Rest In Peace! Every Car That Will Be Gone For 2024!
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2023
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Great video guys.
I am one of the people that says trucks have gotten too expensive. I did watch the video on the new base Tacoma. I appreciate TFL making videos on the less expensive trucks.
Nathan really knockered it out of the park with his TT jokes.😂
And Roman totally missed it…
Nathan turns to Audi and says, "Show us your TTs!"
Thank you for your continued objectivity.
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the Chevrolet Camaro! You mentioned every damn foreign car, however obscure, but didn’t mention the last affordable American muscle car.
Because it’s a pos maybe 🤷♂️
@@freedomisntfree_44It's not....better to drive and better manual transmission than both the Challenger and Mustang.
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 🤣🤣🤣
I wish some of the van conversion and RV companies would have embraced the small van. Van life is popular again but they are almost exclusively using the large vans and as a result, these vans cost $100k-$200k. The small vans cost less initially, get better fuel economy, and are easier to park especially in a HOA.
Wow I’m 72 and you guys are the most honest folks l,ve ever seen👍🏿😊🕺🏿
You guys should really do more tire comparison videos, esp All Terrains. A very thorough Falken AT3W vs K02 or K03 snow test would probably get close to 1mil views 🤔
Please stay tuned
@@TFLtalkcan't wait!! Your tire test videos are excellent 👌
AT4W
Modern vehicles have too many sensors and it always costs 100 bucks to replace one. I don't like TPMS because they are unnecessary. I recently put new tires on my truck and told my mechanic to replace the TPMS with valve stems. I would rather push a button to remove the tire sensor warning than waste money on useless/unnecessary technology. I have several tire pressure gauges that are easy to use, and they last forever. When the tire sensors stop working you have to pay for a new one, pay to remove the tire from the rim, pay for the labor of removal of the old sensor and installation of the new one. Then the shop will charge you for mounting/balancing, shop supplies and an environmental fee. Car manufacturers install all these sensors, not for safety, but to guarantee a constant stream of revenue.
I had a Ford Transit Connect 3 cylinder 1 Litre petrol turbo van for 4 years. It was like a sports car and handled brilliantly and regularly returns 44 mpg (UK. Imperial ) 37mpg US. Got more than I paid for it new when I sold it , insane.
In America that 1.0L turbo got a pretty bad reputation.
Nathan's MO: "I have certain things to say to you, but I can't say them because this is a family show" ~ Cheap Jeep Challenge Ep.8 8:13. Thanks Nathan for just being you... ALSO, I'll never think about Audi TT's the same again 🤣
The TFL crew does an amazing, unbiased job in each and every video. I always seem to agree with your conclusions. As an aside, I totally agree with Nathan and Roman's view on ads vs real world tests. As a Cybertruck reservation holder, I cannot wait til TFL gets their hands on the Cybertruck to test. I think it's also ridiculous that TFL was not provided one to test like many of the other You Tube channels that I watch as well, but clearly some are biased. That said, lucky to have had all types of vehicles including a current Model Y, C8 that I track, one of the dastardly VW Passat 2013 2.0 TDIs. I am looking for my next truck which will probably be the baby 3.0 Duramax next year some time. I had a res for a F150 Lightening (which I gave up to to their lack of range), have a res for a Chevy Silverado (aka should be called Avalanche which I own a 2013 Black Diamond that I love). The Silverado EV looks interesting, but to get the mid gate you will need to spend LOTS of $s. The bottom line is like your channel, I love all cars and trucks (ICE/EVs/performance like the C8). Can't tell you how many times people hate on my Model Y but then they're like..."oh, you have a C8?" I love the bizarre look on their face - let alone, when I tell them about my VW TDI! Keep up the great work boys.....Don't change a thing.
and I love my Blizzaks on my VW btw
Thanks for the very kind and thoughtful
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I wish more people were like you. Everyone has a different situation. EV’s can and should be part of the equation but what turns me and a lot of folks off is the ban gas car mentality. I actually was interested in a EV for commuting and then the bans started and the mandates. I will never buy one because I will not allow government to tell me what to do. Not now not ever.
