I think just more Mace Windu would be awesome. I always hoping he survived that fall and came back at some hidden point in history. The guy perfected form 7 from a predominantly Sith style into a weapon for the light and he was only true master of it by the end. Such valuable knowledge shouldn't go to waste.
21:19 I always thought Kenobi was fighting Vader primarily to give the others time to escape. He had said previously that he's too old to go out on adventures. It always seemed to me that his intention wasn't to defeat Vader, that he knew that somehow it was Luke's fate to defeat him on his path to becoming a Jedi (part of Kenobi's "being mindful of the future"). He knew he was to become one with the Force eventually, and giving his life to help his friends was intended on his part. Saying that Old Ben was too old and frail to defeat Vader misses the whole purpose of the battle, in my opinion.
+Daric I think you are correct in the sense that Obi Wan knew that he himself was not destined to defeat Vader. Although I think he did truly intend to kill Vader at first. But then, when he saw Luke and the others trying to escape, Obi Wan willingly gave his own life because he realized (at that moment only) that it was the will of the force that Luke defeat Vader; as you can see in the look Obi Wan gives Luke right before he lowers his guard and allows Vader to kill him.
I gotta say it, I would love to watch another catfight. This time between the two biggest love interests with dark tidings in the history of Star Wars lore: Mara Jade Skywalker vs. Bastilla Shan nowhere near as "Mary Sue" as their respective husbands, and since Mara Jade is my favourite Star Wars character, anything with her to me is pure gold; even if she were to lose the match. Cheers :D
Lucas once told that there's no story past Episode VI, and I quote "The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married." That being said, I like Mara Jade myself, but I hate almost everything in the post Ep VI. I believe we may find some nice characters in EU, but very bad storylines. the prophecy of the Chosen One is trashed and forgotten, we have the lost tribe and basically Sith everywhere, not including Palpatine who keeps cloning himself. Most of the EU is trash, don't you agree?
Wes Collins hahahahah Obamacare. The EU is not trash. It's an "Expansion of the star wars Universe". E+U=EU. Yes some stories overlap and don't make sense, but they should at least bring back some of the stories that don't correlate with Episode VII
Wes Collins probably bastila because more skilled than mara jade but mara jade is very powerful. Very complicated, I don't know. Let's give it a decision by taking everyone's comments.
this may sound silly, but all your versus series videos have led me to critically examine my own skills and weaknesses as a martial artist thanks mayne
Jensaarai1, you are the greatest! You wanted to have something where Qui-Gon wins against Obi-Wan! I will SMASH that subscribe button so hard, the galaxy will explode! Thank you for making this video!!! Exactly what I needed!
I enjoy your episodes so much from the bottom of my heart seriously thank you please keep every and all information and knowledge coming, I highly appreciated
Was Kenobi even trying to beat Vader? I always thought it was a delaying action to give Luke time to escape. This would mean that he wouldn't be trying to win, just prolong the fight. Furthermore, the fight between him and Vader was guided by a different philosophy of lightsaber combat. At that point the idea was that lightsabers were incredibly heavy, explaining the slower technique used by Kenobi and Vader. The explanations given here are merely an attempt to unify canon, between two portrayals of Lightsaber combat. Remember, while Kenobi would have been meditating a lot on Tatooine, he would still be fighting sand-people so his skills would not have atrophied that much. Plus, during A New Hope there wasn't any need for force push, and the SFX necessary to portray telekinesis were probably too much of a bother for it to be portrayed. Let's not kid ourselves, if George were to redo that lightsaber battle Kenobi and Vader would be doing some pretty impressive stuff. Therefore we can question the validity of the battle seen in the movie and assume greater ability on the part of Kenobi and Vader.
I always saw it as a symbolic gesture to Anakin. Like Ben had died years ago when he failed to save Anakin and failed to live up to his own Jedi Code. He let Vader strike him down because it wasn't about being able to fight him or not it was the dialogue. "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." I think he was telling him that by extracting his revenge he no doubt thought about constantly that he would realize it was pointless or even self defeating. He would find that he was empty and start to think on his actions and time spent. By allowing himself to die to Vader he killed the last part of Vader. I think that if not for that moment he would have stayed Vader and not had his change of heart in Return of Jedi. But this is all just conjecture and I'm sure it can be proven wrong. I simply like to think that old Ben thought long and hard how he hurt Anakin when he was supposed to be his teacher and knew the only way to unite Anakin and his son was through this act of penance.
I think he realised he couldn't beat Vader and realised that Luke would try and help him if he continued the fight so decided the best way to save them was to sacrifice himself. I don't think he wanted that from the beginning but he just decided it was the best way to save them. Remember he said "if you strike me down...." meaning he wasn't on a suicide mission (otherwise there'd be no if) but wasn't afraid to lose his life if needed. So yeah, I do think he was trying to beat him just couldn't so let Vader beat him.
He was unable to win, if you read the official novel you will know. Ben felt exhausted and he believed that eventually Vader will cut through and overload his defense. So he choose to suicide in order to finally became one with the force.
Okay, for your force powers section... we KNOW that Obi-Wan had REALLY strong force powers during the Clone Wars, YOU SAID that his body had atrophied, in part, because he had focused heavily on meditating/communing with the force during his exile. I think we can safely assume that by the time he became "Old Ben" he had cultivated a strong enough connection with the force that he probably had Yoda-like abilities to lift HEAVY objects and do crazy shit with the force. We just didn't see it because George didn't want to give the secrets of the force away all at once in the first film. Plus, Obi-Wan was a humble guy who wasn't prone to large displays of power... doesn't mean he wasn't capable of them. I think when it comes to ranking force powers, you should assume that if a force user has a strong enough connection to the force that they can transcend the physical and become a force ghost, then they can do all the lower-level telekinesis shit too. In that regard, I should probably note that you chronically underrate Qui-Gon's powers in many of these videos as well.
If what you say is true and he has Yoda like abilities then they would have deteriorated due to age ben being human would make the deterioration more prevalent.
You should do Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader! Though Anakin was the most powerful in the force, he had little understanding. While Anakin- post suit was a master of strategy and had the boost of robotic power to make up for it. youth vs. experience.
That's true. I agree with ya. ROTS Obi wan has had much more time actually fighting Sith lords than Quigon did. Especially if you count the Clone Wars. Good video! I like seeing someone different then what you usually use.
There's a legend how Liam Neeson came to Star Wars. Obi-Wan smirked to Luke a second before he passed away, and this is why Lucas was searching for an actor who smirks to play Qui-Gon. Neeson and Lucas spent half an hour talking without a single word about Star Wars, and then Neeson was immediately accepted!
