LIVE! Read Trial Day 26:Defense Destroys Expert-What About Cellebrite? + Texts From Read To O'Keefe
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The most frightening thing is, if Karen Read didn't have the resources, she'd b heading to prison IMO. This is a 7 figure defense and worth every dollar. I hope she gets every dime back when she sues them.
My Opinion they tried so hard to blame Karen and messed everything up, by throwing more into this this case to prove she's guilty BUT KAREN DIDN'T KILL HIM..
Exactly!
@@debijo5288and even if she did, on accident, hit him and didn’t know it (her immediate phone call to JO tells me it wasn’t intentional if it happened at all that way), the investigators and CW have screwed this up so much that we will never know. Because whether the verdict comes back guilty or not guilty, I think we’re still going to be left scratching our heads wondering what happened.
John got up after he was hit in the arm by the SUV going 24MPH. His injuries to his arm were caused by the taillight and his fall to the asphalt. He made it to his feet, glanced at the SUV and saw Karen’s evil eyes peering over the seat. Disoriented from his alcohol consumption and the impact, he fell down again, cracking his head on the curb, asphalt, or frozen ground. He got up again, bleeding profusely and losing consciousness. He pulled his phone out of his pocket as he began staggering towards the home for help. He was valiantly trying to survive this maniacal woman as she smirked in the same manner we’ve witnessed in court. Unfortunately,
John only made it 15-20 feet before dropping his phone and falling to his final resting spot. He was alive for hours afterwards as brain swelling and hypothermia caused his agonizing, slow death. While John struggled to move, Karen anxiously sat on her couch hoping hours would pass without a cop knocking at the door. She knew if they did, she would go to prison for over a decade.
All the evidence points to this, even the location of the taillight pieces. The taillight pieces, only 2 to 3 in total initially, fell to the asphalt and were ran over multiple times by first responders and the traveling public before the snowplow came by in the late morning, pushing the snow and everything underneath it onto a wide area of the front lawn.
The prosecution made a huge mistake with their theory of the case. It was impossible to recreate this murder, yet that is exactly what they tried to do for this jury. No jury is going to buy the story the Trooper Paul was selling. I’m still holding out hope for a conviction, but after Trooper Paul, I’m a lot less confident than I was. I’m 90% sure she’ll be convicted of manslaughter and DUI causing death, at a minimum. She’ll cool her heels in prison for at least a decade before parole for the death and given the post-indictment victimization of dozens of others.
@prisonersdilemma939 Nah, that's weak af. If that diabolical, she would've headed home and cleaned her SUV. Then she would've faked a hangover, pretending to wake up late the next day. She would've subsequently played dumb, acting as if she couldn't remember what had happened. And, by then, her BAC would've registered below 0.08. The CW should've stuck with "This was a accident by a drunk woman." But second-degree murder wasn't sellable, given both her behavior and the ME's cause of death as UNDETERMINED. Veh. man. is gone too, since it was stated that the death wasn't accidental. If I'm not mistaken, the bald guy with Down's Syndrome said so.
Sorry that I have to put it so bluntly, but as a physicist, I was appalled that this trooper devoid of sufficient physics or mathematics knowledge to even understand the basic laws of kinematics and dynamics can appear in court as an expert witness objectivity trying to convict the defendant. The frightening thing is that he has appeared in other cases masquerading as an expert in road accident reconstruction, and by inference kinematics and dynamics.
The supreme irony in this case is that one of the world’s leading institutions in the discipline of physics and mathematics, replete with ACTUAL physicists is in just TWO MILES from downtown Boston, namely the Massachusetts Institute of Technology .
WHY did they not organise an actual expert from this prestigious university? Could it be that the prosecution did NOT want a real expert on the stand.
Or they couldn't find one that would testify the way they needed them to
Bingo! I suspect that’s exactly why- they don’t want a real expert but rather someone they know if they wave enough dollars in his face, he’ll make the reconstruction FIT their narrative vs reconstructing and then providing the common wealth with solid evidence based on data and science! This guy is a joke!
They couldn’t find an expepert without integrity.
The FBI empaneled a grand jury to investigate something regarding this case. We are not exactly sure what all they are investigating yet. As part of this investigation, 3 accident reconstruction experts were used. They determined John's injuries were not caused by Karen's SUV. 2 of those experts will be testifying for the defense.
Thank you prof Phil bell...for pointing out deficiency of Trooper.
At this point I feel like the prosecution isn’t actually trying to prove their own case but trying to disprove the defense case. Its mind blowing
My thoughts exactly! Stop wasting time on Jenn McCabe's cellabrite search
1000% you can feel the defeat in Lally, this is such a shit show, crazy.
@@lollnr3447 the amount of time they spend on it makes me think it probably WAS actually done at 2:27 and they know their case falls apart if the defence proves it. I liked their experts that debunked it well enough, but I think the defence expert is going to come in HOT.
Right! Multiple witnesses to dissect Jen McCabe’s Google searches but we still have no idea how the victim died. Like WHERE IS THE ME?
They have more witnesses for damage control than to accuse Karen
99% of the Prosecutions “experts” have all been State Troopers. That’s wild to me. Those texts were supposed to make Karen look bad… but,to me at least, I ended up empathizing w/ her, & it was John who came out looking bad.
Totally agree.
Agree ! I thought it actually made it make sense why she started messaging Higgins with the way her relationship was going aswell and getting no where trying to sort things out. And definitely made u sympathise with her more than anything. Also the texts at the end went in her favour as why would she still be arguing with him/ baiting him if she had knowingly killed him. That whole text messaging section went in the defences favour
Agreed!
All the state troopers are actually the same person.
@@zang9147 😂
Karen blowing up his phone, as they claim was her usual pattern, after he was dead proves to me that she did not kill him
They seem to know nothing about women. I had an ex like O'Keefe and when he ghosted me , the texts were way fruitier than that. Also the pop glasses counted as alcohol....
Intentionally you mean, she very possibly just didn't realize she smoked him and drove off
I've felt this all along too. Along with how hysterical she was when she discovered him. She was the only one showing any emotion. Enough so they took her to the hospital too. Would love to hear witnesses from the hospital that day of her emotional state and statements she made.
@NEprimo except the prosecution is claiming she was going 24 mph in reverse to intentionally hit him. Why would she be going 24mph in reverse, not on accident. I don't buy this theory anyway. It was a snow storm. The roads were slick and if she dropped him off why wouldn't he immediately walk up to the house and just stand there in the road and not jump out of the way if she was coming in reverse at him.
relationally speaking - I agree!
They spent more time and money trying to disprove “hos long to die in cold” than they did investigating this entire case.
My thought exactly! Poor O'Keefe family. It's heartbreaking
🙌🏼 🎯🎯🎯
Yes they have & it’s laughable
We need to ask ourselves why. Lally isn’t Jen McCabe’s attorney but he is acting like it.
They are trying to discredit cell phone data to do it.
He sounded like he memorized a script and then had no idea what to say that he wasn't told. I don't think he reconstructed anything but a fantasy.
