How many Pokemon beat Bugsy without Optional Battles? - Episode 2
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Minimum Battles is the ultimate challenge. 165 Pokemon beat Falkner on Minimum Battles, but now it's time to find out how they do against Rival 2 and Bugsy!
On my main channel @RBYPokemonChallenges , I have already completed this challenge with all 151 Pokemon on Gen 1, but Gen 2 presents a massively different challenge - sleep and Wrap were nerfed, there's no Gen 1 miss (1/256 glitch), and all the trainers have better AI. But Minimum Battles might just be possible with some effort and ingenuity.
Today's challengers:
Butterfree,
Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot,
Raticate,
Fearow,
Arbok,
Pikachu, Raichu,
Sandshrew, SandSlash,
Furret,
Noctowl,
Ledian,
Pichu
Always a joy to see GSC Pokemon Challenges upload
Thank you Philip, as always. Your support is incredible!
When Squidgy was running Fearow, I remember him going into Bugsys gym and saying .... "Fearow just sees LUNCH!" Haha
Free eats, for sure!
Checking your channel every day for a new video😅. Getting addicted 💯
Appreciate you watching!
This is one of those series that makes me want to replicate it just so I don’t have to wait for the next episode. Keep up the good work
I think some folks are actually doing that. Pregaming/rechecking some of the runs themselves. It's awesome!
Always a great day when you upload Appreciate this Series!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Glad you enjoy it!
I know some youtuber (can't remember who) programs the game so that the spinners never look at the player.
Yeah I believe Scotts Thoughts used a ROM hack to do it. I am saying vanilla Crystal, just with the starters changed in the Ultimate Pokemon randomizer
Takes me so many days to power through these lol. It's delightful
For sure. I don't really feel like I could cut too much more out of these, so they end up rather long. Appreciate you watching!
I really like that you use double team as a level up move because frankly people have added faaaar too many arbitrary rules to these games already.
Evasion is a status in the game. It’s literally part of the gameplay on purpose. Using EVERY tool at your disposal is an important part of creating an accurate representation of a Pokémon and their viability.
Basically this. I agree with not just adding it to every Pokemon and spamming, but I never take away level-up moves in my challenges.
Heck yes! Excited to see more brudda!! I love it because it's 6 AM and I can't fall back asleep, hah
I posted after I finished work here in Japan, but yeah, makes sense it's early morning elsewhere lol
@@GSCPokemonChallenges I actually really like the timing of all the vids from you so I certainly don't mind it being at like 6 AM EST here, works for me! 👍
6 AM group rise upppp! Always a joy to see you upload.
Thank you!
Just here to say I respect and appreciate that you use evasion level up moves
Like I said, I don't think it's fair or interesting to spam with every Pokemon but for Pikachu, we have to allow it
Fun fact bugsys sister is champion of the reborn region
Shelly gets inspired by YOU the protagonists BRAVERY and the fact her friend got kidnapped by team meteor
Shes a notoriously hard gym despite being a badge 3 out of 18
Shelly uses a BUG GYM n rain dance to cover her bug weakness n silver wind n ancientpower and hydro pump on masquerain to cover ALL BASES of weakness
Shelly eventually tags along n learns from YOU N SAPHIRA the virtues of bravery n not being her scared self
Shelly eventually DEFEATS YOU using her scizor forretress and heracross n yanmega A CALL BACK to her brother BUGSY of azalea to BECOME POKÉMON CHAMPION
I can give out a ton more lore as i actually pay attention n remember a ton of these stories even from several years ago when i last read them
Wow, that is the first time I've heard about that. II need to look into the lore further!
Umm id suggest using pzncureberry for bugsy or james koffing grunt found in front of mr Pokémon house to avoid poison by kakuna
Paralysis cure berry is found just outside violet city n it helps with rival 2
Yeah, I have both but didn't really test them enough.....
Heads-up: Pink Bow actually boosts Struggle damage. Gen 2 continues in the proud tradition to consider it a Normal-type move albeit one without a type effectiveness check (thx goes to Snowy).
Yeah, I am familiar with that from the Snowy video. We will exploit it if needed
I ASKED ABOUT THE LOWEST BASE STATS! YAY! THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING!
Aw yeah! I still need to double check, but I think Pidgey might be the one
@@GSCPokemonChallenges Pichu 205, Igglybuff(struggled) 210, Cleffa 218, Zubat 245, Pidgey 251.
Babies and zubat are lower
SPOILER for quick recaps...
