Merry Christmas ladies and gents, and I hope you enjoy this one. A question I asked in the video that I'd like to re-iterate here: is 30 FPS playable, even in fast paced games like Overwatch? Let me know!
Merry Christmas and a happy new year my western friends. Yo using an old gtx 650ti will get you 20% better preformance than the gtx 1030. Got mine from an old pc gonna get me a prebuild i5 3,4ghz that can be later upgraded, 8gigs of ram, ssd 120 gb and hd 500gb and voila entry lvl gaming pc. Minus the gpu that i already own it will cost me currently around 320 euros in my country. Ye shit prices is what you get when you have 21% tax on tech imports. :/
And it's expensive for what it is...Wouldn't mind having one around in case of a GPU failure (for those who don't have an APU). But paying 50-70 Euro (France)...
30 FPS isn't universally enjoyable, but it does work when it's a consistent framerate and it doesn't hinder the genre of game you're playing. Singleplayer RTS, any sort of turn based game, card game, whatever. Fast paced games however need a higher and equally consistent framerate. Inconsistent medium framerates may actually be more annoying than consistent low framerates.
austinr09 some games play at 60. Rainbow six siege is unplayable at 30fps and runs at 60on Xbox and PS4. My pc runs the game at the same settings at 170fps. And it only cost about £200 more than the PS4 pro lmao
Not for Low spec gamer Hitting 20 fps is already high for them...30 is just unbelieveable...and 60 is impossible I experience this for like 5 years play anything on lowest setting at lowest reso (800x600) to hit 20/30 fps on my old intel i3-2120...now i got my first Ryzen 3 2200G and it felt so good...i'm finally out from that hell and enjoy 60 fps with custom settings and 720p res
SLI requires all GPUs to maintain the same memory contents. That 4th card, running at PCIe x2 speed would be a big memory bottleneck, causing some real problems. This would be one of those really rare situations where an HEDT platform would possibly make a big difference just because of the extra PCIe lanes.
Actually, I can see bandwidth limitations from the bus starting to kick in at 3-way SLI. Remember the cards have to communicate among each other across the bus, and their VRAM is not unified, so stuff has to get uploaded to more cards. On AM4 some lanes also go through the chipset instead of being directly connected to the CPU.
Probably playing on mobile. My 6 year old cousin can do it, but me and his 9 year old brother just can't work out how to move, aim and shoot coherently.
30 fps isn't playable in multiplayer games especially when most people against you will have more fps, but in single player games, 30 fps can get you by, it works in consoles.
CLAVIN ZKL i have an i7 6700 non K slightly worse clock speed but whatev I have 32 GB RAM I sold my GPU I just have to some how uninstall the AMD Drivers
@@DemeDemetre Idk how old you are, but I'm sure in time you can work your way up. I used integrated on a 3rd or 2nd gen i5 and now I have a 3080. So shit just changes over time. You got it though, give it time.
@@alecfortin6958 i used to game on a super ancient gma4500 playing FO3 then to an intel hd620. Had to do alot of research and tweaks just to get above 20 fps but was super rewarding when i could finally get good framerates. Man i feel old now lol
@@MrPopoy67 Yea I feel that, idk if it was because I was younger or if it was just more rewarding doing all that tweaking but I honestly enjoyed games way more with crappy hardware compared to my 3080 lmao. Don't get me wrong maxing out everything at 1440p is great, but it isn't rewarding just paying for the best of the best hardware and having it work with no issues if that makes sense lmao. I'm grateful but it doesn't hit the same haha.
CPU Physx isn't faster than any GeForce card, the reason is nVidia purposefully coded the CPU processing to use the absolute slowest type of code a CPU can use. It's artificially nerfed on CPU on purpose.
@@bdhale34 Depends, there are only a handful of games that support GPU based physx and none of the games in this video do, most are CPU based regardless of what GPU you have, and even them games that do even less is even remotely playable on a GT710. Another case if you have something like a GTX 1060 and you do play a game the supports GPU Physx, if you installed a GT 710 to do the physx, you loose performance as the 710 would then hold back the GTX 1060, you'd be better off letting the CPU or the GTX 1060 do the physx work, Rule of thumb is you need something about half the power of the main GPU to keep up with Physx to see any gains. Borderlands 2 played well on my 780ti SLI setup, I had a GTX 650 laying around, I used it for Physx, once anything the delt with physx showed up the performance suffered the more that used physx the worse it got, it was far better to let the 780ti's do it or CPU, less than 30fps drops was pretty bad for a pair of 780ti's. I would of needed something like a gtx 670 or 770 for that game to play well with Phsyx, Why people don't rush to get a physx card, its nearly pointless. Borderlands 2 hardly uses anything for physx compared to some other older titles.
@@VikingDudee Physx is a particular branded and proprietary way to handle physics with a GPU, most games use the method that is handled by the CPU. A CPU can do Physx stuff too but nVidia coded it to run like absolute trash.
I got a gt 610 (which is basically the same) for $1 at a thrift shop. I use it for testing motherboards that don't have integrated graphics since it's super easy to plug in for testing. I never thought about using more than one of them at once. Lol. Awesome video.
@@thefirstsin gt 210 is faster than an gt 8400. that being said it's still a terrible gpu. a used gtx 460 or gtx 560/660, or AMD 7870 for $30-$50 will run rings around it (the AMD 7870 is the fastest if you're wondering out of those listed).......and if you can find a used amd r9 270, that would be the fastest. but probably cost closer to $100
@@hhdplayz1232 It's always weird to see comments like this on videos that are clearly just experiments for the sake of entertainment. Like... yeah, of course this is a bad setup nobody should buy
GTX 710 on Amazon: about 40-50$ 4x GTX 710 on Amazon: about 160-200 $ GTX 1650 Super on Amazon: 160$ GTX 1660 on Amazon: 210$ Why should you buy 4 times a 710 when it has the price of a 1650s or 1660? Edit: Oh and a SLI Bridge also costs money so you can get an even better graphics card for the price
Merry Christmas!!! i remember I used to play games on my laptop at 14 or 15 fps and I thought it was the greatest laptop ever. I still think 30 fps is playable for single player but only if it really is at 30 fps and doesn't have frequent drops to 10,11,12 fps. I have spoiled myself by building a high end desktop so I don't think I could go back to getting 30 fps. But I feel as long as you get a constant 40 fps then that is a good gaming experience.
