Unfortunately, it seems that way (many suspicions concerning this group of people (in the house that night) - where I believe what happened to John O’Keefe occurred. Based on the testimony of the many closely connected individuals in that house (possibly started in the basement or cellar(whichever you prefer to call it) then he was placed outside in the harsh elements. Too many variables that do not add up so far.
@TashiaRedd Seriously read the comment. You'll never make a lawyer you can't even understand a simple comment. That is not what I said. Why are all Read fans so stupid?
@thecherokeerose Maybe Karen hit him in the back of the head 3 times as he walked towards the party? Someone or something hit the back of his head. Who did John turn his back on? Who found him under 4 inches of snow?
And the house should have been considered a part of the crime scene (yet unbelievably it was conveniently left out of the equation. I find that forensically irresponsible. The body tells a story & where it was found….. Then the house should have been the other part of the story
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip u would check to see if the person is still alive u wouldnt think about contaminating the scene u would be thinking about saving the person . The attorneys point is there was no body in the yard they were after killing him inside the house . Its your comment that is stupid but here i have good news for u Anna No Brain No Tumor . .
Her attitude and defensiveness is JUST like Jodi Arias was under cross 😳 Y'all need to learn a thing or two about body language and facial expressions. Jennifer McCabe is 100% lying.
Absolutely no! She’s been so harassed as well as her family! Have you no compassion? I’d be defensive too! She’s not on trial here….and the Arias comparison is laughable! 🤭
@@doreen1128 McMabe is NOT the first person/witness in the history of court cases to be harassed before trial. And just because I have an opinion on the way she's testifying, doesn't give you the right to call my compassion into question. Why did you feel the need to make it personal? Being harassed before trial does NOT excuse the way she is verbally attacking the defense whenever she feels uncomfortable or cornered, conveniently adding to her testimony, refusing to properly answer questions, rolling her eyes etc.
It's very hard to understand what it's like to be in a situation such as being on a witness stand testifying at a murder trial unless you have actually had to do this. It's easy to look at someone doing it and think about what you would do or say or how you would act or respond. I have personally been in this situation. I can confidently say that it was way more complex than how I would have assumed it to be before hand. Some of the details are similar as the victim she is testifying about was someone she knew and claims was her friend. The trial I testified at was for the murder of someone I considered a friend. One major difference is I had never met, saw, or knew the person who killed my friend. I did not know this person existed until after I watched him shoot my friend. With that being said, the only thing I can think of to explain this womens behavior and demeanor, and the way she is answering or not answering the questions she is being asked that makes sense is that she is covering for someone or several someone's that are more important to her than her friends John and Karen. Period.
She sure does and she doesn't realize how much more she is hurting her case. Caught lying. Editorializing every answer except her side. Her side are yes and no answers and for Karen's side every answer has to be everything BUT the answer. They did it. She lied and so did the girl on the stand now.
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip who was helping? who were thru helping they don't sound like they cared about Karen? they were so nasty to her the whole morning omfg the bitchiness, that's not help....she was helping herself to look for John she wasn't helping John or Karen or kerry she should have never organised where people should park or be looking out yhe window and door instead of enjoying the party at her house? who texts people where to park if they know the house, the area and if they are a cop? makes no sense. I don't text my friends where to park. It's all lies.
The woman is an obvious psychopath. Even the most innocent person would be more nervous in this situation. She is way too calm and collected. Reminds me of Jodi Arius.
@@thelastroseofsummer2817I agree with you on that. However, she has a very selective memory. She is over the top with having him find certain statements statements
She was trying to find his phone to delete ring footage!! So obvious!! Like a guy said on here “ all the butt dialing, bunch of assholes all talking all night”!! 😂
Right. If she was being truthful then why do you need to read every paper that is associated with the question unless you want to make sure you keep that same story..I'm sure the jury sees that this is a coverup and they are framing her to protect the cop and his friends and family m for God sakes the cop that trooper Proctor is best friends with this lady's bro in law that was a cop at the time and owned the house..
Yeah some things are easy to forget like what I ate for dinner 2 years ago. But you would think if your “friend” was murdered and you were at the scene and part of it you might not forget at least the very important parts. Of course she only recalls the same details as everybody else 😂what a joke this is.
@astrialindaH Probably the blood soaked into the ground. Maybe John was hit near the metal box, and tried to crawl to the house and collapsed. Who put his phone under his back so no-one could see his phone ringing?
@@LauraA-zn3hninteresting how every one of their responses are very unfavorable to the case...all the McAlberts, Higgins, Proctor, etc. I assure you these are not mere coincidences.
I don't know if she's lying... but how do you go in front of numerous grand juries and not remember EXACTLY what she said. She is in front of a jury and doesn't remember everything that happened on the night and the next morning of a day her friend was found dead.
It's very hard to understand what it's like to be in a situation such as being on a witness stand testifying at a murder trial unless you have actually had to do this. It's easy to look at someone doing it and think about what you would do or say or how you would act or respond. I have personally been in this situation. I can confidently say that it was way more complex than how I would have assumed it to be before hand. Some of the details are similar as the victim she is testifying about was someone she knew and claims was her friend. The trial I testified at was for the murder of someone I considered a friend. One major difference is I had never met, saw, or knew the person who killed my friend. I did not know this person existed until after I watched him shoot my friend. With that being said, the only thing I can think of to explain this womens behavior and demeanor, and the way she is answering or not answering the questions she is being asked that makes sense is that she is covering for someone or several someone's that are more important to her than her friends John and Karen. Period.
exactly. couldn’t have summed it up any better. every time Jenn McCabe gets hung up on a question she looks at the jury, mustering all the authenticity possible for a guilty party, and reinforces her role of ‘distraught friend’ and reiterates how upset she was with finding John.
And she keeps repeating that she turned her phone over willingly. Quick, someone get her a gold star for that so she can get the acknowledgement she is seeking for this and shut the eff up about it.
