BrainScratch: Elisa Lam - Gone at Midnight Author Jake Anderson Interview
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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I remember what a breath of fresh air discovering your channel was for me, back then at the time you were covering the Elisa Lam case. At the time of those insufferable, disrespectful and exploitative supernatural angle videos.
And to this day, I am amazed with your rational and empathetic, deeply humanistic approach...helping families and giving victims their voice back!
You sir, are just the best!
Seriously in the case of lisa lamb lordanarts is the only place to look.
The part about the maintenance worker abruptly leaving the states and disappearing with his family was chilling.
veronica carlson Oh ok. I’ll take some rando’s word on the internet over the findings of a private investigator that searched for him and the documented facts of the case. I’m convinced!
veronica carlson I’m even more convinced now! You’re an undeniable genius detective. Where may I send my apology letter for posting the original comment, Your Greatness?
That was odd tbh .. That he just received money from an anoymus person and boom he's out ... I wonder what the police would say about that
@veronica carlson why would Lopez's half brother gossip about his brother leaving the states after receiving a ton of money?
veronica carlson Lol, no.
🎊🎈🎉🎈🎊🎉🎈🎊🎈🎉🎈🎊
John, Happy 5th Anniversary to you and Brainscratch!🎊
✨Thanks so much for your dedication and all you do to bring awareness to so many cases and victims who deserve recognition, and, often, attention they may never have been given in the first place.
I appreciate your work, and the respect, consideration, and compassion you give, not only to those who’ve passed, or gone missing, but also to their loved ones and family who seek answers and justice, and deserve our encouragement and support. 🦋
Thanks to Christy and others who contribute their time and work so hard to support you in developing such great content on your wonderful channel.
🙏💞✌🏼
@@reginareece7081
💫 Bless your heart. Are you having a tough day/a hard time in life?
I can scarcely imagine how angry, or lonely, or bored, you must feel as to be so compelled as to make a concerted effort to be ugly, passive-agressive and rude. It’s indicative of a pervasive and deep sense of self-loathing,
and that makes me so sad and sorry for you. Some people just can’t be happy for the success of others.
I hope your day improves and I hope things get better, so you can feel better and face up to your problems, whatever they are. 🦋🌞🧚🏼♂️
I haven't finished the interview yet but her mental illness and this being a cover-up are linked. Her mental illness was used to prop up the theory that backs up the cover-up. Basically, "Oh she was crazy and crazy people do crazy things so let's just dismiss the possibility she might have been murdered". It is just another way mental illness is stigmatized, minimized, and misunderstood.
Edit: Thank you for speaking about this. I've felt this from the very beginning.
Well said. I feel she was also murdered.
Absolutely agree
I've always thought that foul play was the strongest possibility, and found the "she died because she was crazy" narrative overly simplistic and downright offensive. Something else was at play there that night.
Mreffs101 Yep. “She’s crazy and we’ve got multi-million dollar deal on the table.” 😭
@veronica carlson you sound like part of the people covering it up
I subscribed to LordanARTs because of John's Elisa Lam coverage.
Charles Marlow Me, too!
@@lindasue8719 The following is the first new episode on the subject that I recall watching after finding John's channel: BrainScratch: Retracing the Steps of Elisa Lam
2 Oct 2015
I remember being delighted that he'd produced another episode on the topic as well as finding the episode itself fascinating.
Same
Same ❤️
When this video started, I thought, “dang, John must have had a lot of caffeine or is especially hyper about the anniversary!” Then I realized I had the video set to 1.5x speed....silly me 🤦♀️😁
The traditional 5 year gift is wood, and if I could carve it, I’d make you a plaque. But since I can’t, here’s a wooden backscratcher to scratch the far reaches of your brain 😁 🎁
Happy fifth to the best channel on the ‘tube!
It always gives me faith in humankind when I see two professionals being mature in discussing serious matters. And I do mean professionals who have a heart. Thank you for this interview with Jake Anderson.
There are a lot of RUclips true crime that are pretty much video-recorded **podcasts**, and as with regular podcasts, I find I can multitask and do chores or cook or whatever while just listening. That never happens with this channel because it IS different.
Also, this story touched me like none other, and it always has felt near and dear to me. It demands my full attention and makes me heartsick. I’m at all not confident the legal system did the right thing.
That was an interesting observation about the synchronicities. I find that in Elisa’s story, synchronicities abound.
When I see a photo of Elisa, because I’m much older I keep finding myself wanting to say, “aw, little girl,” even though she’s a remarkable young *woman*. I feel like I just want to give her a hug and tell her we’ll figure out what went wrong - I’m sure a lot of us feel the same.
I think Elisa was murdered by someone that either lived at the hotel or worked there, possibly both. Also, I'd like to know if the girls she was originally rooming with had boyfriends, or at the least guys that came to visit them while they were there, they could be the potential suspects.
Same. Even looking at everything Lordan shows to the case, makes me think it was a ritual murder. They drugged her, and then killed her.
@@tigerjin6086 I definitely think it's the most probable.
