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Zoella or EA?! If you had to spend money on one, what would it be? 😂😂😂
Philip DeFranco screw them both
EA
Philip DeFranco neither.
Philip DeFranco Ea so i can get lootboxes that fund great games like star wars battlefront 2015
Neither. Both are hot garbage.
Looking at the IGN guy's stuff as well as her claims, as a guy who's generally the one people go to so they can vent and such, I'd hate to have a co-worker like her. If what he's claiming is true, of course, then she basically just used him as a tool and when he tried to actually be, you know, a human who felt like he was close enough to her because of their talks that he could try to make an advancement (and not even anything really sexual either, even she's not claiming that he felt her up or anything), she starts making claims on him? That's fucked up. If you don't want to be anything more with someone, just be honest about it with them, don't get management involved unless it's actually a serious problem, but from even what she's claiming, that doesn't sound like a serious problem.
Amen. I feel way worse for this guy than I do for her. Kinda reminds me of shirtgate all over again.
Can't spell steal without EA
Can't spell meal without EA, i don't know what it means tho
Another word you can't spell without EA is cheat.
The Ace Of Spades Nothing new, EA always done this. FIFA, you could buy in game currency and then buy packs to get better players.
Plunder.
Loot.
I dunno. The Zoella thing rubs me the wrong way. That so much money for a couple cheap things with her name on it
EmzaO she just said something about it, the prices aren't up to her its up to the retailer selling her stuff
people can charge what ever they want especially for a brand, a picture of a guy on a horse (ralph laruen) stiched onto the corner of a shirt goes for way over priced then it should. Also Zoe had no control of the price.
The fact that it doesn't tell you what you're getting is what's bullshit about it.
lafxcraft- It does, at Boots.com. By the way, Zoella or someone else said "there's a sucker borne every minute". Oh, right P.T. Barnum said it.
Vanessa V -- that isn't an excuse though. She and the people that help manger her business dealings should have made sure that they have input or veto power as it relates to pricing, as well as other controls, and if they didn't get certain controls that would help ensure quality and satisfaction with the product and/or promotion, then they shouldn't have done the deal to begin with. Claiming you don't have control or claiming ignorance is not an excuse -- she should have known and she should have had more control over the promotion.
This hopefully is a learning lesson to her, and it may also be a wake-up call that she may also need to get different people around her to help manage her business dealings, because this one was a clear failure. I would never give my name/brand over to any promotion without knowing every intricate detail of it, and neither should anyone else. If you do, you deserve some blame (and should humbly accept the blame as well) if there is understandable backlash due to the customer being shortchanged in some way.
you forgot to mention that EA removed their refund system once people started refunding and cancelling their pre-order.
Honestly, this is the worst part of the whole thing. How can you even get so scummy?
Wait, isn't there customer protection against not being able to refund for something you haven't got yet? Shouldn't that apply to pre-orders?
To be clear, they removed the refund button on their page. You can still call them up and get a refund. Takes a lot longer and is bad on their part
So they made it harder wow.
If you understood how the EA page works, the refund button only shows up on the actual release date of the game, meaning if you want to return it wait till the 17th
An aspect of all these sexual assault stories that no one is talking about is how the new platform for announcing them has become social media. I'm not sure how to feel about this. One the one hand, it obviously gets the word out quickly and forces the issue to be dealt with in a way that a quiet police report rarely does. On the other, it makes the accusation - and the accompanying stigma around the accused - immediately public. So while I'm happy that so many victims are seeing some action being taken, I'm concerned about how much this feels like we're creeping toward Salem-style public accusations that create a de-facto guilty-until-proven-innocent atmosphere.
Jake Bowen the solution is to go to the police or sue them. Done simple then after that has proven the person guilty then you can go to social media.
EXACTLY. That's why, as bad as this sounds, we have to assume these women are lying from the get-go. Because any ex-girlfriend who carries a grudge can do a lot of damage by simply making the allegation. If we assume she's lying, then that doesn't happen. If she's not lying, great, dude gets punished and we're all good. If she is, also great, she gets tried for defamation. Problem solved.
I agree, when something becomes a trend there is the possibility of people making false accusations for attention as we have seen in the past for false hate crimes. It is sad but true. For the first story, I am kinda leery of the sexual harassment, especially since there was a lot of personal text between the two people. Male and female friends can sometimes make sexual jokes between one another and sometimes one person can take it too far that makes the other person uncomfortable without knowing. I'm not saying he's not guilty but I can see a possible misunderstanding in this situation that made the company say it was both parties fault for not staying professional at work.
Fair points, but I think this trend is a result of how ineffective the standard route often is. Look at all the women who watched Bill Cosby go untouched for decades. In principal, I think this social media accusation trend is wrong, but I still recognize the reality that the alternative is often fruitless for victims.
And all that said, this IGN one sounds fishy. I don't doubt she felt the way she felt, but his behavior doesn't sound beyond the pale to me, either. Man, this stuff is rough to sort out.
I completely agree with you there, but I’ve noticed that in a lot of these cases the victims actually did go to authorities, be it HR or the police, before making it public. When going to authorities didn’t work, they sort of gave up on getting justice until now, when social media has given them a safer/more effective way to get their voices heard. Doesn’t change the public crucifixion of alleged attackers without trial, though. Since it takes so long before these cases actually come to court and go on trial, the public has gotten used to deciding on their own, which is potentially dangerous. And social media makes it easier than ever to spread and find information related to the case, making people feel that they’re opinion is justified even if they are working with limited information/evidence.
As for the sexual harassment claims, I personally find it hard to believe what he did was sexual harassment. I also find it odd that when he asked what he did wrong BOTH women refused to tell him in what way he made them feel uncomfortable. How can you expect someone to do better if you never express what they did wrong... just my thoughts.
Tyler Channell exactly! It would be like shouting at a puppy for pissing on the rug 3 days later. If they don’t know what you want them to stop doing they’re obviously going to keep repeating the same mistakes.
Exactly!!
That ....... is exactly how I was thinking about the story. But IGN pussied out and apologized anyway.
I kinda feel like we're going to be seeing a lot of this for awhile. Also I kinda don't blame them for trying to protect their brand, with this # boycott everything culture we have in 2017.
Exactly! I believe Plagge when she says she FELT harassed, but I also believe she never showed any signs of feeling this way to Ingenito himself. Because for some reason, people tend to act like everything is fine and then go behind each others backs.
What I don't get it she put fucking confetti in it like wtf how can she be proud of it 😂
It seems that the female ign employee over exaggerated the situation. She may have felt uncomfortable with what her fellow coworker said which is not okay but the guy apologized for it as soon as he found out he may have been in the wrong. She made it out like she was sexually assaulted and no one cared about what may have happened to her. I find females that lie or over exaggerate about things of a sexual or flirty nature happen to them are absolutely horrible people. You make it even harder for the people who actually go through severe cases to want to come forward or believed by others... certain females love to abuse the privilege they have as being a woman yet in the same breath claim they don't have the same rights as men.
Agreed, mate.
As a survivor of sexual abuse, I am also sick of public accusations. I understand that the sense of solidarity can provide someone with the strength to face their own situation, but it is teaching people to handle it in a way that can cause more harm than good.
I was 12-14 during my abuse. I had a mother who took charge and handled things through the legal system. I had to sit in front of a judge and jury and explain in painful detail the things that were done to me, that I was groomed to do. I was in therapy and support groups to help me understand what happened and guide me on a path of healing. I was instilled with strength I didn't know I was capable of because of my mother and all of the people who had dedicated their lives to helping people just like me.
I used to dream about writing an autobiography, because life handed me dozens of lemons but no sugar to make the lemonade sweet. Blow after blow, trauma after trauma, for a decade of my life - I was somehow still going, still smiling, still strong... and I thought my story might help people. And hey, if it sold, maybe I wouldn't have to worry about money anymore.
But how could I possibly do that to his daughters? His little girls, who had never done anything wrong in their short lives. They didn't need to grow up with the world looking at them as daughters of a pedophile. His parents didn't deserve that shame. His wife. My mother. My brother. The people who shared our names. The collateral damage was shared amongst too many people as it was, and the man responsible was sentenced and jailed and no longer a risk to the public. He will always be on the registry for his offenses, he will never be allowed to go unnoticed thanks to the systems in place.
The rest of us deserve to live our lives in peace without leaving that kind of public mark because we are MORE than what that man chose to do.
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I don't feel like the IGN story was sexual harassment at all. I feel like the guy definitely did not mean to offend her in any way. I, again, don't think this was sexual harassment at all.
Dude your comment made me fell quite happy. Those to lines 'was sexual harassment at all" line up perfectly...
WELL DONE
Nah, if it was unwanted attention, it was... but like the lowest form of it. Don't get me wrong, that's still not right, but when the conversation is rape, sexual assault and industry wide cover ups, it's not really the time to dilute that conversation and start talking about flirting in the workplace just because the guy works for a rival media company
Fckn confetti.. oh come on. LOL I could easily buy all of that stuff from the Dollar Store and it would be the same quality as that shit.
Real talk. Seems like shes just trying to cash in on her popularity.
The Zoella debacle is exactly why I look at unboxings and videos on RUclips before I buy anything so I know *exactly* what I'm getting. lol
ɪᴍᴀɢɪɴᴀʀʏꜰᴀɴʙoʏ so true,before I buy anything I watch at least a couple videos to confirm that it's worth getting
The diabetes comment made my day! :)
Good plan.
Just as a side note, man the way youtube has changed my life - I totally do the same. Like even buying a new phone this year. I know it's basically going to be the same as every other smartphone I've bought in the last 6 years, but still sooner check it out on YT than get harassed by an 18 year old on commission checking it out in a phone store.
Similarly I don't think I've had to buy a technical book or pay for a handyman/repair for anything other than a car service in about 5 years lol. Thank you rando's of youtube!
Me too. These advent calendars remind me of all these videos of eBay mystery boxes lol. But all of her items look like dollar store/target dollar store cheapy items.
Wait... WHAT?!? With that IGN story it just seems some guy being flirty, a girl getting uncomfortable, reporting him, then him backing off. This is a straight forward story, the man should not be fired nor should he face legal charges. Lumping this in with the actual sexual assaults happening in Hollywood is ludicrous.
It's less about how he handled it and more about how the company handled it. She brought up she was unconfortable. He was her boss. If my boss flirted with me Id be pretty uncomfortable too. Everyone has the right to feel comfortable at work. The fact that the company came back and put the blame on her was wrong. Saying if she wasn't a women with big boobs this wouldn't be a problem.
toddydog3 he wasn't her boss. You don't have a right to be comfortable at work.
BUT SHE'S ANXIOUS NOW... NOW THAT POOR THING HAS TO EAT DOUBLE OF HER USUAL DOSE OF BENZOS
Oh, you don't ? Because you do. That's why harassment is forbidden.
People aren't saying he should. The story is more about IGN's handling not the guy.
On the topic of the IGN story.. I feel like Vincent is the victim here... Somehow during all this, the lines between dirty jokes and sexual assault got blurred. The dude told a few dirty jokes.. Was it inappropriate? Probably... Is it worth this much backlash? Fuck no.
Defranco advent calendar out next year?
Containing 12 pencils all with the name 'Philip' on them at a cost of 100 pounds
Dauntless I'd buy it
The pencils can have the background pillow pattern. Lol
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Oh snap. Yes. This needs to happen
I feel like if she is the person speaking out about it. Then she should release all the messages and encounters with the accused. It just doesn't seem fair that the accused has to back his own back and as showed by Phil that he clearly didn't want bad stuff to happen. To me it seems like she is just trying to create drama for the sake of it because she hasn't really backed her statements up with texts messages which could clearly rule out if it was both parties fault or just a one sided thing
Just saying that EA's comment the most downvoted comment in history doesn't quite do it justice. The second most downvoted comment in history is only -24k. This is a HUGE difference
Sounds fishy to me.