Damn, this shit is sketchy as hell! When police conduct interviews for a MURDER INVESTIGATION don’t they usually have the people involved go to the POLICE DEPARTMENT for interviews instead of at the PERSONS HOUSE and aren’t those interviews usually RECORDED???
Yes, and they don’t use a leaf blower on a crime scene. They also don’t put evidence in red solo cups! They secure the scene and call another department to bring them evidence bags, evidence vials, evidence boxes, etc. etc. etc., if their own department doesn’t have these items. They also document everything at the scene! They photograph the body, if possible. They document where the blood is at! They most certainly DONT scoop up the snow with blood on it and not label where this blood was recovered from! Horrible example of “police work”
Yes. 100%. I was an eye witness to a murder of one of my friends and absolutely that is what happens. Almost every single thing I have heard so far about how this case has been handled since the first moment is being conducted the polar opposite of how the case I was a witness to and also had to testified at the trial was. This shit is blowing my mind.
@Kallie And statements need to be dated and signed. This is so screwed I doubt we will ever know how John was hurt and who actually did lea e him in the snow. It's really evil.
Yes, she does seem to have a rather high-powered perception of herself these personality styles do not like To be called out. What bothers me is that the house was not considered part of a crime scene (would you accept the people inside claiming Mr. O’Keefe never came in that house? I would not under these circumstances.
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip Not a revelation, especially if they're trying to protect someone else and or because not all police officers like one another just because they share the same career discipline 👈
I called the phone company this morning explaining that all 345 calls on my bill this month were all Butt Dials and that I shouldn't be held accountable for that bill.
Something has been really bothering me. Jenn McCabe seemed oddly obsessed with John O'Keefe arriving at the house to the point where she was up and down going to the window and texting. Odd behaviour for a married woman for one thing, but apparently John never arrived so why did she suddenly just stop showing any concern about his whereabouts or arrival?
@@anastaiber952 I don't think she had a crush. I think that the texts were sent as a cover because Brian planned to beat john up. Maybe because Colin was in trouble with the law and John was the one who charged him
Really great point!!! Isn't it also a bit odd that after they found John that she never checked in to see how Karen was doing or to collaborate the story with Karen as she did with carrie?🧐
Now imagine being on the jury and listening to this. If I was the commonwealth, I would be furious at these witnesses if she is guilty because their behavior alone is tanking this case. We have all dealt with liars and no one likes being lied to or people who nitpick every single thing.
@@notthatronjohnson1186Maybe bc Karen took her along for the ride all the while screaming at them and yelling “I hit him, did I hit him?” In turn, when they discovered the body of her friend, he’s dead. And Karen was the last person with John …
These lawyers are good, and the defensiveness alone makes me wonder.. but, I can’t help but think, what if Karen didn’t have money? What if this happened to someone who didn’t have the ability to pay attorney fees? An innocent person would no doubt be taking the fall.. This isn’t justice.
It's exactly what they've done to countless others a million times in places like Canton. The McAlberts, the DA, the judge, the Canton & State Police are used to framing innocent people and getting away with it. Who's got the money to hire someone like Alan Jackson and fly him in from LA to fight their endless corruption? If the factual circumstances documenting their criminal conspiracy weren't so compelling, and the media attention so widespread, they'd go through the motions and simply walk away again. They didn't anticipate and weren't prepared for such a well prepared legal defense, and it has really taken them by surprise for the first time in their lives.
Calling johns phone for an alibi of looking for him, or calling the phone that john lost while being killed?, so they can put his phone outside with him.
I absolutely agree! I've said this long ago. She complains about being harassed and she acts just like a mean girl that hasn't martured since high school!
I am shocked this woman is so dry and lacks of empathy for Karen and her arrogant attitude is pouring out of her pores, she is angry and really not a nice vibe at all, which usually denotes guilt and untruthful circumstances. Whatever happened that night, if it was her husband in the snow, she would have gone ballistic, and her attitude towards a woman screaming for help, screaming for her partner’s sleeping away from life and in shock is nasty, really awful people around Karen, whether she was framed or not, it’s clear there is no good sentiment at any levels.
She wants to be so hard in controll. But here in the cross examination, she lost almost all of the controll. Wonderful to watch. Its a very good defense lawyer.
The vicious harassment we’re all reviving “ . The stop covering up for a murder and trying to blame an innocent women . Your life is not more valuable than Hers!
What really happened to the dog? My stepdad used to be retired Detective Sergeant and no way would he stay inside the house with a deceased officer on his front lawn. That’s not rational…
I think the dog wasn’t there by morning and his daughter took her . Even the most mild dogs will react and I assume they didn’t close their doors because they had a dog .
It DOES look really really bad and IF she had nothing to do with anything and isn’t lieing I hope she reads every comment about herself so she can see how rude she appears and disrespectful to the court, for what reason?! Can you imagine being married to her or working with her 😮🙄🤦🏼♀️😭 I could NEVER. I don’t know if Karen ran him over or not but as her being someone from inside the house if I was on the jury I would be side eying her so hard her name could be “reasonable doubt” for Karen 💯🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ She seems like a rude, condescending, b word. Also if they saw John get there why didn’t they go look outside when he stopped texting, he could have simply been dropped off and so dr’nk he didn’t make it inside so when the plow came around it could have gotten him, they say it’s the biggest plow the town has, why wouldn’t they just go outside since he wasn’t answering but they knew he was just there and knew he had been drinking most of the ppl there were police they should have known to at the very least check to make sure he wasn’t passed out dr+nk outside in the snow 💯🙄🤦🏼♀️ Poor John he may never get justice but I definitely pray that no one is wrongly convicted and if anyone actually did this I hope they are sentenced.
If I were on this jury, her behavior would disgust me. Heck, most all of the prosecutions witnesses are all disgusting and obviously lying by being difficult about simply giving facts they already testified to 🙄 The truth is never difficult to remember, but lies are always hard to keep track of.
