I knew Rocket seemed to good to be true. It's like 10$ a month, and they want to charge 35% of what they save me as a "Succesful negotiation fee" on anything I save money on. That would have been a 84 dollar charge to save me 20$ a month. No thanks. I'll call Comcast myself.
When it comes to convenience? Yeah. I totally get the appeal though. Maybe you have a new phone and your old one is still very capable so you want to turn it into a dedicated gaming device. Maybe you have a very slim case or already go ceaseless. Maybe, as Wulff said, you have a high end phone, like playing mobile games a lot and don't want a separate device. I'm with you though
@@DaiChurch I can't tell if you're for real or not. At best your suggestion is: "Change the way you are used to using your phone on a daily basis just so you can add a specific accessory that you might not use that often"
Yeah, have no idea why so very few games support controllers. If spending so much time and money developing in game, how hard could it possible be to add controller support? It's after all only a small number of software interfaces to deal with.
I took a phone I no longer use for calling and what not, bought a Gamesir G8 controller, setup a frontend on the device, and now it's a portable gaming handheld for when I go somewhere and I can just play a lot of games on the go without having to lug around some consoles and handhelds.
This. Old phone plus controller could make you "cheap" alternative for dedicated handheld. I have my old Xiaomi with SD845, decent amount of GC and PS2
Why some consoles and handhelds? Get somethin like the odin 2 and you have the same options as your phone. Some prefer the aestetic of real connected buttons and a 16:9
Probably should've mentioned that Game Pass and Geforce Now will also run just fine with your phone using these devices. In fact, the original Kishi had a version specifically branded with Xbox controller buttons so that it could be used with Game Pass. It works surprisingly well, too.
The Xbox branding is irrelevant any version will work with game pass The PlayStation branding is important because only that version will work with the native remote play app on the Play store
@@ShawnRaz87 Correct. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that he kind of ignored Game Pass and GeForce Now and how this kind of setup is actually a great to access those services.
@@Downhuman74because you can’t play the on the go unless you have extremely fast and unlimited mobile data. This video is more about taking it on the go and being lightweight, cloud gaming is so difficult even on hotel WiFi right now
@@josephmclord You can barely even stream RUclips on most hotel Wi-Fi...by design. They throttle bandwidth on purpose - especially if they have in-house on-demand services. No sense bringing that up. And not everyone is hopping hotels all the time. I'm able to use Game Pass and Geforce Now just fine at most of the places I regularly visit. It's a thing that works enough of the time to be mentioned, I think.
Back in 2018 or so 14 year old me played Mario kart 64 on my pixel on the plane with my Bluetooth controller and lemme tell you that was freaking amazing
How time flies. When I was 14-15 I played Skyrim on a stationary PC. Handheld gaming only existed on handheld consoles like the Nintendo DS Lite 😅 Born in '94.
There was a company that released a Joy-Con grip that can also hold a phone in landscape mode. It was designed for the Nintendo Switch Online app, which only began to support landscape mode within the last year.
once m-con is out, you'll be able to make your own xperia play with every phone you want, given the ability to attach some magsafe sticker to your case
You gotta try this on a folding phone. The inner screen has a 5:4 aspect and makes retro games look great. You can also play in split screen and have a video or guide open while playing. Been doing this for years on my galaxy fold 3, and am surprised i haven't seen anybody mention it.
I have a Chinese controller [BSP D9] that natively mimics the signal of PS, Xbox, and switch controllers. So, it's perfect for remote play. I recently got an Android phone [Redmagic 9 Pro] specifically for emulation with Dolphin and Yuzu. This setup allowed me to play Nintendo games for the first time, and it has been serving me great. I never take the Android phone or the mobile controller out of the house, so the bulkiness is not an issue for my use case. But in general, mobile [emu] gaming has never been better!
I got the D8 a while back and was genuinely blown away by how good it is. For sure, it does feel cheap but it works incredibly well. Hall effect joysticks and triggers in a device I paid like $18 on AliExpress is insane. I use the Gamesir G8 now, but I've been thinking of grabbing the new one they put out. The D10S with the cooling pad on the back. I almost got the D9 as well, but I personally couldn't get over how much it was trying to look like a dualsense. It felt a bit cheesy imo. Different strokes and all that, I guess. Still, BSP is absolutely killing it.
You didn't mention the PlayStation Phone, the Xperia Play that released way back in 2011. It had a slide out Gamepad built into the phone, and I have waited SO LONG for companies to attempt this again. Alas, none have bothered. It would be my ideal phone, and with modern streaming apps and good emulation, now would be the perfect time to release one. The slideout gamepad case has much potential and I can't wait to see where that goes from here.
It's not none have bothered, sony patented the slide out controls but never made another phone. The patent expires in 2025 (which is now this year!) So we might MIGHT see something soon
I got a Backbone. I used it. Then I got a Deck. I use it. Honestly, Sony had the phone gamepad experience figured out over a decade ago, with the Xperia Play. It was built into the phone, it was a bit thin in the hands, but it worked, and the form factor wasn't clunky. There is a little bit of that form factor making a reappearance now, you made mention of it, but I have yet to see a truly great slideout style controller. I don't even think it needs to slide out, just a clip controller that focuses on putting the controls beneath the phone instead of out to the sides would be a huge boon to what they can do in terms of portability.
I want my communication device to be separate from gaming device. When I have the few moments during the week to myself to play games, I want to make them dedicated to gaming and unplugged from the rest of the world.
I think the problem is that probably 99% of people who game on their device are casuals that don't care about controllers so there's not a ton of demand.
Other pluses of the Backbone is that the triggers are analog, the and you can plug a usb-c cable into the passthrough port and connect the other end into any device and it will work as a wired controller. So if you travel with other, larger devices, you can still use the same controller.
I think there’s actually a lot of promise in this market, it’s just still so new and expensive relative to what you get. If you’re spending $800-1000+ on a powerful phone with a nice screen, and mobile gaming has got a lot of attention and development, it only makes sense to utilize it! With that said, $150 is too much for the compromises you mentioned. It still needs the one thing 99% of phones don’t have which is active cooling. Accessories exist for that purpose, but it’s still a nascent category and has its compromises, chief among which for me is that you can’t use your own case to fit the controller. To justify the hassle and bulk of carrying it around, it needs to be compatible with phones that have a normal size range of cases, provide active cooling, and at an affordable or sensible price.
I think if you're getting into peripherals with active cooling or proprietary cases with heat pipes, etc. then you're trying too hard. IMO an Android handheld gaming device like a Retroid Pocket or Ayn Odin would be a better choice for most people because it's a dedicated device built with cooling in mind, has built in controls/grips, it separates the functions of gaming/phone stuff, and generally looks cleaner, more cohesive, wholistic in design than a phone + series of peripherals.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis there are gaming phones like redmagic with active cooling and it's own game launcher, to me the retroid is a waste of money when my phone can do what that can plus more.
It's not new at all, I bought an ipega controller in 2017, it's just that phone devs do not give a shit to add controller support, you will literally only use them with emulators, when I would also want to use it on Honkai Impact or something.
The market is well over 10 years old, chief issues have been software support (Android updates especially frequently break old software and hardware compatibility) and the fact that gaming drains your battery very quickly.