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
@@sofiab.9129 you have a good point and you may be right. I'm truly sorry to hear about your troubles with mental illness. My mom has had them my entire life and I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy either. There's so much that we still don't understand about mental illness. I truly hope you can find peace and tranquility very soon. Best wishes to you
@@derrickallen2054 thanks alot. Best wishes to your mom!
Jake is right, John. No one is doing it like you. Your approach is very "mainstream". It's raw, honest, factual, emotional and (for lack of a more appropriate term based, on the majority of topics) entertaining.
So many, but not all, are judt throwing on tons of make up, plagerizing others research, throwing the conspiracy aspect into everything or trying to associate the paranormal. All fluff, all bs, all for a selfish and often narcissistic purpose.
Please take care, John and don't give up your Hollywood hairstyle, though! Haha 👍😁
Mysterious WV is another amazing channel, but it features only cold/old cases in the area in and around West Virginia.
@@SvobodovaEva I agree!
I see you everywhere on RUclips 😂
"Mainstream" is probably not the best term to use, as in some peoples' minds, (those that are aware of the shit MSM have covered-up), it kind of implies BS, narrative and sometimes outright lies. Perhaps "principled", "upright" or "upstanding" would be better choices ?
I think you would agree John is the epitome of what a good journalist/investigator should be, with a good deal of integrity and compassion for the victims and their families, something which a lot of "mainstream" journalists/investigators lack in the pursuit of the truth.
He is a true beacon of light and hope in what is a very dark world ...
kindest regards to ya DHC,
Paz.
@@SuperChoronzon agreed and agreed! 👍🤝
The Dorner/Elisa connection is fascinating to me. I never realized the two were happening at the same time. Dorner's case has always intrigued me but his first name is not Charles. His name was Christopher Jordan Dorner (September 11, 1979 - February 12, 2013). Not trying to be trite but if others want to look him up, having his proper name is important.
Thanks for the info! I was going to look him up after this video. So interesting how the two cases connect.
@@camicoz Both cases are connected indeed. I sort of feel bad for anybody who thinks two such unbelievable occurrences took place the same month by chance, involving the same police department.
Good catch, and you're absolutely right, his name is Chris
Mreffs101 thanks for clarifying, I looked it up on RUclips, realized immediately who he was.
@@FullMetalAtheist It shows how the LAPD definitely had a grudge against the mentally ill, and wasn't going to treat anyone with a mental illness fairly, even if they were the victim of a crime.
Such a thoughtful and interesting discussion. I know well the language of depression. Thanks.
Kind of surreal to see a full Elisa Lam episode again after all this time. I wanna sincerely thank you for what you've done with this case. (Jake as well, of course, but you're the one who got the ball rolling.) I still remember stumbling across the elevator video in a "Top __ Creepiest (Whatever)" compilation about 5 years ago, which led to BrainScratch Episode 1. Your coverage of the story just happened to coincide with one of the most trying times of my life (yet even more synchronicity orbiting this case), and it was your humanizing of Elisa which reminded me I wasn't alone and helped get me through it. You saved her from going down in history as "that creepy elevator girl." If there's an afterlife, I'm certain she's thanking you.
Omg. You just told my story. :)
Just preordered the book. Thank you both for talking about mental health in such a respectful way.
Amen.
I am ordering it too.
Blessings to her family.
It's been 5 yrs already? Where has the time gone? Here's to five years of excellent work, and so much good done for others, and to the next five getting even better!
John Happy 5th year anniversary. I discovered your channel because of the Elisa Lam case! Still blows my mind!! 🤯
Always interesting to see you going back to the case that turned you into the beloved modern day Sherlock Holmes that you are today, John. 👍✌
You said that so...on point!
Congratulations on 5 years of Brainscratch John! Been watching this channel for about 3 or 4 years and I’ve enjoyed the content you put out. All the mysteries and cases you talk about as well as shining light on cases that are solved that may or may not be known to the public at large are well researched and presented in a way that’s understandable to the viewer. Thank you for the work you do and here’s to another 5 years of Brainscratch!
I just started this video, but I gotta comment. Yes! I love that you guys aren't making this into a spooky ghost story! Are those paranormal theories kind of "fun" to read about and think about? Sure. But if you're genuinely wanting to figure out what happened, you have to look at the more realistic possibilities.
Making it spooky is also disrespectful to the victim and her family. This channel handles these cases with such respect, it’s refreshing.
@@Emiliapocalypse Absolutely agree. Elisa Lam's case is what brought me to this channel in the first place, and John's down to earth, compassionate handling of it, and every case he's covered since is why I've stuck around. He's the real deal, with a heart of gold.
neuralmute me too, so glad I found Johns channel. He’s amazing, kind and respectful. Not to mention factual.
