His fighting style was not well optimized for long duels due to the strength and power he incorporated into each blow. He was accustomed to finishing duels quickly. Maul had wisely deduced this on Tatooine and sought to separate and tire out Qui-Gon in order to defeat him. Until Qui-Gon is isolated, you’ll notice that Maul is on the defensive the entire time.
@@nitrobw1 maul only lost to obi wan because of hi arrogance after all he just beat one of the best jedi of his time what could a padawan do? Before this maul carefully planned his assault and used his full focus on this duel after all if you learn about maul and his back story he was absolutely ravenous for jedi blood and while he killed a few jedi before this, this was his first real chance to reveal himself to the jedi and face a true jedi master
@@nitrobw1 That’s false Obi Wan was already a 25 year old master of Ataru Maul was 22 and should have easily defeated him on Naboo the only reason Obi Wan lasted long before getting disarmed was because he was rage amped over Qui Gon’s death which boosted him…. In a fair fight Maul would eat Kenobi’s lunch 10/10
Qui-gon Jinn was not only powerful; but he was the most righteous Jedi of his era. He was a true disciple of the Force. He followed the will of the Force above all else. All of the other Jedi (yes, even Yoda) used the Force to serve the will of the Republic (and all its corrupt politicians). Qui-gon is hands down my favorite Jedi.
Obi-Wan: Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil! Anakin: From my point of view, the Jedi are evil! Obi-Wan: Why would you say that? Anakin: Of all people, your own Master disobeyed the Jedi Council, causing his rejection to be a member. Qui-Gon saw the allegiance of the Council to the Republic, placing the favor of the people over the face of the Force itself. They define good as the common good rather than the will of the Force, using its power for the benefit of their supposed democracy which is in the eye of the beholder. Qui-Gon saw the way of the Force, he let its will guide him, and not the other way around. The Force is not balanced, and I was created to do that. Open your eyes, Obi-Wan! It's time for you to see the truth behind the lies, as your old master did. Together, we can overthrow the Chancellor, and bring peace and justice to the galaxy. Obi-Wan: Anakin, perhaps you are right. While I don't agree with the Chancellor on everything, I do believe that the Jedi have twisted the Force to their own will. The Old Republic never used the Force in such a way.
Really!?I thought this is a versus series.Well then, how about a battle of (obi wan kenobi vs kyle katarn), this is my favouritecharacters in star war.EvanNova95 if you do this battle this is so fun.
Honestly Qui Gon is my favorite Jedi. I see him as a really great Jedi and I would definitely would want to be taught by him if I was a Jedi Apprentice.
I like Kit Fisto because we see him throughout the prequel trilogy his lightsaber fighting style is very unpredictable and dangerous and he can breathe underwater
DDS Scholl Kit Fisto is definitely a talented Jedi as well, you ain’t wrong there. His technique is definitely something. Any enemy really needs to be careful. I do like his lightsaber as well.
Thats becauss he's more like how they should be and even like the original old progenitors of the Jedi and Sith the "Jedi" but spoken differently than the Jedi of today more like j-dye
LOL I died at, "No, especially when the general goes into his quad-bladed 'let's plug all 7 forms into a random number generator' sequences." You wanna start a rave? General Grievous vs. Pong Krell...
The one problem I have with your assessment is that at his physical prime. Jinn was second only to Yoda in mastery of Ataru, saying he's less skilled than other master's is incorrect. He's more skilled because he surpassed the shortcomings of his chosen mastery through growth. Unlike Yoda that could just Force power through his age weakness.
In Revenge of the Sith, Ob-Wan was clearly in his physical prime. Yet Yoda, despite being *hundreds* of years older, still insisted that he -- not Obi-Wan -- was the only one "strong" enough to battle Darth Sidious -- arguably the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the galaxy. And Obi-Wan didn't argue, because he knew Yoda was right. So it would seem the definition of the term "prime" is questionable insofar as it applies to Jedi masters.
@@SingleTax A Jedi gains strength in the Force through study, meditation and practice. The point when Humans are at their physical prime lies fairly early in our life cycle when medical care has extended life span into the numbers of our time. In Star Wars their medicine extends that even further. Anyone that is 70+ years old has far more study and practice behind them than they did at their physical peak of 30ish. They may tire quicker and not meet the same level of physical strength, but they can be far more powerful in the Force. Now Yoda lived to 900 years old. There was no Light Side user as powerful as Yoda at that level. Obi-Wan could have withstood anything Darth Sidious tried with a Lightsaber, but the second he put it away and showed his true power. Kenobi would have been wrecked. Even if he got his lightsaber in the lightnings path. The sheer power would have slammed him against the wall and destroyed him. He had no idea how to accept the darkness and redirect it back the way Windu, or Yoda did. Even Yoda got tossed because he didn't have a saber to channel the energy.
Not entirely. Yoda is THE master of Ataru, and holds practical mastery of Soresu and Shien, plus an academic master of all other Jedi style. Qui-gon is an innovator who created his own-style, which in practice is extremely practical and shares one weakness with Niman: capable of anything with few consistent advantages. Jinn is moderately good at blaster-deflecting, moderately good at crowd-fighting, and is otherwise grounded and strength-oriented, in practice similar to a Niman master who favours Shii-Cho, Shien and Djem So. His foundations in Ataru and wide technical repertoire are impressive, plus in practical application he is leagues ahead of other traditional Ataru purists like Ven Zallow or Siri Tachi. On the other hand, he has no back-ups and attempts to leverage his advantages to overshadow his short-comings, instead of adapting his own style to be less taxing, or learning pure Makashi or Soresu as fall-backs to his own style. Plus, Qui-Gon lacks the wider tactical awareness of Master-Kenobi, Plo Kon or Shaak Ti, nor does he exercise combative Force-powers in their league either. Hence why I agree with Evannova95's assessment of Jinn as mid/high council Master, but overshadowed by the Tier 2 and Tier 1 leagues
He defined what it meant to be a jedi as my first move was phantom menace. I loved and looked up to him dearly. His character showed me honor at an early age. Definitely a cool guy
Guess it depends on whether he thinks the roughly 2 decades of power growth or the bota was more beneficial to Vader's power ( personally, I'd side with the former ).
Logan Smith If Abeloth encountered a being on the level of jar jar binks, she would tremble in fear and pray to the whills for help who would tell her thier power is not enough to compete with jar jar, and jar jar would use his unlimited power to destroy the multiverse.
I absolutely love qui gonna. He is my absolutely my favorite. I wish he had more time in films especially since Liam neeson loved the role and loves star wars so much. A youth obi wan film with Neeson coming back would be amazing. #bringquigonback
One uncommon theory is he actually foresaw it and determined it to be the will of the force when he was meditating during the laser walls cutting between them.
Liam Neeson did a great job setting this great character. one of my favorite characters in star wars , and knowing who was the teacher of obi-wan(my favorite character) in star wars. it was a shame indeed Qui-Gon was only in Episode 1. but he did a great job in this episode 1.
@@mikeor- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That's your excuse ? Tell me a better joke. Yeah, a bunch of videos with little views, really idiotic arguments that boil down to "ItS gUuD cUz I LiKeD It, StAhP TaEk It SrSsLy" and plain unashamed Disney drone behaviour. Meanwhile, the videos of people criticizing these movies have DOUBLE the amount of views, comments, likes and are far better argued and researched. So no, you' re still not providing good excuses. No one but dumb drones like Disney Star Wars as a whole.
I don't agree with the assessments. Dooku and Yoda were older, yet they are not constantly put down. Jinn uses the Force he is not trying out for a triathalon. We are basing a fight for Qui Gon against Greivous in Revenge of the Sith. Please tell me how many changes, training, and adaptations did Obi Wan go through throughout the Clone Wars? It is like you give Greivous and others the advantage since they experienced combat and war, yet you throw Jinn in to the scenario fresh from Naboo??? Jinn does not learn or study his opponents??
Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi of all time, hands down. Perfect grey. For instance, Qui-Gon's goading of Xanatos in battle is a dark side tendency that would later be utilized by Sideous and Vader.
