2018 Subaru BRZ tS - POV First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- MSRP: From $33,495
Horsepower: 205 hp
Wheel size: 18″ diameter, 7.5″ width
215/40/18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires
Engine: 2.0 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 2,798 lbs
MPG: 21 city / 29 highway
Torque: 156 lb-ft
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I can never get tired of hearing the BRZ’s engine. Despite it just being a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, I don’t mind at all. In fact, I love it. I love the sound, the power, the 6-speed transmission, the interior. Would love to drive a stock BRZ one day, or one that’s lightly modified.
same dude same
drive a turbo and then say what you said again
@@brokentradgedy If I became interested in turbocharged cars, then I’d end up only caring about horsepower. I absolutely do not want to become that kind of car guy. Would rather find joy in actually driving the car and appreciating the car’s driving dynamics. With fast cars the main source of excitement is flooring it and feeling how fast the car accelerates. At that point you don’t care about the driving aspect anymore because the power makes up most of the fun.
@@perrry_ho I was just thinking about this recently. Going fast in a straight line, while incredibly fun and exciting, wears off over time. However, appreciating the dynamics, looks, and functionality of a car has the potential to keep the driver engaged for much longer with satisfaction that doesn't rely on increasing horsepower every month.
@@perrry_ho speech of the year 👏
I'm a long time owner and honestly the car is fine the way it is, it is fun. It gets old listening to people whine about more power. It's not like I bought it blindly....I knew what I was getting. You want something more powerful? There's plenty of options man.
Daniel Bernal You’re Right!! It’s well balanced & sorted as is... a “ drivers car “!!
Totally agree on the power (ex FR-S owner), but even with my less that great driving skills, I used to the torque dip. If they could tune that out (instead of after market fixes), would be perfect out the box. The seats were awesome and the steering/handling was so good.
The question to ask people whining for more is, would you pay more for a more powerful option? I bet the answer is no. The car was meant as a replacement to the ae86, an affordable rear-wheel drive coupe. I do not think they meant for this to be the new supra or mr2.
Totally agree. It really is fine the way it is. Adding something as simple as headers and a tune helps quite a bit more (it's what I did). But everyone loves to play the number game. Not enjoy how it drives or feels, sadly. :/
Frs owner of 2 years. I have an intake and exhaust (soon to get headers and a tune) but I'm begging for more power. Car handles well but it does need more. I knew it was underpowered when I bought it, and since it was first ever manual car I didnt mind it at first. I get the aftermarket support for it but I'm sure Subaru could find a way to gain 20hp and kill the torque dip..
The mismatched shades of red inside are pretty hilarious
ak2112 it looks really cool though
What?! The red is SOOOOO COOL
He even had red shoe laces😅
In 10 years, it will be highly sought after since 80% of these little gems will be destroyed/crashed or just ruined.
Matt Selvy or distastefully modified.. just like all of the 240sx you’d see today
I bought my 2016 FRS 3 years ago, and I've loved every single day with it. This is definitely one of the most fun and most satisfying cars to drive. If you want more power, buy another car or slap a turbo on. I enjoy it stock, and have no issues with the power. This car is not about straight line, it's built for precision. I see mustang and genesis owners envy my car.
Sir, your reviews are excellent in part because you drive the way many of us would drive.
“Ts stands for tuned by STI”
I honestly wouldn’t have known. Its a really dumb naming scheme
I think it's just to distinguish it from being a "full" Sti model
Mik Music - Covers & Originals they should’ve made a full blow STI model then. Or use the STI sport nomenclature
@@zatharos6427 Yeh I agree, the new generation is rumoured to have a turbo with the FA24 tho, do we'll see
sucks that everything was tuned except for the engine😔
This is probably one of my favorite cars of all time. I think that the low power allows you to have more fun on the street and the low weight makes it playful on a track. The driving dynamics and exhaust note are simply amazing. Definitely a car that I am going to own in my future.
I’m in love with my 2020 Subaru BRZ Ts! I even enjoy driving that car more than my 2019 Subaru STI. Could I have gone with a 2020 Miata? Sure however I just loved the exclusivity of the 2020 BRZ model. Honestly the steering and how it handles/feels connected is a dream come true.
About to get my first brz today 🔥
If Mazda gave more power to the Miata without mods to engine bay etc, Subaru/Toyota can do it too.
J Fazzuoli they most certainly can but won't and don't 😡
They gave it 20hp? Aint much. This car is probably gonna be discontinued soon anyways
There is an interview that does mention that subaru originally wantes this to be turbo'ed with AWD. Since toyota funded the project they said no
24 hp + more revs. and this is actually 1tonn car
But the MX5 is still 20 hp less than this..