He had no confidence and he could not even articulate his own conclusions??
I think he just copy-pasted the report so he couldn't really repeat what it said
I’ve read that Alan Jackson was a fighter jet mechanic in the Air Force. He has a BS degree in aeronautical or mechanical engineering. After obtaining his engineering degree, he went to Pepperdine Law School in Malibu, CA. Jackson knows more about speed, acceleration, mass, force & momentum; compared to the accident reconstruction officer. It appears the guy has forgotten all of his physics definitions & equations to determine important information. When you calculate speed, acceleration, weight or mass, force, momentum, etc; you need information from the previous math equations. If you do not know the weight, acceleration, speed, force or acceleration; you will not be able to calculate momentum.
I was shocked Baby Trooper didn't know OKs weight.
T rr
wow impressive! Jackson is the shiz
Omg that’s amazing😮!
He definitely failed today’s test ! He got a big fat F !
Imagine being put away for life because of testimony like this. It makes me think of all the people who have been incarcerated for life or had decades taken from them because of investigations like this.
💯🪦🪽
THIS is exactly why the Innocence Project exists.
Such a bad look when the defense attorney is educating the expert on his job!
😂😂😂😂
How was this case even brought to trial? It's terrifying.
And why wouldn’t Bev agree to a continuance when both parties asked for it whilst the FBI was investigating?? Wouldn’t that save the commonwealth $$$… bc in the end, there is not enough evidence to support, and prove that she hit him with her car
I did not feel sorry for this Trooper Paul guy at all! Does he not realize how serious it is to try to put a person in prison for the rest of their life! What a joke. I feel sorry for all the people in Mass if this is the quality of experts the state relies on.
This
Zero sympathy. Wonder how many other cases he’s done this on. Hopefully after today, this will be his last.
I got the feeling he’s a patsy and I wonder how much or how little power he has at the end of the day.
@@MrsK976and he trains others
@@showkitties3844He was an absolute disaster
I disagree about the Alberts texts. The “tell them the guy never came in the house” was suspicious to me
Me too, literally tells me he was in the house & they don’t want any one else to know.
I agree 100% They are SUS AF!!!
Definitely sounds like a wink wink shhhh to me as well
If he was never in the house no one would have to say “ he was never in the house” it’s like when you witness something and you want to express you won’t tell you say . “It’s like I was never here”.
Was this prior to the defense bringing up the Alberts?
I feel bad that all the members of the jury have put their whole lives on hold for a complete and total sham of a trial
Having seen it now I kinda wish I was there to see it live.
And I feel bad for the tax payers whose hard earned money is being wasted to pay for this 😮💨💸🗑🔥
I know that Karen thought about taking a plea for 16 months, I think only a fool wouldn’t consider it when you’re facing years of incarceration. I do find myself wondering if they upped the charge to 2nd degree intentional murder to “punish” her for taking this trial. If I were on her team, I would request no lesser includeds. No manslaughter. All or nothing. There is ZERO percent chance she is convicted of 2nd degree.
I'm guessing upped charge cause who her lawyer is and he's a cop. I also think the more they could pile in her both evidentiary as well as charging, helps to deflect any bad acts by others involved, regardless of their intentions or level of involvement. Deflection was motive. "He's a COP and she's a BITCH. THEY WERENT GETTING ALONG AND SOMEONE ELSE WANTED HER" THEY never thought about the whole situation to others view..only saw themselves and panicked cause even with a group of them they're still boxes of rocks. Sick of cops placed on pedestals.
This accident recreationist "expert" was a literal car crash, pedestrian and all.
But can you calculate the momentum of the crash? Oh wait, you can't because he doesn't weigh as much as a car 🙄
As someone pointed out Jackson's cross was an accident reconstruction...
He wasn't an expert tho, he was a trooper. He wasn't independent to the investigation so he wasn't an expert witness but basically another law enforcement officer with very limited to the field he testified to. I wonder if actual experts wouldn't touch this and that's why they ended up with this car wreck.
@@marcopalazzo9349especially given the federal investigation, I think you are onto something with the real experts not touching the prosecutions case. or their opinions were too mixed so they went with this poor idiot LEO.
What did that witness mumble???
Am I the only one who thinks that if John was hit by a car he would have yelled out and screamed for help?
Exactly!! He definitely would not have died on contact!!
He probably would have dodged it, then screamed.
Or used his phone.
interesting since he apparently didn't fall down right there and die on the spot. Didn't they say he was several yards away. I missed that part. but after being struck he should have been able to yell out.
Why would you think you’re the only one? Peter plays naive because it’s risky for law professionals to admit cops can be corrupt but everyone knows .. none of this adds up.
Did anyone see Gordon Ramsey today? He was in a bike wreck this weekend. He lifted the left side of his shirt in a video to show his injury and the entire area was solid purple. He described it as the color of a purple potato. How does O’Keefe not have any upper body injuries remotely close to this if he was struck by a suv?
Canton is in the quantum verse, tail light pieces pop in and out of existence and people fly through the air and stuff just is like 1 + 1= fish.
But if he was beaten, why no marks on his face or body??
Not official testimony but Dr's have said he had a closed head injury which means blood pools inside the head causing black eyes & eye protrusion..
No broken nose or missing teeth or bruising on his face other than his eyes..
If he had been beaten, where are the marks?
@@anitabee57he had 2 black and very swollen eyes and a gash on his head.
@@Great_Kateplus a cut.
And scratches on his forearm and defensive bruises on his hands
The fights seem like normal relationship issues to me. I used to be so worried my husband would leave me. He would say things that he knew would cause me to be insecure, then everything would be okay. We r now in our late 60’s, things just got better about 10 years ago. Insecurity can mess with things. Doesn’t make one of them toxic, and the other one “good”.
I agree. To me these messages make JO sound like he’s using KR and playing on her insecurities. He doesn’t sound like the prince they’re making him out to be.
@@techninja4136 👍🏻Agree.
The texts showed that Karen Read is a classic Bunny Boiler. JOK had, according to his children, told her repeatedly to leave his home because the relationship had “run its course” and was “toxic.” Children said that she refused to leave and would chase after JOK, screaming at him. She wasn’t invited to the night out, his friends can’t stand to be around her, so she lied, saying she was going out drinking when she appeared at the bar in Canton. She didn’t want JOK to go to the Alberts because she didn’t feel welcome, but he went anyway. She flew into a rage and backed her car into him, leaving him to die in the cold.
She was with him when he died after lying, saying that she left him in the Waterfall Bar. She only admitted to having brought him to the Alberts after she knew she had been seen. Read claimed that she hit him to numerous people, even saying to her own father that she definitely “struck something.”
Read only invented the conspiracy story after she bought Alan Jackson for $1,000,000.
Read is a liar. She lied about the state of her relationship with John, she lied about events in Aruba, she lied about having driven him to the Alberts, she lied about how many drinks she had drank and she lied about going home to Mansfield.
Read was a cheat. She tried to start something with her bf colleague, even turning up at his apartment uninvited. He didn’t sleep with her, he dodged a bullet.
