Steel being charged with contempt was the catalyst for this verdict. The contempt charge eventually led to Glanville’s recusal. The assigning of Judge Whitaker turned this case around. She saved these men in my opinion.
Right because Judge Glanville was so upset him and the State got caught being sneaky and they forced Him Woody to testify which was the beginning of the end for the State
Ha, any prosecutor should be! Fulton fanni should be in the Fulton county females lock up herself. This is why everyone should vote NO on every sitting DA and judge every election cycle…. Let them explain to we the people why they need to keep their government paycheck along with immunity. Term limits and no more judicial/prosecutorial immunity! Follow the law and act in an ethical manner. Most don’t!
Papa T I can’t thank you enough for sticking with this case! I can tell you were truly interested in the process and the outcome. It was great to have both of your takes on it.
As a retired police officer I am usually pro prosecution. After this case I think every trial should be televised. So many times the prosecution did not have evidence ready for the defense or exhibits. The Judge would chastise DA Love or Hylton for failing to have exhibits ready and tell them to by a deadline to get them to the defense. Then deadline would pass and it wasn’t done, or the DAs would say they emailed them after 10:00pm when they would be used the next morning in court. I felt Love and Hylton lied many times during the case as far as CYA on evidence and exhibits being delivered to the defense. I also felt police officers/detectives lied on the stand or were less than truthful. All the missing police reports and it was chalked up to the City computers being hacked. Even a female detective said her personal hard drive was hooked up to they system when the a City’s computers were hacked, so she lost the contents of her hard drive. I call bs, I had more than one hard drive because I worked on cases at home. When a citizen looses their files during an investigation or resets their phone and claims being hacked, they are charged with tampering with evidence. Atlanta PD has lazy sloppy officers. I also believe the missing pink $500,000 watch was stolen by a female investigator. I suspect she turned off her camera at the end of the search warrant and went back in to look for something accidentally on purpose she claims she left behind and stole the watch or she was said she was looking for someone. 💯 a female stole that pink watch. I loved Doug Weinstein closing arguments. He flew under the radar for me during the trial, but wow - I would have voted not guilty for Doug’s client. Loved his closing.
i felt exactly how you felt. The female investigator guilty of stealing that watch she admitted to seeing it on X and was very defensive. I think they all thought Mr Williams was going down for life. it was suspicious when they said they didn’t itemize the jewelry just tossed it in a bag. I love Doug just found out this was his first criminal case he’s a civil lawyer. Doug did an amazing job. i can’t help but wonder how many poor people the DA sent to prison who were innocent
The female investigator has known Shannon since they were teens and people have been saying that she has been stalking him for a number of years. It doesn't have anything to do with police work either, she's obsessed with him!!!
Detective Gaither blatantly lied numerous times, Detective Thorpe lied, Detective Hogan just a lazy azz detective and lied by just being stupid, and last but not least Viverito lied, stole, and deceived with evidence. She literally said she would still turn in the evidence of Thug saying "24m in his head", after Schardt informed her what Thug was referring to isn't the evidence she's portraying. Also, the cop that unfortunately got shot lied bc on stand his testimony was completely different from the bodycam video.
I’m personally satisfied with the verdicts and the plea deals. However, we shouldn’t lose sight that there were real victims of the crimes charged. The prosecution, by their apparent ineptitude, failed those victims.
I mean, a guy that was a longtime Blood and was apparently being targeted to settle a score, which means he probably also killed someone(s). Not saying he deserved to get killed, and I must disclaim I have no idea what I'm even talking about gangs or even the truth in this case. It's terrible for his family no matter what. I hope they do find the real killer or new evidence against these guys, because I have a feeling there will be more scores to settle if they don't.
Not investigating the 4th car and the car with u-turn was a failure for the family to find the actual killer. The robbery of the watch was key that turned to not guilty as witness were not convinced of candor to the court.
Juror 56 was the guy who sent the email to the judges I think a week before Thugg took the plea asking to be removed frm the case & said he lost all hope in the state. Thank God for juror 56 he felt the same as all of us💛🤷🏻♀️🤣
Haha felt for that guy but I’m glad he stayed. Judge was like “well this viewpoint sounds far too reasonable to be an excuse to get off my jury. Bless your heart - Nice try though.” 😅
Not exactly true after hearing 3 of the jurors interviews..they infer through their answers he wasn't exactly strong on Not guilty on all charges throughout the process...great interview, Kokomo was on there also.
I’ve been threatened by the prosecutor for taking a case to trial. One time it was so blatant that it was . I had a juvenile delinquency case where I was defending a teenager who did not want to admit to the crime and wanted to take it to trial. We scheduled the trial and on the day of trial, The prosecutor was not ready with her witnesses and threatened us that if he didn’t take a deal, she was going to dismiss the charges and file for higher charges with harsher penalties. I was furious at the unethical conduct. I went right into the courtroom and told the judge and the prosecutor‘s boss and the families and the witnesses and every attorney that was in the hallway also. She soiled her integrity and never play that game with me again.