Just sharing my experience... 8 years ago, I was diagnosed with a bipolar 3, or cyclothymia. I was drinking too much, and going through a chaotic time of my life. I went on lamictal, and my life got better. Two years ago, I had my daughter, and I started seeing a therapist every week, and she put it this way: The brain is made up of neuropathways. (Water and electric). Think of the brain as a stream. EVERY change... your nutrition, your sleep, your habits, your self-talk... can change how the brain's pathways think. Similar to when a storm makes the water in a river swell, and it starts to find an easier pathway. The problem is that our brain often takes the easier pathway, without us even realizing. In the last 2 years, my psychiatrist has stopped practicing, and in my area, it's incredibly hard to get into someone. I've have done walk ins, and have talked to 3 psychiatrists in the last 2 years... and I have been diagnosed with something different by every psychiatrist- bipolar, OCD, and borderline personality disorder because psychiatrists are so busy, they spent 15 minutes, before assessing what "criteria" you fit, and writing a script. The moral to my story is this: Find yourself a therapist. Someone you talk to for an hour. See them every week. Don't peg yourself into one diagnosis... because the brain changes constantly. Be proactive, and do what you need for your own self-care. Reach out for help constantly. Don't be lazy, and just do medication, (like I did) because that does not set you up for life-long success. Medication is helpful, but there are cognitive behavior therapists, there's dialectic behavior therapy, naturopathic doctors... Do your research, and fight for yourself.
Thank you for that reminder. I'll keep trying and working. It's so hard!
YOU have got to do the audio book of this book, Jon!!!
I actually would totally support that. John has a great voice.
Will there actually be an audio book?? I search on audible and nothing
John IS the voice of this story. :)
The Elisa Lam case is what led me to find this channel 3 years ago. Congratulations on the 5 year anniversary John!!
Great interview! I am definitely buying the book!!
❤️Thank u for all that you do John. You’re amazing!
Comparing this case to a Rorschach test is spot on.
Absolutely. I see a highly vulnerable young woman here, and most likely accidental death, but a possibility of foul play not entirely ruled out. I also see incompetence on the parts of the hotel and the police, and the sensationalist media letting the stories run wild. Most unfortunately, I see that Elisa Lam herself, who should be the focus of the story, usually gets lost somewhere in the middle of all the theories and blaming, which is possibly the biggest tragedy of it all.
I've literally been watching binge watching your videos while I stay up all night farming in World of Warcraft like a dweebie vampire. I've watched all Danelle's, Kendall's and Stephanie's videos doing this, but you're my favorite so far. It's easy to listen to you talk and follow. Love your talent in being able to tell the story and make it consumable.
Congrats on 5 years!! This was a great interview, super interesting and thorough. Can't wait for next week's video!
As someone with bipolar type 2, I appreciate you're bringing it up for what it is and de-stigmatising it.
Wow, I had no idea that Elisa Lam’s case happened at around the same time that Chris Dorner was running around. I actually live in Big Bear, CA & was driving to work that day when I got a call from my boss asking me if I’m crazy and to go back home and stay put because there’s a killer loose. In the weeks following the cabin fire and his death, I actually went to the scene and crawled under the fence like a crazy person and now have mementos from that cabin fire. It’s so strange, for whatever reason I never connected these two things happening around that same period of time. This is a great interview and story, definitely will be checking out the book. Thanks, John- for always presenting level-headed information along with your huge heart. Those things are important for being able to advocate and present these cases, especially Elisa’s and there aren’t many that have both their heart and mind in the game in the way that you do. 🖤
Happy anniversary John, you have done truly incredible work on all the cases you’ve covered throughout the years. You’ve reached millions, including loved ones of victims, by giving them a platform to share insights to the person and not just a static or case number.
Happy 5 years! I remember watching your Elisa Lam episode AGES ago
Thank you John for not forgetting Elisa. Much love to you guys, you make me feel comforted that there are people out there who genuinely care.
Happy 5 year - Normally I'd say that I'm tired of the case and the theories surrounding her (endless) but at the same time I appreciate your thoroughness
When I saw this video on Feb 2020, I went to amazon.es and bought that book without thinking twice. I'm in Barcelona, Spain (sorry about my english, by the way) I've started reading it a few days ago, and I've already finished it. I need to tell you (both) THANK YOU. The book brought me a lot of stories of my own family and past (yeah, Bipolar disorder runs in my family too) and I found myself discovering symptoms and motives fot a lot of deep moments in all my life. I thank you both deeply the respect and love that you show for the victim too.
I love this episode of brain scratch! I can't wait to read this book! Awesome perspective of mental health! Thank you for your part in destigmatizing mental health! It means the world to me!
Moment of silence for the people who drank the water at the Cecil hotel during the time she was missing. 🤭
Seriously
John your voice is very soothing as well.💕
Thankyou for your dedication love your show:)
This case has fascinated me since John first reported it.
I first saw it on ID. Then I found John.
It continues to fascinate me.
I will never be convinced she made it into the water tower and closed the lid herself.
I suppose someone could have come along and closed it without looking?
The hotel clearly is sketchy and I doubt any staff was paying too much attention.
It's a creepy sad tragic story.
I feel guilty for being so interested in such a tragedy.
But I am.
Unreal that in this day and age there were not more cameras!! WTF!!!