On the surface I really do agree with your conclusion here Jensaarai. On the surface there's no debate, just look at the two films and it's blatantly obvious. But the problem as I see it, the thing that needs to be addressed, is that while, yes, we're dealing in demonstrated abilities, we also have to be aware of the fact that there's nothing to suggest Ben Kenobi had LOST any of his previous abilities. And if we're unable to find suitable reasons as to why he might, then surely he has to be considered capable of using the skillset he honed as a younger man, regardless of what we saw. As pure speculation, I can see a Jedi living out in the outskirts of Tatooine being focused and dedicated towards peace, which is to say Obi-Wan most likely focused on and learned the more subterfuge types of arts within the Force, as demonstrated by his Force Persuasion of the Stormtroopers, I'm sure he became legendary in that and Animal Affinity. But why wouldn't he have a powerful Force blast in him? Yoda was still able to lift an X-wing, surely Kenobi could do something similar? We never heard of Obi-Wan losing his connection to the Force. There's one factor I want to put forward also. Vader with his durability and direct style may actually have prohibited Obi-Wan from showing his true abilities, perhaps he simply didn't have time to delve into his cache of techniques. Qui-Gon was neither physically as powerful nor mentally as aggressive as Vader, and that is a factor when considering the duel, I believe he would have had less pressure on his defence and more ability to make decisions fighting Jinn. Didn't Vader adapt to Makashi in his cyborg state? And Kenobi definitely struggled when Dooku used the style. Different combatants will be different challenges, and I think an Ataru-inspired Qui-Gon is an entirely different fight for Kenobi. On the other hand, perhaps Obi-Wan has simply decided to die, and follow Luke eternally as a Force Ghost. If this is true, he gains a useful ability to be ever-present, shows Luke the power of the Force, and allows him to see the true extent of Vader's malice, essential in counter-acting Luke's possible compassion for his kin. Lucas DID say he had to kill off Obi-Wan, and Yoda was the replacement character for Luke. Under these circumstances, we never truly see Ben's ability because he's chosen to undertake a far different role than a simple combatant, and let's be honest, as the saviour, Luke needed to stand alone, he had to become used to carrying the burden of protecting and dueling without aid. Perhaps if Ben lived he was worried about Luke becoming dependent, when he simply had to be strong on his own. In any case, good video. I personally believe Obi-Wan had more than enough in him, even at that age, to take on Qui-Gon. I think his experience and success in actual battlefield scenarios, his enduring survival in the middle of nowhere, and his feats such as defeating Maul and Grievous, all stand firmly in his favour, and a battle between the two would be very close, but ultimately I don't doubt Kenobi's experience and overall talent in the Force to come through for him.
Ok. While your analysis is relatively fair based on video evidence, I think the relative times these characters were developed throws a big wrench in your argument. Out of all the featured characters in all the movies, old Ben kenobi might be the most underdeveloped as a duelist and force wielder. At the time a new hope was made, the thought of old, wizard like Jedi having to duel never crossed Lucas's mind. Hence, yoda and obi wan were relegated to "merlin" like character traits. By the time episode 2 was released and you had yoda and dooku flying around and standing two to toe with young warriors, everything changed. Based on this perspective, I'd have to assume, given better technology, kenobi holds up much better. He still probably has some rust to shake off, but force abilities and force augmentation alone would have been enough to defeat the very limited qui gon. At least limited compared to what we all know obi-wan has shown us in the past. Obi wan in 30 seconds or less
The only problem I have with this is how he was predicted in the 4TH movie. When Lucas first came up with the idea of the Lightsaber duel he said that they were supposed to be very heavy two handed weapons. Impossible to really fight with 1 hand. When Empire came out he changed it into the fast moving acrobatic dance that made the genre so fun to watch.
I love watching these, keep em coming mate. BTW, for a good laugh, watch this with captions enabled. It's like english translated to another language then back again.
I just want to say that i just LOVE ur versus videos. I would like to suggest Doing new characters like Jaina Solo Fel vs some sort of sith lord like Count Dooku.
Enjoyable watch as all ways :) I have a suggestion for a match up that I believe would be interesting, sine they have not been featured before. Plo Koon vs Ki-Adi-Mundi
Hi Jensaarai, would love if you did a versus analysis on two characters you haven't done before. Quinlan Vos vs Plo Koon I think would be a great battle to break down. Love your work!
I wouldn't say this was exactly fair, since Old Ben was portrayed in a very different movie with very different goals. If a new movie, book, or graphic novel was created for Ben Kenobi you'd see a very different interpretation. All the concepts of Jedi combat and age suppression weren't fleshed out yet by any means and George Lucas really had no idea what he was getting into (or doing for that matter). It's safe to say that the fighting skills demonstrated by Ben & Vader was a product of choreography as opposed to lore. Jinn and Ben were not as connected to the force as Yoda, Sidious or Dooku, who could use the Force to make up for infirmity and Ben was at least 10 years older than Qui-Gon, which for ordinary aging men can make a world of difference, so I wouldn't say they're in the same age category either. I also feel it important to make mention of Kenobi's amazing use of Jedi mind powers and Force healing, which I felt were underrated in this vid or in the case of healing not mentioned. Luke most likely had a concussion after being beaten into unconsciousness by that Tusken Raider's rifle - Ben healed him in a matter of seconds. Qui-Gon's use of Force powers was elementary compared to what Kenobi demonstrated in 'A New Hope'.Not only did Ben drop the mind trick but he also managed to freely move through the most heavily guarded instillation in all the Empire completely undetected with the exception of Vader, whom he allowed to detect him as part of his plan for Luke and the other's escape. His use of the Force and tactical mind made him virtually invisible, and I don't think the incompetent security of the Trade Federation and their brainless droids compare to that of the Deathstar, so this is a totally different feat. He also did that cool trick with making groups of Sand People think he was a raging monster. It's safe to say that Kenobi would get the drop on Qui-Gon since these tactical advantages are the exact Kryptonite to Qui-Gon's impulsive mentality and fighting style. Kenobi's Soresu would be more than capable of repelling Jinn's less than amazing Ataru, and his superior experience would allow him an easy counter. The fight would end with Ben knocking him unconscious after a short duel that starts on the wrong foot for Jinn. "Sorry, old friend, but this time you'll have to let me handle the fight alone."
Depends on the situation In a straight up fight, Sidious wins. They are on par with combative force powers and Sidious is by far the better lightsaber duelist If you give them both prep time, Vitiate wins by using his Villain Stu sith sorcery bullshit
Has no one thought that old Ben is so slow because there wasn't the CGI available at the time to make an old man jump around, like they dos with Christopher Lee as Dooku
You could argue that Qui-Gon did kill Ben Kenobi, by making him promise to train Anakin Vader, who would eventually kill his former master. Well, from a certain point of view...
Jensaarai1, thx for the very detailed and highly analytical perspective on the Star Wars characters we have all grown to love. That being said, I like to point out an important detail about Old Ben that was not readily mentioned. Old Ben's confrontation to Darth Vader was not "timidity" due to his infirmities as much as it was an incentive for young Skywalker. As a force spirit, Ben, offered more help and guidance to Luke as Ben would have while still living. Ben staged his death, at the hands of Vader, because Ben knew that Luke would eventually know who his father was and Ben's sacrifice was just enough to prevent Luke turning to the dark side. Your thoughts. Love what you're doing, please keep it up.
I wouldn't go that far with both opinions! Because of Mace's Vaapad style he always has an advantage vs a darksider! He can fight Sideous to a standstill so I believe he can defeat anyone on the list. But at the same time each has their own style and skills that could overcome Windu. We don't know with certainty who would win in any of the matchups.
***** Windu can and has used abilities like grip before (Grievous), please note I am a big Windu fanboy so I did read his book and watch the shows with episodes with him. He's actually very strong in the force and is able to push whole battalions of droids, augment his own physical ability to match Vader, etc.... I think hes about the same if not better. Though Vader is a genius with experience, and good at improvising on the spot so I wouldn't say the fight would be one sided in any sense. I do wish Jen would do the video so I'd hear his opinion on it.
