Why Hollywood won't fix its nepotism problem...
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The producers of euphoria recently did a global wide casting call for a show with The Weeknd called “The Idol”. They ended up casting Johnny Depp’s daughter, Lily-Rose. You can’t tell me that out of the tens of thousands of people that applied they could not find a single person.
“She was just the best person for the part!” **shrug**
Lily Rose is such an infuriating case, especially when you compare her to Johnny. Dude really looked all those talented aspiring actors and said "I'm gonna make it even HARDER for you to get where I am".
A lot of the times, for these kinds of things, they only say they’re looking for someone to fit a role, while already having someone specific in mind, if not already chosen, to simply drudge up traffic for whatever film project presented. Or projects in general honestly. Like u get more people talking ab the proj if a portion of these people deceivingly believe they actually have a chance of being a part of it. It’s gross.
Darling, You can't expect the weeknd to rub shoulders with peasants! 🙄
that’s actually so depressing wow
this is why I always liked Jamie Lee Curtis for being honest about the fact that she owes her career to nepotism with Halloween
EXACTLY! And she happens to be talented and likeable, so we've got no beef with her!
Yeah! I watched a show on the making of Halloween and the creators were like "idk who this girl is." then someone informed them of her mom and dad and they said "oh we'd be stupid not to use her"
Luckily she was really talented and perfect for the part but she doesn't parade around saying who her parents are wasn't a huge reason for her success.
Agreed completely.
Oooh, ‘beef’ … is Cow ok with that?
Carrie Fisher used to also be pretty up front and honest about her famous parents contributing to her getting her roles and her using her star wars cred to get roles when she was over forty. I always really respected that.
i remember once watching an episode of Hannah Montana and Miley's like "Dad, there was a one in a million chance you'd become a rock star and you did. there was a one in a million chance i'd become a pop star and i did." and even as a kid i was like. but wouldn't him being a superstar help you??? they start us with this "nepotism doesn't exist" propaganda EARLY.
Maybe that's why they made a whole show about how even though her father was a country star they gave her a stage name and pretended nobody knew who she really was. Just feeding that nepotism with fiction
Superstar? lol. He had ONE hit in the early 90's.
@@SuperSPatrick that hit was enormous.
@@jackdaniels2905 That hit was all he had an everyone was over it after that year.
@@SuperSPatrick and his achy breaky heart just couldn’t take it
People who succeed may be loath to admit this, but I'll tell you who's not afraid to talk about it; people who failed. I work in theater in a midsize American city and in almost every show one of your leads will openly admit "Yeah, I tried to do the Hollywood thing, but I ended up back here. Everybody knows everybody and you have to know somebody to get your foot in the door. I just couldn't pull it off." But nobody wants to listen to the people who failed. They just get accused of being sour grapes.
Survivor bias
Some of the best shows I've seen have be in the local theater in my little New Jersey town. I mean pretty damn close to Broadway quality productions. Hell, the high school in my town, Point Pleasant Boro, puts on stellar shows! I strongly recommend everyone support their local theater. Not once have I walked out of a local show and said, "You know, that was really amateurish. I didn't enjoy myself and it was just...bad."
Don’t even talk theatre in this discussion. On stage, these nepotism kids of Hollywood would be laughed off of it.
Yep! Chicago is littered with astronomically talented people who didn’t have enough savings to make friends in Hollywood before they had to come back to rot in small theatre. It makes for great theatre’, but also a shitpile of broken dreams.
Then again, they in turn are just as cliquey, so it’s hard to feel bad for them.
Why should an entree for a woman who was born with connections I will never have be welcome to me? Just be honest and ban poor people.
Rich people think life is a "meritocracy" because they're competing for jobs...with other rich people. May the best (rich) man win!
Its like a veil of ignorance, I doubt the rich and powerful can see the truth of their success. Also why would they want to? Human ego can only be undercut by a true effort to see ones own short comings and leg ups.
WOWWWW...ya NAILED IT
this comment should be a show. now, whomst shall we cast!? 🤣
Have a rich family. Can attest that my mother regularly says my uncle had to fight hard and prove himself to become the CEO of the company my great grandfather started. She’ll swear up and down that her brother is the hardest working person she knows.
He was up against like 4 of his cousins for the job, lmao. And god forbid he fail and end up as COO or CFO instead. So ridiculous. Meanwhile, his wife raised triplets and put in more hard work in a day than he did over the course of his entire professional career.
@@Katie08822 and this is driving at the crux of the matter. To the rich, life HAS to be a meritocracy to prevent them thinking of the injustice and inequality which has allowed them to get where they are. If it wasn't a meritocracy, why that would mean that poor people are poor through no fault of their own and rich people do not deserve the wealth the have accumulated! If its not a meritocracy then that would imply that the deck was stacked before they started playing the game, and that makes them feel bad. But they're rich! They shouldn't have to feel bad right? RIGHT??? it's the same thing when ghouls like Elon musk (and his posse of bootlicking followers) claim that he built himself up from nothing despite the fact that his father owned a literal emerald mine. Without a meritocracy, the myth of the self made millionaire is laid bare as a falsehood; they start to realise that everyone who got rich did so on the back of the working poor. And that makes them feel bad. So they ignore it and keep on clicking their heels together.
Fun fact: The term "meritocracy" was coined pejoratively by British politician and sociologist Michael Dunlop Young in a 1958 satirical essay which was meant to call out the Myth of Meritocracy.
I guess rich folks heard the word, didn’t read the essay, and thought, “Hmm, yes, I’m going to start using that word to describe my family’s dynasty.”
damn, that's fascinating
(that sounds sarcastic but it genuinely isn't)
@@TaraMooknee I didn’t read it sarcastically lol no worries, BTW those puppy cow jammies are adorable!
There is a really interesting “Reasons to be Cheerful” podcast on this ☺️
hey thanks for pointing that out a lot of people sadly don't know when it was first coined it was intended to be represented as dystopian in nature.
One thing many in the industry also don’t talk about is the immense amount of protection being a nepotism baby has. When you come into the industry as an outsider, you don’t know who to trust. You’re more susceptible to predatory agents, publicists, stylists, etc. And that’s on top of the already predatory directors, producers, casting directors, etc. When you have family in the industry, you’re automatically protected and don’t have to spend time navigating that whole web of people. You have a straight path to people you can already trust, and avoid a lot of the abuse that non-industry people are often subjected to. That in and of itself is a MASSIVE privilege.
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One thing I've noticed from having a former friend who is a child of a well-known parent is that they often don't understand how easy their lives are compared to other people. They genuinely think that other people get lots of auditions. And everyone around them tells them that they earned everything they have because they think that they can have better access by helping the famous person's child. They live in a very entitled well constructed fake world. And if you point it out (like I did) they will cut you off and accuse you of jealousy.
Its def comfy living in that state of denial, they are just trying to silence their sense of morality
Glad u cut them off lmao they are insufferable
@@mmgs1148 I don't think it's like that for many. My parents are rich. I remember when someone told me they make 20.000 and I thought: That's not a lot for a month are they ok. Just to be told they make that in a year. It was completely mind blowing for me. But while I objectively understood that there are poor people and that their life is more difficult because I've been told that. I didn't understand it. It was only after I decided to live on my own when I started attending university without noteworthy help of my parents and losing my part time job due to covid that I realized what it means to worry about paying the bills or what it means to be poor. Most teen movies or other types of media don't feature realistic poverty (if they ever feature poverty at all) it's mostly underdog stories or ugly duckling to swan stories and it's not exactly like I've watched well made documentaries as a kid.
People born into rich families can relate to being poor like most people in the western world can relate to a starving child in Africa. Objectively you know there are children starving in Afrika or Asia. But that doesn't make you realize how precious food is when you grew up with a stuffed fridge and the ability to buy easily food. The children in Afrika are an abstract concept in your mind and even watching a good documentary is not going to make you understand their situation 100%. I mean just look at the food waste western countries have or the amount of sweets and fast food we eat or how many people donate even just 1 or 2€ a month to organizations meant to help. It's pretty clear there is no real appreciation on a wider scale. Yet you most people wouldn't say that people who can quickly go to the supermarket are silencing their sense of morality because there are children starving at the other end of the world.
It reminds me of people who are extraordinarily talented at something saying that they just worked hard (see Richard Feynman claiming that he was an ordinary person who studied hard, even though if you look at accounts of his youth it’s quite clear to the rest of us that he was always far from ordinary). Like, yes, hard work is important, but it only gets you so far. But because they’ve had their gifts (either murky stuff like talent/intelligence or concrete stuff like connections/money) from the start and have never known any different, outliers often really have no idea of how different their experience is from the average or what it’s like not to have their advantages, and sort of implicitly assume that anyone could do what they can if they just tried.