@@asaadmehmood7901 I don't remember the specs for my laptop bc that was so long ago but for my desktop I have an i5-6600k 16gb ram and a GTX 1070. I'm not sure what is the best parts are now but I had this for about 3 years now and it still runs crysis lol. I mainly use it for 3D CAD work for University but I game every now and then.
Back in the day (15 years ago) if I could get over 20 FPS in a game I felt it was totally payable. That would be on a CRT at maybe 1280x1024 Today 30 or less is just horrible. I need close to 60 FPS or more at 1080p to have a good time.
yeah we get too used to the luxury of new tech hence this situation i remember my old gaming pc kicked ass until 2011 where games started letting me play only at 30-50fps and i noticed it instantly and by 2016 my pc was basically uselss or just good for 360p to 480p gaming with major lag spikes in between.
Dude I only found your channel tonight... Been going through your vids... This is deadset awesome content man! Keep em coming (aware this is 7 months old)
To my taste, it does depend on the type of 30fps you are playing with. Because of my current computer being no better than a potato i have to run League Of Legends at preety inconsistent FPS and with preety hard dips. However i capped my framerate at 30 all the time and those dips were not that bad. However other games that i have played where my avg is higher and i can not play because of frametime issues. FPS is not a real metric to how games perform,, but frametimes and frame consistency is. Getting consistent 30 fps is better than getting 50fps that constantly jump to 20-15 and back up.
@@tejasmdharam9886 Preety much, yeah, given that BO3 can run on a PS3 which has something close to a 7800GTX, it can actually run on preety impressive hardware
In regards to framerate, it depends heavily upon a few factors: -Frame pacing -Type of game -adaptive sync Poor frame delivery makes the game noticeably stutter and unresponsive. Genres with fast on screen movement like shooters make tracking noticeably more difficult while more stagnant games like puzzle games don't have issues like screen tearing made apparent. Adaptive sync technologies help with the issues listed above but aren't magic bullets, but can do a pretty good job masking the aforementioned issues.
If you're considering this path, try an old 590. It's 5x faster than a 710 without SLI and nearly 10x faster with SLI. Just make sure you have plenty of 12V power for it and don't try overclocking without water cooling. It burns up to 365 watts and wasn't known for having much headroom.
I think most people who buy it know that it is crap. But it is available new at local stores, it has no fan, doesn't need extra power, works with modern drivers, and does h264 hardware encode and decode. If you are putting it in a desktop for your mom or (like me) using it with Kodi/Linux, it is probably better than an old HD5770 or GTX660ti card you have in a drawer. I bought the DDR3 version, knowing that it would be twice as crap, to save an extra $10.
If you define "performance" as "does a better job at what you need it for", then yes. The same way golf cart might be better than a ferrari if you need to drive on grass.
@@1pcfred what he said was that the benefits of a fanless, low power, basic card that doesn't require much of anything to work is better suited for the sort of system that just needs to display an output.
I would be curious to see how 2 or 3x sli would fare with gt 730 and or rx 550. Also I think for any type of fast paced game 60+ fps is nearly required, but on casual games like rts's 30 is playable. I play total war attilla on my vega 8 laptop and its perfectly playable at 30-45fps however I tried pubg and it was a nightmare.
Bandwithwise that card only needs a 1x slot. There is a version that has only a 1x connector, which is useful for a AMD based mini server build, based on consumer components, where you may only have a 1x slot free, after installing all the 10GBE and HBA cards needed.
30 fps in competative games are not playable if the reason you play those games are for competative reasons. From my experience in Overwatch on my school laptop that pushes 30 fps with 45% automatic renderscale going to 150+ fps and using 140hz on your display you will not believe how big of a difference it really is. I played in bronze before and when I played on this gaming laptop I went from bronze to gold in all roles and won 24 games in a row as dps playing Soldier. I did return the laptop for reasons and buildt a computer that pushes 240+ fps and using a 240hz display and have used the setup now since late 2019. Some people believe that you can improve your aim by just playing a game for much time but the truth is that if you don't have the setup needed, this is not possible. You can't see how bad your aim is if you only have 30 fps because you don't have enough frames to evaluate all the shots you are missing. When first using the gaming laptop I wondered why I miss all the shots but then realized that my accuracy was the same as before but the difference is that I now can see how bad my aim really is. I highly reccomend if you have can to uppgrade your setup if you care about getting better at competative games. On the gaming laptop after just some hours of playing My aim went from 26-34% accuracy on Soldier in bronze to 55%-65% in bronze. In gold it is 39-46 I think. However aim isn't everything, gamesense are equally as important if not even more. I have played with plat dps that say that they have 30 fps so with good gamesense you can come a long way. The one I remember now played Torb in the match.
as somebody who used to play destiny 1 for roughly 3 years straight in my early days.. i'd say yes because at times, there could be some latency issues involved. fast paced games tend to suffer a lot especially, including cod cold war where below 40 fps = stuttering fire on semi auto weapons > meaning latency issues are up the butt. in a nutshell; its harder to track enemies and to use fast semi auto weapons due to the fact lower FPS seems to really kick people in the balls, but i dunno what that is like for other games.
I have a GT 610 in my tool kit as a diagnostic card, I recommend keeping one of these cheaper cards if you ever run into suspected hardware issues. Also great stopgap option if you don't have a spare card laying around.
