I think it is hypocritical they are upset over her possibly driving while intoxicated when every cop associated with these people habitually does this same thing.
Ya they admitted it during the trial and he left his gun and badge in the cruiser he was so drunk the night b4. Plus they were ALL DRUNK DRIVING that night.
Beyond reasonable doubt isn’t a 100% certainty test. I think the defence was just good at creating smoke screens are hyping up irrelevancies (everyone with a phone fitness app knows it takes time to update steps if the app isn’t directly open on the screen). I’d vote guilty.
My first comment on a RUclips video! I was in an accident. I asked how the other driver was and was told they were unconscious. I freaked out and started crying saying, “if they die, it’s my fault, I didn’t see them.” It wasn’t until the other driver’s hearing I found out that they were driving 80 in a 25, drunk, unlicensed, being chased by highway patrol due to running two other cars off the road, no lights on at dusk, and never touched their brakes as they hit me. I think in a panic, some people just start blaming themselves.
I'm the same way and it's created problems for me with people who naturally don't trust others and who world never admit they feel guilty over anything.
24 years in a squad car, and I have to say I have never seen cops so unprofessional in my life . Things have sure changed since I pulled the pin in 1993. There has to be a Not Guilty here, the case is such a horrid mess of unprofessional acts by LEOs and the DA.
Thank you for serving and protecting! Such a selfless career. Anyone with any sense knows this bunch certainly isn’t an example of the good men/women who protect our communities!💙 Agree, not guilty.
Remember the other court set up jury couldn't see witnesses who knows what they got away with. Who agrees Albert's and karen macabre shouldn't be ther witness intimdation
I think Karen was laughing at the irony of the judge saying “I was tired/ I am tired.” because she (Karen) probably didn’t sleep at all last night and likely won’t until verdict day. My heart breaks for Karen. She doesn’t know if a group of 12 strangers will determine if she rightfully goes free or is locked up for the rest of her natural life for a crime she didn’t commit. The fact that it is taking this long is infuriating. She is factually innocent!!!
It looked to me like the look you give someone you had a conversation with when what you discussed happening is confirmed. A "see, just what we expected!"
We’ll that’s your opinion - I would vote guilty. I have no doubt personally. I’m not buying the made up conspiracy theory. You can’t just tell me a story and think I’ll believe it. Who else is charged with anything here? Believe the evidence. She did it. Hopefully the jury gets it right - guilty of manslaughter and leaving the scene.
These lawyers are fighting for this woman's life, and the judge is over there talking about being "too tired" to make a ruling on something so important to the defense. 🤨 She either has no self-awareness, or she simply doesn't care if she sends an innocent person to prison without their guilt being proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
This is a great point. Along the same lines, how dare she admonish the defendant for some nervous laughter as she's fighting to keep her freedom. It's just another day at work for the judge (tired or not - shoot, I work tired all the damn time) but it's the rest of Karen's life at stake. That "excuse me, Miss Read, you think that's funny?" was so immature!
I'm maybe repeating myself but what's funny is that the Judge asked the District Attorney to back her up and he didn't. She essentially told the out of state defense attorney "That's how we do it in Massachusetts, right Mr. DA?" and he essentially said "NOPE". Karen is right, that's hysterical!
If she said she would consider it, then never told the defense lawyers, at least, that she decided not to change it, and sent it in with the jurors, she's playing dirty! Her excuse, that she was "tired", fell flat with me, because everyone is tired, and this is a woman's freedom at stake! Did she let the prosecutors know? Did she call someone for advice, like Procter? LOL. Her attitude today is terrible! She's acting like Merchan, who dressed down a defense witness for "staring at him"! Was she trying to outdo Merchan? Aunt Bev is getting testy!
@@barbaramay1866 She gets paid the big bucks, "I was tired" is a BS play, who gets to say they didn't do a job duty bc they were "tired"? Talk to me about those physical blue collar employees I'd have more empathy
@@hnraj9441 I don't know anybody. It looks to me like this entire free Karen Read campaign has poisoned people's minds. That turtle and Karen Reid worked together with countless, secret, encrypted communications. FACT. In fact, she might be charged with witness intimidation or tampering just like the reptile was for harassing families and friends of witnesses, and even showing up at a child's sporting event. There is no way these good, law abiding families would have done such a thing, any more than YOU would kill your friend in a most brutal way for no reason and then blame another friend and their entire family of framing you and covering up your crime. Like they would all stick to the script and no one would have a conscience and report It to authorities? This is what they want you to believe. Oh, and their pet dog suddenly became an attack dog and they said "go bite him Chloe." Think about her story. It is insane to think that would happen anywhere, ever.
I actually agree with the defense, about the box checking. Because if I’m filling out paperwork and I don’t check a box, I’m always looking for the opposite box to check. If i leave it with no boxes checked, I feel I haven’t completed the form. It’s a psychological thing- we feel like we need to check the box if there’s boxes to check. As a juror, I would rather see a guilty/not guilty box. It’s like forms at the doctor’s office. There’s “I DO give my permission” or “I do NOT give permission”. There’s a box to check either way.
A police officer not coming out of his house when another officer is injured or dying on his front lawn is someone who is hiding something. And he knew because Jen ran into the house. Dog was already gone. No way that dog would have let her just run into the house all the way into the bedroom without barking. She heard no bark saw no dog. RIP Chloe.
@@minnie5608 was engaged to a CT State Trooper we also had a Shepard. NO WAY HE DIDN’T SEE AND HEAR COMMOTION OUTSIDE AND THE DOG WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING NUTS!
To be completely fair, the common wealths case was insanely horrible. It didn't take much to poke holes in the "witnesses" testimonies... I mean the reconstruction "expert" was horrible and then we got that Jen lady who was interesting, then proctor trooper... I think most people would look amazing going against these goons
Undoubtedly. He came up with a whole theory to distract, and the CW failed to prove their case. She will go free. Good thing she has lots of money to pay for these kind of attorneys.
As a retired paralegal of many years, I have to agree with that assessment! It's pretty bad when he out-lawyers the judge and prosecutor at every turn, and bar room bare-knucles classy while he's doing it
She absolutely was and that is the very reason it is so inappropriate that she has the audacity to call out Karen Read especially to embarrass her intentionally infront of all the people who are there blatantly against her who probably are the guilty parties
She was not but even if she was, it’s her courtroom. A defendant laughing at a judge should be grateful she wasn’t held in contempt. The entitlement on that woman is at Karen levels.
The judge finding Karen's expression offensive is ridiculous. John's mother spent the trial laughing, gesticulating and pulling faces. His brother spent 10 weeks glaring threateningly at Karen. Then we have the judge, who every time a good looking male witness arrived, grinned at them with her chin on her hand like a lovesick schoolgirl. She made the trial drag on through lack of full working weeks and I would have believed it was just scheduling but then one day she just announced they'd be leaving early because (paraphrasing) the weather was nice. She's had to "sleep on" a number of things. Saying things like "I'm tired" to someone with multiple serious illnesses is likely to make them laugh. "It's how it's done in Massachusetts" is the entire problem. It's why John is dead, it's why Karen was blamed and it's why the real culprits will never be prosecuted. Bev's little corner of Massachusetts might want to start working differently to how they have in the past. To be clear I'm not insulting the people of Massachusetts or the people of Canton, just the legal system there.
This trial was a clown show. Anything other than not guilty on ALL COUNTS would be a travesty. The prosecutions cade is that a collision happened at 2:30am more or less, but her car's rear light was essentially intact at 6:30am. End of!
