"Feixiao is good because whenever a new FUA unit is released she'll get better" "Firefly niche because she needs Break units" ... what? And another thing Break Units so far aren't niche at all. Ruan Mei, Gallagher and Lingsha, three Break units are at the top of their respective paths. Fugue might make Rappa worthwhile somewhere other than PF, will make Firefly great in PF and make Boothill more reliable. The bias against Super Break is huge on this one 😂
@ I chose instead to invest in Jiaqiou and his LC. A much better investment and a bigger power boost than Acheron’s LC. I guess I am elite and smart (smarter than you at least)
@@Cadmun Sorry my mind cant comprehend the complexety of a close to 100% damage boost from a single LC, i guess i cant reach the same neuronal conexion of *your* special type. Is not like i tested it myself and 99% of the internet and then we got like half the cycles with her LC vs without it, i guess science and calculations are out of your league.
@ you’re severely misinformed if you believe her LC doubles (100% increase) in damage. The calcs have it around a 20% increase. JQ and his LC, however, does double her damage. Take a minute to learn how vulnerability works in game mmmkay my inferior intellect friend 🤦
"FF is worse with fugue rather than HMC" - I'll stop you there and say that you clearly don't know the overall value fugue provides when compared to hmc
Actually I've seen the calculations second hand. She used to be exactly 12% better but then her multipliers got nerfed last second and became slightly worse. Only with E2 Firefly is Fugue better than HMC.
@@mooseoncaffeine buddy we get you have rose tinted glasses for acheron and a hate bonner for superbreak but come on the calcs still say fugue is better then hmc and they could easly power creep ruan mie part of her kit iwch give dmg% dose nothing for break and the boss being immune to break was speculation stop trying to act like it aint and your point well thay can just add more debuffers and fua characters but not break is dumb not to mention you gave acheron a 3 cost team wich is big for her cause her light cone is a big boost
@@mooseoncaffeine You act like you can simultaneously use HMC and Remembrance MC. Ignoring whether Fugue is better or not, at the very least she valuable as a replacement for superbreak teams and enables you to still use it while also using RMC. So you cant in one breath hype up HMC over Fugue and in the next breath glaze Remembrance MC.
A singleplayer game is defined by the challenges created by the developers. The exact same way superbreak can be shut down by toughness protection, FUA can be shut down by counters (which Hoolay is likely to have, by the way), HP sharing (which has already happened, and the sky didn't fall) and Acheron can be shut down by debuff Immunity. Rather than trying to consider teams versatile or not due to the challenge choices developers just happen to make, it is better to rank every team within its specialty and based on how effective it is at dealing with the scenario it is built to handle. Furthermore, the very next limited unit we are getting is a superbreak focused one, and we only just got a superbreak focused main DPS who has proven to be so insanely powerful within her niche (Rappa) that prydwen hesistates to rank her based on her performance within it (because she would end up overshadowing literally everyone else, which feels wrong) There isnt any honest indication that break focused teams are going to go the way of dot, to be frank. Weakness breaking is a basic feature of the game, and not a "fleeting meta"
You make a good point, but I don't entirely agree. These videos are mostly about the current state of the meta and what's most likely going to happen in the near future. What's most likely going to happen is AOE attacks get better because of Remembrance units being mostly AOE, FUA staying around the same, but Superbreak getting slightly worse because there're obvious counters to it in the future and due to Harmony MC being phased out by Remembrance MC. There are no rumours about Debuff immunity so far. By the way, FUA attacks don't actually trigger enemy counters. When fighting the Silvermane Lieutenant for example, when he activates his Counter state and you hit him with a followup attack, he doesn't counter. Same thing for Gepard's counter. I don't expect them to change that with Hoolay. Plus, even if Hoolay did counter FUAs or Counter attacks, then Aventurine, who is best in FUA teams of course, would just do his own FUAs more frequently due to getting more stacks. I see your point of ranking each team in its own niche, but ranking each team in its own niche just means that every team is going to be the best at what it's designed to do. You should compare the best teams with each other instead based on what the devs are going to do or are currently doing.