I have bipolar type 2 as well. I was on medication for about 8 years before I decided I was going to try a different approach. That being said while I had first been diagnosed I was actively using meth. I have been clean from meth for 14 years. I took every medication for bipolar disorder known, and I just couldnt do take them once I got pregnant with my 5 year old. 6 years ago I stopped taking them, even the antidepressants..... and let me tell you, I have learned to curve the manic phases while the depressive phases are harder to handle... for example I have been in a funk for weeks now. But I have NEVER FELT BETTER AS A WHOLE!! now i have to say, going off all those meds has saved my life but at the same time that doesnt work for everyone. I was more manic and more depressed while on meds. I have been able to be a great momma and a great person now that I'm no longer on these meds. With my closing, I just wish that every psychiatrist would take a look into the meds and our chemistry. There are tests they can do to show what type of med works with their chemistry and keep them away from the meds that can cause suicidal thoughts to increase.
I have healed my body both physically and mentally by going off of rx medications and using herbal supplements. I used to suffer tremendously with pain and an autoimmune disease. I once was on 9 different prescriptions and still suffering. Once I decided to work off all medicines and use natural herbs I began to get well. I think the medical industry keeps people sick. It's a billion dollar industry.
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
As a side note, people who are on drugs are often treated with bipolar medication because the brain has been thrown out of wack by the chemistry of the brain being effected, and rebounding by the drug. Some people are born bipolar, which is different. I don't want to discount some people "healing" themselves with natural supplements, but it can be dangerous for some people to be off their medication.
I admire and respect both of the men.
I appreciate their respect for this young woman and her family and the tragedy that befell her.
Fascinating discussion.
5 year anniversary wow john and team you rock
Happy anniversary, John and my fellow Brainscratchers! 🍾
Nice to have Jake on the show today. Some great information here and a reminder to remember the most important aspect of this case and that’s that a young woman lost her life and her memory should be honoured for the people left behind who loved her very much.
If there are lessons to be learned by getting at the truth of this case, whether it be recognizing what a vulnerable individual is incase we’re ever in a position to help someone one day by recognizing the signs of a mental break or enforcing hotels and other public institutions to abide by safety measures such as no access to the rooftop for guests, etc., then these are things worth talking about without dishonouring Elisa. Regardless of the specifics of what happened to Elisa, these are topics that have been raised and well worth an ongoing conversation.
Wow just wow. What an INCREDIBLE video. Jake, is that a delightful, cold beverage you're enjoying?!😉 Will be ordering your book for sure.
Many congrats John on your 5th anniversary!!! Fantastic!!🌻
What an amazing young man to delve further into this investigation, poking at things that people want kept hidden etc. The phrase that comes to mind about his investigation is "where angels fear to tread". I've watched all of your (John) videos and particularly enjoyed the visit you paid to the Cecil with another brainscratcher. I shall look forward to next week's interview and also wish good luck to Jake with his book tour. I'm in UK, I'll definitely be getting a copy. Keep up the great work...eventually something HAS to give and we will finally get to the truth of what happened. I can't imagine how distressing this must have been for Elisa's family and hopefully one day they will have some answers 🤞 Congratulations on the book!
Probably most people who think a crime happened just cant imagine the state of mind you have to be in to climb into a water tank. They just cant imagine someone would do this. When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
Good morning everyone . Really looking forward to this.
Can’t wait for the book! Thanks guys for your insights into this case.
I have manic depressive disorder (bipolar) as well🖤🖤 lots of love this episode means alot already
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
@@sofiab.9129 sending you love ❤️. I hope you're ok. I understand. 🦊
As a mother of an adult son with schizophrenia, I appreciate someone with a personal experience of mental illness writing about Elisa and appreciating & understanding her struggle. Thank you.
I feel very conected to Elisa, as a sufferer from mental illness and a 24 old University student. Being seen as the diagnosis, not a PERSON with a diagnosis... When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it would be a good idea to hide in a water tank. The outside world would probably have seemed morde dangerous to me. I wrote a longer comment about this
Bless you.
Without going into detail, I get what you are saying.
@@sofiab.9129 Many of the brightest and kindest people suffer from mental illness my friend. Thank you for sharing. I hear you and your comment is liberating to many who suffer from mental illness.
It is interesting that society and insurance companies ,etc separate our minds/brains/neuro pathways, teeth, eyes from the rest of our bodies when it comes to treatment, stigmatism and financial reimbursement. Things must change. Thank you for your comment. Bless you!!!!
@@peggyreely8339 thanks. ❤
Someone needs to talk to an employee working there at the time or someone who isn't in law enforcement but was there. That's the only way we'll know what really happened.
Thanks for this guys. I've had a keen interest in the Elisa Lam case for some time. As much because it is a fascinating story, but also because of the mental health aspect.
My life has been marred by the blight of mental health issues. I was told, at the age of 35 (nearly 5 years ago) that I displayed strong signs of ADHD/ADD. I've been prescribed Concerto XL (Adderal) which definitely helps with the fleeting mind and almost provides that calming, deep breath required before making a decision. I guess it helps with impulsivity, in that respect.