That’s not what I see in the police car video. It looks exactly the way it did in the port. Cops hasn’t even gone beat her car yet. More lies from the defence. Guilty.
Sheer physics shows that the car didn't hit his body: 1. No lower body injuries - or car drives in air? 2. Bite marks? or car bites? 3. Went 30 feet through air. or has a throwing crane? 4. Body was not there on snow before 6 a.m. Or was invisible man. 5. Arm has only scratches for 7000 lb car at 24 mph? or he's the bionic man?
@@stevenprice6957 It would help if you watched all of the evidence, then you'd know the video was altered. For reasons that couldn't be explained they mirrored it so right is left, and thats how the cops thought they could trick the jury into thinking that they didn't tamper with the car. Every hour is amatur hour at the Canton PD.
@@stevenprice6957 uuuuh. Did you even watch the case at all? Did you tune out the experts that are more expert by 1000x than the troopas on the prosecution side? You're so prejudiced it's gross.
To me this case boils down to 3 unbiased witnesses. Snow plow driver and the 2 engineers hired by the FBI. Lucky says he saw nothing after 2 passes and noticed a ford edge by the body at 3:30. And both engineers said the vehicle didn’t hit okeefe.
She did it because she knew it would be an issue for a probable successful appeal. No judge wants a reversal from the Appellate Courts on their record! And it's such a simple fix for Christ's sake!! Just add the dang NG box! Out-lawyered again by AJ! Sucks when the lawyer is so much smarter that the judge and Judge Bev knows it!
Part and Parcel here is Massive-Two-Shits. Another example of the culrure here: 2017 AG Healy release an AWB enforement notice, and on the FAQ page on their own government website they said: "If you are an LEO, you retain your existing RIGHT to assault weapons." They put it out their, plain as day, self admitting such laws deprive citizens of RIGHTS, amd create a 2 tiered justice system. The establishment here has always been "Fuck you, I got mine"
Interesting to see Brian Albert's facial expressions while Jackson was giving his summary. His diverting eyes, difficulty swallowing, and anxious movements, clarified any questions I might have about the conspiracy corruption. Sad that they have sucked the O'Keefe family in to their little web while out-casting Karen who was grieving after an overwhelming morning being played by Jenn McCade and finding John and dealing with a Section 12 hospitalization.
We don’t know if she laughed or smiled. But I thought that was out of line. Who is she to dictate what emotions the defendant may experience. I’ve never seen a defendant treated so poorly.
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom.
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom
@@hollykeller1545 I've been knocked off a bike by a car and hit the road at about 5mph and I had terrible bruising along half my entire body. It's a no-brainer. I'm thinking there must be a family supporter in the jury.
@@TheGdav0202 It's important to keep in mind that a jury doesn't get to repeatedly watch all of their favorite lawtubers reviewing and breaking down the cases - often rewinding to rehear various bits of testimony, legal arguments, etc. - on a daily basis throughout the trial like we do. Until closing arguments are finished, they get what they hear in real-time with limited breaks and no opportunity to go over the what they heard and saw in any kind of detail (save perhaps for any notes they've taken) between each day's testimony. A few days of deliberation - especially for a trial this long, and for something as serious as potential homicide - is hardly unreasonable or unusual.
@@VenathTehN3RD you are absolutely right. I think we are all just nervous about the prospect of an innocent person ending up in jail because of corruption and bias. It's terrifying because most of us wouldn't have the resources to fight this hard. I think it has everyone who has watched this trial on edge and impatient.
I had to stop watching this trial because the judge made me angry so many times. Luckily, I can tune in here to get a recap. Thanks for what you do, Peter.
Still confusing! If no juror believes John O'Keefe was killed by the vehicle, then it should be NOT GUILTY and whether she was intoxicated or how much has nothing to do with it, since he was not killed by the car. Are they allowing her to be charged with a DUI even if they believe John was not killed by the vehicle? This is what it's about either he was killed by vehicle or some other way. This judge has put a stain on MA and the judicial system.
Peter, totally agree with you on reason for question. At least one jury is asking “why” was the “evidence” not found at time of initial search of lawn⁉️
Her tendency to leave things to the last min, & seemingly, not make ANY decisions... to just leave them in limine puts a larger imposition on the defense... it's screwed up that the forms aren't throughly prepared & finalized by the FAY PRIOR. If she needs to put off the jury instructions for a day, that's what needs to happen so the lawyers can work out the instructions. COME ON!! Shes unorganized & ridiculously confused & confusing, unnecessarily! Bev... this isn't ur calling. Get back to lawyering. Ppl- VOTE HER & DA OUT!
Completely agree. AJ is fighting for his client. On such a high profile case surely she can see the reason for making the form absolutely clear. This is just lazy. Why is she over complicating this when she couldn’t be bothered changing it in the first place?
Let's not forget, this state turned a 5 year old innocent child over to another state because of the blasé attitude like this judge has and now we're looking for a body of an innocent child. Her attitude is offensive to this future potential juror.
Oh my goodness, which case is that? The cases of children falling through the cracks of the system anger me more than I can say, especially after a friend of mine was harassed for 6 mos by DCFS because her babysitter’s toddler threw a sippy cup at her toddler daughter and a small bruise at her eye prompted daycare to call (not saying the daycare was not wrong to call, don’t get me wrong). So they investigated, and the babysitter confirmed it happened in her care, what the incident was. But because my friend was a single mom and working long hours to support herself and her child, that caseworker was an absolute terror. My friend was a single mom because her partner died of a vehicle accident before she knew she was pregnant. His family never helped or wanted anything to do with his child, and her family was very much “float on your own,” too. She is an amazing mom, but I’m not kidding when I say that caseworker was a terror. Used the long work hours to keep the case open, made scheduling visits difficult, hounded her on length of mini blinds and other small bs. Mini blinds put in by the landlord. She kept her apartment immaculate, and did everything right as a mom. And yet the children that really need help, like Harmony Montgomery, fall through the cracks because the caseworkers are “overloaded.” Maybe if they wouldn’t harass families that are investigated and found to be clear of issues, they wouldn’t be so overworked 😡
@@notnow7973look up a pie cast called The Case, it has everything you need to know. Lots of the same cops involved. I live in Stoughton and it was a very sad situation. Pregnant by a married cop at the time of her death. (Allegedly)
I felt the same way! Karen, was like unbelievable and sometimes when you want to cry you nervously laugh instead! Im shocked that theres not a NG verdict by now! I guess they are going to go through all evidence! I THOUGHT since they know it wasn’t a car accident that They would unanimously come through w an not guilty verdict! Im praying that we get an NG asap!🙏♥️
I agree with superchat E- I would be more confused now that Bev is reading it again. Too many words. Processing all this information is crazy! Plain meaning, lol!! My brain my brain! Overload!
When the jury went from 9 women 6 men to 6/6 split it worried me. Only a women can understand when we get angry and ignored we yell or cry we don't run people over.
AJ is a terrific pro. The judge answered essentially, “this is how we always do it.” How we always do it is not the same as the best we can do… she’s totally outclassed.
The closing argument was spot on. That could be YOU! Don’t look the other way. People were also making comments about her expressions when proctor was up and she was making facial expressions. I feel like she was “c’mon Proctor explain yourself” look. She was treated and degraded by the very same people that are there to serve and protect. I hope she is fairly just in this trial. I also hope that the BPD and other police departments ensure that we rid of the big headed officers of the law who use their position to treat citizens as if they are beneath them. We have them there to serve and protect us. We should also give grace to the good to those who risk their lives on a daily to protect the citizens. Get rid of the garbage. Start screening them out and clean house.