If we're strictly looking at future proof potential, the most important thing you need to look out for is the absence of a complete team. Teams such as Super Break & FuA have already reached their limit. The only change they'll realistically get is a Main DPS for different elements. Meanwhile Acheron has yet to get a dedicated 2nd Nihility nor a Sustain. There are multiple workarounds to her "1 stack per action" restriction. The simplest method would be follow-up attacks. People weren't joking when they say E0S1 Topaz was the best stack generator for Acheron. I can see 5* Pela being exactly that. The only problem though is her E2, I can't really tell if they want to keep Jiaoqiu as her one & only dedicated support; and forces you to pull for Acheron's Eidolons instead. Also, do *NOT* sleep on 1.x characters. They're the foundation of how the devs want to make the game moving forward. The game only has 3 buttons to press. So, they will definitely bring them back to the drawing board when designing future units, even if they will directly powercreep them. Jingyuan is the prime example of this. I'd say that the only character that can't be salvaged at all is Physical MC. They're too plain & doesn't have any special gimmick attached to them.
*Acheron is still the best* for future investment because her team isn't complete yet, she still need Ult buffer & Debuffer Sustain. *Superbreak* while have the best F2P teams for beginners, their DMG ceiling already capped because their mechanic is quite niche and with such narrow mechanic only some chars can fit in before they cannot release more *Feixiao team* is decent. They do their job really well but Feixiao already have a complete team. There won't be any 2nd Topaz or Robin for future investment (unless they take a complete powercreep route which I really doubt will happen). Also she is Single Target but I can predict AoE will be the focus on 3.X with The Herta.
I agree with that: 1. Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen, + sustain 2. HMC, Lingsha, Herta, Rappa That's it. I'm not F2P, but I'm new and I don't have the resources or the time in game to have built all the other teams.
if debuffer sustain , acheron stack can only be triggered 1 time per action and its already covered by jiaoqiu thats why trend LC only useful when jioaqiu stacks already full .
Acheron is a unique case because of her not relying on Harmony units, so I actually wouldn't always recommend her. Her uniqueness is a double-edged sword. She WANTS Nihility supports unlike any other DPS, but because of that, you're technically investing in Acheron PLUS her Nihility supports, which comes out to be a lot more niche and expensive. I would instead recommend Follow-Up teams as a whole. It's a well established archetype with versatile DPS options. Need single-target focus fire? Get Topaz. Need a unit to keep up with fast attackers like Hoolay? Get Clara. Need AoE? Clara, Jing Yuan, Jade and Lingsha have you covered. And don't forget the timeless combo that is Herta and Himeko in Pure Fiction. Blade exists too but just... don't. Need F2P options? There's Hunt March and Moze can be picked up from the event. Want to work FuA with Break? Himeko and Lingsha are right there. Oh yeah and some Preservation units do FuAs too apparently. I don't find it fair to just put Feixiao as the representative of FuA. There's just so many different ways of playing it. Also, I personally skipped Feixiao since I have literally every other FuA (minus Jing Yuan, Jade, and Lingsha)
The "F2P" in this video does not account the relic/ornament investment. It is not easy to get good relics for new players, it takes MONTHS. So, saying that this or that team can 0-cycle, or 3-cycle an MoC stage can be really misleading. I have a 7-month fully F2P account, and I could clear MoC/PF/AS with F2P Feixiao and Rappa teams, and I can't get all the stars now. I know it is because of worse relics than I have on my main account.
Relic investment is mostly luck so I don't like including it. Even Superbreak that is notoriously easy to build can be insanely annoying. I've been trying to get a set for Fugue ever since she was teased and I still don't even have 1 piece despite her only needing SPD and BE and EHR.
Nice essay. I was also impressed you had made it two consecutive videos without saying "superbreak is boring", but you just couldn't resist tossing it in at the end. (Have you considered changing the channel name to SuperbreakIsBoring? Though I don't think you actually assigned the amount of weight really needing an S1 is, to a f2p, and I don't think Feixiao is remotely as future-proof as most people do, but I generally agree. I might say the best FUA f2p is actually Robin+Aventurine, though. Because those are probably the two characters I really cant ever see losing value, they are grossly universal, and the DPS in FUA is a revolving door anyway.