Thank you so much for being a good lawyer.. I don’t know you personally but from how you explained that situation and how you handled unethical conduct by the prosecution.. I wish I had a lawyer like you when I was fighting for my sons custody by my sons father (We ended up doing mediation a couple days before trial and have split custody, I had full til our son was 8.. It wasn’t a good outcome because his father is abusive and not stable and 3 time felon due to the the domestic abuse) I actually had to get a little upset at my lawyer during the 3rd mediation because he wasn’t fighting for us, miserable experience.. Thank you for standing for what is right..
The problem for the State in this case was simple: they had the guy who committed one of the crimes on the stand testifying, but he wasn't charged. Pretty obvious if they had charged Woody with the Thomas murder, he'd have been more likely to be convicted. The Drinks murder? That random speeding car coming up to the stop light was the biggest problem. Had the police bothered to do their job and investigated THAT car, and been able to confidently rule out that the people in it were involved, we might have seen a different result. Shoddy work by the police, shoddy work by the Prosecution. Instead? They came up with this stupid RICO thing, and hoped piling on immaterial nonsense would allow them to "blind them with bullsh!t".
Right, I agree the prosecution overbid their hand. That Rico charge and pulling all of them in together for that case was too much they just should have charged Wootie. They probably would have gotten a conviction. And then for the prosecution to pretty much force him to testify or go to jail was crazy. You can just give someone immunity that they didn't bargain for and then if they don't testify, they go to jail !?!? I had no idea that was even a thing. The prosecutors were just not prepared, they look sloppy. The trial was not fair, that was the problem. Justice is supposed to be equal and unbiased. (in reality we know that is BS) but to just blatantly be biased!!! Don't even get me started on Judge Glanville!! 🤦🏽♀️ WTH. Thank goodness for Judge Whitaker .The prosecution gave that case away. I hope these men (defendants) recognize the opportunity they have been given and make the very best decisions going forward.
Woooo Peter! I loved to hear you say some ppl in that office need to lose their jobs or get some more education! Hylton & love were PAINFUL to watch try this case.
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I cried yesterday after hearing he got stabbed in jail so I got emotional too. I hope this makes changes but with how they seem to run things I don't have much hope
This is the right verdict. My heart breaks for young thug because I think it would have been the same. Thankfully, this jury saw this for what it was. Also, I have taken judicial elections much more seriously the past few years and really try to see if they align with my beliefs on how the justice system should be!
Peter, you're right about how important it is that trials are being watched. I've voted for 41 years. Because of watching trials, this year was the first time I have researched judges before I voted. I am a bit ashamed and embarrassed that I didn't realize how important it was. I was shocked at the records of some of the judges on the ballot! Several were horrible!
Amen! Local judges absolutely impact our lives! If they are weak on crime it will impact your daily lif e, so happy to hear you use your platform to help educate people. The lawyers you love!
The judge at the end “I’m not saying the prosecution is or should fix this other case asap” but “I’m just assuming you’re going to make that happen now… right prosecution? Right?!?”
Shout out to the families who stood in unity with the defendants they loved. Shout out to the passions those families showed when yelling, "they are innocent" on multi forms of media, on the courthouse lawn, on their lawns. Shout out to the LOVE they displayed day, after day, after day, SHOWING LOVE. Beautiful!
They asked for evidence on Yak first and then Stillwell. It seems like they dealt with Yak first, i.e., gas station videos, shooting of nuts, and questions about the watch. Then, after Thanksgiving, they asked for evidence on Stillwell. Gas station footage, fed ex footage, a call thst the jury thought was Stillwell (it wasn't so they were told that) and lyrics. I don't think it was close. They just dealt with them separately
Exactly what the jurors said. The lyrics were only asked for because 1 juror didn't understand them. They did Yaks first because he had less charges. Stillwell's firearm charge happened when they arrested him on Rico. There wasn't much doubt on not guilty for the other charges.
I really hope you do get Doug on. His closing was my favorite. Especially considering this was his first criminal trial. He's a civil attorney. Also, 3 jurors(only 1 of them deliberated), just did a very extensive interview on I'm Not A Lawyer But's YT channel. It was very insightful.
Judge Whitaker did questions juror 56 in front of the defense and prosecutors away from the rest of the jury and his main issue was the length of the trial thinking it would be another 6 months. Whitaker guaranteed him it would not be 6 more months and would most likely be done by the end of the year. He said he could still be fair and impartial. But Whitaker also told the state that he started out impartial and that it was on the state to give him enough evidence so he could side with the state and basically she said the state was not doing their job in her own Whitaker type way.