Read started a relationship with a man who had two children when she knew that she didn’t like or want children herself. The children testified that Read either screamed at them or gave them the silent treatment when she was displeased with them. She insisted that they were put in a hotel room in Atuba, alone and on the other side of the hotel. She didn’t “bring in the New Year with “Johns children,” she was blind drunk, obnoxious and embarrassing, screaming obscenities at one of Johns long-time friends little sister.
Frankly, Read is a mess. She’s getting on for 50 yrs old and can’t keep a relationship going. I’d love to hear from her ex’es.
Read is guilty. She’s an alcoholic with rage issues who hounded John because he wanted to break up with her. She felt that he didn’t support her when she was a NFI at the Alberts. No sh;t. Bunny Boiler.
@@enigma_-_79what are you a complete moron?
@@enigma_-_79 - You apparently missed all the important stuff. All you did was describe Karen's behavior, but none of that is proof of 2nd degree murder. You have to have proof & all you offered up was personality & behavior stuff.
Sounds like you have confirmation bias too. The investigators screwed up this case from the start. They decided Karen did it & looked for evidence to fit their narrative. You are doing the exact same thing. They completely botched the crime scene, the investigation, any evidence, & did everything they could to protect their friends. You don't seem to understand the difference between actual evidence & personality quirks. They are not the same thing. You can't convict someone because you don't like them or how they behave in a relationship. 🙄
What happened to the presumption of innocence? The defense hasn't even presented their case yet. Can you see how ridiculous that sounds? Hopefully you'll never be picked for a jury. 🤨🥺
I'm sick of my intelligence being insulted by the cw,and it's such a disrespect of the life lost a police officer,they supposed to put on their best,this is not that 😢
Think about if Karen didnt have the $$$ for her phenomenal representation!?! She would be done for!!!
for a fact.
Exactly. It's scary to think about.
I don’t think they were thinking ahead during the coverup that someone might try and disprove all of this “stuff”
And if they didn’t have the Federal investigation info.
The state's case is so weak any defense attorney with experience in murder cases could beat this
Lally could show me a video of Karen Read committing the crime and at this point I would STILL vote not guilty. The whole prosecution case has been a cluster f**k and that’s putting it politely.
OMG that's the funniest thing I've read today. had to pick myself up from the floor to personally thank you. bless humor
Yeah, the prosecution hasn't proved she did it beyond a reasonable doubt. Any jury should should find her not guilty, even if they think she did it, because Lally hasn't actually proved anything.
Please don’t ever accept jury duty. 🤦🏼♀️
@@AliceBowie exactly - the investigation, the changing statements and testimonies, the absolute avalanche of prosecution witnesses in the hopes of completely overwhelming the jury so they vote guilty out of confusion. I could potentially have bought manslaughter but they’re so far away from proving intent it’s quite unbelievable.
@@Grace_steiner please learn to recognise sarcasm and hyperbole 🤦🏼♀️
I am SO pissed that the taxpayers hard earned money is WASTED by the commonwealth's nonsense! If I was in this County, I'd be causing a ruckus!!!
Well let me invite you to investigate the VA and defense department. You think this is a waste
Im from the Netherlands and even Angry about this 😂 that money should have gone to poor kids in that state or schools there anything better then this ...
Thank KR she needed to take the deal.
@00KingPin are you stupid?
Why would she have taken a deal when the commonwealth's case is this bad?
Im from Norfolk County n theres a Reason are District attorney is not liked by most people lol
I’m married x7 years to a man with two children, I do not have bio kids. I hate to admit it but I have said some terrible things to my husband in text messages in a fight. I know his kids absolutely must come first but sometimes I need to feel like number one and sometimes say things hoping for a certain reaction from him. Not a proud moment but I think it is normal human behavior. I do not think these texts mean motive for murder. Again I love my husband more than anything in this world. I’d never think of hurting him in any way except with my words.
I get it. I think the only reason John kept her around was to help with the kids.
We all have less than stellar moments in relationships. I've been married 20 years. These messages are just standard relationship bs that ppl struggle with all the time.
@@lawnerddownunder3461 exactly. This proves nothing. This is prosecution trying to force a narrative.
Well that's sad you shouldn't be coming last place I mean when the kids grow up I mean who is he going to be with. He needs to learn a balance. And hopefully not using you like a nanny with benefits
Alan Jackson is amazing. Karen Reid sure has got herself quality lawyers. I could watch Jackson all day, i can't put my finger on what it is about him i like. He's very quick minded and witty ❤
I feel horrible that this poor Witness allowed himself to be used as an expert. He looks like he's about to cry and has no confidence
Frankly it was hard to watch
Nobody on his team is watching out for him, or they did this to him on purpose. I think the CW knows they can’t prove their case and they put up this weak witness in order to blame the loss on Trooper Paul. He’s their sacrificial lamb and he doesn’t know it.
At one point I thought he was crying, I think he was so nervous he couldn’t answer anything! Like ADD , so many times I have blacked out on trying to do a test or directions because I panic and I have ADD , I can tell he does to, it was hard for him to focus! Poor guy
The key cycles was the most important part of the testimony. It proves that the car had been seized when those trigger events occurred. You should rewatch to catch the magnitude of that testimony. It shows Karen wasn’t in possession of the car at the time the key cycles allegedly coinciding with her hitting O’Keefe occurred.
I think so, too. Everything about the car's behavior, speed, accelerator pedal pressure, steering wheel turning, distance, all tied to that particular trigger event. They determined that by counting back through the key cycles. If they got the incorrect trigger key cycle, ALL associated data has nothing to do with events of 1/29.
Unless I am failing to understand the info presented.
I agree, and more importantly it makes more sense that the key cycle that went in reverse and did a "3 point turn" would be when the Lexus was being taken from the driveway and onto the tow truck.
I don't think Peter got this point. that is exactly what happened. Those events of driving backwards at 24 mph occurred 2 key cycles before he tested the car. which meant it was already in custody. This shows how devious the CW is. To frame somebody. I hope people really understand this point - because it kills the CW case altogether. trigger event did not happen when Karen had the car.
I was thinking the same but why did Jackson keep framing it as a "hypothetical"?
Exactly triggers were car being driven on and off tow truck, sent off warnings in computer about crazy angles and poss abrupt suspension bounces
I've said this almost everyday after trial- IF Karen Read did this, the CW has obliterated any chance at his family getting justice and its heartbreaking. I've always thought she was not guilty but I'm pushed further and further from the CW everyday. 😢
That is the real tragedy in this. Thank you for that important reminder. A man is dead, his children are fatherless, his parents buried their son, and they have waited so long for answers and they will walk away with none.
I just hope the feds know something and are waiting for everyone to perjure themselves and then they’ll swoop in. 🤞🤞🤞
Witnesses from Fed's were sent in at the last minute for nothing, it's problamatic for all. Doctor from California was a set up and she was poorly ready and had no notes or reports to back her testimony.
They didn’t hire an outside expert because it didn’t happen the way they’re saying.