I see Qui-Gon Jinn’s move set being most akin to Ki-Adi Mundi’s style. With that being said, since Ki-Adi was the only Jedi left standing against Grievous on Hypori (this is pre-Force crushed leading to hacking cough Grievous), and with Qui-Gon’s live in the moment philosophy, then I see Qui-Gon being able to stand against Grievous for a short amount of time. I do not see Qui-Gon lacking in defence, it’s just that the only times we see him actively defending is when he has already spent much of his energy. On Naboo he had kept up a solid offence pushing (or being drawn by) Darth Maul throughout much of the Battle of Naboo (at least 10 minutes movie time and an unknown length of time within the events themselves) and on Tatooine he had appeared to have sprinted from Mos Espa to the Outskirts where the Royal starship waited, a feat that young Anakin Skywalker struggled to maintain as he began to tire. Add to that the quick reflexes he employed as Maul snuck up on them and how tired Jinn must have been already, he kept up a decent defence against the much younger Sith. The question as to whether Qui-Gon could actually beat Grievous should come down to the context leading up to the fight. Qui-Gon is no fool and would likely have at least studied his opponent before engaging him, likely hearing a personal account of the General’s fighting capabilities from his friend Ki-Adi Mundi. With that knowledge and coming into the fight fresh, he would actually keep up a defensive screen by way of Form III. Soresu is not his preferred style but it is a style he knows as all Jedi receive basic training in almost all lightsaber Forms. And if he employs elements of his former Master’s style, then he could slip in the precise moves of Form II to strike at Grievous’ limbs. Another defensive style that Jinn has demonstrated in TPM is Shien, shown by his ability to precisely redirect blaster bolts back at shooters. Given that Shien is geared to dealing with multiple attackers, the question is whether it is as capable of defending against Grievous’ four lightsabers as Kenobi’s use of Soresu was. Again I must refer to Ki-Adi Mundi, since in the comic series Outlander I believe it is implied that had Qui-Gon Jinn still been alive, he would have been the one sent to find Sharad Hett on Tatooine not Ki-Adi Mundi. And if (a decade older) Mundi can stand against General Grievous then surely Qui-Gon Jinn as he appears in TPM can, right? Maybe. But the difference between Jinn and Mundi is their preference for supplementing Ataru with Shien and Soresu respectively. Mundi is able to defend against the rapid strikes of Grievous thanks to his use Soresu close quarter defence. So, after all that my conclusion is the same as the video’s but it would not be an easy victory for General Grievous.
Maul is superior to Grievous. Without debate. Qui-Gon could hang with Grievous far more than “a short time”.. He met Maul head on until he tired out. Maul was the superior swordsman yes, but he still hung with him the entire time. Grievous would not be able to overwhelm him in the same way Maul did. Maul was Grievous’s superior. There is no large gap between Jinn and Grievous. Idk why he seems to insinuate there is either.
He would have been an entire decade older (he was sixty in the Phantom Menace). So, he either would focus more on defense to combat his further declining stamina, or he would start to incorporate a bit more planning and preparation into his style. I say that because he would likely have problems relating to understanding that he needs to do so. Especially as his age creeps on up.
Why doesn't anyone mention the fact that when Qui-Gon Jinn engaged Darth Maul the first time he had already ran all the way from town. It's been years since I read the navel but I believe that is where I first considered it. His endurance was still quite impressive.
I'm surprised you went with such a well-covered character. This segment is a great way to spotlight characters that don't show up often (or would be hard to analyze in sufficient detail) in the versus series. I would recommend Lord Hoth, Anakin Solo, Siri Tachi, Zayne Carrick, Darth Marr, Azelyn Rae, Antares Draco and Bastila Shan for a few examples!
Little known fact: to his dying day, Kenobi wore a concealed mic and earpiece. They spoke often. Now they are together in the great Spirit-Internet in the sky. RIP. #OTP
Rob George Malak and Jarec are probably a bit lower tier. Malak is a great duelist and both are strong in the force, but the magnitude of Dooku and Malgus's abilities are too great, plus both far exceed Malak/Jarec in lightsaber combat. I'll have to admit, despite how much I love Malak, he's one of the weakest Sith in the lore (not counting "sith" like dark acolytes during the Old Republic, I mean true sith lords). He's still incredibly powerful, and certainly better than dark jedi like Ventress or even Jarec (at least without his Valley of the Jedi buff), but he's falling behind slightly in both skill and the magnitude of his powers compared to other sith. He is a well balanced fighter though, and one of KOTOR's developers said Malak was more skilled than Revan in lightsaber combat, but in saying that it also proves that Malak isn't as smart a fighter as Revan, so he doesn't really have an advantage over most other sith.
+Wolfgod 64 Sorry about the late reply. While I do agree overall that Jerec is a inferior duelist when compared to the likes of Dooku and Malgus, in terms of force abilities he isn't far off in terms of variety of techniques and overall skill (his power is tricky due to The Valley amp being usually a present factor). Depending on the matchup, Jerec's force abilities gives him some hax to work with, and hax can make up power or skill differences. As for Malak, I don't think he's actually far off in terms of skill or magnitude compared to Dooku or Malgus. Malak's problem is that his entire skillset is based on him directly leveraging his power which as you said means he isn't that smart as a fighter as someone like Revan causing Malak to come up short in the overall package against fighters who are overall in his league. Either way, he gives these kinds of opponents one hell of a fight.
Yeah I think I discredited Jarec a bit, he's probably the closest thing to a sith among dark jedi. That in of itself is impressive. I often attribute his more unique abilities as "Early EU when no one really knew the rules or standards", but it was explained at some point that Jarec developed his own abilities specifically to beat Sidious (best of luck to him, that'll never work). So what Jarec does makes sense...sort of. I think Malak doesn't have the right skill set to handle most other sith. Warriors like Revan and Maul are smarter and faster than him, and Dooku and Malgus have the full package of skill and strong force abilities (Revan fits in the latter after KOTOR 1 though). Malak feels very much like a Jedi killer specifically. He's better at using his combat experience and force abilities to dominate weaker opponents, even large groups of them (hence his powerful force stuns and wide lighting strikes). I'd argue that Malak is more capable than other sith when it comes to defeating multiple Jedi, so he'd be more effective in say, defeating Obi-Wan and Qui gon (though now I want to see a Malak vs. Qui Gon matchup), but he doesn't have the right skills to deal with singular foes who are on his level like Maul or Malgus (I think his goal was to become so strong that no one would be on his level so he doesn't need to worry about it, but he didn't reach that level).
You should check your vocabulary--I think you've mixed up a definition and used "antithesis" where you meant "apotheosis". Otherwise very good vid. Qui-Gon has always been one of my favorites, partly because of his non-traditional nature combined with being more closely in tune with the Force than most traditionalist Jedi. Usually, when somebody starts rebelling against the Jedi Order, they're tempted by the Dark Side... not so much Qui-Gon, whose strong internal moral compass keeps him from even considering it no matter how much he rebels.
I honestly think that Qui-Gon Jinn is one of the most underrated jedi of all time. I would definitely put him right behind Mace Windu. I'd also easily take him over Anakin or Obi Wan in a fight, but then again, I would also argue Darth Maul as being more powerful than any of the opponents in the first 3 films, except Sidious (perhaps). From what we saw on screen anyway, that's the way I have to view it. Also, I feel like both the sith and the jedi do not use the force enough in the movies. I actually think it should be a point for Darth Vader, because he's limited by his machinery which should make it even more impressive that he can, but instead, we really see a lot more lightsaber twirling than force using. Yoda really seemed to be the only one in the movies to use the force correctly in multiple ways, throwing objects, catching lightning, and augmenting his actual speed to make up for his tiny size. Everyone else just seems like they would get slaughtered by a good force user, even though they are very skilled at using lightsabers. I would be cool with it for a guy like Windu, but the vast majority of jedi should be using the force during combat more regularly. It just looks like they don't even train to be using or fighting opponents with the force, which is weird because that is the entire point of being a jedi.
I still remember watching Phantom Menace in theaters and how much of a shock Qui-Gon's death was. Seeing as it was the first movie in a new prequel trilogy, you just kind of had an idea he was going to be a major protagonist for atleast more than half a film. But In hindsight it had be that way. They needed to introduce the character makes us feel a genuine connection to him, them "move him to the side" in order to bring in the dynamic of Obi-Wan and Anakin so the story could go where it needed to in order to have it all make sense and a cohesive story up to A New Hope. Qui-Gon was awesome though especially the way he never feared questioning things or seeking out what he felt to be the right path he needed to go down, despite what other council members may have thought. Bit to much of an "Out There Hippy" as far as council thought lol!!
Qui-Gon's greatness is not merely measured by his combat prowess, or force power...but also his NON-combat skills; his wisdom, his perceptions, his deductive powers and his academic success. Jinn was the quintessential Jack of All Trades, but he was also GREAT at all trades...great not exactly meaning exceptional. He took a holistic approach to his time as a Jedi. Consider this; his death warranted the attendance of Mace Windu AND Yoda. Among that, his kindness and compassion were surpassed by none. Put Yoda, or Mace in the same position as him on Tatooine, and they would have only rescued Anakin. Jinn, even though he was shut down immediately (and he was wise enough not to pursue) DID try to get Shmi as well.
Thanks for doing this video.I feel that because he is often compared to the very best and loses in his versus matches,people have started to underestimate him.Therefore I thank you for making an effort and showing that he was very capable,just not enough to beat the very best.