@@theghostofrethsich2813 Spoken like someone who hasn't bothered to speak to or ask anyone on the ground in their communities working on prison reforms or even abolition. There are a lot of people with a lot of ideas about how to change the system for the better. The issue is that all of them involve dismantling the prison industrial complex as it exists and the profits involved and fascists don't let you know implement policy that remove their power or their capital peacefully.
I feel very emotional about case. I lost faith in Canton police already but if they say she is guilty , I am going to be so upset. Over 90 percent of people watching the case think Nancy is innocent. If she is blamed for John’s death , cops like Proctor will continue to get away with covering up crimes.
I worry about a hung jury because there are some people who, no matter what, will never believe law enforcement would ever lie about such serious things
I worry about it too but the CW has already wasted MILLIONS on this trial. I cant imagine they would retry her. The community would go wild. I hope she gets a NG but I will take a hung jury over the lesser charges that put her in prison for 5+years.
@jeanwinders9556. If the defense wanted each lesser included to have a separate not guilty option, then he should have submitted the typed up verdict form. Do not rely on the State to do your work.
@@Faretheewell608 you do realize that jury verdict forms can be written in a ridiculous amount of different formats/versions, right? And that they are written by both prosecutor AND defense atty., going back and forth until they are satisfied or the judge orders it written a certain way. However, it's the juries that have to understand them and most are not schooled in legal verbage. If she were to be found guilty there is a fairly good chance of reversal on appeal if proven that the jury form(s) confused the jury. No judge wants reversal on their record. That is the real hidden reason for her change of mind, IMO.
Apparently the jury is asking for the SERT report. So even the jury is like, “can we have more evidence please” and they were informed that they have all of the evidence. Oh dear.
They want the SERT Report because there is no f-ing way those guys would have missed the evidence that was "found" later. Blizzard or not, if it was there, they would have found it.
As an American citizen, the behavior by this judge ( this AM) was not only disrespectful, but unbecoming of ANY officer of our courts. Glad she "somehow" changed her tone and demeanor, by afternoon.
I agree! She was tired yesterday and apparently didn't want to be bothered and take the time to review it. After Aj addressing it, she took careful consideration and thought of her disrespectful additude, and the fact the decision to move forward with the form while blatantly ignoring and disregarding Counsels request and apparently not letting Counsel even review prior to giving to jurors. Clearly she back peddled....
Getting an almost sure thing reversal by the Appellate Courts can have that effect on a judge! No judge wants that on their record! And it's such a simple fix! Just add the dang NG box! Keep it simple for the jury to follow and understand.
Thank you for breaking this down for me. I watched live and listened in. As someone who learns visually,all of those words the judge was reading in the instructions yesterday and today was going over my head. It's definitely confusing. Manslaughter should be NG as well if they can't even prove her car hit him. This whole thing is ridiculous!
Good. Despite the cult trying to influence deliberations with their little uniforms and placards, this jury is independent minded and knows she’s guilty of at least some of the lesser charges.
@@jakestroll6518 the science doesnt care about your feelings. certainly shouldnt influence law. none of these ppl are saints, id steer clear of definitively saying anything until the FBI is done. what we do know is that in closing lally couldnt give us a timeline of her hitting him because it never made sense.
Eeeeveryone in this case is apparently corrupt according to you guys. Amazing dozens of morally challenged people have managed to not betray each other. Not even while drunk. Not even while crazy people hound them and their kids. Amazing🙄
@@jakestroll6518 you're kidding right? They know what's on the line if they flip or if they make a mistake. That's a huge incentive to keep their lips zipped. And yet, someone talked because word around town is the real incident got to the high school network and they know Karen didn't kill JOK.
@@yankeecitygirl 😂 Please take a moment to go learn Game Theory and then try say tha with a straight face. The reason there is no honor among thieves is because someone is bound to make the calculation that telling first gets him off and that the odds are that with a certain so large, someone is bound o tell. It’s a race to the finish line. It’s also hilarious that you think this motley crew of alcoholic cops would be brilliant secret keepers. They can’t even smartly dispose of a body in the dead of winter despite all the experience between them ffs😂
I am so glad Jackson fought for that change. I can’t believe they submitted that to the jury and THEN called it out as a problem. That was a HUGE problem with a very simple, quick solution. This is how a simple thing lazy people disregard can cost innocent people their life.
I think I would have been held in Contempt of Court if I was the Defendant and Had the Most Biased Lazy Judge sighing and telling the court “SHE was TIRED and didn’t bother to tell the attorneys she made no changes to the verdict form
Since the judge just picked a man to be the foreman with out a clue of his abilities or leadership skills…then she makes the verdict form more complicated so that jurors could easily make a mistake. Guess what that is par for the course in Massachusetts!
I never liked it when the judge picked the foreman. I believe it should be up to the jury panel to select their own foreman once they determine who has the best leadership skills. You are correct.
I found ur channel during the Karen reed trial. I absolutely love that you watched it like a jury would!! I will be watching all your videos now, ur awesome!! 🤣 ps the crazy hair is great!!
She "considered it" because she didn't want it to be an appellate issue and then take a big risk of getting reversed on appeal. No judge wants that on their jacket! That's the real reason that she agreed to change it even if she didn't say so.
The idea that EVERYONE that doesn’t fit your theory is corrupt is cult logic. If the jury find her guilty, it isn’t that they are corrupt, it’s that they have reasonable certainty that she did it.
I've thought Karen's smirks are all about the corruption in Canton, the Canton PD, the State Police, the investigation, the court proceedings - all of it.
I agree with you Peter ,What I am having trouble with is the prosecution did not show that the injuries on John OKeefe were even possible with a MV vs a pedestrian
Obvious improvement. Right? Clarity helps the jury. What reason other than “we’ve always done it this way,” could be for refusing this SIMPLE improvement???
I agree! I hope the FBI takes a look at her too! She's been bias towards the defense from Day 1! Her rulings thru out the trial has been pro prosecution. She clearly has an agenda! She's a Horrible judge! I don't care for her 1 bit! I've seen good judges, decent judges, bad judges but this 1 is at the bottom of the list.
@@ecstaticyogini @margaretbogaerts7820 I SECOND THIS. Particularly this judge! Her behavior has been appalling. HORRIBLE. I pray that Massachusetts has some kind of sanctions in place to remove and severely reprimand this sad, embarrassing example of a "Judge." "I was TIRED." ????? WHAT?! How is this even real??
While defense counsel is supposed to advocate for their client, prosecutors are to seek the TRUTH. This prosecutor & the elected DA he works for should face consequences from the State Bar for utterly failing to do so.
All these lesser included seems so unfair. The prosecution should have to figure out what they think they have in their case and prove it or not or maybe one variation of it but this literally seems like throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks.
I'm a retired paralegal and have worked in practically every field of law in my career. I was asked once what kind of person I would want on my jury. I replied I would want someone who would stand on their convictions and not be swayed if they felt they were correct. And that can go either way depending on which side of the equation you're on. Sometimes it's in your favor, sometimes not.
Re-watch crew...I love nothing more that when Peter says, "Man, this is interesting". Seems like we have seen many crazy things through the cases we have watched together. Thank you for your unbiased narrative Peter always.