***** maybe so, but remember anakin/vader was one of the best duelist ever. and that holds still while he is vader. i think it would be a crazy awesome duel, but vader would come out on top
When Old Ben fought Darth Vader on the Death Star, he was only stalling so the others could escape. And rather than being defeated, he disappeared before that blade ever hit him.
***** I do like it for that regard, but ultimately, it's not too fair a contest... depending on which Darth Vader you're talking about: pre or post-Mustafar, and how long after Mustafar.
EdtheBoss9000 I too think Bane would be the victor, but I think it would be a damn good fight. Plus, believe me, there are plenty of Star Wars fans out there who think Vader would win... I've argued with them.
if vader can multitask (lightsaber combat and force abilities at the same exact moment) the n he wins. the moment vader grips Greivous with the force, vader would crush him like Mace crushed Greivous, but more severely, dismantling the general. if he can't multitask then he would be overwhelmed
Also, Dooku did not have that much practice for a time since leaving the Jedi order and battling Kenobi and Anakin, albeit it was a shorter amount of time. He was also MUCH older. The two most powerful force users in the Star Wars universe, Yoda and Palpatine, are also the oldest or in Palpatine's case, close to.
When you say Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker, I'm assuming you're talking about Empire Strikes Back or Return of The Jedi Luke. In which case, he would get his ass handed to him by his 20 something father, no question. Grandmaster Luke however, would wipe the floor with Anakin.
jed52 The interesting question then, is where in Luke's life is the tipping point? By what year does Luke have dear old dad beat? Ep 6 Luke won't get it done, but somewhere in the EU, he will surpass his dad completely.
Alternatively, the first time Jinn sends an undefended limb at Kenobi, it gets removed. Remember that Obi-Wan was known to leave the limbs of his enemies scattered across the galaxy.
I still think people underestimate Darth Vader. It sees that after he got used to his suit it wasnt as uncomfortable as everyone puts it. It also seems that adjusting his style made him more agile as well and all and all he has made up for his injures. That being said can you do a vs between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader? Only you can do it right Jensaarai. It will be a battle for the ages. Help me Jensaarai you are my only hope.
Heh, no offense Jensaarai, but it sounds like you decided to flip a one-sided battle so that it'd be in Qui-Gon's favor for a change. "Clone War Kenobi would have annihilated Qui-Gon, so I'm gonna let Qui-Gon annihilate Old Ben" is basically what you did here. :P Anyways, good video all the same. There's a couple of fights that I'd love to see you cover. - Young Luke Skywalker vs. Starkiller(Sith Stalker), and yes... I did get that from the FU Hoth DLC. - Emperor Palpatine vs. Emperor Vitiate - Satele Shan vs. Yoda. And yes, I know someone else asked for it already, it just sounds like a cool match-up.
I only have one thing to say that might help your channel. I love what you do and all the other RUclipsrs that do these Versus series. Though, yours is quite slow and interesting yet I almost fall asleep just listening to it. If you just could speed it up and take out the most unessecary parts from these videos, I'm sure that you would get a bigger fan base! Cause that's just how people are these days. People, especially young people, want fast paced videos. Like a iconic thing you say at the beginning and unique. I think these "Versus" videos will spread alot, throughout RUclips if more people like you, get great facts in shorter amount time of time. I personally would want some jokes being cracked, like in the middle of the video just to get the spirit up. And towards the end of the video, you should talk faster and have a more dramatic music so people can really get into it and get more excited! Though, these are just my opinions! And I hope that you read this! Cause I think that you have this (no offense intended) But you have this slow type of speech and some people might think is kind of boring. But I mean, Jwittz have that kind of voice and I find him really. interresting. (Probably because he do say some funny things and talks about some fun facts. But Star Wars is alot more serious than Pokémon and Nintendo Games so I know if it would be hard. But just a advise from a fan. And sorry for this comment being soo long!!! And I would really want to see Qui-Gon and Old Ben Kenobi VS Dooku. FYI. I am not a HardCore Star Wars fan. But this match, to me would seem quite fair.
What do you think about what Jinn may have been in his prime? The Jedi apprentice series doesn't show much, but I figured him out as an equal to the best duelists in the order (if at 60 years of age he managed to fight for 15 minute in full ataru offensive, stamina sure wasn't a problem in his prime). I think that a "prime" Jinn could defeat ROTS Obi-Wan, but that's just my opinion.
I love how you continually bring up how Obiwan was sooo intune with the force he became a force spirit, as a point......now before I continue, Obiwan is actually my favorite star wars character....well except Revan that is....but the point I'm trying to make here is, Qui Gon INVENTED the force spirit technique! he was the first.....i mean he TAUGHT YODA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! and then YODA taught it to Obiwan
+James Bennett I mean it was said that Qui Gon didn't master the technique but was on the way to mastering it . He only was able to do full reappearances in locations of immense force connection while Yoda and Obiwan mastered the technique.
+corysyourman OK well fair enough. I was just saying YODA clearly says at the end of episode 3 to Obiwan that he had been learning it from obiwans "former master". so to claim he doesn't have a good grasp of the force is wrong.
Solid Shepard Jinn has a great grasp of the force, so does obi wan. Their use of competitive force powers don't really relate to their comprehension of it all that much. They're both primarily duelists, jinn just seemed to have a hard time and a lack of interest using it in battle
Awesome video. Your video makes complete and total sense, as does your verdict. But I think you are being a bit heavy handed when you say that Kenobi threw the fight. He did it so Luke could escape
I've been thinking about this for a while now but I was re watching the lightsaber combats and a cool video you could do is a vs video on style of grips. Reversed or the standard. Another thing would be cool like the history of the lightsaber you could do the history of the force
I think the fact that you recognize the difference between Obi-Wan versus Old Ben is something that isn't completely recognized within the Star War community. Especially, in a versus match. (In my experience at least.) The ONLY quibble I have (and it is minor at best) is the fact that I thought the music in the video wasn't as epic as 'the Broken vs. the Sage' video you made. For some reason, I felt it merited a little more....fanfare? But this is just minor fanboy bitching. You came to the correct conclusions and made a good video. I'd be curious to see Old Luke and a Dooku match-up.
In new Cannon, old Ben kills Maul. I beleive Ben was being a pure distraction, living up to his duty of protecting Luke in the only fight we see him in when he is ancient. He kept it simple and let Vader play with him, because that was his plan. So I think Obi never really did let loose into the force, his whole plan when they were boarded hints at the tactical mind, but his abillity to sense Luke in trouble, his abillity to become a force ghost instantly suggests if anything obi wan became Stronger in the force than previously in the Clone Wars.
jkmik1 Yeah, i hope somehow BioWare will redeem Revan with SWTOR because at the Moment it was a Major let down. It was cool saving him but defeating him on the Imp side was like... he better not be dead. Not to mention i'm not happy with the Exile being dead because of that douchebag sith and his Vision for the sake of SWTOR's Jedi Knight Story.
No. He would automatically give TOR era Jedi the least charitable interpretation while giving his favored characters every advantage. Unless you want to see TOR characters get trashed, there'd be no point.
Jensaarai1 I enjoyed your Yoda vs Darth Plagueis video and because of Plagueis's physical feats as well as Qui-Gons I would like it if you did a Plagueis vs Qui-Gon if you haven't already.