The thing with hollywood nepotism, it gives us a glimpse of what is happening literally on every level. For example Gates, his kids will inherit the win, and continue to push his poison. Same with politics, the kids of Trump with continue his legacy and probably one of them will run for prez in the future.
Emma Roberts is so aggravating (in general lmao but also) on the nepotism point. If she really believes her auntie Julia didn't influence at _least_ her first few big roles, she's absolutely delusional.
Her dad is Eric Roberts (Julia's brother) and he's also a famous actor, so she is like the ultimate nepo baby.
I remember the marketing for her Nick show Unfabulous made it no secret that Julia Roberts was her aunt!
Evan if her family didn't actively did something to help her, her name is roberts, wich had to sound familiar to casting agents and producers
Yeah... She is not that good
i mean... i can't blame her that much. Sure it is simple logic and she should be able to recognize all that but there is always that... who of us knows how these people are risen, how they are taught... I know for myself i always and still live under the fear my mother is what stays behind most of what i see as daily advantage. It reach weird level of paranoia and suspicious I would say. For example how some teachers look on me comparing it to others no matter others just do not and that I do not even live with my mother for years now...
And sometimes i just fall in despair and strong need to believe this is not true. What I mean is... we always should doubt others and ourselves
The other thing is that... it is not fair but what in society is? We look up on them, we push them to a certain corner which we do not even want to recognize we do, we are the peasants ready to burn down the sick rich people if they were just rich... can't stand the truth what we look for in the face of justice that simply does not exist. We romanticizes the struggle comforting ourselves that this can bring some type of equality in a thing we can't change... Our struggles are too simple for them to fix because of the money so we want to see something they can't overcome that easy.
Because no one is ready to make compromise and accept if they do not get everything they want. The celebrities loves their wealth and everything it brings them but are not ready to face the hate of society that comes with it, they want to be the perfect and loved imperators without giving too much and the peasants we are can't live knowing there is someone with better life if we do not see them in regular pain, a price for what we can't have. At the end we both sacrifice more than needed and for good or bad the alternative seems like utopia
Another annoying thing is the whole financial support thing. If your parents are big movie stars and you want to go into acting, your parents will support you financially (AND emotionally--they'll be encouraging and supportive of your "dream") so that you can only focus on acting and not have to get a day job so you can pay the bills (especially since a lot of kids with rich and famous parents have access to trust funds). it's a lot easier to "hone your craft" when you don't also have to work 10+ hours a day at a minimum wage job just so you can meet your basic living needs.
That's not another layer, that's literally what Tara explains in the first half of the video.
I think it would be worse if they grabbed one of those jobs that “pay the bills” leaving another person jobless when they don’t need to work at all.
And that applies to wealth generally.
Very true. In any artistic career it helps to have the backing to help you get through the first time before you start earning. I guess many poor/regular people have to spend too much time on their bread job and give up before their (possible) break through.
@@ygt2813 I think he went to a public school
In my opinion the modelling agency is the WORST impacted. I was working in Harrods a couple years ago and I’ll never forget how when I walked in the luxurious clothes department and saw Kendall and Bella FOR EVERY SINGLE BRAND. Literally YSL, LV, Channel, Balenciaga… The worst part is since it is a department store, they were right next to each other. Imagine walking past 10+ designers store and seeing the exact same two girls posing in their windows. It made me so upset I’m not gonna lie.
they thing with those models, the parents are paying the designer to hire them.
This is why I love Jane Fonda. Because when asked how she got famous or about her early years she always honestly answers "because my father was Henry Fonda". She also said she didn't even want to be an actor initially, but she got fired as a secretary and fell in love with it in the process.
Yes and although I think she's only admitted to some of her surgeries (which is better than admitting to none), in an interview she said something along the lines of "I look this good at my age because I have money" which is honesty that's really refreshing to hear.
Jane Fonda literally can not be bothered, she’s too busy being real
Love her
I hope you also give money to the "Why lie, I need a beer" bums.
@@hannaheve868 also Jane Fonda should never be mentioned without reminding people of how she posed with starving abused POWs. Not okay, idk who you are, Hanoi Jane.
My favorite commentary on nepotism is Jamie Lee Curtis who did an interview for Knives Out and she reflected on her career and said it straight she would not be where she was without nepotism and Hollywood is an exclusive club and she doesn’t want to defend or make excuses for it but she does take her work seriously and is thankful for the work she does.
do you by any chance remember which interview/ video it was?
I've also read an interview where she openly talked about how she got where she was due to nepotism.
@@violetfolgi Hi! It's a piece from The New Yorker. If you search "Jamie Lee Curtis Nepotism" it should be the first result.
@@MsDiMera2 It might have been the same article, but I think she's also verbally talked about it in her Vanity Fair video
@@MsDiMera2 But yeah, I loved the article. It was a refreshing perspective on the "nepotism baby" I always had a prejudice for it but gave me the benefit of the doubt that people can be self-aware and change.
That's one thing I did appreciate about Carrie Fischer is that yes, her mother was Debbie Reynolds but she didn't hide that fact and always tried to honor her mother. Now it looks like her daughter is doing the same.
Yeah, she and her daughter were the first ones that came to mind for me. Also Jamie Lee Curtis.
She actually said it in her books, she didn’t even want to act, but it was the easiest way to get any work at all
Family of Queens
Related to Ryan Reynolds?
Yes, she even talks about it in her comedy show. It’s funny and very interesting because she explains a lot of stuff behind the scene of Hollywood and about her parents. She is very aware of it which makes her able to take a step back and analyses it. She also talks about other stuff like her alcoholism, bipolar disorder, how George Lucas ruined her life (she says it jokingly in the show but I think there’s some truth to it), etc.
Chris Pine is also honest about his benefit from nepotism! When someone interviewed him and asked how he got the princess diaries two roll with only a guest appearance in a soap before, he literally said, “good old-fashioned nepotism.” 😂
@Rachel Forshee but MOST don’t admit it. 4 famous people admitting it does not mean most actors in the industry credit their nepotism.
@Rachel Forshee The majority don't admit it and play coy when asked about the role nepotism plays in getting auditions and roles. Billie Lourd (Carrie Fisher's daughter) admitted to having a personal meeting with Ryan Murphy prior to booking Scream Queens and we all know how she booked her minor role in the resistance in Star Wars. But many of them aren't open. Nicolas Cage changed his last name and pretended he wasn't a Coppola. And there are loads of others who you don't realize have famous parents until it's mentioned in an interview or you look them up.
Bollywood nepotism be like: “This isn’t even my final form”
lmao I kept scrolling through the comments waiting for someone to mention Bollywood!
so true, everyone in bollywood is practically related to each other in some way
@@maytabangin5349 What about Kartik Aaryan?
@@yamyam493 what about Srk, Ayushman khurana, Rajkumar rao, Sidharth chaturvedi, Pankaj Tripathi, Nawazuddin siddique
@@hhhmo7328 it's not about nepotism it's about quality
if you compare jawan with mission impossible you can see difference
I kinda think it's funny that when a "nobody" becomes famous and successful, they will often give a lot of credit to their family for supporting them but someone like Nick Cage pretends his father isn't well known in the business and rich.
Why don't the nepotism kids honor and respect their parents??? Lol like at least thank them for driving you to the audition they got for you.
Because the entrepreneurial spirit and the self-made man are an integral parts of the American dream. And the more sure they are of their own success, the harder they try to server the link to any form of support that would prove otherwise. It's nothing short of a sense of entitlement smdh
What an amazing take, I laughed and I'm nodding internaly
Cute you think they actually drive their own kids. They have servants that do that kind of stuff.
This is such an interesting observation. I think it’s absolutely a defense mechanism. The folks who allowed a relative to help them will never be able to say with perfect certainty that they would’ve made it on their own. They may be truly talented and worthy of their success, but they can’t ever be sure that’s why people love them. It must haunt them.
Nick Cage's uncle is the famous director,Francis Ford Coppola, Nick's father was a literature professor, who was successful in his own right within his field. Though, the whole Coppola family is full of artists, his aunt is Talia Shire, and cousin Jason Schwartzman (all those Wes Anderson movies)
"One: They're actors. Stop asking them to also be writers, producers, directors, costume designers, contortionists." Ma'am, you just won yourself a subscriber with that.
this applies to music too
Well, it's actually a very bad advice. What people mean by that is to NOT WAIT on CHANCE and start doing your own stuff so that people can see your work. You don't HAVE TO DO IT, it's just better than waiting. It will not guarantee anything but still, you are "doing" what you like
Except for veteran actors, they should move on and make space for up and coming actors, like “Dolittle” should not have starred Iron Man and that was just one of the many bad decisions around that movie
This woman is a genius, everything she says is just so succinct and correct.