Yall go watch the interview w/ the 3 jurors!!! (I'm Not a lawyer but...page) it was only one juror that had questions on lyrics because English wasn't their first language. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Love your show I always learn so much. As a psychological/ criminal justice major I love hearing you and your dad give both your takes on the case give a lot of knowledge & insight.
Fun fact, yaks attorney had never lost a criminal case and only one civil. Him and max are incredible attorneys and it was an honor to see them fight for their clients
Lol Papa Tragos saying “no skin off my nose” is very on brand. It’s clear now where you get it 😅 Love seeing you two engage in thoughtful and informed conversation with your expertise. While encouraging the public to stay woke and participate in their local elections/ judicial system. I’m sure your dad is very proud of the lawyer and person you are. ❤ from NYC
Replay watcher here. It irritates me when the mic goes out for two seconds and people immediately start commenting that the sound is messing up. It’s like give it a second to fix itself. It is the Internet that is how it goes.😂
That missing watch bothers me because it was a gift from Drake. Young Thug should sue the City of Atlanta for it going missing. They are responsible because they had NO procedure in collecting these expensive items from his house.
Not a single witness put up by the Defense! The judge got right to business. Yak was not even standing on his feet before she sang out NOT GUILTY! As a parent I cried tears of joy for my television son's. I have been watxhing thks case since day one. I saidy prayer gave it to GOD! Thank You to the Juror's & Judge. Welcome home son's!
This is true. There’s more than one battle being fought. The DA’s office failed the families of those guys. Gave them false hope 10’yrs later all while violating the rights of several others solely to advance their careers and make a name for themselves. They certainly succeeded in making a name for themselves. Now their names will be remembered, as failures, and deceptive attorneys. They did not care about crime or making criminals pay.
People are not disregarding the victims. This is our system of justice at work and it’s on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty. They didn’t due to their own negligence. There were gapping holes in their prosecution that should have been handled. That’s on them not we the public. Personally, I don’t think anyone wants the guilty to go free, but, we also don’t want an innocent person going to prison for a crime they didn’t do. And in this case I believe the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented.
That’s true but it’s the state fault for going after who they wanted and not who really did it…. Woody would have been a good defendant for Nuts death. The third car at the red like should have been investigated for Drinks murder. The family should be upset with the prosecutors.
If you followed the local lawyer coverage, you would know that Love has been pulling these stunts for years and has no shame. She will have to be overruled. Otherwise, she will gladly wade into another circus with zero lessons learned.
No people should be able to sue if they are found not guilty I’m sure a manner. These judges/DA’s shouldn’t get to hide behind immunity when they don’t morally and ethically do the jobs they were elected to. And we are seeing more and more of this happening now. Let them feel the pressure to do right. They have such big egos and act like they are gods… they are not! If they did the job they would have nothing to worry about. Cops lost immunity so why should judges/DA’s keep it.
I live in NYS. Several years ago our church would host a candidate’s night before elections and invite the community so that voters could hear the candidates’ platform and ask them questions. The judges were not allowed to answer questions on their general philosophy and how they would function in their role. I don’t know if that is just a new york state rule or not, but it was so frustrating. It was like buying a pig in a poke.
There was a interview last night with 3 of the jurors. I think they went back over the lyrics by Shannon Stilwell because there was a language barrier with a juror. They broke down how they looked at the witnesses, experts, and how the case was presented
Love your father comments he explained all the questions I was thinking very knowledgeable and you both are a great team it to bad because young thug can’t rap his old music
Innocents sitting in prison, material witnesses sitting in prison till trial is over, to get coerced pleas. What is wrong with the truth? The one lawyer and defendant told the truth and deceit of prosecutors over the top sworn.
I hope the victims in these cases can get justice. I’m proud of the families, the defendants and defense attorneys for fighting every second of the last 2 years.
Peter: The mics lagging is the first sign of a high server demand - which means a crap load of clients accessing the stream, because streaming is always a P2P connection.
Todays been a busy day for trial news. This was the best news I've heard in a long time. I've been following this case for a year, and that hug between max and Shannon got me. I cried like a baby. 😅 judge whitaker was fair, just as big George predicted! 🎉
Rewatch ?? Would it be reasonable for you to make an episode with resources and ways for citizens to research their local judges? I for one would appreciate it! I do realize that it may be too much with many states being so different with how things are done, so it may not be doable 😅
Where the state messed up imo I tried this case as a fake juror and imo it was the record label muddied the waters too much it should have been a blood Rico not ysl Rico
I think the DA office (Fani and Love) would also take into consideration the judge (Whittaker) on this trial and knowing the poor views she has of the performance of the prosecutors so far they know they’ll have an uphill battle. Their best bet is to go back and lick their wounds and re-strategise. They have a really fine goal to rid the state of gangs. All they need to do is focus on collecting real evidence, recent criminal activity (so collection of evidence is easy) and move away from the easy targets young rappers who are trying to get their life together and actually move away from the gang and street violence.
