish conviction culture and integral bias against certain populations in our society. Right now they're just in CYA mode and hope the public forgets. Proctor is a pathetic villain and so is anyone that gives him aid and comfort. Peter's comparison to pedophiles priests is spot-on. Free Karen✊
He’s a trooper, its higher than a normal cop. Im fine with this salary for someone investing crimes BUT this trooper don’t deserve a penny of this money. He’s disgusting
By charging $10 for MacDonald's, $4 for gas........most people think they are underpaid and need more training.
I say they are exactly what is sought and bought. I don't have it is any accident that government agents act and think the way they do.
No rebuke from the superiors. No immediate action taken.
Proctor isnt "one of the bad apples". Proctor is just a slightly worse version of the general average.
This department doesn't seem much different than so many others across the country.
In fact, this seems to be a miniaturized version of what we see at the federal level.
Proctor is just one festering pimple symptomizing a deeper disease.
Lack of individual accountability and equal protection under the law, seem to be the things that when missing, result in situations like this coverup.
What is clear and obvious is what isn't being discussed.
We can be quite certain that John O'Keefe wasn't killed in the manner the state presented.
The investigation was bungled, botched and "hyper-focusd" on proving an already reached conclusion.
The evidence was irreparably tainted and impeached.
The outcome of this prosecution, regardless of the verdict, is that no New suspect can reasonably be tried.
Whoever committed the crime will never be prosecuted because the entire investigation / prosecution, was never intended to get a conviction. The entire coverup was done by mudding the waters , discrediting the evidence, showing the negligence and incompetence to hide the intentional nature.
It is quite likely, at least some of the individuals involved in this coverup, actually believe(d) in Karen Read's guilt.
The ends justify the means when motivation directs reason.
Imagine trying to argue a conviction against Brian Higgins for killing John O'Keefe.
The defense would simply point to this case as evidence of reasonable doubt.
Who are we going to charge next week when this next prosecution fails? Brian Albert? The plow truck driver?
The actual goal was accomplished and the chances of anyone breaking now depends on how the feds proceed. If they proceed.
Time to move on according to the plan.
Just thoughts.
Maybe they will replace hinn with trooper Paul. Not! Lol
Guys- I was in the civil service game for a while so you can take it from me: Proctor is on his way out the door, permanently. The police unions are extremely strong, and the contract they have with police department makes cops un-fireable without a lengthy process of investigation, documentation, and review. Putting someone on paid leave is simply the first step in that process. The fact that he’s keeping his salary, again, means absolutely nothing and you shouldn’t read into that at all because there’s no meaning behind it whatsoever. That’s also part of the process. First you put them on administrative leave, then you do an internal investigation, then you begin the firing process, then there are hearings, the a decision is made, then there’s a review, then it’s finalized, and then he can appeal. After that, if his appeal is denied, he’ll be gone from the department forever and will be unemployable as a police officer anywhere in Massachusetts and probably the country.
So, don’t worry. They’re on step one and I believe it’s a 30 day process in most places. So any bar owners in the area, y’all might wanna keep a lookout for a resume for a dishwasher spot open.
I sure hope you are right. Also the the parties involved in the texts should be harshly admonished. Shameful!
Bet he ends up doing security work.
Thanks for information on the process.. we'll see😮
@@koolblue6927the original poster is 100% correct. I have family members on the L.A. Sheriff's Dept and he outlined the process perfectly and accurately. 😊
Wonder if wifey will get a divorce...
She just told a reporter Karen read is a murderer....
He should have been relieved of his duties when this all started. He needs to be fired. How many other cases has he compromised?
They didn't count on Karen having such good and thorough lawyers and finding out all the dirty deeds!
Why the hell was Proctor making 184,000.00 dollars a year Ridiculous!!
Surely the Commonwealth needs to wait for an outcome in the FBI investigation before they decide whether to move forward with a retrial?
he should have been Fired.. Period.