30fps with smooth performance is completely fine but if you're playing at 30fps with bad fps consistency it does make games unplayable in some instances. That's why its sometimes better to cap your fps to 30 even if you are getting 60fps because in my opinion smooth 30fps is better than stuttering 60fps
i know this will get annoying but i want to see a series on retro cards in Sli and what they might be capable of... the cards i have in mind: Geforce 6800 GT ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB GeForce 8800 GTX Radeon HD 2900 XT ATi Radeon 5970 GTX 550ti GTX 560ti GTX 580 Asus mars GTX 580 3gig DDR5 Radeon HD 6770 DDR5 AMD Radeon HD 7970 CF 3gig DDR5 GTX 680 GTX 750ti AMD Radeon R9 290X(Uber Mode) GTX 780Ti Radeon R9 290 GTX 980 GT 1030 DDR5 GTX 1050 2gig i would love a series like this to showcase what these cards could do if you went retro as hell.
I had a GT710 in my HTPC before I bought a 2060 so I can game on my living room TV. Given its popularity I will definitely be throwing it up for sale on eBay.
Man, that is the kind of content i have subscribed for (as some other low - mid end hw related stuff). The weird experiments, that are just interesting and fun to watch. To be honest, i consinder 30 fps as playable, when it is a singleplayer game/campaign, in multiplayergames like CS:GO/BF/COD it is definetly to slow to consider as playable. Still, awsome work of you, happy holidays ;-)
For me 30 FPS feels like I've never played games in my life. It makes it HELL. The reason behind this is that moving from at least 60 FPS makes me spot the huge decrease in perfomance (I am currently using a gaming PC and a PS4 for some games). When I get on the PS4, the whole experience gets much lower, I feel like I can't properly move around, it literally scratches my eyeball. 60 FPS is the minimal for me, while everything that gets above 75 is great (using a compatible screen, ofc). I switched from 60 to 144 then back to 75. 60hz feels awful now too, but still okay. Never going under 75hz though. CheerS!
i am very sensitive to low refresh rates and inconsistent frametimes. last year i went from an old 60hz panel (it was overclocked to 70hz, noticeable difference) to a 144hz panel with freesync. since that day gaming feels wayyyyyy better. did some testing and found out, that my gaming experience feels best with a minimum of ~85fps, best ~100. speaking of refresh rates... on crt screens, 85hz was that " magic barrier" , when the flickering became acceptable and didnt result in headache.
Honestly since I got G-Sync I don't mind lower framerates much anymore. Similarly I feel 144Hz does little good compared to 60, as long as G-Sync is enabled. It's amazing tech for sure.
I used to play Witcher 3 at highish graphic settings, 900p 60 fps, but then i decided to max everything out (except hairworks), set 1080p and lock fps at 30. Honestly it felt absolutely fine and I enjoyed hundreds of hours that way. Maybe It's also because with my old laptop I was used to playing games at 10-20 fps with everything on minimum, but TBH for me 30 (STABLE) fps is still absolutely fine for an offline game and acceptable even for multiplayer first person shooters like Arma 3, if there's no better alternative. But if I have to get a new PC I would never aim at any less than 55-60 fps average on the games I plan to play of course.
Using Different SLI Auto and using it on cards that don't officially support SLI and therefore don't have the SLI or Nvlink connector means all that communication data that would go over the bridge is now going over the PCIE bus. Therefore PCIE bandwidth would become an issue much sooner than it normal. And the more cards you have the more this could become an issue.
Radeon RX550 generally costs less and has a Display Port 1.4 output, the cheapest card to have that. This is important because it took me ages to find the cheapest card with a display port output for my backup / media PC.
@@rockboy1234 it's glaringly obvious. A few of them will just pickaxe buildings while you shoot at them they'll never react due to some bug. There's also just ridiculously bad aim on PC since the blackhole. It's much more noticeable on PC than on console since the level of human play is much higher than console.
@OzTalksHW the GT 710 may be weak however I added one to my HP PC running an AMD A6 with 8 GB ram and Windows 10 for the purpose of playing retro games and it works flawlessly. I never bought the machine for this purpose but the graphics card gave it new life and now I enjoy playing games on PC. I play the more modern games on my home consoles. To me for the less than $50 I paid for it it was worth every penny. I bought the Asus version with the 2GB DDR5 ram by the way.
30 FPS is fine for the most part, but when I'm playing a game with a lot of movement, I start to get a headache (like looking around the forest in Kingdom Come Deliverance)
Just saw this vid after a long time on the channel. Purchased a 750ti from Aliexpress for usd50 years back from your older video. Was wondering what was missing in this video and checked the channel to see it was the beard.
RTX 2070 (2 monitors) and GT 710 (3 more monitors) I wanted the cheapest newest card, cause my old card's support stopped, which prevented me from updating any of my graphics drivers
When I was looking at setting up SLI earlier this year, I saw on my motherboard's manual that the first two PCIe slots would be configured differently, depending on whether one slot or both slots had a card in them, ultimately changing their data transfer speeds. This could be the case with what happened to you with using 4 cards
Did you use nvidia profile inspector? This makes a big difference in SLI. I tested this with 2 gtx 770 with the bad parted game gta 4. With out NPI sli actually made the game a lot slower. Once I set up NPI I got a reasonable FPS boost and I could see that both Gpus were being used. I would think NPI would fix any issue with quad SLI. Please test it agian.
i wanted some suggestions as i wanna build a pc for myself but want to keep it under $1340( i have converted from inr). i think you are the right person to suggest the components of the build.
Nice to see that 10 years ago we had the same issues and being one of those who planned a big rig for multigpu I'm left with a monolith of a PC (yes it's dead cold inside).
30 fps is more than playable, we did it for years since the PS1 era. The problem is frame times and the fact that many modem games are designed to be played at 60+ fps, at least on PC.
I remember finding your channel at like 15K subs and then losing your channel and forgetting the name and I kept trying to remember your channel name and I couldn't find it, then years later I find your channel on the recommended page and I can finally watch your videos again!