AND the 2nd most downvoted comment literally asked to be downvoted
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You just won
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What? That doesn't seem like sexual harassment, that sounds like a young girl having anxiety and reacting defensively. Bad communication and such.
I don't get it either...
I used to be barista at Starbucks and had this customer come in quite often. He was middle aged (I was 21 when this happened), married, a teacher, and had a kid I think. It started out really harmless and then he started doing weird things like asking me if my car was the blue one parked outside, gave me a copy of a book he had written with all his social media accounts written on a post it on the inside cover, asking me if I had read it endlessly, found out I was pregnant and got my baby gifts (we barely knew each other and I hadn't told him--he had overheard other employees talking about it), started messaging me on facebook quite often then when I wouldn't respond would come into the shop and ask me, (etc etc etc) to the point where I blocked him because I was starting to get weirded out. I didn't want to deal with it anymore in case it developed into something creepier. My fiance was pissed when I told him and agreed these were creepy things for someone to do when they barely knew you. A few weeks later this guy apologized to me for making me uncomfortable (a co-worker had explained to him why I was suddenly trying desperately to ignore him). I accepted his apology and he never bothered me again.
I would never in a million years try to get this guy fired or ruin his life becasue he made me feel uncomfortable though. There's a huge difference between someone raping you or touching you/explicitly talking to you sexually VS someone being a bit creepy and making you feel uncomfortable. It bothers me that a lot of these allegations are just coming out now. LADIES, if a guy sexual harasses you or rapes you SAY SOMETHING. Report it immediately. Get him in a situation where it can be proven, whether it's in a room where there's a video camera or something. There needs to be proof. That sucks for real victims out there, but you can't expect everyone to believe you "just because well I'm a woman and well that should be enough." Women lie allllllll the time. And these matters have to be taken just as seriously as any other crime, which means there MUST be evidence.
Exactly. I had a civil disagreement with one of my friends over this and my point was you wouldn't expect everyone just to believe the victim coming forth saying "this person murdered my dad" or something like that. Everyone would look to that person and ask for proof, evidence. Rape is hard because the evidence is only there for a short amount of time. And that's what makes it so harmful. But I feel if we put more effort into teaching girls (and boys too!) what to do if something like this happens to them, that they should go to the hospital straight away after, then things could improve. An allegation isn't enough. Which is unfortunate, but just because someone claims they were raped doesn't mean it's true. Especially now adays where we have people accusing others just to ruin their lives/careers.
I've definitely creeped girls out before, and frankly it was because I just want to be liked by beautiful women. Not all of them of course, that's ridiculous. But I can't help it sometimes. I just want to be liked. And if a girl who looks like Kallie (like at 0:54) shared personal info with me regularly, it would really give me sense of worth. And I know I'm not supposed to hold other's opinion of me as my personal view of my own worth, but I get worn down sometimes and I'm just like "Dang, I wish I had someone like that," who doesn't really think much of me. "Oh, I view you as a 'mentor'." Yeah, "thanks." And to but blunt and rude (sorry to him), a guy like Vincent Probably hasn't had hardly any attention from women at all. Although, I have no clue, really. Sometimes I'll see some girl on the internet or TV or something and go "Wow, she so beautiful..." and imagine what it'd be to talk to her about things I think about sometimes. Similar to how Vincent told Kallie that "Men don't like skinny girls. You're perfect" and she would appreciate that. But I know that's weird and simply will never happen. But it still makes me said. But that's how it is. Sorry this was weird/creepy, but I was a bursting bubble just wanting to get this out.
@James Russell: There's a difference between using lame chat up lines / bad flirting and sexual harassment. That girl just needs to learn the damn difference. (I say this as a woman). So please don't worry about telling someone they're pretty or whatever, just try and pick up on social cues to be sure you're not making someone uncomfortable. If you think you might be, back off. It's straight forward.
I agree with you. I've always had trouble with people. I partly boil it down to my parents not having social skills, and therefore can't teach me something that that they don''t know themselves. But step by step, am I right?
I understand this comment is 2 months old but I'm just coming upon it now and I have to say it's a bit brilliant. I'm not a feminist but as a leftist I'm sympathetic to feminism (or any ideology advocating for oppressed minorities). And I'm more than happy men like Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and Bill Cosby are being justly crucified. But the last month or so I've personally become very uncomfortable with how closely the MeToo-Movement is inching towards "Salem Witch Trial"-territory. This IGN-story is a fine example. Clearly the dude-in-question is a creepazoid who needs to work on his boundaries (not unlike your creepy baby-present-buying coffee-customer). But shutting the whole joint down and not working because HR wouldn't go ahead with axing him (or whatever they would've preferred) is, frankly, disturbing. I actually give a shit about the MeToo-Movement, a just movement, and would rather not see it brought down by a precipitous loss of credibility. I remain hopeful but wary.
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Still wouldn't be worth it
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That woman at IGN has not provided any evidence.
The man Has provided evidence.
The man seems sincere in his description.
If anything he is insecure and has trouble reading people
If anything that woman is manipulative, and it backfired on her when he misinterpreted her confusing signals.
If anything the woman is unable to be candid.
Like hell as if she deserves an apology.
That man deserves an apology, from her.
Ok... as a woman, I feel obligated to defend other women, but a PERSON SHE TALKS TO EVERY DAY AT WORK TOUCHED HER ARM AND TOLD HER SHE HAD A NICE FIGURE. Come on! The dude thought she was into him too and flirted a bit, she wasn't, he backed off. He's not some ''blow me or you're fired' monster, obviously.
She's making actual sexual assault cases be taken less seriously.
Yes, its tragicomical.
Fake fake fake Lina.
something drives this frivolity... unscrupulous attorneys, perhaps.
As a human being, I feel obligated to defend other human beings, regardless of gender; and this includes people accused without evidence.
TiagoTiago Agreed! Does not matter if you are a girl, boy or man, woman.
I feel obligated to defend any human being, not just "Women".
EA is about to be under more fire if my Sims 3 game crashes again..
Is there something wrong with it? Mine keeps doing that too for weeks crashing randomly within 10min so I thought it's my PC
KesumaofEO Mine was doing the same thing for a few days. I uninstalled and reinstalled everything and it was still crashing. Apparently one issue was that NRaas updated their mods recently (my mods were working fine without updating until this issue occurred), the game stopped identifying my graphics card so I had to tweak Graphics Rules and something else.. A .dll file disappeared, and some cc randomly corrupted. It still crashes when I try to save the game sometimes, but I think it's because I leave the game open for hours before.
Shitaria Jackson my pc caight fire trying to run sims 3. Its an old potato
Shitaria Jackson try cleaning cache files
Y'know I'm usually on the victim's side because they usually are exactly that, a victim. This sexual harassment case sounds more like a communication problem. I definitely want to see more from this so I can get a better idea of the story here. The previous sexual harassment cases showed a distinct lack of respect from the men for the women involved, as well as an abuse of power.
In this situation, it seems like she didn't know how to tell him she felt uncomfortable. He had to find out from other people. Regardless of gender or age, people can make you uncomfortable. It's up to you to tell them that. Whether or not they respect that is the gauge of their character. Some of the comments he made were a little creepy I suppose, but he seemed to think they were close friends. I don't think those comments made towards a close friend would be creepy at all. I need to do more research but it doesn't really seem like he's in the wrong here.
Nevertheless, the way IGN handled it was definitely not great. Saying that it was her fault and she tempted him with her breasts is really juvenile and not an okay way to handle that. Unless she was draping herself over his desk with her tits out like Jessica Rabbit or flashing him in the break room, I don't wanna hear that.
I'm curious to see how this pans out but overall it seems like it's the company (IGN) that owes Kallie an apology, not Vince.
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Agreed the whole thing was mishandled.
Hell, just sitting down with management present to discuss feelings and poor communications would have probably been enough here. She felt like he was pressuring her, when he clearly felt they had a personal relationship on some level. BUT neither woman made their feelings clear enough. So both parties are guilty of not setting clear boundaries. Had she made a clear demand like stop texting me, stop talking to me, whatever... then it would be a clearer situation overall. I having a sinking suspicion this is the "I want to be nice to everyone (overly so because I'm scared of upsetting anyone) girl," so when she really doesn't like him, she's making no indication of that to him. So he doesn't really know until she blows up on him or in this case files a sexual harassment complaint to HR, who makes no effort to understand and diffuse the situation. So, she lives with her utter anxiety of having upset someone (assuming that he is a predator who is now infuriated), thus making the whole thing so much worse. And if they try to talk, she panics and he's just confused and probably hurt, too. HR's should have counselors on demand to help settle these types of confusing issues. She feels violated and he probably feels rejected and lied to. Overall just a sad situation.
As far as I have understood it, HR is supposed to be the mediator in issues like these. Where you are supposed to go if you have workplace issues you don't know how to deal with. So it really is the HR that tremendously fucked up and is the "scandal". Not that HRs don't usually wind up focusing too much on saving the company from potential liabilities instead of managing their human resources well, but even there they messed up terribly.
I'm probably gonna get backlash for this but it sounds like men cannot flirt anymore without getting accused of sexual harassment.
On a personal level, I have been there and I just ignored the fellas who gave unwanted attention. People need to stop being overly sensitive! When it gets really bad, then yeah, say something. But from what I've heard, he just said some rude and suggestive comments. If this guy was younger, more attractive and if she had been interested in him, would it be sexual harassment? If they'd had a relationship and then broke up, would it then turn into inappropriate behaviour in the workplace and a sexual harassment case because he used his position of power?
I know people say women should be able to wear what they want but if you have your boobs out, guys often comment on your boobs for some bizarre reason and from a person with low confidence back in the day, having my boobs out was a security blanket for my insecurities. Sometimes I liked the attention, other times not so much. But if have your boobs out it does provoke a certain kind of attention - I aren't saying "she's asking for it" and this is not a rape story but this guy only touched her shoulder, he didn't molest her!
Where will the line be drawn with these cases?
+JustLovely but if she didn't say anything to him he can't really be blamed that much. Sure, it's like 'hey, maybe don't flirt with your co-workers, especially if they're in a lower position.' but this isn't a rape type thing where 'no answer doesn't equal a yes', this is flirting, which from the sounds of it got slowly less and less subtle because she didn't shut that shit down asap.
Stories like this IGN one are how you get the public to stop taking the term 'sexual harassment' seriously.
Matterking Agreed. She's acting like a child, and the way she reacted to his 'harrasing' statements is infantile. If she doesn't know how to deal with people maybe she should just stay at home where it's safe and sound.
It is harassment, not sexual abuse, but it still exists and it is a problem. We need to make a clear distinction between "abuse" and "harassment". You can still be harassed verbally. If you were sworn at or yelled at by a coworker, that's harassment. Sexual harassment is exactly that, being verbally harassed to a point of discomfort, in a sexual manner. This story shouldn't have been made public, it's definitely something that should've been dealt with internally at IGN. But we should be careful about "not taking sexual harassment seriously".
This is turning into a witch hunt, even Joe McCarthy would be uncomfortable with how far this is going. The guy misunderstood their relationship, that's not sexual harassment, not even close. People calling petty bullshit sexual harassment completely trivialises the concept and it makes things much harder for the people who are actually harassed to be taken seriously.
Sam Lemke Agreed, AT LEAST keep that option open and do investigation, and keep an open mind until then. Communication between men and women is complicated for many and misunderstandings arise easily. This should be taken into account. I also think the response from the accused showed a lot of empathy for the girl, he seemed very understanding and distraught. That can be an act, but again, let's have an open mind instead of a witch hunt.
(I'm also blaming the girl for anything at all, her feelings may have been very much justified. I'm just saying that we should be open to the idea that this wasn't the intent behind the actions of that man. It could even be that he was attracted to her, misinterpreted her signals and acted in a clumsy way. I think training for men, women and management on how to deal with this kind of situation would be smart.)
