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Everyone says it's a kid's car. I'm 72 have a 2018 BRZ Premium with a tune, Catback a 22mm front sway with 235 x 45 performance summer on 8" Kinsea rims. Going to go with 7 -10 pounds of boost later this year. The BRZ is too much fun.
You're cool for 72. My dad is 62 and he's worried about me getting a catback because it will be "too loud" lol. I told him that a boxer can never be too loud!
I can't decide if I want headers before wheels and coil-overs on my FR-S. The car already handles terrific and I enjoy the stock tires that allow it to be playful. Headers instantly solve the "dip" and a supercharger will eventually give it that refresh I'm looking for. I'm 55 and these cars are the most fun I've had on 4 wheels.
@@gbaby-12 yes an no. If you don't mind having a car that's super specialized ie. No room for a few friends no room for getting bigger things from the hardware store. But if you don't mind the sacrifice it's a killer daily. I personally have 16 frs and a second car because I find it's a little much to drive the frs on the daily. i also like having an automatic I can just be lazy in some days. As a new driver look for a 2016 scion TC RS 10.0 its red with a pandem body kit yes thats right a factory installed pandem "rocket bunny" kit maby be the better option and all the younger toyota mechanics drive tc's not many have frs/86 that might say something.
Something you may not know about the BRZ - the head rests are reversible. When reversed they are shaped to accept a driver wearing a helmet. Nice detail Subaru.
No. You effectively have no head support when you flip the head rest around. The Toyota Camry (and other Toyota headrests i.e. Tacoma) fit the BRZ/FRS seats and they don't have the extreme angle.
Idok Watcher people got way more responsibilities than a 60k-80k car. Any car with a balance of speed an handling are going to run you a penny. Look at the hellcat line ups. Nothing under 60...
Love the title, sold my Cayman, bought a BRZ for daily & a Miata for AutoX & never looked back. My budget is so much more friendly & I’m twice as happy. Believe what you want, but I get the exact same amount of fun from of the BRZ as I did the Cayman. Do yourself a favor like I did & throw on some KW Clubsports, sticky tires & a catback exhaust, you’ll thank me later. By the way, I’m 51yrs old & have owned several sports car, including cars that cost close to 100k.
I couldn’t agree more! I’m also an old bastard (52) and have the exact same opinion from my experiences. These are amazing cars. Time will show it and vindicate our choices. Meanwhile, I’m laughing all the way to the bank.
Nailed it on this review! I have a 2014 BRZ that I daily drive year-round, track, drift, ice race, etc. and have loved it. The BRZ and 86 really came into their own after the changes in 2017+ The balance in the new cars is just about perfect. You can easily smooth out the torque curve and gain a little bit more power with an aftermarket header and a tune. Brakes are easy to make track worthy with high temp fluid and better pads/rotors too. I just swapped over the suspension and 4.3 diff from a wrecked 2017 BRZ, can't stress enough how well they perfected the suspension tuning on the refresh. You can make these cars into whatever you want to use them for. It's almost the perfect affordable sports car formula, and awesome that they exist in the market.
I've had this car for 5 years with a Vortech Supercharger (which gives about 280hp) and it's been a blast! The only other upgrade was the tires (because I like staying on the road ;)
@@Malapropify you probably don't own a 86. The clutch needs upgrading past 300 bhp not whp. The auto can kind of handle that power you're talking about but needs a oil cooler.
I bought a 2020 BRZ tS - best, most perfect car for me, reunites and balances everything i ever dreamed of in a car, including simplicity and even a trunk. handles extremely well on my backcountry curves.
Definitely one of the best cars ever made. This car was so good, when I drove a 911 all I could think about was how interior materials aside, I can drive just as fast and accurate in the bends and corners. But I needed the extra seats so I had to get the WRX.
I've had my BRZ for almost 2 years and I love it. It's such a fun car to drive, the heel toe is perfect, and it gets really good MPGs. I'm 6'4" and fit just fine. Highly recommend. A simple tune fixes the torque dip. Mine has an Open Flash Tablet tune (switch between 93oct & E85 tune), UEL header, Borla axle back exhaust, & Dunlop tires. Also have brand new snow tires on 16" Legacy GT wheels (mounted & balanced $275 on craigslist). The BRZ rips in the snow, no problem because of the limited slip diff. You can run E85 with just a tune, no other mods. Buy a BRZ, it's an economy car that's insanely fun to drive. Manual Mandatory. PS: Traction Control off is hold the left button down for a few seconds.
@@justinlam6402 i feel that. thats how i feel about my 2016 wrx. just an exhaust and shifter so its not really fast just fun with a lot of available torque and i live in the city so cant get much straight away action much anways
All the people complaining about the title: this IS the closest you can get to Porsche handling and Porsche attention to detail (the details relevant to the driving experience) for under $40.... Even $50,000. 911s used to be simple machines--never cheap, exactly, but not luxurious.
@@BLBBOY99 comparing new to used is never quite fair, but yes that is something I would consider if I were in the market. The thing is, the BRZ could be someone's only car, but most people couldn't justify making the Cayman (or Miata, for that matter) their only car-- those cars are for people rich enough to have multiple cars for different purposes.
It’s been about a year and a half since I bought my daily, a 2017 BRZ because of this video and I still love driving it all the time even through the winter in Alberta.
I love my 2017! I'm an older person (as in not young) so I'm not going to mod it. I bought mine so I can drive a "cheap", fun sports car while I can still get in and out of one. ;)
Ha! I'm 71. I do 30-45 minutes of serious stretching every day to make sure I can get in an out of the car. No problems. It's my daily driver. The only thing that could be more fun to drive would be a go-kart.
Having owned an FR-S way back when, I will point out that traction control button can be held down for five seconds to turn all traction and stability controls off. There’s also a “pedal dance” that puts the car in a diagnostics mode and turns off all electronic safety measures.
Ben Schrader There is a pedal dance in my moms Prius that puts it into maintenance mode (all safety measures/traction/stability off) and I would rip that bitch hard in reverse, 180 roosters two wheel drive pure adrenaline, had the fastest time on the snake where I live, EH->SAG in 2 minutes. The Prius is honestly an absolute unit of a vehicle I’m not capping at all. Prius gang esketit
Awesome review! I agree on all points! I have a 2018 that I have lightly modified; I would highly recommend each of the mods I've done. -Performance Pack - The Brembos are total overkill for this car... and I absolutely love it. The Sachs are pretty amazing too. Unbeatable value for the dollar. -Apex ARC-8's (17x9 +42) with BFG Sport Comp II's (245/40R17) - the single biggest handling modification I have ever seen to any car. The wide tires and sticky rubber add an almost insane amount of grip - the car is damn near unflappable now, and an absolute scalpel on canyon roads and autocrosses. -Adams Ceramic Coat (DIY) - protects that beautiful but OBSCENELY soft Subaru paint. -Clutch pedal adjustment - moved the breakaway point for the clutch slightly closer to the floor, per personal preference. -Radium master cylinder brace - firms up the brake pedal feel under medium+ load by preventing firewall flex. Quick and easy. -Raceseng Contour shift knob - 500g shift knob replaces 200g stock knob; gives a more sure and confident feel going into gear due to the increased mechanical advantage. -Helix convex side mirrors - gets rid of all blind spots. -Helix side markers (smoked) - gets rid of the hideous orange markers.
What I love about this show is that, when one of them is super hyped up about the car and in love , the other one doesnt kill the vibe, yet doesnt fake it as well
BRZ + Miata comparison and tandem drift. I'm in. As soon as I start working I'm contributing to your patreon. Don't let us down. BTW you guys are my favorite channel right now. I can hit the like button before the video starts and be sure that it'll be justified just a couple of minutes into the video
I've seen a number of 86 and BRZ reviews and I enjoyed this one so much more. Think it's easier to just listen to a conversation rather then a person standing there alone talking directly to the camera lol you guys are fun to watch
I had a 2016 and traded in for a 2018 50th anniversary PP and love the new suspension. I'm not in a position to afford modifications so appreciated the calipers and rotors being larger as brake fade was pretty quick in my 2016. I think it's a gem of a car for the price point.
