S&W M&P 2.0 & Springfield XDm 4.5 10MM Reliability Test
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Are polymer pistols right for 10MM? I know all of the Glock 20 and Glock 29 Fans will come out of the wood works about it's reliability and that's fair they just aren't for me. I wanted to see if this new breed of 10MM was up to par for potential ownership.
Or do I just stick with my revolvers or potentially look for a S&W 3rd Gen.
Where is the Sig? Sorry Sig I do not like the lines in other words it's ugly to me. Though Sig if you want to send me one maybe you can change my mind lol.
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As a gunsmith, I’ve had a lot of XDs come in the shop for light primer strikes. Every single one has been due to excessive grease where the striker rides in the slide. This is NOT a place that should ever have grease due to this very issue. There should be nothing more than a light coat of oil to prevent corrosion. None have been due to anything else but the grease issue. I clean the grease out and replace with a LIGHT coat of oil and problem solved. Then they run like champs. If you read the literature that comes with the XDs, it does state to disassemble and remove packing grease before using but that is beyond some people’s skill level as it is a bit more than a simple field strip. I personally love XDs and have some with thousands of rounds with no hiccups. Just thought I’d share this knowledge hoping to help someone. M&Ps on the other hand…more broken parts than I could even begin to explain. Again, as a gunsmith, I am NOT a fan of S&W products at all. Even the older revolvers that everybody love so much always bulge cylinders or break the top strap on the frame. Not good products…old or new.
Good tip, thanks smithy!
Excellent, thanks a lot, GOD bless.
Good tip, thanks!
All semi autos I have had in my 64 years I have had to clean the grease out of the striker hole that the striker pin rides in why the factories put grease in that area is beyond me
I use peroxide to clean the extra grease out of the striker and it works like new
In case anyone wanted to know, the grit in the m&p trigger *came from the striker safety plunger being square instead of having a smooth radius. ** This applied to the gen 1 m&p's. I haven't gotten into a 2.0 yet, I plan on getting a 4.6in very soon. I suspect that's still the culprit. Apex makes a replacement plunger, cheap too, and it dramatically improves the trigger pull!!! Hope this helps, it will be one of the very first things I'll look for when I get my hands on one
2.0 still have a spongy trigger but it’s noticeably better than gen 1 and Glock by a smidge.
I sold my M&P 2.0 10mm the trigger was absolutely awful and the trigger reset was so quite I could not hear the click to stop and fire the next round. I went with XDM ELITE 10MM and what a big difference 👏. As always sir your videos are an enjoyment and very informative to watch.
Thank you for the review video. I found it informative, useful. I purchased my M&P 2.0 10mm 4.6" just after Christmas. Since January, I've put nearly 500 rounds through it. I'm hoping I have one of the reliable ones as I have not had one failure (yet). I'm using 180 grain and 200 grain Blazer FMJ, Sellier & Bellot FMJ, and Underwood JHP in both grain weights. I also have some flat nosed hardcast I haven't tried yet. We've received quite a bit more snow and drifting since January, so haven't been out to shoot since. After reading and viewing recent reviews (just this weekend), I feel I need to get back out and put some pressure on the 10 before relying on it as a carry gun. Since becoming aware of the reviews, as a pre-emptive measure I've ordered after market guide rod/spring assemblies in 20lb, 22lb, and 24lb weights, as well as extra heavy-duty magazine springs. If I eventually find that I, too, am having issues, I hope to be prepared with parts. I really do like all my M&P pistols (after installing Apex Triggers) and am hoping to use the 10 as my main "woods gun" instead of the 44 Magnum. I do like my .44's (Ruger Redhawk and Taurus M44), but there is a video of an Alaskan guide comparing his .44 with a borrowed 10mm Glock. The test was timed at how many rounds he could get on target against a "bear" in three seconds (beep, draw, then three second beep). Then the test was repeated. He could get double the rounds on target and more accurately with the 10. Even he was surprised because that was using a borrowed pistol against his own familiar Redhawk. Yes, we all know the .44 is more powerful, but the 10 is no slouch and with more rounds on target (???). It was that Alaskan guide video that led me to the M&P 10mm purchase.
This is the best pistol video I have seen in 10 years. Great job.
I own both the regular XDM 10mm (which is the model in this video) and the XDM Elite 10mm with the 4.5 inch barrels. I have yet to experience any malfunctions in either of them, using a variety of ammo.