First question and this one is for you to answer. Why do you have a MSI card for the close-ups, butrunning a Gigabyte for testing? Would I try this myself? Probably, just to see what I can get out of the old hardware taking up space in my basement. Thinking VR rig if I can make it work. Nah, just a test and disassemble for kicks. Is 30fps playable? Yes and no. Yes because I have played games, and still do, at this frame rate.The latest update of Star Citizen can't seem to break 50fps on my 1660Ti and in a busy areas it runs around 30. It is playable. No because CS:GO, Warframe and other "twitch shooters" need really high fps to make the game work.
I’m gonna try this in my dual Xeon machine with two Quadro P2000’s to see if it will work. I would have liked to see some productivity benchmarks. Subbed.
Honestly, most people here use it with 1366x768 monitor with scaled down resolution. With My country's economy gap, this is a budget option for those who don't mind scaling down games and playing old titles and indie games.
Merry Christmas ladies and gents, and I hope you enjoy this one. A question I asked in the video that I'd like to re-iterate here: is 30 FPS playable, even in fast paced games like Overwatch? Let me know!
For games like Overwatch at least 45
for casual gameplay sure, but for competitive no
@@LordGurgles It's already out - check the $200 pc video I made. you can make a $150 rendition
I know you are busy but test gt 710 tri sli and use the 4th gt 710 for physXs in a Batman,etc game.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year my western friends. Yo using an old gtx 650ti will get you 20% better preformance than the gtx 1030. Got mine from an old pc gonna get me a prebuild i5 3,4ghz that can be later upgraded, 8gigs of ram, ssd 120 gb and hd 500gb and voila entry lvl gaming pc. Minus the gpu that i already own it will cost me currently around 320 euros in my country. Ye shit prices is what you get when you have 21% tax on tech imports. :/
Ironically, this is the only GPU left on the shelf today.
And it's expensive for what it is...Wouldn't mind having one around in case of a GPU failure (for those who don't have an APU). But paying 50-70 Euro (France)...
Ironically the only gpus available in my country, ARE rtx 3000 and rx 6000. they are everywhere but expensive, any other gpu isn't in stock
Its 70$ here
@@Koeras16 check evga b stock. They have them for like US$30 here
@@devenm.2188 Ok thanks. Will take a look
Imagine saying you have a 4 way SLI PC to your friend and when he comes over to play it struggles to play anything 😂😂
what about 10 ways sli and it struggles to run anything??? 😂😂 😂😂
Bold of you to assume i have friends.
@@kIDNEYKid-xt9uc lmfaoo
They gonna say. 4 piece of craps
kIDNEYKid 1999 haha I feel ya
30 FPS isn't universally enjoyable, but it does work when it's a consistent framerate and it doesn't hinder the genre of game you're playing. Singleplayer RTS, any sort of turn based game, card game, whatever. Fast paced games however need a higher and equally consistent framerate. Inconsistent medium framerates may actually be more annoying than consistent low framerates.
Well put
Yea console people play on 30 FPS all the time
austinr09 some games play at 60. Rainbow six siege is unplayable at 30fps and runs at 60on Xbox and PS4. My pc runs the game at the same settings at 170fps. And it only cost about £200 more than the PS4 pro lmao
@@RekzysTheTitan r6 ps4 t-hunt used to run at 30fps around a year ago and i felt like it was somewhat playable considering its only t-hunt
Not for Low spec gamer
Hitting 20 fps is already high for them...30 is just unbelieveable...and 60 is impossible
I experience this for like 5 years play anything on lowest setting at lowest reso (800x600) to hit 20/30 fps on my old intel i3-2120...now i got my first Ryzen 3 2200G and it felt so good...i'm finally out from that hell and enjoy 60 fps with custom settings and 720p res
SLI requires all GPUs to maintain the same memory contents. That 4th card, running at PCIe x2 speed would be a big memory bottleneck, causing some real problems.
This would be one of those really rare situations where an HEDT platform would possibly make a big difference just because of the extra PCIe lanes.
Thanks for the shout out, you really took the video idea to another level.
P.S. Great sweater by the way.
Now do the same thing, but overclocked and water cooled
geeteetenthiddy
@@gerardonavarro3400 lol
My local Best Buy still sells these for $60 a piece. What a joke, lol.
U can get a used rx 560 for that much
@@cyberspino6277 you can get them NEW for that price
Four of those 710 would be $240 and a used gtx 1080 on ebay goes $250+
Barron Helmut Schnitzelnazi yep.
They should be 20 bucks a pop at MOST. And when it comes to buying a GPU with actual power, you will need an okay PSU to back it up.
I woke up this morning wondering how 4 gt 710s would run in quad sli. Thanks for answering this burning question. Great vid!!
Oh shut up Rebecca. You did not think that.
@@mikakorhonen5715 she did stfu boomer kid
@@nabilbillings2926 F idiot. I used internet meme phrase and you make personal insult.
@@nabilbillings2926 "boomer kid" ruclips.net/video/_VVqlkQhn7w/видео.html
Oh yes this must be where the try hard twitter users come
4-way SLI with a GT 710. What a great Christmas gift.
I would rather take socks
@@xlaimuxllt I would rather take 3-way SLI
Is this sarcasm I can't tell lol
@@smwfreak1647 no it isn't
@@alwaysactive6140 ya id rather get a used rx 570 under a hundred bucks
More like: "if duct tape doesnt work, put more"
flex tape fix it all
phill swift voice "how about a little more"
@@Rainbow__cookie that's alot of damage but how about little more
dont't use duct tape or else phil swit will come to your house and steal your duct tape and your PP
Now THIS is what I call a Christmas miracle. Making the GT 710 usable for games
The 710 works for League of Legends
@@johnl5753 But that can run on a potato
Lmao and here i am using a gt630.... i do 300 fps on minecraft lmao
i played apex legends on it nigga
You'll need 4 of em, just get an rx580 or gtx 1660 lmao
Actually, I can see bandwidth limitations from the bus starting to kick in at 3-way SLI. Remember the cards have to communicate among each other across the bus, and their VRAM is not unified, so stuff has to get uploaded to more cards. On AM4 some lanes also go through the chipset instead of being directly connected to the CPU.