The Jury has spoken, wrong never was going to a hang jury on Stilwell, questions on lyrics was for only one juror never was a factor of Stilwell being guilty, one juror had her facts wrong they only wanted to review it to show her because she didn’t quite understand English. Juror #225 said they didn’t believe any of the DA evidence, didn’t believe it was a crime gang, never found RICO, & video about Drinks was to show in verse that the car didn’t move after Stilwell pulled off, that it moved & brake light came on after the car behind Stilwell, they be levied just like myself the car behind Stilwell was the shooter. A very smart observing jury. Jury #225 stated it was not guilty from the start, however, on juror didn’t quite understand English. & also they took one at a time Yak first Shannon second, Yak not guilty on December 2 & on December 3 Shannon not guilty except for gun charge.
I'm happy with verdicts. Note how the State still acted dirty to keep their claws on SB and other defendants for years by filing that recidivist motion! Probation is another way for Fulton to keep their claws dug in! I hope those guys do right and move out of Fulton!!
Come to find out, only one juror requested to hear the lyrics back because the juror interviewed says she believes it was due to English being her second language and she couldn't understand it the first time. This was in a live while jurors were giving interviews, and she seemed to be guessing about the second language part.
Some other jurors said there was only one who wanted to hear the lyrics because English wasn’t her first language and couldn’t understand some of the songs.
Steel being charged with contempt was the catalyst for this verdict. The contempt charge eventually led to Glanville’s recusal. The assigning of Judge Whitaker turned this case around. She saved these men in my opinion.
Everything happens for a reason
Right because Judge Glanville was so upset him and the State got caught being sneaky and they forced Him Woody to testify which was the beginning of the end for the State
@jacks4009 that's a floating tree I cling to sometimes when I get exhausted 😂
You have the best name on the internet 😂
@@whoyawith9494 soooo true for me as well my friend! 🤣
Judge Whitaker was so excited and wasted not a second to read those verdicts LOL
Lol I never heard a quicker verdict read 🤣
lol exactly i noticed that
Yak was not all the way on his feet before the jidge told him NO GUILTY!
@@321_Relax Same with sentencing. Short and sweet on the time served.
I absolutely adore that mom saying she never gave up on her son. ❤️🙌🏼
Go Ma!
I felt that!!
It chokes me up to see those lawyers so very emotionally invested in the outcome due to the belief in their client's character as men.
@@buntybaggins536 me too
As a retired prosecutor I’m embarrassed by the DA office
Fulton County/Fani Willis means corruption
Ha, any prosecutor should be! Fulton fanni should be in the Fulton county females lock up herself. This is why everyone should vote NO on every sitting DA and judge every election cycle…. Let them explain to we the people why they need to keep their government paycheck along with immunity. Term limits and no more judicial/prosecutorial immunity! Follow the law and act in an ethical manner. Most don’t!
Papa T I can’t thank you enough for sticking with this case! I can tell you were truly interested in the process and the outcome. It was great to have both of your takes on it.
Ditto to this ☝🏻
I can't improve on these words at all, well said. 😀
Great with his vast knowledge! ❤ PAPA T ❤ thank you so much!
yes, I always wanna know his federal prosecutor perspective. he & attorney Keisha “ikie” al shabazz are the best!!
Yak should get his lawyer fees refunded by the state.
The judge also told the state the next round of court proceedings would be no longer than 90 days. I think she sent a message to the state.
No, the prosecutor told her 90 days
The case will start within the next 90 days...not the trial can only last 90 days.
@@teemyoutube2066 trial starts February 17th
As a retired police officer I am usually pro prosecution. After this case I think every trial should be televised.
So many times the prosecution did not have evidence ready for the defense or exhibits. The Judge would chastise DA Love or Hylton for failing to have exhibits ready and tell them to by a deadline to get them to the defense. Then deadline would pass and it wasn’t done, or the DAs would say they emailed them after 10:00pm when they would be used the next morning in court. I felt Love and Hylton lied many times during the case as far as CYA on evidence and exhibits being delivered to the defense.
I also felt police officers/detectives lied on the stand or were less than truthful. All the missing police reports and it was chalked up to the City computers being hacked. Even a female detective said her personal hard drive was hooked up to they system when the a City’s computers were hacked, so she lost the contents of her hard drive. I call bs, I had more than one hard drive because I worked on cases at home. When a citizen looses their files during an investigation or resets their phone and claims being hacked, they are charged with tampering with evidence. Atlanta PD has lazy sloppy officers.
I also believe the missing pink $500,000 watch was stolen by a female investigator. I suspect she turned off her camera at the end of the search warrant and went back in to look for something accidentally on purpose she claims she left behind and stole the watch or she was said she was looking for someone. 💯 a female stole that pink watch.