I own both the M&P 2.0 4" and the XD-M Elite OSP 4.5" in 10mm, and I'm happy to report that I haven't experienced any malfunctions. I'm thoroughly happy with my decision.
Way to go James have fun and be safe
Which one do you like more?
Don’t grease your striker on your xdm it’s not going to fire
I have a 4 inch M&P 10mm that was made a couple months ago and it can't get through a mag without feeding failures.
I love my M&P 10mm 4". I've only shot 180 gr through it but its been a couple hundred rounds and its been 100% reliable, feels great, shoots straight.
I love the 165gr loads from what I seen in ballistics gel it seems to be about right. 180 and 200 depending upon the load seems to over penetrate. but I do love ALL 10MM lol.
I have the same firearm. I even shoot some 40 caliber ammo through it.
Will it shoot hollow points? I'm looking to replace my Rock Island 1911 10mm that won't feed a single hollow point without 3 point jamming.
@@Starbuckin Yes both do email me about your rock island mr.revolverguy at dayattherange.com
@@Dayattherange The carry ammo Im going to be using is Fort Scott Munitions TUI® - 125GR. I haven't tested them in my gun(getting an Apex trigger first) but I'm expecting them to be screaming fast.
I wanted the performance center S&W 10mm. I looked far and wide. Finally found one and i was delayed for a few days. During that time i did a ton more research and found a pile of issues with the Smith. So many reports of FTF that i decided to go with the XDM elite 10mm. Glad i did. Over 1000 rounds and not a single hiccup.
I got the XDM Elite compact 3.8 10mm in 2021 and love it. It has never jammed and after my first day of shooting it I sold my Glock 20.
Sold the long barrel for the short barrel huh nice.
Great video, thanks for the comparison! I have both pistols and they have been 100% reliable with 180gr either JHP and FMJ and 165gr JHP ammo. Love both!
I love my own M&P 2.0 4.625 inch barrel 10mm with no safety lever and put an Apex Flat Aluminum black trigger replacement on mine. And using a C&H aluminum mounting plate and stainless steel screws and Blue Loc-tite with a Holosun 508T solar panel back up red dot.
How U like the flat trigger My buddies p320 .45 has on n I love it
Very good, methodical video. Nothing I say is meant to diminish that. I was almost humored that I knew exactly how it was going to go for M&P10. I can't speak for XD. It so happens that loading only 5 in a mag will mask the biggest problem with M&P 10mm - the fact that the magazine is poorly designed, allowing those heavy hardcasts 200/220gr bullets to push out the mag catch as they pass the mag catch window - precisely between the 5th and 6th round of the stack. That's why Buffalo Bore ran fine when you loaded just 5, and choked with a full mag. This is on the gun, not on the tester, however one lesson that I learned - is to test EXACTLY as you'll carry, unless it's purely a range toy. This specific issue will either cause a full mag eject, aka "mag drop", or, if partial, then will induce a stoppage as seen in the video - the partially dislodged mag messes up the feeding angle. However, the magazine springs are definitely also an issue and will compress and get weaker after only a few loadings. Springer Precision makes great extra power springs for it, from heavier gauge wire. Likewise, the RSA is seriously underpowered for 10mm, so it will wear out the frame sooner than necessary. I run a 24lb. captured RSA from Galloway with a red dot and a 26lb. uncaptured rod/spring from Springer Precision with iron sights. They both also cycle the weak FMJ's just fine. For hypothetical bear defense I've been testing loading 10 Xtreme Penetrators topped with 5 heavy hardcasts, plus 1 in the pipe, and it runs 100% of the time. There's nothing wrong with M&P10 in terms of handling spicy loads, only the badly designed mag and inadequate springs. A shame, too. Hunting buddy of mine has a compact version of the XD and his runs great with all types of rounds. Thank you for the thorough testing. Unfortunately the need to spend hundreds of rounds just to achieve Quality Assurance means the manufacturer has outsourced QA to us, effectively tacking a few hundred dollars onto the initial cost, not to mention the necessary spring upgrades.
I just moved to Alaska and am looking for my first 10mm bear defense semi-auto to chest carry. I already have a Marlin 45-70 Trapper (which is truly fantastic!) but, of course, it's not practical to carry when fly fishing. All the gun stores and ppl I talk to here in Fairbanks all say exactly what you said about the M&P10. I may very well go with a 1911 10mm and not worry about the ammo capacity. For my 10mm usage needs here in Ak, I'm only going to be able to squeeze off two rounds if I'm lucky anyway. An unexpecting ambushing grizzly from the thick bush traveling at 35mph only gives ya a couple seconds.