I owned BRZ 2012. Best car in its price range. No fwd crap can compare to it. Pure driving pleasure. Now i'm driving base Cayman 2009. The only thing it surpasses BRZ is engine. Sound and punch. But driving pleasure is on the same level as on BRZ. Tracked my brz pretty often, much more fun than on my old STI 2005.
I've owned from new the 2015 BRZ and now the STI TS BRZ 2020, I have had WRX'S love them! The BRZ is a great drivers car been a rear wheel drive.
I so agree with your tire discussion on these cars. I’ve put just at 80k mikes on my FRS and have been through A LOT of tires. I have found that it’s pretty easy to over tire the car which does neuter it unless you add more power or are doing track days. I’ve had the most fun on the stock tires or some high quality all season sport tires. Right now I’m running those 595 Rr R (how many R’s?) tires in the stock size; while they are maybe a little too grippy, as they have accrued a few miles and heat cycles they seem to be a pretty nice compromise.
The best version of the BRZ, I won't complain about power, everyone does, I don't have to. I believe 240-50 would be just enough, like the Honda S2000
Used to have an s2k. They're lighter then these. And pretty quick. Faster then stock wrx. The BRZ would need about 270-280 crank hp to be as fast. And a smooth consistant power band like the s2k above 6k rpms. Honda did it 18 years ago. I'm sure subaru can get it in that range N/a
@@Zach_Caviness I just used the S2000 as example for the power, it has 240HP but also high reving and low torque, nice atmospheric engine for a sports car. Since the S2000 isn't sold anymore (sadly) it's not really a competitor of this car
Damn. I thought I was being nice by saying 220 hp.
@@jay_sun2088 Well, would be already better
@@lecoureurdesbois86 the s2000 is about 100 pounds lighter... Not a massive deal but sure
Amazing driving, and great comments and review. Made me want one even more!
You love to hear that turbo diesel delivery truck. As a UPS feeder driver i love a good diesel sound.
I though I was the only one that heard it
The amount of people complaining about power is getting obnoxious, lol. I bet if they stop making the brz/86 and MX5, so many people would be sad and some people would even be willing to pay double the current price for a pure driving experience like the BRZ.
People don't understand there are different cars, lol, hell go make love with your Mustangs. Just leave these rare sports cars alone.
If they put 300hp in one of these I’d run to the dealership right now .
The price would literally go up 30%, it’s not a good business move
Get a supercharger and you got 300hp :)
Get a supercharger for like 4300$ and you got 300whp
Daniel Fischer that’s a rip off. You can buy a 08 n54 for that much a have more than 300 stock...
yes sir n54’s are a blast but you lose a lot of reliability and overall money
I like how he reversed out of the spot even tho he had a wide open front
i notice in every video he's always in a empty parking lot and decides to reverse lol
He does it for review purposes. reverse cam, etc. its not completely pointless lol
The comments for these cars (BRZ/FRS/GT86) always kill me...criticism from people who have never driven one. They’re truly one of the very best cars you can buy, especially at this price point. They’re perfect. Of course more power is always nice, but honestly, if these cars had a true 250HP to the wheels they would be unbeatable. As they are now, it’s very difficult to complain about after you actually put some time behind the wheel.
As much as i love my 2013, i wouldn't mind owning one of these newer models.
9:47: "This is your car"
That hit different.
Great video, this gets me excited about getting one eventually.
People care about HP. I care about the looks and sound.
Can buy a older version and turbo it and it’ll still be cheaper.
Wet Tony Ikr i found a 2015 for 14000 with 60k miles close to me
I got a 2013 frs for 12k in amazing condition....
@@nick9602 nice
@@nick9602 but are the tire size the same?
33.5k for a BRZ, or 37.5k for a V8 Camaro. less than 30k for a Veloster N. Miata Mx-5 starts at 25k. Yea this release was a joke.
i'll take the Veloster N out of that bunch for under 30k
It's not like you can compare a BRZ with a V8 muscle car... completely different cars
@@buckeyeburl0162 why are you insulting me? Grow up
I got my brz ts for 31k ig @ _jessefung
Christophe Germain grow up fruitcake
With that camera distortion, the car somehow looks like a squished GT-R
Your downshift very impressive 👍🏻Rev match perfect
Auto rev match 🕵️♂️
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
your voice is soothing
Got to love the Michigan potholes!
Careful with the power! It’s actually really fast
Lol
Hey you live in michigan! I live in this area and it's actually really cool to see someone driving around where I drive daily.