He will be
These problems with cops should be first and foremost out before the case starts.
As a punishment for his abhorrent behavior and beyond-bad investigation, he gets a paid vacation. Talk about BS.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM JURORS!!!!
If the Commonwealth rep tries this case, they need to get rid of that biased judge because she did not help the defence in anyway she was all for the prosecution and that’s not right. She’s supposed to be not biased. She needs to be removed from the case for sure.
@@debbymacdonald4842 aunt Bevvy Wevvy.
She was obvious that the judge was annoyed with Karen Read and her antics in Court. Karen's lawyers need to muzzle her. This was a trial not a Reality show for Karen Read. She talked way too much to the media and appeared to love all the media attention and perhaps Judge Cannone felt Karen was making a mockery of the trial?? That courtroom belonged to the Judge NOT Karen Read.
Proctor should’ve been gone a long time ago. Waiting for the trial to finish was dirty. They know it could’ve helped the defense so they waited. And he shouldn’t have been transferred, he should be fired. Hes not the only dirty cop there either, that’s for sure. Immediate action would’ve been a lonnnnnnnng time ago
The state police superintendant held a news conference stating this conduct would not be tolerated,blah,blah.
He did a great job of BS. He should be removed also.
Tully and Buchinik should be gone too!
Why would it effect the trial if the jury wasn't supposed to be watching news or listening to anything about this case during the trial ?
@@krissijane6189 because the defense would've used it as ammunition to put even more holes into the CW's case
They are dirty, right, it all comes from the top. If they had good management non of this would be allowed.
MSP knows this is bad following the trial and public opinion and that is the only reason Mr Cop stood there telling us how seriously they are taking this. But it wasn’t serious enough before, when Karen was being buried alive by MSP police corruption and nobody will be held accountable in a significant way.
The MSP werent aware of the texts outside of Proctor and his superiors until it was released by the DOJ/FBI investigation. I'm not defending them by any means but the trial was what brought those to light. With that said, makes it even more infuriating as Tully and Bukheinik were not disciplined/investigated also
If they were serious about it, they would’ve said and done it within the 16 months they had. Ridiculous and disgusting “effort” by the CW. We want action, not BS words
A paid vacation ? What the hell
Relocated ? That means he gets to be someone else's headache....My opinion is He should lose his job. Pension..and qualified immunity....as should the rest of them, including his Supervisor...
Exactly no more lies
What about Proctors superiors that he text those messages to ? They need to be reprimanded too.
I can’t help but think if she was found guilty nothing would’ve happened with him at all.
Getting rid of Proctor is not nearly enough. Morrissey is a joke and he needs to go, as does Yuri, Tully and many others! There is so much corruption here it’s not funny. As a Mass tax payer, I don’t want to continue to pay there salaries, I want honest police that communities can trust and feel safe around! I’m someone who support the police in general, but what has been going on far too long is disgusting! There are good cops who have to work under this dark shadow. No one hates a dirty cop more than a good cop …. And the public they are supposed to serve. And, for that matter, every single PD in every town in Massachusetts needs to do the same starting with Boston and CANTON!!
I’m hopeful the FBI have big plans for all that’s happening, and hoping they will help KR clear her name as innocent!
I think the way they all protected Colin Albert is so telling to me every single person tried to protect that kid. He was 17 at the time really think he is a major player in this. All of his Dads police buddies helped out
That kid will end up in more trouble. He will hurt someone else
If that truly is the case then trust me down. The road he's going to do something stupid again. Where they can't protect him.
His dad has pretty much gotten away for murder. Only 6 months in jail for hit and run vehicular homicide.
I agree. Especially after watching him and his family go after turtle boy the other week. That was wild to watch. That whole family is unhinged and violent.