Im still witholding judgement on if i believe karen is innocent or not....but Bev seems to get quite disgruntled when the defense starts making good points...and Jen would have been much more believable as a person if she could just admit she didnt know something or remember. Instead, she skirted nearly EVERY SINGLE question as if she was fishing to see where it was going and seemwd to fix her narrative answers to fit his questions as they came along. It doesnt matter anymore if she really isnt lying...she gave the jury a hefty bit of reasonable doubt with her actions here.
I agree. And what’s very interesting and relative to this, the lead investigators text messages to his friends will turn out to be vile gossip about Karen originating from Jen, passed to Proctors sister (Courtney) over 67 phone calls in less than 8 months, then communicated to Proctor in his daily calls to his sister!
Is it or is someone asking her questions to confuse her timeline? The defense is doing this to make her testimony scattered and to discredit everything she said, wrote or testified to mean as she is hiding real credible information. That is the job of an attorney to ask questions to make a picture that possibly does not exist if he trying to illustrate reasonable doubt. Have you ever been on a stand as a witness? It's like walking through airport security. Yeah, you have nothing to hide but someone your anxious. If it were me & I bet you, if I were telling the truth and someone was calling me a liar in a room full of people & across the nation in this case, somehow a big happy smile is not on my face. An attorney twisting facts would confuse anyone and testimony gets confused. BTW, I am not saying KR is guilty either. I am just saying that this probably a normal reaction that happens every day in courtrooms.
@@dennisdonoghue9202I can see that. Everything is a trap in the enemies house. With that being said there was a lot of simple questions she ran from. A lot of answering questions no one asked. A lot of inconsistencies she can't button up.
how in the world do the cops find or somebody find a body on the front lawn of a house and the police do not check with the owners of that property if that person is related to or has any connection to anybody in that house and further and investigation of that propertysomething is sure fishy
An entire radius of that property “should have been considered a crime scene” Anyone who has worked a time crime scene would have done that unless…..????????
@@jeffhampton7405 That is very true & it all makes for a convoluted narrative leading to doubt & questionable intent. I'm hoping at some point actual evidence will be submitted in order to determine facts instead of what seems to be a tail of deception⁉️
@@jeffhampton7405 Observing from the sidelines I have to say 👉 there are so many convoluted stories, the more you hear the more doubt is created & too many questions w/o answers. Most of all the lack of convincing evidence but instead a poorly constructed tale that weaves a web of fabrications 👈👈👈👈
Were you there? These people have been constantly harassed in doing their children. Wouldn’t you be defensive when it comes to your family. I sure as heck would be. She’s not in trial. The murderer girlfriend is!
Right! She has amazing memory when it helps her but then has to editorialize and add all this nonsense to her response of a YES OR NO question. She also should stop acting like social media is an actual person or place. If she wants the online issue to stop all she has to do is STOP GOING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. Her uppity'ness is so cringe.
Lifelong GSD owner here. My dogs will start barking when someone approaches the driveway, including every member of my family and even me. There are delivery people who’ve left packages on my driveway because they didn’t want to come near my house.
@A-privilege-not.a-right My dogs would have come unglued with all that commotion on the front lawn. No one will ever convince me that the dog was in the house the morning John was found. Dogs ears are much more sensitive to sound than ours. Where was Chloe?
2:21:00 she says when Brian Albert came over before Trooper Proctor he was up in her bedroom? Why the F was he up in her bedroom? That's not a place to just hangout in a house for somebody... I wish counsel would have asked why he was up there... She's such a bad liar
She has no problem remembering the parts she wants to remember. And she also has no problem repeating over and over how horrible this has been for herself and her family but doesn't seem to remember that John is dead and he and Karen both also have families but doesn't concerned at all about what they have been going through. The Massachusetts government should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen in their court system.
You could see tire tracks but not the body of a large man on the front lawn. Anyone from the northeast knows how bright it gets at night during snow storms
She’s such an ego manipulator, she even argues with her own statements to twist it into something that fits her narrative at the time! I’m hoping the jury sees through it!
No one is home here. Or she is just playing it that way. Not sure. But if your going to lie you better have a good memory. If you have nothing to hide why be so testy?
Only a liar needs to see what they have said before so they can stick to that story. Just tell him what you remember without having to be reminded of your own story
And if theres a record she basically demands to see every single one 🤦🏼♀️🙄 I can’t stand this and I absolutely love watching trials but she has been one of the worst most disrespectful rude witness I’ve ever seen 💯🤦🏼♀️🙄
I’m just getting to Jenn’s testimony so no one will probably see my thoughts but I noticed whenever a witness gets flustered or in Jenn’s case starts to lose it the judge calls for break I call bull crap on that! She talks so sweetly to her and is rude tthe defense, if the jury doesn’t come back in 45 minutes or less with a not guilty verdict then something is wrong
I’m thinking John’s phone was ,on silent ,turned down or on vibrate and thats why he didn’t answer her text messa8es saying “where are you ? He didn’t answer her until he got there and said “here” And that’s the reason she called his phone 8 times in 19 minutes after they murdered him cuz they couldn’t find/hear his phone !Butt dail my ass
She HATES Karen Read! She is SO JEALOUS of Karen Read! She hates her because Karen is YOUNGER, MUCH BETTER LOOKING, SMARTER, UNENCUMBERED, MEN LIKE KAREN MORE THAN THEY DO HER, KAREN HAS GREAT STYLE, AND KAREN IS JUST 100% MORE OF EVERTHING!!! INCLUDING BEING A NICER PERSON.😅
Jen is the friend that will steal your wallet then help you look for it
Exactly.
ROTFLOL 😅
Lol
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That would be hilarious if Jackson could say that to her in cross!