My thoughts too. Didn't want an unbiased expert
Agreed, this guy fell right on the sword for proctor and lally. Ridiculous
@@Beth-h2rexactly right. Paul was Proctor’s sacrificial lamb. CW knew they couldn’t prove this case so they threw a rookie under the bus.
Probably couldn’t find a real expert willing to ruin their career, name imo………..Do they all think we are this stupid?They had to know there would be others (real HONEST LE,judges,lawyers etc…)watching all of this…That know this is all outrageous.
Idk to me those text messages between Karen and John sounded like the kind of fights you have at the end of a relationship. Karen didn't sound crazy jealous to me, it seemed like she wanted him to tell her he was interested in someone else or that he was done so they could just move on. If he was interested in someone else she wouldn't have to feel guilty about leaving the kids. These texts combined with the texts with Brian Higgins really don't show any motive to me. I also keep going back to the fact that she told the paramedics that they had fought the night before. If this were an act of jealousy or anger why would you volunteer that information at the crime scene? It also is super annoying to get like real, important evidence this late in the game! I don't understand why they called a thousand meaningless witnesses before bringing in these text messages.
I don't even get it, the messages are so ordinary.
@@laimanarbute4188 They really are, its so weird that people were saying they prove she killed him...
I thought the key cycle cross was huge. 24 mph in reverse is very fast. Proving that key cycle 01162 did not occur at 34 Fairview is important.
Driving 24 mph in reverse at night in the snow after 7 drinks . Didn’t happen.
This was brutal to watch. I don’t like seeing people being embarrassed, even when they are bringing it on themselves. This man should never have been in that position. This is not how we reach justice. The entire investigation was a complete debacle and the prosecution is following suit
Shame on the prosecution!! This poor guy didn’t have a chance!!
It's brutal to send someone to life in prison for a murder they didn't commit... I have no sympathy for him
I was embarrassed for the poor man
I'm glad this embarrassment is on display for the whole country to see. POC have been saying for decades that the punishment model of justice is messed up and cops unfairly target & send people to prison on bogus charges ALL THE TIME. If this is what's happening to a wealthy white woman just for "having no ass," imagine what happens to poor people whose trials aren't televised and who can't afford an Alan Jackson?? I really hope people start to rethink the idea that it's okay for us to just be throwing everyone in jail all willynilly on the word of one or two cops 😕🙏🏽
@@sundayafternoon6532same. Plus, he's a state trooper, so who's to say he isn't just blindly going along with what his buddies on the other side of the force told him to do/say. Spineless and just as much trash as the other cops in this situation.
Whatever classes he may have taken, there was almost ZERO *application* of those lessons. 😔 He did little more than what any of US could do. 😠
Little to no science, and then basically defaulting to "well, this is what I think, but I’m an expert because I took CLASSES, guys." 😒🤦🏻♂️ Yet he *literally* thinks that it CANNOT be figured out if the two objects colliding are not in an absolutely straight line, and if they both aren’t vehicles. (ffs) My head hurts, this is infuriating.
I seriously wonder how many innocent people this joker has helped to put in prison. 😒
Exactly! He kept saying he "landed" like this and like that but later says there is no evidence he flew in the air! How did he LAND there then? Did he Crawl? Rolled? OR DID HE FALL THERE?
Also he didn't even see a picture of how and where EXACTLY the body "landed" but his whole little map was based on those two factors!
It was painful to watch
@@fernandaolivares7926 He must've teleported along with the glass and his phone.
I took physics in high school and I was able to answer all of Jackson's questions in my head as he asked them. This guy just says "it did the thing and then the other thing did the other thing, and you know, that's what it was and Officer O'Keefe died, and no, nothing else is possible."
I now realise why the U.S has one of the highest incarcerations in the world 😢This trial has proved why.Mygod I don't even want to think how many innocent people have been convicted and their lives destroyed because of BS like this.This should scare every person that lives in the U.S.
It was by no means a thorough course. He is sadly under qualified.
As a former juror on an attempted murder case, education is not as high up as credibility. Unfortunately, these guys had neither. One was an infomercial, and the other one was just plain not intelligent
Very insightful. Thanks for sharing ❤
He didn’t know the formula for momentum. He had zero idea, yet he calculated the “accident?!”
I was forced to take physics in high school and was terrible at it. But even I know (from 10+ years ago), someone whose job it is to recreate an accident should be able to use a calculation to figure out scientifically what happened.
The fact that this “expert” not only needed to see his report every time he was asked a question, but also used the following language “I’m trying to make sure it all fits” and “I’m making sure I have my checks and balances” shows that he did come come up with his own conclusions.
The texts between Karen Reed and John O'Keefe read as a woman trying to pin him down. She seems to be trying to get him to break up with her or prove his commitment and profess his love.
He seems like he has no plans and is just seeing how things turn out. Or he wants to break up with her, but it isn't because he needs her to help him with the kids. It's hard to tell with him.
Doesn't seem like a motive to kill him.
I agree. I think she just wanted to know if she was wasting her time with him or not. If she was so obsessed that she was gonna end him for dumping her, I don't see her being so flirty with Higgins and risking their relationship.
That’s interesting I see Karen in a very different light. It looks like she was hurt and trying to engage with John and looking for him to show some amount of care and concern for her, and then he is avoidant, evasive and cold in his replies. Doesn’t want to fight but is the one who is starting arguments and is just unhappy about held accountable. Over the course of the trial he looks more and more like an awful boyfriend.
None of this looks like a motive for her to kill him though, I agree with you there.
I think he was using her a bit with the kids wanted his cake and eating it too, also a bit of a player, no woman wants that!
Well she came off as completely unhinged and extremely clingy so the fact John essentially told her to back off and give him some space which she clearly didn't respect and didn't give says she was toxic and too immature for a relationship to me
John didn't seem like he was mature enough either so just a very unhealthy and toxic relationship.
Personally I think Karen is innocent of kil1ing him but she has some serious mental issues and personality issues.
I don’t see motive, I feel like these texts show KR’s deep insecurities. She seemed to need more from JO than he could at this time. Definitely NOT motive. It’s all just so tragic 😢
He had me thinking this was believable UNTIL 1) the one that was inaccurate was the time stamp in the middle. 2) and bigger…It was not replicable. That is the whole point of science. It HAS to be replicated.
Exactly. This isn’t a re-enactment. It’s one guy’s opinions. Demonstrate with a crash dummy. Spoiler alert - they can’t. Turtle Boy tried to reconstruct driving backwards at 24 mph for 60 feet: he couldn’t do it. He maxed out at 19 mph. But Karen was supposed to have done it at night in the snow after 7 drinks?
Exactly!
Several dog trainers have stated that those marks on John's arm is definitely from dog bites. They gave examples. They need dog trainer experts on this trial.
A girl in Dallas got attacked by 2 dogs she was dog sitting a few years ago. She survived, barely. Her bite wounds look the same.