However, I still have crippling depression, latterly with anxiety and the feeling like I'm totally unsuited to the requirements of modern society. Like it's a bad fit for me! I can communicate perfectly well, but it's more the emotional side of things.
I've often, progressively, felt it was a form of bipolar, from what I have learned over the years, but had a pretty bad experience with a negative diagnosis from a doctor I never actually met. He based his findings on a single incomplete and inaccurate report, without seeing or speaking to me.
That was nearly 10 years ago and I've been in limbo since, really. Not worked much in that time, though did once have a great career, when in my 20s. I've struggled with addiction too.
I was, with my mum, officially caring for my elderly dad, for the past couple of years, but he died a few weeks ago. Having moved closer to my folks to assist, I guess I'd been staving off dealing with my own issues by busying myself with that responsibility.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your story, Jake. I'll ensure to buy a copy. I was going to ask if you had any tips regarding getting a diagnosis, but I guess it's a moot question, given our differing available pathways (I'm in the UK), so will bid you all the best for future endeavours and thanks again! 👍 Great work, as ever Jon. Thanks to you too. 👍 Have a great weekend and happy anniversary to Brainscratch. 👍 May it have just as strong a future!
I feel very conected to Elisa, as a sufferer from mental illness and a 24 old University student. Being seen as the diagnosis, not a PERSON with a diagnosis... When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it would be a good idea to hide in a water tank. The outside world would probably have seemed morde dangerous to me. I wrote a longer comment about this too if you are interested. Thank you for sharing your story and experiences.
Been here with you for 5 years and it was Elisa's case that helped me find you. Congrats on your 5 year anniversary, John! 🎉✨🎂🎁🎆🎇🎉
The whole "woo" factor of this case came about due to the nature of the video that was released of Lisa in the elevator, and how strange her behaviour appeared. The fact that this video had been released with it being at the wrong speed, is mostly what caused this "woo" factor, and in my opinion was a deliberate attempt to add weirdness to Lisas' last known moments/movements to give credibility to her mental health being her cause of death.
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
@veronica carlson That's up to you Veronica, you see what you see and make judgements on that, but I believe the clock/time-code of the video had been tampered with too, which in my opinion adds more weight to my hypothesis. There was a deliberate attempt made to make her movements look weird/abnormal.
regards,
Paz.
@@sofiab.9129 No need to apologise, your English is fine Sofia. Thanks for sharing your experience too, mental health is no joke, as I've gone through some tough experiences with it myself.
I haven't had quite the same experience as you, although I can imagine that when paranoia strikes as bad as that, then yeah, you'd probably see any hiding place as a good to place to escape from who/whatever was the root cause of that fear.
Now, whether this was the case with Elisa, we'll probably never know as too much time has passed, and there has been too much confusion of the facts of the case, such as whether the latch of the water-tank was open or closed, and the video in question has clearly been tampered with. Unless someone from the Hotel or the initial investigation comes forward to tell the truth, all we have is speculation.
Thanks again Sofia, and I hope this reply finds you in a better place/state of mind :o),
much love, and kindest regards,
Paz.
Agreed
@veronica carlson there was a entire minute cut . I think they either edited someone out that was maybe getting on the elevator before Elisa and had nothing to do with the case , or they cut something that they don't want the public to see . maybe a suspect that was already questioned
Great guy. Two great guys. Glad I bought that book now; even gladder with John's word of approval! Noticed when I found it that there were mostly good reviews but one or two that criticised the writing, the competence of the writing or the style, but another review countered that and put it in the context of a 'gonzo' style of writing or something like that. I took a leap, thought that I could probably dig a gonzo style, especially given the nature of the book and its more subjective approach to investigation and sleuthing or to the mental illness, mental health side of things. Soon as I got hold of a copy, I can tell you, it's really very well written and that's based on a cursory glance at pages here and there. Really no criticism on that front, grammatically or skilfully. Looks to be very compelling - well, we know that already with the staggering amount of theories, mysteries and synchronicities surrounding the case - and absorbing, in terms of how it's presented by Jake Anderson. Looked at the index earlier, the topics covered are impressive to say the least and I can't wait to read it. Just as soon as I'm done with the current book I'm reading. And John's involvement in this documentary film too. That's great news, but I can also see, from listening to the two of you speak, the perspective and approach of the author towards this creation and documentary work. I sure hope you can find further funding and get this completed soon, Jake!
Regardless of the author doing otherwise with his ‘Bi-Polar’, it’s never a sensible idea to self diagnose a mental illness. That’s Murky, Dark and Dangerous territory.
Seek the help of a professional.
He did. Many over the course of many years.
I'm just gonna say it. We need a Brainscratch: John Lordan. You fascinate me. Your compassion with cases I wanna know your process, I would love to know more about the things you've done in life and just more about you in general.
Happy 5 th anniversary "Brainscratch" lovers ,and thank you both for the respect given to Elisa Lam case, as a human with an illness.
I feel very conected to Elisa, as a sufferer from mental illness and a 24 old University student. Being seen as the diagnosis, not a PERSON with a diagnosis... When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it would be a good idea to hide in a water tank. The outside world would probably have seemed morde dangerous to me. I wrote a longer comment about this too if you are interested.