Whats sad is this poor man had not one real friend in the entire group
So true ❤
@@Markgray-gq9ri Bs she's innocent your so blind
Unfortunately, it seems that way (many suspicions concerning this group of people (in the house that night) - where I believe what happened to John O’Keefe occurred. Based on the testimony of the many closely connected individuals in that house (possibly started in the basement or cellar(whichever you prefer to call it) then he was placed outside in the harsh elements. Too many variables that do not add up so far.
@@brynnleapierce5600
Who killed him and why?
@@Markgray-gq9riguilty of what? I’ve seen nothing thus far.
As Judge Judy ALWAYS says….
“ if you’re telling the truth your memory will be just fine”!
Yes the truth is easy to remember on the other hand a lie is hard to remember this woman couldnt lie straight in bed toxic person
This!
@TashiaRedd
Seriously read the comment. You'll never make a lawyer you can't even understand a simple comment. That is not what I said. Why are all Read fans so stupid?
the problem with this case is that the deceased's injuries just don't seem to match being backed into by a car
Yes I agree and they say they found 47 or 48 pieces of tail light in the yard that is crazy unbelievable not believable
@thecherokeerose
Maybe Karen hit him in the back of the head 3 times as he walked towards the party? Someone or something hit the back of his head. Who did John turn his back on? Who found him under 4 inches of snow?
Im shocked a prosecutor took this case.
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip and the injuries to his face and the deep lacerationd on his arm were caused by what? falling on a soft soggy wet lawn?
Among MANY other problems w this case! They need to find out who REALLY killed John and give justice to his family!
I can say with 100% certainty, if there were a dead body in my front yard, I would come out of the house. I think everyone would.
And the house should have been considered a part of the crime scene (yet unbelievably it was conveniently left out of the equation. I find that forensically irresponsible. The body tells a story & where it was found….. Then the house should have been the other part of the story
and especially a first responder would.. it’s literally becomes apart of their instincts..
@AnthonyMonaco
Your comment is a stupid, boring waste of space
@rvonmaur
And contaminate the scene? You put yourself in danger.
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip u would check to see if the person is still alive u wouldnt think about contaminating the scene u would be thinking about saving the person . The attorneys point is there was no body in the yard they were after killing him inside the house . Its your comment that is stupid but here i have good news for u Anna No Brain No Tumor . .
i hate when people act dense when you call them out on their BS lies
@DeeMorris
Oh the Read mob thinking they can stop me saying how dumb you are? Not likely. Is that your contribution? PATHETIC
Tell us your name and spell it please ? Prosecution: Objection! This judge:
Sustain!!! Lol
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Her attitude and defensiveness is JUST like Jodi Arias was under cross 😳 Y'all need to learn a thing or two about body language and facial expressions. Jennifer McCabe is 100% lying.
Absolutely no! She’s been so harassed as well as her family! Have you no compassion? I’d be defensive too! She’s not on trial here….and the Arias comparison is laughable! 🤭
@@doreen1128 McMabe is NOT the first person/witness in the history of court cases to be harassed before trial. And just because I have an opinion on the way she's testifying, doesn't give you the right to call my compassion into question. Why did you feel the need to make it personal?
Being harassed before trial does NOT excuse the way she is verbally attacking the defense whenever she feels uncomfortable or cornered, conveniently adding to her testimony, refusing to properly answer questions, rolling her eyes etc.
@gypsy_woman
And who knew where the body awas. If I unalived a guy I would not go looking for him in a snowstorm with his hysterical gf. Come on.
She did though
Wrong! Normal response to an asshole like Atty Jackson. He's argumentative and totally confusing.
Why are these people being so difficult on the stand? They just make this conspiracy theory seem even more plausible
It's very hard to understand what it's like to be in a situation such as being on a witness stand testifying at a murder trial unless you have actually had to do this. It's easy to look at someone doing it and think about what you would do or say or how you would act or respond.
I have personally been in this situation. I can confidently say that it was way more complex than how I would have assumed it to be before hand. Some of the details are similar as the victim she is testifying about was someone she knew and claims was her friend. The trial I testified at was for the murder of someone I considered a friend. One major difference is I had never met, saw, or knew the person who killed my friend. I did not know this person existed until after I watched him shoot my friend. With that being said, the only thing I can think of to explain this womens behavior and demeanor, and the way she is answering or not answering the questions she is being asked that makes sense is that she is covering for someone or several someone's that are more important to her than her friends John and Karen. Period.
That should be considered as to why they all appeared very argumentative & hostile at times
Do you think “conspiracy theory” means “anything the government currently disputes”?
If it walks like a duck,talks like a duck,it's a duck!! Let Karen go now!!! Hos long before an acquittal??!!
Hos long does it take to doctor a video?!!😅
This women really thinks she’s powerful
@user
Do not help anyone, ever, is the message in this sad story
She sure does and she doesn't realize how much more she is hurting her case. Caught lying. Editorializing every answer except her side. Her side are yes and no answers and for Karen's side every answer has to be everything BUT the answer. They did it. She lied and so did the girl on the stand now.
She is powerful. She’s not going to bow down…would you? She’s not on trial here geez
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip who was helping? who were thru helping they don't sound like they cared about Karen? they were so nasty to her the whole morning omfg the bitchiness, that's not help....she was helping herself to look for John she wasn't helping John or Karen or kerry she should have never organised where people should park or be looking out yhe window and door instead of enjoying the party at her house? who texts people where to park if they know the house, the area and if they are a cop? makes no sense. I don't text my friends where to park. It's all lies.
She's not on trial yet but looking into the future yes she will be on trial@@doreen1128
I really hope the FBI steps in after Karen Read is found NG. The fish is rotting from the head.
The woman is an obvious psychopath. Even the most innocent person would be more nervous in this situation. She is way too calm and collected. Reminds me of Jodi Arius.
In situations like this you really are damned if you do or damned if you don't. React too over the top you're guilty. React too timidly also guilty.
Who cares, she's hot.
@@user-qr2kh6uh6qHot?? Jennifer?? Are your standards that low? 😅
@@user-qr2kh6uh6qwow! Your 2 brain cells and a synapse deduced that all on their own?? Good for you!!