I loved Doug Weinstein closing arguments. He flew under the radar for me during the trial, but wow - I would have voted not guilty for Doug’s client. Loved his closing.
I respect your service and your honesty unbiased I salute
i felt exactly how you felt. The female investigator guilty of stealing that watch she admitted to seeing it on X and was very defensive. I think they all thought Mr Williams was going down for life. it was suspicious when they said they didn’t itemize the jewelry just tossed it in a bag. I love Doug just found out this was his first criminal case he’s a civil lawyer. Doug did an amazing job. i can’t help but wonder how many poor people the DA sent to prison who were innocent
The female investigator has known Shannon since they were teens and people have been saying that she has been stalking him for a number of years. It doesn't have anything to do with police work either, she's obsessed with him!!!
I respect all that I did and I respect ur honesty opinion
Detective Gaither blatantly lied numerous times, Detective Thorpe lied, Detective Hogan just a lazy azz detective and lied by just being stupid, and last but not least Viverito lied, stole, and deceived with evidence. She literally said she would still turn in the evidence of Thug saying "24m in his head", after Schardt informed her what Thug was referring to isn't the evidence she's portraying. Also, the cop that unfortunately got shot lied bc on stand his testimony was completely different from the bodycam video.
I’m personally satisfied with the verdicts and the plea deals. However, we shouldn’t lose sight that there were real victims of the crimes charged. The prosecution, by their apparent ineptitude, failed those victims.
I mean, a guy that was a longtime Blood and was apparently being targeted to settle a score, which means he probably also killed someone(s). Not saying he deserved to get killed, and I must disclaim I have no idea what I'm even talking about gangs or even the truth in this case. It's terrible for his family no matter what. I hope they do find the real killer or new evidence against these guys, because I have a feeling there will be more scores to settle if they don't.
Gang members arent victims. Nutt got what he got because of the choices he made.
Not investigating the 4th car and the car with u-turn was a failure for the family to find the actual killer. The robbery of the watch was key that turned to not guilty as witness were not convinced of candor to the court.
thug did not have to take that plea.
@ Easy to say in hindsight. But you never know what a jury is going to do. But yeah, it looks like he would have easily been acquitted.
Now go be MEN and set good examples for our youth! You have the platform, use it wisely!
these r old dawgs- beware of the next shootings- both r dangerous, killer bums.
would u want these 2 as neighbors?!
Juror 56 was the guy who sent the email to the judges I think a week before Thugg took the plea asking to be removed frm the case & said he lost all hope in the state. Thank God for juror 56 he felt the same as all of us💛🤷🏻♀️🤣
He was the one that wanted off the case in Aug or September. I thought he’d be older. I can’t wait for his book. He saw through Love and Hylton.
Haha felt for that guy but I’m glad he stayed. Judge was like “well this viewpoint sounds far too reasonable to be an excuse to get off my jury. Bless your heart - Nice try though.” 😅
He was the foreman too 😂 Nothing but God ❤
Not exactly true after hearing 3 of the jurors interviews..they infer through their answers he wasn't exactly strong on Not guilty on all charges throughout the process...great interview, Kokomo was on there also.
I think Glanville is not suited for the bench.
@@Dishonorable.Kim.Jong.Cannone t agree
I agree The Honorable Judge Paige Whitaker did a way better job. She's the real MVP
I’ve been threatened by the prosecutor for taking a case to trial. One time it was so blatant that it was . I had a juvenile delinquency case where I was defending a teenager who did not want to admit to the crime and wanted to take it to trial. We scheduled the trial and on the day of trial, The prosecutor was not ready with her witnesses and threatened us that if he didn’t take a deal, she was going to dismiss the charges and file for higher charges with harsher penalties. I was furious at the unethical conduct. I went right into the courtroom and told the judge and the prosecutor‘s boss and the families and the witnesses and every attorney that was in the hallway also. She soiled her integrity and never play that game with me again.
Thank you so much for being a good lawyer.. I don’t know you personally but from how you explained that situation and how you handled unethical conduct by the prosecution.. I wish I had a lawyer like you when I was fighting for my sons custody by my sons father (We ended up doing mediation a couple days before trial and have split custody, I had full til our son was 8.. It wasn’t a good outcome because his father is abusive and not stable and 3 time felon due to the the domestic abuse) I actually had to get a little upset at my lawyer during the 3rd mediation because he wasn’t fighting for us, miserable experience..
Thank you for standing for what is right..
This was Doug Weinstien's FIRST criminal case!
Insane
The problem for the State in this case was simple: they had the guy who committed one of the crimes on the stand testifying, but he wasn't charged. Pretty obvious if they had charged Woody with the Thomas murder, he'd have been more likely to be convicted. The Drinks murder? That random speeding car coming up to the stop light was the biggest problem. Had the police bothered to do their job and investigated THAT car, and been able to confidently rule out that the people in it were involved, we might have seen a different result. Shoddy work by the police, shoddy work by the Prosecution. Instead? They came up with this stupid RICO thing, and hoped piling on immaterial nonsense would allow them to "blind them with bullsh!t".