I think it is hypocritical they are upset over her possibly driving while intoxicated when every cop associated with these people habitually does this same thing.
Exactly!!
Ya they admitted it during the trial and he left his gun and badge in the cruiser he was so drunk the night b4. Plus they were ALL DRUNK DRIVING that night.
Super Trooper Proctor drunk driving in his cruiser 😅
@@Lolabear00that was just the night BEFORE::????
There’s a difference when you incapacitate someone then leave them to die. Don’t you think ? 🙄
I cannot believe there is anyone who thinks the prosecution made their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
No doubt she’s a killer.
Beyond reasonable doubt isn’t a 100% certainty test. I think the defence was just good at creating smoke screens are hyping up irrelevancies (everyone with a phone fitness app knows it takes time to update steps if the app isn’t directly open on the screen). I’d vote guilty.
Just curious even with the unbiased accident reconstruction guys saying he couldnt have been hit with a vehicle?
@jakestroll6518 It’s beyond a reasonable doubt AND with moral certainty in Massachusetts. So it’s a bit higher than just beyond reasonable doubt
@@lindseystein9676and there’s another case of a pregnant girl being murdered in the same jurisdiction??
My first comment on a RUclips video! I was in an accident. I asked how the other driver was and was told they were unconscious. I freaked out and started crying saying, “if they die, it’s my fault, I didn’t see them.” It wasn’t until the other driver’s hearing I found out that they were driving 80 in a 25, drunk, unlicensed, being chased by highway patrol due to running two other cars off the road, no lights on at dusk, and never touched their brakes as they hit me. I think in a panic, some people just start blaming themselves.
Women especially I think
I'm the same way and it's created problems for me with people who naturally don't trust others and who world never admit they feel guilty over anything.
So you all just deny the laws of physics which say that he was NOT hit by the Lexus? Unreal.
Was KR saying “I hit him?” Not “I hit him!”
I think your mind just naturally starts going through the possibilities until you have a chance to process what happened.
24 years in a squad car, and I have to say I have never seen cops so unprofessional in my life . Things have sure changed since I pulled the pin in 1993. There has to be a Not Guilty here, the case is such a horrid mess of unprofessional acts by LEOs and the DA.
Valuable input, I’m no cop but I totally agree with everything you said
I completely agree. I would actually be terrified if I knew proctor was a detective in my community.
Thank you for serving and protecting! Such a selfless career. Anyone with any sense knows this bunch certainly isn’t an example of the good men/women who protect our communities!💙 Agree, not guilty.
Every former cop or da who has come out and said things like this helps me clinge to a sliver of faith in our system. Thank you.
Yes it is…horrible mess…but does that mean she wasn’t responsible in some way? This was a fellow officer who was one their own!
If I am a juror, I want a box that says "not guilty" by every charge.
Thats exactly how it should be..
I'd like to read and tick a verdict form with no spelling errors
Exactly
When a person in a position of authority reprimands a defendant for laughing, and then proceeds to laugh herself..
ABSOLUTELY!
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Undressing Dr. Wolf with her eyes,having herself a sexual fantasy on the bench was pretty funny🤣🤣🤣
She's making causes for appeal easy to put forth.
All those drunk cops and only she’s getting charged for a DUI 😅 this case makes me dizzy…
Is this a DUI case?
@@BlueDauntlessit's a lesser charge involved. The world's most expensive DUI case 😂
Without any evidence for a dui 😂
7 shots later....
She was never shown drinking 7 shots. The video showed seltzers and some shots that they counted all as shots.
I also wonder how many times this department has gotten away with blaming someone else that didn’t have the means to hire defense attorneys 🤷♀️
It's REALLY scary
Excellent question! Have a horrible feeling this ain’t their first rodeo! Very frightening indeed!
Its the Boston pd. Just behind NYC, LA and Chicago cops when it comes to corruption.
@@grngooseputter this was supposed to be pinned on Lucky, but it didn't snow enough before Karen found him
Remember the other court set up jury couldn't see witnesses who knows what they got away with. Who agrees Albert's and karen macabre shouldn't be ther witness intimdation
Let's not forget, Kevin Albert got so drunk he misplaced his badge and gun while out drinking and driving in Proctors MA State Police cruiser.
Yet he faces no charges. Corruption at it finest. F*** CPD
He's not on trial
Let’s not forget Kevin Albert is not on trial !
How was he drinking and driving without driving
Exactly! They act like they're so against drunk driving but so many LEOs admitted in trial that they drink and drive regularly.
Perfect example of an attorney who is smarter than the judge
Agree, I think this judge is intimidated by Jackson hence she treats him so disrespectfully.
Jackson is clearly more intelligent than EVEEYONE in the court...but I think Aunt Bev has become complacent and now the whole world knows it!
She's guilty. Just because she's a women and not a Man doing this. She hit him.
@@Jack-bc5xgI defer to the experts and they say otherwise.
@@citrusbloom7504agree
Not having a not guilty option feels like it inferred that the only option is guilty.
YES!!! EXACTLY!!!!!
So how has Massachusetts managed to have not thousands but millions of guilty verdicts over the centuries?
YES! Agreed! Of course it does. Common sense tells us that. But once again common sense left Canton a long time ago.
Agree 100%
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she asked KR is she thought it was funny? I'm speechless this judge is extremely unprofessional
Unprofessional? It was rudeness on Karen’s part among a slew of other things. How dare KAREN DO THAT IN COURT.
@@j.c.7555after the judge refused to do her own job and got nasty with the defense wanting clarity for the jurors.
@@j.c.7555 How dare Karen do what? Send a knowing look to a family member? When the judge herself had just laughed at her lawyer. Really?
Funny..I'm thinking KR shows no respect here. I think KR is completely inappropriate.
@@j.c.7555The judge is in her place of work..Should not be so difficult to maintain professionalism..Sniping at Karen Read was cringe worthy..
BEV NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED THE BIAS IS DISGUSTING
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She is being challenged by the defence in another case she is judging now. 😊
People can fill our complaints for judicial misconduct...
I hope the FBI also takes a look into her! She's Horrid
Can i do this from 🏴😁 @@videos-li5ys
I think Karen was laughing at the irony of the judge saying “I was tired/ I am tired.” because she (Karen) probably didn’t sleep at all last night and likely won’t until verdict day. My heart breaks for Karen. She doesn’t know if a group of 12 strangers will determine if she rightfully goes free or is locked up for the rest of her natural life for a crime she didn’t commit.
The fact that it is taking this long is infuriating. She is factually innocent!!!
100% agree I feel like if it were me I would chuckle too at how asinine the whole situation has been
It looked to me like the look you give someone you had a conversation with when what you discussed happening is confirmed. A "see, just what we expected!"
She ran over him, obviously. Probably not on purpose, but SHE DID!! We all know she did.
Agreed it was a bit harsh to call her out. Shows there is some spite from the Judge
We’ll that’s your opinion - I would vote guilty. I have no doubt personally. I’m not buying the made up conspiracy theory. You can’t just tell me a story and think I’ll believe it. Who else is charged with anything here? Believe the evidence. She did it. Hopefully the jury gets it right - guilty of manslaughter and leaving the scene.
These lawyers are fighting for this woman's life, and the judge is over there talking about being "too tired" to make a ruling on something so important to the defense. 🤨
She either has no self-awareness, or she simply doesn't care if she sends an innocent person to prison without their guilt being proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
This is a great point. Along the same lines, how dare she admonish the defendant for some nervous laughter as she's fighting to keep her freedom. It's just another day at work for the judge (tired or not - shoot, I work tired all the damn time) but it's the rest of Karen's life at stake. That "excuse me, Miss Read, you think that's funny?" was so immature!