I think using Ben Giving up on the death star as a case for anything is short sighted, you can interpret that in different ways. i always took it as him sending a message to luke while giving himself the power to aid him as a force ghost
has there ever been any thoughts of using pre-dark side anakin? i'm curious to see his analysis of that version. and also TFU 1 galen marek, since he's stated that they are two different people in the other video?
hey guys i have cool question in my option i guess I'm just wondering if savage and maul from the clone wars had survived and some how managed to avoid the emperor for like 5 or so years and maul didn't let his quest to show kenobi pain instead of just killing him get in the way how strong do you guys think the 2 would have become who could they rival and overcome that sort of thing :)
i think Mace would win, also i think the guy who makes these hates to aknolage the cartoon and that's where he would have to go to find most of his info on it
omg jinn actually won one lol I think this is a sign of the apocalypse lol. good vid and really well thought could you do a video of grand master Luke sky walker vs. exar kun. or kyp durron vs someone or darth kryat vs exar kun any way great job jen keep up the good woork
I don't think Qui-gon should be placed in this versus series simply because he has been training in blasting deflection and there was no sign of any siths roaming the galaxy until he fought Maul. If he practiced to fight against both jedi and sith effectively, he would most likely destroy some of the people that you named him against in this series. That's just my speculation.
Jensaarai1. I've been thinking if you could make another video with these two. But this time, taking Qui-Gon Jinn, in his ultimate prime, vs. Obi-Wan in his ultimate prime, at around the time of the Revenge of the Sith? :)
Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates pls. I wanna see how Steves dual mac fencing would work against Bill's form 8 windows onslaught. I'm sure it would break down to a pure GUI battle as they are both extremely powerfull combative money users.
Once again, well done. But for the love of all things star wars! make a vs. video with Grandmaster Skywalker! If not please explain why. Is it because he's near invincible?
Love your videos, but I disagree with your interpretation of the Old ben / Vader fight. I think Old ben carefully maneuvered the fight to where he wanted, like his fight vs Anikin in episode three, then sacrificed himself for several reasons. One to transcend his physical body and become one with the force. Two to strengthen Luke's resolve. Three to get the A team to escape the death star. I also think you underestimate the physical shape required to survive in a dessert and don't think Old ben would crumple with one kick as you suggest. I also disagree his form would have gotten rusty, a well disciplined Jedi like Kenobi would be practicing his form until his death, this would also help keep him in shape. That aside, thanks for another informative and thought provoking match up.
Hey jensaari 1 I got some ideas for some versus videos thanks bro Darth Vader vs Yattle (sorry for my spelling if I'm wrong) Luke Skywalker vs Darth malgus Jaina solo vs count dooku Ki adi mundi vs obi wan kenobi Satele Shan vs Darth sidious Jacen solo vs plo kun
the Hett duel happened when Ben was 39, 1 year after the clone wars ended. Ben had no duels after that until he met Vader. Nearly 18 years between duels would create a lot of rust.
Can we get a Savage Opress vs video. I know you don't like the clone wars but I think he's badass, especially when he has the robo arm and duel sided lightsaber
great match up one thing I have noticed with this video compared to others concerning obi wan in all video I see with obi wan it is stated that his most powerful force ability it to become a force ghost but as u said in this video he didn't learn it until he wad exiled so would he not be able to do it in episode 3 if he had died
wait,wait, wait! I thought you didn't take notice of TCW anymore? Nevertheless, very interesting video. I read the novel Kenobi when it was first released and many times since. I LOVE that novel! So i have become somewhat of a Ben Kenobi fanboy.xD But i am still all in for Grand Master Luke up until and including all current materiel. I'm not say i want you to make a vid on GM Luke anymore, as I've thought about how difficult it would be to gather EVERYTHING needed, as well as finding a worthy opponent.
***** Well, its not really that data on Luke is scarce it's that there's too much, and by now in the novels, he's WAY too OP. To the point were i think he could stand a chance against Lord Vitiate. I know, it's controversial, so i'll ask people to NOT argue and instead acknowledge the fact that my opinion is different. :)
A Mace Windu series would be quite awesome.
I think just more Mace Windu would be awesome. I always hoping he survived that fall and came back at some hidden point in history. The guy perfected form 7 from a predominantly Sith style into a weapon for the light and he was only true master of it by the end. Such valuable knowledge shouldn't go to waste.
I guess it'd be nice to have context as to why hes such a dick
21:19 I always thought Kenobi was fighting Vader primarily to give the others time to escape. He had said previously that he's too old to go out on adventures. It always seemed to me that his intention wasn't to defeat Vader, that he knew that somehow it was Luke's fate to defeat him on his path to becoming a Jedi (part of Kenobi's "being mindful of the future"). He knew he was to become one with the Force eventually, and giving his life to help his friends was intended on his part. Saying that Old Ben was too old and frail to defeat Vader misses the whole purpose of the battle, in my opinion.
Maybe, but he still didn't have a chance of winning.
+Paul Rhodes Yes, but not many Jedis did. Vader was known for killing most of the Jedi during the purge even after getting his armor.
+Daric I think you are correct in the sense that Obi Wan knew that he himself was not destined to defeat Vader. Although I think he did truly intend to kill Vader at first. But then, when he saw Luke and the others trying to escape, Obi Wan willingly gave his own life because he realized (at that moment only) that it was the will of the force that Luke defeat Vader; as you can see in the look Obi Wan gives Luke right before he lowers his guard and allows Vader to kill him.
I gotta say it, I would love to watch another catfight. This time between the two biggest love interests with dark tidings in the history of Star Wars lore:
Mara Jade Skywalker vs. Bastilla Shan
nowhere near as "Mary Sue" as their respective husbands, and since Mara Jade is my favourite Star Wars character, anything with her to me is pure gold; even if she were to lose the match. Cheers :D
That would be awesome!
It would be nice, but probably MJ is going to become a Non-canon character
Lucas once told that there's no story past Episode VI, and I quote "The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married."
That being said, I like Mara Jade myself, but I hate almost everything in the post Ep VI. I believe we may find some nice characters in EU, but very bad storylines. the prophecy of the Chosen One is trashed and forgotten, we have the lost tribe and basically Sith everywhere, not including Palpatine who keeps cloning himself. Most of the EU is trash, don't you agree?
Wes Collins hahahahah Obamacare.
The EU is not trash. It's an "Expansion of the star wars Universe". E+U=EU.
Yes some stories overlap and don't make sense, but they should at least bring back some of the stories that don't correlate with Episode VII
Wes Collins probably bastila because more skilled than mara jade but mara jade is very powerful. Very complicated, I don't know. Let's give it a decision by taking everyone's comments.
this may sound silly, but all your versus series videos have led me to critically examine my own skills and weaknesses as a martial artist
thanks mayne
Lyfe of Lai hey Versus videos led me to Kendo and now HEMA so I understand completely
Very nice dude
Since Disney now owns the rights to Star Wars, how about Goofy VS Jar Jar Binks?
No, Binks vs Vader! He would annoy Vader so much he killsa himself
timefreezer4 how about darth sidious vs jar jar, sidious will electrocute force himself to death out of annoyance
Hahaha good one!
timefreezer4
Or he'd just kill Binks outright instead.
holy shit I laughed so hard hahaha
Jensaarai1, you are the greatest! You wanted to have something where Qui-Gon wins against Obi-Wan! I will SMASH that subscribe button so hard, the galaxy will explode! Thank you for making this video!!! Exactly what I needed!
I enjoy your episodes so much from the bottom of my heart seriously thank you please keep every and all information and knowledge coming, I highly appreciated
love your videos man, many a debate has been settled by your detailed analysis :)
This is one of my favorite videos you've done so far. And Obi-Wan is my favorite character.