Bravo on the mini-911! As a long time FRS owner (bought one new in 2013), I think the same! It’s like a 1980’s 911, smaller, less powerful than the current 911’s, but dynamically so close. I once test drove a used 996 and it felt like a larger FRS, eerily so. Like Twilight Zone weird....I have nearly 90k hard miles on mine (well maintained with a fresh clutch and Tein coilovers, better pads and rotors, stainless steel brake lines and a Nameless track delete-saving LOTs of weight). I’ve been researching a new car, which I intend to buy summer of 2019....my wife has a 2018 civic Si and my son has a Mk7 GTI; and during the Si purchase process I test drove the Type R, Audi RS3, a Cayman and several other cars. I was set on buying the new M2 Competition, but to be completely honest, I’m thinking of getting either the TRD GT86 or the Premium model BRZ (both spec’cd with the better Brembo brakes and the Sachs dampers, basically the mods I made to mine). For the money, I’m finding it very hard to justify buying ANY OTHER CAR. I remember when I first bought my FRS, I had come from a nicely modified 2006 STi (I bought new and modified to perfection myself)... the dealer insisted I would get bored with the FRS. He was so far off the mark, it isn’t funny. My FRS has simply been perfect. If I were rich, I’d own a GT3RS, but I’m not. I just cannot think of another car sold in the US better than these cars anywhere even close to this money. It’s cheap enough you can THRASH the bloody piss out of it and not worry; it’s not so ridiculously fast that you can drive it HARD all the time; and it’s not stupidly big and fat like even the 911’s have gotten. It’s the best RWD car you can buy. Period.
just got my dream car. 2017 brz with the performance package. just upgraded the catback to a nameless cat back exhaust and it sounds amazing and is so much more fun to drive now. cant wait to get wider wheels and coilovers
I own my 2nd BRZ which is a 2018 Limited w/ track package. I installed a OFT Stage-2 Tune, JDL UeL Headers Catted, Invidia N1 Cat-back system. And let me tell you, this car is something else right now lol. It is "extremely" enjoyable & fun to daily drive. With this setup, it never gets boring at all. At the moment, the engine runs 205 WHP directly to the wheels. However, in the future, I plan on installing Invidia Overpipe and Invidia Frontpipe Catted. I never plan on boosting my BRZ, and wish to keep it N/A due to reliability factors.
I think it’s more of a modern take on a Porsche 944/968. Simple, balanced, light weight, affordable. The BRZ much more so but it’s the same formula. I have two 944’s and this is the one new car that really appeals to me in the same way.
2014 Subaru BRZ owner. Satin white pearl exterior. Tomei unequal length headers. TRD quickshifter. TRD exhaust. K&N cold air intake. TRD lowering springs. Tune. Enkei RPF1 black wheels. My future mods will be Tomei front pipe, Bilstein dampers, and 2017-up BRZ Tail lights. You guys hit all the notes with this review, it is a poor man’s Porsche, it does look more expensive than it is, it does need more power... and so on. I truly love this car.
Got a 2013 BRZ when it first came out. I still look at her with lust everytime I approach her. So far I have OFH UEL header, Perrin resonated catback, and OFT stage 2+. I've tracked the car, daily commute, twisties, even car camped in it at national parks and road trips. The BRZ is absolutely an amazing extension of myself.
I always smile when I see one of these coming down the road because I know I am looking at another driver who enjoys driving just as much as I do. Thumbs up on the video and thanks for doing it!
nope, I know a girl who bought a brz 100% because of looks. She does not care for driving, she'll take any chance not to drive. My sister also bought a sports car purely because it looked cute.
Matthew Gaither - I feel the same way. I expect plenty of people buy a BRZ/GT86 and don't care for the driving. But clearly (based on the comments) *lots* of us do. I don't do track days in mine, but I'm sure it would be a blast. I used to race a Honda VFR400. It was old and heavy and slow compared to modern sport bikes, but I never had more fun on a bike than that VFR, which I could push to it's absolute limits without worrying about it biting me. I feel the same about my BRZ. It's not super fast, but it handles *really* well and it's easy to push hard without much risk of getting into trouble. There will always be a faster car. But owning a car you can just enjoy every time you get I to it - for not a lot of money, cheap on petrol, cheap to register, cheap to insure, and cheap to maintain? That's priceless.
I bought an FRS 2 weeks ago and really love the car, already there are a million ideas going through my head. Brz, frs, 86 are truly so much fun, I smile every time I jump in it.
In mid 1970s, Porsche had a 912. It was a 911 with a VW 1600cc engine. In a stock bug, 64 brake hp. Something around 90 hp in the 912. My wrench had tuned his beetle to 250 hp. Anyway at 90 hp, that Porsche was a blast.
I have a 2017 BRZ Series.Yellow. So far, the only mod I have done to it is wide angle side mirrors. This mod is crucial! It should have come from the factory with them. They eliminate the blind spots and they're inexpensive. The ones I got are heated. They also have a blue tint which helps reduce headlight glare at night.
It took me over a year to get used to the throttle in the BRZ. But once I realized what Subaru wanted of the driver and why it's like this, it was a GAME CHANGER. Basically, they wanted this car to be a "slow" city commuter with amazing fuel economy (for the era), hence the torque dip in the lower-middle of the rev range. They ALSO wanted you to turn into a Formula 1 pro (and did their best to make you feel like it) when you hit a corner or a country road. You need to keep the car screaming at 5000+ RPM floor it to 7400 out of a corner and then powershift up and then down every corner - sometimes two gears in 2 seconds! You MUST NOT try to floor the gas in 3rd at 4000 RPM. Do the work. It's a car that forces you to learn to drive like a pro and rewards you with some of the rawest, most agile, and thrilling driving experience on the entire market. Sadly, so many dumb people (like myself) and even reviewers try to drive it after getting out of a TDI or a Supra and then complain it doesn't pull. Subaru, I understand now. I understand why they forced you to change the BRZ in 2021. Thank you for making it in the first place.
I have a 2014, been autocrossing it for 4 years. Added Koni Shocks, Eibach Springs & Sway Bars, & SPC Alignment Kit (Look up Solo Spec Coupe). 17x8 wheels and a catback exhaust to round it out. Car has been mechanically flawless, still love it. As a daily driver, get some Michelin PSS/PS4S, a catback, & leave the rest alone. Great machine.
You guys won't be "poor" for long. Its only a matter of time till we start seeing videos with the title "BUYING A $700,000 FERRARI AT AGE 24!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I put loads of miles on my turbocharged daily BRZ. This thing is Rock solid and it's been the best car I've ever owned. I still get 30 mpg highway with a turbo!
You nailed this. The pedal position and seating position in my BRZ was so, so, so much better than my STI. As soon as you get into a BRZ, it is immediately apparent that the car was designed from the ground up specifically for the driving experience. The BRZ is more livable as a daily than a Miata IMO.
I only ever give them thumbs up. My guess is that people may not like how scripted they sound most of the time. It can get pretty annoying especially when they do everything else so well.
I personally put Eibach springs, 18x9.5 ( bigger wheels ) headers + muffler delete and a tune and a front lip and my car drags more attention than a corvette and handles like a porsche. This is an amazing platform, i couldnt be happier with my purchase
I saw one of these at the gas station this morning. They look so much better in person than on video. It really stands out and is an attention grabber.
I wish the 86 was exactly like this. The BRZ looks better and has a better interior. The only thing it's missing is the 86 badging and the Toyota logo.
I bought this exact package and color in April. I love it. A lot. Edit: If you push and hold the left traction button for 3 seconds it will turn off TCS and ESC. ABS will still be active.
I have a 2013 and love it. 245 17” with Fortune Auto lowering it 3” from the ground. Gold LCA rear from Whiteline. Catless EL Header to cat back Perrin exhaust and tune. Have to have the short shifter kit. OEM audio sound system. Daily driver. The car now has that power I was looking for and the handling.
2013 Subaru BRZ! Mods: Perrin Inlet Tube Drop in K&N Filter Verus AOS with Drain and Coolant mod Sprintex(innovate) S5-210 Supercharger + Intercooler ACT XT Clutch kit w/ OEM TOB Verus 4130 Clutch Fork + Billet Futomoto drain valve OpenFlash Performance Tune Interior: 2017+ Black shift knob Slowpoke Plush doll Exterior: FT86SpeedFactory UEL Race Header OEM Overpipe Motiv Hi-Flo Catted Front Pipe Invidia N1 Catback Sparco Assetto Gara Bronze 17" wheels (Also have same set, in 18", and white) Buddy Club V1 Tail lights I have a couple fun videos i made on my channel showcasing my car :) I also have a friend who has an 86 who lives in Montreal. I live in Vermont and we always roll together when i visit. If you'd like to borrow any of our cars to review, Let me know!
You guys are almost at 300,000 subs already! Seems like not so long ago I congratulated you on 200k! So happy to see you guys growing so fast. You deserve it!!! So happy you guys got to review an FT-86.
