There is a legit and related question though and that is are these small incremental lap time savings due to the changes to the car or Alex getting more used to it on this track? The tyres and brakes will obviously make a difference but with these things...?
Really enjoying this man. I work at a BMW exclusive repair shop and am highly enjoying watching a nice diesel wagon chipping away at the m3. I love practicality yet good performance. And I also really like that you go into detail about what each mod does for the car and how they fit on. This is a great series. Keep it up. Can't wait for the end result.
Alex Kersten btw man, our shop is in Columbus, OH and we got a couple of good yards if you're ever back in the states and want some parts for cheap. And my shop is called Best Motor Werks if you wanna check us out 😊👍
This series is absolutely brilliant. This is the closest thing to old school top gear. You guys are difinitely on the right track here, this has to be the most interesting thing to watch for all car lovers on youtube!
@Anonymous It does not need ANY of those things to drive the nordschleife. Touristenfahrten is open to any registered car. People drive normal road cars there all the time, I have driven my bone stock bmw f31 there.
@@Lukerr239 To be fair, the Nordschleife is filled with people coming from the UK to have trackdays there. If you look at the number plates theres, a good portion of it are UK plates, there just for a day of fun. In reality it's only a few hours to drive there.
"where the tyre are the limiting factor" Told you guys when you put on Chinese (Taiwanese) B grade tyres where the M3 contendor had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S installed... The tyres were by far the best improvement you guys have made but you insisted on not using the same ones as your contendor, still inexplicable choice to me. All the rest made only marginal gains and actually could be explained by learning the track and car better.
Something like a dunlop direzza z3, bridgestone re71r, or bf Goodrich rival s would give much more grip not to mention feedback which would in turn help the driver utilize all of the tyres grip. Dont understand why they cheaped out on pretty much the most important item for improvement of laptimes.
All of you are highly misinformed. The Nangkang NS2R is a very capable tyre and should have the edge against the super sports in dry performance. Jonathan (Mr Tyre Reviews) isn't an idiot and wouldn't have recommended them for this build if they were shit.
Fair enough if they're not available but you're telling me that a nankang was the best available street legal tyre? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
@@11cnm18 rip everything out from inside. Don't need rear seats, spare wheel etc etc all useless. Roll of duct tape will help also but it might heat up if you cover too much with it lol
Geo: fr 3.5 neg 0.05 toe out each side , rear 2.2 neg 0.10 toe in each side . Retry the test . By the looks car still wants to push the front due to Mcpherson type of suspension pushing the hub to positive camber under loads , lack of lsd doesnt help either . By the looks the way the wheels sit , its very mild setup , and you aint having quick times with that.
This type of series is a lot of fun to watch, something to keep in mind though is that this is a relatively short track and the improvements made might not seem like much because the track is so small. On a larger and longer track the improvements and difference in lap times would be much more drastic. Keep up the good work 👍
This is probably my favourite series so far. To see another Diesel E46 ESTouring which looks really similar to my fathers (before modifications were done) getting improved bit by bit and seeing it go round a track really gives something. Keep it going.
The most important part of going faster is tuning your parts and ailment you just can’t bolt on parts and go faster they should be showing the tire temps and wear and adjusting the seat bars and alignment to maximize grip -__-
I was kind of hoping this would be next. I mean, it's free, and it improves everything about the car - why not do it? It's a track car after all, it's not like comfort is important...
Taraniis surely by that logic the M3 will need aftermarket alloys, wider tyres, eventual engine mods, roll-bars, racing brakes and coilovers then? The whole point of this series is to see if you can modify a cheap old estate car to beat a sports car on the track. He even said in the first episode they're planning on stripping it.
I just love the way you guys show all the processes and explain the reasons behind installing - give Gareth more air time! Sensational video as always, nice to see the progress made👍🏻
You’re loosing a lot of time by going over the curbs in some of the corners. Your wheels lift off a bunch coming off of them and you loose grip and you’re not able to accelerate as quickly. EDIT: The liftoff and loss of grip is also what is causing you to go wide in a lot of the corners and go into the grass.
One point is missing here... The geometry of the car. Very cheap is to buy a IR thermometer and check the temperature distribution on the tyres. In case you have too much temperature on the inside you can adjust the camber more positive. Or more toe in etc. When I see you car in slow motion I can see that the tyre is deforming, even if the rim looks okay. Please go on the track and check the temperature distribution! I would expect min. -0,5s by a professional setup.