He was actually offered Grand Master and refused. He literally felt his time was near. He discovered Immortality and taught it to Yoda. He knew he was going to die; knowing he fulfilled the Jedi prophecy. His main power was Life Force. He gained a lot of power but like most humans, die a short age span. He can match and defeat Dooku alone; let that sink in. Jin can lift the six stones too. He was very intuned with the force. Giving the illusion as if he was going on instinct. If it wasn't for Jin, if you actually pay attention, The prophecy would have never been fulfilled. He's more powerful than most give credit. He literally was offered Grand Master and refused; let that sink in.
I think, as good of a job you did, you underestimate and misunderstand the power of Qui-Gon. Mainly because you focus to much on his Puraos as a fighter. He was a Jedi Counselor. His ability as a fighter is a testament to his engenuity and flexibility but his true powers were to understand the force and what it wanted. In this he may have even been more powerful and one with the force than even Yoda. His diplomatic skill was unmatched and he always gave very sage advice. He was not the best fighter but his role was not really a fighter. It was to be an agent of the force. He did that rather well.
Qui-Gon vs Grevious I don't necessarily believe Qui-Gon would loose. Grevious is obviously known to flee battles. He'd probably take advantage of that since Qui-Gon doesn't moves as fast. Also, the clones showing up on Utapou would tempt Grevious to do just that as he often does. That massive force push Kenobi did...well since it seems Qui-Gon is better with the force than saber combat and being an out the box thinker as you describe he would probably force push him, just like Kenobi, but into the open space below where he would be stunned, dropping his lightsabers, and surrounded by the clone army where they blast him then and there. After all, that's why the clones were there in the first place. Qui-Gon may not win, but he wouldn't lose either. It's not like saber duels always have to end the same way. Armies are in fact a resource to use.
The narrator really has a bromance going on with Qui Gon in his head! 😆 Can't really blame him, though! Qui Gon's life in the sequels was far too short! I really wish we could have seen more of him and got more information on his past... (I've never actually read any of the books or watched any of the animated series, but these videos are fascinating)! I'm a history buff, and I don't care all that much that this is fictional! 😄 The Star Wars universe/fandom is like no other!
Did you just put cinema qui-gon against full legends grievous? that's not fair imo. gui-gon would stomp the grievous that obi wan fought in ep3. legends grievous is a jedi killing beast while cinema grievous is a dumb Disney style bad guy
William Henning I agree, Zannah wouldn't even draw her blade, she would just attack him mentally and cripple him that way. I don't think many Verses series creators really understand how her sorcery works. They always say "this person is a Jedi, so they have gotten past their fears, so Zannahs spells of madness would have no effect of them" and I find that so annoying. Bane was fully aware that Zannah would use her madness spell against him, and he had heavily researched how to deal with it, and he had gotten past all of his fears, channelling them into his dark side power. And despite this, when Zannah used to against him in their final duel, she bought him SCREAMING to his knees. And when she using to against Set Harth, she put him in a COMA. This isn't something anyone can just shrug off. Her base line powers are also very underrated. He force push smashed Bane into a wall so hard it cracked his back, despite the fact that Bane has welled up his power, and reacted in time to channel it into a force wall. And her own force wall was incredible. Despite the fact bane didn't have his lightsaber, in their second to last duel, he only used evasion and lightning against Zannah, stating himself that telekinetic attacks would be useless because she could throw up force walls, and even outright stated that the ability to throw up a force defence was the first thing he had taught her. With a lightsaber, when she was about apprentice level in terms of training (Rule of Two), she was able to stone wall the assaults of a low level knight and a high level knight at the same time. And by her prime (Dynasty of Evil) she held up a strong defence against a raging Bane trying to kill her for almost the entirety of the duel, incredible considering how masterful and overwhelming a swordsman Bane was. And for those who say she has no offence, literally the first thing she did when she got her lightsaber was practice a counter-attack sequence with Bane, and she was EASILY able to overwhelm Set Harth (about mid Jedi knight level) with pure offence in their brief duel. Bane considered her his equal, and Bane is very overconfident in his own abilities, having nearly gotten himself killed as a result throughout the trilogy multiple times by getting in over his head with a lack of judgement regarding his own power level. Bane considers himself almighty, but admits that Zannah is his equal. Nuff said.
she's powerful but to focused. Like whiles she a good three tires higher than him Ku,Kruck has dam fine chance of beating her due to his noted resistance to fear effects. Yet she would dominate the likes Anakin and Ventress and soundly be beaten by Nomi Sunrider. she's easily explained as being the sort of combatant who will either destroy her foes in seconds or she will be slowly warn down
Not bad EvanNova95 not bad at all. :) It's a sad shame Qui Gon wasn't given more screen time, but hopefully Liam could come back for a spinoff because let's face it, he's got a peticular set of skills that make him a nightmare for Dark Jedi. This video is pure gold. :) For the next episode in this series could you consider the following people:1 Mace Windu2 Count Dooku3 Yoda4 Kyle Katarn 5 Darth Krayt6 Darth BaneAgain can't tell you how much I enjoyed this video.
Evan whats your opinion of the kotor 2 character , KREIA ? I mean whats your point of view of her filosofy , i think that would be a very interesting video or discussion with the council , i beg you to at least see the video "the psilosophy of kreia an analisis to starwars" .
They had a relatively brief exchange, if I recall correctly, so matching him for a brief amount of time isn't really all that amazing. As for Jinn v Grevious, it is debatable. He would for sure perform better than Ki-Adi did, so he'd at least hold his own pretty well. Not too sure he'd win though.
Zaluk I disagree, he would no way last as long as Ki-Adi did, assuming we are talking about legends grievous. Jiin is a bit too offensive to take on grievous, and doesn't as a result have the defensive output to keep up with grievous's multi-angular assault. Ki-Adi Mundi > Qui-Gon Jiin in my opinion.
That's a fair view, but to me fighting as near-equals with Maul and even forcing him back at times is better than anything Mundi has done. "He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful." --- Source : The Phantom Menace Novelization Keep in mind he does this despite Maul having knowledge of Jinn's abilities, while Jinn had not been aware of Maul's skill with the saber staff beforehand. Not to mention Jinn breached Maul's defenses on more than one occasion, as Evan pointed out. Evan does a good job of analysing Jinn's style and he mentions that Jinn is able to seamlessly switch from offensive combat to defensive combat. How high you view Jinn is really dependant on how high you view Maul and to me, Maul is an ROTS Kenobi lvl fighter, so by extension, Jinn is around that lvl to me as well.
The day Darth Plagueis falls to Obi-Wan's level is the day that people stop wanking characters like Exar Kun, Darth Krayt, Shaak Ti, and Plo Koon (which will be never, at this rate).
Heres my weird opinion on Legends's... Incident.Myeh. Nothing is stopping us from reading it, and nothing is stopping anyone from making more of it. I say both are *equally* canon.
I mean... Yeah. Disney says it's not canon. But... It still exists. It still gets expanded. I say it's like the Main Marvel universe vs the Ultimate Universe before the Ultimate universe stopped existing. It's canon, just differently cannon.
Question for the council: do you thinks that if palpatine found starkiller/ Galen marek and trained him as a Sith Lord he would be Abel to kill Sidious and take his place
theres an argument that qui-gon pushed maul to that location not out of cockiness but rather because he was so one with the force he understood exactly what needed to happen for the chosen one prophecy (which he almost solely recognized)
I highly doubt he was that clairvoyant otherwise traya would be right about the force being an ass. Besides its seems way more likely maul intentionally let the two jedi their not the other way around.
What's happened to the council forcecast?! I understand it is probably not your fault, seeing as it's a group effort but it's been 4 months, after having been promised in the last instalment that you had a backlog, and that new episodes would be "coming shortly". I'm just wondering what has happened, as it is probably my favourite series on RUclips. Lots has happened since then, such as the end of rebels season 3, the season 4 trailer, the episode 8 trailer, the battlefront 2 trailer, lots of news e.g. from Star Wars celebration, not to mention the tales of the Jedi review that had supposedly already been recorded at the pint of the last episode. Please can you let me know what has happened/ what has gone wrong? Thanks
I think Reti4 is the one who hosts the podcast, but he hasn't been active in a long time. I don't know how they go about doing it in terms of recording and editing, but if he's the one who does that sort of thing and gives it to the other members to distribute then it could be a problem on his end.
Grand Admiral Thrawn I wasn't aiming this directly at Evan, I simply asked on his video because it is the most recent upload out of the members of the Council.
Question; I keep hearing that Luke Skywalker said Darth Caedus was more powerful than Darth Vader, but I can’t find the specific quote anywhere. Please help me, you are my only hope! 😉
There's a canonical third person quote on the back cover of one of the LotF novels saying just that and as you mentioned, Luke says it in one of the books as well. Not sure which one though.