"It's not convenient to carry a whole gaming controller with you" I don't get that argument. Like you're most likely carrying your smartphone around with you at all times. It's not like you're going to leave your phone behind for the device you plan to game on. Meaning, you'll be carrying a secondary THING with you anyways. So why is this such a point of contention? That secondary device is going to be the same footprint or larger than a secondary auxiliary controller anyways so that initial point seems moot to me.
You don't. My g8 works with a case on my android phone and if your phone case is thicker you can remove a part that's just there for gripping the phone (which you don't need because the case is grippy) and it works with a case. Kishy is just a terrible value device compared to both gamesir g8 and gamesir x2s and literally no one should buy it.
I use the backbone for my Sunshine server on my PC and at 10 MB the connection is super solid. Playing Wind Waker HD on my phone with barely any noticable latency, I forget I'm even streaming it. Childhood dream-level shit. Even on a mobile connection if you're ok with a bit of crust, but on a 720p phone screen you're not missing much. Cloud gaming from your own PC is wayyyyy better than a major provider imo
It is absolutely convenient to have a mobile phone and a handheld console with you! Who tf wants their gaming interrupted by a text or a phone call? Nobody.
These are the reasons I like my backbone with a 15 pro: 1. Build quality issues with portable emulators (had an rg35xx and rp3+ become unusable). 2. Convenient to play games on my phone and then add a controller if I need (playing phoenix wright with touch controls then a controller for hades). 3. Light, going on a euro trip soon and a backbone controller is much lighter then a bigger emulator. 4. While I don’t use it often, having remote play for ps5 and steam is great. 5. In the future we’ll hopefully see GameCube, ps2 and more ports to ios.
GameCube and PS2 emulators won't be coming to the app store unfortunately, because they depend on dynamic recompilation to get any reasonable speed. The app store guidelines still specifically state that dynamic recompilation is against their terms, and that's mostly because it allows for viruses and malicious software to slip through their detection. If they allowed it, app developers could inject code that breaks all of Apple's other rules after the app had already been approved and downloaded onto people's phones.
@@pilot_aki it tries to get you to sign in every time you connect the controller. I got so annoyed I uninstalled the app but if you press the backbone button accidentally it tries to get you to reinstall.
I bought a 50$ phone with a snapdragon 845 and use it as a dedicated gaming device. phones are so plentiful and cheap im glad there are controllers for everything from heavy gaming ergonomics to pocketable phone controllers.
I feel like the reason you don't understand the market for that controller is because you HAVE all those other handhelds. Plenty of people have expensive and powerful phones because of carrier subsidies, but no gaming handhelds at all. In that case, it seems pretty easy to justify spending under $200 on an attachment for your phone instead of spending even more money on a handheld that will STILL be substantially less powerful than a modern top of the line smartphone. On top of that, if you're the kind of person who upgrades your phone every few years, you get to bring your controller along with you even more powerful device.
Interesting, the first half of those arguments are reasons I've seen for dedicated handhelds. Many people have cheap phones, especially younger people or they don't like smart phones or want to game without the phone temptation/interruption, and given solid emulation devices that do more than any phone under $500 are like, $150-200 let alone the more expensive ones, if you don't have a high end phone plan situation or sometimes even if you do, a cheaper android handheld makes more sense for many, or a mid range one even.
@@reptilez13 from my experience most young people have reasonably modern iPhones, or Samsung galaxies. They definitely sell huge volumes of them every year. Carrier plans make it pretty attractive for people, even if they really don't need the performance. For sure if you don't have a powerful phone and you don't feel that you want one then a dedicated handheld makes sense.
I'm using the gamesir g8 lately, it's honestly really good. I don't need to remove my case on my pixel 6, game streaming performance from my PC is fantastic with moonlight and sunshine (I played through a lot of elden ring on it), and it's cheaper than most options while being very comfortable.
I use a clip or bracket that attaches my XBOX controller with my phone. Works really well, especially after pairing it with Mantis Gamepad Pro to map my controller input with touch controls.
Two things that make the Razer Kishi Ultra my preference over a ROG Ally: 1. A Foldable Phone 2. Moonlight/Steam Link to remote into your gaming PC If you already have a gaming PC, and especially if you have a foldable android phone, the Kishi ultra is the device for you. I returned my ROG and now play on a larger screen and delay of around 10ms or less if I'm on the same local network as the gaming PC (I really don't travel much I just like playing handheld in bed) You should look more into remote gaming! It's much stronger than cloud gaming. The key is to remote into your own hardware
foldable phones (assuming you mean book-style like the Galaxy Z Fold and not clamshell-style like the Moto Razr) are ridiculously expensive and have a niche use case. with that much hardware investment, picking a peripheral for the expensive device you already own is kind of a no-brainer..
I ended up settling on playing games on my phone using an 8bitdo SN30 Pro while traveling. Small enough to toss in a carry on bag and not taking up a lot of space while also being a good controller input for games like Genshin etc when I'm away from my PC.
The problem with using your phone as a gaming device is that it's also the same device you use for making calls and getting important texts. So it's kind of hard to do both without worrying you might miss something important while you play.
flagship phones generally have gaming modes to block out those notifications unless you manually set something to bypass it and it often boosts performance toward games. i am not a fan of controller on phone for different reasons but i think your reasoning is flawed for many devices
@@KnowThyWeaknessHe's not saying there isn't a gaming mode option or anything equivalent, his statement is concerning the fact that if you have that mode on, you may miss important calls or messages because you're gaming on the same device used for people to communicate with you that aren't with you in person
@@belikezack Also running down the power on your one-and-only phone in the whole wide world that you use for communication across the whole planet is a less than ideal solution. For a hundred-ish more dollars you can buy a powerful Android powered handheld gaming device that can play just about anything, emulate just about everything, and if it runs out of power or you rage-smash it you can still make calls on your phone.
Was thinking of an iPad mini since it has pencil support to finally retire my old pro and gen 1 pencil. The fact that this controller can work with it might convince me to pull the trigger. When traveling a kishi v2 and my 15 pro max is pretty awesome
I would put up with any of the inconveniences you mentioned if it wasn't for one major problem that you seem to have overlooked: No powerful phones have expandable storage anymore. If one of these controller grips had a built in SD slot for storing roms I may not have bothered buying a Steam Deck
A phone with a controller and a Steamdeck aren't really comparable products, even if the prices overlap. They're similar but they're not really the same product class.
you can add a USB-C flash drive to the USB-C port.. some of them are incredibly small and don't stick out like you want to intentionally destroy your phone's/controller's USB-C port
As someone who previously said that "instead of buying retro handheld systems, just buy a controller for your phone because it is much more capable of emulating retro games, even ps2 levels", having bought an OG35XX changed my perspective. Having a dedicated retro handheld system is really convenient in a way that it is pocketable and can be fired up and play anytime anywhere. As an added bonus, no distractions from notifications if using phone.
Still got one at home, with custom rom and a bigger battery with modified back. Yes, batteries used to be easily removable even in weird phone form factors xD
Gyroscope aiming is underrated! takes like a day or two to get the hang off but when you do... it's almost on par if not, on par with mouse. You turn analog up full to turn faster and use the gryoscope for the actual aiming/shooting! it's awesome.. I started using it in Breath of Wild and now I use it on everything that supports it! it IS literally cheating
Once you get used with gyro you can't go back to aim on analog sticks. Gyro should be a standard native feature in games by now. Most people think it's just a Nintendo gimmick.