Alex mate, a lil tip for some fine tuning. Upgrading the front and rear anti roll cars can change the car's handling balance quite significantly. Its a good idea to fine tune this setup with damper settings, camber settings and tire pressures. Watch the Slowmo again and you'll see the car understeer at the apex, it appear the front might be abit too stiff with the previous suspension damper settings AND the new anti roll bar. Try to soften the front damper by two clicks to get better turn in. If the problem is oversteer (rear axle) soften the damper by two clicks. Of course all these takes time but at the end of the series dial all these stuff in and you should be even faster! :)) Btw I'm loving this series! thumbs up if you like it too! :))
I think, better thing than more power is less weight 😊 (like Chapmann said: power give you speed on strights, less weight give you speed everywere) if you throw away an interior, audio and some other things it will be the second best mod after wheel and tyres 😎 one only thing is to keep good mass balance, not only lightened the back end 😉 your tyres will bee thankfoul for that 😜 After that (or before) you need bucket seats and harness.
A friend of mine had a E46 330D saloon. He decatted it, put a large bore exhaust on with manifolds and had a professional remap. Had 340bhp and 600nm. Thing was a beast. Best thing about euro 4 and older diesels is you can remove all the emissions stuff without making the car illegal as cats etc aren't a legal requirement on old diesels
I put stiffer front and rear ARB on my old Impreza and it introduced more understeer on turn in. I put the standard front ARB back on and the car was fantabulous. The stiffer rear definitely helped it feel nicer on power coming out of corners. Whether it was faster or not I don’t know, because I didn’t have a maste with a stop watch like you do, but it felt great.
Yeah, the lack of improvement could be down to the change in balance. Could be too much oversteer, leading to inadequate power delivery/exit speed. That's why adjustable sway bars are MUCH better.
yep, on awd and fwd cars especially, uprating the front arb almost does nothing, it keeps the understeery nature of the drivetrain, but what's the fun in that? Planning on putting an uprated rear arb on my 9-5 aero and some fresh front bushings
This is possibly the best series on RUclips right now. Apart from testing the car after installing new performance gear, I'd like to see how much of a difference would a full-time racing driver bring!? I am not talking about Raikkonen, but I am sure you guys can bring a racing driver of some kind for a few laps in Gareth (this sounds awesome ahahah)
This series is basically a guide of how to tune properly (and in the correct order) our car. Very good stuff, guys and thank you for sharing some quality brands that we can trust.
I love this channel. It's a mix of Top Gear (a bit bonkers), Wheeler Dealers (good mechanical advice) and Fifth Gear (reviews and comparisons). There's great chemistry between everyone and no big egos. It really should be on TV 👍
Hey, why are the tyres from dot 09 ? They are nine years old and the rubber is hard...... How is it whith new tires from this year, they are softer and have better grip and you get a better lap Time i hope...
I have a slow E36 318is coupe but after the Turner Motorsports chip, BavAuto sway bars, Hawk HPS pads, blank Brembo rotors, B&G S2 springs, and Koni Str.T shocks and struts, it's been a HUGE improvement.
I only updated the rear anti roll bar on my Audi A6 to make the chassis balance more neutral. It really works... my Audi barge doesn't understeer at all anymore.
You may not notice the larger anti-roll bars, but if you do the poly bushes in the control arms in the front suspension, you WILL notice a difference. At least I did when I put some in my first neon. I actually hated how numb and stiff it felt at first until they wore in a bit and I got used to the new handling characteristics.
Smallest differences do biggest changes, so what about clutch stop bolt mod, so you don't over-press clutch and save time, this car uses electric throttle. Sprint booster is proven to increase throttle's responsiveness
I had a set of Hotchkis anti roll bars with polyurethan bushings installed on my Nissan 370Z 6MT sport pkg a couple of years ago. It definitely reduced body roll during cornering and sharpened the turn in approaching corners. The tradeoff was increased ride harshness, but that wasn't a big deal.
Sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner rollbars make cars faster, you need a balance not a bunch of parts. Almost all of the time poly bushes are a huge upgrade (except for on sways), unless there is an issue with bind resulting from a part that is supposed to do more than turn inside the bush. Sway bar bushes are a tuning component allowing more or less give before the bar comes into full effect. Best to leave them off at first while upgrading the rest of the suspension, then add the polys on the end of the car needing less traction.