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Don't call her judge !! Its Aunt.Bev !!
It’s nice to see how excited Peter gets when he correctly anticipates the conclusions!
Yes! Wish all lawyers were as into their job
@@JojoCharliagree. Few and far between
I'm maybe repeating myself but what's funny is that the Judge asked the District Attorney to back her up and he didn't. She essentially told the out of state defense attorney "That's how we do it in Massachusetts, right Mr. DA?" and he essentially said "NOPE". Karen is right, that's hysterical!
She didn't ask the DA, she asked Yanneti, who is Karen Reads defense co-council with Alan Jackson and Liza Little
If she said she would consider it, then never told the defense lawyers, at least, that she decided not to change it, and sent it in with the jurors, she's playing dirty! Her excuse, that she was "tired", fell flat with me, because everyone is tired, and this is a woman's freedom at stake! Did she let the prosecutors know? Did she call someone for advice, like Procter? LOL. Her attitude today is terrible!
She's acting like Merchan, who dressed down a defense witness for "staring at him"! Was she trying to outdo Merchan? Aunt Bev is getting testy!
You people are so cruel to so many really good people.
@@barbaramay1866 She gets paid the big bucks, "I was tired" is a BS play, who gets to say they didn't do a job duty bc they were "tired"? Talk to me about those physical blue collar employees I'd have more empathy
Agree - being tired.
@@barbaramay1866 so you do know some of these people and that's why you refuse to see what's in front of your eyes.
Well that makes sense at least.
@@hnraj9441 I don't know anybody. It looks to me like this entire free Karen Read campaign has poisoned people's minds. That turtle and Karen Reid worked together with countless, secret, encrypted communications. FACT.
In fact, she might be charged with witness intimidation or tampering just like the reptile was for harassing families and friends of witnesses, and even showing up at a child's sporting event. There is no way these good, law abiding families would have done such a thing, any more than YOU would kill your friend in a most brutal way for no reason and then blame another friend and their entire family of framing you and covering up your crime. Like they would all stick to the script and no one would have a conscience and report It to authorities? This is what they want you to believe. Oh, and their pet dog suddenly became an attack dog and they said "go bite him Chloe." Think about her story. It is insane to think that would happen anywhere, ever.
I actually agree with the defense, about the box checking. Because if I’m filling out paperwork and I don’t check a box, I’m always looking for the opposite box to check. If i leave it with no boxes checked, I feel I haven’t completed the form. It’s a psychological thing- we feel like we need to check the box if there’s boxes to check.
As a juror, I would rather see a guilty/not guilty box.
It’s like forms at the doctor’s office. There’s “I DO give my permission” or
“I do NOT give permission”. There’s a box to check either way.
A police officer not coming out of his house when another officer is injured or dying on his front lawn is someone who is hiding something. And he knew because Jen ran into the house. Dog was already gone. No way that dog would have let her just run into the house all the way into the bedroom without barking. She heard no bark saw no dog. RIP Chloe.
Agree😢
@@minnie5608 was engaged to a CT State Trooper we also had a Shepard. NO WAY HE DIDN’T SEE AND HEAR COMMOTION OUTSIDE AND THE DOG WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING NUTS!
I am sooo glad he stood up to her. He doesn’t have to be nice anymore!
As a lay person he is one of the best criminal attorneys I’ve ever seen
To be completely fair, the common wealths case was insanely horrible. It didn't take much to poke holes in the "witnesses" testimonies... I mean the reconstruction "expert" was horrible and then we got that Jen lady who was interesting, then proctor trooper... I think most people would look amazing going against these goons
He was also a great prosecutor! The man is just an all around great lawyer!
Undoubtedly. He came up with a whole theory to distract, and the CW failed to prove their case. She will go free. Good thing she has lots of money to pay for these kind of attorneys.
As a retired paralegal of many years, I have to agree with that assessment! It's pretty bad when he out-lawyers the judge and prosecutor at every turn, and bar room bare-knucles classy while he's doing it
That judge Bev must have gotten a call from the higher ups to fix that form asap! She ate dirt and changed her tune
Good
The judge herself was laughing while asking Yanetti about the verdict slip.
She absolutely was and that is the very reason it is so inappropriate that she has the audacity to call out Karen Read especially to embarrass her intentionally infront of all the people who are there blatantly against her who probably are the guilty parties
This whole thing has been a sh*tshow.
@@LilTex0825 a flaming sh!tshow
She was not but even if she was, it’s her courtroom. A defendant laughing at a judge should be grateful she wasn’t held in contempt. The entitlement on that woman is at Karen levels.
@@jakestroll6518what are you even talking about?!? Entitlement…you are part of the problem!
If you google Mass Jury forms you will find several examples where there is a yes/no or guilty/not guilty for each charge.
The judge finding Karen's expression offensive is ridiculous. John's mother spent the trial laughing, gesticulating and pulling faces. His brother spent 10 weeks glaring threateningly at Karen. Then we have the judge, who every time a good looking male witness arrived, grinned at them with her chin on her hand like a lovesick schoolgirl. She made the trial drag on through lack of full working weeks and I would have believed it was just scheduling but then one day she just announced they'd be leaving early because (paraphrasing) the weather was nice. She's had to "sleep on" a number of things. Saying things like "I'm tired" to someone with multiple serious illnesses is likely to make them laugh.
"It's how it's done in Massachusetts" is the entire problem. It's why John is dead, it's why Karen was blamed and it's why the real culprits will never be prosecuted. Bev's little corner of Massachusetts might want to start working differently to how they have in the past. To be clear I'm not insulting the people of Massachusetts or the people of Canton, just the legal system there.
It’s how things remain or even become corrupt. No oversight from the outside. Or, perhaps that’s bad too.
Well said!!❤
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They are not on trial, she is.
This trial was a clown show. Anything other than not guilty on ALL COUNTS would be a travesty.
The prosecutions cade is that a collision happened at 2:30am more or less, but her car's rear light was essentially intact at 6:30am.
End of!
That’s not what I see in the police car video. It looks exactly the way it did in the port. Cops hasn’t even gone beat her car yet. More lies from the defence. Guilty.
Sheer physics shows that the car didn't hit his body: 1. No lower body injuries - or car drives in air? 2. Bite marks? or car bites? 3. Went 30 feet through air. or has a throwing crane? 4. Body was not there on snow before 6 a.m. Or was invisible man. 5. Arm has only scratches for 7000 lb car at 24 mph? or he's the bionic man?
@@stevenprice6957 It would help if you watched all of the evidence, then you'd know the video was altered. For reasons that couldn't be explained they mirrored it so right is left, and thats how the cops thought they could trick the jury into thinking that they didn't tamper with the car. Every hour is amatur hour at the Canton PD.
@@stevenprice6957 uuuuh. Did you even watch the case at all?
Did you tune out the experts that are more expert by 1000x than the troopas on the prosecution side?
You're so prejudiced it's gross.
Where's my comment??
To me this case boils down to 3 unbiased witnesses. Snow plow driver and the 2 engineers hired by the FBI. Lucky says he saw nothing after 2 passes and noticed a ford edge by the body at 3:30. And both engineers said the vehicle didn’t hit okeefe.