IKR. It’s easy to get distracted with the Jen McCabes and Albert Higgins who are taking the brunt of the third party culprit spotlight because there is so much more evidence to consider with them (thanks to Proctor not actually investigating everyone who appeared at Fairview that night) but it’s interesting to look at what everyone did not say in their initial interviews. They did not list Colin as being there around the same window as JOK arrived. So suspicious
The MSP should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Proctor should have been rehomed as soon as his vile behavior became apparent. Waiting for the trial to end was ridiculous. The MSP and their corrupt and incompetent troopers continually insult John and his family by refusing to actually take full accountability or perform a real professional investigation into his death. I feel bad for MA taxpayers that are footing the 6 figure salaries for these beyond worthless cops
🤜🏼🤛🏼 Agree 💯‼️ They’ve KNOWN about this for YEARS… ridiculous they wait till the jury hung? I call bullshit…total bullshit.. MA residents, how do you allow this? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
John’s mother and brother are not insulted as they want Karen in prison .
@@BlackStump172they were lied to by the “investigators” and I find it hard to believe that they STILL believe the CW’s version of John’s death. If I were his family, I would be seriously questioning what the evidence says, not the police-who have every reason to lie. It’s unfortunate as we see this happen a lot w/victim’s families. I get it-but I would feel extremely manipulated (by the cops & state) & I would be rethinking everything.
@BlackStump172 they SHOULD be insulted, and what they WANT is irrelevant, for real, especially given there hasn't been an ACTUAL investigation into his death.
He was transferred to avoid names in lawsuits
The community should null his pension
MSP needs to have its own rehab program. Stop tolerating functional alcoholics on the police force
They’re on it, part of their wellness program (yeah right!)
Peter, I appreciate you covering this trial. This trial and the extending issues with the case. This case is important. Because this happens every where and it is time for LE change, accountability, etc.
I feel like this whole department has issues, if they didn’t fire him, they aren’t taking it seriously enough.
Shouldn’t his supervisors be investigated as well since he was directly texting them with these disgusting messages?
They won’t be investigated and that’s why Proctor won’t be fired.
In theory that would be in the internal affairs investigation. But again that's in theory
How about lead detective lying to the grand jury about not knowing the Alberts
Should have went in the house. Period
His supervisors need to be looked into as well. The disgusting texts went to them, so it shows it was allowed and accepted by those above him. Boston police should be apologising to Karen Read too, for the abuse that she faced from Proctor!!
What a joke! He should have been sacked months ago!
It sounds like the higher ups also engage in that behavior and isn't discouraged from doing it. Because even talking to the higher up the same way he talked to his buddies about Karen but wasn't reprimanded tells me all I need to know! If they do retry, I'd ask for a different judge because it's obvious she's predujudiced against the defense, also her relationship with the families! So close that they call her Aunt Bev!
There needs to be a protocol that is followed in an investigation. Nothing that happened here showed me a proper protocol
that was followed if they even had one.
It feels as though, had she been convicted, it would have been "no harm, no foul" and that's just unacceptable.
Ummmm
Exactly
It's vile they seem to expect the jury to resolve the case for them with such ridiculous, insulting, evidence.
That was my concern as well. I was concerned that some of the jurors had lost focus, thinking it was their job to solve the case before deciding reasonable doubt on the charges. In hindsight it still appears that way to me.
it's more insulting that, despite the lack of evidence we all saw, there were juror who 100% believed she was guilty. There are rumors that a juror is an ex cop, and some have close relationships with cops in the area.
@@DanyPolloo please stop already with blaming law Enforcement-It is just so offensive to continue to seek to point finger at law Enforcement. Reality check her SUV recorded her reversing 62 ft at 24 mph hitting John 'Keefe. 100% independent evidence.
@@AnnMcHaleDid her SUV record her "hitting John"? I'd like to hear more about that and how it records someone being "hit"🤷♀️
@@DanyPolloo
That wouldn’t surprise me one bit!