@@JosephTMeiroseIV yes, it's a weird situation - 10mm is a great round, but the available semi-auto platforms for it all seem to have their issues, including Glock and at least some 1911's - from what I've read. M&P10 seems to have it worse, but now that the issues have been figured out it seems like a fairly easy thing for those who like tinkering. I am starting to trust mine and will keep testing it as I practice with it. I do not go into grizz country, yet. I hope to visit some day, but I wouldn't be seeking out bears. I think the huge advantage of a semi-auto platform is that you might just be able to squeeze off more than from a revolver. I lover magnum revolvers, but I don't shoot them as well as the M&P. P.S. Love the 45-70, especially the trapper! Hope to own one some day. Currently have a Henry side gate, set up for deer. But I've fired a few Underwood spicy loads.
@@languagesource355 Henry is a great name! I bet urs is super fun and perfect for deer. I def don't trust my life with my firearm tinkering ability, that's for sure! Hence why I am steering clear of anything requiring "some work" to hopefully work ok. It's a real shame SW can't/won't fix the issue themselves. Then again, maybe the users of full hot load mags is small, though it seems most everyone I know here in Ak does. On the range a misfire/jam is inconvenient, where I live it can cost a life. While I also don't seek out bears, I live where they do. I want to avoid them if at all possible. I trained on 1911 45 ACP and feel most comfortable w that platform. Unless someone is a competition revolver shooter I'd say the vast majority of the "rest of us" would have more luck getting a follow up shot w a semi auto v a bear cannon revolver. When I see someone strutting around w/ a big 2ft long barrel revolver strapped on their chest I say to myself, "I hope they have a world class quick draw and get that perfect single shot placement...with no advance warning and literally two seconds to do it."
@@JosephTMeiroseIV FWIW by "tinkering" I did not mean modifying - I have not done anything with tools to my M&P. Just swapped springs, which is the same skill as field stripping to clean. And experiment with hybrid loading mags - 10 Underwood's Xtreme Penetrators, topped with 5 Underwood heavy hardcasts. That's the extent of what I've done. I am not trusting it yet, but with all these "mods" it's been 100%, I just need to keep going with it.
I like the Springfield more.
The reason is I OWN ONE.i
I use Hornady Critical Defense 180 gr hollow points and never had an issue with ammo.
The man can shoot a pistol ! That 10mm barely moves in those monster mitts of yours! I really didn’t expect the Springfield to be the one to choke! Nice vid my friend . Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Jeff
I have both pistols and can report that the Springfield has been flawless with all ammo ( including hot reloads). The M&P had been flawless for about 300 rounds but then it started dropping it’s magazine while firing. I sent the pistol back to S&W and they reported that they could not replicate the problem, so they made no repairs. They did send two new replacement magazines and these seem to be working ok, no dropped mags yet but time will tell.
Too bad this is gen 1.0 of the Springfield, the new gen2 xdm elite 10mm seems to have ironed out a lot of these issues.
@@Kaiser333333 not so sure as one thing I should have mentioned is the cast lead is not recommended by either manufacturer.
Of course he can. He’s a retired United States Marine Core.
I’ve been shooting G20s since the late 1990s. Between my reloads and factory ammo I’m over 40,000 rounds in and have never had a failure. I did sell one of them to a friend years back who said he had some issues with DT 135 grainers though.
I started my first 10mm being a Glock 20 and had the same issues as you had here. I promptly sold it and bought a Sig p220 and never had a problem.
I bought the 4" model. I handload and ran 130 rounds through it ranging from mild to very hot. about 3 or 4 jammed just like you showed. I changed out the recoil spring (2 minutes - very easy) to a 22 lb spring and have not had any malfunctions. The pistol use to eject cases with serious velocity and fling them far. Now, cases eject like normal pistols.
.. what manufacture of spring ?? ..
Where did you get the spring please??
@@Starbuckin 22 lb recoil spring from Galloway Precision (part# GP-162-22-BLK)
@@rockytopwrangler2069 22 lb recoil spring from Galloway Precision (part# GP-162-22-BLK)
@@clays7741 Thanks very much sir!