3:46 Holy crap are they using a GT 710 as well?
It may have been a bot. I've encountered some that couldn't hit a stationary target and would give up and run away lol.
Looks like me after switching fps from consoles to PC
Probably playing on mobile. My 6 year old cousin can do it, but me and his 9 year old brother just can't work out how to move, aim and shoot coherently.
30 fps isn't playable in multiplayer games especially when most people against you will have more fps, but in single player games, 30 fps can get you by, it works in consoles.
Maybe I should have gone the 4 x GT 710 route instead of my RTX 3080. Hmm.. I'll think about this and get back to you...
Imagine getting a Victory Royale with those four GT 710s.
I have with an iGPU- Intel HD Graphics 530
GenoJason A i got 550 wins on my intel hd graphics 520 lol
@GAY ASS HITLER why dont u believe him i have a lot of wins on my 530 hd aswell
@@Sephiyroth bro lets 1v1 lol its a fair match we both have intel 530 but i have a i7 6700k and 8GB of ram
CLAVIN ZKL i have an i7 6700 non K slightly worse clock speed but whatev I have 32 GB RAM I sold my GPU I just have to some how uninstall the AMD Drivers
When I was a kid I struggled even getting a dedicated gpu, I was on integrated for everything so I would have loved this lol
i still have only integrated graphics
@@DemeDemetre Idk how old you are, but I'm sure in time you can work your way up. I used integrated on a 3rd or 2nd gen i5 and now I have a 3080. So shit just changes over time. You got it though, give it time.
@@alecfortin6958 i used to game on a super ancient gma4500 playing FO3 then to an intel hd620. Had to do alot of research and tweaks just to get above 20 fps but was super rewarding when i could finally get good framerates. Man i feel old now lol
@@MrPopoy67 Yea I feel that, idk if it was because I was younger or if it was just more rewarding doing all that tweaking but I honestly enjoyed games way more with crappy hardware compared to my 3080 lmao. Don't get me wrong maxing out everything at 1440p is great, but it isn't rewarding just paying for the best of the best hardware and having it work with no issues if that makes sense lmao. I'm grateful but it doesn't hit the same haha.
If anything much uses Physx, would 3x SLI and the 4th dedicated to Physx be an option - except CPU PhysX is probably faster than GT710 anyway
Good idea, but also true that CPU PhysX would probably be faster with a decent CPU of today than with a GT 710. :D
CPU Physx isn't faster than any GeForce card, the reason is nVidia purposefully coded the CPU processing to use the absolute slowest type of code a CPU can use. It's artificially nerfed on CPU on purpose.
NVDIA PhysX is better in physics computation if you have an older CPU like Sandy/Ivy Bridge or maybe Haswell i5s.
since the 710's have CUDA 3.5
@@bdhale34 Depends, there are only a handful of games that support GPU based physx and none of the games in this video do, most are CPU based regardless of what GPU you have, and even them games that do even less is even remotely playable on a GT710.
Another case if you have something like a GTX 1060 and you do play a game the supports GPU Physx, if you installed a GT 710 to do the physx, you loose performance as the 710 would then hold back the GTX 1060, you'd be better off letting the CPU or the GTX 1060 do the physx work, Rule of thumb is you need something about half the power of the main GPU to keep up with Physx to see any gains.
Borderlands 2 played well on my 780ti SLI setup, I had a GTX 650 laying around, I used it for Physx, once anything the delt with physx showed up the performance suffered the more that used physx the worse it got, it was far better to let the 780ti's do it or CPU, less than 30fps drops was pretty bad for a pair of 780ti's. I would of needed something like a gtx 670 or 770 for that game to play well with Phsyx, Why people don't rush to get a physx card, its nearly pointless. Borderlands 2 hardly uses anything for physx compared to some other older titles.
@@VikingDudee Physx is a particular branded and proprietary way to handle physics with a GPU, most games use the method that is handled by the CPU. A CPU can do Physx stuff too but nVidia coded it to run like absolute trash.
I got a gt 610 (which is basically the same) for $1 at a thrift shop. I use it for testing motherboards that don't have integrated graphics since it's super easy to plug in for testing. I never thought about using more than one of them at once. Lol. Awesome video.
3:50 fortnite has bots now
😭😭
Iama Dinosaur it’s not a leak, there is skill based matchmaking in fort
not in cups
Filetsteak ofc not in cups.
Filetsteak but I highly doubt someone with a 710 will be playing tournaments competitively
"you can sli most nvidia gpus"
me: * looks to my 2 gt 8400 card *
laughs at gt210 supremacy.
currently using it to play eve
@@thefirstsin bruh
@@thefirstsin gt 210 is faster than an gt 8400. that being said it's still a terrible gpu. a used gtx 460 or gtx 560/660, or AMD 7870 for $30-$50 will run rings around it (the AMD 7870 is the fastest if you're wondering out of those listed).......and if you can find a used amd r9 270, that would be the fastest. but probably cost closer to $100
Not horrible for windows 10 Minecraft:)
not horrible but bad
yes but price u could just buy like a 1060
@@hhdplayz1232 It's always weird to see comments like this on videos that are clearly just experiments for the sake of entertainment. Like... yeah, of course this is a bad setup nobody should buy
Just call it Bedrock Edition, lmao
Minecraft is more of a CPU intensive game than GPU in my opinion
GTX 710 on Amazon: about 40-50$
4x GTX 710 on Amazon: about 160-200 $
GTX 1650 Super on Amazon: 160$
GTX 1660 on Amazon: 210$
Why should you buy 4 times a 710 when it has the price of a 1650s or 1660?