@@thelastroseofsummer2817I agree with you on that. However, she has a very selective memory. She is over the top with having him find certain statements statements
Free Karen Read!!!! Jail time for all the liars plotting against her!!!
Agree the culprits are framing her. It’s plain obvious.
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Jens butt frantically dialed 19 times to the same person? What are the odds?
5 text in 13 min? What is that?
She was trying to find his phone to delete ring footage!! So obvious!! Like a guy said on here “ all the butt dialing, bunch of assholes all talking all night”!! 😂
Big butt
I guess that would be called butt redialing😂😂
And it was six times in 19 minutes to the same person...
This women lies so much. She can’t remember her lies so she needs to be shown the buffoonery that she said.😅
Why isn’t the Judge tell her to shut up and answer a yes or no question?
The judge is friends with most people involved in the case .
Her kids call the judge aunt bev, thats why
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If you’re not lying, and trying to keep your story, straight. It should not be this difficult to testify in a trial.
Right. If she was being truthful then why do you need to read every paper that is associated with the question unless you want to make sure you keep that same story..I'm sure the jury sees that this is a coverup and they are framing her to protect the cop and his friends and family m for God sakes the cop that trooper Proctor is best friends with this lady's bro in law that was a cop at the time and owned the house..
Yeah some things are easy to forget like what I ate for dinner 2 years ago. But you would think if your “friend” was murdered and you were at the scene and part of it you might not forget at least the very important parts. Of course she only recalls the same details as everybody else 😂what a joke this is.
Her and her husband are veey secretive about the higgins vehicle plow. I think the vehiclevplow and suv were both possibly involved.
@astrialindaH
Probably the blood soaked into the ground. Maybe John was hit near the metal box, and tried to crawl to the house and collapsed. Who put his phone under his back so no-one could see his phone ringing?
Watching Mr Jackson is like watching a well-choreographed ballet.
She's very cocky, not a good look for her.
Her looks are still gross no matter
She looks fine to me.
Especially when she cannot back it up 😂
Butt dials 6 concecutive times within 19 minutes to the same person. Sure, I believe that one.
This woman disgusts me as a human being. This whole case is shameful and eye opening
Have to agree although it brings me no pleasure.
She doesn’t disgust me though I think her responses seem unfavorable to the trial.
@@LauraA-zn3hninteresting how every one of their responses are very unfavorable to the case...all the McAlberts, Higgins, Proctor, etc. I assure you these are not mere coincidences.
Damn…you don’t forget your truthful answers…you DO however forget lies… Ma’am… stop lying…
Right
She thinks she's a cop. They do the same thing on thecstand
Jen McCabe is very defensive why is that?
I don't know if she's lying... but how do you go in front of numerous grand juries and not remember EXACTLY what she said. She is in front of a jury and doesn't remember everything that happened on the night and the next morning of a day her friend was found dead.
P.S. Can someone explain to me why they keep going on and on about parked cars?? I just started watching.
It's very hard to understand what it's like to be in a situation such as being on a witness stand testifying at a murder trial unless you have actually had to do this. It's easy to look at someone doing it and think about what you would do or say or how you would act or respond.
I have personally been in this situation. I can confidently say that it was way more complex than how I would have assumed it to be before hand. Some of the details are similar as the victim she is testifying about was someone she knew and claims was her friend. The trial I testified at was for the murder of someone I considered a friend. One major difference is I had never met, saw, or knew the person who killed my friend. I did not know this person existed until after I watched him shoot my friend. With that being said, the only thing I can think of to explain this womens behavior and demeanor, and the way she is answering or not answering the questions she is being asked that makes sense is that she is covering for someone or several someone's that are more important to her than her friends John and Karen. Period.
Jen M. Is guilty with her involvement. KR is being framed.
Cuz she's lying
Why’s she mad? She said she wanted to know what happened to John but when questioned by the defense proves otherwise.
My thoughts also- if she was truly innocent in all of this she would be much less annoyed and bothered by the questions. She’d answer them directly.
@@KyP-xq4rzyou're exactly right I was thinking the same thing
exactly. couldn’t have summed it up any better. every time Jenn McCabe gets hung up on a question she looks at the jury, mustering all the authenticity possible for a guilty party, and reinforces her role of ‘distraught friend’ and reiterates how upset she was with finding John.
And she keeps repeating that she turned her phone over willingly.
Quick, someone get her a gold star for that so she can get the acknowledgement she is seeking for this and shut the eff up about it.
If Ms. McCabe was being truthful there should be no reason for her anger & agitation that behavior puts up red flags to me.
Can't believe I am typing this....but love the defense attorney!
Same 😊Quite a change!
Us too
@greggroppo
Bleh
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipyou know he's good. C'mon now, admit it😊
@@marshapieroni6677 she’s either an Albert or McCabe don’t bother 😂
Damn, this shit is sketchy as hell! When police conduct interviews for a MURDER INVESTIGATION don’t they usually have the people involved go to the POLICE DEPARTMENT for interviews instead of at the PERSONS HOUSE and aren’t those interviews usually RECORDED???
Exactly!
Yes! Exactly.
Yes, and they don’t use a leaf blower on a crime scene. They also don’t put evidence in red solo cups! They secure the scene and call another department to bring them evidence bags, evidence vials, evidence boxes, etc. etc. etc., if their own department doesn’t have these items. They also document everything at the scene! They photograph the body, if possible. They document where the blood is at! They most certainly DONT scoop up the snow with blood on it and not label where this blood was recovered from! Horrible example of “police work”
Yes. 100%. I was an eye witness to a murder of one of my friends and absolutely that is what happens. Almost every single thing I have heard so far about how this case has been handled since the first moment is being conducted the polar opposite of how the case I was a witness to and also had to testified at the trial was. This shit is blowing my mind.