@@vlogily8043 the greed is insane! Why don’t these uber rich white people help lift up others?
I m an Indian sooo....i was sitting in my history class my professor said " When Bollywood first started all the actors were mostly from the really from the bottom of the society since it was considered a shameful job for both men and women but slowly it became something that was filled with people who belong to only top layer of power dynamics
Musicians were also lowly servants going back 150 years
Very interesting thanks
"People never being able to pursuit their real passions or talents because they've literally got to work to survive"...watching this at work and it hits home. My whole life has been wasted potential. I've done the best I could on my own leading a double life. Thanks for the validation....
I feel the same way as you.
"Nepotism helps more women to access jobs in the film industry."
"Only 4.4% of films were directed by women, etc."
Seems like nepotism isn't doing a very good job. 🤷🏻♀️
And it sucks because women can seemingly only become directors if they're connected to a famous man. Sofia Coppola being the biggest example but more recently the director of the Fear Street trilogy Leigh Janiak married to one of the Duffer brothers and Reminiscence directed by Lisa Joy is married to Christopher Nolan's brother which is even more sexist since it means women's only merits are being connected to men
Just look at charlie's angel😣
No rich woman wants to be a director. Too much work.
well that 4.4% is only for diretoring jobs and doesn't include other positions women got like acting and so on. How this got 1.6k likes surprises me bc the logic doesn't add up. I would say nepotism is doing a great job
The new fashion is each kid of a famous actor is now an actor or model. The series, movies are full of this famous kids. Lily Collins, Maya Hawke, Margaret Qualey, Kristen Stewart, daughter of Cindy Crawford, kids of Arnold, kids of Denzel Washington, kids of Will Smith, kids of Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis daughter's, NOW Lilly Deep, etc etc etc etc...the list is only grow and grow. Seems that nobody of this rich kids have other interest in other careers and take the easy way to be "an actor" with the help or privilege of their parents. The sadly thing is the majority aren't prepared or have studied something related to acting instead many common people study years in academies to pursuit an acting career and they have work like waistress or something hoping an opportunity.
I was quite literally take aback by the brutal honesty of Jane Fonda in the wired interview with Lily Tomlin. As answer to "How did Jane Fonda get famous?" she quite simply said "I was the daughter of Henry Fonda that's How I got famous". it's beautifully refreshing to hear just the honest truth instead of some kind of bullshit. Also: ☕☕☕
You got a link?
one of the reasons i adore jane fonda
was gonna comment this! thank u
tbf, Jane Fonda is old and established enough now to be able to say what she wants. Did she say that when she was young and just starting out? That would be bolder, as it might be taken to infer she had no real actual talent...
I fucken LOVE Jane Fonda
This reminds me of the scandal that occurred when it came to light that several Hollywood babies or kids of wealthy parents were only accepted to colleges here in the US after their parents paid for other people to take their SATs for them or they padded their portfolio so it looked like they were outstanding athletes. The US is all about nepotism when it comes to admittance in universities and colleges. You have legacy students who are admitted because their family went to a school or they donated a ton of money or a building is named after them.
I was so confused by that scandal. People were like “omg I can’t believe these rich and powerful people are using their resources to give their children an advantage over the children of people with less power and influence” like that hasn’t been the status quo for the entirety of human history, lol
@@Aristochronic I wasn’t at all surprised that they cheated and that scandal really revealed the amount of people who also didn’t think that just being in a stable family is a huge step up for things like college admissions. They actually thought the playing field was fair as long as your parents aren’t breaking the law to give you an advantage. Things like having a bed, reliable food, not having to work while also in high school, not even including exclusive private schools as tutors, SAT prep cram courses, and expensive hobbies are all completely legal and still stack the deck.
One of the most confusing and obvious "scandals" of all time. A former B-rate actress paid her child's way into school?! No way! :o
The way the US does College applications is totally different from some other countries, you handle your application, cover letter, some academic docs, it's all too subjective. While in some other countries it's through a written entrance exam, with objective questions, in an anonymizable form of test. A subjective form os application, like cover letter, interviews etc, it's easier for you to pick someone's son to be accepted.
@@yesthatsmycat9919 omg I hate that this not the norm
"They're actors. Stop asking them to also be writers, producers, directors, costume designers, contortionists!" Tara, as an actor- instant subscribe. Literally all the people that say to just make your own work don't understand that's not what I studied and not what I want to do!
It isn't just hollywood that has a nepotism problem, it's just the arts in general. One of my lecturers at film school (i'm a dropout now lmao) would go on and on about starting as a runner and ending up filming all of the large events in melbourne. Turns out his dad was one of the most prolific DOPs in the country and the only reason he got his degree at VCA (one of the most prestigious art schools in Aus) despite failing out of secondary school is because he basically grew up on a film set with his dad.
jumping in as an ex art student from melbourne- the amount of classism and racism in the system is insane. black students are held to such a different standard, and rich students get a free pass for pretty much anything. hate this shit man
the school i went to championed itself as being a historically aboriginal school but there is only white people in the staff. racism goes unpunished. as well as the way it pretended to be accessible to those with learning disabilities when it was one of the least understanding enviroments i had ever been in. ended up getting expelled when i became homeless, as i couldnt get there on time all the time. explained this to staff to no sympathy or even acknowledgement. love the arts!
Yeah, it’s the same in the music industry as well.
I just graduated from VCA with a BFA, can confirm. So many kids with successful parents basically get drooled over by professors lmao
Honestly same with most industries unfortunately. I’m a scientist and it happens constantly
that pro nepotism article and Lena’s defence are so mind boggling tone deaf - even for Lena Dunham, and THATS saying something.
it’s her total disregard of the fact that she made it to where she is and was able to make her first short film at 21, it premiered at Tribeca, and then got to pitch an incomplete script to HBO and thought she got all of those opportunities based on her “natural talent” and not her parent’s connections🙃
@@camdenhunt7565 More like Lena Dumbham
@@DreamItCraftIt she should legally change her name to that
@@brib6046 🤣
I tried to be an actor briefly. One of the hardest steps is just getting to meet an agent to be chosen to be represented. Most agency discourage you from showing up, calling or anything to their office. That is one of the biggest hurdles to take acting from a hobby to a job. So like you said just getting to sit and meet an agent to get a chance to audition is a big step. That most people don’t get to bypass especially if you are a minority.
I tried my hand at acting when I was young and I even felt the effects of nepotism without having parents in the entertainment industry. I only got myself an agent because my mom’s friend from high school knew one, and with her help I got a few roles on TV. So for these people to say nepotism had nothing to do with their success is just a flat out lie. Definitely one of the worst feelings is seeing that on an upcoming actor or musicians Wikipedia page that their parents names are blue.
Literally
I loved that nepotism article.
Saying that nepotism is good because women sometimes benefit from it is like saying the monarchy is woke because there's a queen.
God, 'The Atlantic'...
that's "girl boss" feminism for you.
The funny thing is, those same women in power will stop at nothing to tear down working class women and make their lives miserable. Female conservative politicians are a prime example.
hilarious
@@decoraqueena6413 Liberation of any kind never serves the interests of the powerful, regardless of gender.
Weirdly enough, woke feminism never makes me feel empowered. It usually makes me pissed off and embarrassed.
And, yes, I happen to be a conservative-leaning woman who hates being told I only think the way I do because I'm brainwashed by the patriachy so do what we tell you without question. I'm not stupid people.
Another quite hillarious one is Léa Seydoux (the latest french James Bond Girl). She claimed in media owing her career to her hard work alone, claiming to be insulted at the suggestion she benefitted from nepotism. She failed all schools she went to, even failed her 3rd grade (age 15) diploma. But her grandpa is the owner of the biggest french film production home (Pathé) and biggest theater owner. His brother (so her great uncle) works for the second biggest film production company (Gaumont). She grew up drowning in the millions of her parents, who own various stocks in petroleum companies and sports clubs (a collossal business in Europe). She said, quote translated "I never grew up in a bourgeois setting. It was the life of an artist, a bohemian life". and "my grandpa never lifted a finger for me". She currently is vice-president of aforementionned company, while her cousin is ceo of the second one. For context, she grew up in the 6th arrondissement of Paris, with Louboutin as a personal friend. That's like somebody living in a villa in Beverly hills saying "it's quite a modest setting, I see the poor people sleeping on the beach when I prune my palm trees".