And the manager and that "damage control" reply shouldn't get time on this show, it's the same BS as always which simply relieves them from responsibility from a lawyer perspective. Just link to the reply, they're empty words. I get why it's covered but my suggestion is to ignore it or keep it brief. Let's focus on the actual problem.
it's about the fact it happened at work, not the fact that it was inappropriate in general... the work place is not a dating site and he was making things awkward for a coworker.
From all the evidence presented this isn't sexual harassment, it's pure miscommunication. If you're friends with someone you want to make them feel good about themselves and that's what he tried to do. Now if they didn't know each other at all and never spoke and that was their only interaction then yes that would be fucking weird. But he has proof they spoke on a deeper level than coworkers and her inability to voice how uncomfortable she was until the week before she reported him just shows she's shit at communication.
If being called "not fat and perfect the way you are" is sexual harassment then we should just stop having girls and boys work together.
I wonder if a man would ever report that as harrasment...
Jorge Roman if they did they would be laughed at and be reprimanded for wasting company time
Rudie McRudeface Well first of all, yes I call my grandmother (my parent) Beautiful all the time because she is. My relationship with her doesn't allow for me to talk about my sex life without it being a little weird, but I totally know people whose parents are like their best friends and they talk WAY WORSE than this.
It's all about the relationship and he misunderstood theirs and ADMITTED that.
Dude, he got a complain about this same shit a year ago, so HE KNEW. Even the boss called her a "stucked up woman", literally.
I could be wrong but the IGN story sounds more like a middle aged man not understanding how his relationship will be seen by a young woman, a young woman who was too immature to enforce boundaries on her relationships, and hysteria over harassment leading to this being a news story.
Well when someone in power makes a move, its harder to say no. He was an editor and more established than her I think. It shouldn't be up to girls to have to deal with dense guys. That is kinda like saying when will ladies learn to not walk alone at night because guys are rapists. How about guys just work at work and take the more cautious approach when flirting with girls.
david yang,
Expecting people to read your mind in order to keep you comfortable is never a good strategy; and not defining clear boundaries is an excellent way to find yourself in a conflict caused by a misunderstanding.
Setting a boundary isn't that difficult, and it doesn't require you to be at an equal power level. Simply saying something like "I'm uncomfortable having this conversation at work" will work for the vast majority of people out there; and if people don't respect that then I think it constitutes harassment.
Hell, it's not that were tired of hearing about the sexual harassment stories, it's just that these stories have little evidence to back them up and when the accused tries to defend them themself they are still slandered without any due process. Whether it happened or not, after that story gets out, the damage has been done to them.
My policy is, question everything and support both sides. Basically be Switzerland. Let the courts do their thing and when its all said and done, condemn the asshole whoever it is. Demand evidence, but don't be a dick about it. Just "Do you have proof? You shouldn't go public or take it to court until you get evidence or else you'll ruin your own name and be put through so much worse". Because that's the truth. Women who go t9 court without proof are put through hell during the trail. They end up being questioned and their lives are the ones that are looked into. Don't pit yourself through that. And to the dude "get as much evidence as possible, understand what you're being accused of and remember your sixth amendment".
True, but in some cases where would the proof come from? Unless your recording video and audio 24/7, there's no way to know who's in the right especially if the perpetrator is smart enough to cover their bases. I have no doubt that people would take this movement as an opportunity to ruin people who oppose them on some level or even just to be a jerk.
+Anurag What fantasyland do you live in? They don't bend over to these allegations,. They deny them. They also often pay people off so they shut up and don't make a fuss about it, because paying them off is, in their opinion, worth it. Same reason people settle out of court so often.
Exactly.
demon2441 yes, but, from what these seem like, they are not violent cases, I am sure that if there might be something fishy going on, you'll have time to whip out your phone and put a voice recorder on. Most phones come with one.
Im sorry if this is controversial, but I don't think what happened with that woman was sexual harassment. Yeah, some guy who is kind of close to you (because you made the conscious decision to tell him personal stories), makes a few jokes about how you are ATTRACTIVE, and how HE IS ATTRACTED TO YOU, that made you uncomfortable, so you told him to stop, he apologized, and stopped. Ok, that should be the end of the story, and a perfectly reasonable thing to do, THEN YOU COME OUT A WEEK LATER WITH HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS?! How is that fair?
Rishi Arun the problem lies with HR, regardless of whether or not he actually harassed her she obviously felt uncomfortable and did the right thing by taking it up with HR, all they have to do is look into it and resolve it or what most do is just sperate them and have them no longer work together because usually when someone you work with or work under makes you uncomfortable you feel embarrassed and don't want to speak to them because it's awkward and you feel bad even, sometimes they can make you feel ashamed which is why HR is there. to help employees be comfortable and happy, healthy etc.
Rishi Arun women are emotional creatures, so to them everything that does not make them feel good is sexsual harrasment, Rape, etc.
Rishi Arun for that reason ia why islamic laws state that a womans testimony ia only worth half of a mans.
Rishi Arun best part is this will affect women in the long run. Men will not talk with them or ask them out. Hell women are now more likely to not receive CPR. Emotional thinking never gets you any where.
Rishi Arun yup
Two of Zoellas past tweets she states that she is proud of her product AND is involved in everything because she is too much of a control freak to allow third parties to do the work for her.
If that's the case, then either she is A) to blame and is trying to get your money for nothing or B) a liar.
Also, if she is proud and invested personally then why has she stayed silent about the whole thing?
But Zoella should have only done the deal if she would know what the price will be, and if she doesn't agree with the pricing, than the deal doesn't happen. If you sell over your name/brand for a promotion, and you aren't aware of every aspect of that promotion, there is a good amount of blame that you deserve. Claiming ignorance is not an excuse.
Unfortunately we don't know how much information Zoella had at the time or her intentions behind the calendar and why she waited so long to speak out which us why this story is blowing up as much as it is. The only things we have to base our views on are the opinions, facts and judgements made by consumers, retailers, management and Zoella which will nearly always conclude in a bias result.
mimimi I understand completely where you are coming from I just think that for something that she is incredibly proud of why would she not have access to the information to the pricing? Even if she didn't the consumers were quick to pass negative judgement on that aspect and I just find it hard to believe that she didn't know about it until now making it hard for me to believe that she is as upset about the product as she claims. Obviously I could be completely wrong but like I said it's frustrating cause we will most likely never know the true story.
Half of RUclips is about marketing. Now let's get over it and sing along to my song parody "How it REALLY is" (on my channel) ;-) I am sure you will love it
Looollll just like how she was “involved” in writing her books?? (She has a ghost writer if you didn’t know).
I mean considering that a lot of Zoella’s viewers are children who won’t look up what’s inside the advent calendar, before asking their parents to get it for them, it really does feel like a scam. I also feel that you should somewhat care about the pricing and quality of the products that carry your name on them, even if you have nothing to do with the process.
I don't think you can call it a scam. Seriously, you're buying something that you have no earthly idea whats inside of it. How can you get scammed when you are buying an item that is designed to have a bunch of mystery content? Now you might call it a dick move, but honestly I'd say that maybe these people should have tried asking the people selling the calender about what it contains before forking over fifty bucks.
Seriously, this is pretty much the same thing as me going : "Hey, I have this sack here with something in it, it's yours for a fifty". Am I the idiot for selling it, or you for buying it?
I agree, she even said sometime ago that she wouldn't put her name in a product that she doesn't genuinely love, but here is an example that where that failed. She should go back on what she said i hope she addresses this soon... I really believe zoella is a good lady & good businesswoman.
So he says he was told to keep correspondence work related. She says he walked near her desk and ask her work related questions... Just seeing what she says he said is like IDC. I have agreed with every single sexual harassment allegation that has come up in the last year but this feels weak. Its like wtf can you say anymore that doesnt result in a I was harassed case. I watch the Philly D behind the scenes stuff thinking oop. That was a semi sexual joke there better watch out guys. I'm over this one already
yeah sourcefeed staff was ALL about jokes like that we would have the whole female cast claming sexual harrasment
+VizZzion I agree and it looks more like someone trying to get attention. She just got mentioned to more than 200,000 ppl and yesterday probably didnt know her name. Especially considering we're talking about IGN that has been dying for a while now
Makes you question your decision to believe all the last stories.
As a woman this is going to get me shot. A lot of these women have been traumatized. As a rape survivor and childhood survivor of molestation I feel their Pain. But some of these coming forward now feel like they are blowing minor stuff out of proportion. I wasn't there so I can't testify to what happened. When your young you may say things in a joking manor that leave you open and even though you were horrified at time. You still have to take some responsibility in life and determine if destroying someone for a comment and not a physical action such as actual sexual assault is worth being public opinion against you are them. The comments are wrong but you were raped you got feelings hurt. Time to grow up kids words hurt but they don't break you.
Sorry you were not raped and public opinion being against you and them. I hate typing on phones.
Preach!
Rebecca Miller I was sexually abused when I was younger, I know this type of stuff happens. But all of these modern cases of "sexual harassment" are females being told that if a guy talks to you that is harassment, so they are blowing things out of proportion. They assume everyone has taken their women studies course that didn't exist 5 years ago and comes from the same mentality of "all men are sexist".
These women are not traumatized, they are just told they can get benefits and attention or free things or special treatment just for being a victim. And modern culture promotes this victim claiming. The media tries so hard to latch onto all cases of a female claiming to be abused by a male and so does social media. When I was growing up men would make compliments and it was understood as a compliment. Now if a man dares to speak to a woman it can be sexual harassment if any woman decides it is.
And this is not progress. Nobody benefits fro this, least of all women who learn they can just complain to an authority figure who fights all their wrongs. They do not have to learn to put on their big girl pants and deal with things in life.
degen83 I agree with you. Saying or doing something to a child. Physically molesting or groping or out n out physical assault is wrong. Threatening you about work or hiring you is wrong. Sorry most guys are over grown children who think telling a woman she is beautiful by saying, " Nice Ass Baby!" Is not sexual harrassment it childish on the male part n over grown emotions on the female. Yes it makes you uncomfortable but you don't ruin someone's life or career over it. Again people sticks n stones break bones words don't hurt you physically. If a man says something that makes you uncomfortable say it to him..."I don't like or feel that comment was needed let's keep it professional." Make sure you say or write it down hell if you have to record it but handle it right there n then. In this case she did but he felt there was evidence it went both ways. Don't just share your experience because all are on the band wagon to do it. Again any one who had this done to them under age of consent should speak out. But grown ass adult women grow up. A guy telling you he wishes he could get his youth back n "go all night" is not sexual harrassment unless he tells you to your face he wants you to help him try to do that. In this report nothing like that was said. You felt uncomfortable you reported it you felt unsatisfied bringing it up years later because a creep like Harvey w or Kevin S are finally caught doesn't make you a hero it makes you an attention seeking child. And you diminish the real victims and make their stories seem like not a problem.
Perfect example 4 year old in a bath tub grown uncle comes in touches the kis then shoves his appendage in said kids mouth is wrong and soul scaring being told your beautiful and he would like to be able to go all night is just him being a jerk and you saying you were afraid of losing your job but you still went to he n they investigated and found you both responsible isn't a crime. It's just being petty. And for those interested that was one of my first memories my grandmother caught him then bought my silence with toys. As an adult I found out he had raped my older sister when she was 7. That's sexual assault and having to meet him at family gatherings n be nice is a bitch but you service it. Happy ending to my story he lost his family, his home and income and walked in front of a train. Karma is a bitch.
One of my first memories was being abused in a foster home by an older kid there. I was doing what I thought was ok but looking back at it it totally was sexual abuse.
So i Know this happens, but teaching women and girls that when a guy compliments you that is harassment is not helping. The message it is sending to guys is don't talk to women, and it is not teaching girls that there is a healthy way to talk to boys and that not all boys are just waiting to sexually harass you.