Right, I agree the prosecution overbid their hand. That Rico charge and pulling all of them in together for that case was too much they just should have charged Wootie. They probably would have gotten a conviction. And then for the prosecution to pretty much force him to testify or go to jail was crazy. You can just give someone immunity that they didn't bargain for and then if they don't testify, they go to jail !?!? I had no idea that was even a thing. The prosecutors were just not prepared, they look sloppy. The trial was not fair, that was the problem. Justice is supposed to be equal and unbiased. (in reality we know that is BS) but to just blatantly be biased!!! Don't even get me started on Judge Glanville!! 🤦🏽♀️ WTH. Thank goodness for Judge Whitaker .The prosecution gave that case away. I hope these men (defendants) recognize the opportunity they have been given and make the very best decisions going forward.
2:44 that attorney had tears in his eyes. That is pretty heartwarming. I’m sure he was very invested after this long of a trial.
I think that because the state did such a bad job in presenting this case, the jury said nope we are letting them go
I would have loved to see The State's facial expressions.
I am so glad you finished this up with papa. I found this case amazingly interesting.
Woooo Peter! I loved to hear you say some ppl in that office need to lose their jobs or get some more education! Hylton & love were PAINFUL to watch try this case.
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This probably the best commentary that I’ve listened to. Thank you!!!
Those guys were so happy I got emotional I do think this trial will change prosecutions long term effects
I cried yesterday after hearing he got stabbed in jail so I got emotional too. I hope this makes changes but with how they seem to run things I don't have much hope
It looks like Yak has has a cut on his head with staples. Or was that always there. Never noticed it,
He got stabbed Sunday in the head. So sad and I’m glad he is free now. He should sue that state.
This is the right verdict. My heart breaks for young thug because I think it would have been the same. Thankfully, this jury saw this for what it was.
Also, I have taken judicial elections much more seriously the past few years and really try to see if they align with my beliefs on how the justice system should be!
Young Thug would have been found guilty of all the guns and drugs in his house
Justice for the defendants, not for the victims. They need to prosecute the real killers, not the people that fit in their narrative.
Exactly!
Thank you Peter and Papa Tragos for this verdict analysis🙏 😊
AMAZING SHOW!!! JUST LOVED IT!!! SO ENTERTAINING
Peter, you're right about how important it is that trials are being watched. I've voted for 41 years. Because of watching trials, this year was the first time I have researched judges before I voted. I am a bit ashamed and embarrassed that I didn't realize how important it was. I was shocked at the records of some of the judges on the ballot! Several were horrible!
I feel the jury were asking to rewatch videos and hear lyrics to prove the State was misstating facts.
I was so confused by the end of the trial; I can't imagine how the jurors were feeling. The DA's were telling us that up was down.
Amen! Local judges absolutely impact our lives! If they are weak on crime it will impact your daily lif e, so happy to hear you use your platform to help educate people. The lawyers you love!
I agree.. Some of them need to look for employment elsewhere 💯
But the standards used in the trial by the DA are the very standards of the entire DA office.
The scary part is listening to the alternate juror how different she saw everything which highlights every jury is a wild card
The judge at the end “I’m not saying the prosecution is or should fix this other case asap” but “I’m just assuming you’re going to make that happen now… right prosecution? Right?!?”
Shout out to the families who stood in unity with the defendants they loved. Shout out to the passions those families showed when yelling, "they are innocent" on multi forms of media, on the courthouse lawn, on their lawns. Shout out to the LOVE they displayed day, after day, after day, SHOWING LOVE. Beautiful!
Incredible outcome.
They asked for evidence on Yak first and then Stillwell. It seems like they dealt with Yak first, i.e., gas station videos, shooting of nuts, and questions about the watch. Then, after Thanksgiving, they asked for evidence on Stillwell. Gas station footage, fed ex footage, a call thst the jury thought was Stillwell (it wasn't so they were told that) and lyrics. I don't think it was close. They just dealt with them separately
Yes, I agree with you. I was thinking the same exact thing.
Exactly what the jurors said. The lyrics were only asked for because 1 juror didn't understand them. They did Yaks first because he had less charges. Stillwell's firearm charge happened when they arrested him on Rico. There wasn't much doubt on not guilty for the other charges.
They were never getting a guilty verdict. They were not guilty. All they did was expose their own corruption.
NGL I teared up! Crazy how this trial was!
Also the court reporter tweeted something nice it’s funny how everyone at the courthouse knows this was a sham except the prosecutors.
I really hope you do get Doug on. His closing was my favorite. Especially considering this was his first criminal trial. He's a civil attorney.