My dream car ❤
Nice review mate 👌
Do you double clutch or just rev match? You do awesome downshifts, regardless of vehicle.
Volvocloud this car has auto revmatching.
damn that's cool, i wish my wrx had that lmao @@studious1-j2m
@@lytheus69 Don't listen to him, the manual version of this car most definitely DOES NOT have auto revmatching. It is a purist car with the least amount of driving aids possible, TC and ABS notwithstanding. The automatic version does have auto revmatching for obvious reasons. Also, there are manual 86s and BRZs with auto revmatching but these are with custom Ecutek tunes, not factory.
@@studious1-j2m No it doesn't lol
Really interested to see this review i'd consider an 86 one day.
aye man I did too and once the time rolled around I picked up a brz. basically the same car, but I may consider putting an 86 livery on it xD The body is toyotas and the engine is brz ;) Fuji Heavy for the win
@@treerexaudi awesome man hope you enjoy it :)
Thanks man and I will! :D @@adampatterson4857
Red intake manifold looks cool though
At this price point you’d have to be a hardcore fanboy to dish out this kind of cash.
You’re at Civic Type R range and it’ll mutter this in every way.
Sonic_1000 CTR can't do a skid.
@@abracing199 Lol. Neither can this with sticky tires and 150 whp
Just don't buy it then?
Also CTR still can't be had for sticker so in theory same price but in real life no.
abracing199 I was about to get a Type R, for sticker. 33k plus fees and tax.
Good review. Although I much prefer the look of my 86 TRD Special Edition.
LOOKS Amazing, but still only 205hp?
I have a 2014 BRZ and it’s my most favorite car i’ve ever owned. There are rumor that’s Subaru might put the 2.4L naturally aspirated from the outback into the BRZ for 2020
Alex LaFreniere the BRZ with the 2.5L with an 8000 rpm redline and 270 hp naturally aspirated would do this car justice.
I just got a brz :3
Time for I/h/e and some stickier rubber! Have fun man
;) @@Flowermouth
Welcome!
thanks c: @@michaelw2263
Lucky bastard. 👍👏👏
I really can’t get past the steering wheel not having a flat bottom. Sure you can upgrade however if it’s tuned by STi why not have more STi interior aspects as well? Sounds good for what it is, wonder how it stacks up to a base WRX model though?
11:12 that guy going 32 mph in the on-ramp and you wanting to go twice that speed haha.
Me everyday
Seriously considering a BRZ next year. my daily is an 07 civic hybrid and I also have a 79 camaro z28, but its got the 3 speed auto and a lower revving 350. Its still fun to drive and cruise in, but i really would like a 6 speed thats light and that i can really drive. Any BRZ/86 owners that have had theirs for more than three years and still enjoy it? The only thing Im worried about is the lack of power. I doubt ill be going to any tracks in the car.
If I were to buy this type of car I’d just get an older model. Not the first release, but the second year and put a turbo. Honestly, that’s all it’s missing. My take on it is that if Subaru or Toyota does it, then the sales on the wrx sti is going to plummet. Imagine a turbo 300hp BRZ. Rear wheel drive. That would get sales from any age group, mostly from the 18-25 group.
FYI, these are Pilot Sport 4 tires. Not 4S.
They have a turboed brz in Japan don't know if we're going to get it anytime soon but I love how the tachometer is front and center
Those wheels and skirts on this look HOT! 😍 ... now if I could only get a wing delete, it'd be just about perfect.
2800 pounds, don't need 300, especially at the wheel. But 200 is not enough. A boxer 4 with a little supercharger getting it to about 250-260 would be ideal. Then I'd pay 40. But not 33 in it's current state
Base brz in canada is 29k CAD... So like 25k USD? Brz is decently equipped if you want to daily it (17+ models are great
When you opened the hood, I couldn’t help notice the “ chatter “ of the engine... Valve issues?
Direct injection
they do that
Boxer engines are 'ticky' the car is brand new lol
Isn't that just injector ticking 😕
Google fa20 crickets...its a thing lol Mine sounded the same.
Great driving 👍🏽
That turbo spool from that truck tho 0:48
So beautiful
I was going to get a Ts but went with the limited with the performance package cause the car just looks better with those fog lights. I am sad the new BRZ got rid of them.
Hopefully can afford 1st gen with fairly low km's sometime next year😓🙋
Sick of people saying 'but the brz is quicker on the track' how many people actually take there car on the track? And if you do, then how much time do you spend there as opposed to an actual road? Straight line speed is more fun for everyday use. The BRZ is a great car yes, but its way overpriced for what it is
If you don't live in germany straight line speed is completely useless for everyday use, this is just like 300cc bikes, you can rev the shit out of it all the time and have fun.