Was Kenobi even trying to beat Vader? I always thought it was a delaying action to give Luke time to escape. This would mean that he wouldn't be trying to win, just prolong the fight.
Furthermore, the fight between him and Vader was guided by a different philosophy of lightsaber combat. At that point the idea was that lightsabers were incredibly heavy, explaining the slower technique used by Kenobi and Vader. The explanations given here are merely an attempt to unify canon, between two portrayals of Lightsaber combat. Remember, while Kenobi would have been meditating a lot on Tatooine, he would still be fighting sand-people so his skills would not have atrophied that much. Plus, during A New Hope there wasn't any need for force push, and the SFX necessary to portray telekinesis were probably too much of a bother for it to be portrayed.
Let's not kid ourselves, if George were to redo that lightsaber battle Kenobi and Vader would be doing some pretty impressive stuff. Therefore we can question the validity of the battle seen in the movie and assume greater ability on the part of Kenobi and Vader.
I dont know is sand people are a formiddable opponent compared to the power of the force and the skills a lightsber
kingdellxValdez Its practice, plus a young Darth Krayt was there as well.
I always saw it as a symbolic gesture to Anakin. Like Ben had died years ago when he failed to save Anakin and failed to live up to his own Jedi Code. He let Vader strike him down because it wasn't about being able to fight him or not it was the dialogue.
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." I think he was telling him that by extracting his revenge he no doubt thought about constantly that he would realize it was pointless or even self defeating. He would find that he was empty and start to think on his actions and time spent. By allowing himself to die to Vader he killed the last part of Vader. I think that if not for that moment he would have stayed Vader and not had his change of heart in Return of Jedi.
But this is all just conjecture and I'm sure it can be proven wrong. I simply like to think that old Ben thought long and hard how he hurt Anakin when he was supposed to be his teacher and knew the only way to unite Anakin and his son was through this act of penance.
I think he realised he couldn't beat Vader and realised that Luke would try and help him if he continued the fight so decided the best way to save them was to sacrifice himself. I don't think he wanted that from the beginning but he just decided it was the best way to save them. Remember he said "if you strike me down...." meaning he wasn't on a suicide mission (otherwise there'd be no if) but wasn't afraid to lose his life if needed. So yeah, I do think he was trying to beat him just couldn't so let Vader beat him.
He was unable to win, if you read the official novel you will know. Ben felt exhausted and he believed that eventually Vader will cut through and overload his defense. So he choose to suicide in order to finally became one with the force.
Okay, for your force powers section... we KNOW that Obi-Wan had REALLY strong force powers during the Clone Wars, YOU SAID that his body had atrophied, in part, because he had focused heavily on meditating/communing with the force during his exile. I think we can safely assume that by the time he became "Old Ben" he had cultivated a strong enough connection with the force that he probably had Yoda-like abilities to lift HEAVY objects and do crazy shit with the force. We just didn't see it because George didn't want to give the secrets of the force away all at once in the first film. Plus, Obi-Wan was a humble guy who wasn't prone to large displays of power... doesn't mean he wasn't capable of them. I think when it comes to ranking force powers, you should assume that if a force user has a strong enough connection to the force that they can transcend the physical and become a force ghost, then they can do all the lower-level telekinesis shit too. In that regard, I should probably note that you chronically underrate Qui-Gon's powers in many of these videos as well.
"do crazy shit" made me laugh. but you do have some good points
If what you say is true and he has Yoda like abilities then they would have deteriorated due to age ben being human would make the deterioration more prevalent.
I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding both myself and the video, because that doesn't really make any sense.
Also Obi wan demonstrated a powerful force push enough to stalemate Darth Vaders that is a pretty notable telekinesis feat as well.
I agree, not to mention the trouble it would have been to add force powers to a lightsaber duel at that time, at least from a SFX point of view.
You should do Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader! Though Anakin was the most powerful in the force, he had little understanding. While Anakin- post suit was a master of strategy and had the boost of robotic power to make up for it. youth vs. experience.
That's true. I agree with ya. ROTS Obi wan has had much more time actually fighting Sith lords than Quigon did. Especially if you count the Clone Wars. Good video! I like seeing someone different then what you usually use.
There's a legend how Liam Neeson came to Star Wars. Obi-Wan smirked to Luke a second before he passed away, and this is why Lucas was searching for an actor who smirks to play Qui-Gon. Neeson and Lucas spent half an hour talking without a single word about Star Wars, and then Neeson was immediately accepted!
I love your videos man, you should have your own show.. you could do this for tv or something.
On the surface I really do agree with your conclusion here Jensaarai. On the surface there's no debate, just look at the two films and it's blatantly obvious. But the problem as I see it, the thing that needs to be addressed, is that while, yes, we're dealing in demonstrated abilities, we also have to be aware of the fact that there's nothing to suggest Ben Kenobi had LOST any of his previous abilities. And if we're unable to find suitable reasons as to why he might, then surely he has to be considered capable of using the skillset he honed as a younger man, regardless of what we saw. As pure speculation, I can see a Jedi living out in the outskirts of Tatooine being focused and dedicated towards peace, which is to say Obi-Wan most likely focused on and learned the more subterfuge types of arts within the Force, as demonstrated by his Force Persuasion of the Stormtroopers, I'm sure he became legendary in that and Animal Affinity. But why wouldn't he have a powerful Force blast in him? Yoda was still able to lift an X-wing, surely Kenobi could do something similar? We never heard of Obi-Wan losing his connection to the Force.
There's one factor I want to put forward also. Vader with his durability and direct style may actually have prohibited Obi-Wan from showing his true abilities, perhaps he simply didn't have time to delve into his cache of techniques. Qui-Gon was neither physically as powerful nor mentally as aggressive as Vader, and that is a factor when considering the duel, I believe he would have had less pressure on his defence and more ability to make decisions fighting Jinn. Didn't Vader adapt to Makashi in his cyborg state? And Kenobi definitely struggled when Dooku used the style. Different combatants will be different challenges, and I think an Ataru-inspired Qui-Gon is an entirely different fight for Kenobi.
On the other hand, perhaps Obi-Wan has simply decided to die, and follow Luke eternally as a Force Ghost. If this is true, he gains a useful ability to be ever-present, shows Luke the power of the Force, and allows him to see the true extent of Vader's malice, essential in counter-acting Luke's possible compassion for his kin. Lucas DID say he had to kill off Obi-Wan, and Yoda was the replacement character for Luke. Under these circumstances, we never truly see Ben's ability because he's chosen to undertake a far different role than a simple combatant, and let's be honest, as the saviour, Luke needed to stand alone, he had to become used to carrying the burden of protecting and dueling without aid. Perhaps if Ben lived he was worried about Luke becoming dependent, when he simply had to be strong on his own.
In any case, good video. I personally believe Obi-Wan had more than enough in him, even at that age, to take on Qui-Gon. I think his experience and success in actual battlefield scenarios, his enduring survival in the middle of nowhere, and his feats such as defeating Maul and Grievous, all stand firmly in his favour, and a battle between the two would be very close, but ultimately I don't doubt Kenobi's experience and overall talent in the Force to come through for him.
The real best part of this battle would be the feels, with Jinn speaking of how proud he was of Kenobi..........