First thing I thought about Proctor " like shuffling the pedo priests," so I'm glad put that out there. But it's also not just the disgusting texts and "unprofessionalism" as MSP says. There's waaay too much fishy stuff about Proctor's rush to judgement; he said, "based on the fact that Karen Read hit a police officer and left him to die...." That was not a fact for him to be judge and jury about after so little time. Also, "the guy whose house it is, is a Boston cop, too, " so he didn't EVEN go in the house, or investigate the people at the gathering.
It's not that it came out in the testimony at trial; it's that it came out to the public at large as a result of the testimony at trial, and of all y'all's coverage. Thanks very much.
Turtleboy discovered quite a bit of evidence and interviewed the snow plow driver before Karen's attorneys even knew about him - Turtleboy/Aidan deserves credit.
@@marygoff3332 Thank you for giving credit where it's due. I haven't seen a lot of Mr. Kearney's coverage, but I'm aware he's been an important source of information for a lot of people.
What’s getting lost here is an innocent, good man was injured and left outside in a storm to die. How cruel!!
The MSP offered their condolences to the O'Keefes as they should. What about Proctor apologizing to Karen Read? Wow.
Who cares, shanties...my god that area is still Shanty land.
If they have a shit about the O’Keefe’s they would have done a proper investigation
If they retry Read after all this came out they are delusional.
True. And they were already delusional going to trial with such a leaky chain of evidence and so much highly disputable evidence and witness accounts. I feel like the whole thing was a train they couldn’t get off even if they wanted to. Someone made the decision to give the benefit of the doubt to a colleague or worse do a little favour for a mate that is now being held over them. And that must be a domino effect up the ranks and through the DA office. To make it to trial the first time with such an unsound case there must have been immense pressure from people with a lot to loose. They’re going to keep trying to blame and convict Karen until they are stopped by the weight of public opinion as more and more state staff are discredited and corruption comes to light.
Yep. ☑️ That DUI reckless driving manslaughter charge is completely gratuitous.
MSP is trying to gaslight everyone regarding Proctor and the systemic issues they clearly have, and have known they have, within their force. Waiting to do this until minutes after the mistrial is enraging and makes it feel like they only kept him to try to convict her. MSP needed to do the right thing as soon as they learned about this.
agree...
Howie Carr said today that all MSP will be called Proctors instead of troopers.
How does this idiotic State announce retrial after this shitty prosecution - it’s disgusting and embarrassing to be an American
One retired fed posited that Brian Albert, the actual murderer, has dirt on somebody much higher up the food chain, did some dirty work for a politician or some other higher level person and is being protected to keep that dirt hidden.
I don't think anyone in the prosecution camp wants the public to see Jackson get another run at tearing their fable apart...
They were just talking tough for their true believers and.....to run up Karen Read attorney fees. Just because Read is innocent doesn't mean that she isn't still their enemy.
MSP Spokesman says they're working on "gaining the public's trust," and claiming they only learned of this during the trial, while simultaneously "sidestepping" the facts... That means LYING. Again. On top of lies.
This clown's remarks "from the top" give a CLEAR indication that dishonesty, lack of professional ethics, and illegal conduct are ENDEMIC in the entire organization.
I'd never live in Massachusetts under any circumstances, but this is disgraceful.
I caught him at the end referencing the 'trial process' which would include all the hearings and discovery to prepare for trial. Double-talking snake.
Trust is broken
Wow You want the fantasy to be so real Maybe he was unprofessional but he did not plant evidence
The chain of custody was broken with all of the evidence', the crime scene wasn’t secured, and the cops never went into the house where the murder occurred.
16 months to decide to take action on Proctor !! Wow !!
With his lies and deceit he will never be able to write a report, or be a witness for trial, ever again. I wonder how many will file to have their cases relooked into that he investigated.
Exactly I would.
No matter what they do to Proctor, they're going to let him get that sweet, sweet, completely overpaid retirement.
He should be fired no one should act like him, he didn't investigate the home which should have been done asap. it was like it just stopped with Karen.