@Kallie
And statements need to be dated and signed. This is so screwed I doubt we will ever know how John was hurt and who actually did lea e him in the snow. It's really evil.
Jen McCabe, the master manipulator. She was all over the place making sure everyone get their story straight but she messed up real bad 😂😂
Yes, she does seem to have a rather high-powered perception of herself these personality styles do not like To be called out. What bothers me is that the house was not considered part of a crime scene (would you accept the people inside claiming Mr. O’Keefe never came in that house? I would not under these circumstances.
@brynn
So cops hurt another cop who is liked by the community and throw him in the garden in the snow. Unbelievable.
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip Not a revelation, especially if they're trying to protect someone else and or because not all police officers like one another just because they share the same career discipline 👈
@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip Maybe you should follow the trial. 🤦
She sure did 100%, She will be charge later
I called the phone company this morning explaining that all 345 calls on my bill this month were all Butt Dials and that I shouldn't be held accountable for that bill.
345 butt dials???? Yeah right?!!! 😮😮😮
LOL😂😂
Her slow blinking = trying to control her nervous system/anger/anxiety.
Her “Absolutely Nots” = blatant lies.
She knows….oh, she knows.
Something has been really bothering me. Jenn McCabe seemed oddly obsessed with John O'Keefe arriving at the house to the point where she was up and down going to the window and texting. Odd behaviour for a married woman for one thing, but apparently John never arrived so why did she suddenly just stop showing any concern about his whereabouts or arrival?
I can only hope Karen’s lawyers sees this statement/question. Fingers crossed
.....hum a married woman!!! I 💬 she had a crushhhhhhhh
@cherylreid
She was probably concerned because the driver Read had been drinking all night.
@@anastaiber952 I don't think she had a crush. I think that the texts were sent as a cover because Brian planned to beat john up. Maybe because Colin was in trouble with the law and John was the one who charged him
Really great point!!! Isn't it also a bit odd that after they found John that she never checked in to see how Karen was doing or to collaborate the story with Karen as she did with carrie?🧐
Wow! This lady is NOT helping. She is as sketchy as the cops are. Disgraceful
This woman is a monster
Now imagine being on the jury and listening to this. If I was the commonwealth, I would be furious at these witnesses if she is guilty because their behavior alone is tanking this case. We have all dealt with liars and no one likes being lied to or people who nitpick every single thing.
A hot monster.
No reasonable person would say a car missing 75% of the glass was just cracked. Her saying things like this just makes her seem like a hateful liar
I’ve never seen a witness besides Amber Heard act like this. Why is the judge letting her talk so much when a simple yes or no answer should be given.
She sure hates Karen Read
Or just really loves herself.
She's in it for her.
@@JenniferMoleskior both
I agree, keeps giving her the evil eye between answers. But why?
@@notthatronjohnson1186Maybe bc Karen took her along for the ride all the while screaming at them and yelling “I hit him, did I hit him?” In turn, when they discovered the body of her friend, he’s dead. And Karen was the last person with John …
Seems like they all do. It shows the bias.
She needs to be charged with contemt with her arrogant counter replies
These lawyers are good, and the defensiveness alone makes me wonder.. but, I can’t help but think, what if Karen didn’t have money?
What if this happened to someone who didn’t have the ability to pay attorney fees?
An innocent person would no doubt be taking the fall..
This isn’t justice.
It's exactly what they've done to countless others a million times in places like Canton. The McAlberts, the DA, the judge, the Canton & State Police are used to framing innocent people and getting away with it. Who's got the money to hire someone like Alan Jackson and fly him in from LA to fight their endless corruption? If the factual circumstances documenting their criminal conspiracy weren't so compelling, and the media attention so widespread, they'd go through the motions and simply walk away again. They didn't anticipate and weren't prepared for such a well prepared legal defense, and it has really taken them by surprise for the first time in their lives.
Welcome to the two-tiered justice system.
She’s very hostile…. I wonder why she’s so defensive?!?
Because the defense atty as an ahole.
Calling johns phone for an alibi of looking for him, or calling the phone that john lost while being killed?, so they can put his phone outside with him.
This woman is jealous of Karen and clearly lying about her. She is jalous of her her intelligence, money, status and more.
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I agree
I absolutely agree! I've said this long ago. She complains about being harassed and she acts just like a mean girl that hasn't martured since high school!
There must be other witnesses with a better memory and hopefully were designated drivers. Obviously she had been drinking.
She isn't very smart.
I am shocked this woman is so dry and lacks of empathy for Karen and her arrogant attitude is pouring out of her pores, she is angry and really not a nice vibe at all, which usually denotes guilt and untruthful circumstances. Whatever happened that night, if it was her husband in the snow, she would have gone ballistic, and her attitude towards a woman screaming for help, screaming for her partner’s sleeping away from life and in shock is nasty, really awful people around Karen, whether she was framed or not, it’s clear there is no good sentiment at any levels.
I agree.
This attorney is sharp!
She wants to be so hard in controll. But here in the cross examination, she lost almost all of the controll. Wonderful to watch. Its a very good defense lawyer.
The vicious harassment we’re all reviving “ . The stop covering up for a murder and trying to blame an innocent women . Your life is not more valuable than Hers!
If she couldn't get hold of John, why didn't she call Karen?
She didn't have Karen's. Karen had Johns niece call her.
@@DebraLuttrell-qx2il That's odd since they were "friends".
I 💬 this lady had a crush on J
If their goal was to testify and stop the harassment, they did themselves zero favors. I wouldn’t trust this girl to mow my lawn.
What really happened to the dog? My stepdad used to be retired Detective Sergeant and no way would he stay inside the house with a deceased officer on his front lawn. That’s not rational…
I think the dog wasn’t there by morning and his daughter took her . Even the most mild dogs will react and I assume they didn’t close their doors because they had a dog .
Nope. That is someone who doesn't want to be seen on bodycam cause they probably have injuries or are terrible liars.
it's not rational either that the police did not inquire when the house if anybody heard anything, and why they never entered that home under subpoena
The owner rehomed it
Evil woman!