@@mangekyou9045 I live in Aus in a suburban area where I can't go over 60 or 100km/h. But when there is no one on the road I certainly get more of a kick out of accelerating up to 100km/h than I do being able to go around a corner slightly quicker
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I don’t understand why they don’t at least put in the boxer six they have in the newer legacy’s. That seems like it should be a given for a coupe.
Imagine this with 300 hp
Edit: I’d buy if it had 300+ hp
then get a wrx simple
@@notname3790 lol ones built for track handling, other for rally. hmmmm
@@christopherrogers8316 welllll u got me
used one for 22k with somewhat low mileage, slap a SBD kit and youre good to go. It just wont be reliable lol
No. That'll interfere with their Wrx line up. You want power add it yourself. Or get the STI.
Your near fisheye lenses makes it look like an Audi TT. Engine under hood sounds like a small steam engine.
I cannot believe this isn't turbocharged as standard.
No. This car shouldn't be ruined like that. There are other turbo cars for you to choose from.
Hate the bolt on spoiler otherwise it’s beautiful
I thought that FedEX truck at the start of the video was a diesel VW lmao. I was wrong..
That engine sounds thought!!!!!
Hot Take: they'll never make a true 300hp brz sti because it'll outsell and outperform the WRX sti
Mohamed Hussein why would they not want a car that sold well? that makes no sense.
@@abracing199 It's because they don't want to eliminate the market for another model. Porsche does the same if they gave the cayman more power it would be better than the 911
Well yeah, the BRZ is lighter, has the RWD setup going for it, and let's face it, the newer WRX's STI's look pretty average until you go nuts with options for appearance. And I'm kind of a fanboy...
But still, yeah, the BRZ would smoke the WRX in sales if they both put out 300hp
Another car in desparate need of a redesign
The WRX STI is pretty much due for a revision. If they push the new WRX STI to 350hp, the BRZ/86 might see 250-270hp
good LORD that DI is loud. it sounds like NA miata lifter tick.
Pulling from 50 in third gear isn't what people are asking for in overtaking. Its from 60 in 6th or even 5th that its just got no guts and the torque hole is killing it. You NEED to change down gears to 4th to pass anyone on a hwy.
I mean who gives a 20ft+ torque hole, just above cruising revs, to a car with very little torque already!
I'm guessing it's not extremely popular because it really isn't significant. The BRZ/FRS/86 was an interesting car back then, but right now it's lacking interest. I wish Toyota would blow us away by announcing a redesign of the car with a V6 or a 2.5T engine making at least 300bhp/310 torque. That isn't even a lot for a sports car, but I strongly believe it will at least have people talking about it again!
... You/we probably won't see much development on the 86/brz as Toyota has announced plans for a 4cyl (turbo) 5th gen supra; which is still 2-3 years away, but w/that announcement, this chassis/model was doomed to languish w/minimal development, just like what Nissan did on the 370z. We might be lucky to see a new (not mid-cycle refresh) 86/brz in 2-3 years (8 yr cycle) but that is only if it is given a chance to have a 2nd gen. Even the greatest cars are killed by poor sales.
It's never going to happen. Ever. Idk why people keep whining about a 300hp car or some shit like that. IF they even bothered to, people would complain about the price. I guarantee the price would skyrocket to 40-45k easily. Then you'd hear the same people say something like what you're doing and whine that it's too expensive. And that they could buy a used Porsche, or an Alfa 4C or whatever at the price point.
@@mr.wiggles7535 true shit
I am in absolute love with the Subaru BRZ. But no way in hell is this worth almost 34k...
The Rev hang, holy crap
ill stick with my 2013 frs
As much as I like this car I think there is more value in the hyundai veloster N Turbo since is cost practically the same, it makes over 257hp vs the 205hp of this car and dealerships are not marking it up like they did with the honda type r. Plus it's got a hatch to fit all my university stuff in so..
Just buy a type R with that money or just a reg BRZ. $33k is insane. No increase in hp. Hell I would take 220 hp. But to keep it 205 hp and mark up the price is insane. The interior looks great tho.
Its usually suspension/braking upgrades most people would do themselves anyways. If we want another model we want it to either have more juicy or a better drivetrain
Out of the 500 that were made, more blue colored cars were made than black and white (not combined) and all you see on RUclips are the white ones when you just search Subaru BRZ Ts
A supercharger is all it needs to be one the most fun cars ever
Are you going to review new tS vs old tS
I have a BRZ Yellow, is the Ts Package basically the same thing? My spoiler is a bit differen't...and of course the car is Yellow and black, but has the brembos, upgraded suspenison, and the damps. IT's a 2017, but the concept of an upgraded suspension on a BRZ is kind of like...Really?