If someone says they are abused we need to investigate and gather evidence. If there is, we need to have the processes in place so we can hold them accountable for what they did. But if there is no proof we cannot just assume guilt based on no evidence, or just because the accuser is female and the accused is male, that is just sexism plain and simple and if we are trying to progress to where there is no sexism than nonsense institutionalized sexism like that has no place and must be called out, exposed, and ended when it happens.
A man complimenting you is not harassment. A man saying nice tits is not appropriate for the workplace, but a man saying nice tits on the street is not harassment unless he walks up to and makes a lot of those types of comments or he starts touching. It is not going to get him any dates but I take it as a compliment from someone who doesn't know how to talk to girls and less of an attack on me.
A man saying nice ass or nice body is not by default harassment. It is not polite to say that but it is just like when we think to a guy nice ass or nice abs or nice chest, the same thing so why is one harassment but not the other? If one is, both are, but if both are then everyone is sexually harassing every hot person they see every day and that gets quickly out of hand and absurd.
But touching, exposing, and even some of the more lewd comments if they just keep coming, and some comments even if they are told just once is harassment. We need to teach the difference to people so they do not just have a bad day and do cry harassment. If you have consensual sex with someone and later regret it, that is not rape, the person is not a bad person because it was consensual at the time, consent cannot be retroactively retracted.
I am so sorry that happened to you and your sister and family. That is why we need to investigate these claims but maintain innocent until proven guilty. If there is no proof then there should be no legal consequences. Of course if it happens and there is no proof you should distance yourself and not be around them, but it is better than the logical conclusion of just accepting peoples words in criminal cases without proof where everyone who wants something accuses another of stealing and they can just take their stuff, or they get into an argument and accuse the other person of a crime that never happened and the police put the other one in prison. I would rather we have a burden of proof before punishment and we do not just accept someones word as truth because they are female.
Why is everyone so afraid to make a statement that goes against what people think? As soon as one of there accusations of sexual harassment come out, it seems like it’s strictly off limits to question the validity of these claims. When you broke the story of this woman getting “sexually harassed” I was really skeptical as I was with the rest of these stories but, the way you presented the story made me feel like it was just some guy trying to get with a woman and the woman didn’t communicate with the guy who was hitting on her. Imo getting hit on should not be considered sexual harassment.
Wheatley Core getting hit on *at work* by a *person in a position of power* when you did nothing to elicit or encourage those comments *can* and *is* sexual harassment
Wheatley Core asking for sex from a coworker is sexual harassment, especially when you outrank them (that comment about how when he was her age he could go all night)
Bob Pickleson he wasn't asking for it from her. Making a statement about something like that isn't sexual harassment. He made no remark towards her. He did nothing wrong
Isaiah Cooper it depends how he said it tbh. One could be a friend joking around with a friend about sex lives. Another could be him suggestively saying let's fuck.
Ada No, it's not.
It can be if they threaten you for not complying or continue to do so after you respond in the negative but it is not by default harassment of any kind.
You don't know what harassment is if you're classifying it as harassment by default in which case I would suggest a dictionary. A legal one in particular.
And no, it shouldn't be classified as harassment either.
In my experience, the internal IGN response is fairly typical. In a previous job at a very large corporation, I was friends with all of my co-workers. I'm a male, and one of my female co-workers would ask me about other women in the office regularly. "Isn't she pretty?" and "Wow, that skirt looks great on her, right?" were typical questions she had for me. But even in that situation, I understood that there was probably a double standard, and I only agreed with her, providing no further opinions. After several months, my boss called me into his office, saying that someone wants to file a sexual harassment claim against me. After describing a few conversations that I had with the female co-worker, I knew who it was and told my boss that she had initiated every conversation. He said that she was "convinced" not to file harassment by her female boss, and I was told very clearly to NOT discuss the situation with her or her boss. Afterwards, I was told to avoid her whenever possible, and was forced to attend a sexual harassment course. According to my boss, she was not required to attend the course because she said she would go to HR if she had to do that. Within the week, everybody heard that I had sexually harassed her, even though I hadn't done so, officially or unofficially. On the one hand, it's good that charges weren't filed against me. On the other hand, it's disturbing that everyone just wanted the whole thing to quietly go away...except for my punishment.
Juggurosh That is absolutely outrageous.
Juggurosh you monster
+Juggurosh
That's just sad, and far too typical of the modern day. People will judge someone guilty based on accusations rather than proof.
In regards to the IGN story, I really think we should know what the "harassment" was. I think it's unfair to the man being accused that we don't know what he's even being accused of. Beyond that, his response to it seemed very thoughtful and sincere. I don't think he intended in any way to harass anyone. My dad was accused by a co-worker of sexual harassment after being friends for months. He never did anything to her for her to accuse him of that. One day she just told him that she didn't want to hangout with him anymore and he told her it was fine. They stopped being friends and months later she's accusing him of harassment for no apparent reason. Call me a skeptic, but I just don't know.
innocent until proven guilty, not vindicating but just not aggressively victimising him for somthing from what it sounds is a complete over exaggeration, i mean at this point verbal harassment is sexual harassment and sexual harassment is rape and rape is worse than murder, the issue is that rape really shouldn't be worse than murder, definitely up there but you have to account for murder being final and rape is word of mouth, i.e anyone can say it so lets not start the guilty until proven innocent trend only for that.
this is what happens, when radical and extremistic third and fourth wave left wing feminism take over. i feel sorry for America (and sweden) that their own country have a cesspool worse than death bombers, they dont take serious. together with the leftist bias mainstream media they have slowly taken over the (normal peoples) media outlets. phil is making news on this cancerous and he dont even know it is bad (prolly because he is a leftist) before people point it out with critical thinking. leftist hollywood currently have a meltdown and are pointing fingers at men, so a feminist frequency leaded female leftwing feministic movement can take over and lead the world into misinformation. i feel sorry for left wing and right winged Americans who have to suffer through this. they did not deserve this, no one wanted to listen to the *crazy* people who warned them. its too late. enjoy your suffering.
+alexzander2211 - Wait, there's now a 4th wave of feminism? Ah shit, the world still hasn't healed from that 3rd wave bullshit. Can't we wait like a decade or two before the cancer returns?
At 14:46 I was like 'oh man Phil brought his sexy voice. This is going to be bad for Zoella' 😂
I'll be honest, I find it horrifying how fast people are to demand justice with no evidence these days. It's like they assume that no one lies about anything. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If anything bad happened, then that person needs to pay for that - but only on the condition we can actually be sure something bad DID happen.
Philip Zeplin
Only men lie according to the book of third wave feminism
I remember your Japan videos years ago, good to see you're still active!
Elad As well as basic human societies. Would you want your life ruined because some jealous or overly zealous person sought out to destroy everything you are via accusations?
+Elad
It also applies to basic human societies with even a shred of decency, numbnuts.
So, what about the other way around ? Your claims should be listened and analized no matter what, not always the evidence is concrete and each case need some level of research including the context, witnesess, etc. In this case even her boss aknoleged the harrassment claim but justified it saying that she "seduced him". The evidence is right there, even IGN stated that it was poorly managed.
So idk how you can find THAT horrifying and not the ridiculus amount of harrasment cases that went under the radar all this time.
As much as I want to believe the victim by principle, I have to say that Vince's response is fairly reasonable. It seems to me that the biggest issue in the sexual harassment story was a lack of communication from all sides. Vince says clearly he didn't believe Kallie was comfortable with the level of friendship he was. At the same time, Kallie may have been misreading the situation because there was a lack of communication between her and Vice, but to be fair, HR really seems to have just goofed it all in general. I don't know who to believe, but I sure as hell don't trust HR to tell the truth here.
Seth G exactly. Yet everyone in the comments think Vince is a saint and Kallie is the devil trying to ruin his career. IGN should've just handled this situation better and this wouldn't be that big of a deal
What the fuck happened to no means no. Did she tell him no. WTF is level of friendship. Are you not allowed to hug or touch people nowadays. Can I carry around a hug bot? I hope I don't brush up against some womens at a job and then get fired for harassment.
Are we all just going to igrore that more of these sexual assault claims have no proof to them? Its someones word Vs. Someone elses word... yet to every person being accused most media and the public eye sees the accused as guilty before innocent. This kinds scares me because now all someone has to do is go to twitter and type _____ sexualy assulted me and then the accused person is screwed...
No, sadly; nine times out of ten, all a women has to say is "i was assaulted" and they are ready to convict/etc. the guy before finding out the full story.
William Priest
A man is threatened with violence. He reports that to the police, you believe him right? Why is it any different for someone reporting sexual assault/harassment.
When something is fake it's clearly obvious and the facts don't add up (such as the story mentioned today) but statistically 90% of accusations are true
Um, do people not really finish a video after they hear something that confirms their biases? The man himself issued a statement saying that he understands why she would feel that way because he knows he was being a creeper but just can't come out right and say it.
Right because proving harassment and sexual assault is sooooo easy.
Everyone for the most part agrees about what exactly violence and sexual assault is. Sexual harassment is a much more grey area. Some women think a man is being sexist if he simply offers to help them with something or simply compliments them. And your statistics are WAY off. WAAAY off. And no, it's not always clearly obvious, especially in sexual harassment cases, because there is rarely any form of evidence. It is typically 100% the word of one against the other.
not many people commented on the zoella story, but what they are doing is almost to the point of false advertisement. although the pricing is controlled by a third party, zoe herself has contributed to the mess by approving of the product using her name and brand.
Michelle Nguyen that makes no sense. Its her product. So of course it would have her name on it. But the pricing is the retailer’s choice. They are literally two different things
Sounds to me like shes trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here, like really, a couple mildly sexual comments towards you made you wrecked with anxiety for months? Come on now
pokedude104 I agree this is hurting real victims.
How come you say "the text messages do a sub-par job of clearing his name" when NOTHING was produced from the other side? As far as I am concerned, his name is clear. Nothing was put forward to suggest anything else. (As in evidence, not a story that not one other person in their workplace could confirm to be true)
Eh you know woman dont need a proof? She dont need any evidence? Hashtag #metoo is the proof that she is not lying.
To be fair how would she go about proving this.
Sinkor22 First of all be an adult and not flirt at work. If he would have followed normal work conditions this wouldn't have happened.
Ace Sawyer They were both found to be acting unprofessionally. Why does she get a pass with no evidence to back her claim?
Be an adult and don't flirt at work?
Kek,are you 12? Having common grounds with somebody is the first step in getting to know somebody,so sometimes it happens without you noticing
The Zoella thing is obviously a scam but companies do this stuff all the time. They clear out inventory and backstock adding it to special bundled items in order to turn a profit rather than take a loss on unsold items. This way they can trick the consumer into thinking they're getting something special when in reality they're getting one over priced exclusive item and a butt load of filler items no-one want to buy separately.
Personally I think when your filler items include things like stickers and glitter, items valued for less than a dollar at party city, you have officialy become a con artist.
Especially with that meet up scam she was involved in I think it was called hello world makes her look worse
Zoella and EA are equal... Equally bad
Mila Kanev nice to see you mom
Nice to see you too Reza ^_^
My seventh sense is detecting a PDP fan
Micro-transactions are the cancer of video game industry.
Nick Otaku
*amen brother*
Nick Otaku and the developers are making billions treating the cancer instead of curing it by removing it completely. Just like real cancer.
Nick Otaku Nope, stop lying to yourself.
average gamer spends 6h a week gaming? those are really, really rookie numbers
Maybe we are not average XD
6 hours LOL.Thats a small session.
Aussie Guy literally a day worth of Dota 2
I play if I'm not asleep, at work, or something hygienic like shitting and showering.
Maybe one day a week will be spent outside.
Those numbers are the only way Phil can call him self an "average gamer".
Lol “you’re perfect”
Answer: stop harassing me!!!
