Reminds me of a car sales job. Matt's a robot, ball goes everywhere, all that matters is speed. Miles away from the support you get from Chris Voshal with Mizuno.
He’s got to figure how to sell the club that’s not much different than last year with drivers that are the same among manufacturers except sound and feel
Really interesting watching Matts reaction to these Drivers. He can visualize the tweaks he wants to make with the Callaway, Ping and Cobra back in the TXG fitting bay to make them play. There wasn't that dialog here with the TM, very telling.
It's interesting watching a bunch of videos back-to-back. It seems like the Stealth2s are a bit squirrely, and produce a lot more variation in shot shape, wider dispersion etc. They may be more forgiving than last year's Stealth, but these do not appear to be forgiving at all. Different strike locations produce such different results.
@@j10browngmail the lack of spin on the 2nd and 3rd shot is what made the ball curve more even though the face and path were in a similar position. you need enough spin to keep the ball in the air, lack of spin causes it to dive out of the air and the curve to be quite a bit more aggressive
I'm a pro taylormade guy, own a stealth myself. However, the consistency of spin across the face was non-existent, like one 5 mm low was 3100 and 5 mm high was 1900. He was breaching ball speed consistency, but it they're spinning 1000 rpm apart that doesn't really matter.
stealth driver last year easily the worst i owned. 2 cap. after many different drivers, all much more consistent than the stealth plus i ended up with tsr2.
my stealth plus cracked from the fade bias part of the weight slide to the crown of the club. I took my new stealth plus in the box to a golf shop and traded it for a tsr3 and I'm never looking at another brand. titleist is the right balance of looks feel and distance so if I were you, if you want distance look and feel go titleist
I hope TaylorMade ends the carbon experiment next year. These drivers are 10-15 yards shorter then other drivers we've seen the boys test, and the dispersion is all over the place in comparison too.
Same thing as last year where the regular head performed better than the plus. But everyone buys the plus. Don’t know why. I went with the regular stealth last year and love it. No plans to upgrade and don’t think this new version is enough for anyone to upgrade.
@@deanstauffer6274 Should be. PGA Superstore said embargo day was the 10th so I believe reviews are out and testing is available today as well as stores
Hopefully they fixed the manufacturing issues - 90% of my friend’s Stealth drivers have issues where the face meets the frame. Most of the time there’s an offset similar to an iPhone case which makes the club hit the tee before the ball. In others, the insert sits at an angle.
Man this just makes me want to find the time to go to my uncles and fit my bag. I was playing my best golf last year, but feel like there is always room for a little tuning to bring my game up to that next level.
M2 better than m2 2nd gen M3 better than m4 M5. Better than m6 Sim better than sim 2 Stealth better than stealth 2 A bit of a trend Just my opinion and observations
This is why coming out with a new driver every year doesn’t make sense. Much more respect for Ping and Titleist where you can actually see change from generation to generation. Total miss for Taylormade.
Every stealth that we had in our group of golf buddies had the face fall off last year. TM said the new ones would be fixed. I didn’t hear what the fix was in this video?
I work in a golf shop, and not a single person in an entire year has come back with any stealth face problems in the slightest. Stop trying to stir up shit
@@aidangriffiths5075 I have pictures and documents to prove it. Too bad I don’t know how to post them on here. Numbers were great with them but they don’t hold up.
Listen man. I've got a club in development right now that will put up 575 yards consistently with 160mph ball speed. I'm using a patent pending technology with over 17 million dollars worth of R&D into this thing. Last week I called my nan in to hit a few balls. She's never hit a ball before in her life and first shot off the tee she was hitting 300-310 up the middle. What would you be willing to pay for something like that?
People are mentioning Epoxy issues with the Graphite face, why aren't these being addressed,. I'm not upgrading for a few years (driver) so it will be interesting to see how it pans out (graphite/epoxy). i won't be getting a TM though.
Too bad they won't let you test the Tiger face that they put in those drivers. I guess it's going to be a loooonnnnggg year for TM. Price and old product that is just as good doesn't equate to sales.