What about bushes for the steering rack and column? Also new track rod end and new front lower control arms for better ball joint? As that would help steering response and feed back.
I just did a suspension refresh recently. Not a sports improvement just back to stock standard (it's an msport 330) And the ride quality in terms of comfort is just so great. The bushes certainly helped but it also feels good not to be in a boat anymore (springs and shocks) Haha.
So am I the only one thinking that all they're proving is that these mods are mostly a pointless waste of money? They've made the car stiff and more uncomfortable and that barely made it any faster at all, the bulk of the improvement so far has been from simply fitting better tyres. Making a car corner flatter doesn't always mean it will actually go around the corner faster, even if it might "feel" like it. BMW knew what they were doing when they set up the suspension and realistically you're not going to do better by just throwing in stiffer aftermarket bits. A decent set of tyres and a remap would have probably shaved off several seconds already.
Sérgio Alves basicamente...num carro usado principalmente para fins desportivos faz algum sentido, em carros de dia a dia e deste tipo (carrinha com motor Diesel) é perda de tempo e estragar o que o carro tem de bom de origem.
Watching the slow motion footage almost shows that the car with the huge bars cause the car to slide out from the apex more; losing time. Knicking that high curb probably adds time. I realize they're trying for shortest distance. Can you dial in the springs/shocks or maybe an alignment suited for this track? Tire pressures? Try a comparison with a more seasoned driver to see if there's a greater difference. This has been fun to watch. I'd keep the interior. It's more realistic to what people do to their cars. Who would daily drive a gutted car? It would get old real quick. Keep up the good work guys.
Strongflex red (race) bushes are meant to be the same hardness as Powerflex black series if i remember rightly and a lot cheaper. That's what i went for all around on my GC8 Impreza and there are really, really good... on good roads. Things start to get a bit twitchy on our roads when you stiffen everything up a lot.
12:22 - Although in the 'swaybars' car the driver would be trying harder due to the decreased body roll, it's interesting to note that the top car has considerably less initial understeer and is then neutral coming out of the turn, while the bottom car has more understeer followed by final oversteer requiring opposite lock to negotiate the same turn.
Next stage : Drop in K%N air filter, replace Heavy factory muffler with lught aftermarket muffler, Limited slip dfferential. This will result in better traction at start and more power delivery under heavy load, a bit more air comming into the engine/ engine brething a bit better, and 20or so Kg weight reduction. Your best bet would be remowing the interior that is behind the driver, but since his is still a daily driver car that is not an option. Greetings from Slovenia, keep the mad fun series going.
I’m really enjoying this series! One question: why the standing starts on the timed laps? When you’re talking about sub 1 sec improvements, that could all be in the starts.
Love the channel. Before you add power you should fit a limited slip diff so you can put the power to the road, corner exit speeds will vastly improve as you are able to go on the power sooner.
This does only help on a race track or a new paved road. My car had progressive lowering coil springs on it when I bought it, that shit was the first I changed to standard springs as the car was bouncing of the road in the corners. Could increase the speed a lot with longer travel and softer springs on our bumpy roads. Would be interesting to see what time you would get with a 5 cm lift and slightly larger offroad tires and then cut the corners instead.
I know this is your show, however, I think next time you decide to do something like this, start with the bushings first, please? The reason I say this, you could have seen just how much difference is made when replacing old rubber bushings with new poly. bushings. This could have been a great way to see if any difference was made with the poly. bushings with the suspension still stock, and you would have gotten one of the hardest mods out of the way first as well. I know personally what a difference going from worn out bushings to new stock replacements is like, but I would love to have seen the difference made going from the rubber bushings to the poly. ones. At that point, everything else you changed would likely have done even more to lower times.
Remove the muffler and add some stickers. I bet then it will do lap under 35 seconds
1000 subs no videos and racing stripes
You guys forget about carbon fibre stickers.That will give it a 30s flat.
Don't remove the muffler just cut a hole in the fucking exhaust
Naw just gotta get vtec
1000 subs no videos I
next video: "Does a better driver improve track time?"
no hate lmao, alex is great
Actually a nice idea. They should fly in @boosted Boris.
Right, he's pretty much a racing driver
There is a legit and related question though and that is are these small incremental lap time savings due to the changes to the car or Alex getting more used to it on this track? The tyres and brakes will obviously make a difference but with these things...?
A more consistent driver would show improvements done to the car a lot better. But it's still fun to see Alex do it.