@@rasantefalso Even if it was a Nintendo gimmick, it's STILL better lmao. people a silly. There are people even use the right-hand joycon on PC because they prefer the gyro aim over mouse. I mean make hense, it's pretty the same but no friction, mouse needs a surface
here a solution. Remember those sliding phones? like the sony erikson. Could we go back to that. Phones are powerful enough they just need physical buttons built in.
I just backed MCON Controller on Kickstarter. Last time I used Kickstarter was when the OUYA dropped lmao. Hopefully the MCON works as well as it looks.
Controller on phones are pointless when 99% of developers refuses to add controller support. Around year 2010 there were a lot of games with controller support, and it went downhill after that.
@@lucasLSD I think i know why. Apple Arcade requires controller support. Android TV don't require it, but all games on Android TV supports controller. The only ones who ever pushed controller support on Android were Ouya and MOGA. Both companies have been gone for many years. They are probably the reasons why there were so many games with controller support around 2010.
This just isnt true. Apart from the fact that you can use emulators, most controller have touch mapping, which makes literally any game playable with it.
I’ve had the Kishi Ultra for a few days and paired it with my Lenovo Y700 2024 (import). It’s been an absolute monster - it basically becomes what you dreamed the PlayStation Portal would be
Same here. I got the Kishi Ultra to use with my iPhone 15 Pro Max, but I enjoy playing on my Steam Deck, Odin 2, PS Portal and a bunch of other 4:3 handhelds
I would've love to have a phone controller with an MMC slot. Some alleged gaming phones still come with 128-256 gb storage. If you wanna play switch games via emulation, HOYO games, wuthering waves and AAA ports, that storage will ran out quick Then a controller with installed cooling fan. These phones can get REALLY hot. Bonus will be a controller with a power bank installed. So you can you use to use the charge separation option of your phone
The first phone controller I got (Moga PowerA) does have a battery, but it's a standard Bluetooth controller that can clip the phone to the top. I find those top heavy, but it is handy as another Bluetooth controller.
Me. I specifically want to buy this as a gaming handheld for the iPad mini. I’ve been using a joycon adapter for it for years. Moonlight on the iPad mini is an incredible gaming experience and I recommend anyone give it a go. Definitely going to pick this up.
As someone who owns an ROG phone 5, I actually worked some bits of my DOBE controller to align with the 2nd usb c port. now I just slide my phone in and out like a switch, and its freaking amazing.
The answer is simple... I don't like to charge my phone every minute because the battery drains a lot during any extra work 😅 That's why I still use a handheld console (like 3ds, vita or even switch) to play my games (and ipod to listen my songs)
I think a stretchy button membrane sock or tube that could slip over the phone touch controls would be ideal. Takes up virtually no space, is pliable so wouldn’t break and makes use of the screen controls. I personally would want something that’s a step up from touch controls.
For me the Gamesir g8 is still the best. Its $80 Super comfortable grips. Full sized Hall effect joysticks with 3 extra caps of different size/shapes Hall effect analog triggers. 2 Programmable back buttons. Deticated home/options/and screenshot buttons Pass thru charging 3.5mm headphone jack 3 pairing modes: android/ios/and a PS remote play specific mode. Plus a key mapping program for non controller support games
I think he’s being sarcastic because so many people including myself will say “just use a controller with your phone” when seeing most of these Android handhelds, and if you already have a gaming pc unless you really crave the native pc handheld feel you could easily just stream your pc to you’re phone, which typically has a higher quality display, better controller options and more versatile. However I will admit my experience is that pc handhelds are better for those who either 1 aren’t typically pc gamers and just prefer controller from the get go but want to play pc games, and 2 those who highly value the offline and native pc aspects of pc handhelds.
The controller that eternal progression is making is really convenient. It's pocket-able and Magsafe compatible, it means, you don't have to remove your case. Just attach or detach on-the-go.
Hall Effect is not a buzzword like Ai it means that it will not drift some people are upset with the fact that normal controllers will eventually drift especially if you spend +100$ on a pro / ultra whatever controller ( i had a ps5 controller that started drifting immediately after the return window closed and that did upset me a lot ) and Hall Effect controllers do solve this problem and personally i will never buy a controller that doesnt have Hall Effect Analogs and Hall Effect Triggers no more headaches for me
Hall Effect doesn't mean it is immune to drift, just increases the likelihood that it won't occur. As mentioned in the video since all Hall Effect sticks are not made equal, low quality parts mean that they can drift just as easily as regular sticks.
@@voteDC no, i disagree first of all i want to clarify the difference between regular potentiometers and hall effect (also look it up yourself dont just trust me, there are plenty of videos or articles explaining this stuff) : potentiometers sensors are made of mainly two components a resistance and a metal contact that slides across it when drift occurs in this kind of sensors usually its because of this resistance being worn off by the metal wiper that digs into the resistance more and more grooving it every single time you move the analog ( i say usually because drift could also be caused by something else as a simple dust particle that gets stuck onto the resistance not allowing the metal wiper to make proper contact and not sending the electrical signal as intended, this problem can be solved imo easily with some isopropyl alcohol or compressed air) on the other hand we have hall effect sensors that are basically made of a magnet and a sensor reading the changes in the magnetic field caused by the rotation of the magnet theres no wear and tear of any component technically and we could say that hall effect sensors are virtually drift proof ( now i say technically there's no wear because the sensor and the magnet are not touching each other so there is no friction ruining the hall effect sensor so the spring responsible for recentering the analog becomes the only possible failing point and this spring is also inside the potentiometer analogs) to call hall effect a gimmick or a buzzword because of this centering spring (which i repeat is also inside potentiometer analogs) is nonsense to put this in perspective amongst the first controllers to have hall effect are from 1994 and they are still going strong as of now after 30 years in the meanwhile there are some brands that sell controllers nowadays that first of all are made with analogs that can be literally found on aliexpress for 0,50$ each, search for Alps Analogs which are considered the best potentiometers, and this is the price for normal people i cant even imagine how cheap big brands like Sony are getting them for and they get sold for ridiculous prices sometimes branded as PRO controllers and they drift immediately after the warranty ends and finally to tackle the not all hall effect are equal i agree with that in the literal sense but not in what most people imply when saying it (as in some are cheap and bad quality, i disagree with this ) , hall effect controllers are not as widely available the only brands that i know that produce hall effect are gulikit, gamesir, hypr and turtle beach ( if you know about other brands let me know ) and i never heard mass complaints from people for now they seem to produce high quality stuff on the contrary people are so enthusiastic about them that they have built some loyal fanbase because of this idea of not having to worry about drift forever you can find official discords forums and reddits where people can interact with the creators give feedbacks and ideas for future products and seems like they are listening so far and personally i love this kind of stuff i hope you liked reading all of this ;)
bro an ipad mini with some of the good apple arcade games, some really good n64 and gba games and some good app store games would probably be so sick with a kishi.