The carbon face is glued to a Titanium frame and that will cause issues until thats not the case. The best epoxy in the world wont hold up to a welded titanium face. Im sure Taylormade are working their hardest to have a completely compossit head, apart from the weights. But carbon , from what i understand is quite brittle and hence the crown and face cant all be one piece. I read a lot of comments on reviews that say, if you repeatedly het into the high 170's for ball speed, then the face will break, its a case of if not when. Kokrak and DJ played the original plus and both have cracked the face. If TM backed this with a 3 year warranty rather than 1, id get one. But i wouldn't go near the 2nd hand market for these.
I think this is the least exciting out of all the new drivers announced. The Paradym, G430 and TSR(I know it’s a couple months old6 series seem to be the most exciting
It seems like taylormade is only focused on total distance and disregards everything else. I dont care about hitting it 300 yards when im missing fairways with the driver dispersion
Amen! I hope you're playing any Ping Driver then. G430, G425, G410 which I'm still in for the foreseeable future. Ping makes the most forgiving, fairway finding drivers in the game. Long as you have a pretty good swing
Yikes this appears to be a solid bed-soiling from Taylormade. Spin all over the place, launch inconsistent, 3 of the best just struggling to make it work.
There’s no bullshitting people here, especially with the new Callaway, Ping and Titleist drivers absolutely killing it they’ve really not done a good job at TaylorMade with this one from early signs…. I hope TaylorMade put more of an effort into the next one… I do love TaylorMade woods but this doesn’t seem very good compared to the rest of the big brands… Honestly looks like a sim2 on steroids…
I realize you all are in the business of fitting and selling clubs so it may make sense for you, but I really don't like the review videos where someone from the brand is there next to you as you test...
1.43-1.44 smash factor. 2 iron numbers. Almost like they should have went back to Titanium but won't because of hype from the first one they'd be putting their foot in their mouth
Foresight tends to measure clubhead speed a little bit faster than trackman does. Most of their videos with driver you’ll see this kind of smash factor
@@vidyuththattai1030 broke 2 stealth heads 2 different demo days. junk. maybe for slow swing speeds they produce 1.48. i get 1.5-1.52 Krank Golf Formula Fire LD 6 degree adjustable.
I am done with 'Carbon Woods' I traded off my SIM and SIM2 drivers for Titleist TSI3 driver + 3W. So, I was hitting balls at the range a few weeks ago and an Asian dude plopped down next to me with the Stealth Driver and his own personal launch monitor. The monitor barked out the yardage after each shot, 210, 215,220. 224 was his longest drive. What a waste of $$$. 224 from a Stealth driver, you have to be kidding me. The man was kidding himself. He could have done just as well with a $200 M3 driver.
I thought you were gonna say that you handed him your driver and he picked up 30 yards, but since you didn't, then I will assume that maybe that yardage was long or average for him.
Ball speed Ball Speed Ball Ball speed Ball Speed Ball Ball speed Ball Speed Ball blah blah blah blah. trottie kept going back to it when it is obvious that what Taylormade has released this year is a total failure
Reminds me of a car sales job. Matt's a robot, ball goes everywhere, all that matters is speed. Miles away from the support you get from Chris Voshal with Mizuno.
Trottie overselling the shit out of this, that’s unusual
Exactly my thoughts he was pushing hard!
He sounded desperate. Lots of BS in there as usual, but deep down he probably knows this club is very average.
He’s got to figure how to sell the club that’s not much different than last year with drivers that are the same among manufacturers except sound and feel
Nice to see SIM2 with a facelift.
That was the first thing I said when I saw color photos. SIM2 with moveable weights.
@@TLRChad so the sim
😂😂😂 FACTS! 🙌🏾
Taylormade: "It's the carbonwood revolution. Drivers will never be the same again."
Immediately makes a driver identical to the previous model 😆
It really looks identical with different colors
Would love to see the driver bracket return to the channel.
Really interesting watching Matts reaction to these Drivers. He can visualize the tweaks he wants to make with the Callaway, Ping and Cobra back in the TXG fitting bay to make them play. There wasn't that dialog here with the TM, very telling.
Still not seeing anything that is going to unseat the TSR lineup from Titleist. Fast and forgiving...looks great and sounds great.