Not sure about that one either. I know Ant ( a friend of mine ) has both sources. But he basically refuses to share any quotes/scans about Caedus until he posts his Caedus RT which he's been promising for nearly 2 years now. :/
I know about the third person cover quote, and I do think Caedus became more powerful in a raw force and breath of ability kind of way, though i would bet on Vader in a straight fight. I just can't find Luke's quote.
You brought up Kyle Katarn... I would love to see him realised in something modern. I mean he was a beast.... like a younger Qui Gonn would can use blasters / explosives in conjunction with indiscriminate force powers like lightning push pull speed mind control, even healing..... aswell as being a powerful lightsaber duelist.... I dunno why there aren't more videos on him as a character.
can you please make a how powerful star wars series and some more vs series. when are you coming back? Evan Nova 95, when are you guys bringing back the Force council , I miss watching all of that. bring it at all back , Evan Nova 95, Reti4 , Antione Bandele, Jennesari, Grey Jedi . I wanna collaborate one with you guys one day.
Please Make one of these with expanded universe Luke Skywalker. His feats , His character, his abilities etc....etc Nice video your work is most appreciated.
@@anakinpalpatine8725 mace is the perfect jedi for fighting sith though since he turns his opponents darkside against them with Vaapad. Mace would still win probably, but it would be closer than that comparison as sidious is alot stronger than maul. i would love to see it honestly. Qui gon unfortuantely doesnt have the same level of feats due to the time of his death being in episode 1 and obviously there just weren't sith to fight before then.
Really was looking forward to another one of these. I was afraid that you had decided that a single character analysis wasn't for you after your Marka Rhagnos video.
One of my observations of the video regarding your overview of how the duel would go. You dismiss Jinn's tk powers because Grievous is a cyborg and sanctity of life. He could disable the general's limbs and leave him living, no?
I never understood how Grievous is even a challenge to a Jedi for that reason. He is unable to counter any telekenetic attack. I can only assume it was the chaos of battle that prevented the time to be taken to use force attacks (except when Windu did it) Grievous to Windu: You should have gone for the limbs.
There are at least 3 characters who are canonically stated to be more powerful then a far more powerful version of Revan ( Vitiate, Plagueis and Sidious ) and then there's the logically more powerful individuals like Luke, Yoda, Krayt, Caedus, Jaina, etc. Revan's certainly powerful but not in the top 5 and DARTH Revan doesn't even scratch the top 10 given how much weaker he is then his Reborn and SoR incarnations.
Really!?I thought this is a versus series.Well then, how about a battle of (obi wan kenobi vs kyle katarn), this is my favouritecharacters in star war.EvanNova95 if you do this battle this is so fun.
Given Evan favored Kyle over Dooku a while back, I imagine he'd go with Kyle in that fight as well. Though he may have changed his position since then.
@William Henning - I think this would be a great match-up. I think Kyle Katarn might win due to his probable superiority with the force in general, but I think Obi-Wan is quite underrated as a force wielder. Obi-Wan managed to match Anakin's force push during their duel in Ep. 3, which is really impressive considering Anakin is said to be among the greatest force wielders of all time. But I think it would be best to avoid the A > B and B > C therefore A > C type of argument, since that doesn't apply very well at all in Star Wars.
I cannot understand why good characters such as Qui-Gon Ginn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Anakin Skywalker (aka Darth Vader), and Ben Solo (aka Kylo Ren) are killed off; and useless characters such as Jar-Jar Binks are allowed to survive. Jar-Jar, that worthless, slobbering, stupid, ugly racially stereotypical piece of dog feces should have been decapitated by Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn's lightsaber! Jar-Jar Binks is the SUCK in SUCKINESS. Qui-Gon, the in my opinion, the PERFECT JEDI, was killed off before we got a chance to see how powerful he really was. Qui-Gon should have been around until at least Revenge Of The Sith; where he could have died trying to defend The Jedi Temple from Anakin (Darth Vader) Skywalker. Instead, we are left with that poop eating gungun, Jar-Jar. What a WASTE!
His fighting style was not well optimized for long duels due to the strength and power he incorporated into each blow. He was accustomed to finishing duels quickly. Maul had wisely deduced this on Tatooine and sought to separate and tire out Qui-Gon in order to defeat him. Until Qui-Gon is isolated, you’ll notice that Maul is on the defensive the entire time.
People really overestimate Maul's performance on Naboo. Let's not forget that he subsequently lost to a Padawan with an incomplete skill set.
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@@nitrobw1 maul only lost to obi wan because of hi arrogance after all he just beat one of the best jedi of his time what could a padawan do? Before this maul carefully planned his assault and used his full focus on this duel after all if you learn about maul and his back story he was absolutely ravenous for jedi blood and while he killed a few jedi before this, this was his first real chance to reveal himself to the jedi and face a true jedi master
@@nitrobw1 Obi-Wan was no average student and he happened to make a great move.
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That’s false Obi Wan was already a 25 year old master of Ataru Maul was 22 and should have easily defeated him on Naboo the only reason Obi Wan lasted long before getting disarmed was because he was rage amped over Qui Gon’s death which boosted him…. In a fair fight Maul would eat Kenobi’s lunch 10/10
You know what we all want? A Qui-Gonn based trilogy.
I'd settle for an origin story movie
@@wesrihn That would also be acceptable.
With Dooku being his former master, he's most likely adept at the ability of "shit talking" during a duel.
Qui-gon Jinn was not only powerful; but he was the most righteous Jedi of his era. He was a true disciple of the Force. He followed the will of the Force above all else. All of the other Jedi (yes, even Yoda) used the Force to serve the will of the Republic (and all its corrupt politicians).
Qui-gon is hands down my favorite Jedi.
The Jedi of the Republic were arrogant, hence leading to their downfall. Bardan Jusik is my favorite of the jedi of that era
Obi-Wan: Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!
Anakin: From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Obi-Wan: Why would you say that?
Anakin: Of all people, your own Master disobeyed the Jedi Council, causing his rejection to be a member. Qui-Gon saw the allegiance of the Council to the Republic, placing the favor of the people over the face of the Force itself. They define good as the common good rather than the will of the Force, using its power for the benefit of their supposed democracy which is in the eye of the beholder. Qui-Gon saw the way of the Force, he let its will guide him, and not the other way around. The Force is not balanced, and I was created to do that. Open your eyes, Obi-Wan! It's time for you to see the truth behind the lies, as your old master did. Together, we can overthrow the Chancellor, and bring peace and justice to the galaxy.
Obi-Wan: Anakin, perhaps you are right. While I don't agree with the Chancellor on everything, I do believe that the Jedi have twisted the Force to their own will. The Old Republic never used the Force in such a way.
Shame he got killed off!
@@ianmatthews1724 There is no death, there is only the Force. And Liam Neeson reprised his role as Qui-Gon in The Clone Wars.
Qui gon - Legends episode 1 check it out they’re legit
ruclips.net/video/aqJ2q_gvOyI/видео.html
Is there such a thing as too much Liam Neeson?.......... The answer is NO.
EvanNova95
I don't know, Taken 3 was a bit much. Otherwise there is no such thing.
Really!?I thought this is a versus series.Well then, how about a battle of (obi wan kenobi vs kyle katarn), this is my favouritecharacters in star war.EvanNova95 if you do this battle this is so fun.
Jinn has no money but he does have a certain set of skills......
EvanNova95 OMG WHY IS ODST MUSIC SO GOOD WOTH STAR WARS
EvanNova95 I hope 2 of the three in the easter egg are Mundi and Kolar, they are super ignored in the community.
Honestly Qui Gon is my favorite Jedi. I see him as a really great Jedi and I would definitely would want to be taught by him if I was a Jedi Apprentice.
I like Kit Fisto because we see him throughout the prequel trilogy his lightsaber fighting style is very unpredictable and dangerous and he can breathe underwater
DDS Scholl Kit Fisto is definitely a talented Jedi as well, you ain’t wrong there. His technique is definitely something. Any enemy really needs to be careful. I do like his lightsaber as well.
I would also want to learn from Qui Gon Jinn. Especially to understand the Will of the Living Force.
Sorely underrated Jedi. I've always considered him to be the most "complete" Jedi.
Don't forget that in the New Canon, Qui=Gon is forty-eight, not sixty as in Legends.
Qui Gong Jin Truly Sucks. Low Tier Council Member at best definitely below Kit Fisto.
So in a nutshell, he was what the first Jedi was, a Force user, who didn't made distinction between Light and Dark.
Thats becauss he's more like how they should be and even like the original old progenitors of the Jedi and Sith the "Jedi" but spoken differently than the Jedi of today more like j-dye
@@Foggy_Mustard then why did you waste your time watching a video about Qui-Gon Jinn?