Ralph Hardwick the track is just too short to see the performance advantages. But you feel the changes instantly
You guys should get one of those laser lap timers people use for auto-x.
iammike lasers aren’t invented in england yet
This x 100! Human reaction time isn't accurate to 0.1s, much less 0.01s
iammike these guys would get more views if they had that project Lexus still they need to make some cheap track cars
Really enjoying this man. I work at a BMW exclusive repair shop and am highly enjoying watching a nice diesel wagon chipping away at the m3. I love practicality yet good performance. And I also really like that you go into detail about what each mod does for the car and how they fit on. This is a great series. Keep it up. Can't wait for the end result.
cheers Jake!
Alex Kersten btw man, our shop is in Columbus, OH and we got a couple of good yards if you're ever back in the states and want some parts for cheap. And my shop is called Best Motor Werks if you wanna check us out 😊👍
Bro I hope they pay you well if you ever have to fix an e65
Uliu N yeah we have one gentleman who has spent about 4 or 5 times what the car is worth just on mods and repairs. Mostly electrical in nature.
@@BurdenOfAMusician Columbus represet, not a bimmer owner sadly
You guys really need a good lap timer....
but, but..... they dont sell them on the car throttle website.
Don't worry, I make Ethan do thumb exercises to ensure he's accurate to .000002 seconds
this is so inaccurate
Using your thumb and a phone totally undermines the whole series....
@@natedog8147 dude.. you're really complaining about a guy timing with his phone?
This series is absolutely brilliant. This is the closest thing to old school top gear. You guys are difinitely on the right track here, this has to be the most interesting thing to watch for all car lovers on youtube!
Id skip rent to pay for them to replace the current new top gear cast
Tune it. 'Tis time.
Edit: btw a space bar on a key board has an anti-roll bar.
Also, Mr. Limited Slip Diff has to enter the realm of E46
They need more usable RPM out of this engine, make 6k redline diesel :D
You'll like next week's ep!
@@alexkersten1964 yay!
@@Kocan7 They will have to change the turbo for that, so I belive they will just crank up the boost and *TORQUE*
After you do some stuff to car try it on Nurburgring
Yea, you travel from an island to germany to test it out. Genious.
@Anonymous It does not need ANY of those things to drive the nordschleife. Touristenfahrten is open to any registered car.
People drive normal road cars there all the time, I have driven my bone stock bmw f31 there.
@@Lukerr239 To be fair, the Nordschleife is filled with people coming from the UK to have trackdays there. If you look at the number plates theres, a good portion of it are UK plates, there just for a day of fun. In reality it's only a few hours to drive there.
@@kennytheamazing bro the few hours don't matter if the budget is exceeded...
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 A lap is 30 euros, you can get there and back on a single tank of diesel. What budget?
How long before you have a go at the engine?
Next week!
This track is small and twisty so power makes less difference
Christ chris of course it will make a difference lol
Alex Kersten yes u sexy male
Alex Kersten you should do a weekend rental on the carthrottle website and you can throttle me anytime
"where the tyre are the limiting factor" Told you guys when you put on Chinese (Taiwanese) B grade tyres where the M3 contendor had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S installed... The tyres were by far the best improvement you guys have made but you insisted on not using the same ones as your contendor, still inexplicable choice to me. All the rest made only marginal gains and actually could be explained by learning the track and car better.
Orvieta much agreed, the term “ditch finder” has always followed the name Nankang whenever someone’s mentioned it in my experience
Something like a dunlop direzza z3, bridgestone re71r, or bf Goodrich rival s would give much more grip not to mention feedback which would in turn help the driver utilize all of the tyres grip. Dont understand why they cheaped out on pretty much the most important item for improvement of laptimes.
All of you are highly misinformed. The Nangkang NS2R is a very capable tyre and should have the edge against the super sports in dry performance. Jonathan (Mr Tyre Reviews) isn't an idiot and wouldn't have recommended them for this build if they were shit.
@@michaelpetricca7151 I don't think any of the tyres you listed are widely available (or available at all) in the UK.
Fair enough if they're not available but you're telling me that a nankang was the best available street legal tyre? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
ecu tuning air intake exhaust turbo upgrade do it all mate
The whole concept of Gareth is to beat the M3 without any engine upgrades
Air intake is pretty pointless in diesel’s
@@11cnm18 rip everything out from inside. Don't need rear seats, spare wheel etc etc all useless. Roll of duct tape will help also but it might heat up if you cover too much with it lol
Big intercooler and map will give great gains
Optical Clarity Do you really think they will end the series without doing any weight reduction?