Ok. While your analysis is relatively fair based on video evidence, I think the relative times these characters were developed throws a big wrench in your argument. Out of all the featured characters in all the movies, old Ben kenobi might be the most underdeveloped as a duelist and force wielder. At the time a new hope was made, the thought of old, wizard like Jedi having to duel never crossed Lucas's mind. Hence, yoda and obi wan were relegated to "merlin" like character traits. By the time episode 2 was released and you had yoda and dooku flying around and standing two to toe with young warriors, everything changed. Based on this perspective, I'd have to assume, given better technology, kenobi holds up much better. He still probably has some rust to shake off, but force abilities and force augmentation alone would have been enough to defeat the very limited qui gon. At least limited compared to what we all know obi-wan has shown us in the past. Obi wan in 30 seconds or less
The only problem I have with this is how he was predicted in the 4TH movie. When Lucas first came up with the idea of the Lightsaber duel he said that they were supposed to be very heavy two handed weapons. Impossible to really fight with 1 hand.
When Empire came out he changed it into the fast moving acrobatic dance that made the genre so fun to watch.
I love watching these, keep em coming mate.
BTW, for a good laugh, watch this with captions enabled. It's like english translated to another language then back again.
I just want to say that i just LOVE ur versus videos. I would like to suggest Doing new characters like Jaina Solo Fel vs some sort of sith lord like Count Dooku.
Enjoyable watch as all ways :)
I have a suggestion for a match up that I believe would be interesting, sine they have not been featured before.
Plo Koon vs Ki-Adi-Mundi
Hi Jensaarai, would love if you did a versus analysis on two characters you haven't done before. Quinlan Vos vs Plo Koon I think would be a great battle to break down. Love your work!
I’d say Plo Koon
Luke Skywalker vs Anakin Skywalker would be extremely interesting. Or more battles with Obi-wan Kenobi. Revan and Bane would also have cool match ups.
I wouldn't say this was exactly fair, since Old Ben was portrayed in a very different movie with very different goals. If a new movie, book, or graphic novel was created for Ben Kenobi you'd see a very different interpretation. All the concepts of Jedi combat and age suppression weren't fleshed out yet by any means and George Lucas really had no idea what he was getting into (or doing for that matter). It's safe to say that the fighting skills demonstrated by Ben & Vader was a product of choreography as opposed to lore. Jinn and Ben were not as connected to the force as Yoda, Sidious or Dooku, who could use the Force to make up for infirmity and Ben was at least 10 years older than Qui-Gon, which for ordinary aging men can make a world of difference, so I wouldn't say they're in the same age category either.
I also feel it important to make mention of Kenobi's amazing use of Jedi mind powers and Force healing, which I felt were underrated in this vid or in the case of healing not mentioned. Luke most likely had a concussion after being beaten into unconsciousness by that Tusken Raider's rifle - Ben healed him in a matter of seconds. Qui-Gon's use of Force powers was elementary compared to what Kenobi demonstrated in 'A New Hope'.Not only did Ben drop the mind trick but he also managed to freely move through the most heavily guarded instillation in all the Empire completely undetected with the exception of Vader, whom he allowed to detect him as part of his plan for Luke and the other's escape. His use of the Force and tactical mind made him virtually invisible, and I don't think the incompetent security of the Trade Federation and their brainless droids compare to that of the Deathstar, so this is a totally different feat. He also did that cool trick with making groups of Sand People think he was a raging monster. It's safe to say that Kenobi would get the drop on Qui-Gon since these tactical advantages are the exact Kryptonite to Qui-Gon's impulsive mentality and fighting style. Kenobi's Soresu would be more than capable of repelling Jinn's less than amazing Ataru, and his superior experience would allow him an easy counter. The fight would end with Ben knocking him unconscious after a short duel that starts on the wrong foot for Jinn.
"Sorry, old friend, but this time you'll have to let me handle the fight alone."
I completely agree
I LOVE the odst soundtrack. Excellent use in the video! And excellent video!
I really want to see you review a battle many people would love to see:
Emperor vs. Emperor : Vitiate vs. Palpatine
Vitiate vs Sidious: Sidious
Valkorion vs Sidious: Valkorion
Depends on the situation
In a straight up fight, Sidious wins. They are on par with combative force powers and Sidious is by far the better lightsaber duelist
If you give them both prep time, Vitiate wins by using his Villain Stu sith sorcery bullshit
Has no one thought that old Ben is so slow because there wasn't the CGI available at the time to make an old man jump around, like they dos with Christopher Lee as Dooku
your halo ODST background music is why i subscribed... great vid too lol
100% agree with you this time.
But I have to add one point:
Kenobi was 57 in ANH, and Jinn was 60 in TPM. So Jinn was the older one.
You could argue that Qui-Gon did kill Ben Kenobi, by making him promise to train Anakin Vader, who would eventually kill his former master. Well, from a certain point of view...
Pretty deep.
Shimi Skywalker killed the younglings by giving birth to Anakin
Jensaarai1, thx for the very detailed and highly analytical perspective on the Star Wars characters we have all grown to love. That being said, I like to point out an important detail about Old Ben that was not readily mentioned. Old Ben's confrontation to Darth Vader was not "timidity" due to his infirmities as much as it was an incentive for young Skywalker. As a force spirit, Ben, offered more help and guidance to Luke as Ben would have while still living. Ben staged his death, at the hands of Vader, because Ben knew that Luke would eventually know who his father was and Ben's sacrifice was just enough to prevent Luke turning to the dark side. Your thoughts. Love what you're doing, please keep it up.
R2 D2 vs A Crate Dragon? R2 was the true "Chosen One."
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Mace Windu match up! Vs Dooku, Darth Bane, Luke Skywalker, or Darth Krayt would all be good match ups.
Shot or Even Darth Vader would be awesome
***** he couldn't beat vader. dooku, bane, luke would be interesting though
I wouldn't go that far with both opinions! Because of Mace's Vaapad style he always has an advantage vs a darksider! He can fight Sideous to a standstill so I believe he can defeat anyone on the list. But at the same time each has their own style and skills that could overcome Windu. We don't know with certainty who would win in any of the matchups.
***** Windu can and has used abilities like grip before (Grievous), please note I am a big Windu fanboy so I did read his book and watch the shows with episodes with him. He's actually very strong in the force and is able to push whole battalions of droids, augment his own physical ability to match Vader, etc.... I think hes about the same if not better. Though Vader is a genius with experience, and good at improvising on the spot so I wouldn't say the fight would be one sided in any sense. I do wish Jen would do the video so I'd hear his opinion on it.
***** maybe so, but remember anakin/vader was one of the best duelist ever. and that holds still while he is vader. i think it would be a crazy awesome duel, but vader would come out on top
When Old Ben fought Darth Vader on the Death Star, he was only stalling so the others could escape. And rather than being defeated, he disappeared before that blade ever hit him.
Darth Bane vs. Darth Vader please. (Yes, I will request this on every one of your videos until I see it happen.)
Darth Bane would win definitely
***** I do like it for that regard, but ultimately, it's not too fair a contest... depending on which Darth Vader you're talking about: pre or post-Mustafar, and how long after Mustafar.
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I too think Bane would be the victor, but I think it would be a damn good fight. Plus, believe me, there are plenty of Star Wars fans out there who think Vader would win... I've argued with them.