Its my dream car that I followed for years leading up to its release. I own an MY15 CWP BRZ (from new) with the heated leather seats option. Mod wise swapped the FD to a Cusco 4.556 (13% faster gears) and a one piece aluminium drive shaft. Added a K&N drop in filter and some Crawford Power blocks that move the entire power band down a few hundred RPM, fatten the low down torque and close the TQ gap by 100rpm. I added the TRD door stiffeners, STI strut brace, draw stiffener and v-brace. Swapped the suspension to Tein Flex-Z coilovers and added their top of the line EDFC Active Pro damping system that adjusts the damping on each corner on the fly. Dropped the car 2" and set neg 2 deg camber all round. Tore out the entire audio system including speakers. Replaced with a 7" Pioneer head unit with Apple/Android, Pioneer powered sub in the boot (weighs only 6kg), tiny JBL 4 channel amp under the passenger seat and replaced all the speakers with JBL's including the 3" rear side wall ones with 5.25" units in custom brackets. I have TOM's clear brake lights, STI fender inserts, STI front fender and rear boot badges and a sprinkling of STI bling parts like the red push start button, gear shifter, Oil Cap, Radiator Cap and Battery Tie down. Going for forged 17x7.5" BBS wheels, Red manifold, ACE EL headers and a custom tune to finish it all off. Wildly entertaining to drive and I'll probably keep it forever. Only thing that would make me want another car is BRZ were discontinued. Then I'd buy the final edition and do all the exact same mods to it all over again. No regrets these mods really massaged the performance envelop of this car without breaking spoiling it. PS: I'm still on stock tires and loving them.
I've got the BRZ Series.Yellow and absolutely love it! I have the Cosworth exhaust manifold and their stage 1 tune, along with the HKS front pipe, and legamax sport catback. Sounds perfect to me. Also went down the STI catalog with various things like the lip kit, strut tower brace, short shifter, ect. It's a great car to tune for sure.
Cosworth rated their Stage 1.3 for some 30 hp over stock (at the crank). But... I'm just gonna assume is half that and be happy. At least it sounds good to me. But until it has 500 hp, costs
I love these guys. They clearly have a great friendship and this comes through every video. Also, I like the playful give and take banter. Keep it up guys. For Canadians, you're cool. (Just bustin' ya). 😋
I'm glad that you liked the Infotainment, I was one the Test Engineers in manufacturing for that Project at Harman. It's called AM6 and the only real difference with other Suburu infotainments from that period (MY17 onwards) was the screen and buttons. The core componentes were pretty much the same. My personal favorite was this and the capacitive touch buttons based BC7 High, which end up in newer WRX/STi and other cars. I was told that production for AM6 stopped a while ago, which makes sense since BRZ also stopped being manufactured.
I've got an FRS, currently only has an Invidia N1 exhaust on it but so much more to come. Personally not a huge fan of 99% of the wide body kits for these cars, but I do really love that when I go to Auto X, I fit an extra set of wheels/tires, my floor jack, my helmet, ice chest and a little tub for extra goodies plus breaker bar, torque wrench etc. And I can fit another person in my passenger seat. FANTASTIC CAR 👌
I'm between this and the 2019 Miata RF (with sport package) and cannot make a choice. In spain the prices of the two are very similar. Points for the BRZ: +Back seats (yeah, I know they are pretty useless, but at least they are there for an emergency or to put some luggage. +Less body roll -The car is very dated and will be replaced by the new generation in 2 years, with the supra coming out very soon. Miata: +I live in Barcelona (sunny city) and the cabrio thing surely is cool. +Cheaper insurance, less fuel consumption and easier to park (Parking in barcelona is a problem, and fuel is expensive as hell in spain) +Interior looks better -Noisy interior, even with hard top. -Body roll. Passengers get dizzy. -The trunk opening is the shit, you cannot even put a small cabin suitcase in there. In the end this will be a coint toss for me it seems... but I'm still open for suggestions haha.
People always complain about this thing's power. I always tell people that there's an aftermarket. I love this car because it has great basically everything except power, and that's pretty easy to add on. The only thing I wish this has was a 6 cylinder option to get even more power out of it.
It's already been said that the car is too low volume for a higher power option, but IMO it's much easier to add power to a great handling car than try to make a crappy handling car with a big motor handle properly.
Happy to see you reviewing the new BRZ. I was watching your review of the 2013 blue one over and over again, while I was waiting for my own to be delivered. You guys deliver great content, so happy to see you develop that fast. Owning the car for 5 months and it never gets boring.
Jakub, a car guy. Has the knowledge and background to explain mechanical aspects and important real world info. LSD, driving position, specs, and details that a car guy would appreciate. Teaches Yuri about cars, humours him and lets him join along. Yuri, a guy who likes cars. Only thing he offers is rewinding satellite radio...? Interesting seeing the contrast between car guy and average guy who likes cars. Great channel!
Just over a year ago, I was looking into getting my first car and I wanted one of these so badly. Eventually I settled on an nc Miata because that's what I could afford and it was still a similar car. Fast forward a bit of time and I got a better paying job where I appraise cars. After driving and sitting in countless cars (Lexus, BMW, Porsche, etc.) BRZs and 86s still had a special place in my heart. Recently I decided to trade my little Miata for a 2017 BRZ limited and the BRZ is honestly worlds better than Miatas in my opinion. And if anyone says these guys are wrong about them comparing a BRZ to a Porsche, clearly has not driven a Porsche and a BRZ back to back before. They're honestly so similar, it's hard to believe how Caymans are so much more expensive than these. If anyone is wanting to get one of these and you have the means to, I promise you will not be disappointed in the slightest even despite the "low power"
"She also thought this was a Camaro, because she was from Oshawa". Words cannot describe how epic a sentence that was. P.S. I grew up in Whitby so that really hit home!
I'd love a white Toyota 86. Style it aftermarket-wise like the 2000GT, give it the MR2 TRD 2000GT badges, put fender mirrors on, delete the spoiler, et cetera.
Had an FR-S, surprised with how much I loved it, traded it for an Evo X that I eventually traded only due to upside down loans and now, even with a V6, I loathe my fully paid off '08 Altima. I'm still paying off those loans but the car I own is paid for and I still want another FR-S/BRZ/86, an STI or CTR but got no monies lol. Thanks for this awesome review guys!
bought a 13 frs back in 2015 for 19k usd with 19k miles. since then I have put on a slew of aftermarket exterior mods, power mods including full exhaust, intake, header, tuned for e85. suspension mods such as kw v3 suspension, adjustable lower control arms and some upgraded winmax w5 brake pads with dba rotors. Learned how to drive on track with this car and have grown as a driver all together. forgot to mention I have 17x9 wheels with 255/40 re71r tires. Couldn't recommend this car more to any other enthusiast for a moddable, new, and modern sports car from a japanese manufacturer for a reasonable price.
My wife bought the outback in 2017 and I was thinking about the BRZ but couldn’t justify 2 wheel drive for my 1.5 winter commute to work. Plus I’d look like the that old guy in a two seater 😀
I second what totIV's saying, it's the tires that make all the difference. here's a video by Tire Reviews, a tremendously underrated yt channel, ruclips.net/video/STaximkaQxo/видео.html I would also suggest watching Everyday Driver's video about driving an FRS in the winter, hope that would help :)
Let's be realistic here. The major problem in winter with brz/86 is clearance. Traction comes after. There are some brutal storms here in north east U.S. Driving in summer in NYC in such a low car would still be tough due to absurd potholes, add winter storm on top of that and you're going nowhere.
It makes a difference to drive a 4wd in Winter in Canada. Because of the type of snow we get here it's usually way more than what Americans get. I used to own a Nissan Altima, (2wd, fwd) with snow tires but I often got stuck in the morning before the cleanup crews after some heavy snow. It gets worst when there's ice as there often is. After 2 years, I sold it and bought a 6 cylinder outback never have to suffer in the morning on winter and getting late to work again.
You guys are so right this is the tuners car and it's made to be this way you can add as much power as you need you don't need to complain about the horsepower because half of the fun of this car is tuning it
Mods: I have a '15 BRZ Limited and I added a Perrin Gurney flap, FT-86 Speedfactory Catted UEL header, and a OpenFlash Tablet tune for 91 octane gasoline. The flap is just for looks, but the tune and header eliminate the flat spot in the torque curve and add maybe 15 to 20 HP. Driveability is noticeably improved. For Winter I added Continental Winter Contact tires on Enkei Performance M52 (OEM width and diameter). I still have the original Summer tires on the stock wheels and the car does handle better over the Winter.