At the end of the series you should get a Racing driver and give him a go to see if it could go any faster ;]
Agrred
I think they can save 1 second by substituting both Alex and Ethan with a Pro driver and a Pro time Tracker.
Wais what do you mean Alex is a real racing driver
The Stig
8/10 IGN: Needs more Garreth flexing
my favorite youtube series at the moment .
Yessss!
Seriously!
Drivetrain would be befor power,
LSD and a better clutch/fly weheel then give it a tune to see better results
Can confirm car is now stripped
I would go for smaller wheels (17inch) and 245 oder 255 tires in the front.
And then add a bit more camber.
Weight loss should have been first, as all settings; camber, corner weighting/etc will need to be adjusted to account for changes.
They decided on keeping the interior stock.
I actually really liked Gareth hosting! I like Alex too but Gareth was a great host as well
Brother when you are done in Fradley you MUST take the car to the ring and smash some seriously expensive cars!!!
he won't, the engine is still an old 3l R6 with barely 200bhp.
Geo: fr 3.5 neg 0.05 toe out each side , rear 2.2 neg 0.10 toe in each side . Retry the test . By the looks car still wants to push the front due to Mcpherson type of suspension pushing the hub to positive camber under loads , lack of lsd doesnt help either . By the looks the way the wheels sit , its very mild setup , and you aint having quick times with that.
This type of series is a lot of fun to watch, something to keep in mind though is that this is a relatively short track and the improvements made might not seem like much because the track is so small. On a larger and longer track the improvements and difference in lap times would be much more drastic. Keep up the good work 👍
This is probably my favourite series so far. To see another Diesel E46 ESTouring which looks really similar to my fathers (before modifications were done) getting improved bit by bit and seeing it go round a track really gives something. Keep it going.
currently swapping to powerflex bushings on my volvo 740, front is done and now i hope to get the rear done before the weekend is over
ståle starheim. Cool
The most important part of going faster is tuning your parts and ailment you just can’t bolt on parts and go faster they should be showing the tire temps and wear and adjusting the seat bars and alignment to maximize grip -__-
Weight reduction brother. All the time is hidden in the excess weight!!
Alexandros Diskakis true but it’s kinda cheating tho taking the car to bits,both cars have to be whole for a true comparison.
I was kind of hoping this would be next. I mean, it's free, and it improves everything about the car - why not do it? It's a track car after all, it's not like comfort is important...
i know..but just taking the backseats out of the car and replacing the front ones with some recaro's could easily save 50kg's
true..but m3 doesnt either have semislicks or racing wheels...right?
Taraniis surely by that logic the M3 will need aftermarket alloys, wider tyres, eventual engine mods, roll-bars, racing brakes and coilovers then?
The whole point of this series is to see if you can modify a cheap old estate car to beat a sports car on the track. He even said in the first episode they're planning on stripping it.
I just love the way you guys show all the processes and explain the reasons behind installing - give Gareth more air time! Sensational video as always, nice to see the progress made👍🏻
You’re loosing a lot of time by going over the curbs in some of the corners. Your wheels lift off a bunch coming off of them and you loose grip and you’re not able to accelerate as quickly.
EDIT: The liftoff and loss of grip is also what is causing you to go wide in a lot of the corners and go into the grass.
Stephen Hawking
But the glamour shots and youtube moneys!
Stephen hawking. Are u really Lewis Hamilton?.
dave 2010 I lived bitch. Uploaded to the cloud.
One point is missing here... The geometry of the car.
Very cheap is to buy a IR thermometer and check the temperature distribution on the tyres.
In case you have too much temperature on the inside you can adjust the camber more positive.
Or more toe in etc.
When I see you car in slow motion I can see that the tyre is deforming, even if the rim looks okay.
Please go on the track and check the temperature distribution!
I would expect min. -0,5s by a professional setup.
A drill with a wire brush and enamel paint would have done wonders to the rear subframe.
Underrated comment. If they are taking smthin out least they could do is brushy brushy and anti rust paint...
Was looking for this comment. After all that job taking the subframe out, then give it some love people.
Agreed, there is no way I could replace any part with out some type of prep. It's the right way of doing any job.
really like how you make a modification then test each time. helps to see the effect of each mod on the car.