Try the BSP D3 controllers. They have a mobile specific mode that you can button map for games that dont offer controller support. It also has a PS4, Xbox and Nintendo SW pro controller mode that automatically works on emus and controller supported games. It doesnt need a key mapping app like Octopus and its cheaper than Razer Kishis, Backbones, etc...
All a controller needs is 2 analogs and 4 shoulder buttons, but the analogs under the phone and the triggers over it, the rest of the buttons can be mapped into the screen, for the "feeling" you can have a screen protector with some groover where the buttons would be, using gyroscope is a must, you get the camera very sensible and to have a better aim set up the gyroscope to give that last adjust before a headshot.
I've been playing a lot more on my phone after I bought a Gamesir X2S. This combined with my Android phone was a budget solution to play emulation, some indie ports and remote play.
I rock the gamesir x2 because it connects via bluetooth and has a ridged back so my phone feels supported. Being able to use it as a controller for my PC when I was in the hospital was brilliant, and tossing it in my bag takes up less space than my Switch Lite
Honestly i kinda found a niche with this controllers. I need a secondary controller when my friends are in my house, or i want to play with my brother or family. But I also want to play games with my Moto G200 when I just do not want to go to the pc. I bought 2 BSP-D3 that works with Bluetooth and USB-C and they are nice. Now I bought a G8 Gallileo, which doesn't have a easy way to connet to pc (is funny how the 8$ bsp-d3 has usbc for data and the 55$ not), but it sort of can via a usb female to female, then usbc to usbc. So, I think for a secondary controller that you can use in everything they are actually really nice.
I really hate carrying a cell phone - I just don't like to be that available. Mine is only for calls - the cheapest, smallest, dumbest phone I can get. I want a dedicated gaming device that does NOT do calls.
One scenario I see myself using my phone with a controller like the Backbone One instead of a portable emulation machine like a Steam Deck or a PlayStation Vita is RetroAchievements, specifically while on the go. Those require you to be connected to the internet, and then running the game on the phone and strapping the controller - even if you need to remove the case, which is the case of the Backbone One, at least the old generation I have here - is more convenient then getting your phone, setting up a mobile hotspot, getting your other emulation device and connecting to it.
I do game on my phone time to time, but Usually when I do, I either play touch, or, use DeX with a monitor with a gamepad which is a god way to keep my emulated games on the go, kind of like a makeshift switch that I carry everywhere every day. Few games on the platform do support gamepad I noticed, Fortnite, Portal Bridg Constructor and a few others, but it's mostly emulators. I wish Mobile had a storefront similar to Steam because the Play store is just flooded with shovelware galore.
Just found this video and gotta point out that I use a Razer Kishi V2 fora Z Fold 6 with the official Samsung pen case. Works perfectly and I don't have to remove the case.
My very first smartphone was the Sony Xperia Play that had a slide out controller built-in. Roms were fun to play. It also had crash bandit pre installed. It was awesome!
I pretty much always carry a small sling bag with me since I live in a new country and pretty much always need my phone for navigation and so always carry a battery bank incase I run outta juice. So in this bag I always have my battery bank, an iPhone charger cable, my 8BitDo Lite 2 Bluetooth and RetroArch installed on my phone with all my favourite Nintendo games in storage. It’s so convenient while waiting for the subway or if I’m hanging out at a coffee shop waiting for a friend to join me. I also own an Anbernic RG35XX SP and multiple 3DS consoles but I just love that my iPhone can play all the games I wanna play and all I need is to take the small 8BitDo controller with me.
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My daughter likes to play Roblox on her iPhone, do any of these controllers mentioned work with the 14 to play Roblox?
Is there any controllers for andriods for the fold 4?
The aspect ratio and the heat 🥵
I knew Rocket seemed to good to be true.
It's like 10$ a month, and they want to charge 35% of what they save me as a "Succesful negotiation fee" on anything I save money on. That would have been a 84 dollar charge to save me 20$ a month. No thanks. I'll call Comcast myself.
If I have to remove a case, that's a dealbreaker.
When it comes to convenience? Yeah.
I totally get the appeal though. Maybe you have a new phone and your old one is still very capable so you want to turn it into a dedicated gaming device.
Maybe you have a very slim case or already go ceaseless.
Maybe, as Wulff said, you have a high end phone, like playing mobile games a lot and don't want a separate device.
I'm with you though
@@Fernando-ek8jp Yeah I'm on team caseless and I love my kishi v2
@@AbimayoXD I can totally see that. I'm too clumsy to go caseless
Don’t use a case.
@@DaiChurch I can't tell if you're for real or not.
At best your suggestion is: "Change the way you are used to using your phone on a daily basis just so you can add a specific accessory that you might not use that often"
The worst part about games that are in the app store specifically is that a ton of them don't even offer controller support as an option.
Yep. Then i discovered keymapping on android handhelds and now i am ripping all the players in multiplayer games hahaa
@maj Thanks for writing this so I didn’t have to.
Cod mobile players use from 3 to 10 fingers in comp competitions... So...
Yeah, have no idea why so very few games support controllers. If spending so much time and money developing in game, how hard could it possible be to add controller support? It's after all only a small number of software interfaces to deal with.
@@jang.6097 what do you use to map keys?
Cell phone controllers being more expensive than console controllers will always be funny to me.
there are cheap ones. but they are very meh doesnt feel good.
It literally has never made sense to me
Some low end handhelds are cheaper than these higher end phone controllers as well.
Your phone cast more than your console so now what.
@@hellotherenameishere. Let alone hundreds of millions.
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Are you going to make all the m-cons by hand or with somesort of machine?
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I took a phone I no longer use for calling and what not, bought a Gamesir G8 controller, setup a frontend on the device, and now it's a portable gaming handheld for when I go somewhere and I can just play a lot of games on the go without having to lug around some consoles and handhelds.
I can see that being a very valid usecase.
Capable phone that you no longer use? Why not make it into a dedicated gaming device.
This. Old phone plus controller could make you "cheap" alternative for dedicated handheld. I have my old Xiaomi with SD845, decent amount of GC and PS2
Why some consoles and handhelds?
Get somethin like the odin 2 and you have the same options as your phone. Some prefer the aestetic of real connected buttons and a 16:9
@@jang.6097 that's a handheld.
That's a separate, independent device that you have to carry around.
@@Fernando-ek8jp did you read his comment? He took a second phone. So he also has another device right?
14:16 Thanks for holding your hand in front of the screen while showing us the problems btw. I was really able to see what you're talking about.
Probably should've mentioned that Game Pass and Geforce Now will also run just fine with your phone using these devices. In fact, the original Kishi had a version specifically branded with Xbox controller buttons so that it could be used with Game Pass. It works surprisingly well, too.
The Xbox branding is irrelevant any version will work with game pass The PlayStation branding is important because only that version will work with the native remote play app on the Play store
@@ShawnRaz87 Correct. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that he kind of ignored Game Pass and GeForce Now and how this kind of setup is actually a great to access those services.