@@sofiab.9129 I have a son in law whom has been diagnosed bi polar , and attention disorder, and the psychotic episodes were frequent, it took over 10 years to get him regulated on his meds and still they are adjusted,my daughter has been through great trials with him, he is a nice talented guy,we need to remember the person,inside the symptoms, i include myself , my father was paranoid schizophrenic, due to being shell shocked in the war,I never knew him, his life spent in V.A. center , my grandfather hung himself, I never knew him, my other grandfather was said to likely have early dementia, I never knew him,my grandma had 19 shock treatments, my own mother was a demon that only good ,she did not manage to kill me, and I have had one hell of a ride in this life,trying to remain "sane". I seek God, and fear and trust Him. I hope you are doing well now.Thank you for reply.
@@irenegronewald7745 Thanks alot for your answer. My psychotic episode happened after a suicide attempt. I took all of my anti depressants (pills) and neuroleptika, and the chemicals messed with my brain. I was on a psych ward for 6 weeks (ordered by a judge), and i was so scared. I thougt everyone there, including staff, patients and my parents, wanted to harm me. I wandered around the corridors in search for a "safe place" and locked myself in a tiny dark room with loud washing machines. I imagine, i would also have tried to hide in a water tank. This could have been me! Do you think your relatives would have done such a thing too, while having an episode.?
@@sofiab.9129 Yes!!! My son in law thought and tried to act out many illusions,and was dangerous to himself and others, he was hospitalised and in mental hospital ,think for months at a time, My daughter says their are horrors that she will never tell me, but I did witness him having a break and it was like...who is this, I thought he had multiple personalities,if not for my daughter sticking by him,I don`t think he would be alive.I sincerely hope you never go down the dark road you were on, through no fault of your own,my son in law was seeing a psychiatrist at age 11, this was a kept secret ,and was said that a male person,trusted by family, over a period of time...you can guess what it was, so this was not good, but my brother and I both were molested by stepfather as I said, we are all trying to hold onto sanity.
@@irenegronewald7745 Thanks for being so open and honest. Greetings from Germany and i wish you and your family only the best!!
I've read and reviewed the book already. It's very worth a read because of the strangeness of the case and the big time publicity the case engendered. Good writer. Sensible, handles the controversies well.
Congratulations on 5 years your truly such an amazing man with such respect for these cases you deserve so much more recognition and if not that I hope you find self recognition and all the amazing hard work and dignity and love for these cases you've never made this about you it's always been about real people and bringing them home or getting them justice I can say this for so many your a hero here in the true crime community you fight for what's right and you keep it real and your just truly an amazing person for us to be able to have here on youtube I'm so grateful to be apart of this channel and all the amazing work you do the help you offer is just amazing so proud of you john!!! Great guest will be looking into the book keep up the amazing work!!💛🙏💛🙏💛🙏
thank you both for taking a careful look at BiPolar disorder and treating it as gently as possible.
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
"History is a poorly constucted music hall with dead spots where the music should be heard"
Archibald MacLeash
Nice to see others not shy away from talking about there mental health issues, Jake is a credit to humanity, I have soul breaking anxiety and PTSD and horrendous panic attacks that make me feel like I’m dying at times, I tell everyone I ever meet about my mental health issues as the stigma needs to be broken. Great video thanks, love and respect from me in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧
Dr Gunsmith absolutely nothing to be ashamed about 🙏
When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
Dr Gunsmith I feel for you. I have the same problem. I am always afraid of running out of my meds because of my panic attacks ❤️🙏
Jake - Ignore the ridiculous comments from people picking you apart and focusing on totally unimportant things like your backwards hat. LOL. People love to look down on others, especially online. Your interview was great.
Awesome video. Very interesting points. Thank you both for seeing Elisa Lam as a person and not just a creepy story to share on social media.
Can't wait to read the book
I thought that by all the videos, news clips, ECT on this case, the book wouldn't hold much more that wasn't already spoken about. After watching this, I'm wrong! I'm definitely ordering this book!! I can't wait to read it! This interview itself is enticing and thrilling which leads to many questions for me.
I feel very conected to Elisa, as a sufferer from mental illness and a 24 old University student. Being seen as the diagnosis, not a PERSON with a diagnosis... When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it would be a good idea to hide in a water tank. The outside world would probably have seemed morde dangerous to me. I wrote a longer comment about this.
I just preordered it and am looking forward to it!
Awesome episode with Jake. I so look forward to hearing from Sandy, too.
“it’s like we know what we’re talking about”
same
S. A. Same
Same severely...just depression I think. All my life.
Same. Both personally and professionally. A lifetime of depression and anxiety largely due to Autistic Spectrum Disorder that went undiagnosed well into adulthood. Now I use both my education and experience to help others as an art therapist. I wish I could have known Elisa.