TinyTorah He did make a Bane vs Vader video. Its one of his shorts.
if vader can multitask (lightsaber combat and force abilities at the same exact moment) the n he wins. the moment vader grips Greivous with the force, vader would crush him like Mace crushed Greivous, but more severely, dismantling the general. if he can't multitask then he would be overwhelmed
Also, Dooku did not have that much practice for a time since leaving the Jedi order and battling Kenobi and Anakin, albeit it was a shorter amount of time. He was also MUCH older. The two most powerful force users in the Star Wars universe, Yoda and Palpatine, are also the oldest or in Palpatine's case, close to.
Anakin skywalker as a jedi knight vs Luke as a jedi knight? that would be an intresting one.
Luke would win George said that no matter the Jedi Luke is the ultimate no one can beat him but It would be a good fight to see
yeh
anakin skywalker no problem. Thats my opinion anyway
When you say Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker, I'm assuming you're talking about Empire Strikes Back or Return of The Jedi Luke. In which case, he would get his ass handed to him by his 20 something father, no question. Grandmaster Luke however, would wipe the floor with Anakin.
jed52 The interesting question then, is where in Luke's life is the tipping point? By what year does Luke have dear old dad beat? Ep 6 Luke won't get it done, but somewhere in the EU, he will surpass his dad completely.
Ki-adi Mundi, or Plo Koon vs. Darth Ceadus. I'm very curious to see how this would turn out.
Sounds like a stomp at first....then i remember plo is kinda badass. Not holding my breath for mundi though
Alternatively, the first time Jinn sends an undefended limb at Kenobi, it gets removed. Remember that Obi-Wan was known to leave the limbs of his enemies scattered across the galaxy.
I still think people underestimate Darth Vader. It sees that after he got used to his suit it wasnt as uncomfortable as everyone puts it. It also seems that adjusting his style made him more agile as well and all and all he has made up for his injures. That being said can you do a vs between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader? Only you can do it right Jensaarai. It will be a battle for the ages. Help me Jensaarai you are my only hope.
Boba Fett vs. Jango Fett
not even funny a dad would slaughter the son in mere seconds whats your problem
Here's an interesting one: Attack of the clones Kenobi VS old Ben Kenobi
Heh, no offense Jensaarai, but it sounds like you decided to flip a one-sided battle so that it'd be in Qui-Gon's favor for a change. "Clone War Kenobi would have annihilated Qui-Gon, so I'm gonna let Qui-Gon annihilate Old Ben" is basically what you did here. :P
Anyways, good video all the same. There's a couple of fights that I'd love to see you cover.
- Young Luke Skywalker vs. Starkiller(Sith Stalker), and yes... I did get that from the FU Hoth DLC.
- Emperor Palpatine vs. Emperor Vitiate
- Satele Shan vs. Yoda. And yes, I know someone else asked for it already, it just sounds like a cool match-up.
I only have one thing to say that might help your channel.
I love what you do and all the other RUclipsrs that do these Versus series.
Though, yours is quite slow and interesting yet I almost fall asleep just listening to it.
If you just could speed it up and take out the most unessecary parts from these videos, I'm sure that you would get a bigger fan base!
Cause that's just how people are these days. People, especially young people, want fast paced videos.
Like a iconic thing you say at the beginning and unique.
I think these "Versus" videos will spread alot, throughout RUclips if more people like you, get great facts in shorter amount time of time.
I personally would want some jokes being cracked, like in the middle of the video just to get the spirit up. And towards the end of the video, you should talk faster and have a more dramatic music so people can really get into it and get more excited!
Though, these are just my opinions! And I hope that you read this! Cause I think that you have this (no offense intended) But you have this slow type of speech and some people might think is kind of boring.
But I mean, Jwittz have that kind of voice and I find him really. interresting. (Probably because he do say some funny things and talks about some fun facts.
But Star Wars is alot more serious than Pokémon and Nintendo Games so I know if it would be hard. But just a advise from a fan.
And sorry for this comment being soo long!!!
And I would really want to see Qui-Gon and Old Ben Kenobi VS Dooku.
FYI. I am not a HardCore Star Wars fan. But this match, to me would seem quite fair.
I like how you always have halo music I too am a major star wars and halo fan.
What do you think about what Jinn may have been in his prime? The Jedi apprentice series doesn't show much, but I figured him out as an equal to the best duelists in the order (if at 60 years of age he managed to fight for 15 minute in full ataru offensive, stamina sure wasn't a problem in his prime). I think that a "prime" Jinn could defeat ROTS Obi-Wan, but that's just my opinion.
I love how you continually bring up how Obiwan was sooo intune with the force he became a force spirit, as a point......now before I continue, Obiwan is actually my favorite star wars character....well except Revan that is....but the point I'm trying to make here is, Qui Gon INVENTED the force spirit technique! he was the first.....i mean he TAUGHT YODA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! and then YODA taught it to Obiwan
+James Bennett Not quite ;) Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan the technique during his exile on Tatooine! Yoda had already hid on Dagobah at that point.
+James Bennett I mean it was said that Qui Gon didn't master the technique but was on the way to mastering it . He only was able to do full reappearances in locations of immense force connection while Yoda and Obiwan mastered the technique.
actually he learned it and he never completed the training hence he can contact the living but he can't appear as a force ghost
+corysyourman OK well fair enough. I was just saying YODA clearly says at the end of episode 3 to Obiwan that he had been learning it from obiwans "former master". so to claim he doesn't have a good grasp of the force is wrong.
Solid Shepard Jinn has a great grasp of the force, so does obi wan. Their use of competitive force powers don't really relate to their comprehension of it all that much. They're both primarily duelists, jinn just seemed to have a hard time and a lack of interest using it in battle
Have you thought about doing a versus episode with a pre-sith Anakin facing someone? That might be interesting, I think.
Jensaarai1 do you think you could do a Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt video in the future?
Awesome video. Your video makes complete and total sense, as does your verdict. But I think you are being a bit heavy handed when you say that Kenobi threw the fight. He did it so Luke could escape
I've been thinking about this for a while now but I was re watching the lightsaber combats and a cool video you could do is a vs video on style of grips. Reversed or the standard. Another thing would be cool like the history of the lightsaber you could do the history of the force
I'm anticipating a possible Kyle Katarn video. I'd really love to see who you would match him up with. :)
I think the fact that you recognize the difference between Obi-Wan versus Old Ben is something that isn't completely recognized within the Star War community. Especially, in a versus match. (In my experience at least.)
The ONLY quibble I have (and it is minor at best) is the fact that I thought the music in the video wasn't as epic as 'the Broken vs. the Sage' video you made.
For some reason, I felt it merited a little more....fanfare?
But this is just minor fanboy bitching. You came to the correct conclusions and made a good video.
I'd be curious to see Old Luke and a Dooku match-up.
In new Cannon, old Ben kills Maul. I beleive Ben was being a pure distraction, living up to his duty of protecting Luke in the only fight we see him in when he is ancient. He kept it simple and let Vader play with him, because that was his plan. So I think Obi never really did let loose into the force, his whole plan when they were boarded hints at the tactical mind, but his abillity to sense Luke in trouble, his abillity to become a force ghost instantly suggests if anything obi wan became Stronger in the force than previously in the Clone Wars.
Ben wins but Ben actually tricked Maul to use the same move he used on Qui Gon.... Qui Gon would still win
@@RazvanHardcore I mean no, he would get out thought. It wouldn't be a duel of sorts more of a trap, but obi wan was better than his master.
Mace Windu VS Darth Revan... Let the Battle BEGIN!