Gareth (the person) killed the presenting!! good job dude. Good job Alex too I guess lol
Alex mate, a lil tip for some fine tuning. Upgrading the front and rear anti roll cars can change the car's handling balance quite significantly. Its a good idea to fine tune this setup with damper settings, camber settings and tire pressures. Watch the Slowmo again and you'll see the car understeer at the apex, it appear the front might be abit too stiff with the previous suspension damper settings AND the new anti roll bar. Try to soften the front damper by two clicks to get better turn in. If the problem is oversteer (rear axle) soften the damper by two clicks.
Of course all these takes time but at the end of the series dial all these stuff in and you should be even faster! :))
Btw I'm loving this series! thumbs up if you like it too! :))
I think, better thing than more power is less weight 😊 (like Chapmann said: power give you speed on strights, less weight give you speed everywere) if you throw away an interior, audio and some other things it will be the second best mod after wheel and tyres 😎 one only thing is to keep good mass balance, not only lightened the back end 😉 your tyres will bee thankfoul for that 😜
After that (or before) you need bucket seats and harness.
A friend of mine had a E46 330D saloon. He decatted it, put a large bore exhaust on with manifolds and had a professional remap. Had 340bhp and 600nm. Thing was a beast. Best thing about euro 4 and older diesels is you can remove all the emissions stuff without making the car illegal as cats etc aren't a legal requirement on old diesels
3:38 Chrisfix Quote! 😄
Not really
G. D00RN i heard he got shot by the cops he hasnt uploaded in like 3 month
@@OF01975 do you not follow him on instagram
Trailking yeah thats where i heard it
@@OF01975 he uploaded 3 weeks ago...
I put stiffer front and rear ARB on my old Impreza and it introduced more understeer on turn in. I put the standard front ARB back on and the car was fantabulous. The stiffer rear definitely helped it feel nicer on power coming out of corners. Whether it was faster or not I don’t know, because I didn’t have a maste with a stop watch like you do, but it felt great.
Yeah, the lack of improvement could be down to the change in balance. Could be too much oversteer, leading to inadequate power delivery/exit speed. That's why adjustable sway bars are MUCH better.
yep, on awd and fwd cars especially, uprating the front arb almost does nothing, it keeps the understeery nature of the drivetrain, but what's the fun in that? Planning on putting an uprated rear arb on my 9-5 aero and some fresh front bushings
Rename the title: Do eXtRA THiCCC anti roll bars and bushings improve handling??
nice meme
This is possibly the best series on RUclips right now. Apart from testing the car after installing new performance gear, I'd like to see how much of a difference would a full-time racing driver bring!? I am not talking about Raikkonen, but I am sure you guys can bring a racing driver of some kind for a few laps in Gareth (this sounds awesome ahahah)
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't power flex bushes lifetime guarantee?
This series is basically a guide of how to tune properly (and in the correct order) our car. Very good stuff, guys and thank you for sharing some quality brands that we can trust.
Car throttle is the new top gear !
Proper bush maintenance is key for any relationship to remain enjoyable. 😉
It's all about the girth on the first comment
I love this channel. It's a mix of Top Gear (a bit bonkers), Wheeler Dealers (good mechanical advice) and Fifth Gear (reviews and comparisons). There's great chemistry between everyone and no big egos. It really should be on TV 👍
What we learned with this series? Improve your skills as a driver and you can lower your times without mods :D
Absolutely loving all the content you guys are producing. Keep up the good work Alex!
Hey, why are the tyres from dot 09 ? They are nine years old and the rubber is hard......
How is it whith new tires from this year, they are softer and have better grip and you get a better lap Time i hope...
You mean at 5:38 ? I don't think that is the DOT number indicating the age of the tyres. It would say they were produced in the 92. week of 2009.
@@Erazer666 you are right. A jear has only 52 weeks but in the tyre stand DOT 9209......???
Wow someone got a "bargan" for some 10 year old tires. Lol.
I have a slow E36 318is coupe but after the Turner Motorsports chip, BavAuto sway bars, Hawk HPS pads, blank Brembo rotors, B&G S2 springs, and Koni Str.T shocks and struts, it's been a HUGE improvement.
When will you work on Phil again?
This weekend actually
YES... And thanks for the answer
I only updated the rear anti roll bar on my Audi A6 to make the chassis balance more neutral. It really works... my Audi barge doesn't understeer at all anymore.