Good morning TFL! Great podcast as always keep up the great work.
Thank You for supporting Electric Cars and for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste.. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤
Yeah I was one of those potential customer who wanted the small Diesel van because of the great MPG , and over seas they were running great but they never brought them here ! Bummer!
Thank you TFL, I really enjoy your podcasts and videos. Another possibility for why your cheap Tacoma video got a relatively low number of hits, is that it was not your first video on the new Tacoma, plus it was one of MANY Tacoma videos that flooded RUclips around the same time. I realize much of this is out of your control since you have to show what Toyota provides at the time, but there's only so many videos one will watch on the same vehicle in a short span of time. Rest assured, trucks are too expensive, like everything else.
Good episode. I like how you guys are including visuals now. 👍
I know I had to give em hell for that laziness. We don’t know what they all look like
Three peak snow tires are ok in the snow the issue is ice. They suck on ice which is really the issue in winter driving. Winter tires are the way to go. Swapping tires is just an opportunity to check your break system. When I lived in Quebec it is the law to drive with winter tires. That should be the case in all areas with snow.
They r really expensive so I'm glad they don't force it in pa but it's like with oil 20 for oil or whatever it cost for new engine
@@Athingmaybe123 They are expensive, but if you factor in that they double the life of your regular tires then maybe that will off-set your cost somewhat. In addition you generally get a better insurance rate if you use winter tires. Just something to consider.
The problem with the cheap Tacoma is that it isnt. But hey, I still watched the video..
MSRP isn't to far off the Ranger and Colorado, but with dealer markups the price on the new Tacoma is absurd. I think Toyota dealerships are going to help sell a lot of the new Rangers and Colorados.
I just checked my local Toyota dealer. Cheapest Tacoma (Access Cab, 2WD) is going to be north of $30K after tax. Add double cab and 4WD, so it's actual practical and can tow, then add another $7K. I can't even imagine how dealer fees will bloat even further. This isn't "very affordable" to me in the least, certainly not with the current interest rates. I've owned two Hyundai Accents and a Mits Mirage, so I do want a cheap truck. I didn't watch the Tacoma video, because while I can technically afford to finance a new car, no car debt is really nice. The new car videos won't be relevant to me for at least a few years, in which case there will be new videos on those models. TFL Classic is where it's at.
$35000 doesn’t seem like a cheap truck.
I love your work guys and watch all your videos because of your objectivity. You provide an unbiased information which is critical for us the consumers. Thank you!
Much appreciated!
Anyone else notice that companies are racing to produce EV’s that a huge segment of the population doesn’t want? People want need choice. Everyone’s situation is different but I see a real disaster headed for a bunch of companies. I mean what could go wrong, the government deciding what people want…..
I got the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires last winter. They are the best tires I've had on my Honda Accord in the last 10 years! I'm in NW Washington state and they do great in the light snow that we get. They are also really good in rain!
Nokians are great snow tires. Even their all season tires are very good on ice and snow.
Skip to 11:18 when they talk about the cars
Why not watch the whole video?
With all the small vans gone, maybe Chrysler should think about coming out with something like the old Dodge Caravan C/V, based on the Pacifica/Voyager. They seemed to be fairly popular in the ninety's and early 2000s
They definitely have plenty of room on the lot for a Pacifica CV version, maybe even brand it as a Ram. They should also start selling opal/ Vauxhall and Citroen models in North America before they are history.
@@SunnynPhilly Makes sense, a cargo van wouldn't fit Chrysler's premium image.
I’m so glad that you aren’t featuring the Cybertruck as heavily as other channels (and god forbid at least one of them is a U.K. based channel). It’s unlikely that where I live in a RHD market we will ever see it, it’s way too big for our roads and where I live we have lots of old bridges with a 2.5t maximum weight restriction. It’s even too wide to fit on my local lanes that serve as roads.
It's outer dimensions aren't that big for a truck. Slightly smaller than an F-150. It is immensely heavy though.