Bohemian lifestyle 😂 these people are insane
Thank you elaborating on this!! I was totally ignorant
Yes, and she is also a descendant of Guizot who was a famous French politician during the 19th century. Nepotism in this family is a tradition.
Note; pathe is also the biggest cinema franchise of the netherlands. Which is a whole 'nother country added into their milions
This made me cry 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As an actor who has zero connections, went to school for my work, and has been busting my ass just to try to get work, the high concentration of nepobabies just frustrates the hell out of me. Thank you for speaking on this
I think the nepotism is clearly seen also in stories. Like JJ Abrams (son of Hollywood people) choosing to make Rey Palpatine's granddaughter, because no way could there be a force-sensitive 'nobody', just like Luke before her, it is all genetic, see?? and all the superhero movies have this weird thing where everything is bloodlines and that gives you power. I don't think they're aware of it, but it just bleeds into their stories.
And that "bloodline" fetish is eerily reminiscent of fascist ideology...
It's not really weird at all. It's entirely human and normal. That doesn't mean it's good... but bloodlines being important legit just make sense when you think about how human philosophy has shifted over 1000s of years.
Is it that deep?
@@snazzydrew Yeah, centuries ago (and still today, but less so) your family lineage was the most important thing in your life. Even in the medieval ages, the book “Beowulf” has a whole theme about your family IIRC. And Christianity talks about ancestral sin.
I never thought about that…wow
This is why I don't have a problem with influencers being invited to the Met Gala or starring on tv shows. People complain they're just a pretty face and didn't "earn" it but almost none of your fav celebrities "earned" it either babe.
I think the same!!! most of them are middle class who be able to find their own way to get famous! why would people need to gatekeep so bad??? As if hollywood industry is a royal family or something...
yes like what did hailey bieber do to deserve being there?
This right here! I always found it so haterish to not want influencers at met gala
Wait what? Do people who love nepokids not love these influencers? I thought they did for some stupid reason.
A lot of influencers are also children of rich and connected. It’s already become an arm of Hollywood.
I loved the Bo Burnham interview where he was asked what advice he had for kids who wanted to be comics and are recording videos in their bedrooms like he did as a teenager. He very frankly said (paraphrasing) “I got very lucky. Don’t use me as a blueprint for success. Taylor Swift telling you to follow your dreams is like a Powerball winner telling you to invest in lottery tickets.” I feel like the people who made it in without those connections are the people who will be the most honest about how difficult it is, even for people with incredibly privileged upbringings.
This. As someone with very tame creative success, I feel like it's my duty to yell about my luck and tell people to become an electrician just in case. Working your ass off is no sure thing.
I love him
You can so often tell that successful comedians are so much more intelligent than actors or singers.
Real question, does Taylor Swift 's parents are in the entertainment industry??
yes. her parents basically bought the record company she signed with if I remember correctly. The woman is a legend, no doubt, but she had A LOT of help at the beginning
I hate hate hate nepotism. People who deserve it can’t be seen and that’s so painful
Its also sick that when non-nepo babies get recognized, their hard work and determination gets them painted as being overbearing, obsessive, and even creepy. Makes me think of the profile written about Jeremy Strong that essentially made fun of his decades of hard work and attempts to find connections
Sport - In theory the ultimate meritocracy - is surprisingly nepotistic too.
Almost like we live in a society or something.
the 4 hazard brothers all play soccer at least 2 of them are a part of the Belgium national team.
@@potato5602 Yeah, and nobody would suggest that you can maintain that level without working really hard and being naturally talented. I don't know too much about the Hazards outside of Eden, but the people I was thinking about in the English game (your Lampards, your Rednapps) benefitted from getting into the best acadamies and junior teams at 4 or 5 years of age (there's a similar problem with drama schools mentioned briefly in the video too), the educational advantages start really young in some cases, and those just aren't options avalable to most people. To say nothing of just growing up ensconced in the industry (certainly not always a good thing for the individual child, in terms of mental health and wellbeing, etc.).
But it's complicated and morally fraught, in general people like to emulate their parents: kids of doctors become doctors, the children of carpenters are more likely to become carpenters, Parents will generally encourage their kids to develop the skills that will make them proficent in those fields and not others. Conciously in some cases subconciously in others. As the video points out it's important to acknowedlge that phenomena exists, even if there's not anything obvious to do about that fact, just simply acknowledging a bias exists makes you less suspeptable to it.
I guess it doesn't always work out that way though 'cos on the other hand you can get an Alan Carr from time to time.
And weirdly enough the medical field too
I don't know much about sport but I'm sure many there are people who have a lot of natural talent for sport can't pursue it because they can't afford training etc. also things like sports/acting see very few people succeed so many talented people may not want to pursue those careers because they need a safer option to support them and their family. unfortunately pursuing the arts/sports is a luxury
This made me think about F1, where it is absolutely impossible to get into racing at all, let alone make your way into F1 if your family isn't eyewateringly rich
In German we call nepotism “Vetternwirtschaft” which directly translates to “cousin-economy” (Vetter being a very very old word for cousin) and I think that sums it up pretty well.
Interesting fact
this makes me wanna learn german lol
It is more Like "Cousin Business"
You know that nepos means cousin or grandson??
@@Mukkki Nephew/niece/granson/granddaughter.
one of the funniest things i have seen on twitter to this day is Valter Skarsgård, son of Stellan Skarsgård and brother to Bill Skarsgård, Gustaf Skarsgård and Alexander Skarsgård, denying the existence of nepotism and saying "my dad has never given me a job". How are people so very blind to what they are in the midst of?
The class issue you brought up with the British actors drove me insane when Fleabag blew up. Even though I understand Americans don't have the context to realize that the poshest accent in the world and a double-barrelled name SCREAM that you never had to worry about money in your life. Girls without connections can't found a theatre company at 22 and put on a one-woman-show before 30 because they NEED TO WORK TO SURVIVE
Shit, Phoebe is rich??? I didn’t know that 🤦🏽♀️
@@caraboo6812 a lot of British actors come from wealthy families that are lords, politicians attending private schools…….
@@caraboo6812 James McAvoy spoke about it in an interview once, that actors in the UK like him (who did not come from money), are REALLY rare.
@@caraboo6812 She's still a fantastic writer/actor. But essentially...yeah lol.
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It’s weird how the article tried defending nepotism by saying “it gives female creatives opportunities” which kinda just sends me the idea that a) they think women need dependant help to create and b) the only way women can create is if they already have this rare privilege. It just sounded patronizing to me :p
Maybe you should express yourself more respectful about the article
@@Ryan-pg1tw ?? What do you mean
The article read like it was written by someone who got their job through nepotism and they are grappling with privileged guilt that we live in a socio-economic hellscape where meritocracy is only a lie the rich tell themselves so they can sleep at night.
@@Ryan-pg1tw how about no.
I always am mildly surprised if I Google a famous actor and it turns out their parents were engineers or teachers or something out of the industry or not owning some massive conglomeration. Or if their siblings are all living normal lives out of the spotlight. It’s sad how refreshing that is. It makes me like them more though
Uma Thurmans grandma has a statue of her. Uma Thurman is also a direct descendent of German royalty. I feel like nepotism aside having enough money in your family to just do what you love and never have to worry about personal finance is enough to really push someone forward into their career. I’d be doing exactly what I want if i never had to worry about money a day in my life.
The fact that actors think nepotism means just being handed roles rather than just being successful in the industry AT ALL tells you all you need to know
reminds me of people who don't think white privilege exists..
HUGE facts.
I feel like a prime exemple of obnoxious nepo baby is Lily Rose Depp, in an interview she said "she has it harder then anyone who's not a daughter/son of because she has to work twice harder in order to prove she deserves her place" even thought she got casted straight away without auditioning multiple times : in an itw Louis Garrel (the director of a faithfull man) said as he was writing the script he was thinking of lily and just called her to offer her the main role, her first role was in a movie directed by his dad's best friend etc ... she's not a bad actress, she's average .. those rich nepo kids are so disconnected , to say you're working twice harder when you never had to work a minimum wage job in order to survive while trying to get auditions.... and they are surprised we except them to deliver phenomenal performances since everything where handed to them !
also a reason why i wouldn't watch the netflix show "maids" ,margaret qualley the super nepo baby trying to emulate what's in like to be lower class is unbearable to watch, it's the whole point of acting i know, but still unwatchable knowing in between two days of shooting that she attended the met gala dressed by chanel it's so cynical lol
They have this sense of entitlement that drives me crazy
Someone who didn’t have the same opportunities or connections as her would have to work just as hard if not more to get the auditions and roles that are handed out quite freely to her. What she’s really saying is she has to work just as hard as someone who started out from nothing to prove that she deserves it, or else she really wouldn’t deserve it, and we’d have the right to talk trash about her.