I will never believe that these arm injuries were NOT caused by a dog
There was a police K9 expert who discussed this on Melanie Little's channel( lawyer) . They need him for the next trial.
Seems everyone is forgetting that she wasn't comfortable with the invite - John was to go in and see if she was welcome and waited in the car, he didn't respond so she sent the text "I'm going home" and left.
AJ- How did the phone end up under his body? Trooper Paul- It just did...
This case, I have no words but so many questions!
As a former Massachusetts police officer, I can tell you that 10 years ago at least when I was in….. accident reconstruction was VERY few and far between officers. Few knew any math, lots of nepotism, and nearly impossible to get one when you needed one so few even bothered trying.
Doesn’t seem like much has changed 😔
Wow that is so scary for the citizens there. Although I’m sure weird stuff like this happens all the time and we never know.
Do you believe this is a cover up ? I think they intentionally skipped interviewing certain people and had to make the evidence fit the crime !!
I bet being a MSP I bet you railroaded a lot of people in your time.
@@johnnytactical3054sounds like you have some unresolved issues.
His whole little map was based on where the body landed and it's orientation but he NEVER saw the body or even a picture of it!!
TP: There is no evidence he flew in the air
AJ: EXACTLY...EXACTLY...
This guy recreated his own crash and burn.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. AJ got him to say it.
@@Candy-O1776It was beutiful!
No, he’s basing the map on what he was told by Gallagher where the body was found but Gallagher didn’t see the body himself. He was told that by an EMS or EMT that was on the team the initial team that came 6:30 in the morning they were more concerned with saving his life Than measuring the distance of where his body was lying to the road nobody took any measurements. Nobody took proper pictures.
@@ravenzyblack a more inept crew, impossible
Trooper Paul got a taste of Alan Jackson on Friday. He had ALL weekend to stress about today
Bet his little "balloon knot" was tweaking all weekend
@@LadyLuck13😭🎈
“I don’t care how ridiculous it sounds, I’m sticking with it…” brilliance leaves me speechless Peter! 👏👏👏bravo
Then trooper Paul doubles down. He should’ve said l, “kill me now”
Whoa this was hard to watch. I would have just said I can't do it, let me go LOL. This trial is a gift that keeps giving 😵💫 RIP John O'Keefe
I saw a super cool video that had a dog training expert on it! He has silicone arms they use to teach dogs tonite flesh more appropriately. Bit and hold is hard to teach. So you could see all the LACERATIONS! Then he shared a video and pic of a delivery driver that was attached and bitten by a German shepherd! Omg! It looked exactly like O’Keef’s arm!!!!! I never thought his arm looked like what I thought dog bites would look like but it actually does! I really really hope they bring an actual dog person on there. I’ve always been a die hard support the police person. Never questioned it until this case. Now I’m even convinced it’s a cover up and I have NEVER believed in conspiracies!!!! FYI you are AMAZING! You have seriously changed my whole mindset on so many things. Thank you for all you do!!!
can I ask what day of LYK coverage were the photos of the injuries shown.
@@BellCurvekiller-ww1thsearch it and loads of videos will pop up. It's not just LYK who covers this case and I'm not sure he has even shown the pics here bcos he's only covering what's shown at trial and he speeds through everything
I saw that too def dog bites they said dogs bite down and pull up which makes those scratch marks with there k9 teeth
“There was absolutely NO dog DNA on the samples from Officer O’Keef.” Extremely well credentialed expert witness.
Melanie Little had the dog guy on. That's the one you're talking about.
I can't get over how the one place this man is hit by a taillight is his arm.
How do they have him positioned for the arm to be at the same height as the taillight?
If a car was backing into him at crazy speed, why didn't he dodge?
The State's theory only really works if John was a crash test dummy, was positioned perfectly, and totally unable to react to an SUV.
Yes I can’t figure that out.
@@John_McJohnsonmany things could have happened along the lines of him getting hit which we can’t conceive or believe until someone with certainty, confidence and conviction explains it in a convincing way. But it doesn’t matter anymore because the captain is letting the ship steer itself straight into an iceberg.
Just the fact that he has no injuries, of any kind, on the rest of his body… How would he have to be standing, to only hit his right arm? It makes absolutely no sense, which makes his testimony even more embarrassing!
@@Chloe.zyxwvu BUT no injury below neck,so no
I think she was at Johns house after she dropped him off at Fairview and he was ignoring her (she thought) so she said she was going home and the kids are alone so he would reply
Yes!
Exactly what I thought too!
I wish I caught this live. The key cycles are important because the 24 mph in reverse was when the tow truck driver was backing out of her parents driveway. If there is a lot of snow then the tow truck driver would have had to floor it to get it out of the driveway. They just proved with Paul that she wasn't driving the car when they claimed it was in reverse and that there is no way to recreate the accident
@pick363...I understood Jackson's points on this issue and 100% agree with you, although Jackson didn't specifically give the answer.
I watched it live and his testimony was equal parts cringe and hilarious! As a proponent of our legal system in the US, having had a career working in the legal field, i having researched, interviewed, and hired experts, I was also very outraged by this witness!
Exactly!
About KR texts to John: Those texts after 12:45am to John are totally in her character from what we have seen from their relationship so far. It would be more strange if she had gone silent afterwards or if her tone would have softened towards him.
The texts showed that Karen Read is a classic Bunny Boiler. JOK had, according to his children, told her repeatedly to leave his home because the relationship had “run its course” and was “toxic.” Children said that she refused to leave and would chase after JOK, screaming at him. She wasn’t invited to the night out, his friends can’t stand to be around her, so she lied, saying she was going out drinking when she appeared at the bar in Canton. She didn’t want JOK to go to the Alberts because she didn’t feel welcome, but he went anyway. She flew into a rage and backed her car into him, leaving him to die in the cold.
She was with him when he died after lying, saying that she left him in the Waterfall Bar. She only admitted to having brought him to the Alberts after she knew she had been seen. Read claimed that she hit him to numerous people, even saying to her own father that she definitely “struck something.”
Read only invented the conspiracy story after she bought Alan Jackson for $1,000,000.
Read is a liar. She lied about the state of her relationship with John, she lied about events in Aruba, she lied about having driven him to the Alberts, she lied about how many drinks she had drank and she lied about going home to Mansfield.
Read was a cheat. She tried to start something with her bf colleague, even turning up at his apartment uninvited. He didn’t sleep with her, he dodged a bullet.
Read started a relationship with a man who had two children when she knew that she didn’t like or want children herself. The children testified that Read either screamed at them or gave them the silent treatment when she was displeased with them. She insisted that they were put in a hotel room in Atuba, alone and on the other side of the hotel. She didn’t “bring in the New Year with “Johns children,” she was blind drunk, obnoxious and embarrassing, screaming obscenities at one of Johns long-time friends little sister.
Frankly, Read is a mess. She’s getting on for 50 yrs old and can’t keep a relationship going. I’d love to hear from her ex’es.
Read is guilty. She’s an alcoholic with rage issues who hounded John because he wanted to break up with her. She felt that he didn’t support her when she was a NFI at the Alberts. No sh;t. Bunny Boiler.