I bought a new Yaris Sedan in 2019. The Forte and Sentra were also on my list. Cars like the new Trax will make these sedans obsolete.
I want Chrysler to bring out the Imperial. Since the concept came out along side the challenger I’ve been wanting one.
Cooper makes an excellent dedicated snow tire called the Evolution. I really like them.
Tried to sell my wife on the Metris. She chose the Ford Flex in stead. Seat comfort was the issue. Metrics was to 'woek' oriented. She said it felt like an airport shuttle.
I watched the cheap truck Toyota video and enjoyed it. I also purchased a "cheap"version of an F350 earlier this year. I had to order it, an XL with the 6.8 gas motor, XL off road package, and it was still costly, but I have been using it every day and really enjoying it. Thank you for doing cheap truck videos even when they don't get the same viewers.
Why do you need a video specifically about a cheap truck? its the same as the expensive one with less stuff in it. If you wanted to see the most base version, go to the dealership. TFL will make way more money focusing on people who watch for knowledge and entertainment than people who are actively shopping, those people will be gone in 2 days once they buy their vehicle. The outspoken minority is not a replacement for the quiet majority when it comes to making money….
Nathan “no reason for it to go away other than you guys are not buying them”. UHHHH wtf is anything manufactured for if not to buy. Nathan, you’re a nice guy but I hope you don’t actually believe most of the stuff you say…. Cause wow.
Nathan: “I want to be honest with you [so I am just going to give you my opinion on the same information as everyone else has access to, and play it off as fact and an expert opinion because of course I will be right about the fact that the lack of rear view mirror in favour of a camera is an issue and of course you have to hate it and its all bad because I don’t like it and therefore you’ll never like it]”
Roman, you say that you want to do fact based journalism and let the viewer decide but you do not listen to the way you say things. For example “the extended battery shrinks the bed” well no kidding, so does a slip tank, so does a tool box, so does a tonneau cover, so does a canopy. All these things have an effect on what you do with your bed. Tesla specifically said with Sandy Munro that unless you are towing, you do not likely need that extra battery, but if you are towing, you can have it. So that is giving the customer choice, and if it’s a choice they like to have available to them, then it makes sense. You’re telling the viewer what their opinion needs to be about the choice. You’re telling them it’s better to decrease the room under the body of the truck and make engineering compromises for a small set of people who need the extra battery, meanwhile also complaining about the cost of everything. Thats not journalism, that’s injecting your own opinion.
I hated the R8 ……, now I love it! The big secret is the R8 is reliable. An excellent daily driver.
Nathan, Roman loves the TT"s ?
🤣🤣
He must be an Audi enthusiasts , "wink" "wink"
Love your stuff. I come to your channel to get objective analysis.
I always struggle with tire choice as I live in VA beach(almost no snow ever and temps rarely under 30 for long). However my family is in upstate NY and I go during the holidays in Nov and Dec. So I need something snow capable twice a year lol I have an F150 currently so running some Discount Tire Pathfinder A/Ts and they are 3 Peak rated. Been great so far and they ride quiet for a "cheap" tire. When I had my wrx I always swapped to some aggressive all season or all weather tires for 2 months at best and then back to summers. I agree sometimes 2 sets of tires is best.
I’d love to see some stuff on the upcoming 2024 Ford Ranger. That’s the one I’m interested in.
My brother bought a new kia rio in 2002..... not 1 major repairs other then normal wear parts............ he paid 10,000 for it and is still driving it to this day!!!
Maybe a Maverick platform based van?
One thing to note, and it’s no fault of tfl or how they prepared for this video because the announcement was made around the same time this podcast aired. The Jeep Renegade was also canceled for the US market. People really don’t buy them mostly because the Compass is a more spacious and better looking option for not that much more money than the Renegade. And they introduced the Renegade with the 1.3 turbo engine that was just awful, they leaked oil after 20k miles and in one extreme case I’ve seen one blow up at 31k. They’re putting the 1.3 in the hornet and good luck stellantis. I hope it goes well but I’m not holding my breath
Bolt is the best value new car you can get if you qualify for the rebate. Low $20s is nuts. I was spending a small fortune in gas dailying a Bronco.