Nepotism - one of the many daggers in the back of creativity in films today. Thank you for touching on this .
It is so sad that there is someone out there that can bring diversity and novel creative ideas to Hollywood, but that spot is being taken by an actor's relative who is bland af
AMEN 🥰🥰
I always loved JJ Abrams backstory of "I was just a little kid obsessed with movies, man and that's how I got here." then you read his family connections and it's like ohhhhhhh, I see.
There's nothing I hate more than watching a show/film and being like "this person is so ill-suited to this character, and doing a generally bad job", only to find out that they're a nepo-baby. Amazing vid as per usual!
so i googled her, and wtf her mom was in coranation street!!
And Lena's excuse seemed to be that because her mom is an artist, rather than someone in the entertainment industry, she didn't benefit at all from her connections. Like, anyone in the art world knows that if you achieve the level of success of someone like Laurie Simmons, you are regularly making connections/networking with power players in other fields, including (probably especially) the entertainment industry. She likely has major collectors in entertainment.
No wonder I thought throughout all Bridgeton serie that Daphne's actress was the weakest in the cast, very bland acting. And though the character wasn't that interesting to begin with, some actresses are able to put more personality to their roles, but not her in this case.
Honestly at this point I would be surprised if I heard Lena Dunham say something insightful. She's peak white feminist.
Yup!! Also that Emma Roberts impression is exactly how I expect her to sound 😭😭 I used to like her well enough but with her past actions & words she seems to be ... a bad person
I can’t remember where but I read about this recently, almost all british actors went to private schools costing like £45k a year! Only seen it called out by people like John Boyega and Daniel Kaluuya as they’re working class and got help along the way and want to give back to other working class actors
I think you're talking about Sylvia Young's school, which is about 9k a term. The BRIT also has many famous alumni and is free. Most stage schools are expensive though. Speaking of Boyega, he attended an acting school (identity acting school) designed to improve opportunities for minority actors so some people in the industry are working to address inequality in education for actors (though this school is still expensive).
@@MadameCorgi yeah I have friends who went to Brit, but most don’t make it as far as the rich kids, and I saw a list, it’s not just the acting schools, it’s their primary and secondary education that’s expensive too (from 10 to 50k or so)
Yep. Just like how the schools in the hood are rated D or F.
Studies have shown if the lower income/poor had more access to higher rates middle schools, high schools, etc. there's less mental health issues, higher graduation numbers, better grades, and so on.
Yet it hasn't changed.
It frustrates me because I see so much potential in my children & others in my neighborhood, but they're not able to show their talent because of the lack of extracurriculars, lack of money to get into stuff like that, and generally being held back by society because you're disability, poor or both.
Black, White, Hispanic deserve the same rights as middle class, upper middle class and up.
Obviously, you have to work hard for something as well, but I think many understand the gibberish I just wrote lol
Much love to everyone ✨💛✨
@@BeyondBrii all the way from Kindergarten. see that is why i admire Kaluya and Boyega , its so few of them in there . they started super super small and got the smallest opportunity .
Gemma Arterton also talked about it in regards to having a "middle class" accent and stuff, also Kaya Scodelario
I recently just moved out of West LA (native east coaster) and of course, met more aspirating actors and artists than I had ever encountered back home.
Man oh man was it sobering to watch people slowly give up on their dreams after having once been so enthusiastic to “work” for that big break. There’s definitely a “it’s who you know” philosophy that everyone was aware of, but most of the people I met just saw it as making friends or networking. They were completely oblivious to the blood ties that actually ended up making the biggest difference in someone’s career. Just being friends with someone in the industry wasn’t really enough.
One of the latest and most glaring examplesmof nepotism (for me): Lily Depp being a Chanel ambassador and Netflix actress,Lourdes (Madonna's daughter) becoming a model,Louisa Jacobson (Meryl's daughter) getting a major role in HBO series
"Grass doesn't grow on trees" is the most magnificent phrase I've ever heard.
True, mind you there is a plant called The Grass Tree which is neither grass nor a tree. (Native to Western Australia, properly known as the balga and quite a fascinating plant).
@@Etsba_ Australia is really the best country. I wanna visit so badly.
I think there's still an issue even when nepotism is recognised. When most people in the industry know each other's family and have similar backgrounds, there is an obvious lack of diversity which means there's a lack of different perspectives on their works. This is why films and tv struggle with reflecting the diversity of the society they are trying to appeal to.
This video has made me think of the term "Hollywood royalty" and how, in the same way dynasties have suffered due to the lack of genetic diversity in their blood, Hollywood suffers from a form of "cultural endogamy"
their realism often feels like cosplaying
yes!!! theres something about thw specific examples of those two actors from that after movie tara mentioned -both of them feel like they look like a dozen other actors. they have such bland CW-pretty faces that i wonder how anyone manages to recognize them
Wow, that last sentence, i might have to steal that for an essay, phenomenal take!
@@eggo9543 feel free to quote, although you may want to check if someone else has come up with the term "cultural endogamy*
@@sandras.papallona1730 definitely will!!
This reminds me of when Stephen king wrote books under the name Richard bachman just to see if they would sell wildly without his name and they weren't popular until that name got leaked.
I’ve worked as a production assistant on a few very well-known Netflix shows that film in Atlanta and it is no secret that the majority of the crew got their jobs not by any sort of application process, but rather who you know. People are with years of experience take a backseat to the boy fresh out of college who’s dad is on the crew as well. At this point, it’s not even annoying because it’s expected.
Whoaaa
My best friend from high school Alyssa Latson was being looked at by the producers of Stranger Things and was considered for the role of Robin (in season 3), she was able to audition but they gave it to Maya Hawke, the daughter of Uma Therman and Ethan Hawke. Nepotism is alive and well in Hollywood.
As much as I love Maya and can't imagine Robin as anyone else, to this day I still have the feeling that the role should go to someone else
I'm so sorry... This was such a big chance for your friend... If she's still looking for roles or ever does, I hope this doesn't happen...
this is so sad :(
And I think Mayas brother will be playing in the new season this is so crazy
Big yikes.
Part of it also can be if you have a famous relative or come from money you can take the time to hone your craft. You don't have to work two jobs to make rent and hope you get off to go to auditions.
Yeah, I think by the last show of series Beverly Hills 90210, Tori Spelling could sorta, kinda act ........ a little.
What magnifies the hold that nepotism has and a pet peeve of mine is seeing the same “top” actors staring in so many roles.
Jane Fonda was asked how she got famous in an interview and she literally just said “My dad was Henry Fonda that’s how I got famous” so I guess she could be a honest example of nepotism
One of the most overlooked components of nepotism is laziness. Do you put the effort into finding the best person for every part of a project, or do you get someone from your social circle (who are all likely industry brats)?
Parasite (korean movie)
Hmm... Sia's movie where she cast a family friend as a disabled person cz the disabled actor "couldn't handle it"?
It's not laziness in casting. It's about not wanting to spend time indoctrinating a newbie to the expectations and silence implicit in the industry. Kids that grow up being taught to comply know better than to know better.
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@@maebandy this is a good point
This is a thing in a ton of industries, for instance in alot of bars, the managers/owners inherited their roles or the bars themselves, the supervisors r their friends and the minimum wage staff do all the duties and have alot of responsibilities and can work 10-20 years in a place and never be considered for a supervisory role because the manager and/or owner always knows someone who needs a favor.
Footnote: the idea that "positive thoughts" will bring you success which has become so common in the zeitgeist is usually espoused by people who were already basically guaranteed success from birth. For example, I have a friend whose father gave him THREE restaurants and he's always going on about how his success is all thanks to his "positive mindset"...
It's easy to have positive thoughts if you don't have to worry about money, and especially if failure isn't going to ruin you.
Wow 😭🤣👌
It’s *the secret* … The (brainwashing)power of the “law” of attraction.
EXACTLY!! Some people don't realize how privileged they truly are.
Oh yeah, I hate this ''positive thoughts'' BS.... Nauseating
It was a struggle to watch this and not explode. My childhood dream was to move to Los Angeles and become a film director. Instead I wasted my 20s working in an office to help my family live in the same place I have always lived and felt guilty for wanting something different.
Thank you for bringing up class!!
I studied Performing Arts and Musical Theatre in college and in my second year it became unbearably classist. I was competing with kids who had pianos in their homes, who already had small roles in the West End.
I was one of 4 working class students, 2 of which got bullied off the course. I very nearly quit, but I stuck with it out of spite.