You're alive omg you haven't made a video since 518 BBY
LOL I died at, "No, especially when the general goes into his quad-bladed 'let's plug all 7 forms into a random number generator' sequences."
You wanna start a rave? General Grievous vs. Pong Krell...
As someone else says: Why don't the Jedi just force dismember his arms and legs? Grievous would not be able to move or counter this.
The one problem I have with your assessment is that at his physical prime. Jinn was second only to Yoda in mastery of Ataru, saying he's less skilled than other master's is incorrect. He's more skilled because he surpassed the shortcomings of his chosen mastery through growth. Unlike Yoda that could just Force power through his age weakness.
In Revenge of the Sith, Ob-Wan was clearly in his physical prime. Yet Yoda, despite being *hundreds* of years older, still insisted that he -- not Obi-Wan -- was the only one "strong" enough to battle Darth Sidious -- arguably the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the galaxy. And Obi-Wan didn't argue, because he knew Yoda was right. So it would seem the definition of the term "prime" is questionable insofar as it applies to Jedi masters.
@@SingleTax A Jedi gains strength in the Force through study, meditation and practice. The point when Humans are at their physical prime lies fairly early in our life cycle when medical care has extended life span into the numbers of our time. In Star Wars their medicine extends that even further. Anyone that is 70+ years old has far more study and practice behind them than they did at their physical peak of 30ish. They may tire quicker and not meet the same level of physical strength, but they can be far more powerful in the Force. Now Yoda lived to 900 years old. There was no Light Side user as powerful as Yoda at that level. Obi-Wan could have withstood anything Darth Sidious tried with a Lightsaber, but the second he put it away and showed his true power. Kenobi would have been wrecked. Even if he got his lightsaber in the lightnings path. The sheer power would have slammed him against the wall and destroyed him. He had no idea how to accept the darkness and redirect it back the way Windu, or Yoda did. Even Yoda got tossed because he didn't have a saber to channel the energy.
Not entirely. Yoda is THE master of Ataru, and holds practical mastery of Soresu and Shien, plus an academic master of all other Jedi style. Qui-gon is an innovator who created his own-style, which in practice is extremely practical and shares one weakness with Niman: capable of anything with few consistent advantages.
Jinn is moderately good at blaster-deflecting, moderately good at crowd-fighting, and is otherwise grounded and strength-oriented, in practice similar to a Niman master who favours Shii-Cho, Shien and Djem So. His foundations in Ataru and wide technical repertoire are impressive, plus in practical application he is leagues ahead of other traditional Ataru purists like Ven Zallow or Siri Tachi.
On the other hand, he has no back-ups and attempts to leverage his advantages to overshadow his short-comings, instead of adapting his own style to be less taxing, or learning pure Makashi or Soresu as fall-backs to his own style. Plus, Qui-Gon lacks the wider tactical awareness of Master-Kenobi, Plo Kon or Shaak Ti, nor does he exercise combative Force-powers in their league either.
Hence why I agree with Evannova95's assessment of Jinn as mid/high council Master, but overshadowed by the Tier 2 and Tier 1 leagues
Jinn was not as skilled as mace or even fisto
Qui-Gon Jinn was my favorite Jedi
By far the best Jedi!
He defined what it meant to be a jedi as my first move was phantom menace. I loved and looked up to him dearly. His character showed me honor at an early age. Definitely a cool guy
@@JuicemanGravy Same here!
Very nice! Qui-Gon definitely deserves respect.
How powerful was Jax Pavan?
Pretty damn powerful. He tanked the Force blasts of a bota amped Vader.
William Henning indeed (though, to be fair, Vader was far from his prime), which is why I'm interested in where Evan ranks him.
Guess it depends on whether he thinks the roughly 2 decades of power growth or the bota was more beneficial to Vader's power ( personally, I'd side with the former ).
All the yes! Please, I need a Jax Pavan video from one of these guys!
William Henning same.
How powerful was Jar Jar Binks?
Pmac43 Jar Jar can practically beat Abeloth with just one punch.
Logan Smith 😂
Logan Smith If Abeloth encountered a being on the level of jar jar binks, she would tremble in fear and pray to the whills for help who would tell her thier power is not enough to compete with jar jar, and jar jar would use his unlimited power to destroy the multiverse.
Thelegend24 Ooh Palpatine doesn't know the true meaning of unlimited power until he evokes the full wrath of Jar Jar Binks.
+Pmac43 Jar Jar can only be defeated by Ackbar, preptime Thrawn, Coleman Trebor, and Kenobi with the highground.
I absolutely love qui gonna. He is my absolutely my favorite. I wish he had more time in films especially since Liam neeson loved the role and loves star wars so much. A youth obi wan film with Neeson coming back would be amazing. #bringquigonback
How powerful was Exar kun
ExploringWithAnt 789 kun*
My personal opinion, he was the most powerful sith ever.
Dᴀʀᴛʜ Cᴀᴇᴅᴜs ok
Dᴀʀᴛʜ Cᴀᴇᴅᴜs what about Snoke?
theyellow Truth Kun*
YOU'RE ALIVE!!! lol
Jedi Master 2-Cool I really thought he was dead, him and greyjedi91 lol
Traci Melroy I think grey jedi might be lol jk he's probably just working
+Traci Melroy Not to mention Reti4. I think he's the one who hosts the Council Forcecasts.
Jedi Master 2-Cool uploaded like 3 weeks ago. not dead
+GreyJedi91 lol.
Given how in tune he was with the force... My instincts tells me he knew it was his last duel.
One uncommon theory is he actually foresaw it and determined it to be the will of the force when he was meditating during the laser walls cutting between them.
Revan vs Darth Vader. I need to see! I have to see it, lol!
can you do mace windu vs exar kun plz
Yes! !!
Liam Neeson did a great job setting this great character. one of my favorite characters in star wars , and knowing who was the teacher of obi-wan(my favorite character) in star wars. it was a shame indeed Qui-Gon was only in Episode 1. but he did a great job in this episode 1.
1:25 In Canon, he was born in 80 BBY, making him 48 years old at the time of his death.
No one cares about Disney trash
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I care, and there are a lot of people who do.
@@mikeor- A lot who ? Drones ? In what numbers ? Nope, sorry, don't buy that without actual proof.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Umm... there are videos on RUclips that say the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are good movies, so there!
@@mikeor- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That's your excuse ? Tell me a better joke. Yeah, a bunch of videos with little views, really idiotic arguments that boil down to "ItS gUuD cUz I LiKeD It, StAhP TaEk It SrSsLy" and plain unashamed Disney drone behaviour. Meanwhile, the videos of people criticizing these movies have DOUBLE the amount of views, comments, likes and are far better argued and researched. So no, you' re still not providing good excuses.
No one but dumb drones like Disney Star Wars as a whole.
I don't agree with the assessments. Dooku and Yoda were older, yet they are not constantly put down. Jinn uses the Force he is not trying out for a triathalon. We are basing a fight for Qui Gon against Greivous in Revenge of the Sith. Please tell me how many changes, training, and adaptations did Obi Wan go through throughout the Clone Wars? It is like you give Greivous and others the advantage since they experienced combat and war, yet you throw Jinn in to the scenario fresh from Naboo??? Jinn does not learn or study his opponents??
How powerfull was Darth Traya / Kreia?
Dooku level without prep.
For me it was her character arc and philosophy that really intrigued me about treya she wasn’t the most powerful but very cool character
Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi of all time, hands down. Perfect grey.
For instance, Qui-Gon's goading of Xanatos in battle is a dark side tendency that would later be utilized by Sideous and Vader.
I see Qui-Gon Jinn’s move set being most akin to Ki-Adi Mundi’s style. With that being said, since Ki-Adi was the only Jedi left standing against Grievous on Hypori (this is pre-Force crushed leading to hacking cough Grievous), and with Qui-Gon’s live in the moment philosophy, then I see Qui-Gon being able to stand against Grievous for a short amount of time. I do not see Qui-Gon lacking in defence, it’s just that the only times we see him actively defending is when he has already spent much of his energy. On Naboo he had kept up a solid offence pushing (or being drawn by) Darth Maul throughout much of the Battle of Naboo (at least 10 minutes movie time and an unknown length of time within the events themselves) and on Tatooine he had appeared to have sprinted from Mos Espa to the Outskirts where the Royal starship waited, a feat that young Anakin Skywalker struggled to maintain as he began to tire. Add to that the quick reflexes he employed as Maul snuck up on them and how tired Jinn must have been already, he kept up a decent defence against the much younger Sith.