There is a $4000 federal tax credit for buying a used EV as well. There are low mileage used Bolts in my area for around $15,000. So yeah getting a ~25,000 mile Bolt for $11,000 is pretty wild.
What was an affordable truck? The old Nissan frontier that you guys bought and reviewed . I loved and bought a few of them for my business and one for myself to buzz around in. I got them for 17k each. Thats cheap. 35k for a base Tacoma is not a cheap truck.
35:22 weirdly I didn't even get recommended that one, I heard about it in a later video and had to go back and find it.
which is odd because I got literally every other major auto reviewers video on it, and I thought maybe yours was just a bit delayed for some reason. nope, youtube just didn't want me to see it. no clue why
37:43 yeah but muskrats don't want that, they want tesla to have a different set of rules than everyone else, and for people to be critical of every other manufacturer because "tesla is changing the world"
and look you can say that right up until the model y was launch, after that my arguments are more "no they ain't" or "do you mean for the better"
40:28 agreed that drives me nuts to, like bro I don't care about one empty lot, show me your numbers. If you can't do that, I'm not interested.
also, even worse is when there's some outrageous outlier (see mach-e and it's tax credit issue) and that is treated as common place. no it ain't.
I love them TTs too😊
You forgot 😢the Camaro!
Holy Driver! It's an RJD Christmas sweater!
Everyone says they want the cheap trucks but the market doesn't lie.
Stellantis doesn't seem to be hurting too much, at least not financially. Net revenues of €45.1 billion, up 7% compared to Q3 2022. They have lots of cars sitting on the lots but they are selling them for several thousand dollars more than a few years ago. They seem content selling less volume at a higher price, long term, that may not hold up well IMO.
Me thinks that even Japan's electric grid would crumble if there were a rapid proliferation of EVs. Hybrids make the most sense in the near term. The transition to 100% vehicle electrification will take decades.
People in Florida: “What the heck winter tires are?”
IMO Mazda is the best value proposition on the market today.
I watched the cheap truck videos. I am a cheap base model Chevy Colorado owner. 😅. I like to see what manufacturers offer for the least amount of money.
Stelantis needs serious sreamlining for brands and models until it is too late.
Booyah 👊🏽 😁👍🏽🇺🇸
venza😢😭. My KO2's had 3 peak snow ratings...and it was just "ok"- still slides.
He loves the TT's
RJD. Best singer ever. Nathan rocks!
The Cherokee should have stayed a rear wheel drive vehicle with out a dangerous 9 speed transmission. FCA 9 speed is one of the most dangerous transmissions due to the delays in shifting and throttle response
I second the not giving a crap about McLaren. Porsche makes a much better sports car at a more attainable price, and with good reliability.
I watched the SR Tacoma video,
But its still very expensive
Yes , those alpha Romeo, fiat pickups are selling like hotcakes! Don’t forget Mitsubishi
To increase clicks on "cheap" truck or car videos might be as simple as dropping the word "cheap" from the title? Perhaps replacing the word "cheap" with "affordable", "obtainable" or "value" etc.??? Regardless, I am one that watches all of the "cheap" segments.
Nathan’s doing it Again 😂 !!!
Wait until you hear the new woke complaints this week !!!😂 Keep it coming man !!!👍
Its terrifying you have to explain objectivity to folks, (youth?) - maybe old folks forgot what it is, or never knew. Dunno, but I'm anxious for us all....
I know what it means and I'm young
Trust me, old folks aren't really different from young.
I'm often sad when models go away, like I am for the Camaro's departure. But, there is something about the Dodge that makes it a douche mobile. In reality I think Stalantis has to get rid of their gas guzzling cars to keep selling their more profitable jeeps and trucks. Fleet mpg's
My 09 RAM TPMS light been on since 2012. Try to replace them at discount tire , only work for a few months.
Discount has trouble resetting on RAMS .