The frustrating thing is....my dad is an actor. But he's so afraid of being accused of nepotism that if I'm involved in anything adjacent to his work, he refuses to either talk to me directly or just not tell people I'm his daughter.
He even came to one of my plays to scout young actors for his new talent agency. So....at least other people got to benefit from my industry connections...
your response to lily collins quote was spot on. they feel that it didn;t help bc everyone else had connections. the talented nepotism kids make it through. they don't consider how the talented poor or average people never get a shot.
People like that don’t even *think* about those people as people. They see them as “the help.” :(
@Elluminals Amy Shumer is a perfect example. A very poor comedian but still has a career, even after she stole jokes from other people.
@@loverrlee Don't think we can generalize like that though.
The thing about Lily is....she's so boring. I can't talk shit about Laura Dern, Jeff Bridges or Jamie Lee Curtis. But nepo babies like Lily? Yawn.
Who is her connection, Chuck Schumer?
I think we should also point out that this exists in general corporations as well. Billionaires don't just become billionaires by being tech geniuses working on old computers in their garage with nothing but a few dollars in their pockets. They get money from their parents, which is often gotten through exploitation of marginalized groups. If I see one more person defending Elon Musk by talking about what a self-made genius he is, I'm going to lose my mind.
I can’t even imagine myself defending the billions of taxpayer dollars going into his sorry ass every day. He recently wrote a sinister tweet about Bernie Sanders because Bernie wanted him to pay his taxes. He is a walking, talking jerk.
@@charisma-hornum-fries you mean the "I keep forgetting you're still alive" tweet?
Or Bezos's parents giving him a couple hundred thousand, clearly you have money if you can invest that much in your kid's endeavor. You need money to make money a lot of the time, and we like to ignore that a lot of successful people come from money. Then people scream, "but they took risks!", yea, because they could. If Amazon didn't work out, Bezos could have gone back to making good money doing what he was doing before, he could have lived with his parents who clearly have money, etc. Someone of limited means taking a risk means they could end up homeless or unable to feed themselves. People will just bend over backwards making excuses for these people because they want to believe that could be them when it can't be, not without the money and connections.
The Elon musk thing blows my mind every time I hear it 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you. Every politicans kids for example. Look at Hunter Biden?! He's a literal woman abusing crackhead who destroys everything he touches with receipts to prove it all. He still is handed huge companies to run and make money off when he should be in jail!
I feel like the older generations of Hollywood nepotism recipients are far more open and honest about it. Not just Jeff Bridges, but Liza Minelli, Drew Barrymore, Robert Downey Jr, etc. They know and acknowledge that they were "born into" stardom.
I don't begrudge the "I grew up on film sets, so it was the only thing I knew" mentality. People like Max Landis and Lena Dunham genuinely think they've proved themselves outside of their parent's influence and that's just pathetic.
Another thing is medical school. To be a doctor (at least in America), you have to shadow doctors, get recommendations, volunteer at hospitals, etc. all stuff that would be way easier if you knew doctors and lived close to a hospital. They also help with the application process, what kind of volunteering and shadowing would get you in the program you want, etc. it was practically impossible to sort through with no doctor relatives.
Literally everything under capitalism is nepotism. Before capitalism it also was reality, but the difference was that they never claimed it wasn't, it was "gods will". Now, it's a worldwide schizophrenia, a delusion everyone has that such things don't exist anymore, when it's the same but with everyone being deluded about it
I will also say there’s something offensive about watching people who’ve grown up in gated communities, flying first class and going to private schools attempt to act real world situations, let alone as poor or working class people.
At least Julia Roberts still has faint memories of being a waitress to draw on, you know?
It annoys me that all high school based movies/shows are based on high schools of 50 years ago because that's the last generation that went to a regular school.
Jim carrey lived in a caravan
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 ditto
How is it offensive? It’s called acting. Do you think actors who have or have had cancer are the only ones who should play cancer patients? Only people who are descended from royalty can play royalty?
I understand being frustrated with nepotism but being offended by literally the whole point of acting is laughable.
its literally their job
As someone who works in the film industry, I can say with 100% certainty that is not about talent whatsoever. It's about getting money thrown at you. You couldn't believe the amount of talented people you've never heard about. It's even easier to not be talented and to please executives or gatekeepers than the opposite, I would argue, because good work shakes the status quo and that bothers powerful people. By the other hand, they love people who look like them, who they can abide and relate to.
When I tried to be a filmmaker (sci-fi, horror and mythological films was what I wanted to do) a producer's daughter told me straight up "You're a young black guy with lots of great ideas, you'll be lucky if you get a small black comedy sitcom to help write" when I was 19 my senior year, told me all I needed to know
Unrelated but u look fine asf, king 👑
@@thepubknight6144 self-fulfilling prophesy though, right? They're trying to keep you out by telling you straight-up "you don't have a place here".
@@jaimes6152 Yes if they can stop you from even trying or getting in and possibly learning any industry secrets you can learn to start your own thing like Tyler Perry they will resort to it as the first line of defense/gatekeeping.
@@thepubknight6144 This breaks my heart honestly. I always wonder how art would be if these "industries" allowed talented people to use their creativity to the fullest extent
Its only a problem for us poors, the rich dont see being born privileged and abusing those privileges as a prob
Even though Katherine Langford is more internationally known for her movies, Josephine Langford actually started acting before her and apparently has quite a acting career in Australia, even though the After movies were her first Hollywood production. I wouldn't necessarily say, that Josphine got the part through her sister Katherine. But yes nepotism also applys for the Langford family, their parents are hella rich and they both had huge advantages. And the name recognition thing is true for both of them.
This reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere “Rich people are always encouraging people to live healthier lifestyles because all they do is wake up in their mansions and workout.” Those same people are constantly talking about how hard they worked to get to where they are or fabricating rags to riches stories to appeal to the very same people they probably will never understand or relate to.
This actually makes me angry because I am a writer and literally every single writer I look up to has wealthy parents and/or went to a very prestigious university, so they either have the connections or the money to spend hours on their work.
I haven’t touched my manuscript in weeks because I’m exhausted from work and trying to keep my head above the water that is life. And what makes me even more upset is that sometimes the books aren’t even written well.
So much this.
Rich people who pretend they were ever working class (which is ALOT of them) is my pet peev. Its insulting
Ah yes, the "I got my life together by building an at home gym and having daily sessions with a personal trainer".
Yes, yes. Easyyyy.. /s
YAAAASSS! I saw they are making Station Eleven series on HBO. The book was terribly written IMO and it recieved awards. Like wtf I could've written that.
Find a rich husband.
Really funny seeing Ben Stiller make those arguments when he's the son of super iconic actor duo Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara
Sounds like a chip on the shoulder.
My life truly changed when i read that tweet that said "google any celebrity and their parents' name will appear in blue"
The class issue is a huge one in stand up comedy. I know some very successful comedians who are extremely talented and hard working but also they never needed a day job because their parents payed their rent, bought them plane tickets to travel to international festivals, and paid for the legal fees for them to get their green cards. The formula for success in the arts is generally hard work/talent + luck. Money can't buy talent and it definitely takes hard work to make sure that when you get those lucking opportunities you're able to take advantage of them, but you can definitely pay to get more of those opportunities.
Wow it's wild that you're talking about this bc it has been on my mind a lot and NO ONE has. They try to sell you this "rags to riches" dream and even perpetuate classism and "I worked for everything I have." But do you KNOW how many people I found out this month are literally just Hollywood royalty? I mean modeling used to be a prestigious genetic thing, and now the three top models are Bella, Gigi, -& Kendall who all three BOUGHT their faces. Like what 🤦 make it make sense
@@bluepanther1013 she's certainly the most natural of the bunch but has absolutely had slight alterations. Her jaw, nose and cheeks are all different, more refined. I'm not against plastic surgery, & all of them look great. But there is literally a quote from some thinkswhotheyare designer that says "I don't appreciate models who have that face that literally anyone could buy." And then puts Bella right in his runway 💀 like, y'all ain't even slick anymore, you're just tacky.
@@bluepanther1013 makeup doesn't make the bulbous tip of your nose magically disappear. I'm sorry that you believe the PR 💀
sensei aishitemasu talks about it all the time. She had a live discussion talking about how a lot of actors come from wealthy families who recommended them for roles and even paid for their careers. Like Benedict Cumberbatch being super crazy wealthy and his family historically owning a bunch of land and enslaved people. Which is why so many Black people with roots in the Caribbean having the last name Cumberbatch. Or Emma Stone’s wealthy dad. Also there’s been a big discussion about Billie and Fineas Eilish and their established parents.
every famous model in the past 40 years has had at least some plastic surgery. Though your point still stands that bella, gigi and Kendall are all nepotism babies.