She is unreal. You can see she feels above this. She can’t answer questions because she has to think about which story she is talking about.
It DOES look really really bad and IF she had nothing to do with anything and isn’t lieing I hope she reads every comment about herself so she can see how rude she appears and disrespectful to the court, for what reason?! Can you imagine being married to her or working with her 😮🙄🤦🏼♀️😭 I could NEVER. I don’t know if Karen ran him over or not but as her being someone from inside the house if I was on the jury I would be side eying her so hard her name could be “reasonable doubt” for Karen 💯🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ She seems like a rude, condescending, b word. Also if they saw John get there why didn’t they go look outside when he stopped texting, he could have simply been dropped off and so dr’nk he didn’t make it inside so when the plow came around it could have gotten him, they say it’s the biggest plow the town has, why wouldn’t they just go outside since he wasn’t answering but they knew he was just there and knew he had been drinking most of the ppl there were police they should have known to at the very least check to make sure he wasn’t passed out dr+nk outside in the snow 💯🙄🤦🏼♀️ Poor John he may never get justice but I definitely pray that no one is wrongly convicted and if anyone actually did this I hope they are sentenced.
She’s scared to answer any question without asking to look at a transcript to refresh her memory!!! She’s clearly lying through her missing teeth
💯
The truth doesn’t have to be “refreshed” Jennifer. The conversation flows well when you just tell the truth.
12 statements and never once stated what she's trying to say now.
She just reeks of lies and cover up..they all do
If I were on this jury, her behavior would disgust me. Heck, most all of the prosecutions witnesses are all disgusting and obviously lying by being difficult about simply giving facts they already testified to 🙄
The truth is never difficult to remember, but lies are always hard to keep track of.
"Tell him the guy never went in the house" wow!!! Reasonable Doubt.
Her way of just throwing everything she can karens way is a sign of a guilty person trying to point the finger to save her own butt shes too obvious
She needs to save her butt to dial 😅
If I’m on this jury , not liking her answers.
If I’m on the jury SHE is Karen Reads “reasonable doubt” and bc of this woman Karen walks 💯🙄it’s sufferable.
Karen is innocent 💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
So what do you know? You were there?
Karen is innocent 💯💯💯💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Im still witholding judgement on if i believe karen is innocent or not....but Bev seems to get quite disgruntled when the defense starts making good points...and Jen would have been much more believable as a person if she could just admit she didnt know something or remember. Instead, she skirted nearly EVERY SINGLE question as if she was fishing to see where it was going and seemwd to fix her narrative answers to fit his questions as they came along. It doesnt matter anymore if she really isnt lying...she gave the jury a hefty bit of reasonable doubt with her actions here.
Bev? Another friend of the deceased?
I agree. And what’s very interesting and relative to this, the lead investigators text messages to his friends will turn out to be vile gossip about Karen originating from Jen, passed to Proctors sister (Courtney) over 67 phone calls in less than 8 months, then communicated to Proctor in his daily calls to his sister!
She needs to be charged with perjury!
Obviously!!!
Jen is a liar!!!
No, your princess Karen Read is a LIAR.. And a murderer.
She's not a Jen, she's 100% a Jennifer lol. Jen's are better than this.
Jen swallowed a tooth!
Jen says theres nothing evil here lol.. Yeah right Jen 😠
Wow, her testimony is very inconsistent.
Is it or is someone asking her questions to confuse her timeline? The defense is doing this to make her testimony scattered and to discredit everything she said, wrote or testified to mean as she is hiding real credible information. That is the job of an attorney to ask questions to make a picture that possibly does not exist if he trying to illustrate reasonable doubt. Have you ever been on a stand as a witness? It's like walking through airport security. Yeah, you have nothing to hide but someone your anxious. If it were me & I bet you, if I were telling the truth and someone was calling me a liar in a room full of people & across the nation in this case, somehow a big happy smile is not on my face. An attorney twisting facts would confuse anyone and testimony gets confused. BTW, I am not saying KR is guilty either. I am just saying that this probably a normal reaction that happens every day in courtrooms.
@@dennisdonoghue9202I can see that. Everything is a trap in the enemies house.
With that being said there was a lot of simple questions she ran from. A lot of answering questions no one asked. A lot of inconsistencies she can't button up.
how in the world do the cops find or somebody find a body on the front lawn of a house and the police do not check with the owners of that property if that person is related to or has any connection to anybody in that house and further and investigation of that propertysomething is sure fishy
They did. But it was SO obvious that Karen Read drunkenly ran over O Keefe that the investigation turned to her and not the innocent witnesses.
An entire radius of that property “should have been considered a crime scene” Anyone who has worked a time crime scene would have done that unless…..????????
Pretty easy when the people inside are all cops and the lead detective is a close friend of the family.
This is so dirty.
@@jeffhampton7405 That is very true & it all makes for a convoluted narrative leading to doubt & questionable intent. I'm hoping at some point actual evidence will be submitted in order to determine facts instead of what seems to be a tail of deception⁉️
@@jeffhampton7405 Observing from the sidelines I have to say 👉 there are so many convoluted stories, the more you hear the more doubt is created & too many questions w/o answers. Most of all the lack of convincing evidence but instead a poorly constructed tale that weaves a web of fabrications 👈👈👈👈
she is an arrogant liar .......can not answer a question without contemplating an answer just like her husband
Were you there? These people have been constantly harassed in doing their children. Wouldn’t you be defensive when it comes to your family. I sure as heck would be. She’s not in trial. The murderer girlfriend is!
@@doreen1128 yes...protective of her sisters family and the hidden truth that she is also privy to. has nothing to do with being harassed
Bird's of a feather! 😕🐢
I do believe they were all harassed. Is TurtleBoy out of jail yet? Go look at his charges.