Took it to the dealership. They reset but only work for a month.
I just learn to live with it for over 11yrs and still living with it.
Not gonna drop another $500.
Ford and Nissan vehicles I own discount has fix the TPMS but RAM has not be Successful.
RAM blew my budget
Black tape over the gauge cluster fixes the problem.
@gregmoessner3104
Maybe I can could start a GOFUNDME
😆 🤣 😂
Is that a Ronny James Dio sweater on Nathan?
Watch documentaries about Qutar being the biggest seller of natural gas to Japan.
Getting rid of the Bolt is the #1 stupid thing coming out of GM.
The whole idea of the Cybertruck is to get people talking about it, and talking about Tesla. Elon knew that people would love it or hate it, it’s a rolling free advertisement that’s worked even a few years before the concept was revealed in 2019, anyone who talks about it, love it or hate it , is constant free advertising for Tesla, and that includes these guys talking about it and every comment on every video.
And also ,The Cybertruck, like the Model S, X, 3, and Y, even the Semi and the new Roadster, is also a direct challenge to other automakers to do the same or better. Elon haters, Tesla haters , or EV haters in general can blame him for the change to electric vehicles, or lovers (and owners like me) of electric vehicles can thank him …
I drive w/dedicated snow tires, I prefer Michelin's & on my sports cars Alpin 4s are where it is at! Thank you Roman for finally seeing the light! It has "AMAZED" me that all the Talk most of you do on 4wd & offroaders to tires. It totally escaped you All that real Winter tires Not quasi kinda sorta winter ISH KINDA 😂snow Light snow tires were different from real ones! LITERALLY OY VEY!🤦♂️ - & Japan has sunk massive money, investment into infrastructure for hydrogen. 1 they're an ISLAND NATION Ya know Surrounded by WATER. It's not only for vehicles though, rather to Power entire Cities! And as Japan is turning off most of their Nuclear plants, it makes sense that they're investing Billions! One of my bfs whose a retired Hedgefund, oversees investment & infrastructure planning in several cities/countries. Japan being one of them, what they're doing with hydrogen is impressive! So as it applies to Why no EVs or barely any ? It's bc they're putting more emphasis on hydrogen & they're getting close. Japan wants to be rid of Nuclear Power which does most of their power needs, by mid 2030s!
Nokias hakapalita’s!
Why would you release a new vehicle right now? When you KNOW rates will be halfed in a year
You say do tires and wheels yourself. Well sure if the tires are already mounted on the wheels and balanced. Putting them on the car ain’t nothing lol
i like your video too. but why is audi r8 going away with it's legendary sports car.
Why are they wearing wireless mics and have giant wired mics in front of them?
Backup mics
You are concerned about Chrysler not having cars to sell...what cars does Ford sell? The real problem with Chrysler is that their vehicles are over priced and most are lemons. Selling lemons and going upscale is a problem! Chrysler dealers sell the jeep line, the ram line, the dogde line, the alpha line, the fiat line. What they cant sell is a $100k wagoneer! As far as the Challenger and Charger they sold that heap basically unchanged for decades! Thank God those things are gone. btw - it is not that people want "cheap" trucks...it is that manufacturers are overpricing products with features that people want. Why is an F150 $80k, it's because they can not because it is worth that!
Why does a dog lick his balls? Because he can! Same reason dealerships have high prices
I’ll tell why people don’t watch cheap truck and car reviews here in the USA. Because we are pre conditioned by medias propaganda, that we should live in this imaginary world were we buy stuff that we cannot afford. As if you are driving a cheap vehicle, you are considered as low class. It is an absolutely ridiculous and unrealistic state of mind.
It's the consumer not media. Media just conforms to the wants of people. People want to keep up with the Joneses, it's been that way forever. Bigger, better, fancier. Americans keep buying, manufacturers will keep making them.
@@TheCapn23 correct! But not educated consumers. Propaganda is the most effective tool used in history.