@@misharialmutairi8816 Au contraire, my friend; it was exactly what I was hoping for and exactly what I got. My BRZ is a daily driver, not a race car, and so I want drivability and reliability. The 15 to 20 HP additional peak horsepower is just that: the HP measured somewhere around 7000 rpm. I'm getting that additional 15-20 HP throughout 75% of the engine's rev range: significant improvements in low and mid range power and torque in addition to the improvement at top end. The torque curve is now virtually flat with about 160 lb-ft from 2500 to 7000 rpm rather than the disappointing up, down, up, down, up down of the stock torque curve that peaks at 151 lb-ft at about 4700 rpm and has that dismal 130 lb-ft valley at 3700 rpm. So, in "normal" driving between 3000 to 4000 rpm I now have 20 to 30 more lb-ft on tap and nearly that much everywhere else on the curve. Drivability in now much better, which does translate to being more fun to drive. The beauty of this is that an additional 10% peak HP isn't going to overstress the OEM engine components or the stock transmission and drive line components. Yes, in terms of cash spent, this was a lot of cash. But in terms of risk and time, it was cheap. The standard OFT tunes are relatively safe if used as instructed and take less than 5 minutes to install (even less if you get the latest OFT). The catted UEL header was pricey but well engineered, developed, and manufactured and it only cost me the time and labor of a couple of hours on a mechanics lift. Both mods did exactly what they were advertised to do: they added reliable power and driveability with a bolt on header and an OBD2 plug-in. I didn't have to install new injectors, replace valves, rods, or pistons, upgrade the cooling and oiling systems, or make any driveline upgrades to compensate for the increased power. Just look at SAVAGEGEESE video content on his FR-S supercharging project and then ask if he'd ever attempt such a project again. Oh, you don't have to, he already said he'd never try it again. Was he successful? Yes, kind of, but it was way more trouble than it was worth: ruclips.net/video/GT717HBSSNE/видео.html If I were building a trackday or race vehicle it would cost monetarily ten to twenty times what I spent on my daily driver to make a BRZ track ready plus a few 100's of hours in prep time. I've spent as much as I care to spend on this project, I'm very satisfied with the result, and I do not believe that attempting to get more power out of a naturally aspirated 2 liter engine would be worth the time, money, or effort unless it was for a trailered race vehicle.
I own a 2013 fr-s with Buddy Club Spec II Catback, Federal Rsrr tires, 17x9 wheels (thicc), K&N air filter, BC Racing suspension and some other aesthetic mods. Best handling car I’ve ever driven and lots of fun on the track when I do autocross.
Great car when I owned it! had the 2013 model :) best car I've owned so far. Started with a 06 sentra SER Spec-V, then the 12 BRZ and now the 17 Focus ST. Miss it every day! Had full header back )Replaced the stock EL header with Tomei EL for the rumble), all light weight pulleys, bigger radiator, intake, stage 2 clutch, and stage 2 OFT tune to take away the dip. Glad you guys reviewed this car!!!
Hey, I used to have an I/H/E 02 Spec V! I used to say if the Spec V was RWD I would keep it forever or if the S15 Silvia was ever sold in the US I would buy it in a heartbeat, then along comes the FR-S that is the same weight as my Spec V and looks largely like the S15 Silvia complete with RWD. One thing I do miss is the insanely wide powerband of the Spec V, the 86 family could benefit from a 2.5L engine with a wider powerband, especially in daily driving.
I just discovered you guys via the /r/FT86 Subreddit and damn was this a good video! Probably the most entertaining and informative 86/BRZ video I've seen. Cheers!
I can agree to how the BRZ feels like a mini 911 statement. I personally own a 2014 BRZ and my Dad has a 2015 911 GT3 and a 2004 911 base 6 speed. I drive both the 996 and BRZ frequently and they honestly feel very similar to each other in terms of driving position and handling.
BRZ/86 or Miata?
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TheStraightPipes a used Porsche Cayman lol
Ap2 s2k actually
WRX base :P
@@JustAnotherHo brz
Fiesta ST ;)
Everyone says it's a kid's car. I'm 72 have a 2018 BRZ Premium with a tune, Catback a 22mm front sway with 235 x 45 performance summer on 8" Kinsea rims. Going to go with 7 -10 pounds of boost later this year. The BRZ is too much fun.
You're cool for 72. My dad is 62 and he's worried about me getting a catback because it will be "too loud" lol. I told him that a boxer can never be too loud!
@@anguswett a boxer can definitely be too loud.
-sincerely, an 86 owner.
I can't decide if I want headers before wheels and coil-overs on my FR-S. The car already handles terrific and I enjoy the stock tires that allow it to be playful. Headers instantly solve the "dip" and a supercharger will eventually give it that refresh I'm looking for. I'm 55 and these cars are the most fun I've had on 4 wheels.
would you recommend it for a fairly new driver?
@@gbaby-12 yes an no. If you don't mind having a car that's super specialized ie. No room for a few friends no room for getting bigger things from the hardware store. But if you don't mind the sacrifice it's a killer daily. I personally have 16 frs and a second car because I find it's a little much to drive the frs on the daily. i also like having an automatic I can just be lazy in some days. As a new driver look for a 2016 scion TC RS 10.0 its red with a pandem body kit yes thats right a factory installed pandem "rocket bunny" kit maby be the better option and all the younger toyota mechanics drive tc's not many have frs/86 that might say something.
Something you may not know about the BRZ - the head rests are reversible. When reversed they are shaped to accept a driver wearing a helmet.
Nice detail Subaru.
I've flipped mine in last 2 Outbacks because I can't stand how forward they are.
No. You effectively have no head support when you flip the head rest around. The Toyota Camry (and other Toyota headrests i.e. Tacoma) fit the BRZ/FRS seats and they don't have the extreme angle.
and the roof has two dents for two drivers with helmets
@@tofu86oc55 Are the helmets for racing or just being a retard on a public road?
I've been tracking my BRZ and I had no idea. I used to get a little mad I had to recline the seat further back because of my helmet 😂😂
I'd rather have good handling than speed...
I'd rather have a balance of both.
That's excuse of poor people.
@@idokwatcher2062 everybody has different taste
Marko Ligaya aka excuse of poor people
Idok Watcher people got way more responsibilities than a 60k-80k car. Any car with a balance of speed an handling are going to run you a penny. Look at the hellcat line ups. Nothing under 60...
I'm genuinely considering buying this as my next car, FRS/BRZ is such a nice car.
Love the title, sold my Cayman, bought a BRZ for daily & a Miata for AutoX & never looked back. My budget is so much more friendly & I’m twice as happy. Believe what you want, but I get the exact same amount of fun from of the BRZ as I did the Cayman. Do yourself a favor like I did & throw on some KW Clubsports, sticky tires & a catback exhaust, you’ll thank me later. By the way, I’m 51yrs old & have owned several sports car, including cars that cost close to 100k.
But you’re not pulling pussy.
Flash Gordon you’re not wrong, 50 years old and owns a BRZ lol
vidurc hahaha i was just saying buddy
I hope to be a big baller like you in the future where I can buy two sports cars.
I couldn’t agree more! I’m also an old bastard (52) and have the exact same opinion from my experiences. These are amazing cars. Time will show it and vindicate our choices. Meanwhile, I’m laughing all the way to the bank.
Nailed it on this review! I have a 2014 BRZ that I daily drive year-round, track, drift, ice race, etc. and have loved it. The BRZ and 86 really came into their own after the changes in 2017+ The balance in the new cars is just about perfect. You can easily smooth out the torque curve and gain a little bit more power with an aftermarket header and a tune. Brakes are easy to make track worthy with high temp fluid and better pads/rotors too. I just swapped over the suspension and 4.3 diff from a wrecked 2017 BRZ, can't stress enough how well they perfected the suspension tuning on the refresh. You can make these cars into whatever you want to use them for. It's almost the perfect affordable sports car formula, and awesome that they exist in the market.
Exactly!
Look who showed up.
YES!!!
i bought 2015 gt86 half year a ago... i like it.. now i'm just searching for UEL header and a tune.
@@kamilo5078 I bought a black 2018 brz sport tech rs in june and I'm loving it.
I hope you guys actually buy both a Miata and BRZ and make some episodes on the side with them!!
we are still waiting for the comparison !!!!
still waiting too
Also waiting
GRiiZZ yes, waiting
Waiting
I've had this car for 5 years with a Vortech Supercharger (which gives about 280hp) and it's been a blast! The only other upgrade was the tires (because I like staying on the road ;)
How is the clutch holding up, did you need to replace it?