It's interesting watching a bunch of videos back-to-back. It seems like the Stealth2s are a bit squirrely, and produce a lot more variation in shot shape, wider dispersion etc. They may be more forgiving than last year's Stealth, but these do not appear to be forgiving at all. Different strike locations produce such different results.
I"m with you, I see the inconsistency of ball flight. first 3 shots almost dead center on strike and they all had different ball flights.
That’s the delivery and face angle
@@j10browngmail the lack of spin on the 2nd and 3rd shot is what made the ball curve more even though the face and path were in a similar position. you need enough spin to keep the ball in the air, lack of spin causes it to dive out of the air and the curve to be quite a bit more aggressive
I'm a pro taylormade guy, own a stealth myself. However, the consistency of spin across the face was non-existent, like one 5 mm low was 3100 and 5 mm high was 1900. He was breaching ball speed consistency, but it they're spinning 1000 rpm apart that doesn't really matter.
You should watch and listen to Rick Shiels review of Stealth2 on RUclips.
stealth driver last year easily the worst i owned. 2 cap. after many different drivers, all much more consistent than the stealth plus i ended up with tsr2.
even Trottie is sick of drinking the Kool-Aid
Hard pass here. Looking forward to testing Ping, Titleist and Cobra
I absolutely love my TSR2
my stealth plus cracked from the fade bias part of the weight slide to the crown of the club. I took my new stealth plus in the box to a golf shop and traded it for a tsr3 and I'm never looking at another brand. titleist is the right balance of looks feel and distance so if I were you, if you want distance look and feel go titleist
Yeah... not sold on the carbon face. Super happy to still be gaming my SIM2 after 2 years.
I hope TaylorMade ends the carbon experiment next year. These drivers are 10-15 yards shorter then other drivers we've seen the boys test, and the dispersion is all over the place in comparison too.
Same thing as last year where the regular head performed better than the plus. But everyone buys the plus. Don’t know why. I went with the regular stealth last year and love it. No plans to upgrade and don’t think this new version is enough for anyone to upgrade.
After watching this, it really highlights how Callaway is separating from the pack this year so far
So it’s an unreliable Sim2, for double the price which you’ll need to send back for a new face after 6 months? 😢
Can't wait to see the TSR out drive it...
M2 og all day
This is the big one! Excited to see this and the fairways. Can’t wait for the g430 series videos in a couple of hours
Callaway looks to be winning the driverbattle this year…. By a mile!
Are the G30 reviews coming out today??
@@deanstauffer6274 Should be. PGA Superstore said embargo day was the 10th so I believe reviews are out and testing is available today as well as stores
Thank you for letting me know…. Very excited for the ping review!
@@deanstauffer6274 same! Driver I’ve been looking forward to the most!
Still doesn’t hold a candle to TSR. The difference between superior engineering and trying to sell folks an annual facelift. 👍
Hopefully they fixed the manufacturing issues - 90% of my friend’s Stealth drivers have issues where the face meets the frame. Most of the time there’s an offset similar to an iPhone case which makes the club hit the tee before the ball. In others, the insert sits at an angle.
This is the year to bring back the driver bracket! So many good ones this year
can't wait for the black out version in 6 months for 900 bucks lol
x Kith for 4k 😂
I am pretty sure the stealth 2 creative team never came back to the office
I mean, it’s a deeply unattractive club. 😂
Not to mention the club is not performing well
@@jfranklin8190 It just doesn't worth every penny of your money.
Man this just makes me want to find the time to go to my uncles and fit my bag. I was playing my best golf last year, but feel like there is always room for a little tuning to bring my game up to that next level.
It looks a little better than last year's model but it still looks like it belongs in a package set.
Would it be Slazenger or Top Flight?
What he didn’t mention was, they didn’t use a better epoxy on the face.
Ian has said what Trottie said here... 2nd generation is always a new level. I'm really curious to see how Stealth 2 stands up.
The Finau sweater cracks me up
M2 better than m2 2nd gen
M3 better than m4
M5. Better than m6
Sim better than sim 2
Stealth better than stealth 2
A bit of a trend
Just my opinion and observations
This is why coming out with a new driver every year doesn’t make sense. Much more respect for Ping and Titleist where you can actually see change from generation to generation. Total miss for Taylormade.