Gigi has never had any plastic surgery lmao
I think most actors who have benefited from nepotism tell us they're only there because they are the most deserving because they are so desperate to believe that it's true. They convince themselves that they deserve their position because they have their own talent, but secretly they know they're taking opportunities from talented people with no name recognition.
Like, what makes you think you're the best actor for a role if you didn't audition for it?
Or even if they DID audition. Like she said in the vid, the hardest part is getting into the audition. I love when people say that some crappy actor was the best one for the part, when they’re not even the right race. Meanwhile, someone I was in my BFA program would have killed in that part. But my classmate couldn’t get an audition
This. I think their worldview would crumble if they figured out who got them where.
Look genius, stabilished actors don't make castings at all.
@@jeyneo.8924 look genius, there are more than “stablished” actors involved in projects. And how do you think people get “stablished” in the first place? They have access to auditions earlier in their career.
@@rachelmdiamond Of course genius and once they do it and get a important part you have projects without auditioning. Maybe because you are a director's fetish actor, maybe because someome saw you in a project... Saying you are not fitted because you didn't audition is stupid. They cast you because of that exactly.
what nepobabies seem to think nepotism privilege is: every single role you get is directly because of your famous relative(s) getting it for you
what nepotism privilege actually is: having your famous relative(s) get you 1 role, which opens the door for you to get yourself more. having easy access to advice from seasoned professionals. not needing to worry about the financial implications of pursuing acting. the list goes on
Not really but nice try lib
ace trainer_zack not a lib but nice try edgelord
I feel like Schitt's Creek is a great example of a collabration between family members that become sucessful and thus creating breakout stars like Dan Levy. As father and son it really highlights their dynamic and even his sisters role does not seem like some calls were made to include her but it seemed like it was fit for that actor.
It's extremely soul crushing. I was accepted into the best acting school in the US. They gave me a scholarship and told me that my acting was good enough that I didn't even need the education for it (I wanted to go because it was the only way to get into the film industry especially when you're not from the USA (me)). I couldn't go because if was way too much money even if I had the scholarship and it just breaks my heart to hear that I have the talent and the face and the entertainment aspect of the job, but I just don't have the money/connections for it. Like how heart breaking is that, it literally almost drove me into pure nihilism because money will always triumph talent.
Aaah just ranting my sorrow away :(
i’m so sorry you don’t deserve that. i hope one day i will see your name on the big screen if there’s a twist of fate.
I get what you feel. It’s absolutely soul crushing. There’s not one celeb today that doesn’t have some form of a connection
I’m so sorry! Please continue to perfect your craft…I hope your time comes!
I’m sorry and I wish you the best
if moneys tight: most big theatres will have a free/pay what you can evening for their shows. and try to get an agent. think about joining the union later down the road.
Jumping in my seat when you mentioned how many British A-listers went to Oxbridge! It's not even just that privately educated peeps are wildly overrepresented (they are), it's that this tiny group of specifically the most elite boarding schools (Eton, Harrow, St Pauls, etc.) come up again and again!! See Eddie Redmayne, Tom Hiddleston, Benedict Cumberbatch, Rosamund Pike, etc etc ad nauseum. And it's absolutely the same in the music industry to. But no-one just ever bloody admits it because our society relies on pretending class mobility exists and eltism isn't a problem!!
Chris Eccleston and James McAvoy are both really vocal about how the industry has increasingly closed ranks on working class actors over the last 2 decades as funding for community drama programmes and scholarships is seen as a frivilous luxury instead of a necessity. The days of Sir P Stew coming from a dirt poor family in Jarrow to a knighthood are long effing gone. We live in an oligarchy and it just boils my piss.
Wait didn't Rosamund attend badminton and the tuition per semester is five thousand pounds - seven thousand pounds??? (Imo that's cheap and not really an "elite" school)
@@ailsa7471 Most ordinary people couldn't afford to spend £15,000-£21,000 on their child's school fees.
"boils my piss" I love that 🤣 I'm American but I'm going to adopt that phrase
@@hannahwebster5606 no, what I meant is, is that I don't think badminton is an "elite" school bc for that tuition fee it's kinda too cheap to be one. The average tuition for an "elite" school is around 20 thousand pounds a minimal and that's before dormitory which is around five thousand pounds, which is way overpriced (and no hate to badminton and the students attending, it's a rlly good school)
Made me think of when Adele was on Graham Norton and asked the other actors, who were talking about who they went to school with, if those were all private schools :D
Not just entertainment. I worked for an organization and found out that the intern was making the same salary as me as a full-time employee and he was only working part-time. I saw his resume and discovered that he just graduated from undergrad and had no work experience. Meanwhile, I had years of experience. Out of curiosity, I invited him out for drinks to learn more about him and it turned out that his dad is the Dean at an Ivy League law school. It all made sense.
Nepotism set aside, it really bothers me how some celebrities claim to come from poverty (the oh so common "my family didn't have much
money so blablabla insert whatever relatable childhood anecdote" ) and then you google them and learn that daddy's a lawyer, mom's an architect and they grew up in Manhattan or something like that... They very insidiously try to make upper middle class equate with poor and hope it will go unnoticed so they can have all the sympathy people usually get when they do come from poverty and hustled their way to the top. It might be nothing but it makes m'y skin crawl everytime.
The fact that the Bitchfield sign is in front of a field makes it even better
An example of nepotism backfiring (literally) in Hollywood is the girl hired to be in charge of the weapons on Alec Baldwin's set had no experience, and she had been caught being careless in the past.
do you know what her connections were?
@@kaylamolkner4253 she was the daughter of a famous exhibition shooter and armorer. She had only done one armor job before this movie but was the head of this one.
@@VictoriaWhitlock that’s so horrible ew
what the FUCK? that makes the case ten times worse somehow
??? I hope she goes to prison for gross negligence???
This is so true, specially when you're one of the people with no connections trying to enter the industry. I'm from a 3rd world country, and against everyone's advices I decided to major in cinema. The only people who graduated with me who are now employed are the ones who literally paid to create their own "studio" and could afford real equipment or the one's who had parents who already worked on the industry. You can't even get a low level job paying you the minimun wage if you don't have connections, and everyone I know who are just like me are literally struggling to live, and literally it doesn't matter how many awards we get on low budget film festivals, it will never be enough. They say you must work hard to be noticed, but we do work hard, we use our own funds and work our asses off to make movies with zero budget, doing more functions than we actually should just to prove our value and still got nothing. I know people that I've teached that are now working with the stuff I teached them in some big companies while I'm still at the bottom of the well.
Look, I'm not a boastful person. I know I am not bet the best in what I do, but I'm definetely not the worst as well. I just wish I had one opportunity to prove I can actually do this, but without the connections I don't even have that. That's the sad truth
I’m sorry. I bet you are extremely talented and I hope you all the best in the future!
I hope you get a better chance to do what you love someday. In the meantime, what are the names of your movies? I’d be interested in watching them.
thinking about how in the beginning where Emma said that it may not get you all the roles, it’s still lacks deep acknowledgment that they have the resources to be able to try again and have something/one to lay back on and they have resources to get better opposed to a person who wasn’t rich who probably couldn’t do it after as many rejections as they were able to have. it’s kinda like if you’re rich you’re break is inevitable if you keep at it. others don’t have that opportunity
"if you admit that this elitist structure benefits you, then people will quite rightfully turn around and say "well, what are you gonna do about it?"
absolutely SPOT ON. so glad we've moved on from the stage where people are showered with praise for simply ~acknowledging their privilege~ like nah baby keep going! what next? 🤡
great video as always Tara and lovely to have you back!
Honestly, so few people even acknowledge their privilege.
Excuse me, but what exactly do you suggest they do "next"? Not to sound antagonistic, but you can't expect every famous actor to, like, found a charity for social connections or something do you?
@@irismentor7985 You're thinking in extremes. No one expects every actor to each make their own charity, but it would be nice if they promoted actors who didn't already have connections, give roles to minorities, create opportunities for nobodies to get noticed, etc.
@@guy-sl3kr Sure, I would give my roles up for someone more unfortunate as well :D Love that everyone is a hero on the internet.
@@esikazemese Who said anything about giving up roles? This isn't a zero sum game lol you don't have to fire someone for every minority you hire.