SHORT SHIFTER NEXT!!!
e36_sky most overrated "mod"
Wow 😂
You may not notice the larger anti-roll bars, but if you do the poly bushes in the control arms in the front suspension, you WILL notice a difference. At least I did when I put some in my first neon. I actually hated how numb and stiff it felt at first until they wore in a bit and I got used to the new handling characteristics.
Should have taken a longer track
is it worth getting thicker anti-roll bars if you are still on stock suspension?
I want decrease the roll without ruining the ride quality
Next series should be "Can you make a Lancer X faster than an evo x?"
I'd love it.
I would support this [financially, e.g. Patreon] if it included:
1. a legit timing system
2. a legit driver
Edvard Abelvik 3. and a proper track
Mighty Car Mods are doing something similar, with their project car 2Sexy.
Evo x sucks worst evo ever
Smallest differences do biggest changes, so what about clutch stop bolt mod, so you don't over-press clutch and save time, this car uses electric throttle. Sprint booster is proven to increase throttle's responsiveness
REMAP IT!!
WHOS WITH ME???
Really liked the under car footage. Very interesting to see the components under loads. Great series.
Next week: can you improve times if you’re pretty much a racing driver?
I had a set of Hotchkis anti roll bars with polyurethan bushings installed on my Nissan 370Z 6MT sport pkg a couple of years ago. It definitely reduced body roll during cornering and sharpened the turn in approaching corners. The tradeoff was increased ride harshness, but that wasn't a big deal.
Flexation isn't a word Garreth
Love this series. Giving me ideas on next mods for my S2000...
Yasssssssssss. MOAR WAGONZZZZZ.
I really, really, really like this series. Good job Alex & co.
FOR THE LOVE OF CAR GODS! PUT AN LSD IN IT!!!
@Bernhard Jordan haha i see what you did there xD
Thought the same, lsd lap
Sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner rollbars make cars faster, you need a balance not a bunch of parts.
Almost all of the time poly bushes are a huge upgrade (except for on sways), unless there is an issue with bind resulting from a part that is supposed to do more than turn inside the bush.
Sway bar bushes are a tuning component allowing more or less give before the bar comes into full effect. Best to leave them off at first while upgrading the rest of the suspension, then add the polys on the end of the car needing less traction.
What about cosmetic mods ? Like a m3 front end
Pre facelifting a face lift... whats the purpose?
will car go faster? nope so this stuff for kid's
330d is so underrated!! Straight six diesel power!! 🙌🏼🏁
5:38 wtf, DOT 9209???
What about bushes for the steering rack and column? Also new track rod end and new front lower control arms for better ball joint? As that would help steering response and feed back.
Man, those tires are not proper to get a decent time.. you can clearly see at 5:38 the production code is 9209..
92nd week of 2009? :D
daszieher yeah man, a ten yo rubbers.. they better be got it for free though
@@rizawibawa5824 I think you should rethink your answer
Captain even slower my bad, already edited that lol
Human Gareth looks so derpy looking up at the bushing at the one minute mark. I love it
cant wait for when you guys strip the car of the heavy interior
this is supposed to be a track car. who said anything about a daily.
I just did a suspension refresh recently. Not a sports improvement just back to stock standard (it's an msport 330) And the ride quality in terms of comfort is just so great. The bushes certainly helped but it also feels good not to be in a boat anymore (springs and shocks) Haha.
So am I the only one thinking that all they're proving is that these mods are mostly a pointless waste of money? They've made the car stiff and more uncomfortable and that barely made it any faster at all, the bulk of the improvement so far has been from simply fitting better tyres. Making a car corner flatter doesn't always mean it will actually go around the corner faster, even if it might "feel" like it.
BMW knew what they were doing when they set up the suspension and realistically you're not going to do better by just throwing in stiffer aftermarket bits. A decent set of tyres and a remap would have probably shaved off several seconds already.
Sérgio Alves basicamente...num carro usado principalmente para fins desportivos faz algum sentido, em carros de dia a dia e deste tipo (carrinha com motor Diesel) é perda de tempo e estragar o que o carro tem de bom de origem.