I shoot Glocks mainly, and have had great experiences with the Glock 20 in 10mm. But, I also have had others. I like the M&P series a lot, and I have owned and shot the XD's. I sold the XDs first, because of something he ran into - the light primer strikes. Now, I NEVER had a misfire, I want to say that - BUT, the strikers always felt anemic, and I was always worried about a failure like he experienced. It was something in the design; the trigger always felt like it was breaking just as it was about to hit the frame, which was weird, on both of the XDs, and the strikers felt and sounded sluggish as it fired. I cleaned the striker assemblies, replaced it complete in one, and sent one back to SA just to have it checked over. Again, I never had a failure, but I didn't trust them, either. And he talked about the gritty trigger in the M&P - yep. I have had a mixed bag. One of mine had a fantastic trigger out of the box, and the other I had needed some TLC to smooth it out. It probably would have broken in, but who can afford 1000 rounds just to smooth it out these days? Lol
Xdm is more reliable than g20... You used a lot of words.
Mr. Revolver guy! Excellent presentation!
Its been awhile since you did the video on the 454 Alaskan, I requested. But the 10mm is also my desired "semi-auto" round. Like you though, I am partial to an all steel pistol, I have a Sig P220 Legion 10mm (enjoyed your video on the Sig P220 Emperor Scorpion) also.
I do have a great respect, and history with the Glock 20 10mm, having carried and competed with the Gen 2,3 and eventually Gen 4 in PPC combat and bullseye matches. I have carried a Glock 20 since 1993. I would like to see the Glock 20 brought into this testing competition. Over the years I found it extremely reliable. What I can say with regards to the all steel P220 Legion is, its super accuracy. I shot a 5 shot group from 50 yards, standing slow fire which measured 2.25! Now all we need is your "Ransom Rest" to test. I'Il bet at 25 yards it will print a 1" group or less!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family and keep up the excellent videos!
Just bought the S&W 4 inch 10mil looking forward to taking it to the range. Another fine job Sir 👍
Thank for the video Brother! Great testing. The Hard Cast BB rounds with the Wide Flat Nose can get caught up in some guns. The recoil of these can shift the next round in the mag adding to the failure to feed. Light primer strikes can be debris, primer cup shaved into the striker / firing pin opening or lube slowing the striker speed as it moves forward to hit the primer.
Ammo choices did cover a good range of 10mm potential for the testing! Take care and have a great new year!
Thank you for the thorough and fair comparison between these two. Good stuff!
It was a great day on the range -- Honestly I still haven't made up my mind which I like the best LOL.
Thank you Marine. Great test & Review. Lord bless you and your family this Thanksgiving.
Thank you Guardian God Bless and Happy Thanksgiving
You shot way better than the video I just watched using a red dot. Just bought the MP 10 for bear.
I’m jealous. My 2.0 Compact is a jammomatic. It had a FTF every 2-4 rds. I sent it back to the factory. 7 weeks and 5 days later I received it back. They polished the feedramp and chamber. Now it FTF 2-3 times per magazine. This is with Magtech 180 FMJ and Winchester 180gr Defender… both run like a sewing machine through my XTEN that has over 4K flawless rds through it.
The 2.0 Compact is a nice AIWB size EDC 10mm. After it’s trip back to S&W, I had my gunsmith install an Apex trigger set to 4.6 lbs. That is an amazing upgrade over the OEM trigger that has too much take-up to the wall! Also, I purchased a set of stnd height tritium sights for the compact while on the phone w the S&W gunsmith. For an EDC pistol, the sights are exceptional. Now, to get the gun running… yes, I have and tried a Galloway Precision 22lb RSA. I have 16 OEM mags, and they work well in my 2.0 Competitor 10mm…
GREAT COMPARISON.....KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Late to the party on this vid. But I did fully enjoy it. You are one of the few I've watched, to take the time to correctly process a miss fire, keeping a safe direction and waiting for a "cook off" before further manipulation. Thumbs up ! I have that same model XDM. Tested it for accuracy / reliability, before I rely on it in big game / griz / nare-do-well territories. Not one hick up in 500 mixed rounds. The miss fires did alert me, but not overly so. As one commenter mentioned, sometimes the mfg preservative coatings can be an issue. I've heard some of the boutique companies may use pretty hard primers too. (interestingly the M&P set them off). Also, as happened to me many years ago with a brand new Ruger .45 acp (P-90 Special Edition), I was getting an inordinate amount of light strikes / miss fires. I sent it back and they fixed the problem. It can happen, and be remedied by the mfg. (Still disappointing when you spend money on "quality" and it glitches like that).