Aventurine trumps Gallagher in most teams for sure. But Gallagher was available for free before and will be pull able maybe in 10 pulls with the next banners. He also has a chance to grace you with his presence from the standard banner. While Aventurine is a 5star limited. (I love his VA, animations and personality so I got his LC and E1 despite being f2p, but that's a husbando thing...) And I agree, a little bias seeped into this assessment about Fei, for sure. She is more flexible teamwise and for sure badass, but I'd say she will be replaced in her own play style, soon. Especially as remembrance characters can fit into any team type (summon is a "talent" type, not a team type). Fei has a complete team so no reason not to replace her with a new DPS we can build team for. But FUA teams as a type are timeless, surely. And super break is fun (in moderation. I wouldn't use two teams like that), but also limited in use if the enemy is made immune to super break (surely not enemies will be). I for one am happy to have Rappa as she is Erudition and I assume she will work with the Hertas. But I expect Firefly to fall off of her current pedestal and super break as a team type will also be less wow and yay... I also think, there is a huge bias about Boothill (dude is awesome but has his limitations, too). But yes, Aventurine and Robin are awesome and versatile.
There's something about Super Break that made me not fully invest in that gamestyle despite 3* clearing all end game content with it (while using Ruan Mei, HMC, Gallagher, Break Himeko). But for my Acheron and Feixiao team, I even pulled for their SigLC/eidolon and BiS supports. Very weird because Break Teams are easy to build (only speed and break effect) and very cheap.
I agree with the video. I'm not F2P, but I'm new and I don't have the resources or the time in game to have built all the other teams. I haven't even had a chance at e.g. Gallagher he rerunes in 1.5 weeks. Here's who I run: Team 1: Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen, + sustain AND Team 2: HMC, Lingsha, Herta, Rappa (aka Super Break). That's it. That's all I've had time to build and it took like 4 months. I am hoping to get Fugue and Gallagher on the next banner so Gallagher can take Lingsha's spot on super break and then Lingsha can go over to the Acheron Team, and Trailblazer can be freed up for Remembrance. *I don't disagree with the Feixiao team, it's just that I have zero of those characters: Feixiao, Topaz, Robin, Gallagher... I haven't even unlocked March 7th the Hunt yet, and while I have Moze, I don't have a FUA team to put him on, so he isn't built.
While I definitely agree that E0S1 Acheron/E0S0 Jiaoqiu team will work fine, the Feixiao / Robin team is not that F2P as Robin without her E1 is not that helpful - at least with a casual level of investment into relics. Farming for Feixiao is very hard - at least for me. I could not make the team (E0S0Feixiao/E6 March/E0 Robin/E0S0 Fu Xuan - sorry, no Aventurine, lost 50/50 on his banner) work everywhere, at least in this MoC and Apocalyptic Shadow. Feixiao is not very F2P friendly in my opinion, but that is also why this unit is harder to powercreep once you get amazing relics and the premium team members.
@stribijev I'm sorry, saying Robin without E1 isn't very helpful is insanely incorrect. She is the best support in the game by far and she's insanely easy to build since you just have to give her ATK main stat pieces and ERR so relic investment should never be an issue.
@@mooseoncaffeine And I have her on my "newbie" F2P account, and she is not helpful. I prefer E0 Ruan Mei to E0 Robin anway, just comparing the damage amplification the unit provides.
"Feixiao is good because whenever a new FUA unit is released she'll get better"
"Firefly niche because she needs Break units"
... what?
And another thing Break Units so far aren't niche at all. Ruan Mei, Gallagher and Lingsha, three Break units are at the top of their respective paths. Fugue might make Rappa worthwhile somewhere other than PF, will make Firefly great in PF and make Boothill more reliable. The bias against Super Break is huge on this one 😂
Firefly is the new jingliu bruh
@SharfKnows They don't have a single thing in common brother
”91% acheron havers have her lightcone” Yeah thats definently not skewed
He just seems stupid after saying that. At least his conclusion was not stupid.
2:45 he called me stupid 😮 Only elite players skip Acheron’s LC 👑
If all elite players are stupid, then yes you are correct also if you want to use your ult once every full moon.
@ I chose instead to invest in Jiaqiou and his LC. A much better investment and a bigger power boost than Acheron’s LC. I guess I am elite and smart (smarter than you at least)
@@Cadmun Sorry my mind cant comprehend the complexety of a close to 100% damage boost from a single LC, i guess i cant reach the same neuronal conexion of *your* special type.