Edit: Oh and a SLI Bridge also costs money so you can get an even better graphics card for the price
Merry Christmas!!! i remember I used to play games on my laptop at 14 or 15 fps and I thought it was the greatest laptop ever. I still think 30 fps is playable for single player but only if it really is at 30 fps and doesn't have frequent drops to 10,11,12 fps. I have spoiled myself by building a high end desktop so I don't think I could go back to getting 30 fps. But I feel as long as you get a constant 40 fps then that is a good gaming experience.
WHAT SPECS
@@asaadmehmood7901 I don't remember the specs for my laptop bc that was so long ago but for my desktop I have an i5-6600k 16gb ram and a GTX 1070. I'm not sure what is the best parts are now but I had this for about 3 years now and it still runs crysis lol. I mainly use it for 3D CAD work for University but I game every now and then.
TBH for me 40 fps doesn't really feel much better than 30, but it's from 50 to 55 where the jump is huge for me.
Amazon throwing them little gt710's like ninja stars. :D
Back in the day (15 years ago) if I could get over 20 FPS in a game I felt it was totally payable. That would be on a CRT at maybe 1280x1024 Today 30 or less is just horrible. I need close to 60 FPS or more at 1080p to have a good time.
yeah we get too used to the luxury of new tech hence this situation i remember my old gaming pc kicked ass until 2011 where games started letting me play only at 30-50fps and i noticed it instantly and by 2016 my pc was basically uselss or just good for 360p to 480p gaming with major lag spikes in between.
Maybe you just don't know how to have a good time anymore?
I prefer 75 fps, 60fps look a lil bad on my 75hz monitor 😂
also because crt's were much faster then any lcd screen today is
@@budgetking2591 were they? Faster in some ways to be sure. I don't think they were faster in frame rate though. 60 Hz refresh was quite common.
Dude I only found your channel tonight... Been going through your vids... This is deadset awesome content man! Keep em coming (aware this is 7 months old)
To my taste, it does depend on the type of 30fps you are playing with. Because of my current computer being no better than a potato i have to run League Of Legends at preety inconsistent FPS and with preety hard dips. However i capped my framerate at 30 all the time and those dips were not that bad. However other games that i have played where my avg is higher and i can not play because of frametime issues. FPS is not a real metric to how games perform,, but frametimes and frame consistency is. Getting consistent 30 fps is better than getting 50fps that constantly jump to 20-15 and back up.
i played call of duty black ops 3 on the g710
@@tejasmdharam9886 Preety much, yeah, given that BO3 can run on a PS3 which has something close to a 7800GTX, it can actually run on preety impressive hardware
@@sovyonok5565 preety
In regards to framerate, it depends heavily upon a few factors:
-Frame pacing
-Type of game
-adaptive sync
Poor frame delivery makes the game noticeably stutter and unresponsive.
Genres with fast on screen movement like shooters make tracking noticeably more difficult while more stagnant games like puzzle games don't have issues like screen tearing made apparent.
Adaptive sync technologies help with the issues listed above but aren't magic bullets, but can do a pretty good job masking the aforementioned issues.
The title got me hook line and sinker.
@jim rose I'm not mad tho! It was interesting!
If you're considering this path, try an old 590. It's 5x faster than a 710 without SLI and nearly 10x faster with SLI. Just make sure you have plenty of 12V power for it and don't try overclocking without water cooling. It burns up to 365 watts and wasn't known for having much headroom.
This thing is not worth 50 bucks NEW
Thats how crap it is
But how about if we wrap a string of Christmas lights around it? You know RGB!
I think most people who buy it know that it is crap. But it is available new at local stores, it has no fan, doesn't need extra power, works with modern drivers, and does h264 hardware encode and decode. If you are putting it in a desktop for your mom or (like me) using it with Kodi/Linux, it is probably better than an old HD5770 or GTX660ti card you have in a drawer. I bought the DDR3 version, knowing that it would be twice as crap, to save an extra $10.
@@beauslim you really think a 710 outperforms a GTX 660ti?
If you define "performance" as "does a better job at what you need it for", then yes. The same way golf cart might be better than a ferrari if you need to drive on grass.
@@1pcfred what he said was that the benefits of a fanless, low power, basic card that doesn't require much of anything to work is better suited for the sort of system that just needs to display an output.
Dawid is a great dude with a good channel, glad to hear youtubers watch him as well since he always recommends other people
3 gt 1030 = 3090...?
I would be curious to see how 2 or 3x sli would fare with gt 730 and or rx 550. Also I think for any type of fast paced game 60+ fps is nearly required, but on casual games like rts's 30 is playable. I play total war attilla on my vega 8 laptop and its perfectly playable at 30-45fps however I tried pubg and it was a nightmare.
That was a rather interesting experiment! I was curious to see how 4 cards would work out. I wonder how they would do with 2D games.
Bandwithwise that card only needs a 1x slot. There is a version that has only a 1x connector, which is useful for a AMD based mini server build, based on consumer components, where you may only have a 1x slot free, after installing all the 10GBE and HBA cards needed.
"GT 710 quad-SLI"
WUT
30 fps in competative games are not playable if the reason you play those games are for competative reasons. From my experience in Overwatch on my school laptop that pushes 30 fps with 45% automatic renderscale going to 150+ fps and using 140hz on your display you will not believe how big of a difference it really is. I played in bronze before and when I played on this gaming laptop I went from bronze to gold in all roles and won 24 games in a row as dps playing Soldier. I did return the laptop for reasons and buildt a computer that pushes 240+ fps and using a 240hz display and have used the setup now since late 2019. Some people believe that you can improve your aim by just playing a game for much time but the truth is that if you don't have the setup needed, this is not possible. You can't see how bad your aim is if you only have 30 fps because you don't have enough frames to evaluate all the shots you are missing. When first using the gaming laptop I wondered why I miss all the shots but then realized that my accuracy was the same as before but the difference is that I now can see how bad my aim really is. I highly reccomend if you have can to uppgrade your setup if you care about getting better at competative games. On the gaming laptop after just some hours of playing My aim went from 26-34% accuracy on Soldier in bronze to 55%-65% in bronze. In gold it is 39-46 I think. However aim isn't everything, gamesense are equally as important if not even more. I have played with plat dps that say that they have 30 fps so with good gamesense you can come a long way. The one I remember now played Torb in the match.