You sir, show the reason why we put 500 rounds through our new firearms evaluating each shot, to discover these issues before a life or death encounter, and address it to satisfaction.....then retest again. I'll check the other vids / channel you referenced. Thank You ! Be safe! Thank you for your service !
Never to late BackCountry appreciate you stopping by. You captured the exact essence I was trying to capture with this video!
I have both pistols and I changed the recoil spring to a 24 lb and a HD magazine spring and replaced both barrels with Barsto precision barrels , no one ftf or any problems. I have tested various ammo brands and I have reloaded 135 grain noslers at 1650 fps and 165 grain jhp at 1450 fps 180 grain jhp xtp at 1350 fps 200 grain hardcast from Montana bullet co at 1261 fps no problem. I took a big bobcat with the hardcast through the head and blew his eye out with the xdm 4.5 . I love these pistols. I have bren ten and about 25 10 mm it's a good round. Good video sir. Semper Fi
Excellent video Marine! I'd love to see a gel test for that Double Tap ammo. Especially from a 6" Blackhawk or S&W 610.
Now that is exciting Scott may just have to do that. Though you may want to take a look at Buffalo Bore out of this 8inch revolver ruclips.net/video/O_k5nKfjrX0/видео.html
I just bought a smith 10mm revolver. I have shot 180 grain and 200 grain through it so far. Only shot 15 rounds of both so far. I like it. But that is my opinion. Sorry it is a four inch barrel.
I actually did not buy the M&P 10mm 2.0 due to the trigger. The XDM OSP Elite in 10mm is fantastic imo and the trigger is outstanding.
Picked my XDM up today. Great Firearm.
The m&p trigger is better than a gen 4 Glock 20 and feeds just as reliable
That Buffalo Bore 220 Hard cast is what I would carry in bear country if packing a 10mm for defense.
I went with the m&p and i agree im not a fan of the trigger but i also haven't shot the springfield yet so idk whats really best for me but other than the trigger the m&p is phenomenal ive put maybe 1000 rounds through it and haven't had a malfunction yet but i haven't gotten my hands on some super spicey rounda yet
@@rollingolden1013 if you have any issues with it feeding in the hood of the barrel, go to Galloway precision and order a heavier recoil spring, it's what I've had to do
This is a fantastic video and I enjoyed watching it all the way thru!
Great review and thank you for your service to this great nation!
FYI, APEX finally approved their trigger for the M&P 10mm. Thanks for the video, good job.
Thank you for the info I did not know that.
I love 10mm, I own a g20,sig xten,springfield xdm elite and they all shoot great no problems as of yet. My sig 10mm has the best trigger out of them all. Just placed a s&w m&p 2.0 in layaway at my local dealer. Mainly because the s&w mp passed a mud test pretty well on another channel. It wasn't a 10mm but I figured it would do just as well. Although its best to just keep your firearms out of the mud.
Can you tell the recoil difference in th9se three guns?
Always great video content ..to the point ..entertaining..informative ...great job again ..🇺🇸
Thank you Kreiger69 stick around some 10MM carbine might be coming HINT HINT
Great review! Basically the 2 I’m between. Leaning towards the xdm elite because of negative views I’ve watched/read concerning hp loads in the m&p. Looking to get 10mm for woods, hikes etc so hp is a must. I LOVE the grip on the m&p by FAR, but stated purpose is an absolute must. I’ve seen $100 rebates for the m&p putting it at $489. That would leave some room to get 20#-24# recoil spring and stronger mag springs too. Any input would be appreciated. Most importantly, thank you for your service!! 👍
You need no advice man you got it. Guess what has been 100% after I made my changes 24# recoil and extra length magazine springs and she has bene flawless. 😁😁
The Smith is also available with a longer barrel. I've not had any malfunctions with mine after several 100 rounds. But only 20-25 of that was the heavy Buffalo Bore. I found that the ergonomics of the S&W felt better for me. Like you, I'd prefer a metal lower. But, there are no signs of wear on mine yet. Also, I am very sensitive to poor triggers (such as on the S&W Bodyguard 380), but the one in my MP2.0 10mm is quite good. Not a Smith fanboy. None of my wheelguns are smith.
I trust the 44 more than a 10mm, but there are some places where the much lighter semi is a better choice (for example, if there are no brown bears in the area).