There should be a box for not guilty and guilty. SIMPLE
Judge has tried to rig this against Karen from day 1! Most Bias judge I've ever seen!
Hopefully Jacksons words “look the other way” resonates a revolt & the jurors create their own Not Guilty tick box on the form.
Um…..why? Massachusetts has used the exact same jury verdict form for literally decades and it’s been just fine.
Yeah I’m worried about double jeopardy with a hung jury
@@TequilaMockingBird91but Yanetti who is a Massachusetts attorney says he has NEVER seen that. But sure, keep ignoring all facts.
I respect & praise AJ for bringing his concerns to the Judge, & the Judge for logically reconsidering the requests for Ammending the Jury slip! 😊 ❤ 🎉
She did it because she knew it would be an issue for a probable successful appeal. No judge wants a reversal from the Appellate Courts on their record! And it's such a simple fix for Christ's sake!! Just add the dang NG box! Out-lawyered again by AJ! Sucks when the lawyer is so much smarter that the judge and Judge Bev knows it!
As someone who has NEVER sat as a juror, not giving the CLEAR OPTION for Not Guilty would confuse me. And the Judge knows it!!!!
This judge continues to seem very biased, imho.
Not “seem,” she is biased!
The judge IS very biased. Countless people have made comments about that for days.
@@drypoj I know. I've followed the case...and her antics.
Can this level of corruption really happen?
It’s scary to say the least!
First time?
There's Whitey Bulger in their state/area, he wouldn't be tolerated here.
Part and Parcel here is Massive-Two-Shits. Another example of the culrure here: 2017 AG Healy release an AWB enforement notice, and on the FAQ page on their own government website they said: "If you are an LEO, you retain your existing RIGHT to assault weapons."
They put it out their, plain as day, self admitting such laws deprive citizens of RIGHTS, amd create a 2 tiered justice system. The establishment here has always been "Fuck you, I got mine"
Absolutely. Some people prefer to not believe it though.
Absolutely. And unfortunately, it does happen more than we know.
If Auntie Bev was being accused of a felony... she would be upset there isn't a not guilty box... im glad Jackson isn't taking this shit lying down
I LOVE MR.JACKSON!!!! HE'S PHENOMENAL !!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
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Interesting to see Brian Albert's facial expressions while Jackson was giving his summary. His diverting eyes, difficulty swallowing, and anxious movements, clarified any questions I might have about the conspiracy corruption. Sad that they have sucked the O'Keefe family in to their little web while out-casting Karen who was grieving after an overwhelming morning being played by Jenn McCade and finding John and dealing with a Section 12 hospitalization.
Makes me happy when Peter is so delighted with the legal shananigans that keep popping up in this case!😊
Judge laughs through the whole thing. Then Karen laughs and it’s OVER
There were several CW “witnesses” that sarcastically laughed while testifying and it was so rude but Judge Bev didn’t reprimand any of them.
We don’t know if she laughed or smiled. But I thought that was out of line. Who is she to dictate what emotions the defendant may experience. I’ve never seen a defendant treated so poorly.
Judge isn't on trial for murder.
no evidence, no report, not guilty
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom.
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom
I agree. I really think judges should tell jurors they can each use a notebook to notate anything they want in it BECAUSE they will NOT be able to receive a transcript of witness testimony during deliberations. I don't think many jurors know this and it would be especially helpful knowing ahead of time when it's expected to be a long trial. Jurors will end up misremembering testimony and disagree with each other during deliberations over what was said by whom
How many experts does it take to convince a bunch of people from Massachusetts that a person being hit by a car travelling at 27 mph will bruise?
He’d have a huge bruise!
@@hollykeller1545 I've been knocked off a bike by a car and hit the road at about 5mph and I had terrible bruising along half my entire body. It's a no-brainer. I'm thinking there must be a family supporter in the jury.
@@TheGdav0202 It's important to keep in mind that a jury doesn't get to repeatedly watch all of their favorite lawtubers reviewing and breaking down the cases - often rewinding to rehear various bits of testimony, legal arguments, etc. - on a daily basis throughout the trial like we do. Until closing arguments are finished, they get what they hear in real-time with limited breaks and no opportunity to go over the what they heard and saw in any kind of detail (save perhaps for any notes they've taken) between each day's testimony.
A few days of deliberation - especially for a trial this long, and for something as serious as potential homicide - is hardly unreasonable or unusual.
@@VenathTehN3RD you are absolutely right. I think we are all just nervous about the prospect of an innocent person ending up in jail because of corruption and bias. It's terrifying because most of us wouldn't have the resources to fight this hard.
I think it has everyone who has watched this trial on edge and impatient.
The head injury slowed his heart rate. The weather was freezing reducing blood flow. Hence no bruising. Factor in conditions.
I had to stop watching this trial because the judge made me angry so many times. Luckily, I can tune in here to get a recap. Thanks for what you do, Peter.
This is crazy. They will have like a hundred grounds for appeal.
No doubt. And we can hang a lot of Hope on an Appeal if the verdict is not what we expect.
Nah they'll have zero because this is not guilty
More than 100, I believe.. As judge Bev was tired and bothered the whole trial!! She is an utter disgrace!
Still confusing! If no juror believes John O'Keefe was killed by the vehicle, then it should be NOT GUILTY and whether she was intoxicated or how much has nothing to do with it, since he was not killed by the car. Are they allowing her to be charged with a DUI even if they believe John was not killed by the vehicle? This is what it's about either he was killed by vehicle or some other way. This judge has put a stain on MA and the judicial system.
Agree and its crazy to think in 2024 they can't create a simple easy to understand form in a trial.
Agreed, let's hope the Jury see it that way
If he wasn't hit by a car, the cover up doesn't even matter.
true, as presented.
Yes it does! What happened to him? Why was she framed?
Peter, totally agree with you on reason for question. At least one jury is asking “why” was the “evidence” not found at time of initial search of lawn⁉️
I hope the FEDS are investigating the whole system. It’s obvious this judge is not impartial.
I'd smirk to if the judge said I was tired so I would do it later. Your tired! My clients LIFE is on the line here.😊
Exactly…what a narcissistic comment from the Judge. Unacceptable. This is your JOB.
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Her tendency to leave things to the last min, & seemingly, not make ANY decisions... to just leave them in limine puts a larger imposition on the defense... it's screwed up that the forms aren't throughly prepared & finalized by the FAY PRIOR. If she needs to put off the jury instructions for a day, that's what needs to happen so the lawyers can work out the instructions. COME ON!! Shes unorganized & ridiculously confused & confusing, unnecessarily! Bev... this isn't ur calling. Get back to lawyering. Ppl- VOTE HER & DA OUT!
But in the same breath, limits the defense attorneys from asking questions on cross because "time" management 🙄 This judge is a joke.
Bev is Appointed!
Completely agree. AJ is fighting for his client. On such a high profile case surely she can see the reason for making the form absolutely clear. This is just lazy. Why is she over complicating this when she couldn’t be bothered changing it in the first place?
@@athenaf8278 she is appointed until the age of 70 years, or beyond
@@RambleOn. I heard today she wasn’t going to be doing criminal trials anymore but kept this one before the move to civil
Let's not forget, this state turned a 5 year old innocent child over to another state because of the blasé attitude like this judge has and now we're looking for a body of an innocent child. Her attitude is offensive to this future potential juror.