3:50 me in csgo
as somebody who used to play destiny 1 for roughly 3 years straight in my early days.. i'd say yes because at times, there could be some latency issues involved. fast paced games tend to suffer a lot especially, including cod cold war where below 40 fps = stuttering fire on semi auto weapons > meaning latency issues are up the butt.
in a nutshell; its harder to track enemies and to use fast semi auto weapons due to the fact lower FPS seems to really kick people in the balls, but i dunno what that is like for other games.
Expectation: 4 graphic cards looks awesome...
Reality: fail
4 of those cost 200 euros in germany. You can get a 570 for 150 euros and its like 1400 percent of that card.....
30fps playability depends on the game
I have a GT 610 in my tool kit as a diagnostic card, I recommend keeping one of these cheaper cards if you ever run into suspected hardware issues. Also great stopgap option if you don't have a spare card laying around.
I have the exact same thought process. Got a gt 1030 hanging out "just in case"
30fps with smooth performance is completely fine but if you're playing at 30fps with bad fps consistency it does make games unplayable in some instances. That's why its sometimes better to cap your fps to 30 even if you are getting 60fps because in my opinion smooth 30fps is better than stuttering 60fps
You can usually find a GT 730 for the same price as the 710...
Some of these are the firmi gt 730 which performs worse
I wonder how much of an improvement there's between this GT710 triple SLI and the GT 1010.
And a dual or triple SLI 1030 can outperform a GTX 1050?
Okay now do 4 GeForce 210's in SLI.
Don't tempt me Cobby ILL DO IT
@@OzTalksHW Please DO IT!
@@OzTalksHW DO ITTTTT
OMG this!
i know this will get annoying but i want to see a series on retro cards in Sli and what they might be capable of...
the cards i have in mind:
Geforce 6800 GT
ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB
GeForce 8800 GTX
Radeon HD 2900 XT
ATi Radeon 5970
GTX 550ti
GTX 560ti
GTX 580
Asus mars GTX 580 3gig DDR5
Radeon HD 6770 DDR5
AMD Radeon HD 7970 CF
3gig DDR5
GTX 680
GTX 750ti
AMD Radeon R9 290X(Uber Mode)
GTX 780Ti
Radeon R9 290
GTX 980
GT 1030 DDR5
GTX 1050 2gig
i would love a series like this to showcase what these cards could do if you went retro as hell.
I had a GT710 in my HTPC before I bought a 2060 so I can game on my living room TV. Given its popularity I will definitely be throwing it up for sale on eBay.
I need my 240Hz in Solitair
3:39 That is weird I run it with an i7 4790k and two GTX 980Ti in SLI and over 200FPS. What about 3DMark?
Proud to see a brother ditch the drugs and doing something productive. One love.
Awesome dood. Those little MSI cards are actually pretty cool.
This is one big bruh moment.
Man, that is the kind of content i have subscribed for (as some other low - mid end hw related stuff). The weird experiments, that are just interesting and fun to watch. To be honest, i consinder 30 fps as playable, when it is a singleplayer game/campaign, in multiplayergames like CS:GO/BF/COD it is definetly to slow to consider as playable. Still, awsome work of you, happy holidays ;-)
For me 30 FPS feels like I've never played games in my life. It makes it HELL. The reason behind this is that moving from at least 60 FPS makes me spot the huge decrease in perfomance (I am currently using a gaming PC and a PS4 for some games). When I get on the PS4, the whole experience gets much lower, I feel like I can't properly move around, it literally scratches my eyeball.
60 FPS is the minimal for me, while everything that gets above 75 is great (using a compatible screen, ofc). I switched from 60 to 144 then back to 75. 60hz feels awful now too, but still okay. Never going under 75hz though. CheerS!
i am very sensitive to low refresh rates and inconsistent frametimes. last year i went from an old 60hz panel (it was overclocked to 70hz, noticeable difference) to a 144hz panel with freesync. since that day gaming feels wayyyyyy better.
did some testing and found out, that my gaming experience feels best with a minimum of ~85fps, best ~100.
speaking of refresh rates... on crt screens, 85hz was that " magic barrier" , when the flickering became acceptable and didnt result in headache.
Honestly since I got G-Sync I don't mind lower framerates much anymore. Similarly I feel 144Hz does little good compared to 60, as long as G-Sync is enabled. It's amazing tech for sure.
165 hz gsync FTW!
p.s. 30 fps IS hell-
I used to play Witcher 3 at highish graphic settings, 900p 60 fps, but then i decided to max everything out (except hairworks), set 1080p and lock fps at 30. Honestly it felt absolutely fine and I enjoyed hundreds of hours that way.
Maybe It's also because with my old laptop I was used to playing games at 10-20 fps with everything on minimum, but TBH for me 30 (STABLE) fps is still absolutely fine for an offline game and acceptable even for multiplayer first person shooters like Arma 3, if there's no better alternative.
But if I have to get a new PC I would never aim at any less than 55-60 fps average on the games I plan to play of course.
Do a max OC in one card, if u get instability, then increase the voltage, if u get temps over 75°, then increase Fan speed.
Forget games just connect 5-9 monitors just to watch alot of anime lol
You have the right idea
I lost NNN by watching Anime... But anime is the best thing ever especially Naruto and JOJO
Or to just put it in a second streaming pc just to watch chat.
@@spiceydice6968 uhm how did you lost NNN by watching "ANIME"
CLAVIN ZKL I mean it's anime... I apologize for my lack of manners
Using Different SLI Auto and using it on cards that don't officially support SLI and therefore don't have the SLI or Nvlink connector means all that communication data that would go over the bridge is now going over the PCIE bus. Therefore PCIE bandwidth would become an issue much sooner than it normal. And the more cards you have the more this could become an issue.