To be fair you really aren't seeing any change even with a 2 year cycle.
@@kourt2469 sound improvement and with little to no improvement it’s worth it in my eyes.
Every stealth that we had in our group of golf buddies had the face fall off last year. TM said the new ones would be fixed. I didn’t hear what the fix was in this video?
I work in a golf shop, and not a single person in an entire year has come back with any stealth face problems in the slightest. Stop trying to stir up shit
@@aidangriffiths5075 I have pictures and documents to prove it. Too bad I don’t know how to post them on here. Numbers were great with them but they don’t hold up.
Trottie is the world's greatest snake oil salesman
Looking forward to independent comparison videos in the studio
Still play M2 and have tried all the new ones from TM, never been any better. I guess if you swing 115+ may be worth the upgrade.
Looks like a huge miss from TaylorMade after seeing the offerings from Callaway and Cobra this year.
💯
I am tired of all the CARBON. I went to Titleist TSI3.
Love the honesty here.
Ian likes working with Trottie because Ian is taller than him. :)
Funny you say that. From years of watching videos I thought he was a smaller guy, but meeting him in person he's actually about 6'1 and built.
I don't think taylormade understands that spin = control. They could take a page out of Rocco Mediate's book.
Im pretty sure the stealth was great on off centre hits anyway
Red sim 2 with carbon. Not like that’s a problem but we really need a burner or speeder remake
Trottie definitely put his nose out there and hijacked the show a bit….wanted to get Ian and MattieBoy’s take on it, since it’s their show…
Love TM, want a Stealth Driver in the bag, but I was praying the leaks were fake....because this is just not it
$600 for a driver with no more distance than any other club maker and maybe the worst dispersion on the market right now. 🤔
Listen man. I've got a club in development right now that will put up 575 yards consistently with 160mph ball speed. I'm using a patent pending technology with over 17 million dollars worth of R&D into this thing. Last week I called my nan in to hit a few balls. She's never hit a ball before in her life and first shot off the tee she was hitting 300-310 up the middle. What would you be willing to pay for something like that?
so many negative comments lol. TM does this every year guys... Get used to it lmao!
Trottie and Ian collaborating is the best content on RUclips.
We going to see some autoflex on the stealth 2 boys??
TSR blows Stealth 2 out of the water it’s honestly not even close.
How so?
Rick Shiels doesn’t think it’s to forgiving 🙊 , better looking driver that’s about it, Go for Aerojet 😏
People are mentioning Epoxy issues with the Graphite face, why aren't these being addressed,. I'm not upgrading for a few years (driver) so it will be interesting to see how it pans out (graphite/epoxy). i won't be getting a TM though.
Too bad they won't let you test the Tiger face that they put in those drivers. I guess it's going to be a loooonnnnggg year for TM. Price and old product that is just as good doesn't equate to sales.
The carbon face is glued to a Titanium frame and that will cause issues until thats not the case. The best epoxy in the world wont hold up to a welded titanium face. Im sure Taylormade are working their hardest to have a completely compossit head, apart from the weights. But carbon , from what i understand is quite brittle and hence the crown and face cant all be one piece. I read a lot of comments on reviews that say, if you repeatedly het into the high 170's for ball speed, then the face will break, its a case of if not when. Kokrak and DJ played the original plus and both have cracked the face. If TM backed this with a 3 year warranty rather than 1, id get one. But i wouldn't go near the 2nd hand market for these.
Seems like Callaway is stealing the show this year best testing so far - “Paradym Shift”
Ian is falling in love 😂
do you have to get it replaced after 6 months of use when the face wears out?
"Classic red face" ... well it's been a year or so!
Another season in og sim then.
Why is Matt's swing speed so slow in this video? Why isn't he crushing them like when he did in the driver shootout videos?
I think this is the least exciting out of all the new drivers announced. The Paradym, G430 and TSR(I know it’s a couple months old6 series seem to be the most exciting
Not a fan of shiny clubs- matte finish custom perhaps?
Do you guys like the PXG 0311 gen 6 or stealth 2 plus better?
How about not making it look like the sim 2 or carbon popping off the face. I’m a fan of Taylormade but the stealth and stealth 2 is a no go.