I'm interested
In this video
I don't think
She was playing the
Elevator game
Your comments look like an elevator, "Going down" headass
@@Nikp117 LOL
Whoever came up with the theory that she was even playing the elevator game needs to look over their facts ... There's no evidence that Elisa even heard about it , nor does the video show the best quality for the specific buttons she pressed needed to play the elevator game. Therefore the theory was debunked
@@jamesmiles2685 you sound very right to me
@Dirty Magic11 LMFAO
Happy Anniversary! I’ve been with ya from the start. Love from Alaska.
10:40 thank you
Let me start by saying I do love your channel John, I've spent many hours watching your videos since I discovered it, and I may look into this book because it sounds interesting. But I have a bit of a problem with this video for one reason.
For people to talk about how wrong it is for everyone to try to get recognition (even profit) on the back of this case, while doing exactly that, is a little hypocritical, isn't it? Has the family endorsed this book? Maybe I am missing something?
I think it is about the INTENTION. The big difference is: Do you use her case to get clicks/ Money or do you present her case to help in any way, for example to get it reopened, AND also get Money for it, but you would have done it regardless of the money.
I have made the suggestion before but nobody’s entertained it’s merit that Alissa was under the impression that she was auditioning to be in a movie perhaps dark water was the script she was rehearsing with on the elevator and off the elevator. Perhaps she was lord to the Cecil with the intentions of making it big in Hollywood or perhaps being an actress in some movie. It seems like an online predator could’ve lowered her there
Probably most people who think a crime happened just cant imagine the state of mind you have to be in to climb into a water tank. They just cant imagine someone would do this. When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
I was almost finished writing a very long comment about mental illness, when my phone died. 🥴 Such a bummer because it took me so long to formulate and lay out, and I’m exhausted now. Perhaps I’ll come back later and try to write it out again.
Either way, great interview, excellent guest, very well said, and full of compassion and kindness for the victim and those of us who also suffer from mental illness. Love you both so much, and so grateful for the work that BOTH of you do!!!
Happy Friday!
Happy 5th anniversary! You do a phenomenal job!
Provocative interview...I'm buying the book! 👍
Seeing that it took 2 weeks to find her, I personally believe the water tower wasn’t her original location when she was found. I’ve always believed that the body was stashed elsewhere until either before or after the cops came and searched the hotel. Or that a customer complained of the smell and that’s how it ended up in the rooftop water tower. Also someone who’d know how to dispose of bodies would know that removing the clothes will somewhat speed up decomposition when thrown in large bodies of water.
Happy 🍾5💕 year mark Brainscratch! 👍 Thank You John Lordan for all of your hard work and selfless dedication that you put into spreading awareness in lesser known (and well known) cases. I like how you bring us into the situations along with you so that we can all put our heads together and have decent conversations together... not because we are here to glamorize other people's more unfortunate situations but because we truly *care*, and all of that starts with you John!
Thank you
🥰
He is the only "true crime" RUclipsr i can watch. I feel (!) like all the other ones only do it because it is "entertaining", and their followers mirrow this. Shocked smiley faces, comments about the RUclipsrs hair... John is the only one I know who REALLY cares and wants to make a difference in the REAL world. No fake compassion, straight forward. Others are unbearable at times.
@@sofiab.9129 Danelle Hallan is great too. I watch several of them... including Trace Evidence. John definitely has his own kind of delivery that is unique and worth the time.
@@boowill7509 thanks for the tipp! (:
Happy birthday, Brainscratch! Thank you for caring about Elisa Lam. I hope one day they figure out what REALLY happened.
Jake you have a wonderful soul! May your heart beat with as much happiness that it can muster.....💕
Happy anniversary, John! I actually came across your channel because of the Elisa Lam case and stayed because of your way of presenting those stories with respect and sympathy for the victims. Here´s to the next five years and more!
I hope you didn't write a book using the wrong name the whole time. :)
The lid. The lid!!! That detail has always stuck out in my brain, especially when I learned it was a non-hinged lid. I don’t subscribe to the foul play theory btw but the Santiago thing is weird. The lid being closed when the police checked the roof explains why the dogs didn’t pick up on the tanks. But who put the lid back on, the police, or one of the hotel workers? Maybe not a police cover-up, but a perplexing absent-minded mistake in this already perplexing point. I thought during the video, what if Santiago put the lid back on at some point in those 3 weeks without thinking anything of it? Maybe he saw it was off, without thinking, put it back on? I don’t know, but hearing he moved to Mexico after getting a large sum of money really chilled me. Perjured himself to cover up negligence from himself and the hotel? I wanna know the truth in this case *so* bad.
Just discovered the Lam case two days ago, and have binge-watched the LordanArts entire playlist on this issue. I want to know how this host went from suspecting Miss Lam's social media accounts were not real (in his early videos), to thinking they are a useful tool for finding out who she was as a person. Its totally fine if he changed his mind on it, but he did a 180 on it without giving us any explanation at all.
i believe it was a murder, and a wealthy person from powerful family is being protected.
Luv John's video's Hes so professional, caring, sweet and polite.
This is the best interview l have heard maybe ever. I will be purchasing the book.