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Ledian: Too much luck is required with Supersonic and it gets punished too hard for when luck goes wrong. FAIL
Butterfree: Access to a fairly strong Confusion combined with good status luck allows Butterfree to get by both Bugsy, and then Sleep Powder trivializes Rival 2. PASS
Noctowl: The first of the birds to eat Bugsy's bugs for lunch. Solid stats and STAB Peck then make Rival 2 easy as well. PASS
Fearow: See Noctowl, albeit some bad luck from Zubat's Supersonic can slow it down a bit. PASS
Pidgeot: See Noctowl. PASS
Pidgeotto: See Noctowl. PASS
Pidgey: See Noctowl, albeit only barely getting through Rival 2. PASS
Furret: Can learn Swift and Mud-Slap to easily dispatch of Rival 2, after which it has the power to beat Bugsy. PASS
Raticate: Hyper Fang bites through Bugsy and Rival 2 with ease. PASS
Arbok: Poisoning Scyther with Poison Sting provides some extra damage to get through Bugsy with little issue, and Rival 2 isn't any harder. PASS
Raichu: Thunderbolt easily takes care of Bugsy and is enough to deal with Rival 2 even with Bayleef resisting the move. PASS
Pikachu: Low defenses and only Thundershock gives Pikachu some issues even against a Rocket grunt, and needs some luck against Bugsy to not get attacked, either from paralysis or inexplicable Leers. After that, it learns Double Team by level-up and can cheese Rival 2. PASS
Pichu: Pikachu had enough trouble with the first Rocket grunt in the well; Pichu has even more trouble, and can't even get into the gym. FAIL
Sandslash: Can use Mud-Slap against Kakuna to reduce its chances to poison Sandslash, and then Sand-Attack to disrupt Scyther's Fury Cutter. Rival 2 can be cheesed with Mud-Slap against Croconaw, but would Bayleef be harder? The world may never know. PASS
Sandshrew: Can barely get past Bugsy with help from Mud-Slap, Sand-Attack, and Swift, but ultimately, Rival 2's Croconaw is just too much for Sandshrew, and one could imagine Bayleef would be much worse. FAIL
Final Results:
PASS: 12
FAIL: 3
We will need to revisit a couple of Pokemon here, specifically Sandslash versus Bayleef and a redo of Pichu. Thank you as always for incredible recaps!
So mostly what I predicted. Pidgey did surprise me though. And Sandslash was a lot closer that I thought it would be, it definitely would have failed against Bayleaf. Are you seeing why Bayleaf is considered his strongest team yet? I did notice a possible abusable AI quirk: as soon as you did anything to cut his consistency whether it was paralysis or accuracy Bugsy immediately stopped using fury cutter. I wonder if Whitney has the same AI property. Your normal/flying types will hit several problems soon. Obviously the cow, but just wait... Rival 3 adds a magnemite to his team and then there's this girl with a Steelix who is waiting to meet you if you get that far. And IIRC the worst base stat total that got by falkner... I'm pretty sure it is Pichu :D
Predictions for next time:
Nidorina/queen/rino/king - probably fine. They're not up against Bayleaf and resist fury cutter. Also all of them learn mud-slap.
Nidoran(M) - this one is iffy. It has horn attack for damage and mud-slap for accuracy but IDK if it has the stats to get by. It's not weak to the rival so I'll guess it passes for now.
Clefable - Passes. STAB swift and good stats. Plus Metronome if things go really wrong it can try to blow itself up.
Clefairy - Probably still passes. Sing strats probably needed but has the same tools as Clefable with worse stats
Cleffa - Babys have bad stats. Still it gets sing so maybe
Wigglytuff/Jigglypuff - I think these two get by just fine. Sing strats obviously
Igglybuff - Maybe. Does sing overcome baby stats?
Ninetails - Roast bugs anyone? Confuse ray for the rival. Passes
Vulpix - Gets by Bugsy easy. The rival? It may need to rely on its Hypnosis failsafe though since it doesn't get mud slap and won't have confuse ray yet. Burn strats? I'm guessing fails without its egg move, passes with it.
Togetic - Passes - STAB swift, metronome if it gets stuck. Only question is how many kabooms you roll before you get a good move
Xatu - Probably gets by this section. I expect this one to fail soon though. Xatu is jealous of many Gen 1 level up movesets.
Lanturn - Our first fully evolved water type without Mud-Slap. I think Bayleaf might win this one, but Lanturn will have both supersonic and flail. So there's a chance.