The question as to whether Qui-Gon could actually beat Grievous should come down to the context leading up to the fight. Qui-Gon is no fool and would likely have at least studied his opponent before engaging him, likely hearing a personal account of the General’s fighting capabilities from his friend Ki-Adi Mundi. With that knowledge and coming into the fight fresh, he would actually keep up a defensive screen by way of Form III. Soresu is not his preferred style but it is a style he knows as all Jedi receive basic training in almost all lightsaber Forms. And if he employs elements of his former Master’s style, then he could slip in the precise moves of Form II to strike at Grievous’ limbs. Another defensive style that Jinn has demonstrated in TPM is Shien, shown by his ability to precisely redirect blaster bolts back at shooters. Given that Shien is geared to dealing with multiple attackers, the question is whether it is as capable of defending against Grievous’ four lightsabers as Kenobi’s use of Soresu was. Again I must refer to Ki-Adi Mundi, since in the comic series Outlander I believe it is implied that had Qui-Gon Jinn still been alive, he would have been the one sent to find Sharad Hett on Tatooine not Ki-Adi Mundi. And if (a decade older) Mundi can stand against General Grievous then surely Qui-Gon Jinn as he appears in TPM can, right? Maybe. But the difference between Jinn and Mundi is their preference for supplementing Ataru with Shien and Soresu respectively. Mundi is able to defend against the rapid strikes of Grievous thanks to his use Soresu close quarter defence.
So, after all that my conclusion is the same as the video’s but it would not be an easy victory for General Grievous.
Maul is superior to Grievous. Without debate. Qui-Gon could hang with Grievous far more than “a short time”.. He met Maul head on until he tired out. Maul was the superior swordsman yes, but he still hung with him the entire time. Grievous would not be able to overwhelm him in the same way Maul did. Maul was Grievous’s superior. There is no large gap between Jinn and Grievous. Idk why he seems to insinuate there is either.
Makes me wonder how Qui-Gon would have adapted and fared if he had been alive during the clone wars.
He would have been an entire decade older (he was sixty in the Phantom Menace). So, he either would focus more on defense to combat his further declining stamina, or he would start to incorporate a bit more planning and preparation into his style. I say that because he would likely have problems relating to understanding that he needs to do so. Especially as his age creeps on up.
Why doesn't anyone mention the fact that when Qui-Gon Jinn engaged Darth Maul the first time he had already ran all the way from town. It's been years since I read the navel but I believe that is where I first considered it. His endurance was still quite impressive.
I'm surprised you went with such a well-covered character. This segment is a great way to spotlight characters that don't show up often (or would be hard to analyze in sufficient detail) in the versus series. I would recommend Lord Hoth, Anakin Solo, Siri Tachi, Zayne Carrick, Darth Marr, Azelyn Rae, Antares Draco and Bastila Shan for a few examples!
Would love to see one on Anakin Solo. He's one of the few characters I know very little about.
Siri Tachi was a great jedi. but, she was sucked into a phone using sith alcemy. the end.
Little known fact: to his dying day, Kenobi wore a concealed mic and earpiece. They spoke often. Now they are together in the great Spirit-Internet in the sky. RIP. #OTP
Do you think Qui-Gon’s 400 year old lightsaber instructor could be retconned to be Tera Sinube?
Nice to hear A Walk In The Woods towards the latter half of the video :) Wonder how many other Halo fans noticed?
I love how all of the student teacher lineage of Dooku, QuiGon, Obi Wan, and Anakin were able to be really fit despite being old
Anakin died at age 46. He was never “old”.
How about how powerful is Darth Malgus?
One of the more powerful Sith in the lore. Dooku/Bane level I'd say.
+William Henning I def agree and support that. Should we include Jerec and Darth Malak in there as well while we are at it?
Rob George Malak and Jarec are probably a bit lower tier. Malak is a great duelist and both are strong in the force, but the magnitude of Dooku and Malgus's abilities are too great, plus both far exceed Malak/Jarec in lightsaber combat.
I'll have to admit, despite how much I love Malak, he's one of the weakest Sith in the lore (not counting "sith" like dark acolytes during the Old Republic, I mean true sith lords). He's still incredibly powerful, and certainly better than dark jedi like Ventress or even Jarec (at least without his Valley of the Jedi buff), but he's falling behind slightly in both skill and the magnitude of his powers compared to other sith. He is a well balanced fighter though, and one of KOTOR's developers said Malak was more skilled than Revan in lightsaber combat, but in saying that it also proves that Malak isn't as smart a fighter as Revan, so he doesn't really have an advantage over most other sith.
+Wolfgod 64 Sorry about the late reply.
While I do agree overall that Jerec is a inferior duelist when compared to the likes of Dooku and Malgus, in terms of force abilities he isn't far off in terms of variety of techniques and overall skill (his power is tricky due to The Valley amp being usually a present factor). Depending on the matchup, Jerec's force abilities gives him some hax to work with, and hax can make up power or skill differences. As for Malak, I don't think he's actually far off in terms of skill or magnitude compared to Dooku or Malgus. Malak's problem is that his entire skillset is based on him directly leveraging his power which as you said means he isn't that smart as a fighter as someone like Revan causing Malak to come up short in the overall package against fighters who are overall in his league. Either way, he gives these kinds of opponents one hell of a fight.
Yeah I think I discredited Jarec a bit, he's probably the closest thing to a sith among dark jedi. That in of itself is impressive. I often attribute his more unique abilities as "Early EU when no one really knew the rules or standards", but it was explained at some point that Jarec developed his own abilities specifically to beat Sidious (best of luck to him, that'll never work). So what Jarec does makes sense...sort of.
I think Malak doesn't have the right skill set to handle most other sith. Warriors like Revan and Maul are smarter and faster than him, and Dooku and Malgus have the full package of skill and strong force abilities (Revan fits in the latter after KOTOR 1 though). Malak feels very much like a Jedi killer specifically. He's better at using his combat experience and force abilities to dominate weaker opponents, even large groups of them (hence his powerful force stuns and wide lighting strikes). I'd argue that Malak is more capable than other sith when it comes to defeating multiple Jedi, so he'd be more effective in say, defeating Obi-Wan and Qui gon (though now I want to see a Malak vs. Qui Gon matchup), but he doesn't have the right skills to deal with singular foes who are on his level like Maul or Malgus (I think his goal was to become so strong that no one would be on his level so he doesn't need to worry about it, but he didn't reach that level).
You should check your vocabulary--I think you've mixed up a definition and used "antithesis" where you meant "apotheosis". Otherwise very good vid. Qui-Gon has always been one of my favorites, partly because of his non-traditional nature combined with being more closely in tune with the Force than most traditionalist Jedi. Usually, when somebody starts rebelling against the Jedi Order, they're tempted by the Dark Side... not so much Qui-Gon, whose strong internal moral compass keeps him from even considering it no matter how much he rebels.
I honestly think that Qui-Gon Jinn is one of the most underrated jedi of all time. I would definitely put him right behind Mace Windu. I'd also easily take him over Anakin or Obi Wan in a fight, but then again, I would also argue Darth Maul as being more powerful than any of the opponents in the first 3 films, except Sidious (perhaps). From what we saw on screen anyway, that's the way I have to view it. Also, I feel like both the sith and the jedi do not use the force enough in the movies. I actually think it should be a point for Darth Vader, because he's limited by his machinery which should make it even more impressive that he can, but instead, we really see a lot more lightsaber twirling than force using. Yoda really seemed to be the only one in the movies to use the force correctly in multiple ways, throwing objects, catching lightning, and augmenting his actual speed to make up for his tiny size. Everyone else just seems like they would get slaughtered by a good force user, even though they are very skilled at using lightsabers. I would be cool with it for a guy like Windu, but the vast majority of jedi should be using the force during combat more regularly. It just looks like they don't even train to be using or fighting opponents with the force, which is weird because that is the entire point of being a jedi.
Qui gon is not anakin or obi wan's level. Hate to break it to you but you got it wrong.
How powerful was the Lord of Pain Darth Sion
Still waiting for the new Council Forcecasts! I personally can't get enough of you guys.
I still remember watching Phantom Menace in theaters and how much of a shock Qui-Gon's death was. Seeing as it was the first movie in a new prequel trilogy, you just kind of had an idea he was going to be a major protagonist for atleast more than half a film. But In hindsight it had be that way. They needed to introduce the character makes us feel a genuine connection to him, them "move him to the side" in order to bring in the dynamic of Obi-Wan and Anakin so the story could go where it needed to in order to have it all make sense and a cohesive story up to A New Hope. Qui-Gon was awesome though especially the way he never feared questioning things or seeking out what he felt to be the right path he needed to go down, despite what other council members may have thought. Bit to much of an "Out There Hippy" as far as council thought lol!!
Be careful man, he has very specific skills!
Omg welcome back. I thought you died bro. :(
Qui-Gon's greatness is not merely measured by his combat prowess, or force power...but also his NON-combat skills; his wisdom, his perceptions, his deductive powers and his academic success. Jinn was the quintessential Jack of All Trades, but he was also GREAT at all trades...great not exactly meaning exceptional. He took a holistic approach to his time as a Jedi. Consider this; his death warranted the attendance of Mace Windu AND Yoda.