Stock clutch hold up to 350-400 hp.
280Hp is quite a lot for a little car like this, it must be good and fast!
@@Malapropify you probably don't own a 86. The clutch needs upgrading past 300 bhp not whp. The auto can kind of handle that power you're talking about but needs a oil cooler.
Eric Lancheres Have you ran it in the 1/4?
I bought a 2020 BRZ tS - best, most perfect car for me, reunites and balances everything i ever dreamed of in a car, including simplicity and even a trunk. handles extremely well on my backcountry curves.
Definitely one of the best cars ever made. This car was so good, when I drove a 911 all I could think about was how interior materials aside, I can drive just as fast and accurate in the bends and corners.
But I needed the extra seats so I had to get the WRX.
I've had my BRZ for almost 2 years and I love it. It's such a fun car to drive, the heel toe is perfect, and it gets really good MPGs. I'm 6'4" and fit just fine. Highly recommend. A simple tune fixes the torque dip. Mine has an Open Flash Tablet tune (switch between 93oct & E85 tune), UEL header, Borla axle back exhaust, & Dunlop tires. Also have brand new snow tires on 16" Legacy GT wheels (mounted & balanced $275 on craigslist). The BRZ rips in the snow, no problem because of the limited slip diff. You can run E85 with just a tune, no other mods. Buy a BRZ, it's an economy car that's insanely fun to drive. Manual Mandatory.
PS: Traction Control off is hold the left button down for a few seconds.
I've had mine for 3 months - what mpg are you getting?
weird. im 5 8 and was getting anxiety how small and slow these thing are when I test drove one.
@@teddyrosevelt4699 slow in straights but fun in corners, also once you get that header and tune it makes a world of difference
@@justinlam6402 i feel that. thats how i feel about my 2016 wrx. just an exhaust and shifter so its not really fast just fun with a lot of available torque and i live in the city so cant get much straight away action much anways
Teddy Rosevelt that’s what going stage 2 did for my 06 it brought me up to 310 foot torque and now it’s stupid fun to drive
Poorsche
Rofl
@@radoman7659 Hehe..
Oof
Underrated comment
anyone with one of these should go have their license plates' redone asap
All the people complaining about the title: this IS the closest you can get to Porsche handling and Porsche attention to detail (the details relevant to the driving experience) for under $40.... Even $50,000. 911s used to be simple machines--never cheap, exactly, but not luxurious.
Plus, lots of parts that are all plastic in something like the Camaro, Mustang, BMW 2-series are made out of metal in the BR-Z.
Just curious, but what parts are you talking about?
Or get s used cayman s for 20-30k. Great handling car with 90 more hp and 100 more lbs ft torque
@@BLBBOY99 Winner.
@@BLBBOY99 comparing new to used is never quite fair, but yes that is something I would consider if I were in the market. The thing is, the BRZ could be someone's only car, but most people couldn't justify making the Cayman (or Miata, for that matter) their only car-- those cars are for people rich enough to have multiple cars for different purposes.
It’s been about a year and a half since I bought my daily, a 2017 BRZ because of this video and I still love driving it all the time even through the winter in Alberta.
I love my 2017! I'm an older person (as in not young) so I'm not going to mod it. I bought mine so I can drive a "cheap", fun sports car while I can still get in and out of one. ;)
Ha! I'm 71. I do 30-45 minutes of serious stretching every day to make sure I can get in an out of the car. No problems. It's my daily driver. The only thing that could be more fun to drive would be a go-kart.
Having owned an FR-S way back when, I will point out that traction control button can be held down for five seconds to turn all traction and stability controls off. There’s also a “pedal dance” that puts the car in a diagnostics mode and turns off all electronic safety measures.
Ben Schrader gta cheat code for complete Bad assery? Im sold. Lmao
Ben Schrader There is a pedal dance in my moms Prius that puts it into maintenance mode (all safety measures/traction/stability off) and I would rip that bitch hard in reverse, 180 roosters two wheel drive pure adrenaline, had the fastest time on the snake where I live, EH->SAG in 2 minutes. The Prius is honestly an absolute unit of a vehicle I’m not capping at all. Prius gang esketit
There's a pedal dance in my 350z. Only it's to clear check engine lights lol
Awesome review! I agree on all points! I have a 2018 that I have lightly modified; I would highly recommend each of the mods I've done.
-Performance Pack - The Brembos are total overkill for this car... and I absolutely love it. The Sachs are pretty amazing too. Unbeatable value for the dollar.
-Apex ARC-8's (17x9 +42) with BFG Sport Comp II's (245/40R17) - the single biggest handling modification I have ever seen to any car. The wide tires and sticky rubber add an almost insane amount of grip - the car is damn near unflappable now, and an absolute scalpel on canyon roads and autocrosses.
-Adams Ceramic Coat (DIY) - protects that beautiful but OBSCENELY soft Subaru paint.
-Clutch pedal adjustment - moved the breakaway point for the clutch slightly closer to the floor, per personal preference.
-Radium master cylinder brace - firms up the brake pedal feel under medium+ load by preventing firewall flex. Quick and easy.
-Raceseng Contour shift knob - 500g shift knob replaces 200g stock knob; gives a more sure and confident feel going into gear due to the increased mechanical advantage.
-Helix convex side mirrors - gets rid of all blind spots.
-Helix side markers (smoked) - gets rid of the hideous orange markers.
What I love about this show is that, when one of them is super hyped up about the car and in love , the other one doesnt kill the vibe, yet doesnt fake it as well
BRZ + Miata comparison and tandem drift. I'm in. As soon as I start working I'm contributing to your patreon. Don't let us down. BTW you guys are my favorite channel right now. I can hit the like button before the video starts and be sure that it'll be justified just a couple of minutes into the video
I've seen a number of 86 and BRZ reviews and I enjoyed this one so much more. Think it's easier to just listen to a conversation rather then a person standing there alone talking directly to the camera lol
you guys are fun to watch
I had a 2016 and traded in for a 2018 50th anniversary PP and love the new suspension. I'm not in a position to afford modifications so appreciated the calipers and rotors being larger as brake fade was pretty quick in my 2016. I think it's a gem of a car for the price point.
Bravo on the mini-911! As a long time FRS owner (bought one new in 2013), I think the same! It’s like a 1980’s 911, smaller, less powerful than the current 911’s, but dynamically so close. I once test drove a used 996 and it felt like a larger FRS, eerily so. Like Twilight Zone weird....I have nearly 90k hard miles on mine (well maintained with a fresh clutch and Tein coilovers, better pads and rotors, stainless steel brake lines and a Nameless track delete-saving LOTs of weight). I’ve been researching a new car, which I intend to buy summer of 2019....my wife has a 2018 civic Si and my son has a Mk7 GTI; and during the Si purchase process I test drove the Type R, Audi RS3, a Cayman and several other cars. I was set on buying the new M2 Competition, but to be completely honest, I’m thinking of getting either the TRD GT86 or the Premium model BRZ (both spec’cd with the better Brembo brakes and the Sachs dampers, basically the mods I made to mine). For the money, I’m finding it very hard to justify buying ANY OTHER CAR. I remember when I first bought my FRS, I had come from a nicely modified 2006 STi (I bought new and modified to perfection myself)... the dealer insisted I would get bored with the FRS. He was so far off the mark, it isn’t funny. My FRS has simply been perfect. If I were rich, I’d own a GT3RS, but I’m not. I just cannot think of another car sold in the US better than these cars anywhere even close to this money. It’s cheap enough you can THRASH the bloody piss out of it and not worry; it’s not so ridiculously fast that you can drive it HARD all the time; and it’s not stupidly big and fat like even the 911’s have gotten. It’s the best RWD car you can buy. Period.
I love how positive these guys are with their reviews. They’re not like all the other car reviewers who bash on cars for simple things
just got my dream car. 2017 brz with the performance package. just upgraded the catback to a nameless cat back exhaust and it sounds amazing and is so much more fun to drive now. cant wait to get wider wheels and coilovers
I own my 2nd BRZ which is a 2018 Limited w/ track package. I installed a OFT Stage-2 Tune, JDL UeL Headers Catted, Invidia N1 Cat-back system. And let me tell you, this car is something else right now lol. It is "extremely" enjoyable & fun to daily drive. With this setup, it never gets boring at all. At the moment, the engine runs 205 WHP directly to the wheels. However, in the future, I plan on installing Invidia Overpipe and Invidia Frontpipe Catted. I never plan on boosting my BRZ, and wish to keep it N/A due to reliability factors.