He wont do revan as his powers/skills are the players choice and he hates SWTOR: Revan (So do I)
jkmik1 Yeah, i hope somehow BioWare will redeem Revan with SWTOR because at the Moment it was a Major let down. It was cool saving him but defeating him on the Imp side was like... he better not be dead. Not to mention i'm not happy with the Exile being dead because of that douchebag sith and his Vision for the sake of SWTOR's Jedi Knight Story.
No. He would automatically give TOR era Jedi the least charitable interpretation while giving his favored characters every advantage. Unless you want to see TOR characters get trashed, there'd be no point.
I say revan wins
When are you gonna make a Palpatine versus video?
How about a video about Mace Windu and Count Dooku.
THANK YOU.
a force to be reckoned with. I see what you did there
Throughout the whole video I had the urge to go and play Halo 3: ODST while watching this video. And that's exactly what I did :)
+Jensaarai1 ODST was a fun twist on Halo 3's mechanics, I enjoyed it more than 4.
Jensaarai1 I enjoyed your Yoda vs Darth Plagueis video and because of Plagueis's physical feats as well as Qui-Gons I would like it if you did a Plagueis vs Qui-Gon if you haven't already.
I think using Ben Giving up on the death star as a case for anything is short sighted, you can interpret that in different ways. i always took it as him sending a message to luke while giving himself the power to aid him as a force ghost
has there ever been any thoughts of using pre-dark side anakin? i'm curious to see his analysis of that version. and also TFU 1 galen marek, since he's stated that they are two different people in the other video?
I would love to see Darth Bane vs Darth sidious
hey guys i have cool question in my option i guess I'm just wondering if savage and maul from the clone wars had survived and some how managed to avoid the emperor for like 5 or so years and maul didn't let his quest to show kenobi pain instead of just killing him get in the way how strong do you guys think the 2 would have become who could they rival and overcome that sort of thing :)
Mace Windu vs. General Grievous
or
Ashoka Tano vs. Savage Oppress
i think Mace would win, also i think the guy who makes these hates to aknolage the cartoon and that's where he would have to go to find most of his info on it
why? The Clone Wars is awesome. Sucks it got cancelled.
Pigpen077 idk, i liked it, ask him
Maybe because of canon problems. Like Allie Gali Death, Darth Maul in general, and mostly Asajj Ventress's species.
you use the perfect balance of cursing and proper english
yes its so annoying
i only noticed 1 curse
omg jinn actually won one lol I think this is a sign of the apocalypse lol. good vid and really well thought could you do a video of grand master Luke sky walker vs. exar kun. or kyp durron vs someone or darth kryat vs exar kun any way great job jen keep up the good woork
I don't think Qui-gon should be placed in this versus series simply because he has been training in blasting deflection and there was no sign of any siths roaming the galaxy until he fought Maul. If he practiced to fight against both jedi and sith effectively, he would most likely destroy some of the people that you named him against in this series. That's just my speculation.
I love both of them too much to even think of pitting them against one another.
Jensaarai1. I've been thinking if you could make another video with these two. But this time, taking Qui-Gon Jinn, in his ultimate prime, vs. Obi-Wan in his ultimate prime, at around the time of the Revenge of the Sith? :)
can you please do a history video about the sith wars, the mandalorean wars, great hyperspace war, and other big wars?
How weird is that such an aggressive style based master produces such a defensive padawan
+daltonnotjohnsmith Well, when you see your agressive styled master get cut down because he lacked defense...
I love how u guys put in the instrumental of Skyfall in this
Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates pls. I wanna see how Steves dual mac fencing would work against Bill's form 8 windows onslaught. I'm sure it would break down to a pure GUI battle as they are both extremely powerfull combative money users.
Is there any way we could get a darth nihilus vs darth plageius match up? Or maybe darth sion vs darth vader?
he won't use nihilus because it depends on the player's skill in the game same for sion
Well there goes that idea. :P
Finally Qui-Gon won a versus, it was about time
Once again, well done. But for the love of all things star wars! make a vs. video with Grandmaster Skywalker! If not please explain why. Is it because he's near invincible?
Love your videos, but I disagree with your interpretation of the Old ben / Vader fight. I think Old ben carefully maneuvered the fight to where he wanted, like his fight vs Anikin in episode three, then sacrificed himself for several reasons. One to transcend his physical body and become one with the force. Two to strengthen Luke's resolve. Three to get the A team to escape the death star. I also think you underestimate the physical shape required to survive in a dessert and don't think Old ben would crumple with one kick as you suggest. I also disagree his form would have gotten rusty, a well disciplined Jedi like Kenobi would be practicing his form until his death, this would also help keep him in shape. That aside, thanks for another informative and thought provoking match up.
Hey jensaari 1 I got some ideas for some versus videos thanks bro
Darth Vader vs Yattle (sorry for my spelling if I'm wrong)
Luke Skywalker vs Darth malgus
Jaina solo vs count dooku
Ki adi mundi vs obi wan kenobi
Satele Shan vs Darth sidious
Jacen solo vs plo kun
I love how there was some ODST music in here, such a good soundtrack~
I noticed you made a mistake with their ages. Old Qui-Gon is actually 60 (Born in 92 BBY), while Kenoby is 57 (born in 57 BBY and dead in 0 )
Now THAT is an interesting pairing.
Dear Jensaarai1,
I really like it when you do Jedi vs Jedi or Sith vs Sith
What about Obi wan Kenobi vs Shak Ti or whatever?
Nice, Qui-Gon Jinn rules!
You didn't mention Kenobi's interaction with a rage-filled A'Sharad Hett on tattooine? That's an important part of his bio
the Hett duel happened when Ben was 39, 1 year after the clone wars ended. Ben had no duels after that until he met Vader. Nearly 18 years between duels would create a lot of rust.
Darth Malak vs Darth Traya.
I really feel that you should touch the KoTOR era. Maaaybe do a gameplay...? Please?
hey jensaarai, great vid i was wondering if you could do ROTS anakin vs Darth Maul?
Can we get a Savage Opress vs video. I know you don't like the clone wars but I think he's badass, especially when he has the robo arm and duel sided lightsaber
Spirit Obi Wan vs. Ghostbusters
How about General Grievous vs Darth Vader. I think that would be quite interesting.
5:10 what comic is that from please
Your dialect and word play is most impressive.
Starkiller vs Darth maul
Oh and y the way,when are you doing a new video?
Can you do Nihilus vs Plagius? Both of them were capable of using the force to outright kill an enemy where they stood!
great match up one thing I have noticed with this video compared to others concerning obi wan in all video I see with obi wan it is stated that his most powerful force ability it to become a force ghost but as u said in this video he didn't learn it until he wad exiled so would he not be able to do it in episode 3 if he had died
10000 Subs Great job
How about Jaina Solo vs. Exar Kun? I think thats a fair matchup
wait,wait, wait! I thought you didn't take notice of TCW anymore? Nevertheless, very interesting video. I read the novel Kenobi when it was first released and many times since. I LOVE that novel! So i have become somewhat of a Ben Kenobi fanboy.xD
But i am still all in for Grand Master Luke up until and including all current materiel. I'm not say i want you to make a vid on GM Luke anymore, as I've thought about how difficult it would be to gather EVERYTHING needed, as well as finding a worthy opponent.
***** Well, its not really that data on Luke is scarce it's that there's too much, and by now in the novels, he's WAY too OP. To the point were i think he could stand a chance against Lord Vitiate. I know, it's controversial, so i'll ask people to NOT argue and instead acknowledge the fact that my opinion is different. :)