You are 100% correct sir. Lower and stiffer is not often faster. Never on bumpy tracks and in wet
Watching the slow motion footage almost shows that the car with the huge bars cause the car to slide out from the apex more; losing time. Knicking that high curb probably adds time. I realize they're trying for shortest distance. Can you dial in the springs/shocks or maybe an alignment suited for this track? Tire pressures? Try a comparison with a more seasoned driver to see if there's a greater difference.
This has been fun to watch.
I'd keep the interior. It's more realistic to what people do to their cars. Who would daily drive a gutted car? It would get old real quick.
Keep up the good work guys.
Tear out most of the interior. and chip it and you got it man :D
You've seen the script for the next 2 episodes or something?!
Haha
Important point from the vid...speed also depends on the driver. good job
Is no one gonna say how garith called the anti roll bar red? That looks orange to me
Strongflex red (race) bushes are meant to be the same hardness as Powerflex black series if i remember rightly and a lot cheaper. That's what i went for all around on my GC8 Impreza and there are really, really good... on good roads. Things start to get a bit twitchy on our roads when you stiffen everything up a lot.
I'm just waiting for weight reduction episode.
There's a heavy item between the seat and steering wheel that could do with replacing
@@8bitnitwit lmao
I just love Ethan's reactions when they improve. Such a funny lad.
Randy pobst next week?
I wish!
12:22 - Although in the 'swaybars' car the driver would be trying harder due to the decreased body roll, it's interesting to note that the top car has considerably less initial understeer and is then neutral coming out of the turn, while the bottom car has more understeer followed by final oversteer requiring opposite lock to negotiate the same turn.
next you should remove some weight from car
Get a limited slip diff. It'll surely improve your launch as well as putting power down better on corner exits.
Weight reduction
Next stage : Drop in K%N air filter, replace Heavy factory muffler with lught aftermarket muffler, Limited slip dfferential. This will result in better traction at start and more power delivery under heavy load, a bit more air comming into the engine/ engine brething a bit better, and 20or so Kg weight reduction. Your best bet would be remowing the interior that is behind the driver, but since his is still a daily driver car that is not an option. Greetings from Slovenia, keep the mad fun series going.
*Weight reduction.*
Another great show. The more I see, the more I like. Can't wait to see the power mods!
My dream car... At least for my first car
I actually bought a 330d after watching this series
I'm planning on remapping it to 250/270hp
the body roll is unpleasant but idk if it's worth £400
I think you guys are trying to stretch the series for another episode by making small improvements😂
Congrats! Love the ending where you compare before and after side by side. Very good
First part of video was actually better without Alex's annoyances
I’m really enjoying this series! One question: why the standing starts on the timed laps? When you’re talking about sub 1 sec improvements, that could all be in the starts.
please just remove some weight it will help with everything
EpicFallDown and it’s for free
yeah but you can't sell weight removal on the carthrottle shop.
I said this last week ! Needs to be done
Give the metal some more time to rust and this thing will be like a McLaren
Love the channel. Before you add power you should fit a limited slip diff so you can put the power to the road, corner exit speeds will vastly improve as you are able to go on the power sooner.
Please just strip the damn car and the lap time will drop dramatically....
a bit unfair as the E92 M3 wasn't stripped down also
also unfair to people that don't have such wagons in their markets and that drool at the idea of having this car
@@thegreatfalcon5 what? How do you not have this car on your market? Where are you from? Mars?
The Shark Canada but as far as I know we didn't get the E46 wagon diesel... only the gas sedans and wagons
oh, I see, i'm sorry dude..
I'm not really a fan of diesel cars, i think you'd be better off with a gas one, but heck, do your thing
This does only help on a race track or a new paved road. My car had progressive lowering coil springs on it when I bought it, that shit was the first I changed to standard springs as the car was bouncing of the road in the corners. Could increase the speed a lot with longer travel and softer springs on our bumpy roads.
Would be interesting to see what time you would get with a 5 cm lift and slightly larger offroad tires and then cut the corners instead.
The tyres may be good but you definitely lose at least 2mph just on how ugly those rims are.
I know this is your show, however, I think next time you decide to do something like this, start with the bushings first, please? The reason I say this, you could have seen just how much difference is made when replacing old rubber bushings with new poly. bushings. This could have been a great way to see if any difference was made with the poly. bushings with the suspension still stock, and you would have gotten one of the hardest mods out of the way first as well. I know personally what a difference going from worn out bushings to new stock replacements is like, but I would love to have seen the difference made going from the rubber bushings to the poly. ones. At that point, everything else you changed would likely have done even more to lower times.