Thinkofsomething some people just fake it for attention
Christobanistan haha yep she just made it worse
The only way for this nonsense to stop is if they ban dating in the workplace, you are caught flirting? $20 temporarily deducted from your salary for the month.
You want to find a date? You either take special leave from work or your workplace assigns you to a special post for the time being.
I know you wan't to blame the attire but we can't just rip our tits off just to look less sexy when we wear clothes. Unless a woman is dressing like the bella twins, almost every attire looks ok. And i said almost.
dont ALOT of people date people they work with. ESPECIALLY AT IGN. Alot of them know each other outside of work etc.
I was just wondering. Because I think if they didnt allow dating, alot of women would be just as angry as men. and america would become like the rest of the world. which isnt a good or bad thing.. just not a very american thing.
Uhh. Okay.. here's the deal. The very real and very disturbing sexual abuse/harassment cases that have been going on have all been legitimately sick and wrong. Those accusations were rightfully made. However with this woman in IGN, her case is in my opinion, not sexual harassment or abuse at all. I think that person who said those things to her is inappropriate and rude.. but it's nothing to at all comparable to what those actual sick bastards do. I'm a woman and if that happened to me I'd be pissed..but I wouldn't be making sexual abuse allegations when it never happened.
The problem is that we don't know what kind of relationship those two had between them. If they were close, friendship wise, those jokes are acceptable. Why are we not shown all communications between them?
So, something of a sexual nature that happen several times and is both "inappropriate and rude" doesn't qualify as sexual harassment to you ? You do realize it literally ticks ALL the boxes of sexual harassment, right ?
Because you're not a judge, Jimmy. You're not in charge of the case for the internet police, Jimmy. So go back to your room and eat your vegetables, Jimmy.
I mean I have jokes like that with my guy friends all the time whether it's at work or out, the guy clearly said he thought they had been close work friends so I wouldn't see something like that as creepy coming from a friend, hell even my girl friends have jokes like that too but it's not creepy sill cause we're friends. If she had just said she didn't like what he had said it wouldn't have been this big of a deal and to be fair he did stay away from her and only talked to her about work related things as she said herself, and on the thing she said about him sitting near her in meetings, I don't see the big deal because it's supposed to be a damn meeting like come on it's not some big party room, dude has to sit somewhere right.
Again we don't know how it got there. Maybe when he told her he could last all night, she was complaining that her boyfriend did not perform in bed. Maybe she was complaining that her boyfriend was playing on the PlayStation all day, at which he said "she needed a real man".
He may be a total creep from what i know but it all depends on the dynamic of the relationship.
Why is the bar for sexual harassment becoming lower and lower each day?
Because if everything is worthy of outrage, nothing is, and hence leftists can keep their rhetoric without looking like hypocrites
Thinkofsomething You treat women like children. Seems a little sexist.
...because in the 21st Century, we base more and more standards on feelings. I'm not even talking about sexual harassment anymore so much as everything. A court ruled this year in the U.S. that police may use deadly force based upon nothing more than whether or not the cop feels scared for his life. Criminals are prosecuted and convicted differently not based on simply what they did but largely upon how they felt while doing it, thus the existence of hate crime law. It's all about the feels which will always be arbitrary and inconsistent.
That’s sexual harassment, you said “lower” made me feel uncomfortable
Thinkofsomething "aggressors"?? This guy doesn't deserve all of this backlash
2017. I didn't think it was possible but you're actually even more exhausting than 2016.
2016: *everyone you admire or look up to is dead*
2017: *everyone you admire or looked up to is a sexual harasser*
Well o feel it's been personally better for me than 2016
Sarah Explains It All 2017 has been the best year of my life so far well school and fitness wise so..
I think you're taking it too seriously, Apatheism.
Dank memes Luke Pretty much sums it up nicely lol
I like Phil don't get me wrong but he is always VERY politically correct...
She never said he inappropriately touched her or even said anything that was undoubtedly a sexual advance.
If what he supposedly did is enough to be called sexual harassment then we are in trouble moving forward. Her statement "this was a man who preyed on me" just doesn't seem to be grounded in reality. Seems to me like he thought they were closer than they really were; likely due to her "sharing very personal information, looking for advice". I don't know it all just seems a little shady with what we know right now. He seems forthcoming with his information and it comes off as genuine (in my opinion). I think this is a case of "older guy who has made sexual comments (not advances) and because I am not attracted to him it makes me uncomfortable"
We don't know the context in which his comments were made under so it is very difficult to say whether he is in the wrong. It's either this:
1. He is a creep, HR completely failed her and he is a really convincing liar
OR
2. She is a drama queen and has over analysed his behaviour
No. The real issue, that EVERYONE is missing, is that HR is to blame for ALL of this...
Vince would still have a job, and she would have been fine and felt comfortable if HR had done their job right.
That man lost his job so the company could save face. He was collateral.
If HR listened to the girl's complaints (not blamed her for instigating advances with her clothes and SHAMED her), then simply made sure the two were properly separated, none of this would have happened.
He simply seemed like a silly guy that didn't get the message. That's fine. He just needed to be told by the higher ups to stop and not to go near her. This didn't happen, or at least, did not happen the way it should have... This is the companies fault. They were fools and THEY cost that man his job.
I don't think we can be so definitive about our conclusions just yet....
I wouldn't disagree with what you said, only problem being that it assumes everything we know thus far is accurate. I personally just have a hard time believing HR "insinuated" that she is provoking him with her chest... I mean seriously.....even her wording around this part becomes less definitive using words like "basically" and "insinuated". This to me shows that it might be a matter of interpretation. If she has a victim complex she might interpret everything as an "attack" on her, this is becoming more and more common nowadays. My main point is this. Let's not jump to conclusions so quickly based off limited information ESPECIALLY when it just doesn't add up. But Phil is always quick to side with the politically correct even when (like this story) the information we are given is limited and inconclusive.
I don't like to assume guilt in this situation. It's possible that she exaggerated, but if people start concluding that(which many are) and they are wrong, you are looking at literally blaming a victim which is a truly terrible thing to do... Also, if nothing actually happened at all, and she really was entirely at fault, Vince would not have admitted to it (which he did, albeit he stated that he assumed she was okay with it). Mere verbal harassment w/o anything physical should have been something handled properly by the company. I do firmly believe that many companies do have issues ignoring and helping their employees in these kinds of situations. This includes harassment targeted at either gender.
This story is very sad, but I am hoping they get BETTER people at the company that are trained to deal with this sort of thing. I personally don't feel it really right to be terribly harsh on either the girl or Vince. Yes, PC bullshit is getting out of hand nowadays, but we can't assume all victims exaggerate because of it. I hope (if he was just a silly, oblivious guy) that he can get proper work again in the future. It'e a terrible shame. :/ I am getting very tired of seeing all of this bad news.
Sorry for *TL;DR*
Vince never admitted to nothing....he simply said maybe she was uncomfortable with their perceived closeness. He was essentially saying "tell me what I have done" to which she wouldn't give him an answer. You said you don't like to assume guilt but you already blamed HR only based off what we know....which is very limited. In one of Vince's tweets he said something like "she shared very personal things with me".... why would she be so close with someone she says preys on her? Why does she use such indecisive language? If this was without a doubt a case of sexual harassment how did HR let it slide? It is these types of questions that raise issues with the whole situation. But still we have Phil saying he (Vince) must do more to prove his innocence....what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I just can't imagine a HR meeting going something like:
Her: "he is sexually harassing me...."
HR: "but you do provoke him with your chest... so here, sign this (or you lose your job) and from now on don't provoke him"
She is saying it went down similar to this... I mean if that is even close to the case then HR is 100% at fault.
There is no way it went down like that. Surely. My rational brain just can't comprehend HR being so blatantly unprofessional. There has to be more to the story.
Sorry, but saying "rational brain can't comprehend" is ridiculous. In fact, it simply tells me that you may need a bit of a reality check when it comes to big companies and their behaviour towards their employees. I can absolutely believe the behavior of those working at HR trying to take both sides but in that attempt, accuse the girl of being too friendly/her attire and making her sign an agreement along with the man. I never claimed they blatantly said "your shirt is bad", but that sort of thing can be worded differently. It seems that you have blatantly chosen to side with the man in this situation. It seems you are the one determined to take sides here. I believe he made silly comments, but should not have been fired and blasted for it at all. Me taking issues with HR isn't a witch hunt against an individual, its criticism of their company and hopefully they will do better in the future.
"I'd rate our company a 10 out of 10" -IGN
Alexis Ford I'd rate us 7.8 too much water
7/10 too much water
nah a perfect 5 out of 7
Dude didn't realize he was in the Friendzone and tried to get out. Snipers got him before he even made it to the fence.
Brave soul. Just escaped mine with all my legs blown up, at least no harpies on my back anymore!
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dimman77 some times the snipers like to play games, they don't reply to you for months, then all of a sudden a couple of months later or 1 year later reply to you and get your hopes up, then don't reply again after a while..... by that time I just delete the chat and don't talk to them anymore, unfriend and so on.
dimman77 your comment finished me 🤣🤣
I agree with what many people are saying in the comments; this women has no real evidence of true harassment outside of some aggressive flirting. He stopped when she asked, yet she still is being victimized. I hope this doesn't lead to less women coming out about actual harassment and more women complaining about how this one guy smiled at her in a sexual way.
AvonleaCavendish i think the issue is here is more of a misunderstanding and how bad the HR department handled the issue. Not to discredit any one wanting to come out about their harassment story but this story has some shady lines to it and the guy was more than willing to show the necessary evidence for what happened.
The problem is i think people can see sexual harassment differently and what bothers me the most is that she did not try to confront him directly.
AvonleaCavendish i see, but once the report is done is it still not allowed to confront them?
don't forget about the great double standard
AvonleaCavendish flirting at work while maybe not appropriate is definitely not sexual harassment.
I don't know what kind of flirting would really make someone quit their job to work somewhere else. And yet...
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? There is false accusations you know, you cant just believe everyone's sexual harassment story.
Zoella should of just said it was a loot box instead of a calendar and people would've bought five.
The IGN story was a big scare for me . I work with a lot of younger girls and during lunch breaks they would talk about boyfriends and would occasionally ask my opinion about how men think or what they do . From now on I am going to eat outside , just in case . I would rather seem " stand offish " than have to deal with this shit .
Not Convinced this is what shouldn’t happen right? You shouldn’t feel afraid to talk to your coworkers or being accused for these alleged sexual harassment claims
Better to avoid, times are bad now... as they Prevention is better
False claims will still get you fired =/
I literally carry a pen cam in my shirt pocket for these situations, I do everything I can to not be alone with ANY female at work. But there are unavoidable situations, to which I click my pen and record the instance from start to finish, sound paranoid and excessive I know, but this shyt is rampant, especially in my field(law enforcement).
@ravynramon
good idea... but be careful so they dont go apeshit about recording them without their knowledge...
Even if Zoella didn't directly price the items, it still seems a bit odd that she would describe her incredibly cheap product as having, "...12 amazing and exclusive treats..." This whole situation just seems a bit manipulative.
Wouldn't suprise me if Zoella had barely anything or nothing to do with it, I mean it's merchandising and in most cases that is handled by the management. It does show though that buying someone's stuff for any other reason then to give them money is pretty stupid. It does seem kinda shady though that knowing the age of her audience, they are pretty much trying to extort money from the parents since they will get the backlash if they won't buy it.
Really Phil? He needs to provide more proof to clear his name? The evidence presented thus far is "sub-par"? What the fuck dude? She provided ZERO evidence, and yet the burden of proof is on HIM to verify his innocence? Holy fucking hell dude that is fucking absurd. I thought you were better than this man.
Take the advice you give RUclips all the time.
Be better. Think of the logical implications of what you are saying.
Goddamn man I've lost so much respect for you over the last few weeks.