I think it’s more of a modern take on a Porsche 944/968. Simple, balanced, light weight, affordable. The BRZ much more so but it’s the same formula. I have two 944’s and this is the one new car that really appeals to me in the same way.
Kristian Saile That’s a really interesting comment. I’m shopping for a 944 now...wish the BRZ came with a boost option like the 944.
acchaladka - you can buy a kit and have it installed.
Brz facelift >>> 86 facelift
I disagree. Don't hate me plz
I was looking at the 86 until a YT reviewer mentioned the 86 has the constipated emoji face 🤔
@@potatooolatke i saw that too 😂😂😂 camt unsee it now
I feel like the brz front is just too plane it need some curves like the 86
Nah, the BRZ still has that down syndrome smile
2014 Subaru BRZ owner. Satin white pearl exterior. Tomei unequal length headers. TRD quickshifter. TRD exhaust. K&N cold air intake. TRD lowering springs. Tune. Enkei RPF1 black wheels. My future mods will be Tomei front pipe, Bilstein dampers, and 2017-up BRZ Tail lights. You guys hit all the notes with this review, it is a poor man’s Porsche, it does look more expensive than it is, it does need more power... and so on. I truly love this car.
Got a 2013 BRZ when it first came out. I still look at her with lust everytime I approach her.
So far I have OFH UEL header, Perrin resonated catback, and OFT stage 2+. I've tracked the car, daily commute, twisties, even car camped in it at national parks and road trips.
The BRZ is absolutely an amazing extension of myself.
You guys need to ask the companies to slap Quebec plates on every car you test. NO FRONT PLATE REQUIRED!
Not only Quebec, but also Nova Scotia
And AB and SK.
mkmkmk1337 I live in Montréal and I love all you crazy bitches with your no front license plate.
quebec city here. didnt think that was a law in Canada as a whole, just some of the states
Max Yu Nova Scotia is lit
I’ll say it again: you guys have amazing chemistry and you actually laugh at each other’s jokes and comments. What a great channel. You guys rock!
and they argue relaxingly
I always smile when I see one of these coming down the road because I know I am looking at another driver who enjoys driving just as much as I do. Thumbs up on the video and thanks for doing it!
Enjoys driving slow*
nope, I know a girl who bought a brz 100% because of looks. She does not care for driving, she'll take any chance not to drive. My sister also bought a sports car purely because it looked cute.
Matthew Gaither - I feel the same way. I expect plenty of people buy a BRZ/GT86 and don't care for the driving. But clearly (based on the comments) *lots* of us do.
I don't do track days in mine, but I'm sure it would be a blast. I used to race a Honda VFR400. It was old and heavy and slow compared to modern sport bikes, but I never had more fun on a bike than that VFR, which I could push to it's absolute limits without worrying about it biting me.
I feel the same about my BRZ. It's not super fast, but it handles *really* well and it's easy to push hard without much risk of getting into trouble.
There will always be a faster car. But owning a car you can just enjoy every time you get I to it - for not a lot of money, cheap on petrol, cheap to register, cheap to insure, and cheap to maintain? That's priceless.
Joseph Montgomery I have one and is really slow but you can have fun with it
Btw I have a 2017 86 and 2017 C300 and I enjoy the 86 more.
I bought an FRS 2 weeks ago and really love the car, already there are a million ideas going through my head. Brz, frs, 86 are truly so much fun, I smile every time I jump in it.
In mid 1970s, Porsche had a 912. It was a 911 with a VW 1600cc engine. In a stock bug, 64 brake hp. Something around 90 hp in the 912. My wrench had tuned his beetle to 250 hp. Anyway at 90 hp, that Porsche was a blast.
I have a 2017 BRZ Series.Yellow. So far, the only mod I have done to it is wide angle side mirrors. This mod is crucial! It should have come from the factory with them. They eliminate the blind spots and they're inexpensive. The ones I got are heated. They also have a blue tint which helps reduce headlight glare at night.
Did you pay youtube to get me rate this comment? Lol
you guys made me want to buy this car, especially because I have a vague chance of buying it in the next 5 years
You guys deserve more subs
what the fuck
Wow I've been a sub for so long I just assumed they hit 500K by now :(
Yoooo thanks Riceman!
Right? I learned so much and it was entertaining the whole time. Love and subbed!
Every fuckin time
It took me over a year to get used to the throttle in the BRZ. But once I realized what Subaru wanted of the driver and why it's like this, it was a GAME CHANGER.
Basically, they wanted this car to be a "slow" city commuter with amazing fuel economy (for the era), hence the torque dip in the lower-middle of the rev range.
They ALSO wanted you to turn into a Formula 1 pro (and did their best to make you feel like it) when you hit a corner or a country road.
You need to keep the car screaming at 5000+ RPM floor it to 7400 out of a corner and then powershift up and then down every corner - sometimes two gears in 2 seconds! You MUST NOT try to floor the gas in 3rd at 4000 RPM. Do the work.
It's a car that forces you to learn to drive like a pro and rewards you with some of the rawest, most agile, and thrilling driving experience on the entire market.
Sadly, so many dumb people (like myself) and even reviewers try to drive it after getting out of a TDI or a Supra and then complain it doesn't pull.
Subaru, I understand now. I understand why they forced you to change the BRZ in 2021. Thank you for making it in the first place.
I have a 2014, been autocrossing it for 4 years. Added Koni Shocks, Eibach Springs & Sway Bars, & SPC Alignment Kit (Look up Solo Spec Coupe). 17x8 wheels and a catback exhaust to round it out. Car has been mechanically flawless, still love it. As a daily driver, get some Michelin PSS/PS4S, a catback, & leave the rest alone. Great machine.
So right tho. Company’s aren’t making cool cars really anymore like they use to. We need to appreciate what we have lol
I recently got a 2018 Brz premium...I love this car and honestly stock it's great 😃
You guys won't be "poor" for long. Its only a matter of time till we start seeing videos with the title "BUYING A $700,000 FERRARI AT AGE 24!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I think they're both around 30, but yes otherwise to this comment.
You misspelled Fiero and 54
Dude I'm 25 and still live with parents. Chill.
Admiral Ackbar 32 and prowler
And we KNOW you know how to make those types of videos... 😂ruclips.net/video/nqNkeEztizM/видео.html
I put loads of miles on my turbocharged daily BRZ. This thing is Rock solid and it's been the best car I've ever owned. I still get 30 mpg highway with a turbo!
You nailed this. The pedal position and seating position in my BRZ was so, so, so much better than my STI. As soon as you get into a BRZ, it is immediately apparent that the car was designed from the ground up specifically for the driving experience. The BRZ is more livable as a daily than a Miata IMO.
You had a 240sx?
With that mustatche, you look more like a 300zx kind of guy.
Alexandre Potvin why did this make me laugh so much?
Alex Potvin or a C4 Vette guy (in 2020).
Who the hell gives these guys "thumbs down??" Are you dead inside???
Losers with bent pipes is my guess.
they do have an annoying, cringy vibe tbh. But enough quality content to watch the video so whatever.
I only ever give them thumbs up. My guess is that people may not like how scripted they sound most of the time. It can get pretty annoying especially when they do everything else so well.
We've never scripted anything 🤷🏼♂️
Oh my bad, I guess it's just a different way of speaking that I misinterpreted. Never mind me, keep up the great work gentlemen!
I’ve had mine for about 8 months. Amazing! Winter was so much fun 😂
I personally put Eibach springs, 18x9.5 ( bigger wheels ) headers + muffler delete and a tune and a front lip and my car drags more attention than a corvette and handles like a porsche. This is an amazing platform, i couldnt be happier with my purchase
I saw one of these at the gas station this morning. They look so much better in person than on video. It really stands out and is an attention grabber.
Love this car just got my 2019 Limited, loving everything about it.
I don't know why, but i believe all of your words. Love you guys.
I wish the 86 was exactly like this. The BRZ looks better and has a better interior. The only thing it's missing is the 86 badging and the Toyota logo.
StaticDrift9 i used to agree with this statement but my view now is if its powered my a Subaru then its a Subaru
I bought this exact package and color in April. I love it. A lot.
Edit: If you push and hold the left traction button for 3 seconds it will turn off TCS and ESC. ABS will still be active.
I have a 2013 and love it. 245 17” with Fortune Auto lowering it 3” from the ground. Gold LCA rear from Whiteline. Catless EL Header to cat back Perrin exhaust and tune. Have to have the short shifter kit. OEM audio sound system. Daily driver. The car now has that power I was looking for and the handling.