Is not like i tested it myself and 99% of the internet and then we got like half the cycles with her LC vs without it, i guess science and calculations are out of your league.
@ you’re severely misinformed if you believe her LC doubles (100% increase) in damage. The calcs have it around a 20% increase. JQ and his LC, however, does double her damage. Take a minute to learn how vulnerability works in game mmmkay my inferior intellect friend 🤦
Blud do you ult every Amber Era
In the 3.x patch, the super break will end up like that of the DOT team in patch 2.x.
"FF is worse with fugue rather than HMC" - I'll stop you there and say that you clearly don't know the overall value fugue provides when compared to hmc
Actually I've seen the calculations second hand. She used to be exactly 12% better but then her multipliers got nerfed last second and became slightly worse. Only with E2 Firefly is Fugue better than HMC.
@@mooseoncaffeine buddy we get you have rose tinted glasses for acheron and a hate bonner for superbreak but come on the calcs still say fugue is better then hmc and they could easly power creep ruan mie part of her kit iwch give dmg% dose nothing for break and the boss being immune to break was speculation stop trying to act like it aint and your point well thay can just add more debuffers and fua characters but not break is dumb not to mention you gave acheron a 3 cost team wich is big for her cause her light cone is a big boost
@@mooseoncaffeine You act like you can simultaneously use HMC and Remembrance MC. Ignoring whether Fugue is better or not, at the very least she valuable as a replacement for superbreak teams and enables you to still use it while also using RMC. So you cant in one breath hype up HMC over Fugue and in the next breath glaze Remembrance MC.
Don't they dare put a lot of AoE enemies in end hame modes. I still need to beat floor 12 with huntonly!
Rip hunt only. Glad I quit it 🫡
A singleplayer game is defined by the challenges created by the developers. The exact same way superbreak can be shut down by toughness protection, FUA can be shut down by counters (which Hoolay is likely to have, by the way), HP sharing (which has already happened, and the sky didn't fall) and Acheron can be shut down by debuff Immunity.
Rather than trying to consider teams versatile or not due to the challenge choices developers just happen to make, it is better to rank every team within its specialty and based on how effective it is at dealing with the scenario it is built to handle.
Furthermore, the very next limited unit we are getting is a superbreak focused one, and we only just got a superbreak focused main DPS who has proven to be so insanely powerful within her niche (Rappa) that prydwen hesistates to rank her based on her performance within it (because she would end up overshadowing literally everyone else, which feels wrong)
There isnt any honest indication that break focused teams are going to go the way of dot, to be frank. Weakness breaking is a basic feature of the game, and not a "fleeting meta"
You make a good point, but I don't entirely agree.
These videos are mostly about the current state of the meta and what's most likely going to happen in the near future. What's most likely going to happen is AOE attacks get better because of Remembrance units being mostly AOE, FUA staying around the same, but Superbreak getting slightly worse because there're obvious counters to it in the future and due to Harmony MC being phased out by Remembrance MC. There are no rumours about Debuff immunity so far.
By the way, FUA attacks don't actually trigger enemy counters. When fighting the Silvermane Lieutenant for example, when he activates his Counter state and you hit him with a followup attack, he doesn't counter. Same thing for Gepard's counter. I don't expect them to change that with Hoolay. Plus, even if Hoolay did counter FUAs or Counter attacks, then Aventurine, who is best in FUA teams of course, would just do his own FUAs more frequently due to getting more stacks.
I see your point of ranking each team in its own niche, but ranking each team in its own niche just means that every team is going to be the best at what it's designed to do. You should compare the best teams with each other instead based on what the devs are going to do or are currently doing.
Well for hoolay, aventurine is a great counter for him.
If we're strictly looking at future proof potential, the most important thing you need to look out for is the absence of a complete team. Teams such as Super Break & FuA have already reached their limit. The only change they'll realistically get is a Main DPS for different elements.
Meanwhile Acheron has yet to get a dedicated 2nd Nihility nor a Sustain. There are multiple workarounds to her "1 stack per action" restriction. The simplest method would be follow-up attacks. People weren't joking when they say E0S1 Topaz was the best stack generator for Acheron. I can see 5* Pela being exactly that.
The only problem though is her E2, I can't really tell if they want to keep Jiaoqiu as her one & only dedicated support; and forces you to pull for Acheron's Eidolons instead.