Dee Cee Yep
This is an accusation. The accused is therefore guilty until proven innocent. A sexual harassment claim was made; this is known. Therefore the evidence at hand is a guy is trying to make it seem as if he was unaware of his actions and they settled it between eachother. But an HR scandle is an event. He needs to prove that She is in the wrong because of the implication. If he harassed her and got off with no repercussions that means that the company was neglegent and frankly thats fucked up. If hes innocent then it means that the company handled everything fine and there is no deep seeded issue.
Phill is right. He needs more proof because hes defending himself and his company and really all men who are falsely accused.
Your opinion is based on a shallow worldview. Look at the bigger picture and the weight this situation carries.
Not in America man. Its INNOCENT until proven guilty. All they have to do is an investigation and since it was said that they were both at fault then as far as that goes they are both guilty not just him. Its unfair to put all the blame on him especially with the picture Phil used to represent her. It could be that he was a creep just as well that she was putting herself out there while in the office. There was a scenario like this where a woman dressed "sexy" to get a man to hire her or give her favorable jobs but he knew what she was doing and treated her like the person in the court case he had been working on. When she got uncomfortable and tried to tell him he was being a pervert because he wasn't hiding sexual attraction to her he showed her transcripts which had everything he said to her that someone had said about someone else and showed how not to put yourself in that position.
Yeah he is starting to piss me off too.
+Kojin
Okay I accuse you of sexually harassing me during personal interactions that no one witnessed or that were recorded in any other form.
Sure try to release evidence proving you are innocent in something that in no way shape or form can be disproved other than having the accuser say that the accused is innocent. Its akin to trying to prove something that you can NOT possibly measure in any way shape or form as the moment has long sinced passed.
But here is the thing, IF we keep to the logic you pose, my accusations of your sexual harassment would NOT need to be able to hold up in a court of law and in the court of public opinion my accusations WITH NO EVIDENCE would not be seen as SUBPAR evidence of your guilt. Instead all the burden is placed upon you... and there is NO POSSIBLE WAY you could produce anything more than what could be seen as SUBPAR proof.
Oh well I will reap the rewards of the sympathy and the public outrage that garnered enough support to have your job fire you with nothing but on accusations made that can NOT be proven. Even if they did not want to fire you they have no choice, as not doing so would be committing business suicide.
EDIT: I don't follow much IGN so I just looked up to confirm. They did not fire him for this instance my mistake... still the point is the same as such accusations have lead to such.
This is the kind of sexual abuse case I have been worried about coming out since this wave of "trial by media" has stared.
It has worked ok with Weinstein and Spacey etc because they had a clear history of consistently abusing their power to do awful things. But in this case, because it's so hard to tell if he was being harassing or was just a bit clueless around women, and because of how hard it is to shake any kind of harassment suspicion, all of this should be happening behind closed doors.
And in front or a judge if need be.
Well, yours is the first reasonable comment I've found. Good on you.
We don't know the full context of the allegation made against him, but from what was covered I find this to be terrible not because of the guy or hr, but from the girl releasing it and it not being handled behind closed doors. I completely agree with you. From what little we know I highly doubt he ever tried to make her uncomfortable. This is starting to make me personally scared about what companies will do in the future in regards to sexual harassment, if his case is just going to be tried via social media with him possibly black listed and his former company shutting down when so much could be unknown.
just separate men and women in the workplace so no one can complain. oh, you'll also have to separate the gays. and trans. and different ethnicities. then we can all live in one big happy divided ecosystem instead of currently where some men can approach women in a sexual manner but only if they're attractive and men can be sexually harassed by women but no one cares because they're men. bill burr recently spoke out about how he was constantly sexually harassed by women after shows but no one seems to give a shit. bet he's not the only one.
Underqualified why are you so worried? You know you could just not say or do dumb things to women and you’ll be fine
If she wanted to point out how badly she thought IGN handled it, and thought going public was the way to go, I can see that. But IMO, she could have left his name out of it, especially after he apologized and if he was just creepy rather than predatory.
If me not caring about about The hundreds of blind accusations with no evidence that come out every day now makes me an uncaring ass hole then...
i honestly don't care anymore...
The ign stuff sounds like bad flirting nothing else
A meme a day don’t forget it’s bad flirting with a 15 year old though. There should be no flirting it’s illegal
What happened between the 2 IGN employees is actually ridiculous. How over dramatic can you get by saying his comments were 'manipulative and abusive comments'?!?! Vince said they discussed personal matters, perhaps she told Vince something that her boyfriend had done or said and Vince in response saying that he was a boy (or acting like a boy or in other words in a childish way and not like a grown adult - a man) because the way her boyfriend was treating her was not a way a man should treat his women. And the comment regarding the 'uncomfortable compliments' that he gave her, GOSH!!! If this is what sexual harassment is then I have been sexually harassed more times then I can remember.
thats what im thinking. i tell girls theyre cute. now im really scared.
fine theyre ugly. dafuq am i supposed to say?
This is getting ridiculous and out of hand. There was an investigation done into this matter and he was found not to be at fault. Then these people basically blackmailed IGN into saying they were wrong and he was guilty. They didn't demand a better investigation into it, no they automatically assumed his guilt and lynched him. Maybe he was guilty, but this is not the way things should be handled. More and more we're seeing this is the case. All you have to do is accuse someone and they're crucified in the court of public opinion. It's sick and wrong.
Franklin Stewart I agree that accusations against people can get very out of hand in the future but we have to remember that the reason people are shocked and aren't taking any chances is because of how mainly men of power have gotten away with harassment for years and years with no action being taken against them.
I find it sad and somewhat hilarious that it is literally the definition of *bullying* , which is one of those no-no's in today's 'enlightened class of the future'. No one can act like an adult capable of handling the ups and downs of the common work week. "Bob talked to me and he had coffee breath. _I feel so violated, I can still feel his hot breath on me_ " Annnnnd spread it around the office, and now everyone is on strike until Bob has his desk moved and signs a document saying that he will brush his teeth within 10 minutes of every sip of coffee, or carry with him at all times a tin of breath mints. Further complaints will be grounds for dismissal.
And Bob will get further complaints, guaranteed. But he won't know about them until they are brought up 3 years later, and he will be fired on the spot. Bob will then have to tweet some apologies to save face and have a chance of ever getting hired any place ever again.
But nah, no one is being bullied here. This is just how *adults* act these days I guess.
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Did you trip and fall making that giant ass leap?
novawave333 I mean wherever your dad worked probably was really shitty bc that's not how regulations are supposed to work
Sometimes I really don’t get some of this sexual harassment stuff. All the guy did was some unwanted flirting. They talked about and he apologized and stopped. Then she still reported him. Then after that she complains about how he still asked him work questions in person and would still sit near her in meetings as if she had a restraining order against him? Sexual harassment is a real thing but when you bring forward every little case of unwanted advancements, your trivializing real sexual harassment. I guarantee if a guy talked about unwanted advancements from a girl everyone would tell him to grow the fuck up.
Kio Genesis Agreed. I'm tired of this low hanging fruit as news. Guilty until proven innocent eh?
Kio Genesis seriously she's acting like he touched her. She shouldn't have been friendly with him like that. He apologized and for her to be weirded out like be touched her is beyond sensitive. This is one case that is so extra because she is blowing shit up.
Kio Genesis agreed
Kio Genesis I have to say, this seems like a case of "Ew, this guy wants to be my friend and wants to talk to ME--this is a one way street, pal. I talk about myself, nothing else." Like, he really seems like a Joe Blow who isn't attractive or popular by his own admissions and is just happy a girl talked with him. Oh, the poor dude. Little did he know she was using him.
Based on the snippets of information on how forward he supposedly was towards her, we cannot know how much day to day to day advances there were. If these allegations were daily then they were in fact harassment.
Someone was made to feel slightly uncomfortable, better guilt the rest of the company into line...
While I agree that "news fatigue" shouldn't be an excuse to silence or lessen the gravity of these cases, I do however feel that's it's not as if SUDDENLY there's an epidemic of sexual harassment, but instead news stations (who are constantly fighting for viewers) decided that what brings in the eyes this month is this specific talking point and shamelessly started reporting on every and any sexual harassment case they can get their grubby hands on. While I love Philip DeFranco he officially is adding to said "news fatigue" by beating the same points into the ground that every other news station is. If this wasn't a hot talking point, I bet these stories would've gotten minimal coverage if any at all, and I bet when the talking point is all worn out it'll be dropped and barely heard of again.
Not saying I don't want to hear about it, just saying it's a shame how the news system works. It doesn't truely care about the people it reports about, it just cares about reporting stories that bring in viewers, and I hope Philip DeFranco isn't gonna jump on that band wagon.
While Sexual harassment news are very disappointing to hear, it breaks my heart to hear story like with the Kallie where it seems that the guy was just flirtatious with the lady and she wasn't liking it, but could've been solved had she asked him to leave her alone. I cannot say for certain without Vincent releasing his full text-conversation but If we link the dots through out the situation its seems that
- Vincent was being Flirty with the Lady,
-He might have been trying to impress her or possibly wanted more from her
-She took it as harassment but given that she and him text each other, she still didn't feel comfortable enough to tell him so complained his behaviour to HR
-HR didn't find enough evidence to dirty Vincent (or might have schemed against the lady)
-He then texted her asking what he had done to upset her so much.
-Then She comes out publicly after all this.
Now what I conclude from this timeline is that, this might be her trying to take advantage of all the harassment situation around the Hollywood and because she didn't like the person just one bit at that time, she was reminded of the "harassment" during. This is a situation where you hate the person so much you get annoyed or disgusted by slightest of their twitch. According to me If I were a beautiful young women like her, I would also not be into a men like Vincent, and when a person I don't like tries to get close to me I will start getting annoyed by everything he does and take offence. This is what fuelled everything I suppose. Its nothing more than this snowflake generation Enforcing Political correction and regarding every advance towards a women as harassment. These kind of cases more than often steal thunder from the actual harassment cases that require the attention of mass and the media.
NOTHING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED HARASSMENT IF ONE WAS NOT FORCING THEMSELVES ON ANOTHER AND THIS CASE IT SEEMS THAT VINCENT BACKED OFF AS SOON AS HE GOT THE NOTICE FROM HR. GENDER PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN SUCH SCENARIOS OBVIOUSLY. FOR EXAMPLE remember the Adam Sandler movie "thats my boy", now imagine if a Male teacher has had sex with a female student in that movie and she beared his child, would that movie still be considered comedy? Its similar situation here Because she's a girl, her words have to be taken seriously and none of the evidence would matter. Its like the custody of a child situation where mother is favoured during. Why? I am confused do people want Female Superiority or Gender Equality?
Mirul Khanal it's still sexual harassment when it's done in a workplace environment, but I agree if it hadn't been in the environment it was in
Bob Pickleson I don't understand this sexual harassment work environment thing?
As a lady myself, and a not half bad looking one, I totally agree with what you said. I feel like this didn't feel like a sexual harassment issue at all. Just bad flirting where the dood didn't get the signal. No offense to guys, if you don't tell it to them straight, they won't get it. And if he don't back off after that, then ya, sure that can be an issue. Otherwise it feels like a highschool drama where a pretty girl wanted to make an average Joe's life miserable after not taking a hint. I rather not jump on crucifying someone without getting both sides of the story first. While we got the lady's side and a good amount of the guy, I saw nothing that warrants a "law suit". I just want to know, when did it become a taboo to talk to another gender as friends? Did it get that bad in America already? When did using our gender as a weapon for a lawsuit became popular? I've already seen the Race card used waay too much. This just telling me the lady is not suited to work with other people, mostly the opposite sex.
Wow, my thoughts exactly
Hello We when you go to work, you go there to make money and if you love your job, do whatever that is. Not to pick up someone of the opposite sex. Especially when they are in a lower ranking position than you. _Maybe_ out of work. _Maybe._ But _never_ on the job.