I went with the Miata because the top went down but the BRZ/86 look like a lot of fun too.
Top go up top go down
Same. I went with a Miata and I have no regrets.
Ditto. Top down drives in my channel ftw!
Headlights go up headlights go down
Hot_Wax
Up down up down
*UPDOWNDUPDOWNUPDOWN*
2013 Subaru BRZ!
Mods:
Perrin Inlet Tube
Drop in K&N Filter
Verus AOS with Drain and Coolant mod
Sprintex(innovate) S5-210 Supercharger + Intercooler
ACT XT Clutch kit w/ OEM TOB
Verus 4130 Clutch Fork + Billet
Futomoto drain valve
OpenFlash Performance Tune
Interior:
2017+ Black shift knob
Slowpoke Plush doll
Exterior:
FT86SpeedFactory UEL Race Header
OEM Overpipe
Motiv Hi-Flo Catted Front Pipe
Invidia N1 Catback
Sparco Assetto Gara Bronze 17" wheels (Also have same set, in 18", and white)
Buddy Club V1 Tail lights
I have a couple fun videos i made on my channel showcasing my car :) I also have a friend who has an 86 who lives in Montreal. I live in Vermont and we always roll together when i visit. If you'd like to borrow any of our cars to review, Let me know!
Setgo Moto total cost?
You guys are almost at 300,000 subs already! Seems like not so long ago I congratulated you on 200k! So happy to see you guys growing so fast. You deserve it!!! So happy you guys got to review an FT-86.
@WalkinOSF Subaru makes both models, under an agreement with Toyota.
Its my dream car that I followed for years leading up to its release. I own an MY15 CWP BRZ (from new) with the heated leather seats option. Mod wise swapped the FD to a Cusco 4.556 (13% faster gears) and a one piece aluminium drive shaft. Added a K&N drop in filter and some Crawford Power blocks that move the entire power band down a few hundred RPM, fatten the low down torque and close the TQ gap by 100rpm.
I added the TRD door stiffeners, STI strut brace, draw stiffener and v-brace. Swapped the suspension to Tein Flex-Z coilovers and added their top of the line EDFC Active Pro damping system that adjusts the damping on each corner on the fly. Dropped the car 2" and set neg 2 deg camber all round.
Tore out the entire audio system including speakers. Replaced with a 7" Pioneer head unit with Apple/Android, Pioneer powered sub in the boot (weighs only 6kg), tiny JBL 4 channel amp under the passenger seat and replaced all the speakers with JBL's including the 3" rear side wall ones with 5.25" units in custom brackets.
I have TOM's clear brake lights, STI fender inserts, STI front fender and rear boot badges and a sprinkling of STI bling parts like the red push start button, gear shifter, Oil Cap, Radiator Cap and Battery Tie down.
Going for forged 17x7.5" BBS wheels, Red manifold, ACE EL headers and a custom tune to finish it all off.
Wildly entertaining to drive and I'll probably keep it forever. Only thing that would make me want another car is BRZ were discontinued. Then I'd buy the final edition and do all the exact same mods to it all over again. No regrets these mods really massaged the performance envelop of this car without breaking spoiling it.
PS: I'm still on stock tires and loving them.
I just bought a 2018 BRZ limited (sports package) and absolutely love it
I've got the BRZ Series.Yellow and absolutely love it! I have the Cosworth exhaust manifold and their stage 1 tune, along with the HKS front pipe, and legamax sport catback. Sounds perfect to me. Also went down the STI catalog with various things like the lip kit, strut tower brace, short shifter, ect. It's a great car to tune for sure.
wow you are almost as fast as mom's honda accord now with your 'tune', good for you.
K.
Seriously how much more hp/torque do you have ?
Cosworth rated their Stage 1.3 for some 30 hp over stock (at the crank). But... I'm just gonna assume is half that and be happy. At least it sounds good to me. But until it has 500 hp, costs
Does the stage one remove the torque dip?
I have been waiting this for so long 😭
I love these guys. They clearly have a great friendship and this comes through every video. Also, I like the playful give and take banter. Keep it up guys. For Canadians, you're cool. (Just bustin' ya). 😋
They fuck from time to time.
I'm glad that you liked the Infotainment, I was one the Test Engineers in manufacturing for that Project at Harman. It's called AM6 and the only real difference with other Suburu infotainments from that period (MY17 onwards) was the screen and buttons. The core componentes were pretty much the same. My personal favorite was this and the capacitive touch buttons based BC7 High, which end up in newer WRX/STi and other cars. I was told that production for AM6 stopped a while ago, which makes sense since BRZ also stopped being manufactured.
Thanks for your comment and work on the infotainment!
I've got an FRS, currently only has an Invidia N1 exhaust on it but so much more to come. Personally not a huge fan of 99% of the wide body kits for these cars, but I do really love that when I go to Auto X, I fit an extra set of wheels/tires, my floor jack, my helmet, ice chest and a little tub for extra goodies plus breaker bar, torque wrench etc. And I can fit another person in my passenger seat. FANTASTIC CAR 👌
I'm between this and the 2019 Miata RF (with sport package) and cannot make a choice. In spain the prices of the two are very similar.
Points for the BRZ:
+Back seats (yeah, I know they are pretty useless, but at least they are there for an emergency or to put some luggage.
+Less body roll
-The car is very dated and will be replaced by the new generation in 2 years, with the supra coming out very soon.
Miata:
+I live in Barcelona (sunny city) and the cabrio thing surely is cool.
+Cheaper insurance, less fuel consumption and easier to park (Parking in barcelona is a problem, and fuel is expensive as hell in spain)
+Interior looks better
-Noisy interior, even with hard top.
-Body roll. Passengers get dizzy.
-The trunk opening is the shit, you cannot even put a small cabin suitcase in there.
In the end this will be a coint toss for me it seems... but I'm still open for suggestions haha.
What about the new 2019 toyota gt 86
I have owned both get the brz man trust me
Miata for sure
Miata is always the answer
People not pleased with it's power. It is a tuner car. Buy the car, slap in a turbo kit off of Amazon, and now you have power.
Only just got out of High School and started working recently, so I'm not really able to afford one of these right now. But I want one so bad.
Keep working man! You'll get there faster than you think.
Progress update?
People always complain about this thing's power. I always tell people that there's an aftermarket. I love this car because it has great basically everything except power, and that's pretty easy to add on. The only thing I wish this has was a 6 cylinder option to get even more power out of it.
It's already been said that the car is too low volume for a higher power option, but IMO it's much easier to add power to a great handling car than try to make a crappy handling car with a big motor handle properly.
That's what I tell everyone. Great everything. Power kinda lacking.
2013 bra sporttech here with openflash stage 2, plus Crawfords bpb
Happy to see you reviewing the new BRZ. I was watching your review of the 2013 blue one over and over again, while I was waiting for my own to be delivered. You guys deliver great content, so happy to see you develop that fast. Owning the car for 5 months and it never gets boring.
“We’re also able to do whatever we want👀” Badass
🤙🏻🤙🏻
This car design is really timeless 👌❤️
If they ever up the horsepower by 20-30 and the Torque up about 60, I’ll consider buying it.
Jakub, a car guy. Has the knowledge and background to explain mechanical aspects and important real world info. LSD, driving position, specs, and details that a car guy would appreciate. Teaches Yuri about cars, humours him and lets him join along.
Yuri, a guy who likes cars. Only thing he offers is rewinding satellite radio...? Interesting seeing the contrast between car guy and average guy who likes cars. Great channel!
Thanks!
Just over a year ago, I was looking into getting my first car and I wanted one of these so badly. Eventually I settled on an nc Miata because that's what I could afford and it was still a similar car. Fast forward a bit of time and I got a better paying job where I appraise cars. After driving and sitting in countless cars (Lexus, BMW, Porsche, etc.) BRZs and 86s still had a special place in my heart. Recently I decided to trade my little Miata for a 2017 BRZ limited and the BRZ is honestly worlds better than Miatas in my opinion. And if anyone says these guys are wrong about them comparing a BRZ to a Porsche, clearly has not driven a Porsche and a BRZ back to back before. They're honestly so similar, it's hard to believe how Caymans are so much more expensive than these. If anyone is wanting to get one of these and you have the means to, I promise you will not be disappointed in the slightest even despite the "low power"
"She also thought this was a Camaro, because she was from Oshawa". Words cannot describe how epic a sentence that was. P.S. I grew up in Whitby so that really hit home!