Oh my goodness, which case is that? The cases of children falling through the cracks of the system anger me more than I can say, especially after a friend of mine was harassed for 6 mos by DCFS because her babysitter’s toddler threw a sippy cup at her toddler daughter and a small bruise at her eye prompted daycare to call (not saying the daycare was not wrong to call, don’t get me wrong). So they investigated, and the babysitter confirmed it happened in her care, what the incident was. But because my friend was a single mom and working long hours to support herself and her child, that caseworker was an absolute terror. My friend was a single mom because her partner died of a vehicle accident before she knew she was pregnant. His family never helped or wanted anything to do with his child, and her family was very much “float on your own,” too. She is an amazing mom, but I’m not kidding when I say that caseworker was a terror. Used the long work hours to keep the case open, made scheduling visits difficult, hounded her on length of mini blinds and other small bs. Mini blinds put in by the landlord. She kept her apartment immaculate, and did everything right as a mom. And yet the children that really need help, like Harmony Montgomery, fall through the cracks because the caseworkers are “overloaded.” Maybe if they wouldn’t harass families that are investigated and found to be clear of issues, they wouldn’t be so overworked 😡
@@shkrjam84 look up Harmony Montgomery. They're still searching for her body and MA revamped their family court supposedly with Harmony's Law.
@@auntieree yes that case I’m aware of, didn’t know if there was another big MA case I missed.
Sandra Birchmore case starts Monday. Stoughton MA - she was found in her home in Canton MA.
Will you cover it? Please😃
Really? Is someone charged with her murder?
@@notnow7973look up a pie cast called The Case, it has everything you need to know. Lots of the same cops involved. I live in Stoughton and it was a very sad situation. Pregnant by a married cop at the time of her death. (Allegedly)
** POD cast
@@notnow7973another dirty cop
I feel Karen laughed when the judge said "she would not change the form " because Karen probably thought that's typical McCabe behavior.
Which caused the judge to be a bit too sensitive about that!
I felt the same way! Karen, was like unbelievable and sometimes when you want to cry you nervously laugh instead! Im shocked that theres not a NG verdict by now! I guess they are going to go through all evidence! I THOUGHT since they know it wasn’t a car accident that
They would unanimously come through w an not guilty verdict! Im praying that we get an NG asap!🙏♥️
I agree with superchat E- I would be more confused now that Bev is reading it again. Too many words. Processing all this information is crazy! Plain meaning, lol!! My brain my brain! Overload!
When the jury went from 9 women 6 men to 6/6 split it worried me. Only a women can understand when we get angry and ignored we yell or cry we don't run people over.
The judge does eventually change the form! What trickery is next
AJ is a terrific pro. The judge answered essentially, “this is how we always do it.” How we always do it is not the same as the best we can do… she’s totally outclassed.
The closing argument was spot on. That could be YOU! Don’t look the other way. People were also making comments about her expressions when proctor was up and she was making facial expressions. I feel like she was “c’mon Proctor explain yourself” look. She was treated and degraded by the very same people that are there to serve and protect. I hope she is fairly just in this trial. I also hope that the BPD and other police departments ensure that we rid of the big headed officers of the law who use their position to treat citizens as if they are beneath them. We have them there to serve and protect us. We should also give grace to the good to those who risk their lives on a daily to protect the citizens. Get rid of the garbage. Start screening them out and clean house.
They must have a 100% conviction rate with that one-sided form. Who made it? The state attorney? 😂
If a not guilty verdict is not returned, we may all just give up on the justice system
28% of Americans think the system is working the others have no idea how to come together and fix it .
Really?
@@theghostofrethsich2813 Spoken like someone who hasn't bothered to speak to or ask anyone on the ground in their communities working on prison reforms or even abolition. There are a lot of people with a lot of ideas about how to change the system for the better. The issue is that all of them involve dismantling the prison industrial complex as it exists and the profits involved and fascists don't let you know implement policy that remove their power or their capital peacefully.
I feel very emotional about case. I lost faith in Canton police already but if they say she is guilty , I am going to be so upset. Over 90 percent of people watching the case think Nancy is innocent. If she is blamed for John’s death , cops like Proctor will continue to get away with covering up crimes.
@@NeithHecateAddams that’s not my math. Go read “Americans Don't Want a Dictatorship, but They're Creating One Anyway” on reason and get back to me
I worry about a hung jury because there are some people who, no matter what, will never believe law enforcement would ever lie about such serious things
I worry bc Karen deleted the 2 ring videos of her and yelled I killed him I killed him 9 drinks MANSLAUGHTER
I worry about it too but the CW has already wasted MILLIONS on this trial. I cant imagine they would retry her. The community would go wild. I hope she gets a NG but I will take a hung jury over the lesser charges that put her in prison for 5+years.
This is the first comment I’ve seen of sort. From what was reported, those jurors weren’t having it!
@@KoolTshe didn’t.
@@LBDesignsIIVit’s crazy how they keep saying she deleted videos when the Cw’s own witnesses said she didn’t
AJ is amazing. His passion for justice is palpable!! ❤
3:45pm the jurors are gone for the day today !!!!!
Praying for JO’s family…especially his niece and nephew that have suffered so much loss in their young lives! 😢
Bev wants Karen to be guilty SO bad
The judge knows she’s guilty but the jury decides 😎
I 100% agree with you!
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The Judge wants her to be Guilty.
There should be a not guilty on each charge available
Welll thanks for your opinion
@jeanwinders9556. If the defense wanted each lesser included to have a separate not guilty option, then he should have submitted the typed up verdict form. Do not rely on the State to do your work.
@@Faretheewell608 you do realize that jury verdict forms can be written in a ridiculous amount of different formats/versions, right? And that they are written by both prosecutor AND defense atty., going back and forth until they are satisfied or the judge orders it written a certain way. However, it's the juries that have to understand them and most are not schooled in legal verbage. If she were to be found guilty there is a fairly good chance of reversal on appeal if proven that the jury form(s) confused the jury. No judge wants reversal on their record. That is the real hidden reason for her change of mind, IMO.
Why would anyone want to go to Massachusetts knowing how jacked up their justice system is?
I was thinking that today. I doubt they will have many tourists in the future.
A "That's the way we've always done it" attitude from the judge regarding the form. The greatest barrier to change and progress...
They prooved he was beaten to death, resulting in multiple skull fractures.
Apparently the jury is asking for the SERT report. So even the jury is like, “can we have more evidence please” and they were informed that they have all of the evidence. Oh dear.
They want the SERT Report because there is no f-ing way those guys would have missed the evidence that was "found" later. Blizzard or not, if it was there, they would have found it.
They each have their notes as well if they question their memory
WHAT A FANTASTIC ATTORNEY, fighting for his client.
He’s fighting that corrupt judge and he knows it.
The unfortunate thing for Karen, is that she comes across as very unlikeable.
Read’s lawyer questioned the form the day before and asked this judge to change it.
And he’s correct
As an American citizen, the behavior by this judge ( this AM) was not only disrespectful, but unbecoming of ANY officer of our courts. Glad she "somehow" changed her tone and demeanor, by afternoon.
I agree! She was tired yesterday and apparently didn't want to be bothered and take the time to review it. After Aj addressing it, she took careful consideration and thought of her disrespectful additude, and the fact the decision to move forward with the form while blatantly ignoring and disregarding Counsels request and apparently not letting Counsel even review prior to giving to jurors. Clearly she back peddled....
Maybe someone sent her a picture of crash daddy to make her feel better. Jk 😊
Getting an almost sure thing reversal by the Appellate Courts can have that effect on a judge! No judge wants that on their record! And it's such a simple fix! Just add the dang NG box! Keep it simple for the jury to follow and understand.