Chinchou - Probably fails at Bayleaf. Would need the world's best confusion luck to have a chance.
All fair arguments. I mentioned previously in the Falkner section that I originally thought the Feraligatr would be tougher overall, so I did a lot of the early runs against that Rival. Switched to Bayleaf as the series went on.
Yeah, I noticed that Bugsy adjusts his strategy, and I assume that will be a theme on some trainers as we progress.
Awesome predictions for next time. zo think sleep proves generally to be OP, Normal and flying STAB is OP, and you're probably right on Chinchou....
the gastly 4x resisting fury cutter could give it enough turns to let sandshrew 1 hit the croconaw maybe
I will test this put, as well as some Paralyze Cure Berry action on Ledian
This video was awesome like always it really made my day and I was eagerly awaiting it.
That's awesome, glad it made your day better!
Birds? Not a problem.
Up until the deadly cow comes out to play in the very next gym. Good luck.
Yeah, it's really Whitney that looks scary. But Rival 2 and Bugsy are starting to put in some work
Im sad you haven't reached 2,000 subscribers yet. Criminal. You are doing really work man!
Thank you! Not too bothered, though, we'll get there!
For one, he's no RBYPokemonChallenges. For two he doesn't live stream. The only reason I subscribed to that RBY guy is so I can comment during his live streams.
I predict 11 winners this time around.
We shall see!
Was close! I thought either Pidgey or Pikachu would get picked off, but they both held on. I suspect both will find a way around Whitney as well with Accuracy strats and Clefairy mostly being a non-threat. Looking forward to it.
I think sandshrew and pichu don’t make it but everyone else should have a fair shot
You're onto something!
Yeah, on Pokemon which are close to losing to Croconaw (like Sandslash), they might not beat Bayleef.
Agreed. It's probably worth going back to retest it.
This is never gonna be RBY Pokémon Challenges!!!
Just you wait and see 😂
True, these runs are done exclusively in Generation II.
There was no reason to bother to Struggle with Ledian. It doesn't matter if you get through Gastly more quickly - Quilava is straight-up impossible without confusion, Ember is 100% accurate and you can't outdamage him even with perfect crit luck. I think you should dismiss Struggle as an option unless the Rival's ace doesn't have a super effective move.
(Mind you, I don't think any Pokémon will successfully Struggle period. But absolutely not when being hit with super effective moves.)
Butterfree learning Sleep Powder before Rival 2? Yeah, it's through. Sleep OP. It might even be lucky enough to make it through Whitney.
Pidgey is kind of a surprise, but only kind of...it actually kind of shocked me that its stats really aren't that much lower than Fearow's, except for Attack. In fact Fearow's stats were pretty comparable to Pidegotto rather than Pidgeot. And I think Fearow might struggle more going forward, and I don't know if it'll learn Drill Peck fast enough to save it. Meanwhile, the Pidgey line is at least going to have a chance with Sand Attack, and while Pidgey probably won't make it through Whitney, I think Pidegotto might have enough bulk to have a chance.
See, you're thinking this is easier than expected, but I think that the Pokémon you've run so far are the ones that were already among the higher probabilities to get through. Up to where I've watched (through Arbok), you've had mostly Pokémon with no weakness to Bugsy and no weakness to Rival 2's ace, apart from Ledian and Butterfree - and the latter had sleep. In the previous episode, you always had weaknesses to deal with, and there were struggles with several of those Pokémon due to that, but they get the advantage of extra levels. And you've got a lot more Pokémon with weaknesses left to come, which I think are going to start balancing out those ratios somewhat. Particularly with anything Rock or Ground type, which tend to have low Special Defense and will probably suffer hard against Bayleef. I'm actually not sure that more than one of the last five Pokémon get through.
...Well, I said that, but I forgot Pikachu got Double Team. Okay, maybe two.
Oh, wait, you went up against Croconaw for Sandslash? You really gave it way too much help, Bayleef would have been a far tougher challenge. Razor Leaf is significantly stronger, a crit could maybe have been a OHKO.
Yeah, I think your spot on that Fearow is not going to be nearly as good as Noctowl, which gets Hypnosis now, and Pidgeot which has more rounded stats and Sand Attack out of the box. Return might save the Fearow in the next section though.
I can also agree with the general premise pm not having type weaknesses on this episode, it made a huge difference. Also, we should absolutely have gone with Bayleaf for Sandslash. I went Croconaw because I mistakenly thought back at the beginning of the series that that would be the toughest rival.. I plan to go back and retest Sandy against Leafosaurus.