Not sure I would refer to the red face as "classic"......
Seems like spin consistency is nonexistent.
It seems like taylormade is only focused on total distance and disregards everything else. I dont care about hitting it 300 yards when im missing fairways with the driver dispersion
Amen! I hope you're playing any Ping Driver then. G430, G425, G410 which I'm still in for the foreseeable future. Ping makes the most forgiving, fairway finding drivers in the game. Long as you have a pretty good swing
it looks like the same exact tech in the driver just looks different
Yikes this appears to be a solid bed-soiling from Taylormade. Spin all over the place, launch inconsistent, 3 of the best just struggling to make it work.
Trottie has the Finau ugly sweater from the masters last year!
Mistake using the Ventus blue vs a Blue TR. having hit both TR is way more stable.
I just find TXG on club review skipping everyone else
There’s no bullshitting people here, especially with the new Callaway, Ping and Titleist drivers absolutely killing it they’ve really not done a good job at TaylorMade with this one from early signs…. I hope TaylorMade put more of an effort into the next one… I do love TaylorMade woods but this doesn’t seem very good compared to the rest of the big brands… Honestly looks like a sim2 on steroids…
let’s go
I still don’t understand why TM even created this driver. Inconsistent
I realize you all are in the business of fitting and selling clubs so it may make sense for you, but I really don't like the review videos where someone from the brand is there next to you as you test...
Trottie needs to sell sell sell
My TSR2 looks better each week.
Not a Trottie fan and the shirt he wears doesnt help 😂…. Also, take a breath, he could talk the ears off an Elephant!
Gotta love trottie
I’m sorry… did he say “classic red look of the face”? 😂
my 2 year old ping g425 max > anything taylormade has done since it turns to carbon faces
Trottie is the best man.
1.43-1.44 smash factor. 2 iron numbers. Almost like they should have went back to Titanium but won't because of hype from the first one they'd be putting their foot in their mouth
Foresight tends to measure clubhead speed a little bit faster than trackman does. Most of their videos with driver you’ll see this kind of smash factor
@@vidyuththattai1030 broke 2 stealth heads 2 different demo days. junk. maybe for slow swing speeds they produce 1.48. i get 1.5-1.52 Krank Golf Formula Fire LD 6 degree adjustable.
Watched a couple of reviews on this and it doesn’t seem to be worth it, seems to be a disappointment.
2023 the worst driver release ever even Taylormade are struggling to hype this up
This is a car crash
Just a paint job
Just a paint job would be a good thing. They’ve made it worse!
The person who designed that horrid Nike sweater should be fired and forced to wear it every day for the rest of their life.
Looks like another bad year for the TM driver
Not a fan
So now the RUclips channel name has been changed as well..
I am done with 'Carbon Woods' I traded off my SIM and SIM2 drivers for Titleist TSI3 driver + 3W.
So, I was hitting balls at the range a few weeks ago and an Asian dude plopped down next to me with the Stealth Driver and his own personal launch monitor. The monitor barked out the yardage after each shot, 210, 215,220. 224 was his longest drive. What a waste of $$$. 224 from a Stealth driver, you have to be kidding me. The man was kidding himself. He could have done just as well with a $200 M3 driver.
I thought you were gonna say that you handed him your driver and he picked up 30 yards, but since you didn't, then I will assume that maybe that yardage was long or average for him.
@@jasonh37 No he was a righty, I am a lefty.
This club ain’t performing well…interesting
They filmed these like a month ago wait for it in the bay.
@@BasedHadrian cause we play from the bay...
@@BasedHadrian go check out Rick’s review on a sim and on the course. Absolutely awful results
Need a proper fitting for it
“You’ve got that classic red face…”
There’s nothing classic about this club. Just because you made a red face a year ago doesn’t make it a classic.
3 mins into an 11 min video and mr salesman finally stops his machine gun pitch. Total turn off.
Ball speed Ball Speed Ball Ball speed Ball Speed Ball Ball speed Ball Speed Ball blah blah blah blah. trottie kept going back to it when it is obvious that what Taylormade has released this year is a total failure
Wow, this guy needs to go sell used cars and get off this TM club intro.