My load out is typically the 180grain or above. It most certainly over-penetrates for defense vs 2-legged creeps, but I prefer a 45 acp against that; the heavy 10mm is for dangerous forest dwellers.
I have XDM in 45 , and love it . Want a 10 mm , but not so sure now . New here thanks .
Hi Mark glad you stopped by. I would say remember this is the first version and I believe was break in related. May be time for me to do another video on this one. Because it was the first version I have seen these going for dirt cheap on the market
My S&W 2.0 10mm has had Underwood and DT ammo put through it. Not a problem with any of it.
In my gunsmith group there's one full time smith who's reported getting in Glock 10mm for repair. The metal inserts for the slide/rail are getting loose in the molding. This makes sense that the stress is trying to shove the inserts around and eventually they'll start to wiggle. How many rounds and what loads, etc etc?? No idea. He's the only smith that's seen the problem often enough to comment about it. Maybe there's a lot of Glock 10mm in his area. So just something to keep in mind.
Outstanding! Marine SEMPER FI 🇺🇲
The Springfield Armory XD-M Elite OSP 10mm now has a Roll/Spring pin installed in the trigger, this will prevent the pin from walking out.
They have made a few major updates but honestly I feel pin walking might be overblown. What do you think
FN 510 tactical had became my go to 10mm so far when it comes to striker fire/polymer I sold my M&P 2.0 10mm too much recoil an muzzle rise sold my gen 5 Glock after a month I got two FN510’s coyote color and the black both got 507 holosun green dot an kept the Springfield xdm elite full size
WOW you have two 510's already NICE.
Yes I had got one from scheels and another one I ordered from tombstone in Arizona. I love 10mm in a PCC like the B&T apc pro it’s phenomenal wit 10mm
That's a great comparison. It would be interesting to do the same comparison with a Glock 20 and a SIG P320 XTEN.
I'd rather have a subpar trigger that goes bang every time, than a crisp trigger that might not.
Edit: the speed and pressures of 10mm used to be standard and pretty hot, until the FedBoIs got involved and their noodly arms couldn't handle the Centimeter recoil, then the 10mm fbi (reduced) load was developed, later the 357sig (best girl) was developed and 40sw came around.
Now some range 10mm is loaded to hot 40sw power, instead of gun powder they put disappointment in the casings.
Good video I'm looking at the M&P10 Performance Center for Christmas ;)
Nice video. I ordered the Wolff 22 and 24 pound springs for the 4.6" M&P preemptively.
I have the M&P and I've got probably 1000 rounds thru her and I've not had a single issue. I run strictly Double Tap ammo except at the range I use more generic stuff but still never an issue.
My m&p 10 mm jammed 4 times in first magazine. I traded it in on a XDM elite and it has been flawless after 600 rounds.
Curious what sort of ammo were you using?
I carried the Winchester 175 grain STHP it's a full power 10mm. I used a Glock 20 in 10mm and have had several 1911 10s still carry a Kimber Camp Guard 1911 10mm and a flat earth XDM 4.5 10MM 15 SHOT. I favor the Springfield over the Glock. Yes sir a gel test would be very intetesting.
After a 10,000 round torture test for the SA you’re not sure about durability?
Sadly most people will never fire 500 rounds from there guns.
Many reviews out there of broker tips on the striker. Not sure if it was just a small defect for a few pistols or not.
Id love to see this same test with the New 5.6 ported Version of the M&P performance center in 10mm
I like your style you consider HST light loads. That was some good grouping on the paper targets.
I was really getting into this video. But after the magdump I am glad I didn't purchase either of these firearms❗I am very surprised, about the lite primer strikes 😲‼️ Out of all the ammunition, that was shot in this video. The buffalo bore 180 gr Phoenix ammo was the most impressive 💯
I hear talk of G20s having issues, but having Gen 2 multiple Gen 3s and now a Gen5, I have not had any issues, and I am talking about running stout hand loads through them for more than ten years (155xtp Blue 🔵 @1550) granted that's using a 22# or heavier recoil spring, but none the less still no issues. I've not kept track of the roud count but a 200-300 round range outing isn't unusual for me. I also have both of the current XDMs and a couple of 10mm 1911s, I've had no issues with the XDMs other than they are not sprung heavy enough for the stouter loads.The 10mm 1911s of which I have owned a Rock Island, Springfield and Ruger. All had issues at first before tuning. I keep going back to G20 Gen 3 for ease of tuning and reliability. G20 Gen 4 is a no go for me. I like the grip of the M&P but can't stand the triggers, I have yet to handle one that doesn't feel like five miles of rough gravel roads. The XTen is an eh at best for me, known magazine issues not withstanding. I'm very happy with my G20gen5. Eventually I wouldn't mind giving the FN510 a try.