You're so appreciated, Peter! One of the many shocking details of this trial was all of the driving under the influence especially by LE. 🤯 I drink alcohol , but responsibility. This community can't be trusted. In my opinion.
What about EVERYONE ELSE THAT WAS INVOLVED, HIS BOSSES ETC???
agree. they had to know what testimony..plus any scuttlebutt about texts
.etc
those receiving and commenting are just as guilty as they condoned their counterparts behevior..should have nixed but obviously no one did.
He is obviously taking a hit for the team perhaps?🤷♀️
There's likely to be others IMO - this isn't the first time.
My husband is a retired LVMPD police officer. One of the other officers let my husband drive into an ambush while he parked and hid while my husband drove in to deal with an active sh**ter.
The cowardly officer was fired. Yet he was hired by a small Indian reservation police department, and promoted to sgt. He was then demoted for another cowardly act. But is still employed as a police officer.
I'm so sorry for your husband. But this is how it works with the police departments. One will fire him and another one will scoop them up.
I’m so proud of your husband and thankful he’s retired. It’s such a shame we all have to give a list of references when we apply for a job but past employees are only allowed to answer the question “Would you hire this person again?” I live in SC and this one question that can be answered with only a yes or no is not a true reference to someone’s character. Bad people always find a way to get a new job, even if it’s short lived because their true character comes out. It’s such an injustice to the employers and communities of wherever the coward is employed next. The only way this ends is exposure and consequences.
So sad
Karma will get him
That's crazy
Proctor should be in jail
Here’s a tip, colonel. Don’t claim the department took “immediate action” in one breath, and then acknowledge working on the issues for 16 months in the next breath. THIS is exactly why the public thinks they’re a joke.
Proctor only got excused from duties when the prosecution lost, makes me think they would have kept him on in service if the jury voted guilty.i Amazing how his behaviour was only an issue after the hung jury. How the hell are they going to retry this case it's a shit show.
I thought the same - maybe just a slap on the wrist for publicity purposes if a guilty verdict had been reached.
The state police should invest in training for evidence & crash reconstruction
Truth! Their “expert” was a mess.
@@melissab7777and stuff...
Or better yet they should hire real experts. You can’t train a monkey to be a physicist no matter how much you invest
Why the Colonel did not apologize to Karen Read as well is intolerable.
He is no good clearly stating a bunch of BS. He should be replaced and I hope the people and the media hold him responsible for his terrible department.
Why should he ? He didn't call her a whack job...
When you are the cause of a cop dying, you are not going to get too many apologies, from other cops.
But she’s not the cause, John was not hit by a vehicle.
“Will
Not be tolerated” - but was
Tolerated.
Since when do cops NOT record interviews... ? Troopers or not!
So if she was found guilty would he have kept his job ? That’s bullcrap
The behavior of a bad cop is no reason to let a drunk driver involved in a homicide to walk with no consequences.
@@lucyduncan6236what evidence presented proves she was drunk driving?
@@lucyduncan6236 what evidence did you get from mr lally that she killed him ? the fbi witnesses paid by the government not defense said that car did not strike the officer .
the bad behavior of the officer deserved to be fired from his job. whether she did the crime or not , what he did during the investigation was disgusting and non professional. violating someone's rights, informing non police personnel of crime information, that's unbecoming of an officer n deserves to be let go. would you want him investigating a crime you committed if he had hatred n bias against you ?
@@lucyduncan6236I assume your referring to the drunk-driving McAlbert clan, who are responsible for Officer O’Keefe’s death and currently evading justice
@@christinao522 No. Her blood alcohol was .08 at 9:30 AM which means she was intoxicated. She had 7 vodkas at just one bar. She may also have thrown back a few when she got home. Imagine what is was during the time she hit him.