I hear what people are saying about starting from the first evo to the last being more efficient. If pidgey can clear, surely pidgeot can.
But just because it’s more efficient doesn’t necessarily make it better. In my opinion, it would negatively impact the viewing experience. That line, for instance, would have been far less interesting to watch.
I agree. I like going in order of increasing difficulty personally, so while sure there will be some really easy ones, it's nice to develop strategies there that might work for the unevolved forms.
How about a race between a normal/psychic Stantler and a normal/dark Girafarig.
That sounds amazing!
@@GSCPokemonChallenges And the Girafarig could be called Twoface
Have you asked Scott about his anti-spinner technology. It seems like something that would save you a lot of headaches in this series
II would need his rom hack and then to update the overlay to work with the changes made to it. A lot of work considering that Spinners are primarily focused between here and Morty.
I do think you should go agaisnt Bayleef as default. I assume Raticate and Furret would still get through, but Sandslash would be in far worse shape. I think it is too easy otherwise
Yeah, early on in Falkner I thought that Totodile would be harder, but it's definitely Bayleaf. I will plan to go back and retest some runs
Please algorithm, bless this video so all may witness Bugsy's destruction 🙏
Bugsy will be destroyed, even pigeon s need to feed
It saddens me the lack of getting swifty puns
Lol, missed opportunity for sure!
I, PKMNwww411 MkII aka Marbleous Racing requested Elekid with Cross Chop, but it'll be on the episode with Electabuzz.
Pichu's Thundershock does 7-8 damage per hit on the Rattatas which is not enotgh to 3 hit KO. Swift can do 8-9 damage per hit because Pichu's Attack is 1 point higher than its Spcl. Atk. Pichu's speed is 1 point slower than Rattata, so pray to RNGesus and hope this works. Replace Thunder Wave with Swift.
I will give this a try. If I get it to go, I'll add it on to episode 3. Thanks for the advice!
Pikachu was always one of my least favourite pokemon but I need to defend double team. Via TM its obviously cheesy and too broken but since the electric mouse is so weak and Game freak clearly designed him to be played this way I thinks its only fair to use the move in this format when its on learnset.
That's where I'm coming from. fortunately unlike Gen 1, we can't just buy Double Team at the department store after the 2nd Gym, which is what was truly broken in Gen 1. But moves like Double Team and Minimize aren't learned by many Pokemon naturally, so they feel a little more like a unique strategy in this setting.
Did something bug out during the Ledian run? In the fight at Slowpoke well it's Attack stat actually dropped when it leveled up. It goes from 19 down to 18, and then up to 20 when it levels up again in front of Bugsy. Just wondering if that is an overlay thing or an in game thing that could affect runs.
Edit: The Attack stat then jumps up to 22 once Metapod comes out in the Bugsy fight
That is odd. Let me look back at it, because it could be an issue with the overlay.....
Sandslah would learn the TM for bugsy so I think bayleaf would not do well
I think it would have come down to Mudslap luck, but with the speed advantage it might have been possible either way
This videos are so interesting, but I do have suggestion to make them even better. I would prefer you speed through or go faster with some of the pokemon that most of us know wouldn't struggle. I feel like the concept is good, but I find myself skipping around to the more interesting mons like Pikachu.
For sure. This episode in particular had a lot of obvious wins, especially after you get through with one of the same type.
i have manged to beat Falkner with Chikorita finished at lvl 12
it was somehow lucky enough survive with 1 hp left . am not complaining but shouldn't lived last hit should be dead lol
would i recommend this to others ? hell no ....... this is just Chikorita with normal stats if your interested on stats
more than happy post it
thank you for video :) going back playing crystal now .
just find it very odd that after beaten Falkner theirs not really any required fights until you get to poke well. great for speed runners i guess :P
for a very long time always thought sprout tower was required . mostly because see your rival at top . at least when i was younger
That Falkner battle must have been incredible!!!
I agree, I used to think Sprout Tower was required too. awesome that you're playing Crystal along with me!!!
I'm here for team Pikachu. So glad my favorite made it!
He has the plot armor to defeat basically anything within a few hundred or so resets! I'm glad we still have the series mascot in the running too!
When is next video 😭
Dropping in the next 24 hours or so.
Can’t wait! Been checking like 10 times a day since Wednesday 🤣 you are crushing it