When testing you should run a full mag. I say this because my two glock 20s jams usually mid mag with full power loads. Mag tension is weakest mid mag allowing the slide to cycle faster then the mag can reliably feed the next round. My xdme runs the same ammo perfectly but you can feel the mag tension is much stronger.
Great video i was wondering about the Springfield xd first gen, in any case i just got a Sig p320 X10 I've only got 50rds fmj through it no issues so far, but now i have a torn tendon in my strong arm elbow from starting my backup generator.... No shooting for a while 🙄
But on the other hand. The Turkeys Opinion has a 3.8 XDM. And he smokes all kinds of ammo, without a feed jam or lite primer strikes 💯
I just got a M&P 2.0 4.6”. I’ve only put 9 rounds through it. 5 of which where Buffalo Bore. The fifth round nosed up in the camber and didn’t feed. I just got some more ammo for it and reloaded some to tryout.
Glock 20 springs will fit, and Wolff springs fit the 4.6, get a 22lb spring or 24. The stock spring is for "off the shelf" 10mm which is basically .40 S&W. Full House loads will need more spring as the slide out paces the mag on hot loads. I know this because of the way you described your FTF. The other way to counter this without changing parts unironically is being a worse shooter and allowing more recoil and flip to slow down the slide haha! I wonder if S&W Factored that in as well lol!
I just received a S&W 4” 10mm. The trigger is great, so they must’ve solved that problem. Feels just like my Shield Plus.
I say gel test all of them! Well, maybe not the hardcast, but definitely the hollow points
Good stuff Mr revolver guy I've got the 44 magnum Taurus great pistol
I'll take a simple failure to feed which is easy to correct with the roght recoil spring, over a stryker failure any day of the week.
Great job, Marine; Great job!!!!!!
Thanks Brian
Tried a 4.6 “ m and p. Couldn’t get it to run, sent it back three times, still didn’t run with the same ammo as my 1911s. Guess I’ll stick with them
Those buffalo bore deep hollow points would be interesting to see in some gel.
I am looking for a 10mm but cant seem to settle on one. I want one with adjustable sights because i reload. Thanks for the ammo selection test!
Well I have the smith 4.6 the XDM 4.6 the Glock 20 and the sig X10 I’ve never had a problem
I'm thinking those silver tips may have a hard primer rather than a soft strike.... inconsistent primers finally fired after 3rd try after they got loosened up.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Have you tried the new High-Point 10mm? Best wishes.
Buy the Suppressor Tritium Height Night Sights from Trijicon for the XDM. I had zero jams or misfeeds with old XDM. The trigger was O.K. It is definitely not a Walther pistol trigger.
That’s what I’m talking about , buffalo outdoors load 220 g is a pill. Semper Fi my brother
awesome video once again sir...
To really test the 10 please use the Underwood 200 and 220 grain cast rounds..
Have the M&P have not had a problem with it.
I have a Glock 20 Gen 3 and G29 and never had a problem like these two pistols.
Curious have you shot the 220gr Buffalo Bore out of either?
@@Dayattherange I have used an aftermarket Lonewolf barrel for Hard Cast Lead in my G20 for issues of bullets tumbling in factory Glock barrels. Hickok45 did a video on it.
I’m completely satisfied with the Glock pistols. I owned a S&W 1006 that I let go because it sat in my safe since the Glock was just more comfortable to carry and shoot.
Why would one not thoroughly clean & correctly lubricate absolutely EVERY new firearm, especially when there was even a hint of a possible trigger problem "out of the box" (i.e., the "grit " with the M&P, supposed "grease" in the XDM)? Why take a brand new firearm and somehow judge it's actual reliability based solely upon the "out of the box" condition, instead of using normal, common-sense measures to 1st insure that the performance actually reflects the weapon's capability? Too much Glock-inspired "no break-in is ever needed, one needs to out of the box torture test, no need to clean for 1K rounds, etc." mentality, IMHO. Who actually takes an "out of the box" weapon hunting or to a gunfight? A few light primer strikes in a brand new firearm is hardly a rare occurance. P.S. The actual test format, BTW, was excellent.