The US is so wild. The only way you get a reasonable amount of paid leave, not as a general part of your role, not by having a child, not even a death in the family. No, just be in a position of power then be wholly unethical and woefully unprofessional and incompetent at your job.
Justice for John O'Keefe 💔❤💔
Not at the expense of non guilty Karen Read
We all want that. Just not this way.
@@vickithomas179 bunch of shanties, they did it to themselves with the shanty behavoir. Even if they didn't do anything, they screwed themselves by their spiteful judgement of KR. So shocking and embarassing
@@vickithomas179 well at least she called him by his name instead of 'that guy' who was a respected officer. We call them Shanties. That is what that group was, nothing but shanties.
I wish they had investigated what happened at the Albert residence that night. We may never know now that the evidence has been scrubbed.
Yes please look into Proctor more
He has been transferred to Dept H South Boston ,not as an active Trooper.
I just can't with this guy. Only one of the officers that testified referred to Officer John Okeefe as an officer. Absolutely despicable, and this is the reason police have lost respect from the people.
I noticed that too
I think i heard there were motions where they decided ahead of trial for him to be referred to as mr instead of officer, because of something about reminding them he was an officer could be potentially influencing or somethinf like that. Given the general divided sentiment on law enforcement, that wouldn't surprise me at all though.
Coming to LYK from the UK, Thankfully we have you to break it down for us ❤ thanks for your time 🙏
I'm absolutely disgusted. I'm a nurse and refused to give upbodily autonomy so I was fired. Fired for refusing to take a faulty experimental drug WITHOUT PAY OF COURSE. I am still not allowed to work almost 3 years now.
This disgusting criminal should be jailed for obstruction of justice!!
So messed up!
💯 .I hear you. Most of us schlupps would have been fired or “let
Go” for MUCH less. Digusting.
OH MY GOD. After 4 years of absolute deadly corruption from Govt, Pharma, Hospitals, I am now not only petrified of having to go to a hospital, I am petrified of ever having to be involved in any type of court case.
The corruption is endemic, systematic, pervasive, universal.
Good for you for sticking to your guns.
Yes!sorry for what has happened to you.
If Proctor is called in a second trial...make him read his txts all over again
Ask him why he didn’t investigate the house in question
@@StephenRollins-x5vthey already did ask him
That would be great.
Hell yeah……and then when he’s done reading those texts the judge should wash his mouth out with soap
Can the defense ask for an Aquital when they go back to court on the 21 st? Proctor should be fired with no pension and fire YURI and chief Rafferty fire them all
The MSP Office needs to watch LYK, we knew the issues in that office. How could they not know? Rules of evidence, should be police rules 101.
Thank you Peter. This trial wasn’t their MSP FINEST HOUR. Prayers for Karen Read that there isn’t another trial and it’s finished w a lesser lesser filing.
Justice for the O’Keefe family!🕯️🕯️💙💙💙💔❤️
Out of sight out of mind, aka protected 🤬
Gov. Healey says state police ‘made the right decision' by relieving Michael Proctor of duty.
You'd think by her saying relieved of his duty. he was fired. But he was transferred, not relieved. it should not be about just the names that he called her. It should also include his lack investigation, not writing reports, chain of custody, not taking pictures.
Now all the McAlberts need to do is re home Colin. I really think this kid, is not going to be able to help himself, getting drunk and bragging about doing the cop to friends.
Lol Colin needs to be rehomed in VT. Maybe Chloe was put on a farm in the country? He can join her
I was ready to believe Karen accidentally hit him, but lack of bruising makes me believe it didn't happen.
Lack of bruising and no broken bones after allegedly being struck at 24 mph then thrown 30ft to the ground, unbelievable.
I was too - but the evidence has shown there is no way he was hit by a car - even just the arm injuries prove that - but there is SO MUCH MORE evidence to the contrary and ZERO evidence showing he was hit by a car. I mean, how would he end up 30 feet from the curb and have zero broken bones? That shows me he was dragged to the spot he was found. Sadly. And no one group of friends and family has so many butt dials at the same time and on the same days. Also, why did Albert & Higgins get rid of their phones the day before they were to have them confiscated? She is not guilty. No doubt in the world.