How is anyone supposed to find a significant other if flirtatious comments and hugging is sexual assault?
Osama Bin Fappin i guess it's harassment unless you are attractive
No no it's easy, you have to be attractive :) apparently that's how it is nowadays.
I feel sad as a fellow woman. The IGN story is part of the reason why we can't tell which sexual harassment allegations can be trusted and not. Kallie "accepted" Vincent's apology and thanked him for being considerate. I'm sorry if I'm being harsh but I've been taught that it's called being a snake.
This is not sexual harassment. It's horrifying that people have this viewpoint. I guarantee 90+% of the males that refused to work until the company issued an apology could be accused of the exact same thing at some point in their life. It's almost like we need to start inventing new words for 'sexual harassment', 'racism', 'sexism', etc. once people inevitably reduce the old ones to nothing.
It's too late, we're steady accelerating on a downhill trajectory....
His fly was open after coming out of the wash room. SEXUAL HARASSMENT!!!!!!!!!
Right. We gotta get rid of this guilty until proven innocent approach people take with these type of cases. Most probably don't even read the article past the females accusations.
All these allegations are stupid and everyone is getting tired of every video including a new allegation.
Innocent until proven guilty, Phil team should stop trying to cover these stories until they are proven to be true. More than likely, females are using this new "trend" to get "famous".
Auztin3 hmm deep
I was a little worried about what would happen when these assault/harassment cases reached the gaming industry. I'm one to believe "where there's smoke there's usually fire" especially in these recent cases with many victims coming forward. However, the gaming industry has become infested with overly-sensitive and dramatic people who play the oppression Olympics and think flirting is rape. Even if what this guy did was intentional and inappropriate for work, flirting with someone isn't sexual harassment if you don't give the person any indication it makes you uncomfortable or that you want them to stop. This guys texts don't prove he was appropriate, but they _do_ seem to prove that she accepted his statement that he was sorry and didn't realize he'd done anything wrong. If it's true that this was the end of their interactions, the problem was already solved. This feels a little like she's riding the wave of the Hollywood assault scandals.
It's honestly maddening that people are protesting this guy and the company when they've literally seen ZERO evidence of this person's guilt. At least wait for some proof, it shouldn't be hard to supply at all. It's crazy how much social media is used to irreparably condemn people nowadays in place of actual legal judgement.
Eshajori I am feamale. I agree with you. In college in my twenties, I had no problem telling a guy to get his hands off my knees in the comp lab, and he had no problem doing so. Are women too fragile to speak up and drop the facts into the conversation?
do you want to look into what is happening in Zimbabwe, as a story for the next show
The military is trying to overthrow Mugabe.
I watched the Jackmaaate video where he unboxed it and to be honest I agree with him completely. The fact that one of the advent doors has just a bag of confetti in it says how stupidly overpriced it is.
so many of the things in that are single use only. Such a joke. I feel so bad for the parents who splashed out and bought that for their kids. Load of rubbish
I think the IGN story is ridiculous, and Vincent is perfectly innocent. I've met plenty of girls who act like her, and the result is not funny. Normally, a decent to good looking girl starts talking to a kind of unattractive guy (doesn't seem to matter who initiates the friendship, happens in both cases), and is fine with it at first. She gets comfortable with him and starts to share deep things with the guy. The guy takes this as being her being comfortable, and starts to act more naturally towards her, such as maybe making sexual jokes. She thinks he is trying to advance on her and she stops the friendship very suddenly. The "kind of unattractive" part comes in here because since she does think he is unattractive, she sees it as creepy, even when she would think it's just fine with a hot guy. Reports it to HR even though there was nothing wrong, and when that gets disproved she leaves, and now here we are. IGN's HR department probably said it was inappropriate on both sides because it was just a friendly, joking conversation. She doesn't see it like that after a while however, because he is unattractive and therefore "creepy" when making sexual jokes, even if she makes the same kind of jokes. I personally believe Vincent 100%, his story lines up with the experiences I've seen plenty of my friends go through before, and I hate to see this.
now idk about perfectly innocent i dont agree there but he is in the right here i think.
Lol this has happened to me 3 times exactly how you described it. But you know, as a 25 year old now. I really wished I could have noticed it sooner when Iwas younger and it happened to me 3 times so that I could have avoided BS situations with those chicks, but live and learn is the way to go anyhow.
Okay but obviously he’s much older than her and she doesn’t really know him that well. In that particular case, he should have set boundaries and not tried to make sexual jokes with her because of the circumstance. I do think it was blown out of proportion, however, she had the right to be upset and feel uncomfortable. You shouldn’t joke like that to people younger than you who you don’t know that well.
becca delucia she doesn't know him? She was sharing deep things with him. Why would she do that with a person that she doesn't know? They were acting friendly and she was definitely comfortable with him. What happened was that he tried to advance to her and she didn't find him attractive, so she reported him to HR instead of telling him that she wasn't interested.
becca delucia She made him think they were close because of how deep she got with him in some conversations. That was her own fault and she couldn't handle the outcome of her being so open with him. If they're both of age, then age isn't a factor that should be considered. If he did make a joke, it doesn't matter if she is younger if she's not some 14 year old girl.
The world is so retarted now that even flirts are sexual harrasment, wow.
Yep I'm so glad I'm in my thirties and I have to deal with these little Millennial psycho girls
FEMINAZIIIIS
If someone fifteen years older than you tries to flirt with you on a constant basis wouldn't you be uncomfortable? Especially if you made it clear that you're not interested, and in your workplace too. That's so unprofessional and invasive.
It's just creepy dude.
How is any guy gunna find someone to date if even talking to someone is harassment....
Rylie Cronk give it a few more years. We’ll get them sex droids :)
Miguel Moreno haha
This is getting out of hand. Accusations are being treated as fact and ruining lives. Making comments and coming onto someone isn't sexual harassment. If that person says stop and they do they shouldn't be called out for it years later. What is the world coming to... do you have to get a person to sign a waiver before you show interest in them?
Save the hate for the real predators.
I agree, the way the situation was handled was wrong by the company, but from the information presented this guy does not seem like a predator and his life shouldn't be ruined from this if what he says is true
... getting out of hand?.... probably a commie pinko too :P wheres McCarthy when you need him... :P
firefox5926 prob dead or some by the way whos mccarthy
My 2 cents worth. It is not his job to share documented proof of his innocence first, it is her job to show documented proof of his guilt first. Prosecution goes first, she said he did it but showed no proof. Defense goes second shows a text conversation where she acknowledges his apology for making her feel uncomfortable. Defense 1, prosecution 0. Words are not actions, nor are they proof. Inappropriate workplace behavior maybe depending on the work environment and the employer's policy but not sexual harassment. More evidence is needed in these conversations before we start bringing out the rope and pitchforks or calling for strikes and boycotts.
While I do not think he was sexual harassing her, she did feel uncomfortable and the company handled it poorly. But I want to point out that the definition of sexual harassment is "the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks." Making comments and coming onto someone can be sexual harassment, when it is unwanted.
I think it's interesting that we're at a point in society where people are considered guilty until proven innocent. Scary times.
The Romans are disappointed in us
Especially since it is near impossible to prove that somthing didn't happen.
It has always been the case. Always.
It's the justice that follows the innocent until proven guilty. Everyone can have his own opinion, and no one HAS to consider someone innocent if they believe otherwise.
Joe Mills wait, so you mean the one who said she fondled her sister's genitals when she was 7 and her sister was a baby?
I never got that. She was a child herself, and didn't understand the concept of sexuality. Also she was like 7.
Condemning people who allegations are made against, but those accusers provide no proof is not acceptable. I'm very disappointed in you Phil reporting on this the way you did.
MaJieMao preach
I'm actually getting very irritated by some of these stories. From what she said, it seems the guy made a few sad attempts at flirting with her and touched her arm once and she considers that harassment??? As though this is something she's had to live with in secret for years and only now feels she can open up about it? Wtf. If I got traumatised from every stupid chat up line or flirty touch, or even the much more inappropriate ass patting when I waitressed, I'd need a world of therapy. This is nonsense. It seems like jumping on the band wagon and looking for a freaking pay out by IBN.
Even if he did everything she said, which we only have her word for... So what? None of that is sexual harassment is it? Where's the line between trying to chat up someone you see at work and harassment? Did she tell him she wasn't interested and please keep things professional or just go running straight to HR? Would she have reacted the same way if someone she fancied had called her perfect?? Ugh. Just ugh.
It diminishes the credibility of and sympathy for women who have genuinely had awful experiences.
Worked at Lowe's years ago and one of the cashier had a thing for me to which we would talk/flirt but I had girlfriends at the time, however one of my buddies had the hots for her so I told him not be nervous and go talk with her. Needless to say she seem nice and friendly to him but it turns out she didn't like his interest so instead of telling him she told the manager at which point the manager told him not to talk to her anymore. Now I felt like shit since I talked him in to getting over his fear and she did that.
If someone's interested in you take it as a compliment even if it's not the person your interested in but tell them and understand people all have different ideas of what is ok to talk about so again if it goes in a direction you don't like say so.
But don't be a b****
The privilege of being a woman but most women will never understand (and then try to say they don't have the same rights as men). Smh.
He provides proof and she provides none. He still has to provide more proof because his is "sub par". WTF
He's also a guy. In this day and age women can say whatever they want and the guy is instantly vilified because of it, despite attempting to clarify the situation. Don't get me wrong, harassment is wrong and should be stopped, but when the system actively supports women provided little if any proof and the guy provides everything and he still gets in trouble... THen something deeper is the issue here.
Anurag ! I can't tell if thats a joke or if you are actually that dumb
Anurag ! The answer to that question would be, if they fought back, they would be surrounded by bad PR for 10x longer, than If he were to just accept it. Which is where this problem stems. Why is it that men need to provide tons of evidence to defend from a word of mouth accusation from a woman, where the woman can make a firm stance with no evidence
Anurag! He didn't deny it cause he was flirting with her. Since when is it wrong to flirt with girls? He clearly said that he never made sexual advancements toward her or touched her in any inappropriate way. They were both really friendly towards her. He developed a crush and would flirt which she clearly felt uncomfortable by it and he didn't realize that. I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Guarantee you if that guy was Zac Efron she would be loving every second of it.
Except he was not Zac Effron. That would be a rapist saying, if I was her husband, she would be loving every moment.
As far as this story goes, I think the problem was with how HR handled it. The guy made the girl uncomfortable. The girl didn't accuse him of anything that the guy said was a lie. He pretty much said yea I did all those things but it wasn't my intention to make her feel that way.
Tbh this sexual harassment claim seems like bs. It feels to me as a guy like certain women are power tripping on these claims, it’s just a tool for attention and a complete disregard for the people who’s lives they destroy
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Phil, i kinda disagree. I don't think "whales" are millionaires or RUclipsrs like you said. I think they're most likely average joes as far as income and occupation who CANT AFFORD what theyre doing but they have a gambling addiction. That is just from my personal observation though so it could be wrong, but I grew up around addiction of all kinds and it is really sad to see!
He apologizes for something that hardly seems like harassment, and yet she still exposes him. I get a bad feeling that this is an attempt for her to get 15 min, but more info could come.
Vaughn Hunter Based on the snippets of information on how forward he supposedly was towards her, we cannot know how much day to day to day advances there were. If these allegations were daily then they were in fact harassment. Also, I believe the story blew up like it did because of how IGN's HR team/person handled the situation.
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Please never stop reporting on sexual misconduct, we need to keep the conversation going and reinforcing it will have legal repercussions
Most of the men complaining they cannot even flirt in the workplace anymore baffle me, are you even supposed to be treating your workplace as your dating ground?