Also, 3 jurors(only 1 of them deliberated), just did a very extensive interview on I'm Not A Lawyer But's YT channel. It was very insightful.
Judge Whitaker did questions juror 56 in front of the defense and prosecutors away from the rest of the jury and his main issue was the length of the trial thinking it would be another 6 months. Whitaker guaranteed him it would not be 6 more months and would most likely be done by the end of the year. He said he could still be fair and impartial. But Whitaker also told the state that he started out impartial and that it was on the state to give him enough evidence so he could side with the state and basically she said the state was not doing their job in her own Whitaker type way.
The jurors said they have no respect for the DA office in the way they handled this case.
Rewatch crew. Great to see Big George again!
Your dad is freaking adorable
Yall go watch the interview w/ the 3 jurors!!! (I'm Not a lawyer but...page) it was only one juror that had questions on lyrics because English wasn't their first language. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Love your show I always learn so much. As a psychological/ criminal justice major I love hearing you and your dad give both your takes on the case give a lot of knowledge & insight.
Fun fact, yaks attorney had never lost a criminal case and only one civil. Him and max are incredible attorneys and it was an honor to see them fight for their clients
Lol Papa Tragos saying “no skin off my nose” is very on brand. It’s clear now where you get it 😅
Love seeing you two engage in thoughtful and informed conversation with your expertise. While encouraging the public to stay woke and participate in their local elections/ judicial system.
I’m sure your dad is very proud of the lawyer and person you are. ❤ from NYC
What’s wrong with ‘no skin off my nose’?
They’re great, aren’t they!
@BeeMcDee peter likes to use phrases like this so they thought it was cute papa tragos did too
The behavior Glanville and DA Love will be remembered
Steel was heartbroken when Thubg took the deal.
Thug had health issues so he had too!!!
I luv judge W didn't make those boys wait. Bam bam bam. She has been redeemed in my eyes.
Third time I’ve heard downward departure this week, having never heard of it till yesterday lol
Replay watcher here. It irritates me when the mic goes out for two seconds and people immediately start commenting that the sound is messing up. It’s like give it a second to fix itself. It is the Internet that is how it goes.😂
Just think how different the Karen Read trial would have been if someone like Judge Whitaker had presided.
I wish there were easy ways to research judges. In AZ we had a whole page on judges. Who can read up on that many?!
Yea that sh*t hurt my head lol
Juror 56 is going to roll this into a influencer career! LOL!
Finding a non-bias jury for the rest of the defendants after this non-guilty verdict.... whew 😕
Justice Served👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
One of the detectives(V), had it in her hands when she was in his house doing inventory and now it’s missing, which was the watch that cost $500,000.
That missing watch bothers me because it was a gift from Drake. Young Thug should sue the City of Atlanta for it going missing. They are responsible because they had NO procedure in collecting these expensive items from his house.
We all know she took it...
I definitely want to hear from that juror.
I watched this whole trial and seeing this live I literally cried.
Not a single witness put up by the Defense! The judge got right to business. Yak was not even standing on his feet before she sang out NOT GUILTY! As a parent I cried tears of joy for my television son's. I have been watxhing thks case since day one. I saidy prayer gave it to GOD! Thank You to the Juror's & Judge. Welcome home son's!
Amen‼️
What I don’t get is everyone’s disregarded the victim, Someone murdered him I feel for his family, he didn’t shoot hinself
This is true. There’s more than one battle being fought. The DA’s office failed the families of those guys. Gave them false hope 10’yrs later all while violating the rights of several others solely to advance their careers and make a name for themselves. They certainly succeeded in making a name for themselves. Now their names will be remembered, as failures, and deceptive attorneys. They did not care about crime or making criminals pay.
People are not disregarding the victims. This is our system of justice at work and it’s on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty. They didn’t due to their own negligence. There were gapping holes in their prosecution that should have been handled. That’s on them not we the public. Personally, I don’t think anyone wants the guilty to go free, but, we also don’t want an innocent person going to prison for a crime they didn’t do. And in this case I believe the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented.
That’s true but it’s the state fault for going after who they wanted and not who really did it…. Woody would have been a good defendant for Nuts death. The third car at the red like should have been investigated for Drinks murder. The family should be upset with the prosecutors.
If you followed the local lawyer coverage, you would know that Love has been pulling these stunts for years and has no shame. She will have to be overruled. Otherwise, she will gladly wade into another circus with zero lessons learned.
What a disaster for the state. This needs to be a wake up call to their whole office.
That is a mama you don't mess with. I'm thankful her son wasn't lying to her!
"Ms. Love is the decision maker."
What a horrifying statement!