She’s way smarter than her husband. He’s a real dumb ass. I’d be snarky too if I had to talk to him everyday!!
She’s very strange, she gets agitated very easily with this lawyer..he’s asking straight forward questions, don’t know what her problem is.
Problem is she knows exactly what happened.
Her problem is she's a textbook narcissist.
Imagine being harassed for 2 years.
@@debkb7imagine being framed for 2 years?.
Imagine being dead for 2 years
This woman is not very bright.
Alan Jackson is 👑
One of Boston's best Lawyers
Aw she’s confused now really only when it’s convenient she remembers
Right! She has amazing memory when it helps her but then has to editorialize and add all this nonsense to her response of a YES OR NO question. She also should stop acting like social media is an actual person or place. If she wants the online issue to stop all she has to do is STOP GOING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. Her uppity'ness is so cringe.
How do you burst into a house in the dark and no reaction from the dog?
Lifelong GSD owner here. My dogs will start barking when someone approaches the driveway, including every member of my family and even me. There are delivery people who’ve left packages on my driveway because they didn’t want to come near my house.
Her daughter took the dog. Put them on the stand again. You’ll see.
@@3mt696I agree!
Right
@A-privilege-not.a-right My dogs would have come unglued with all that commotion on the front lawn. No one will ever convince me that the dog was in the house the morning John was found. Dogs ears are much more sensitive to sound than ours. Where was Chloe?
Why is it soooooo hard for her to answer a fucking question
Because she's lying! Snaggletooth has an attitude.
Exactly! Thank you for saying this.
Not Cloe the dog attacked him..she did...look at those kanine teeth when she's angry!!!!
That woman looks like she has rabies when she speaks.
OMGosh, she is a shapeshifter!
Has anyone asked if there was a full moon that night?
There was a point she leaned forward and it scared the hell out of me, I wish I had the timestamp! It was scary!
It HAS to be exhausting living a lie. Pray for all involved
I want to see how many people will be charged with perjury after this ! Esp Jenn
With perjury and murder
@@James-pq5tm yes 👍🏻 !!
2:21:00 she says when Brian Albert came over before Trooper Proctor he was up in her bedroom? Why the F was he up in her bedroom? That's not a place to just hangout in a house for somebody... I wish counsel would have asked why he was up there... She's such a bad liar
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I thought the same thing!!!
So he could listen in.
I would talk about the case every day if it happened at my house?!
And that's what evil looks like
I agree. The anger just oozes off of her.
No one should ever be harassed, but her attitude is not helping the prosecutor at all. We will never know the truth.
She has no problem remembering the parts she wants to remember. And she also has no problem repeating over and over how horrible this has been for herself and her family but doesn't seem to remember that John is dead and he and Karen both also have families but doesn't concerned at all about what they have been going through. The Massachusetts government should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen in their court system.
You could see tire tracks but not the body of a large man on the front lawn. Anyone from the northeast knows how bright it gets at night during snow storms
Exactly!!! Wow glad someone said it
She testifies just like Amber Heard!
I hate to say this but it’s worse much worse 💯🤦🏼♀️😭 And that was hard to say 😂
I was thinking the same thing
I do believe that’s called “an uncooperative witness. 😂
She’s such an ego manipulator, she even argues with her own statements to twist it into something that fits her narrative at the time! I’m hoping the jury sees through it!
No one is home here. Or she is just playing it that way. Not sure. But if your going to lie you better have a good memory. If you have nothing to hide why be so testy?
Only a liar needs to see what they have said before so they can stick to that story. Just tell him what you remember without having to be reminded of your own story
And if theres a record she basically demands to see every single one 🤦🏼♀️🙄 I can’t stand this and I absolutely love watching trials but she has been one of the worst most disrespectful rude witness I’ve ever seen 💯🤦🏼♀️🙄
It's very strange unless she drinks and can't remember all her statements.
She’s scared to answer any question without asking to look at a transcript to refresh her memory!!! She’s clearly lying through her missing teeth
This entire case doesn't pass the smell test.
I’m just getting to Jenn’s testimony so no one will probably see my thoughts but I noticed whenever a witness gets flustered or in Jenn’s case starts to lose it the judge calls for break I call bull crap on that! She talks so sweetly to her and is rude tthe defense, if the jury doesn’t come back in 45 minutes or less with a not guilty verdict then something is wrong
She's very cocky! Not a good look for her.
I’m thinking John’s phone was ,on silent ,turned down or on vibrate and thats why he didn’t answer her text messa8es saying “where are you ? He didn’t answer her until he got there and said “here” And that’s the reason she called his phone 8 times in 19 minutes after they murdered him cuz they couldn’t find/hear his phone !Butt dail my ass
Also… who’s her dentist? Acme Construction?
You mean Destruction ?
Omg LOLOLOL
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nominated for most hilarious comment EVER!
😂😂😂
She was the cook at D&E Pizzeria, but she could never remember the ingredients.
😂😂😂😂
She HATES Karen Read! She is SO JEALOUS of Karen Read! She hates her because Karen is YOUNGER, MUCH BETTER LOOKING, SMARTER, UNENCUMBERED, MEN LIKE KAREN MORE THAN THEY DO HER, KAREN HAS GREAT STYLE, AND KAREN IS JUST 100% MORE OF EVERTHING!!! INCLUDING BEING A NICER PERSON.😅
The defense attorney is doing a great job!!!!
Also…this lawyer is damn good. He’s blowing through all their BS
This lawyer is fire!
I don’t know how he does it id go ahead and give up my law license, most disrespectful witness I’ve ever seen!
This woman is unbelievable. This entire case is a prime example of a “good ole boys” club. How they sleep at night is beyond me.
She is impossible!!! The judge should step in yes or no!!!
the judge is just as dirty as all the cops
Why would anyone ever have to inform someone that John never came in the house if he didn't?
Exactly.
😂
Exactly. That says everything.
She’s a little nuts, no reason to be hostile, not a good look
She is so hostile!