Among that, his kindness and compassion were surpassed by none. Put Yoda, or Mace in the same position as him on Tatooine, and they would have only rescued Anakin. Jinn, even though he was shut down immediately (and he was wise enough not to pursue) DID try to get Shmi as well.
Thanks for doing this video.I feel that because he is often compared to the very best and loses in his versus matches,people have started to underestimate him.Therefore I thank you for making an effort and showing that he was very capable,just not enough to beat the very best.
He was actually offered Grand Master and refused. He literally felt his time was near. He discovered Immortality and taught it to Yoda. He knew he was going to die; knowing he fulfilled the Jedi prophecy. His main power was Life Force. He gained a lot of power but like most humans, die a short age span. He can match and defeat Dooku alone; let that sink in. Jin can lift the six stones too. He was very intuned with the force. Giving the illusion as if he was going on instinct. If it wasn't for Jin, if you actually pay attention, The prophecy would have never been fulfilled. He's more powerful than most give credit. He literally was offered Grand Master and refused; let that sink in.
I think, as good of a job you did, you underestimate and misunderstand the power of Qui-Gon. Mainly because you focus to much on his Puraos as a fighter. He was a Jedi Counselor. His ability as a fighter is a testament to his engenuity and flexibility but his true powers were to understand the force and what it wanted. In this he may have even been more powerful and one with the force than even Yoda. His diplomatic skill was unmatched and he always gave very sage advice. He was not the best fighter but his role was not really a fighter. It was to be an agent of the force. He did that rather well.
Qui-Gon vs Grevious
I don't necessarily believe Qui-Gon would loose. Grevious is obviously known to flee battles. He'd probably take advantage of that since Qui-Gon doesn't moves as fast. Also, the clones showing up on Utapou would tempt Grevious to do just that as he often does.
That massive force push Kenobi did...well since it seems Qui-Gon is better with the force than saber combat and being an out the box thinker as you describe he would probably force push him, just like Kenobi, but into the open space below where he would be stunned, dropping his lightsabers, and surrounded by the clone army where they blast him then and there. After all, that's why the clones were there in the first place.
Qui-Gon may not win, but he wouldn't lose either. It's not like saber duels always have to end the same way. Armies are in fact a resource to use.
The narrator really has a bromance going on with Qui Gon in his head! 😆 Can't really blame him, though! Qui Gon's life in the sequels was far too short! I really wish we could have seen more of him and got more information on his past... (I've never actually read any of the books or watched any of the animated series, but these videos are fascinating)!
I'm a history buff, and I don't care all that much that this is fictional! 😄 The Star Wars universe/fandom is like no other!
Did you just put cinema qui-gon against full legends grievous? that's not fair imo. gui-gon would stomp the grievous that obi wan fought in ep3. legends grievous is a jedi killing beast while cinema grievous is a dumb Disney style bad guy
*Putting Qui-Gon against Grievous*
"This is outrageous! It's unfair!"
It makes sense, though! The Padawan of Dooku vs the apprentice of Tyrannous!!
he is my favorite jedi of all time i'm gonna buy a replica saber with yellow blade and a dooku or bane saber with a orange saber :)
well, he's a jedi AND liam neeson so pretty fucking powerful
Liam Neeson isn’t killing anyone in this scene
Dooku was quite strong himself!
Please do how powerful was Darth Zannah. She is CRIMINALLY underrated in my opinion.
Tholme is smoke. ;)
Macattack 1 Agreed, many people don't know who she is, and that she was trained by the Ruthless Darth Bane.
Snoke is fucking snoke, nuff said
William Henning I agree, Zannah wouldn't even draw her blade, she would just attack him mentally and cripple him that way. I don't think many Verses series creators really understand how her sorcery works. They always say "this person is a Jedi, so they have gotten past their fears, so Zannahs spells of madness would have no effect of them" and I find that so annoying. Bane was fully aware that Zannah would use her madness spell against him, and he had heavily researched how to deal with it, and he had gotten past all of his fears, channelling them into his dark side power. And despite this, when Zannah used to against him in their final duel, she bought him SCREAMING to his knees. And when she using to against Set Harth, she put him in a COMA. This isn't something anyone can just shrug off. Her base line powers are also very underrated. He force push smashed Bane into a wall so hard it cracked his back, despite the fact that Bane has welled up his power, and reacted in time to channel it into a force wall. And her own force wall was incredible. Despite the fact bane didn't have his lightsaber, in their second to last duel, he only used evasion and lightning against Zannah, stating himself that telekinetic attacks would be useless because she could throw up force walls, and even outright stated that the ability to throw up a force defence was the first thing he had taught her. With a lightsaber, when she was about apprentice level in terms of training (Rule of Two), she was able to stone wall the assaults of a low level knight and a high level knight at the same time. And by her prime (Dynasty of Evil) she held up a strong defence against a raging Bane trying to kill her for almost the entirety of the duel, incredible considering how masterful and overwhelming a swordsman Bane was. And for those who say she has no offence, literally the first thing she did when she got her lightsaber was practice a counter-attack sequence with Bane, and she was EASILY able to overwhelm Set Harth (about mid Jedi knight level) with pure offence in their brief duel. Bane considered her his equal, and Bane is very overconfident in his own abilities, having nearly gotten himself killed as a result throughout the trilogy multiple times by getting in over his head with a lack of judgement regarding his own power level. Bane considers himself almighty, but admits that Zannah is his equal. Nuff said.
she's powerful but to focused. Like whiles she a good three tires higher than him Ku,Kruck has dam fine chance of beating her due to his noted resistance to fear effects. Yet she would dominate the likes Anakin and Ventress and soundly be beaten by Nomi Sunrider. she's easily explained as being the sort of combatant who will either destroy her foes in seconds or she will be slowly warn down
He reminds me of shunshi off of bleach
Not bad EvanNova95 not bad at all. :) It's a sad shame Qui Gon wasn't given more screen time, but hopefully Liam could come back for a spinoff because let's face it, he's got a peticular set of skills that make him a nightmare for Dark Jedi. This video is pure gold. :) For the next episode in this series could you consider the following people:1 Mace Windu2 Count Dooku3 Yoda4 Kyle Katarn 5 Darth Krayt6 Darth BaneAgain can't tell you how much I enjoyed this video.
Evan whats your opinion of the kotor 2 character , KREIA ? I mean whats your point of view of her filosofy , i think that would be a very interesting video or discussion with the council , i beg you to at least see the video "the psilosophy of kreia an analisis to starwars" .
i would greatly appreciate a Darth Krayt video for this series.:)
Yes. He. Fucking. Would. defeat. Greavous.
Lol. Not a chance. Grievous matched Mace Windu whilst hindered.
They had a relatively brief exchange, if I recall correctly, so matching him for a brief amount of time isn't really all that amazing. As for Jinn v Grevious, it is debatable. He would for sure perform better than Ki-Adi did, so he'd at least hold his own pretty well. Not too sure he'd win though.
yeah, fuck no. Grevious would maul Jinn.
Zaluk I disagree, he would no way last as long as Ki-Adi did, assuming we are talking about legends grievous. Jiin is a bit too offensive to take on grievous, and doesn't as a result have the defensive output to keep up with grievous's multi-angular assault. Ki-Adi Mundi > Qui-Gon Jiin in my opinion.
That's a fair view, but to me fighting as near-equals with Maul and even forcing him back at times is better than anything Mundi has done.
"He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful."
--- Source : The Phantom Menace Novelization
Keep in mind he does this despite Maul having knowledge of Jinn's abilities, while Jinn had not been aware of Maul's skill with the saber staff beforehand. Not to mention Jinn breached Maul's defenses on more than one occasion, as Evan pointed out.
Evan does a good job of analysing Jinn's style and he mentions that Jinn is able to seamlessly switch from offensive combat to defensive combat. How high you view Jinn is really dependant on how high you view Maul and to me, Maul is an ROTS Kenobi lvl fighter, so by extension, Jinn is around that lvl to me as well.
How powerful was Darth Plagueis?
He's Obi Wan level bro. xD
William Henning yup
+William Henning Yes. Yes he is.
Shots fired
The day Darth Plagueis falls to Obi-Wan's level is the day that people stop wanking characters like Exar Kun, Darth Krayt, Shaak Ti, and Plo Koon (which will be never, at this rate).
How powerful was Grand Master Luke Skywalker (Legends)
I love Qui-Gon jinns Canon and Legend stories
well, I mean yeah...he did train batman after all.
Qui-Gon is so powerful he can cost the galaxy tens of thousands of dollars because he made them raise the heights of every door frame in the galaxy.