Happy Friday, fam. Happy Anniversary, John. Thank you so much for all you do. You're amazing
Fyi....there's a fascinating video regarding this case on Sloan Bella's channel. She feels it was murder.
Cool thanks for the info
BJ Sloan is amazing! I found her when she only had a handful of followers. So happy that her channel took off.
@@PrinceCharmingsMom2930 ikr?! Love her work!!!
Did they ever finish the documentary and release it to public? Would love to watch it. I’m reading Jake’s incredible book “Gone at Midnight” and am blown away by it. Also deeply touched on a very personal level as someone who suffers with bipolar and major depression, anxiety, PTSD, OCD etc. Jake and Elisa’s openness in writing about their mental illnesses have helped me more than I can ever possibly articulate.
Hey this is Jake, really glad to hear this. Thanks so much for posting this and good luck in your journey.
What annoyed me about the “ghost stories” aspect of the way others would cover the case were the holes in information, over and over, leaving nothing but a presumptive DUN DUN DUNNN that, obviously without new facts, did nothing for me.
What’s amazing about the *real* work done on this case is the way so much information that informs this case is still out there in terms of cultural touchstones, different communities’ conversation on the topic (briefly touched upon here re: the Chinese community) and history including that of police corruption. Whatever has gone on with Elisa lies upon the crossroads of so much of it with the potential to expose a lot of it.
Seems like, whether that be because of money or location or psychological significance, a lot of... power resides at the Cecil, that various organizations and entities act to preserve the framework of.
Happy 5th Anniversary!!
I would honestly do an experiment seeing how long it would take a decomposing body to effect the water/water pressure, with the conditions being the same as it was at the Cecil Hotel, then finding out how long it would take, and how noticeable it would be to notice those changes; and then comparing those results to when the first accounts were of hotel guests complaining about differences they noticed in the water and see if it’s possible her body was placed there after the first search... because the way I see it, if you can tell right away there’s problems with the water, whether it be taste/pressure/color etc., and there weren’t any complaints until way after, then you got your answer... although I’m not sure in the details of if that tank was being used or if there even were any complaints etc.
Obviously a body decomposing in water will decompose differently than outside in the element. But also faster as water breaks the skin down (notice how your fingers and toes wrinkle up when you take a longer shower/bath/swim).
I imagine it would take 2 to 3 days for the water to become gross enough to make a difference.
Who was the employee who attacked the woman and got into her room with the master key, I wonder. Honestly I’m leaning toward an active serial killer situation, someone working or living in that hotel that the police don’t have the inclination to deal with besides hushing the loose-cannon aspect of bad press.
Probably most people who think a crime happened just cant imagine the state of mind you have to be in to climb into a water tank. They just cant imagine someone would do this. When i had a psychotic episode, i might have thought it was a good idea to hide in a water tank. I thought everyone was out to kill/punish me. I was in a psychiatric hospital, wandering around the corridors in search of a safe place. No rational thinking. I hid in a tiny, dark, smelly old room with big washing mashines and trash. They searched for me for hours. I did not take the prescribed drugs, i was sure it was some kind of poison. It felt like i was in a horror movie. IF i had stumpled upon something like water tanks, it is very possible that i would have used them to hide. I was psychotic after a suicide attempt, i took all my anti depressants, sleeping pells ect; it totally messed up my brain. Its something you cant unterstand if you have not been there. You imagine AND do the most dangerous things. Would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think it is very possible that Elisa died by accident or commited suicide because of her illnes. Maybe the hotel wanted to cover it up. But i whatever happened, her illness played a part. Sorry for bad english, i am from Germany.
Any update on Maddison Scott missing from Vanderhoof?
Sadly not. You can find her familys website about her disappearence via google.
It seems to me she met some dude and was playing a kinky game of hide and seek. They went up to the roof after (like most people do on buildings like that) he killed her and dumped her in the tank. Whenever I've been to a building in NYC, Miami, LA etc its always "lets check out the roof". Not saying I'm right, but in a grounded reality this makes the most sense.
bdsaints1986 As a professional in the field, I'm quite comfy with dx and the impact on patients. And with MDD, I understand what life can be like.
The chief of police that Jake was talking about is in my city, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
The work you guys do is amazing. Keep up the good work you two I’m definitely a fan. You are helping these families out so much also. Good job guys.
John is still my favorite. I look forward to each episode every time I get a notification.
On the Netflix documentary the Mexican guy is interviewed, so he is still out there.
@LordanARTS thank you for your work. I am convinced there is a cover up in the case. Amy Price lied saying the cctv cottage wasn't tampered with and it clearly was. Could you phone the LAPD or work towards opening the case files again? I bet the LAPD wouldn't even entertain the idea, the question is why? Also I don't think elisa had room mates who complained about her bad behaviour. I think they used this to push the narrative she was insane and done this to herself, a clever cover up on their part. I also agree with you about her clothes being on the roof at some point. I have read the book gone after midnight and I agree with the conclusions because they are the most logical. I hope in the future you can return back to this case and maybe have a breakthrough again. Jake and John you are amazing people. Thank you for your contribution