Thank you for breaking this down for me. I watched live and listened in. As someone who learns visually,all of those words the judge was reading in the instructions yesterday and today was going over my head. It's definitely confusing.
Manslaughter should be NG as well if they can't even prove her car hit him. This whole thing is ridiculous!
I honestly thought there would be a verdict by now.
Maybe we would have had they had an accurate/clear verdict form. 🙄
Yall just full of excuses...do you even know anything about the law and how things are done in Massachusetts law? @@kidsmom928
I am not. this case is complicated thanks to judge.
Good. Despite the cult trying to influence deliberations with their little uniforms and placards, this jury is independent minded and knows she’s guilty of at least some of the lesser charges.
@@jakestroll6518 the science doesnt care about your feelings. certainly shouldnt influence law. none of these ppl are saints, id steer clear of definitively saying anything until the FBI is done. what we do know is that in closing lally couldnt give us a timeline of her hitting him because it never made sense.
Bev is so condescending! I am not surprised AJ was losing his mind!
Agree with you but I think all of them are exhausted and losing their minds
I loved your passionate nerd out over Jackson’s remedy. It’s great that you love the law so much 🤓
She lied - the form was updated in 2013!!!! Its on their own site!!! Shady shit top to bottom in MA
Geeezzz the corruption just continues
From the defence
Eeeeveryone in this case is apparently corrupt according to you guys. Amazing dozens of morally challenged people have managed to not betray each other. Not even while drunk. Not even while crazy people hound them and their kids. Amazing🙄
@@jakestroll6518 you're kidding right?
They know what's on the line if they flip or if they make a mistake. That's a huge incentive to keep their lips zipped.
And yet, someone talked because word around town is the real incident got to the high school network and they know Karen didn't kill JOK.
@@yankeecitygirl 😂 Please take a moment to go learn Game Theory and then try say tha with a straight face. The reason there is no honor among thieves is because someone is bound to make the calculation that telling first gets him off and that the odds are that with a certain so large, someone is bound o tell. It’s a race to the finish line. It’s also hilarious that you think this motley crew of alcoholic cops would be brilliant secret keepers. They can’t even smartly dispose of a body in the dead of winter despite all the experience between them ffs😂
Anybody seeing the signaling from alberts
I am so glad Jackson fought for that change. I can’t believe they submitted that to the jury and THEN called it out as a problem. That was a HUGE problem with a very simple, quick solution. This is how a simple thing lazy people disregard can cost innocent people their life.
I think I would have been held in Contempt of Court if I was the Defendant and Had the Most Biased Lazy Judge sighing and telling the court “SHE was TIRED and didn’t bother to tell the attorneys she made no changes to the verdict form
Since the judge just picked a man to be the foreman with out a clue of his abilities or leadership skills…then she makes the verdict form more complicated so that jurors could easily make a mistake. Guess what that is par for the course in Massachusetts!
I never liked it when the judge picked the foreman. I believe it should be up to the jury panel to select their own foreman once they determine who has the best leadership skills. You are correct.
I found ur channel during the Karen reed trial. I absolutely love that you watched it like a jury would!! I will be watching all your videos now, ur awesome!! 🤣 ps the crazy hair is great!!
You have to laugh that the judge finally agreed to adjust the form after she went away and had a “think” and was too tired to consider it lol
She "considered it" because she didn't want it to be an appellate issue and then take a big risk of getting reversed on appeal. No judge wants that on their jacket! That's the real reason that she agreed to change it even if she didn't say so.
@@rhondathompson5082 she considered it because they got inundated with angry emails and she was made to consider it! She was arrogant AF.
I’d be surprised if she is found not guilty. Massachusetts is so corrupt it’s like a little Washington DC. I’m still praying for Karen
Certainly seems that way from an outsiders perspective
The idea that EVERYONE that doesn’t fit your theory is corrupt is cult logic. If the jury find her guilty, it isn’t that they are corrupt, it’s that they have reasonable certainty that she did it.
I've never prayed for a defendant before and I'm finding myself praying for Karen's fair justice.
@@HannahD353 the Alberts, Macabes …Kerri Roberts and even Colin came in and sat with the O’Keefe’s. The jury saw that. They’re all friends.
@@Brooke2000definitely ballsey!
The questions are all phrased implying Karen hit Officer O'Keefe with her car. She never hit him, drunk or not! 😮
I've thought Karen's smirks are all about the corruption in Canton, the Canton PD, the State Police, the investigation, the court proceedings - all of it.
I always took notes during jury duty….you can’t remember everything
The question and only question for the jury is: Did the CW PROVE their case. In MHO NO WAY. NOT GUILTY!
I agree with you Peter ,What I am having trouble with is the prosecution did not show that the injuries on John OKeefe were even possible with a MV vs a pedestrian
I don't understand how hard it would be for The Judge to just add "Not Guilty". It's like a 2 second change. ????
Hard for her ego
Obvious improvement. Right? Clarity helps the jury. What reason other than “we’ve always done it this way,” could be for refusing this SIMPLE improvement???
Thank you!
👏👏👏 thank you Peter for covering this! ⚖️
Thanks for doing what you do, Peter!
That prosecutor should be disbarred ! As for that judge she should loose her judgeship and be disbarred from practicing law !
I agree! I hope the FBI takes a look at her too! She's been bias towards the defense from Day 1! Her rulings thru out the trial has been pro prosecution. She clearly has an agenda! She's a Horrible judge! I don't care for her 1 bit! I've seen good judges, decent judges, bad judges but this 1 is at the bottom of the list.
AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY TO BOTH
@@ecstaticyogini @margaretbogaerts7820 I SECOND THIS. Particularly this judge! Her behavior has been appalling. HORRIBLE. I pray that Massachusetts has some kind of sanctions in place to remove and severely reprimand this sad, embarrassing example of a "Judge."
"I was TIRED." ????? WHAT?! How is this even real??
While defense counsel is supposed to advocate for their client, prosecutors are to seek the TRUTH. This prosecutor & the elected DA he works for should face consequences from the State Bar for utterly failing to do so.
Not guilty!!!!!
I’m newly subscribed as of the beginning of this trial. I think you’re doing a great job breaking everything down for us! Thank you!
"That's the way its always been done" is one of the worst reasons you can give for anything.
All these lesser included seems so unfair. The prosecution should have to figure out what they think they have in their case and prove it or not or maybe one variation of it but this literally seems like throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks.
ThankS for jumping on this right away. I was totally confused!!😊
Based on experts, not guilty
The fact that certain jurors were dismissed on the day they went to deliberate is suspicious AF
Jackson is right !
I’m imagining there’s one juror who won’t budge on guilty and everyone else is exasperated hoping they’ll give up the ghost
It wouldn’t surprise me if the McAlberts have a connection or made a connection to a jury member!!!
I'm a retired paralegal and have worked in practically every field of law in my career. I was asked once what kind of person I would want on my jury. I replied I would want someone who would stand on their convictions and not be swayed if they felt they were correct. And that can go either way depending on which side of the equation you're on. Sometimes it's in your favor, sometimes not.
Re-watch crew...I love nothing more that when Peter says, "Man, this is interesting". Seems like we have seen many crazy things through the cases we have watched together. Thank you for your unbiased narrative Peter always.
Inverted verdict slip
Thanks for Breaking it Down for us! ✌️💚