Also, do *NOT* sleep on 1.x characters. They're the foundation of how the devs want to make the game moving forward. The game only has 3 buttons to press. So, they will definitely bring them back to the drawing board when designing future units, even if they will directly powercreep them. Jingyuan is the prime example of this.
I'd say that the only character that can't be salvaged at all is Physical MC. They're too plain & doesn't have any special gimmick attached to them.
*Acheron is still the best* for future investment because her team isn't complete yet, she still need Ult buffer & Debuffer Sustain.
*Superbreak* while have the best F2P teams for beginners, their DMG ceiling already capped because their mechanic is quite niche and with such narrow mechanic only some chars can fit in before they cannot release more
*Feixiao team* is decent. They do their job really well but Feixiao already have a complete team. There won't be any 2nd Topaz or Robin for future investment (unless they take a complete powercreep route which I really doubt will happen). Also she is Single Target but I can predict AoE will be the focus on 3.X with The Herta.
Isn't jiaoqiu gives the enemies vulnerability to ult attacks?
@jaydentran4764 Yes but turn it into Harmony for E2 Acheron
I agree with that:
1. Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen, + sustain
2. HMC, Lingsha, Herta, Rappa
That's it. I'm not F2P, but I'm new and I don't have the resources or the time in game to have built all the other teams.
how would they complete her team ? she already have jiaoqiu . they cannot add another nihility for her because her e2 will be useless .
if debuffer sustain , acheron stack can only be triggered 1 time per action and its already covered by jiaoqiu thats why trend LC only useful when jioaqiu stacks already full .
Acheron is a unique case because of her not relying on Harmony units, so I actually wouldn't always recommend her.
Her uniqueness is a double-edged sword. She WANTS Nihility supports unlike any other DPS, but because of that, you're technically investing in Acheron PLUS her Nihility supports, which comes out to be a lot more niche and expensive.
I would instead recommend Follow-Up teams as a whole. It's a well established archetype with versatile DPS options.
Need single-target focus fire? Get Topaz.
Need a unit to keep up with fast attackers like Hoolay? Get Clara.
Need AoE? Clara, Jing Yuan, Jade and Lingsha have you covered. And don't forget the timeless combo that is Herta and Himeko in Pure Fiction. Blade exists too but just... don't.
Need F2P options? There's Hunt March and Moze can be picked up from the event.
Want to work FuA with Break? Himeko and Lingsha are right there.
Oh yeah and some Preservation units do FuAs too apparently.
I don't find it fair to just put Feixiao as the representative of FuA. There's just so many different ways of playing it.
Also, I personally skipped Feixiao since I have literally every other FuA (minus Jing Yuan, Jade, and Lingsha)
Agree 100% with the conclusion of the video :D
The "F2P" in this video does not account the relic/ornament investment. It is not easy to get good relics for new players, it takes MONTHS. So, saying that this or that team can 0-cycle, or 3-cycle an MoC stage can be really misleading. I have a 7-month fully F2P account, and I could clear MoC/PF/AS with F2P Feixiao and Rappa teams, and I can't get all the stars now. I know it is because of worse relics than I have on my main account.
Relic investment is mostly luck so I don't like including it.
Even Superbreak that is notoriously easy to build can be insanely annoying. I've been trying to get a set for Fugue ever since she was teased and I still don't even have 1 piece despite her only needing SPD and BE and EHR.
Nice essay. I was also impressed you had made it two consecutive videos without saying "superbreak is boring", but you just couldn't resist tossing it in at the end. (Have you considered changing the channel name to SuperbreakIsBoring? Though I don't think you actually assigned the amount of weight really needing an S1 is, to a f2p, and I don't think Feixiao is remotely as future-proof as most people do, but I generally agree.
I might say the best FUA f2p is actually Robin+Aventurine, though. Because those are probably the two characters I really cant ever see losing value, they are grossly universal, and the DPS in FUA is a revolving door anyway.
Aventurine trumps Gallagher in most teams for sure. But Gallagher was available for free before and will be pull able maybe in 10 pulls with the next banners. He also has a chance to grace you with his presence from the standard banner. While Aventurine is a 5star limited. (I love his VA, animations and personality so I got his LC and E1 despite being f2p, but that's a husbando thing...)