I look at the that video on cheap Toyota truck
Cheap trucks aren't cheap enough, now stick with me. A base ford ranger 4x4 with nothing extra is only 10% less than the XLT 4x4. Also by the time the dealer gets done with it, the truck is several grand more expensive. They aren't watched because it's not useable as a review for us to actually buy it and it's less entertaining to see the crazy tech. For me it's just frustrating to see the affordable options only a few percent cheaper than the crazy 40k rangers.
What are you guys talking about? So you're saying tesla cybertruck is false advertisement? They've been doing what they say they are for years.
I love this channel and love what you guys do, but c'mon be a little more positive with this company. No one comes close to what tesla has done and continues to do.
Have you guys seen top gear and what Jason comissa said about that truck? Watch that video, top gear is credible.
10 years old Audi for $60k “every man’s car”… maybe in Roman’s world 🤦🏼♂️
Poor IPace --no Love
Roman pretending to know ANYTHING at all about terminal ballistics now just to throw shade 😂. I hope they never get one tbh just piss and moan and get dyk3 haircuts Roman
What did he say that was wrong?
Nothing wrong today. Andre’s review of the CT was fair and reasonable. I feel several of there concerns (aside from range and price) will be addressed with more information, and this is why I hope they are able to test one soon. I am sure it is difficult to watch your peers reviewing an important new vehicle while not having the same opportunity. TFL is great.
Roman says so much hate and know it all vibe…you must be a lot of fun at the company Christmas party.
well, i hate Iron Man, and can't afford that anyway so that's why no Etron...
the one electric car that makes sense and they are cutting it.
Why would you think people want to see cheap trucks? Like C’mon guys are you that gullible, they are make more and more expensive trucks because people want all the options and capabilities, that’s why they sell and that’s what makes a video interesting. Why would be want to watch a video of a new truck with the same stuff in it as 2008? People just like to complain about the price. What they really want is all the options but for free. Don’t trust people in the comments, we are all idiots just bit**ing…
Clueless in terms of thinking EVs are a valid way to move forward. Hybrid maybe but EVs are a huge myth as to efficiency and “green” ness.
The Stinger is overpriced for the market.
Thanks in large part to influencers just like you pushing EV garbage.
Re Japanese company resistance to EVs (and most clearly led pretty shamefully by Toyota) I read a profile a few years back which described the hundreds of small component suppliers that would no longer have role going forward as being a key factor in their hostility.
Obviously also they've pegged their future on hybrid and hydrogen they see pure EV as a major threat.
Roman, people don't "love" cheap trucks. They want the expensive truck but they want to pay the "cheap truck" price. In other words, consumers haven't changed. They want caviar on the cracker jack budget. This is why people watch the expensive truck videos.
Having just returned home from a trip to the San Francisco area - Tesla is a cult out there. Literally 1 out of every 5 cars out there are these infernal golf carts. I'm convinced that its just like Apple - in that no matter what kind of objective criticism you level at the brand's products, there will be the religiously devoted that will attack you as a knuckle-dragging troglodyte.
Some people actually use their trucks for doing work. If so you don't necessarily want a fancy interior that you're going to ruin and you definitely dont want the bed height jacked up like on Raptors and the ZR2 Bison.
It’s that way with everything in this era. There are probably videos about can openers, with fanboy commenters cussing and threatening others for not liking the right kind. “Everyone who doesn’t agree with me are wrong, stupid, and an existential threat to humanity”.
THE CYBER TRUCK IS FUGLY
Hopefully these boring ass "podcasts" will be gone forever in 2024.
…you know you have the option not to watch, right? These are so much better to have in the background with the occasional glance while doing chores than having the TV on in the background. I was going to write “Hopefully the trolls will go back to X in 2024.” Instead I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and a little grace. ‘‘Tis the season. 😉
@@scottgabbard662 just speaking the truth everyone is thinking. This channel is worthless.
I like these podcasts. Nobody is forcing you to be here.
@@scottgabbard662i drive for UPS And listen to these on my routes haha
They can be gone for you, real easy!😀
Stellantis is purposefully destroying dodge.