No people should be able to sue if they are found not guilty I’m sure a manner. These judges/DA’s shouldn’t get to hide behind immunity when they don’t morally and ethically do the jobs they were elected to. And we are seeing more and more of this happening now. Let them feel the pressure to do right. They have such big egos and act like they are gods… they are not! If they did the job they would have nothing to worry about. Cops lost immunity so why should judges/DA’s keep it.
I live in NYS. Several years ago our church would host a candidate’s night before elections and invite the community so that voters could hear the candidates’ platform and ask them questions. The judges were not allowed to answer questions on their general philosophy and how they would function in their role.
I don’t know if that is just a new york state rule or not, but it was so frustrating. It was like buying a pig in a poke.
That is very strange imo, as Senators ask exactly those questions to potential Supreme Court justices.
These defendants should now walk on a straight line for a while if they do not want to be prosecuted again by this state attorney.
There was a interview last night with 3 of the jurors. I think they went back over the lyrics by Shannon Stilwell because there was a language barrier with a juror. They broke down how they looked at the witnesses, experts, and how the case was presented
Love papa !!
Love your father comments he explained all the questions I was thinking very knowledgeable and you both are a great team it to bad because young thug can’t rap his old music
Thanks!
Peter please make that mom's speech into a short. 💜
"I can no longer be unbiased because of how the state has presented this case" is SO funny.
Love when ‘ Papa Tragos weights in. The legal dream team.
What happens regarding the defendant whose been sat in jail 2 years and has been found not guilty does he get any sort of compensation for that
Nope
That’s sad‼️
The state had sooo much evidence, problem is, most wasn't applicable
Innocents sitting in prison, material witnesses sitting in prison till trial is over, to get coerced pleas. What is wrong with the truth? The one lawyer and defendant told the truth and deceit of prosecutors over the top sworn.
I hope the victims in these cases can get justice. I’m proud of the families, the defendants and defense attorneys for fighting every second of the last 2 years.
Det. Vivarito was the perfect culmination of witnesses for the prosecution
Peter: The mics lagging is the first sign of a high server demand - which means a crap load of clients accessing the stream, because streaming is always a P2P connection.
Todays been a busy day for trial news. This was the best news I've heard in a long time. I've been following this case for a year, and that hug between max and Shannon got me. I cried like a baby. 😅 judge whitaker was fair, just as big George predicted! 🎉
Amen mama !
Rewatch ?? Would it be reasonable for you to make an episode with resources and ways for citizens to research their local judges? I for one would appreciate it! I do realize that it may be too much with many states being so different with how things are done, so it may not be doable 😅
Mics are fine not seen any problem
Where the state messed up imo I tried this case as a fake juror and imo it was the record label muddied the waters too much it should have been a blood Rico not ysl Rico
I think the DA office (Fani and Love) would also take into consideration the judge (Whittaker) on this trial and knowing the poor views she has of the performance of the prosecutors so far they know they’ll have an uphill battle. Their best bet is to go back and lick their wounds and re-strategise. They have a really fine goal to rid the state of gangs. All they need to do is focus on collecting real evidence, recent criminal activity (so collection of evidence is easy) and move away from the easy targets young rappers who are trying to get their life together and actually move away from the gang and street violence.
Papa Tragos comment about civil vs criminal lawyers clearly got under Peters skin😅😂....what a great duo...I love when you have Dad on ❤
The Jury has spoken, wrong never was going to a hang jury on Stilwell, questions on lyrics was for only one juror never was a factor of Stilwell being guilty, one juror had her facts wrong they only wanted to review it to show her because she didn’t quite understand English. Juror #225 said they didn’t believe any of the DA evidence, didn’t believe it was a crime gang, never found RICO, & video about Drinks was to show in verse that the car didn’t move after Stilwell pulled off, that it moved & brake light came on after the car behind Stilwell, they be levied just like myself the car behind Stilwell was the shooter. A very smart observing jury. Jury #225 stated it was not guilty from the start, however, on juror didn’t quite understand English. & also they took one at a time Yak first Shannon second, Yak not guilty on December 2 & on December 3 Shannon not guilty except for gun charge.
Even for the status hesring that followed sentencing none of the prosecutors came back but one.
I'm happy with verdicts. Note how the State still acted dirty to keep their claws on SB and other defendants for years by filing that recidivist motion! Probation is another way for Fulton to keep their claws dug in! I hope those guys do right and move out of Fulton!!
Can you cover the verdict on the Penny case
Peter, please make a video on how we can find out about our judges records? Where do you get that information?
She asked if it was unanimous
It was next to impossible for me to find info about judges on my ballot. I had to ask ppl I know.
Come to find out, only one juror requested to hear the lyrics back because the juror interviewed says she believes it was due to English being her second language and she couldn't understand it the first time. This was in a live while jurors were giving interviews, and she seemed to be guessing about the second language part.
Some other jurors said there was only one who wanted to hear the lyrics because English wasn’t her first language and couldn’t understand some of the songs.