@@enigma_-_79lol do be quiet McAlbert/higgins
@@enigma_-_79LOG OFF JEN SHE DIDNT HIT HIM!! GIVE UP!!
@@lockout999
^^ Typical member of the Karen Read/Terrapin Kid Fan Club.
No facts, no thought, no analysis, just screaming.
You don’t intimidate me. I feel sorry for you.
@@enigma_-_79. None of his injuries match to being hit by a vehicle. Did you not hear the testimony today? His arm was struck and shattered a taillight into 47 pieces and only left scratches on his arm? Not to mention there were taillight pieces everywhere so it had to explode when she hit him and if the point of impact was his arm why isn’t it at the least broken or fractured. For that taillight to break like that it hit something hard or better yet was hit by something hard not a soft body. Use your brain.
Man Jackson was amazing. The part about the pirouette had me dying. I don't know how Jackson held a straight face. Trooper Paul is a proud to C student. In all honesty though, I actually felt really badly for him. He was so incredibly nervous, stuttering, shaky, grabbing his throat, drinking water, blinking rapidly that you can tell he is not a bad person and he was forced to do this by the higher-ups. Trooper Paul should really get the heck away from the corrupt Canton PD because he does not belong there.
I rewatched that so many times! This guy delivers on the entertainment value.
That shows how lost he is, flies through the air, no projected. He can't use normal terms in place of the jargon ones.
That was also my assessment, watching it.
@@JerbPahe will be the one to crack
You're too generous. He is incompetent and doesn't realize it.
Did nobody hear the last Tropper say “kill me” when being questioned after a sigh???😅😅😅
Yes!!! It was clear as can be!!! Crazy... pretty sad the CW made these Troopers lie!?!
Yes !! I was listening to Andrea when it happened. I was driving and I almost had to pull over bc I was laughing so hard. Because I had thought the same thing few minutes before, I was being bored to death lol. That poor guy 😂
Do guys have a timestamp?
@@roseytwinksmnk29321:33:00
@@roseytwinksmnk2932 1:34:00
It's absolutely horrifying that the state of Massachusetts would employ such an unqualified person as an expert in a murder case.
Omg yes it so bad it's horrible. That guy needs more schooling.
You should see the “Experts “ at the SEC when my husband went to work there after 35+ years in Fixed Income and running trading and sales depts at Schwab and Vanguard and other depts they had one expert in Fixed income who knew nothing and they have a “rule “ they can only have one expert per type of security….its a joke
Especially knowing Jackson would tear him apart on cross!
Because a true expert wouldn’t have been able to come to the conclusion that supported their theory, and I think they know that. But defense team didn’t object to CW using as expert, because it only helps them.
Hits even worse after today's voir dire tbh 🫤 Trooper Paul is an "expert" with 120 hours of class and his conclusion, including that the evidence "just ended up where it did" is enough to charge murder; but a biomechanical engineer can't testify about his opinion on the possible origins of JO's wounds? When Mr. Lally questioned the first witness' credentials when she apparently has barbie's resume I had to turn off the stream for a few minutes to calm down.
Please tell me the defence has hired a Physics Professor from MIT as one of their expert witnesses! Seems like a no brainer.
And does everyone reverse doing 24mph???? That is unheard of! I cannot imagine going that fast in reverse unless I were a stunt driver. I would also focus on disproving that if I were the defence. I do not see how it is possible to reach that speed in such a short distance and not lose control of the vehicle. Is it possible the wheels spun on snow or ice showing 24mph?
The defense has two accident reconstruction experts, both with PhDsone in physics and one in biomechanics engineering that were hired by the FBI
Karen had done some stunt driving it appears
Karen Choose her lawyers Well ♥️🍀✅
Jackson said that’s exactly what she was trying to do. Get him to come home
Peter, You missed the importance of the key cycle. This guy was saying, 2 key cycles before he got the car - that is when the events occurred driving backwards at 24 mph. Jackson was making the point that when the car was at Fairview rd, that was 4 key cycles before he got the car. he did not count the 2 key cycles of the car being turned off and on 2 times to get car off and on flatbed. so the car was at the cop shop when that event happened (driving backwards at 24 mph,
The only way that I could see Karen being found guilty, would be if there is Jury tampering.
My husband said the exact same thing ! That these jurors could be afraid of these police
Joe Paul must have had no idea that prior to being a Lawyer, Alan Jackson was a trained jet engine engineer with the US Air Force and holds dozens of certificates in jet propulsion.... aka more of an expert in physics than he is.
Really?
Edited to add: damn! I just looked into this and you are absolutely correct 🤣 I would have been just as nervous as the trooper "expert" during cross. 😱
@@VictoriaLeigh313 yeah he is kind of a badass
this makes the cross so much funnier. There's no way Lally knew that either imo
@amandamacabre I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't done on purpose. This guy was so incompetant Lally gotta know that.
@@Songbirdstress I saw a comment suggesting he's trying to get all this out for the Feds' investigation but I feel like that's giving this whole thing too much credit 😂
Every time the prosecutor puts another witness on the stand, I just get more confused! 🤔 it makes less sense every single day!
I started watching day 19. I'm lost.🤷♀️Justice for Officer John O'Keefe, RIP.🙏🏽👮🏻♂️⚖️
You’re not alone.
I feel like the defense took the offense in this trial and the prosecution has been on the defense this entire trial. I mean a whole witness was used to exonerate Jen McCabe
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And even then, was she exonerated? I'm a smart cookie and I still don't understand the digital forensics.
I’m not sure how you aren’t convinced by the key cycle argument or why you think it was her who sped backwards. It’s just a record of the car being turned on, and the car was demonstrably turned on and off multiple times after it was confiscated. So if the state is right that it happened on cycle 1162, it couldn’t possibly be i
her driving in reverse at that speed.
Unless the car’s data is completely unreliable, but if that’s the case there’s no reason to believe she drove backwards at a high rate of speed.
As far as I could work out, she was at Fairview at key cycle 1158
Me, who’s never closed a tab on my phone ever, watching this: 😵💫
These prosecutors and this case has really made me lose faith in our justice system. It’s so scary to see play out.
If this was my son’s investigation & trial & experts, I’d be furious.
If I was Karen Read/Defendant, I’d be furious as I fought for my freedom.
Who wins here.
This one and every one coming out of Fulton county lately.
I do think she did actually hit him... Sideswiped like this guy thinks. That's more likely than this elaborate cover up where they left him on their own lawn ( but that is a good defense to try). She was probably drunk ( that's why she went to the waterfall and didn't remember going to the Albert's, bc if she did remember dropping him there than they should have been one of if not the first place to go out the first people to reach out to) and she had no idea she side swiped him at all.... That's probably less likely to notice than hitting someone dead on... Especially when backing up I would think that's easier to not notice. In the end I believe it was an accident, if anything at all it should have been charged just as that.... Even though they lost trust with the investigation they still have to try to get some justice for John's family... Definitely shouldn't have uped the charges like that though.