@@Downhuman74because you can’t play the on the go unless you have extremely fast and unlimited mobile data. This video is more about taking it on the go and being lightweight, cloud gaming is so difficult even on hotel WiFi right now
@@josephmclord You can barely even stream RUclips on most hotel Wi-Fi...by design. They throttle bandwidth on purpose - especially if they have in-house on-demand services. No sense bringing that up. And not everyone is hopping hotels all the time. I'm able to use Game Pass and Geforce Now just fine at most of the places I regularly visit. It's a thing that works enough of the time to be mentioned, I think.
Back in 2018 or so 14 year old me played Mario kart 64 on my pixel on the plane with my Bluetooth controller and lemme tell you that was freaking amazing
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I had a folding Moga controller when this stuff was new. Horrible device. They are so much better now. I'd love to use my joycons on my fold 2
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How time flies. When I was 14-15 I played Skyrim on a stationary PC. Handheld gaming only existed on handheld consoles like the Nintendo DS Lite 😅 Born in '94.
@@Niborino9409the fact that nowadays Skyrim can be played through an Android phone is so wild.
There was a company that released a Joy-Con grip that can also hold a phone in landscape mode. It was designed for the Nintendo Switch Online app, which only began to support landscape mode within the last year.
We need a modern Sony Ericsson Xperia Play. A major manufacturer building a slick powerful device with built in controller would be perfect.
Tech surely has advanced to the point they can make a really good version of that miserable little phone lol
@@cloudycolacorpit's where the mobile version of Minecraft started so... yeah lol
once m-con is out, you'll be able to make your own xperia play with every phone you want, given the ability to attach some magsafe sticker to your case
You gotta try this on a folding phone. The inner screen has a 5:4 aspect and makes retro games look great. You can also play in split screen and have a video or guide open while playing. Been doing this for years on my galaxy fold 3, and am surprised i haven't seen anybody mention it.
I have a Chinese controller [BSP D9] that natively mimics the signal of PS, Xbox, and switch controllers. So, it's perfect for remote play. I recently got an Android phone [Redmagic 9 Pro] specifically for emulation with Dolphin and Yuzu. This setup allowed me to play Nintendo games for the first time, and it has been serving me great.
I never take the Android phone or the mobile controller out of the house, so the bulkiness is not an issue for my use case. But in general, mobile [emu] gaming has never been better!
BSP is the best and waaay cheaper
I got the D8 a while back and was genuinely blown away by how good it is. For sure, it does feel cheap but it works incredibly well. Hall effect joysticks and triggers in a device I paid like $18 on AliExpress is insane.
I use the Gamesir G8 now, but I've been thinking of grabbing the new one they put out. The D10S with the cooling pad on the back. I almost got the D9 as well, but I personally couldn't get over how much it was trying to look like a dualsense. It felt a bit cheesy imo. Different strokes and all that, I guess. Still, BSP is absolutely killing it.
@@PloopChuteBSP doesn't connect to your phone via USB right? How did you deal with charging your phone while playing? That's my major concern
@@neoroger510 Why do you need to charge while playing? That's so dumb
@@Digger-Nick you're either joking or you must be a very casual gamer.
You didn't mention the PlayStation Phone, the Xperia Play that released way back in 2011. It had a slide out Gamepad built into the phone, and I have waited SO LONG for companies to attempt this again. Alas, none have bothered. It would be my ideal phone, and with modern streaming apps and good emulation, now would be the perfect time to release one. The slideout gamepad case has much potential and I can't wait to see where that goes from here.
It's not none have bothered, sony patented the slide out controls but never made another phone. The patent expires in 2025 (which is now this year!) So we might MIGHT see something soon
love the dsi background music at the start 😩🤌✨
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the bottom slide controller is hilarious - taking us back to the sidekick days lol
07:59 Where's Sony with the Xperia Play 2 when you need them?
I got a Backbone. I used it.
Then I got a Deck. I use it.
Honestly, Sony had the phone gamepad experience figured out over a decade ago, with the Xperia Play. It was built into the phone, it was a bit thin in the hands, but it worked, and the form factor wasn't clunky. There is a little bit of that form factor making a reappearance now, you made mention of it, but I have yet to see a truly great slideout style controller. I don't even think it needs to slide out, just a clip controller that focuses on putting the controls beneath the phone instead of out to the sides would be a huge boon to what they can do in terms of portability.
I want my communication device to be separate from gaming device. When I have the few moments during the week to myself to play games, I want to make them dedicated to gaming and unplugged from the rest of the world.
I think the problem is that probably 99% of people who game on their device are casuals that don't care about controllers so there's not a ton of demand.
Other pluses of the Backbone is that the triggers are analog, the and you can plug a usb-c cable into the passthrough port and connect the other end into any device and it will work as a wired controller. So if you travel with other, larger devices, you can still use the same controller.
I have that controller, didn't know that about it. Interesting.
I think there’s actually a lot of promise in this market, it’s just still so new and expensive relative to what you get. If you’re spending $800-1000+ on a powerful phone with a nice screen, and mobile gaming has got a lot of attention and development, it only makes sense to utilize it! With that said, $150 is too much for the compromises you mentioned. It still needs the one thing 99% of phones don’t have which is active cooling. Accessories exist for that purpose, but it’s still a nascent category and has its compromises, chief among which for me is that you can’t use your own case to fit the controller. To justify the hassle and bulk of carrying it around, it needs to be compatible with phones that have a normal size range of cases, provide active cooling, and at an affordable or sensible price.
Check out the gamesir X4, it's a split controller and it should leave enough room for a cooling fan.
I think if you're getting into peripherals with active cooling or proprietary cases with heat pipes, etc. then you're trying too hard. IMO an Android handheld gaming device like a Retroid Pocket or Ayn Odin would be a better choice for most people because it's a dedicated device built with cooling in mind, has built in controls/grips, it separates the functions of gaming/phone stuff, and generally looks cleaner, more cohesive, wholistic in design than a phone + series of peripherals.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis there are gaming phones like redmagic with active cooling and it's own game launcher, to me the retroid is a waste of money when my phone can do what that can plus more.
It's not new at all, I bought an ipega controller in 2017, it's just that phone devs do not give a shit to add controller support, you will literally only use them with emulators, when I would also want to use it on Honkai Impact or something.
The market is well over 10 years old, chief issues have been software support (Android updates especially frequently break old software and hardware compatibility) and the fact that gaming drains your battery very quickly.
"It's not convenient to carry a whole gaming controller with you"
I don't get that argument. Like you're most likely carrying your smartphone around with you at all times. It's not like you're going to leave your phone behind for the device you plan to game on. Meaning, you'll be carrying a secondary THING with you anyways. So why is this such a point of contention?
That secondary device is going to be the same footprint or larger than a secondary auxiliary controller anyways so that initial point seems moot to me.
Cell phone and the 8BitDo SNES with thumb stick controller is my go to for mobile games when I’m not on my Steam Deck
I understand why it's required, but it kind of sucks having to remove and reinsert your phone from its case every time you use one of these devices.
You don't.
My g8 works with a case on my android phone and if your phone case is thicker you can remove a part that's just there for gripping the phone (which you don't need because the case is grippy) and it works with a case.
Kishy is just a terrible value device compared to both gamesir g8 and gamesir x2s and literally no one should buy it.
unless you're using one of those massive waterproof cases. you don't.
I have a galaxy S22 ultra that I use with a mocute 60 and never take the case of when using it.
Just don't get a case, problem solved lol.