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Radeon RX550 generally costs less and has a Display Port 1.4 output, the cheapest card to have that. This is important because it took me ages to find the cheapest card with a display port output for my backup / media PC.
Fyi fortnite has bots now. That person was most likely a bot.
What source did you get this information from..?
@@rockboy1234 it's glaringly obvious. A few of them will just pickaxe buildings while you shoot at them they'll never react due to some bug. There's also just ridiculously bad aim on PC since the blackhole. It's much more noticeable on PC than on console since the level of human play is much higher than console.
@@BoshBargnani You sure they're not just 5-8 yr olds trying to play and they're really bad
@@rockboy1234 no, this is just buggy AI it's really obvious
Dude, that was me
@OzTalksHW the GT 710 may be weak however I added one to my HP PC running an AMD A6 with 8 GB ram and Windows 10 for the purpose of playing retro games and it works flawlessly. I never bought the machine for this purpose but the graphics card gave it new life and now I enjoy playing games on PC. I play the more modern games on my home consoles. To me for the less than $50 I paid for it it was worth every penny. I bought the Asus version with the 2GB DDR5 ram by the way.
FIRST HAHA
The GT 710 was a requirement for my x79 Unraid dual gamer one cpu computer.
x1 gt 710 pci 1x for the hyperviser and gui
2x gtx 970s for each VM
Back in 2013 I bought a laptop that came with 2 gt750 with SLI and it literally never used both cards and any games, even with SLI enabled.
In my country we only have gt 710, 730 and 1030 right now. And old gaming GPUs that people are selling right now are booming with prices.
30 FPS is fine for the most part, but when I'm playing a game with a lot of movement, I start to get a headache (like looking around the forest in Kingdom Come Deliverance)
Just saw this vid after a long time on the channel. Purchased a 750ti from Aliexpress for usd50 years back from your older video. Was wondering what was missing in this video and checked the channel to see it was the beard.
One year later and this video just got really relevant.
RTX 2070 (2 monitors) and GT 710 (3 more monitors) I wanted the cheapest newest card, cause my old card's support stopped, which prevented me from updating any of my graphics drivers
When I was looking at setting up SLI earlier this year, I saw on my motherboard's manual that the first two PCIe slots would be configured differently, depending on whether one slot or both slots had a card in them, ultimately changing their data transfer speeds. This could be the case with what happened to you with using 4 cards
I put these into Small Form Factor machines to give them HDMI functionality. I've seen them go for $64 at Best Buy.
want to piss off a nerd at christmas? don't give him socks, give him a gt 710.
Hey there bro just wanted to say I love your videos!
What gpu % and temp/ FPS overlay at 6:47, are you using?
It’s a benchmark system
I don't get it. This sort of performance (single unit) sounds worst then without a dedicated card. Does it make sense?
I wonder if the lack of SLI gold fingers on those video cards has anything to do with poor SLI rendering?
Interesting to see what worked and what didn't. Thanks for trying this! Well done sir.
Did you use nvidia profile inspector? This makes a big difference in SLI. I tested this with 2 gtx 770 with the bad parted game gta 4. With out NPI sli actually made the game a lot slower. Once I set up NPI I got a reasonable FPS boost and I could see that both Gpus were being used.
I would think NPI would fix any issue with quad SLI. Please test it agian.
How are you running SLI on these with no SLI bridge?
A lot of frame dips yes, but this card has surprised me, it shouldn't do certain things, but it does it anyways, even if it's garbage.
Does that software allow you to set one card as a dedicated physic card so the other card(s) could run better ?
Great video. I think what constitutes a good minimum frame rate depends on what you are playing.
i wanted some suggestions as i wanna build a pc for myself but want to keep it under $1340( i have converted from inr). i think you are the right person to suggest the components of the build.
I was searching for something like this exactly, thanks so much!
Could you please tell me what motherboard has a PCI-E 3.0 X2 slot?
that at 4:00 i was spiting the water out djde that was kinda hilarioud "he must have 4 way SLI too" hahah xd
Nice to see that 10 years ago we had the same issues and being one of those who planned a big rig for multigpu I'm left with a monolith of a PC (yes it's dead cold inside).
I have one, but just as a spare for my dads ssf dell optiplex to replace if the one it has now, stops working.
30 fps is more than playable, we did it for years since the PS1 era. The problem is frame times and the fact that many modem games are designed to be played at 60+ fps, at least on PC.
Is it good if you only want an extra HDMI port?
I remember finding your channel at like 15K subs and then losing your channel and forgetting the name and I kept trying to remember your channel name and I couldn't find it, then years later I find your channel on the recommended page and I can finally watch your videos again!
First question and this one is for you to answer. Why do you have a MSI card for the close-ups, butrunning a Gigabyte for testing?
Would I try this myself? Probably, just to see what I can get out of the old hardware taking up space in my basement. Thinking VR rig if I can make it work. Nah, just a test and disassemble for kicks.
Is 30fps playable? Yes and no. Yes because I have played games, and still do, at this frame rate.The latest update of Star Citizen can't seem to break 50fps on my 1660Ti and in a busy areas it runs around 30. It is playable. No because CS:GO, Warframe and other "twitch shooters" need really high fps to make the game work.
1:05 dude 35 fps on fortnite what do you mean me with an Intel APU i3 41.. something like that i get 45 fps 1080p
I’m gonna try this in my dual Xeon machine with two Quadro P2000’s to see if it will work. I would have liked to see some productivity benchmarks. Subbed.
How did you get SLI with cards that don't have SLI bridges to connect the cards together?
did you watch the video? he explicitly mentions it. it's a software that forces it
with NVIDIA Profile Inspector, you can make more games compatible and try different sli modes on them
Honestly, most people here use it with 1366x768 monitor with scaled down resolution. With My country's economy gap, this is a budget option for those who don't mind scaling down games and playing old titles and indie games.