Jackson missed his own question, acceleration is the rate of CHANGE of velocity, not the Rate of velocity
Where is the Medical Examiner? The jury/we are supposed to take all this evidence and guess how it may or may not apply depending on what injuries/damage were actually found in the autopsy?
@@bellab9286idk personally. You’re right, it’s more plausible. But I find it very hard to believe that no one saw him coming out of the home that night, no one saw an over 6 ft man laying in the snow? The snowplow driver didn’t see him either…. Then their messages about how long to die in cold? That’s really weird (& time stamps work for every trial in history except this one) by bringing in that witness for 1 case, the commonwealth gives reasonable doubt to every future case, this is a weird testimony. Then you have them saying that they didn’t see him in the home, rehoming the dog that they had for years, getting rid of the carpet in the basement, etc. but on the other hand, it’s very hard to believe so many ppl would part of a cover up!
Truthfully I’m starting to believe that him and his wife did see him in the home and something happened and they tried to blame it on Karen. Not everyone has to be involved…. Just those 2. He could have not been seen in the snow bc he wasn’t there to see until they put him there. & no one else knew anything about it at all… they only know that he was dead the next morning and then someone plants that it was Karen.
I would not put it past a cop at all to put someone they harmed outside and blame it on a drunk person, especially if no one else saw anything. Bc no one say anything…. So I don’t think it’s this elaborate cover up, bc it’s not elaborate; there’s lots of holes, possible evidence, etc. but if the cop harmed him and no one seen it he could easily put him in the snow and say he believed it was Karen, and then he personally charged Karen. It would be that simple, since no one seen anything. It’s just a lot of crazy incidences happening with them that align with the defense too. Gosh it’s like insane.
Regardless, idk how anyone could convict bc there’s enough reasonable doubt to sink a continent. 🤷♀️
I don’t think Lally could find an actual expert that would buy into their story, so this guy is what they were left with.
If she dropped him off why would she need to back up so far to hit him? Wouldn’t she have dropped him off where she stopped prior to backing? It doesn’t make sense why he would be so far behind her.
He 100% says "kill me". The sigh substantiates it IMO.
In the early stages of AJ’s cross, it feels as though he’s trying to help the CW’s expert to develop his opinion in real time. It’s a trail of bread crumbs leading to a cliff’s edge!!
It’s hard to believe, given the extraordinary exposure of this case that the state used an expert witness with an “Associates Degree”.
LOL.
That’s a wrap.
Why is no one talking about Matt McCabe being an IT guy? He could have easily got rid of the search and/or edited the info. Also, this is not a trial for Jen McCabe..
I think she could b described as an unindited co conspirator though. She was the puppet master, no question there.
There were a couple of questions to that effect...Well see.
BINGO
Isn’t it even more inconceivable that someone with snow covering their mirrors, cameras, back window etc managed to reverse at that speed, in the dark, ( allegedly DUI) and “intentionally” hit their target
YES YES YES!
😬😬 That hurt. #owie
It's a sad day when a judge allows the "expert" designation to be attached to a cop that took a couple of cop-sponsored/taught classes. Law enforcement in America is as lacking as our infrastructure. 😒
I'm just about speechless as to why why why why why the CW didn't even bother to find a Pay-For-Play expert. 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
I can't figure out the why behind a lot of what the CW has done so far.
The point of the "keycycle stuff" is that the "expert" has no idea when the data he used was logged.
He found some data, assumed it was from the time in question, then did the reconstruction based on his own unjustified assumption.
The worst part was when he admitted he had no idea how keycycle/ignition cycle works.
That is a big deal!
Yes, it is a huge deal because the car was already in police possession when the “cycle trigger” was recorded!
Omg.."did the crime scene say anything else?" 😂😂😂
I knoooww
😂
Everyone keeps missing this - A Lexus SUV (I have one) tail light is NOT up by a man’s shoulder. I am a 5’4” woman, and the tail light comes to my hip area.!!!!!!!
And for this info nugget, you probably would've made a better expert witness for the prosecution than this guy.
The big issues w this case is that his injuries DO NOT match being hit by a 7,00O pound car. He had NO bruising, NO broken bones, NO injuries below the neck. He had two black eyes, blunt force trauma to the BACK of the head and no blood found on any curb showing that he hit his head. He had lacerations to his face and PUNCTURE wounds to the arm and yet NOTHING was on the SUV, no DNA, NO SKIN, NO BLOOD. I believe the information the informant brought forward and it matches their behavior almost identical. He was beaten up by Colin who had swollen knuckles, by Brian Albert who didn’t show his face after he was found, he threw up and convulsed on the basement floor…basement floor was ripped up. Etc etc etc etc…..I can go on and on but there is more suspicious activity showing they did this than Karen. Oh and let’s not forget the two unknown DNA profiles found in the blood ON HIS PANTS that was never tested against Colin or Brian. John didn’t bleed out 3 different profiles 😮💨
During Tpr Paul's testimony John O'Keefes brother looked broken. I think it's starting to dawn on him Karen didn't hurt John. All the rage n anger is going to be directed somewhere else and that realization is sickening. It's at the same ppl who showed up at his parents home, told them to send the niece to Canton high over the private school John was so proud of, same ppl that helped the MST "solve" the case, and interjected themselves into his families lives. That is depraved and disturbing.
Complete betrayal.
Side issue, but I can't believe he was allowed to sit so near KR,
The OKeefe family are idiots. How this wasn’t obvious to them from the very beginning is mind blowing.
Same guy involved in Sandra Birchmoore who helped them jump to the “conclusion” she killed herself. Heartbreaking. Both these women deserve justice
Really ?!! That's wild !
@@tonystevenson26 YUP!!! The problems in canton/the south shore runs deeeeep
That was the most painful “specialist”. The nurse charting equivalent? I went into a room gave the patient some medicine stuff. the patients room told me the vitals were okish. Did some stuff to the wound on one of the extremities, will follow up likely, Will continue to monitor patient probably.
😂😂😂 I just pictured my nursing school instructors clutching their rosaries (I went to a Catholic nursing program)! That was a perfect analogy!
Lmao
Love this.
If O'Keefe managed to hold on to the glass after being stuck by a 7klb SUV, that's some The Dude level of beverage protection. "hey, man, there's a beverage here!"
😂😂😂 A white Russian 😂😂
That's what he gets for helping a guy in the Alps.
😂 good one!
and yet another Trooper is now off to be 'rehomed'
Yet they will keep Proctor.
Yep another career down in flames. Retry every case this bald idiot was an “expert” on
What’s really bad is that he was training someone else that day. Wow
A 2023 Lexus RX350 will go 0-60 in about 7.3 seconds so how could it possibly get to 24 mph in 52 feet? IMPOSSIBLE
Inverse Blizzard Physics of Canton Massachusetts.