The TS package is basically the performance of a stock STI embedded into the last gen Brz’s, the spoiler and the body kit as well resembles a wrx sti made from 2015-21, I wish they made more of the brz ts in my opinion
Is it me or the rev tachometer is a bit lagging when he's pressing the gas a little harder
It’s just slow
You live in Michigan? I know exactly where this is. I’m just outside of Detroit! That’s so cool what a small world
But for real why haven’t they slapped a turbo in it
4:05No.. they wouldn't. Just turbo it. In fact, the set-up already exists. The reason it doesn't come turbo'd is because it would cannibalize WRX sales. Plain and simple. Quit trying to act like you know exactly what it would take to give it more power like everyone watching this is just stupid or mechanically challenged. The fact that ppl are already getting good numbers from turbo/supercharger set-ups proves that it can be done with ease. Will the price go up? Well of course. But not to where it would make it unattainable. I like this car. Have no problem with how it comes from factory. Ppl just have to go into purchasing knowing it comes as a BALANCED package. Just enough for fun in the twisties and to get to work and back. If you want more power, quit whining and just do it or pay to get it done.
How much faster will it really get with an Turbo
this is so nice
its supposed to sound like that?? sounds like a engine knock almost
This car is the most perfect sport car that is also cheap
My Dream vehicle :o
Wrong, the "tS" stands for "too Slow"
Haha as a BRZ owner this was a good one.
Reminds me of the del slow
Honestly, Subaru should just slap the sti engine in there
Why they didn't put 2.5 sti engine into this car?
the 2.5 na, depending on which 2.5, has some really annoying piston slap because of the shorter skirts on the pistons. my na 11 impreza has the most annoying piston slap. Which in the end puts so much wear in the piston rings even when subaru keeps saying the engine is fine. along with the oil consumption problems with some of the 2.5's. be happy its not the 2.5
the way he caresses the start button lmao
How does it drift stock?
People complain about “oh it needs a turbo” but then would complain if the price increased due to a turbo. Half the ppl complaining about power are too broke to even afford a new one straight forward anyway lol
Amen.
the TRD or the tS?? hmmm
@TheTopher 2017+ BRZ or Used 2014+ Lexus IS350 F-Sport? Is the IS350 worth the extra practicality and livability vs the BRZ? I've been debating between the two for a while and are curious to know your thoughts..
Ben Nalon more power on the is350, but the steering feel will be completely different and driving dynamics completely different. it’ll be a lot more numb compared to the BRZ :) but i will say the f sport is350s have beautiful interiors so it’s whether you care about that raw driving experience or more power and comfortableness
@@vincentxtran Are the is350's (f sport only) driving dynamics comparable to the BRZ's at all?
@@xXNotreDameLaXx honestly you have to test drive them to really get a feel, descriptions from another person will never be enough. from my experience, driving an is350 f sport was just more comfortable since the interior was nicer, but the steering was not as nearly as direct as a BRZ/FRS. also a BRZ/FRS will be a lot bumpier and harsher ride, and much more rev-happy while an is350 wont rev very high unless you're in the "manual" mode (controlling revs on an automatic)
Wow that thing sounds super ticky
This is way quicker on the track then the miata
Is the car stock?
Sounds like my 1.6 L civic starting up lol
Famus 801 hell naw it does not quit lying my guy 😂
StatiicMods yes it does its stock asf can’t hear shit
No it does not , i own a honda at the moment. & this one it’s a bit louder then the Honda
StatiicMods well I have an exhaust on my mine sounds exactly the same
Why would you rev a car then turn it off?
I cringed at that too. I guess as a cool introduction but still.
What the HECK is that wing?? loool
BRZs worrying about downforce are the funniest cars ever.
Love BRZs but this package is just stupid, I'm sorry. It's tacky, doesn't improve on strenghts nor addresses any of it's weaknesses. Even the tacho and digital speedo are harder to see now.
But it looks cool af and really that what I think he was going for
Wtf are you talking about dude? A BRZ can easily reach speeds where the rear end will become "floaty" requiring some downforce.
The new cluster is way better than the orange they used to have. I feel like it would’ve bothered me at night. But either way, it’s still a fantastic car and the Ts basically is a more “serious” driving car. Meaning that it’s not silly and wants to step it’s ass out often
Why put 18" wheels on it, it barely has 160 whp as is...
To fit the brembos