And I agree, a little bias seeped into this assessment about Fei, for sure. She is more flexible teamwise and for sure badass, but I'd say she will be replaced in her own play style, soon. Especially as remembrance characters can fit into any team type (summon is a "talent" type, not a team type). Fei has a complete team so no reason not to replace her with a new DPS we can build team for. But FUA teams as a type are timeless, surely.
And super break is fun (in moderation. I wouldn't use two teams like that), but also limited in use if the enemy is made immune to super break (surely not enemies will be).
I for one am happy to have Rappa as she is Erudition and I assume she will work with the Hertas. But I expect Firefly to fall off of her current pedestal and super break as a team type will also be less wow and yay...
I also think, there is a huge bias about Boothill (dude is awesome but has his limitations, too).
But yes, Aventurine and Robin are awesome and versatile.
Just a Whale waiting on a Blade rerun don't mind me prayers :D
2:52 those statistics are very limited compared to the general player base but alright lol
Love Acheron and she is the best "over world" but I wait for Fei's rerun impatiently
5:30 oh, a Portal reference
Indeed.
me sweating with my E0S0 no Jiaoqiu Acheron
I am that 0.3 percent that uses in the name of the world for Acheron. Why? I lost the 50/50 on her lc. Maybe
Is the herta going to be f2p
yes
Yes, The Herta, Herta, Remembrance MC, and HuoHuo is going to be a pretty powerful team everywhere.
I have all harmony units till sunday, but no dps who can complete.y utilize them =/ and no sustain too lol
There's something about Super Break that made me not fully invest in that gamestyle despite 3* clearing all end game content with it (while using Ruan Mei, HMC, Gallagher, Break Himeko). But for my Acheron and Feixiao team, I even pulled for their SigLC/eidolon and BiS supports.
Very weird because Break Teams are easy to build (only speed and break effect) and very cheap.
Someone tell me leaks about phainon 🥺
E2 Feixiao best f2p team
I agree with the video. I'm not F2P, but I'm new and I don't have the resources or the time in game to have built all the other teams. I haven't even had a chance at e.g. Gallagher he rerunes in 1.5 weeks. Here's who I run: Team 1: Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen, + sustain AND Team 2: HMC, Lingsha, Herta, Rappa (aka Super Break). That's it. That's all I've had time to build and it took like 4 months.
I am hoping to get Fugue and Gallagher on the next banner so Gallagher can take Lingsha's spot on super break and then Lingsha can go over to the Acheron Team, and Trailblazer can be freed up for Remembrance.
*I don't disagree with the Feixiao team, it's just that I have zero of those characters: Feixiao, Topaz, Robin, Gallagher... I haven't even unlocked March 7th the Hunt yet, and while I have Moze, I don't have a FUA team to put him on, so he isn't built.
CC indo plss bro
While I definitely agree that E0S1 Acheron/E0S0 Jiaoqiu team will work fine, the Feixiao / Robin team is not that F2P as Robin without her E1 is not that helpful - at least with a casual level of investment into relics. Farming for Feixiao is very hard - at least for me. I could not make the team (E0S0Feixiao/E6 March/E0 Robin/E0S0 Fu Xuan - sorry, no Aventurine, lost 50/50 on his banner) work everywhere, at least in this MoC and Apocalyptic Shadow. Feixiao is not very F2P friendly in my opinion, but that is also why this unit is harder to powercreep once you get amazing relics and the premium team members.
@stribijev I'm sorry, saying Robin without E1 isn't very helpful is insanely incorrect.
She is the best support in the game by far and she's insanely easy to build since you just have to give her ATK main stat pieces and ERR so relic investment should never be an issue.
@@mooseoncaffeine And I have her on my "newbie" F2P account, and she is not helpful. I prefer E0 Ruan Mei to E0 Robin anway, just comparing the damage amplification the unit provides.
@@stribijev yeah uhhh youre insanely wrong, robin is still on the tippity top at e0. Ruan mei is only favorited on the likes of break and dot.
@@duck_smuggler No idea, I have no Robin and do not suffer from that.
Please get a better mic, this is basically unwatchable with headphones
I'm very well aware of my mic being bad, I'm doing the daily upload thing mainly to get a better setup. 🫡