It was a Lexus 570. I don't know what difference that makes. I still drive cars over 25 years old 😂
Peter is so refreshing. Hes the only person on youtube who i trust 100% with his breakdown of cases. You know no matter what he follows the evidence and doesnt get los in the crama genre. Love him and his dad❤❤❤
Wow! Finally some fresh air breathed into this courtroom! As US CITIZENS, we all need to notice what’s happening with our judiciary system and how we need to protect it! #lyk #karenread #vote2024 🇺🇸
IT SPECIALISTS ARE THE MCCABES
This is actually very scary. These troopers are giving evidence in other trials to convict people based on what?? Nothing as they have no knowledge!!! I mean I am just…… 😮. Wow!
Ngl, I was getting so snarky when he was saying "the scene told me this". I just kept laughing and going "oh, did it whisper this bit to you and shout that bit to you?"
Everyone has blown up a phone before 🤷🏻♀️. The number of calls and texts is not evidence of anything
Alan Jackson was in the US Air Force and served as a jet mechanic. I reckon he knows exactly what he’s talking about.
Peter in all your years of litigating cases involving crashes. Was the states reconstructionist testimony the worst crash you've ever seen? Because for me I didn't wanna look but couldn't look away. That cross was brutal.
😂😂😂😂……me too!!!
Trooper Paul must never testify to other complicated crashes otherwise he would just get destroyed. Makes me wonder how many people end up taking plea deals, because they were definitely banking on KR doing that in this case
I just love Jackson ❤❤❤
Did you catch the last witness say under his breath near the end of direct by Lally, “Just kill me” ?
It's scary how much cell phones can be used against people and every word turn into something monstrous. If you took the daily ramblings people said out loud I am sure you could make the same argument. Not to mention talk about timing of text, when you signed on or off. What a nightmare when you think about it. A garbage but semi plausible case could be made against anyone this way with only the tiniest shred of real evidence or motive. And this one does seem obviously ridiculous.
The texts showed that Karen Read is a classic Bunny Boiler. JOK had, according to his children, told her repeatedly to leave his home because the relationship had “run its course” and was “toxic.” Children said that she refused to leave and would chase after JOK, screaming at him. She wasn’t invited to the night out, his friends can’t stand to be around her, so she lied, saying she was going out drinking when she appeared at the bar in Canton. She didn’t want JOK to go to the Alberts because she didn’t feel welcome, but he went anyway. She flew into a rage and backed her car into him, leaving him to die in the cold.
She was with him when he died after lying, saying that she left him in the Waterfall Bar. She only admitted to having brought him to the Alberts after she knew she had been seen. Read claimed that she hit him to numerous people, even saying to her own father that she definitely “struck something.”
Read only invented the conspiracy story after she bought Alan Jackson for $1,000,000.
Read is a liar. She lied about the state of her relationship with John, she lied about events in Aruba, she lied about having driven him to the Alberts, she lied about how many drinks she had drank and she lied about going home to Mansfield.
Read was a cheat. She tried to start something with her bf colleague, even turning up at his apartment uninvited. He didn’t sleep with her, he dodged a bullet.
Read started a relationship with a man who had two children when she knew that she didn’t like or want children herself. The children testified that Read either screamed at them or gave them the silent treatment when she was displeased with them. She insisted that they were put in a hotel room in Atuba, alone and on the other side of the hotel. She didn’t “bring in the New Year with “Johns children,” she was blind drunk, obnoxious and embarrassing, screaming obscenities at one of Johns long-time friends little sister.
Frankly, Read is a mess. She’s getting on for 50 yrs old and can’t keep a relationship going. I’d love to hear from her ex’es.
Read is guilty. She’s an alcoholic with rage issues who hounded John because he wanted to break up with her. She felt that he didn’t support her when she was a NFI at the Alberts. No sh;t. Bunny Boiler.
@@enigma_-_79 - Do we have to go through this again? Nothing you offered is real evidence. You can't convict someone because you don't like them or their behavior.
@@Stacy-
Who do you think you’re talking to?
I don’t care for your tone. Have some respect if you’re going to respond to comments. I don’t have to “go through” anything with you, in fact, I’d much prefer not to.
Are you the only person who is entitled to have an opinion? You are entitled, but you don’t have a monopoly on opinions.
@@enigma_-_79 - I'm talking to you, as I stated with the @engima.... Your cutting & pasting the same irrelevant argument under several people's comments. It was meant to be funny & sarcastic because I already responded to this exact comment under another person's post. So that was what I was referring to when I said, do we have to go over this again... As a joke. You can't tell what my "tone" is because a tone is the manner in which you speak, not write.
As I previously explained, you can't convict someone of 2nd degree murder based on their personality or behavior in a relationship.
@@enigma_-_79you sound like Jen McAlbert or whatever her name is. Did you have fun learning that it's not as easy to gaslight a courtroom as it is your victim's family? Whatever, yall deserved the mistrial and you deserve the feds coming down on you. Looking forward to what you have to say then, dearie 😉
I'm surprised this officer appears to not have experience testifying in court, and especially as a mva analyst.
It’s on purpose, the CW threw him under the bus to take the focus off of Proctor. They know they’re losing this case.
I'm still trying to catch up from when I was sick. As a science teacher, I was SHOUTING the answers to this poor guy. I was embarrassed for him. Basic balanced vs unbalanced forces can explain that he didn't "fly" the opposite direction of the Lexus.
Defense is on the offense and prosecution on defense. Crazy trial
right. have you ever tried at 62 ft to go 24 mph and in the snow? turtle boy did it and he only get up to 10 mph.
And in reverse!
I think the guy didn’t know it just came off the bed of that truck, or that it was driven up onto the truck. All that “stuff how fast she gunned it, then did that in reverse until it hit something…like the cement.
I love turtle boy
He got up to 19 mph but that was sober in daytime and with dry road conditions so this scenario of 24.2mph drunk at night in the snow is ludicrous.
The accident reconstruction was laughable.
The CW set Trooper Paul up to take the fall. They know they can’t prove Karen hit JO. I don’t think Paul realizes he’s their scapegoat.
Also! I remember this expert testifying to there being a blind spot in the back of the car.. and then testified to John being in that exact same spot when the car "hit his right arm (only his right arm, nowhere else) and projected him forward and to the left " meaning, john o'keefe would have been standing on the corner of the vehicle (where the gas door would be) and facing toward the house. Which, i can understand.. Its possible. But also if that were the case, how he described it and where JOK would be, how did he not get any other injuries? How did he even get the injuries on his arm if the taillight was intact when he struck it? If he broke the taillight from the force of his arm hitting it, it would have been a smooth surface.. so where did the scratches come from? None of this adds up....
I was really looking forward to the accident reconstruction.. it would have answered SO many questions. Perhaps changed many minds in this case.. i was open to the possibility, even though the investigation was botched from the beginning, that KR could have done this.. but with each day that goes by in this trial, I'm about 95% on her side... I dont like to make up my mind on anything, ever.. especially in a trial that hasnt completed..but damn, the prosecution has absolutely lost it for me...
speedometer is generally determined by a sensor in your transmission Tire slippage (Snow or Ice) can indicate a higher speed than the actual speed and distance traveled.
Good point !