Same here! I was disgusted by the evidence collection, but thought surely they had *something* if they were prosecuting. I kept waiting for it, and the first nail in the coffin was the ME. All the experts at the end convinced me she couldn't have hit him with her car to cause that combination of injuries.
He had so many injuries to his head/brain, they weren't all documented. One hit with a vehicle isn't going to cause all those injuries to the head, with NO broken bones or bruising to the body (aside from the ones from CPR).
A lot of the people who think she did it think so because, "the evidence only points to her and she said she hit him." Just ignoring that the investigation *only* looked at her so they didn't collect any evidence pointing anywhere else, and she may or may not have said she hit him, but the evidence doesn't show she actually did.
Lack of blood too
The timeline shows that Karen could not have hit him . She was gone when Nagle’s sister came out to his car from that house and they saw no body .
Damage control, damage control, damage control! CW can start earning trust by admitting the KR setup by Proctor and going forward with transparency!
Dude, at this rate you'll be at a million subs by the end of the year!
I totally agree with you on the complete lack of evidence
Thanks!
You can start building trust by getting rid of everyone of those officers who lied on the stand, who covered up a murder committed by someone other than Karen Read ( and you know it) Everyone who returned to the Albert household that night charged with DUI. Pay Karen’s legal fees. The list could write a book.
Yep. Agreed.
There was no massive amount of blood in the snow!! He bleed out on the basement floor of that house!!! And the Alfred’s know it!!! Dudes a retired cop and never even went outside in his own front yard!!! WTF
Exactly
Higgins will flip
If the house was full of minorities. They would have called the swat unit
He was nevertheless in that house. Karen read is a lying manipulative woman. Just think if Sarah Boone wasn’t videoed and was more attractive what would y’all say.
@@StephenRollins-x5vI think it's too late for anyone to "flip" but I hope you're right. It would be great!
I wonder how the 12 jurors feel now??.because now they know about Proctor being transferred and the FBI investigation….I’d like to know….🤨🤨🤨
If the foreperson that the judge hand selected turns out to be the holdout… that looks very suspicious
Yes, please do Karen interview. I would like your take.
I am seriously angry and disgusted. The Commonwealth needs to give Karen Read her life back. This corruption should be cause for dismissal of all charges against her. Realistically I know that ain’t gonna happen.
I can’t help but think that there were jurors who either had some sort of relationship with LE involved or they were scared to death of LE involved.
Bingo!
You should watch the Canton town meetings. Everyone who is not a well-connected townie is treated as lesser by the police. At least that's what they're saying. Some have been threatened after speaking out, and allegedly Mr. Albert, unlike normal people, has a phone number for the police that someone will pick up immediately-a privilege that others don't have.
Seriously, the people were BEGGING for change but got ignored. Police audits that were painfully won were assigned to someone who was against them. The people wanted the police chief gone (her contract was over), but they renewed the contract for another year. And then they had the audacity to say, "We are currently not looking for input from the public."
I mean, WTF?!
In the beginning, I thought a whole conspiracy was a bit much, but after seeing the whole thing going on outside of the trial makes me a lot more open to it.
I have never seen people so desperate in those meetings, but those selectmen were just ignoring the hell out of them.
So many of these troopers are on the brady list... its crazy.
Watching after the live, but if I were a taxpayer in the Norfolk district, I would start a petition demanding that the CW NOT retry this case. There is very little that the CW can bring to a retrial other than what has been testified to already. They can’t go back and change the investigation or lack of investigation to work with. It would be an effort in futility.
The Read supporters hopefully will start a petition to stop the retrial. Great idea. That’s a lot more productive than standing on the street and yelling all day long!
Yes, please do break it down