@roflBeck and never drop your phone or have infinite money. Easy
just came from the external progression video. Excited to see more solutions in the future.
I use the backbone for my Sunshine server on my PC and at 10 MB the connection is super solid. Playing Wind Waker HD on my phone with barely any noticable latency, I forget I'm even streaming it. Childhood dream-level shit. Even on a mobile connection if you're ok with a bit of crust, but on a 720p phone screen you're not missing much.
Cloud gaming from your own PC is wayyyyy better than a major provider imo
Thanks for that delta tip, such a better experience than what I had previously been using.
Try out the GameSir G8 Galileo, it's like this controller but better
YES! Bob, you NEED to check out some GameSir products!
perfect timing, i was looking at controllers for my s24 ultra and by some coincidence you posted this video today.
Buy a gameser g8. I've been in love with it for a while now. It's amazing.
It is absolutely convenient to have a mobile phone and a handheld console with you! Who tf wants their gaming interrupted by a text or a phone call? Nobody.
Do not disturb mode?
Joke's on you! No one texts or calls me.
The rocket money ‘notification ding’ got my wife looking at me crazy cause I’m watching your videos at 2am 😂.
You gotta chill 😂
These are the reasons I like my backbone with a 15 pro:
1. Build quality issues with portable emulators (had an rg35xx and rp3+ become unusable).
2. Convenient to play games on my phone and then add a controller if I need (playing phoenix wright with touch controls then a controller for hades).
3. Light, going on a euro trip soon and a backbone controller is much lighter then a bigger emulator.
4. While I don’t use it often, having remote play for ps5 and steam is great.
5. In the future we’ll hopefully see GameCube, ps2 and more ports to ios.
GameCube and PS2 emulators won't be coming to the app store unfortunately, because they depend on dynamic recompilation to get any reasonable speed. The app store guidelines still specifically state that dynamic recompilation is against their terms, and that's mostly because it allows for viruses and malicious software to slip through their detection. If they allowed it, app developers could inject code that breaks all of Apple's other rules after the app had already been approved and downloaded onto people's phones.
I just hate the backbone app
@@DubsBrownWhy so?
@@pilot_aki it tries to get you to sign in every time you connect the controller. I got so annoyed I uninstalled the app but if you press the backbone button accidentally it tries to get you to reinstall.
The SCUF nomad you recommended has been great I love the back buttons and for cloud gaming it’s been amazing
I bought a 50$ phone with a snapdragon 845 and use it as a dedicated gaming device. phones are so plentiful and cheap im glad there are controllers for everything from heavy gaming ergonomics to pocketable phone controllers.
I really want the m-con cause of how slim it is. Definitely pocketability is a big point for me.
I feel like the reason you don't understand the market for that controller is because you HAVE all those other handhelds. Plenty of people have expensive and powerful phones because of carrier subsidies, but no gaming handhelds at all. In that case, it seems pretty easy to justify spending under $200 on an attachment for your phone instead of spending even more money on a handheld that will STILL be substantially less powerful than a modern top of the line smartphone. On top of that, if you're the kind of person who upgrades your phone every few years, you get to bring your controller along with you even more powerful device.
if you can justify $200 for attachment at that point justify $300 and get a lcd steam deck.
@@Eskoxo I mean the jump from $150 and $300 is 2x that's not insubstantial
Interesting, the first half of those arguments are reasons I've seen for dedicated handhelds. Many people have cheap phones, especially younger people or they don't like smart phones or want to game without the phone temptation/interruption, and given solid emulation devices that do more than any phone under $500 are like, $150-200 let alone the more expensive ones, if you don't have a high end phone plan situation or sometimes even if you do, a cheaper android handheld makes more sense for many, or a mid range one even.
@@reptilez13 from my experience most young people have reasonably modern iPhones, or Samsung galaxies. They definitely sell huge volumes of them every year. Carrier plans make it pretty attractive for people, even if they really don't need the performance.
For sure if you don't have a powerful phone and you don't feel that you want one then a dedicated handheld makes sense.
Now with hall effect sticks its even better because It Just last longer than a Common gamepad
I wish i knew how to modify 3D print files, I've been wanting to do something like the vertical joycon grip you did for my android phone for ages
I'm using the gamesir g8 lately, it's honestly really good. I don't need to remove my case on my pixel 6, game streaming performance from my PC is fantastic with moonlight and sunshine (I played through a lot of elden ring on it), and it's cheaper than most options while being very comfortable.
I use a clip or bracket that attaches my XBOX controller with my phone. Works really well, especially after pairing it with Mantis Gamepad Pro to map my controller input with touch controls.
Bob really channeling his dad with that ad read
Two things that make the Razer Kishi Ultra my preference over a ROG Ally:
1. A Foldable Phone
2. Moonlight/Steam Link to remote into your gaming PC
If you already have a gaming PC, and especially if you have a foldable android phone, the Kishi ultra is the device for you. I returned my ROG and now play on a larger screen and delay of around 10ms or less if I'm on the same local network as the gaming PC (I really don't travel much I just like playing handheld in bed)
You should look more into remote gaming! It's much stronger than cloud gaming. The key is to remote into your own hardware
foldable phones (assuming you mean book-style like the Galaxy Z Fold and not clamshell-style like the Moto Razr) are ridiculously expensive and have a niche use case. with that much hardware investment, picking a peripheral for the expensive device you already own is kind of a no-brainer..
I ended up settling on playing games on my phone using an 8bitdo SN30 Pro while traveling. Small enough to toss in a carry on bag and not taking up a lot of space while also being a good controller input for games like Genshin etc when I'm away from my PC.
The problem with using your phone as a gaming device is that it's also the same device you use for making calls and getting important texts. So it's kind of hard to do both without worrying you might miss something important while you play.
flagship phones generally have gaming modes to block out those notifications unless you manually set something to bypass it and it often boosts performance toward games. i am not a fan of controller on phone for different reasons but i think your reasoning is flawed for many devices
@@KnowThyWeaknessHe's not saying there isn't a gaming mode option or anything equivalent, his statement is concerning the fact that if you have that mode on, you may miss important calls or messages because you're gaming on the same device used for people to communicate with you that aren't with you in person
@@belikezack Also running down the power on your one-and-only phone in the whole wide world that you use for communication across the whole planet is a less than ideal solution.
For a hundred-ish more dollars you can buy a powerful Android powered handheld gaming device that can play just about anything, emulate just about everything, and if it runs out of power or you rage-smash it you can still make calls on your phone.
Looking at a completely different screen will definitely let you miss some things.
@@12rennsemmel Not really you still have ears.
Was thinking of an iPad mini since it has pencil support to finally retire my old pro and gen 1 pencil.
The fact that this controller can work with it might convince me to pull the trigger.
When traveling a kishi v2 and my 15 pro max is pretty awesome
I would put up with any of the inconveniences you mentioned if it wasn't for one major problem that you seem to have overlooked: No powerful phones have expandable storage anymore. If one of these controller grips had a built in SD slot for storing roms I may not have bothered buying a Steam Deck
A phone with a controller and a Steamdeck aren't really comparable products, even if the prices overlap. They're similar but they're not really the same product class.