Heres my weird opinion on Legends's... Incident.Myeh. Nothing is stopping us from reading it, and nothing is stopping anyone from making more of it. I say both are *equally* canon.
They're not.
I mean... Yeah. Disney says it's not canon. But... It still exists. It still gets expanded. I say it's like the Main Marvel universe vs the Ultimate Universe before the Ultimate universe stopped existing. It's canon, just differently cannon.
@@williamhenning4700 Doesn't matter.We can always enjoy it,that's far more important
Sure.
Sure.
Powerful enough to be a bigger fish
Where you been dude?
Hes so powerful because hes liam neeson
How powerful waz ben Skywalker
I'm sure Jinn would do quite well against TCW Grievous.
Question for the council: do you thinks that if palpatine found starkiller/ Galen marek and trained him as a Sith Lord he would be Abel to kill Sidious and take his place
Dude, palpatine is sidious. Please tell me you're trolling
So happy to see this RUclipsr in my sub box
Robbed the internet from saying first...
54 seconds and already a dislike...wow, and some Beutiful Halo music.
theres an argument that qui-gon pushed maul to that location not out of cockiness but rather because he was so one with the force he understood exactly what needed to happen for the chosen one prophecy (which he almost solely recognized)
I highly doubt he was that clairvoyant otherwise traya would be right about the force being an ass. Besides its seems way more likely maul intentionally let the two jedi their not the other way around.
What's happened to the council forcecast?! I understand it is probably not your fault, seeing as it's a group effort but it's been 4 months, after having been promised in the last instalment that you had a backlog, and that new episodes would be "coming shortly". I'm just wondering what has happened, as it is probably my favourite series on RUclips. Lots has happened since then, such as the end of rebels season 3, the season 4 trailer, the episode 8 trailer, the battlefront 2 trailer, lots of news e.g. from Star Wars celebration, not to mention the tales of the Jedi review that had supposedly already been recorded at the pint of the last episode. Please can you let me know what has happened/ what has gone wrong? Thanks
I think Reti4 is the one who hosts the podcast, but he hasn't been active in a long time. I don't know how they go about doing it in terms of recording and editing, but if he's the one who does that sort of thing and gives it to the other members to distribute then it could be a problem on his end.
They always promise they would upload more consistently but never do
Grand Admiral Thrawn I wasn't aiming this directly at Evan, I simply asked on his video because it is the most recent upload out of the members of the Council.
Lol, that Halo 3: ODST background music though.
The background music is Bear Mccrearys something dark is coming from the Battlestar Galactica sound track.
Not so Gregory
ruclips.net/video/4EQXEIoZrZE/видео.html
I decided to be kind since it is Christmas if you want to hear the full song I shared the link!
@@lucienfury2606 It's literally the exact same song from ODST. It sounds nothing like the one you linked.
Not powerful enough to not get killed by Darth Moll
licmy2 But powerful enough to become the first Force ghost...and unlock immortality.
@@FearNoGrave That I didn't know, was this in the books ?
Question; I keep hearing that Luke Skywalker said Darth Caedus was more powerful than Darth Vader, but I can’t find the specific quote anywhere. Please help me, you are my only hope! 😉
There's a canonical third person quote on the back cover of one of the LotF novels saying just that and as you mentioned, Luke says it in one of the books as well. Not sure which one though.
William Henning please tell me what book eksatly. I own and have read the hole lotf series, but can't find the quote.
Not sure about that one either. I know Ant ( a friend of mine ) has both sources. But he basically refuses to share any quotes/scans about Caedus until he posts his Caedus RT which he's been promising for nearly 2 years now. :/
I know about the third person cover quote, and I do think Caedus became more powerful in a raw force and breath of ability kind of way, though i would bet on Vader in a straight fight. I just can't find Luke's quote.
You brought up Kyle Katarn... I would love to see him realised in something modern. I mean he was a beast.... like a younger Qui Gonn would can use blasters / explosives in conjunction with indiscriminate force powers like lightning push pull speed mind control, even healing..... aswell as being a powerful lightsaber duelist.... I dunno why there aren't more videos on him as a character.
can you please make a how powerful star wars series and some more vs series. when are you coming back? Evan Nova 95, when are you guys bringing back the Force council , I miss watching all of that. bring it at all back , Evan Nova 95, Reti4 , Antione Bandele, Jennesari, Grey Jedi . I wanna collaborate one with you guys one day.
I'd love to see how Powerful was Lucien Draay, Darth Malgus, and Satelee Shan
My favorite jedi of all time 🙏
Please Make one of these with expanded universe Luke Skywalker. His feats , His character, his abilities etc....etc Nice video your work is most appreciated.
Nice video, always like to learn more about Anakin's first teacher and a major character in the saga.
Dude this was fucking amazing. Great editing. Sweet art. Nice pace! Didn’t even mind that it was 30 minutes long.
MACE WINDU VS QUI GON! WHO IS DEADLIEST!?!?
Andrew Henry I would say Mace Windu, he nearly took out Palpatine, where Qui Gon lost to Sidious’ apprentice
@@anakinpalpatine8725 mace is the perfect jedi for fighting sith though since he turns his opponents darkside against them with Vaapad. Mace would still win probably, but it would be closer than that comparison as sidious is alot stronger than maul. i would love to see it honestly. Qui gon unfortuantely doesnt have the same level of feats due to the time of his death being in episode 1 and obviously there just weren't sith to fight before then.
Really was looking forward to another one of these. I was afraid that you had decided that a single character analysis wasn't for you after your Marka Rhagnos video.
24:50 I swear you say that exact line every single time you mention the force ghost ability
Qui-Gon Jinn the Darth Bane of the Jedi
Awesome analysis. Personally I would LOVE to see a "How Powerful was Nomi Sunrider?"
One of my observations of the video regarding your overview of how the duel would go. You dismiss Jinn's tk powers because Grievous is a cyborg and sanctity of life. He could disable the general's limbs and leave him living, no?
I never understood how Grievous is even a challenge to a Jedi for that reason. He is unable to counter any telekenetic attack. I can only assume it was the chaos of battle that prevented the time to be taken to use force attacks (except when Windu did it) Grievous to Windu: You should have gone for the limbs.
He sounds like me. XD I am always entering a game with the mentality that I will figure it out at some point. :D
...and now...finally...we have returned.
Also I would like to see a" How powerful is Exar Kun".
Nova strikes back
How powerful was Darth reven
A lot weaker then most of his fanboys think.
I feel like he might be in the top 5. If not, he's certainly top 10.
Not even close.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. There's more than enough evidence of his power. Though who knows how much of it is canon anymore.
There are at least 3 characters who are canonically stated to be more powerful then a far more powerful version of Revan ( Vitiate, Plagueis and Sidious ) and then there's the logically more powerful individuals like Luke, Yoda, Krayt, Caedus, Jaina, etc. Revan's certainly powerful but not in the top 5 and DARTH Revan doesn't even scratch the top 10 given how much weaker he is then his Reborn and SoR incarnations.
6:09, I caught that and my guesses are Kit fisto, Ki Adi Mundi and Eeth Koth
Really!?I thought this is a versus series.Well then, how about a battle of (obi wan kenobi vs kyle katarn), this is my favouritecharacters in star war.EvanNova95 if you do this battle this is so fun.
Given Evan favored Kyle over Dooku a while back, I imagine he'd go with Kyle in that fight as well. Though he may have changed his position since then.
This battle will be fun and i think that kyle will do the offense and obi wan first is defense then counter.
@William Henning - I think this would be a great match-up. I think Kyle Katarn might win due to his probable superiority with the force in general, but I think Obi-Wan is quite underrated as a force wielder. Obi-Wan managed to match Anakin's force push during their duel in Ep. 3, which is really impressive considering Anakin is said to be among the greatest force wielders of all time. But I think it would be best to avoid the
A > B and B > C therefore A > C type of argument, since that doesn't apply very well at all in Star Wars.
God I missed that intro music on new videos. Glad to see this uploaded!
Qui-Gon is amazing tough.
I cannot understand why good characters such as Qui-Gon Ginn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Anakin Skywalker (aka Darth Vader), and Ben Solo (aka Kylo Ren) are killed off; and useless characters such as Jar-Jar Binks are allowed to survive. Jar-Jar, that worthless, slobbering, stupid, ugly racially stereotypical piece of dog feces should have been decapitated by Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn's lightsaber! Jar-Jar Binks is the SUCK in SUCKINESS. Qui-Gon, the in my opinion, the PERFECT JEDI, was killed off before we got a chance to see how powerful he really was. Qui-Gon should have been around until at least Revenge Of The Sith; where he could have died trying to defend The Jedi Temple from Anakin (Darth Vader) Skywalker. Instead, we are left with that poop eating gungun, Jar-Jar. What a WASTE!