I would say people with relatives who are in a creative field, will also benefit from their relatives believing that it's a valid career choice. They'll have all the support and opportunities, unlike those with especially blue collar families, whose relatives believe in "real jobs" (creative jobs aren't "real"). There's also a lack of knowledge, like if a kid wants to have this or that hobby, then the kid is pretty much on their own, unless there's someone who knows about the stuff. And you can't underestimate the value of someone believing in you.
Hence even if there wasn't nepotism, these kids were born with a privilege.
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Especially the part about creative jobs vs "real" jobs (namely doctor, lawyer, HR employee, etc.)
Even if parents/direct relatives believe it's a valid career choice, doesn't necessarily guarantee success - my parents have always been supportive of my creative pursuits (music and writing specifically). The kicker is that both of them don't actively work in the creative field and so there are very few connections to lean on - the people who can rely on nepotism start at least a mile ahead of everyone else, and the rest of us are damn lucky if we can catch up.
Yup. I made a similar point in another comment. Creative fields are kind of a bubble.
Money also plays a big role. Having a parent who can cover your rent while you focus on your art is invaluable. Many talented people have to step away from creative pursuits because they can’t afford to keep taking time away from their day job for auditions.
I don’t judge anyone for accepting help but it’s sad see average people beat themselves up for “not making it” when the successful people they compare themselves to are actually being fully supported by rich families.
@@khloeknievel3874 So true - I live with my parents which I know is a financial help, but I still work 30-40 hours/week to pay nearly other bill except rent (food, gas, insurance etc.). Also, while I'm incredibly grateful my parents are willing to support me in this way, we have a better relationship when I don't have to see them every day and I have a little space from them.
I've crunched the numbers so many times and I come up with the same answer: the stars would have to align 10 times over for me to find a job that paid enough and had a flexible schedule so I could move out and fully support myself, let alone leave time for my creative pursuits 🤯🤬😤
The thing with nepotism it destroys anyone's ability to have a dream, to think they have a chance, a crushing reality of what's the point of trying when it is rigged.
For the feminist girl boss thing you can look at kpop too.
Bts all came from middle class families, but they’re super successful.
Blackpink who’s the biggest kpop girl groupe of the world have all the members coming from a rich family.
Men benefits from nepotism too, but some are allowed to go from rags to riches, but as a girl you need to be related to someone powerful even more.
I was in the modeling industry in NYC about ten years ago (around age 15, they want you to start young) and this was happening then but it's an even bigger problem now. Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen moved to the US and sent a lot of their earnings to their poor families in their home countries. They made a living but were definitely not famous, recognized, or wealthy. It's an incredibly difficult job full of rejection, objectification, weighing yourself and getting your measurements taken in front of everyone, pressure to do coke because it suppresses your appetite, multiple castings each day all over the city, not to mention the absolutely disgusting inappropriate behavior by photographers and agents and incidents of SA (which happen ALL. THE. TIME). It's a morally corrupt industry. So when the Jenners/Hadids/Hamlins get their plastic surgery funded by their famous parents so they fit the look of a model, it's definitely frustrating to people that don't have the same relations or connections.
That is because modeling is basically sexual exploitation and westerners are aware of this and do not play the game. I was scouted twice to be a model and I just said “no” and walked away. Yeah I’m pretty, I’m not impressed that someone thinks I could model and I have no interest. Eastern Europeans are very poor and will be impressed and do prostitution for opportunities. Westerners are smarter and no hard up for money- so the people who are protected from the creeps will work in the industry. It is only fair.
@@ThingsILikke My point was that people from famous families get these big campaigns very quickly and do not go through the hardships that other people do. They have an advantage. And let’s be honest, if they didn’t have the famous connections many of them would not be models.
@@NIKKI.KO99 yes I know- with modeling in particular though no one should be doing it. It’s all sexual exploitation.
I think most of those people you mentioned didn’t get plastic surgery, but were blessed with good looks and good industry connections
@@sunbeam42 Kendal Jenner and Bella Hadid have a 100% had plastic surgery.
I feel like I'm less bothered by this trend if they don't aggressively try to hide it. Like Dan Levy making Schitt's Creek with his sister and extremely famous dad, no one's hiding how this show got made, so it doesn't have that eyerolling "I got here by pulling myself up by my bootstraps" energy.
Great example. Also, the iconic eyebrows are fooling no one.
YES. That show fits perfectly with the example she named. Also it's genuinely good comedy.It's one of my faves of all time.
I think that’s a great example. I can respect the Levy’s for three reasons.
First, they used the family vibes to create a show for themselves that reflects natural familial chemistry, and they never tried to pretend like it wasn’t a fun family project.
Second, they also did a great job hiring genuinely talented but unconnected actors for the main and secondary cast who probably wouldn’t have gotten a big break otherwise.
Third, they made good use of a well established actress Catherine O’Hara by giving her a juicy role she could really shine in, despite the huge lack of good roles for women of a certain age. While Catherine wasn’t a nobody and was probably getting some steady work, she certainly wasn’t given a ton of opportunities to both pay the bills and flex her incredible chops.
So if going to leverage the privileges you were born into for your own benefit, at least be like Dan Levy and make sure to use your success and privilege to lift up others, improve diversity, tell unique stories, and be honest about your journey.
@@Updog89 yes! I was gonna add that Dan Levy and his father really helped Annie Murphy (who played Alexis) get her big break as she was on the verge of quitting the industry.
@@solitaireseries I’d heard something similar! So grateful that they introduced her to the world, she is such a gem.
We glamorize hard work and struggle. So if they come out and admit it. They won’t get respect. The collective love it and respect it more when people say I worked so hard.
I think if people let go of that you’re work is more valuable when you worked hard. I think things could be different.
Hope I make sense.
I worked for a tech company where both the CEOs’ sons worked (after earning poetry and English lit degrees…let that sink in for a second) and were promoted yearly. And no one acknowledged it or spoke about it. They were both really nice and hard working but both things are simultaneously true, they got opportunities other people with the same work ethic and drive wouldn’t have. If I didn’t experience it first hand I might not believe how blatant it was. Rich powerful people don’t bother hiding it because there’s nothing anyone can do
Oh, I think there are things we can do.
Investigate.
Report.
Satirize.
Make our own movies.
To start with.
Stop asking Actors to be literally everything but Actors! You hit it right dead on girl! Hollywood tries so hard to “relate” to the masses and ignore how elite they treat themselves and everyone part of their biz.
They are still humans who can empathize though, in fact acting requires more empathy than usual.
@@EvaSofie you'd be surprised how many actors outside of acting don't put in the effort to empathize with others at all. Acting as a bare necessity for these kinds of folks is just knowing how to "pretend" feeling emotions and to then time them well.
@@thatsdisco The best actors do.
clint eastwood and jonah hill can direct they ass of. Mid 90s is fire.
When they said "put your stuff on the internet, get it out there", I thought, well, creating content is a very different job (yes, a job) than acting. How are you going to ask an actor to learn the ropes of social media, BESIDES writing, filming, editing, etc?. People need to realize that those two activities don't go hand in hand.
I remember in the late 90s reading a music magazine article about "up and coming talent" Angelina Jolie, no mention at all of who her father is, it was just like she swept up on the beach one day, beautiful and talented, and made her way into Hollywood entirely unaided. She also had this "too cool to care" persona which I'm sure would be easy to cultivate when you have that many connections you can afford to sneer at them.
I remember my dad (watches lots of 1960 and 1970 films especially Jon Voight films) and said to me "That's Jon Voight's daughter" I remember seeing him in "Anaconda"
I noticed she tries to "deny " him I was like "She's a splitting image of her dad why would she even attempt to deny him??"
Her brother and her are literally his doppelgangers
Them eyes are distinctively them
@@thepubknight6144 yeah she looks sooo much like him it's mad! I've heard that she's distanced herself from him because of some sort of substance abuse, maybe drinking, and not being there for her when she was growing up? Something like that. Can't remember exactly.
Her mother was a successful actress also and Angelina dated a very powerful studio owner to get those jobs (the guy has probably been named by now, but the relationship was kept a secret.)
I’m in tears lmao washed on the beach 🏖
@@ThingsILikke I remember she was in one of mc jaggers music videos (looked and is old enough to be her grandfather) and he just became obsessed with her for years and months. She had to unplug her landline because he rang non stop & she wasn't going to answer. While angie was creeped out and rejected him, her mother pushed her to be with him because he's good for her career and he'll show her around the industry.
It's just so creepy that her mother liked 60 year old mc jagger tirelessly pursuing 20 year old angie because he's "good for her career". The dumb article framed it as "too bad, their kids would've had the perfect pout". I was like, could mc jagger even get it up anymore when he pursued angie?
This is rampant not only in Hollywood but also in the music industry too.
And it's why music really sucks these days.