Mid range phones do have expandable storage and can emulate just fine. Got gsmarena and filter by card slot.
@@jorge69696 That's fair, but I don't want to be stuck with a mid-range phone for my main device or have two phones just for this reason
you can add a USB-C flash drive to the USB-C port.. some of them are incredibly small and don't stick out like you want to intentionally destroy your phone's/controller's USB-C port
As someone who previously said that "instead of buying retro handheld systems, just buy a controller for your phone because it is much more capable of emulating retro games, even ps2 levels", having bought an OG35XX changed my perspective. Having a dedicated retro handheld system is really convenient in a way that it is pocketable and can be fired up and play anytime anywhere. As an added bonus, no distractions from notifications if using phone.
Sony fixed that problem years ago with the Experia play
Still got one at home, with custom rom and a bigger battery with modified back. Yes, batteries used to be easily removable even in weird phone form factors xD
Gyroscope aiming is underrated! takes like a day or two to get the hang off but when you do... it's almost on par if not, on par with mouse. You turn analog up full to turn faster and use the gryoscope for the actual aiming/shooting! it's awesome.. I started using it in Breath of Wild and now I use it on everything that supports it! it IS literally cheating
Once you get used with gyro you can't go back to aim on analog sticks. Gyro should be a standard native feature in games by now. Most people think it's just a Nintendo gimmick.
@@rasantefalso Even if it was a Nintendo gimmick, it's STILL better lmao. people a silly.
There are people even use the right-hand joycon on PC because they prefer the gyro aim over mouse. I mean make hense, it's pretty the same but no friction, mouse needs a surface
@@Dracorientalis I'm all for gyro but I can't imagine rocket jumping with gyro aim
@@spagootest2185 yeah lol I imagine that would take a lot more practice. Not impossible though...
i bought one Razer kishi ultra for my phone ,i have a gaming pc but this controller came handy when i went to travel
here a solution. Remember those sliding phones? like the sony erikson. Could we go back to that. Phones are powerful enough they just need physical buttons built in.
I just backed MCON Controller on Kickstarter. Last time I used Kickstarter was when the OUYA dropped lmao. Hopefully the MCON works as well as it looks.
Controller on phones are pointless when 99% of developers refuses to add controller support.
Around year 2010 there were a lot of games with controller support, and it went downhill after that.
Hell to this day Genshin does not support controllers on android, only on iOS, it's as if someone is paying them to not do it.
@@lucasLSD I think i know why. Apple Arcade requires controller support.
Android TV don't require it, but all games on Android TV supports controller.
The only ones who ever pushed controller support on Android were Ouya and MOGA. Both companies have been gone for many years. They are probably the reasons why there were so many games with controller support around 2010.
This just isnt true. Apart from the fact that you can use emulators, most controller have touch mapping, which makes literally any game playable with it.
@@askeladden450 Emulator's wasn't the point.
@@askeladden450 This isn't true as game developers don't use emulators to run their games on Android.
That ultra 3 look impressive, love that Dpad finally, can play Saturn comfortably
2:13 *casually shows off butterfly*
I’ve had the Kishi Ultra for a few days and paired it with my Lenovo Y700 2024 (import). It’s been an absolute monster - it basically becomes what you dreamed the PlayStation Portal would be
i wouldn't suggest phone mounts because it's bluetooth instead of wired and the phone is much heavier than the controller making it uncomfortable
Same here. I got the Kishi Ultra to use with my iPhone 15 Pro Max, but I enjoy playing on my Steam Deck, Odin 2, PS Portal and a bunch of other 4:3 handhelds
I would've love to have a phone controller with an MMC slot. Some alleged gaming phones still come with 128-256 gb storage. If you wanna play switch games via emulation, HOYO games, wuthering waves and AAA ports, that storage will ran out quick
Then a controller with installed cooling fan. These phones can get REALLY hot.
Bonus will be a controller with a power bank installed. So you can you use to use the charge separation option of your phone
The first phone controller I got (Moga PowerA) does have a battery, but it's a standard Bluetooth controller that can clip the phone to the top. I find those top heavy, but it is handy as another Bluetooth controller.
Me. I specifically want to buy this as a gaming handheld for the iPad mini. I’ve been using a joycon adapter for it for years. Moonlight on the iPad mini is an incredible gaming experience and I recommend anyone give it a go. Definitely going to pick this up.
Razer finally learned that offset controls are more comfortable than vertical joycon layout
As someone who owns an ROG phone 5, I actually worked some bits of my DOBE controller to align with the 2nd usb c port. now I just slide my phone in and out like a switch, and its freaking amazing.
Having the 3DS home theme playing in the background automatically makes you based.
Saying based automatically makes you 12
@@CCthekink123 I said it ironically lol.
The minimalist trifecta: Phone, Miyoo Mini, Steam Deck. Hits everything you could need for portable gaming.
The answer is simple... I don't like to charge my phone every minute because the battery drains a lot during any extra work 😅
That's why I still use a handheld console (like 3ds, vita or even switch) to play my games (and ipod to listen my songs)
Still rocking my Anbernic RG351P. It does everything I need for mobile gaming.
Not gonna lie. I was expecting it to be over 200.
Why would you lie? Man you copy paste clown are something else
In six to twelves months it'll be half price or less. I bought a V2 off of ebay for less than $30.
I think a stretchy button membrane sock or tube that could slip over the phone touch controls would be ideal. Takes up virtually no space, is pliable so wouldn’t break and makes use of the screen controls. I personally would want something that’s a step up from touch controls.
This thing cost the same price as the new nothing phone 🥶
Thats why pwoplw chisse things they are cheper
And almost as good
For me the Gamesir g8 is still the best.
Its $80
Super comfortable grips.
Full sized Hall effect joysticks with 3 extra caps of different size/shapes
Hall effect analog triggers.
2 Programmable back buttons.
Deticated home/options/and screenshot buttons
Pass thru charging
3.5mm headphone jack
3 pairing modes: android/ios/and a PS remote play specific mode.
Plus a key mapping program for non controller support games
Haven't seen the video ofc but tf you mean "just use a controller with your phone" in quotation marks I learned that from you lmao
I think he’s being sarcastic because so many people including myself will say “just use a controller with your phone” when seeing most of these Android handhelds, and if you already have a gaming pc unless you really crave the native pc handheld feel you could easily just stream your pc to you’re phone, which typically has a higher quality display, better controller options and more versatile.
However I will admit my experience is that pc handhelds are better for those who either 1 aren’t typically pc gamers and just prefer controller from the get go but want to play pc games, and 2 those who highly value the offline and native pc aspects of pc handhelds.
@@kimhyunwoo8983 you are phone
The controller that eternal progression is making is really convenient. It's pocket-able and Magsafe compatible, it means, you don't have to remove your case. Just attach or detach on-the-go.
Hall Effect is not a buzzword like Ai
it means that it will not drift
some people are upset with the fact that normal controllers will eventually drift especially if you spend +100$ on a pro / ultra whatever controller ( i had a ps5 controller that started drifting immediately after the return window closed and that did upset me a lot )
and Hall Effect controllers do solve this problem
and personally i will never buy a controller that doesnt have Hall Effect Analogs and Hall Effect Triggers
no more headaches for me
Hall Effect doesn't mean it is immune to drift, just increases the likelihood that it won't occur. As mentioned in the video since all Hall Effect sticks are not made equal, low quality parts mean that they can drift just as easily as regular sticks.