Meomix Mimix good point. What about the other way round? Men aren't believed when they're harassed or no-one cares. Women who make false claims of rape? Nothing happens. The men? Even though proven innocent, they're life is more often than not ruined. There needs to be a huge overall of society's behaviours and beliefs across the board. People shouldnt think this behaviour is fine, everyone needs the support and decency to be believed. The accused should be thought of as innocence unless you are proved otherwise. Lot of injustice unfortunately.
alot of women flirt at work too though. ive seen it before. and i dont know, i feel like maybe she should be allowed to, it would be weird if they werent.
Drizz you say "Men aren't believed when they're harassed or no-one cares" and yet Terry Crews just came forward and is going after his predator and everyone actually cares...so...unless it is about a man...again you throw us to the shadows? jeez...this is ridiculous...actually ridiculous that only women can be believed if a man already came forward...gtfo
Tracy P there will people who do, society as a whole is yet to catch up on many social "norms" there are loads that women struggle against, same with men. This is one of them
This is disgusting, imagine having a good friend who you can share all your secrets with each other and then you hear that they reported you for harassment. Even though you have all the proof to show you weren’t harassing anyone everyone still calls you a bad person until you are fired by the company. Now you have no job and getting a job with a large company is gonna be impossible since one wants to take the risk of hiring you. Since you are a reviewer there are not many good jobs you can get and to put it bluntly you are fucked. So basically people are ruining a mans life with 0 evidence of any wrong doing
This is disgusting, imagine going into work and having your boss be friendly at first but then he starts to flirt a lot. You're not too into him so you try to distance yourself. You feel like if you say something you might be fired. Then when you take it to hr you get treated like the problem even though the guy admitted he may have been more intimate then he should have in a work environment.
Feels > Reals
toddydog3 Why wouldn't you simply approach him and tell him some of his actions are inappropriate? Instead of going behind his back and going straight to HR? They were essentially friends; always telling secrets to one another as he had explained. What would he do considering it's not even her boss? (Thanks Kenneth). From his posts to the accusation and the friendship apparently the two had shared, I wouldn't see him reacting in any other way than he had. Accusations like these utterly destroy reputations, even if you're innocent. Women need to be more upfront about this stuff unless they want to actively keep men in the dark as to what is allowed or not allowed.
Not her boss.
Kenneth Haynes he keeps ignoring that fact, doesn't fit the narrative
I feel like the IGN case is her trying to jump in on the accusation train. It does seem like if everything the guy says is true then it seems like a misunderstanding that he cooperated with the requests. People seem to be instantly siding with the women in these cases but listen to the guys perspective as well pls!
oliver mitchell literally no one cares about the guys side
Not even in legal matters
Women get away with rape murder and all manners of illegal activities and always let free no charge or haft the regular guy charge time ;)
Great. Now every man in the office is going to have to ensure they're in the company of at least 2 other people at all times, or hire assistants mostly for "witness protection".
Andrew Adricatico I agree. Its sad but true :( It seems like the guys are always held to double standards. It's okay to sexually harass a man, cause it's "Funny". But when it's a woman, it's a complete outrage.
It really is gross. This all started out with some real harassment. but now it's turned into "a guy hit on me and I wasn't interested so that means he sexually harassed me and I want his career ruined" "also i'm a victim. feel sorry for me" Sounds extreme but I'm starting to wonder if I should flirt with women anymore. I know not all of them are weirdos but still. I'm not the best looking. Does that mean if I flirt with a girl who is pretty that i'm sexually harassing her?
oliver mitchell there is always a certain sexism towards men like oh guys cant hit girls but when girls hit guys it's OK 👌 as a man myself, I find this depressing.
RE: IGN Sexual Harassment: I want to say that how IGN HR handled this is poor and could have been better, and I will elaborate on this later in the post. However, I first want to express how angry, frustrated and paranoid this story has made me feel. I entirely agree with you Phil that sexual harassment is an issue, and a much bigger issue than most people ever realised. Therefore we should take every opportunity to openly support the victims and to correct people we feel are stepping over the line. But, this case is not sexual harassment.
This allegation is so fraught with issues and lacking in so much evidence, that I have no idea why you covered this story. A major issue with this allegation occurs because both parties appear to have been friends, or at the very least comfortable with sharing personal information with each other. Given that it's impossible to know the context and setting in which these comments where made. It's implied that these interactions happened at work, and with out any prior convocation, but given all context is stripped away from them, its impossible to know. What i find telling, as to whether or not this was harassment, is that when Kallie spoke to Vince about his relationship with her (based on the text screen shots, via the unnamed 3rd party) he immediately agreed to give her space even though he didn't know what had done wrong and said he would keep their relationship strictly professional. This was before Kallie went to HR! I think this gives what Vince said, about how he saw their relationship as friends significant weight as well as speaking to his character in general.
Based on this I would perceived what happened to be Vince trying to flirt with Kallie and being rebuffed, at which point he stands down, this interaction then gets blown way out of proportion by it being escalated to sexual harassment. This situation seems to be a commentary on if people are allowed to flirt with people in a work context or not, and given that people spend a large portion of there life at work, asking people to entirely put their feelings on hold seems impractical to impossible. That doesn't mean that people can say whatever they want, but it does mean that someone being attracted to, or simply wanting to friends with someone, and pursuing that is not harassment. Also there is no power dynamic at play here as far as I have found. While Vince was older he isn't her boss or bosses boss etc, then the argument for her being manipulated is that he was older than her, this would imply that people can't be friends with people that are older/younger than they are, which seems very stupid position to take. However, I don't want to call Kallie out for miss representing what happened, her perception of the situation could have been one of harassment and as such IGN should have given her the protection she sort.
This then leads us to the real issue here, Kallie felt harassed at her work place. Harassment or not, her perception of the situation will of course effect her ability to work and exist in that environment. Ignoring how Kallie feels will only lead her to worsening mental health issues, as Kallie expresses in the Kotaku article (she suffered panic attacks). So what should IGNs response been? Investigate the issue and if they find that the harassment doesn't exist, find Kallie a work option that means she doesn't need to speak to or work with the person she says is harassing her. It doesn't have anything to do with if the allegations are true, her perception is that they are true enough for her to speak up and putting her back into that same situation isn't going to help her. Worst is then making her sign a document that says that she is to blame and that if she expresses her feeling again she'll be fired, that is beyond terrible. I feel this is blindingly obvious to anyone who knows anything about anxiety, mental health or general well being. IGN can't simply dismiss how she feels and tell her to buck up and get on with it, that is a terrible stance to have and the real travesty in this case.
In summary, I don't believe this was harassment, as both people seemed to have some form of relationship outside of being just colleagues. At worst this escalated to Vince flirting with Kallie and failing to realise that his attention in that regard was unwanted. But just because a person doesn't know when another person doesn't wish to reciprocate there attention, does not make it harassment. People are not, nor have they ever been, mind readers and if someone misses social queues or body language it does not mean that they ignoring that persons feelings. This case Is not representative of sexual harassment and/or assault we have seen in the news in the last few weeks and lumping it in with those cases both over inflates what has happened here and diminishes what has happened to those other women/men. IGNs response to how Kallie felt about her work place is wrong and what should be focused on, let's not make assumption about who is right or wrong in regards to the people involved, we don't have remotely enough information for that.
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I really question her personality though. She is an attractive girl and men flirting with her would be normal. She probably experiences it all the time. But why Vince?
My experience is that when men flirt at work, normally they are super nice and compliments all the time. I would not count that as a sexual harrassment. They're just being friendly.
The big question is why would she share personal problems with Vince. Every girl knows it's one form of flirting. Sharing problems is what girlfriends are for. You don't normally share it with a guy, it is either you're very comfortable with a guy or you're flirting and wants to open a conversation. She flirted too and I guess that's also the HR's opinion on it. You can't flirt with a guy and then when they reciprocate, accuse them of harassment. She's just riding the bandwagon imo.
About the Zoella thing.. What bothers me it that they put a high price on it and make it seem like a thing that’s really worth the money, that it’s full of neat stuff and a “surprise”.
This is what makes her younger fans want to buy it, simply because they love her and trust that it will be worth the money, and they’ll love anything from her. And the people selling it know that, and that’s crappy of them.
They could make it $100 dollars for the same thing and fans would still be tricked into asking for it for Christmas.
I understand though that the price kinda makes it more exclusive, and that would be fine. What makes it stupid to me though is that they don’t tell you enough of what’s inside, and are fully aware that you may not be happy with it, but are selling it at a high price anyway just cause people will buy them.
"Guys don't like skinny girls. You're perfect" is sexual harassment? Sounds like something you tell an insecure girl who thinks she's too fat.
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These days, calling a girl pretty is considered sexual harassment :/.. I'm not trying to (sorry for my bad English) lessen the accusations that are being made, because every person who has ever committed an act of actual sexual harassment shiuld be prosecuted, but nowadays you can't even say that a girl is pretty anymore, or lightly touch a shoulder because someone is calling them, and it will be considered sexual harassment.... What is happening with society??
Giodinho I mean if a pretty girl wants to be lightly touched or called pretty, then you don’t have a problem.
The bottom line though is that everyone is allowed to have personal boundaries. We all do. We’ve got to listen to each other and care about how our touches and compliments make others feel.
If someone asks you to please not touch their shoulder, and you listen and stop, It’s a small mistake. Not harassment. Harassment is the persistent unwanted advances that make a person feel horrible. You only become a harasser by not caring enough about someone to listen to when they tell you or show you that they don’t like your advances.
By the way, you’re written English is great!
where are you from? i should live where you live. i give up on this country.
People are getting to sensitive. My mom used to brush these "unwanted flirts" of her shoulder like nothing when she was young.
We can debate what are the reasons. If it is this technological advancement that made our lives to comfortable, if it is feminist fear mongering, over protective parenting.... who knows. But if you get psychological trauma from someone touching your shoulder then probably the problem is in you.
the second sunrise But does that mean we should allow anyone's careers to be destroyed for the most minor things??
the second sunrise the problem is she didn't say anything...
Girls need to speak up and set their boundaries.
To give some context to what I’m about to say, I’m a girl:
To me, just from the he said/she said provided it seems like this employee is being a little over sensitive. I wish it was more acceptable and encouraged in our culture to just TALK to the person. I have no problem pulling a coworker aside to talk to them and say “hey, I don’t know if you intended this, but it made me uncomfortable” with a witness or some proof that the conversation happened. If it continues, go to HR for mediation. I also have no problem doing what he did and apologizing to her face.
But we’ve reached this point were everyone is expected to be emotionless, humorless robots. I 100% some things should not be talked about at work, but if we don’t enjoy coming to work at all, then what’s the point. Banter with my coworkers makes my day.
Shadow Stepper I wanted to comment but couldnt find the right words to not insult any victims of this. But this is excactly what i wanted to say. Great comment
wow Thelgors20 just wow! =( I can tell you I deff do NOT "larp" as a man while at work. Why not, instead of hormone therapy, we simply treat EVERYONE with dignity and respect? or is that too hard for you? BTW well said Shadow Stepper - I agree, speak w/co workers in a respectful way and it's amazing the relationships that can be professional and friendly w/o disrespect or intimidation. =)
at this rate when i start work i'm gonna feel like i shouldn't say a thing to women, and god forbid i like someone, do they have any concept how fucking hard it is to be rejected or to be the man in that part of a relationship, and now you can get called out for sexual harassment for flirting or just talking, jesus christ, luckily i haven't encountered anyone this petty. or presumably obviously this isnt the full picture.
expressrobkill It shouldn’t be that hard to just tell a guy “yo, I’m just not into you” and be done with it :( I agree with you. Met my bf though work, he asked me out off the clock just to be safe. No one freaked out.
but you get rewarded for claiming harassment. You get more coverage, you make the company look benevolent when they fire the guy, you get compensation when doing this. At this point companies will have a major issue with team work. Since communication will go down the drain.
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Edit: whoops it figures that the first story would be sexual harassment i swear to god
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