Ok Norman well not quite from box then. Nothing but honesty here patch thru barrel and quick wipe down of the rails with a couple of drops of lube, at least that I remember at this point. I say that because that's my normal routine. They are putting more oil on them these days than they do anymore the actual grease corrosion protection. Hope to see you around.
@@Dayattherange Great! Now, how's about a reliability retest with the M&P's trigger de-gritted", the XTP's striker channel de-greased...? Actually, the last test firings with the mixed magazines and ammo varieties can be improved upon just by loading them up randomly: I do this with my reloads (in multiple caliber firearms) attempting definitive tests of both the guns themselves and of my reloading products. Certainly would hope most quality firearms using factory ammo loaded randomly in factory magazines would reliably perform routinely: this is a test that can easily demonstrate if anything needs correcting, both from the mechanical and ammunition standpoints.
I own both of these 10mm guns as well as a Glock 29 & a Kimber 5" 1911. They all had break in malfunctions. The 3 polymer guns all function perfectly now with everything I feed them, including the Buffalo Bore. The stainless Kimber is still struggling with failure to feed, failure to eject and light strikes. Did I get a lemon? IDK, but all 3 polymers function fine.
Well if you believe the Kimber manual it says 500 rounds for break in
My friend just got the 10mm m&p we took ot out and couldn't go one magazine without having trouble feeding a round when it was 5 rounds left on them.
Thank you for the video!
Can a polymer gun withstand the pressures of 10mm? Glocks have been doing it for 30 years
With quiet a few blowing up lol. That said I have 2 glock 20s but if loaded hot asking for trouble. I had hot swamp fox ammo back in the day buldge cases bad and jam every round.
Would love to see you redo this video and add the Taurus TH
At 18:50, I was totally confused, too. 😅. Maybe the xd would have on a third try.
Thank you very much , I’m trying to decide , I have my high on high power , but even tough I’m 68 I luv 45 , wonder how much extra recoil going 10 mm & finding ammo . Do me a favor, have great week . Be vigilant & safe .
It's the tight chamber on the XD match barrel causing the issue. I have an XD ELITE, so far so good
I have the M&P 4 inch also. It has the same feed issue for me as well. Still wondering if I should trade it for something with peace of mind but with more than 10 rounds…
Just found this video, I subscribed 👍🏻
Much appreciated B, there are more 10MM video's to come.
Not sure "venerable" (commanding respect by virtue of age...) is the word you are looking for -- since it is a comparatively new cartridge.
I didn't like the XDM at all except the trigger. Didn't like the Gen5 Glock. Brought home a 4" 2.0
Don't like the trigger, but it's workable. We'll see
Not sure what your talking about, Glock has been doing 10mm poly for decades.
Who knows how the manufacturer is testing their ammo. They could using a 10 or 16 inch barrel. I expected the S&W to out perform the Springfield. Some guns just don't like certain brands. Always follow the manufacturers recommendations for best results. Interesting how most of your rounds are going low and to the left. To me that's indicative of technique. Periodically you'd correct yourself and be dead on. You could fine tune your technique pretty easy, but regardless, every hit is within acceptable limits and would be 100% effective and acceptable in combat. I know it's sometimes difficult to relax when theres a round under the hammer.
I know they're not for you, but I've never had an issue with G20
Same here.
I've had bad luck with a gen 3 and gen 4 20 loaded hot. Unreliable with full power but shoots mid low power perfectly. New xdm elite 10mms have been perfect with all ammo so far including the hot buffalo bore and underwood that fail to feed in my glocks.
Sold my xdm elite. Did not like the grip at all. Have a 2.0 with apex trigger and love it. Xdm had a better trigger out the box though.
Double Tap was like 100-140 fps 📴 what was on the box 🤔
Comparing the newest, greatest offering from S&W against the outdated offering from SA??? Should have used the XDM Elite 3.8" for a true comparison. I'm practically a M&P fanboy, but the 3.8" Elite would have spanked the M&P. Grip, trigger, sights and overall ergonomics of the Elite are superior, and it flat eats EVERYTHING! You should give one a shot....
Feed failure or was it a firing pin strike failure?
Hate to point it out but the Doubletap 1600 says "5" on the box.
I'll stick with my colt delta elite
I need to get myself a 10mike mike.
Hi Brother, THank you for your great content. Would you mind to do a honest review for our red dot on the 10mm?