@@voteDC no, i disagree
first of all i want to clarify the difference between regular potentiometers and hall effect (also look it up yourself dont just trust me, there are plenty of videos or articles explaining this stuff) :
potentiometers sensors are made of mainly two components
a resistance
and a metal contact that slides across it
when drift occurs in this kind of sensors usually its because of this resistance being worn off by the metal wiper that digs into the resistance more and more grooving it every single time you move the analog
( i say usually because drift could also be caused by something else as a simple dust particle that gets stuck onto the resistance not allowing the metal wiper to make proper contact and not sending the electrical signal as intended, this problem can be solved imo easily with some isopropyl alcohol or compressed air)
on the other hand we have hall effect sensors that are basically made of a magnet and a sensor reading the changes in the magnetic field caused by the rotation of the magnet
theres no wear and tear of any component technically
and we could say that hall effect sensors are virtually drift proof
( now i say technically there's no wear because the sensor and the magnet are not touching each other so there is no friction ruining the hall effect sensor so the spring responsible for recentering the analog becomes the only possible failing point and this spring is also inside the potentiometer analogs)
to call hall effect a gimmick or a buzzword because of this centering spring (which i repeat is also inside potentiometer analogs) is nonsense
to put this in perspective
amongst the first controllers to have hall effect are from 1994 and they are still going strong as of now after 30 years
in the meanwhile there are some brands that sell controllers nowadays that first of all are made with analogs that can be literally found on aliexpress for 0,50$ each, search for Alps Analogs which are considered the best potentiometers, and this is the price for normal people i cant even imagine how cheap big brands like Sony are getting them for
and they get sold for ridiculous prices sometimes branded as PRO controllers and they drift immediately after the warranty ends
and finally to tackle the not all hall effect are equal i agree with that in the literal sense but not in what most people imply when saying it (as in some are cheap and bad quality, i disagree with this ) ,
hall effect controllers are not as widely available
the only brands that i know that produce hall effect are gulikit, gamesir, hypr and turtle beach ( if you know about other brands let me know ) and i never heard mass complaints from people
for now they seem to produce high quality stuff
on the contrary people are so enthusiastic about them that they have built some loyal fanbase because of this idea of not having to worry about drift forever
you can find official discords forums and reddits where people can interact with the creators give feedbacks and ideas for future products and seems like they are listening so far and personally i love this kind of stuff
i hope you liked reading all of this ;)
bro an ipad mini with some of the good apple arcade games, some really good n64 and gba games and some good app store games would probably be so sick with a kishi.
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Try the BSP D3 controllers. They have a mobile specific mode that you can button map for games that dont offer controller support. It also has a PS4, Xbox and Nintendo SW pro controller mode that automatically works on emus and controller supported games. It doesnt need a key mapping app like Octopus and its cheaper than Razer Kishis, Backbones, etc...
All a controller needs is 2 analogs and 4 shoulder buttons, but the analogs under the phone and the triggers over it, the rest of the buttons can be mapped into the screen, for the "feeling" you can have a screen protector with some groover where the buttons would be, using gyroscope is a must, you get the camera very sensible and to have a better aim set up the gyroscope to give that last adjust before a headshot.
I converted my old S10 to an emulation machine with a Kishi v2. Amazing for emulating gba and streaming GamePass
"because i don't want to" is my go to.
I've been playing a lot more on my phone after I bought a Gamesir X2S. This combined with my Android phone was a budget solution to play emulation, some indie ports and remote play.
I got a backbone for $60 from Walmart last week. It’s great with PPSSPP, Delta & CoD Mobile. Glad I picked it up
I rock the gamesir x2 because it connects via bluetooth and has a ridged back so my phone feels supported. Being able to use it as a controller for my PC when I was in the hospital was brilliant, and tossing it in my bag takes up less space than my Switch Lite
this video went on so many tangents.
Hey just wanted to say I have loved the vids for a few years now, and plan to stick with you. Thanks for the content and keep it up.
Tried many. Backbone one is the best
Honestly i kinda found a niche with this controllers.
I need a secondary controller when my friends are in my house, or i want to play with my brother or family. But I also want to play games with my Moto G200 when I just do not want to go to the pc. I bought 2 BSP-D3 that works with Bluetooth and USB-C and they are nice.
Now I bought a G8 Gallileo, which doesn't have a easy way to connet to pc (is funny how the 8$ bsp-d3 has usbc for data and the 55$ not), but it sort of can via a usb female to female, then usbc to usbc. So, I think for a secondary controller that you can use in everything they are actually really nice.
I really hate carrying a cell phone - I just don't like to be that available. Mine is only for calls - the cheapest, smallest, dumbest phone I can get. I want a dedicated gaming device that does NOT do calls.
I still have a Razer Kishi V1 although I only emulate PS1 and PS2 on my phone and it's still great
Gamesir g8 plus + any phone= win.
One scenario I see myself using my phone with a controller like the Backbone One instead of a portable emulation machine like a Steam Deck or a PlayStation Vita is RetroAchievements, specifically while on the go. Those require you to be connected to the internet, and then running the game on the phone and strapping the controller - even if you need to remove the case, which is the case of the Backbone One, at least the old generation I have here - is more convenient then getting your phone, setting up a mobile hotspot, getting your other emulation device and connecting to it.
triggers have been "hall effect" for years, like atleast since the xbox 360
I do game on my phone time to time, but Usually when I do, I either play touch, or, use DeX with a monitor with a gamepad which is a god way to keep my emulated games on the go, kind of like a makeshift switch that I carry everywhere every day. Few games on the platform do support gamepad I noticed, Fortnite, Portal Bridg Constructor and a few others, but it's mostly emulators. I wish Mobile had a storefront similar to Steam because the Play store is just flooded with shovelware galore.
Just found this video and gotta point out that I use a Razer Kishi V2 fora Z Fold 6 with the official Samsung pen case. Works perfectly and I don't have to remove the case.
A caser that works with all the controllers is the Pitaka Aramid. Expensive, but worth it.
I hope for an universal psp go/xperia play pad for android. And foldable phones are practically made for retrogaming
My very first smartphone was the Sony Xperia Play that had a slide out controller built-in. Roms were fun to play. It also had crash bandit pre installed. It was awesome!
Best rocket money ad ever 😂😂😂
I pretty much always carry a small sling bag with me since I live in a new country and pretty much always need my phone for navigation and so always carry a battery bank incase I run outta juice.
So in this bag I always have my battery bank, an iPhone charger cable, my 8BitDo Lite 2 Bluetooth and RetroArch installed on my phone with all my favourite Nintendo games in storage.
It’s so convenient while waiting for the subway or if I’m hanging out at a coffee shop waiting for a friend to join me.
I also own an Anbernic RG35XX SP and multiple 3DS consoles but I just love that my iPhone can play all the games I wanna play and all I need is to take the small 8BitDo controller with me.
For phone controllers, the Nacon Mg-x Pro (the xbox one) is so good. Genuinely console feeling buttons and sticks, holds my Fold 5 perfectly