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I'd love a white Toyota 86. Style it aftermarket-wise like the 2000GT, give it the MR2 TRD 2000GT badges, put fender mirrors on, delete the spoiler, et cetera.
Yes! And put a 2JZ inside!
2014 Scion FRS. TRD Intake, Flowmaster Catback, Tein Street Basis Z coilovers, Vordoven Forme 9 17x9, BFG G Force 245/40/17 all season.
I have the 2017 BRZ and i love my car so much. Wouldnt trade it for any other car in its price range.
Had an FR-S, surprised with how much I loved it, traded it for an Evo X that I eventually traded only due to upside down loans and now, even with a V6, I loathe my fully paid off '08 Altima. I'm still paying off those loans but the car I own is paid for and I still want another FR-S/BRZ/86, an STI or CTR but got no monies lol. Thanks for this awesome review guys!
Yay I have this exact car in World Rally Blue
RaymondLo I also have the RS in WRB! Loving it !!
0:58 jakub you're forgetting about the rear engine rear wheel drive Subaru 360 (the true Porsche on a budget hahaha
Thumbs up for the Miata vs BRZ comparison video
Im watching this because I'm having withdraws from my BRZ tS being in storage during the long Minnesota winters. Great video. Thanks guys
bought a 13 frs back in 2015 for 19k usd with 19k miles. since then I have put on a slew of aftermarket exterior mods, power mods including full exhaust, intake, header, tuned for e85. suspension mods such as kw v3 suspension, adjustable lower control arms and some upgraded winmax w5 brake pads with dba rotors. Learned how to drive on track with this car and have grown as a driver all together. forgot to mention I have 17x9 wheels with 255/40 re71r tires. Couldn't recommend this car more to any other enthusiast for a moddable, new, and modern sports car from a japanese manufacturer for a reasonable price.
My wife bought the outback in 2017 and I was thinking about the BRZ but couldn’t justify 2 wheel drive for my 1.5 winter commute to work. Plus I’d look like the that old guy in a two seater 😀
You dont need 4wd for winter lol, just use Winter tires
I second what totIV's saying, it's the tires that make all the difference. here's a video by Tire Reviews, a tremendously underrated yt channel, ruclips.net/video/STaximkaQxo/видео.html
I would also suggest watching Everyday Driver's video about driving an FRS in the winter, hope that would help :)
Let's be realistic here. The major problem in winter with brz/86 is clearance. Traction comes after. There are some brutal storms here in north east U.S. Driving in summer in NYC in such a low car would still be tough due to absurd potholes, add winter storm on top of that and you're going nowhere.
It makes a difference to drive a 4wd in Winter in Canada. Because of the type of snow we get here it's usually way more than what Americans get. I used to own a Nissan Altima, (2wd, fwd) with snow tires but I often got stuck in the morning before the cleanup crews after some heavy snow. It gets worst when there's ice as there often is. After 2 years, I sold it and bought a 6 cylinder outback never have to suffer in the morning on winter and getting late to work again.
The Outback has been a winter beast!
Creeping up on 300,00 subs, congrats guys. Been following sine about 5,000 subs, I've enjoyed watching the growth of the channel.
Can't undo what you've said. I'll be waiting here for that tandem drifting video to come out... (Love u guys)
You guys are so right this is the tuners car and it's made to be this way you can add as much power as you need you don't need to complain about the horsepower because half of the fun of this car is tuning it
Mods: I have a '15 BRZ Limited and I added a Perrin Gurney flap, FT-86 Speedfactory Catted UEL header, and a OpenFlash Tablet tune for 91 octane gasoline. The flap is just for looks, but the tune and header eliminate the flat spot in the torque curve and add maybe 15 to 20 HP. Driveability is noticeably improved. For Winter I added Continental Winter Contact tires on Enkei Performance M52 (OEM width and diameter). I still have the original Summer tires on the stock wheels and the car does handle better over the Winter.
Didnt reach what u hope for if it's only 20 hp u already spend a lot for that
@@misharialmutairi8816 Au contraire, my friend; it was exactly what I was hoping for and exactly what I got. My BRZ is a daily driver, not a race car, and so I want drivability and reliability. The 15 to 20 HP additional peak horsepower is just that: the HP measured somewhere around 7000 rpm. I'm getting that additional 15-20 HP throughout 75% of the engine's rev range: significant improvements in low and mid range power and torque in addition to the improvement at top end. The torque curve is now virtually flat with about 160 lb-ft from 2500 to 7000 rpm rather than the disappointing up, down, up, down, up down of the stock torque curve that peaks at 151 lb-ft at about 4700 rpm and has that dismal 130 lb-ft valley at 3700 rpm. So, in "normal" driving between 3000 to 4000 rpm I now have 20 to 30 more lb-ft on tap and nearly that much everywhere else on the curve. Drivability in now much better, which does translate to being more fun to drive. The beauty of this is that an additional 10% peak HP isn't going to overstress the OEM engine components or the stock transmission and drive line components.
Yes, in terms of cash spent, this was a lot of cash. But in terms of risk and time, it was cheap. The standard OFT tunes are relatively safe if used as instructed and take less than 5 minutes to install (even less if you get the latest OFT). The catted UEL header was pricey but well engineered, developed, and manufactured and it only cost me the time and labor of a couple of hours on a mechanics lift. Both mods did exactly what they were advertised to do: they added reliable power and driveability with a bolt on header and an OBD2 plug-in. I didn't have to install new injectors, replace valves, rods, or pistons, upgrade the cooling and oiling systems, or make any driveline upgrades to compensate for the increased power. Just look at SAVAGEGEESE video content on his FR-S supercharging project and then ask if he'd ever attempt such a project again. Oh, you don't have to, he already said he'd never try it again. Was he successful? Yes, kind of, but it was way more trouble than it was worth: ruclips.net/video/GT717HBSSNE/видео.html
If I were building a trackday or race vehicle it would cost monetarily ten to twenty times what I spent on my daily driver to make a BRZ track ready plus a few 100's of hours in prep time.
I've spent as much as I care to spend on this project, I'm very satisfied with the result, and I do not believe that attempting to get more power out of a naturally aspirated 2 liter engine would be worth the time, money, or effort unless it was for a trailered race vehicle.
Just subscribed after watching a few of your videos. Great cinematography, funny banter and your enthusiasm shines through. Keep up the great work! 👍
Yuri in early 20th century voice: “MEHH YOU COULD GET THE SPORT TECH RS MEEEHHHH!”
Me: I’m sold.
Damn finally a Chanel that goes right to the numbers right away.
I own a 2013 fr-s with Buddy Club Spec II Catback, Federal Rsrr tires, 17x9 wheels (thicc), K&N air filter, BC Racing suspension and some other aesthetic mods. Best handling car I’ve ever driven and lots of fun on the track when I do autocross.
Great car when I owned it! had the 2013 model :) best car I've owned so far. Started with a 06 sentra SER Spec-V, then the 12 BRZ and now the 17 Focus ST. Miss it every day! Had full header back )Replaced the stock EL header with Tomei EL for the rumble), all light weight pulleys, bigger radiator, intake, stage 2 clutch, and stage 2 OFT tune to take away the dip. Glad you guys reviewed this car!!!
Hey, I used to have an I/H/E 02 Spec V! I used to say if the Spec V was RWD I would keep it forever or if the S15 Silvia was ever sold in the US I would buy it in a heartbeat, then along comes the FR-S that is the same weight as my Spec V and looks largely like the S15 Silvia complete with RWD. One thing I do miss is the insanely wide powerband of the Spec V, the 86 family could benefit from a 2.5L engine with a wider powerband, especially in daily driving.
8:36 "I thought you said it was the BRZeee" ... "Yo man"!! Golden
I just discovered you guys via the /r/FT86 Subreddit and damn was this a good video! Probably the most entertaining and informative 86/BRZ video I've seen. Cheers!
Awesome thanks!
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You guys had me at "life is hard" . SUBSCRIBED!!
I can agree to how the BRZ feels like a mini 911 statement. I personally own a 2014 BRZ and my Dad has a 2015 911 GT3 and a 2004 911 base 6 speed. I drive both the 996 and BRZ frequently and they honestly feel very similar to each other in terms of driving position and handling.
They feel nothing alike. Put the crack away
I might finally pull the trigger on a BRZ now!
Hope y’all see this even though the video is 2 years old
We see it
@@TheStraightPipes UPDATE: switched to an STI! Northern Canada proved to me that I need AWD for winter