@@CrispysProjects When someone has gone as far as you did to explain in full each step, its more than deserved of a comment to say thank you. Really appreciated 👍
That's a good shout I'd not covered, have done it a while after the video on 4 post ramp Really need to cover that if I do an suspension update video 👍
Thanks very much Geoff, I do think its important know if they are worth it, year on providing its not loaded with stuff or people, its good on a day to day bias
Great video! Good to see its still helping people 4 years on. This has helped me with my coilovers recently. Can I just ask, could you damage the drive shaft or any of the bearings in the cv joint in the process? I struggled to release the ball joint and really had to flex the wishbone down putting pressure on the boots and the drive shaft moved back and forth many times during the process. Im not sure if its in my head and its road noise, but im sure i can hear a rotary noise that sounds like the wind if that makes sense? It might just be paranoid and listening for something because ive never done anything like this before. Thanks again. 👍
Glad to hear it's still helping, hope you're happy with your achievement 👍 There is a wide amount of movement in the CVs, I couldn't guarantee nothing may of been damaged but if you had there would likely been a knocking noise driving. Only thing I'd suggest is something rubbing like the dust shield on the brake disk as you would have yanked on them. Simple jacking up, turning the wheels may locate it, and pushing the dust shield back could fix it Thanks for the comment 👍
Good vid mate, just for future reference, there's 2x removable black access plates at the top of the strut that would have saved you removing the wipers.
Hello, i have just completed this upgrade a couple of weeks ago with the same coilover kit, it was not an easy job very rusty nuts and bolts and because of COVID i have not been able to get replacements from my VW dealer. So i used all the old bolts i bought a repair kit from Autodoc which includes some or all of the nuts and bolts but the bottom suspension clamp bolts are not included so i have not replaced yet. I also replaced discs and pads as the discs were well worn, put ventilated ones on but original brakes were fine but for the extra i went ahead. great video and some of your tips will be noted and i will try to set up as well as you when i am finally back on the road.
Great to hear 👍 it a pain not having all the right bolts, hopefully many dealers here in UK are starting to kick start businesses this week, tweaking the height makes massive difference 👍👍
Spot on, not best practice! I hadn't a crack bar at home ☹️ luckily the torque wrench I have goes both ways and has an angle ref guage, which is worth investing in, ideal for xxxNM plus 90'
Great video I need to lower mine, good budget kit. TOP TIP.......when ever you have the front hubs off a car or van......ALWAYS CHECK THE CV BOOTS! Could save tears later if it fails MOT on split boots it can save you time and money👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇬🇧 I,m off to buy a kit!
Great to hear, I got mine but cheaper via euro cap parts eBay store, check the link in the description should still be valid, also check out my other Vid on CV boots, again DIY style!!
Pretty sure the nyloc nut is only for transport so the thread doesn't get damaged and not for installing on the van, and the original retaining nut should have been used - but I could be wrong!
The original is a different thread / pitch. Nylon is great for single use as it's suppose to help not back off, that how I've always known it. Really appreciate the input Interdes, many thanks 👍
@@CrispysProjects thanks for the video too! Does help a lot. That but though I understand re the nylon helping to keep it on but I think it’s more to do with the actual height of the nut vs the one that was on the van. As I say I could be totally wrong! 👍
What about passing the mot with coil overs? Does the van handle better going around corners/roundabouts now? In retrospect would you say similar results could be achieved with lowering springs?
MOTs aren't a problem providing when fully jacked the spring still has loads, isn't rattling about. It handles so much better, way more responsive, don't get me wrong it's still a large tall vehicle with a high centre of gravity and not magically a go kart! 2 reasons I went for cheaper coil over kit over lowering springs, I suspected the shocks were tired, none were 'gone' . Lowering springs are good and many have a OEM feel but particularly with vans you need to know the weights, so a camper V empty makes a difference in stance at rear, hence ability to tweak it Couple brilliant questions 👍
good video crispy i,m just watching how you put the vid together, also the links below, i think your getting the hang of putting the vids together now so you can now show me how to process my vids on my channel ha!ha! keep up the good work chris. oh! by the way the van looks good with the stance + the wheels =good result!!
Thanks Pete, I can show you couple ways, no problems, I learnt everything from watching your channel! Does drive so much firmer, quick dash to nowhere at the moment #lockdown
Interesting, I've had similar with OEM springs, on VW not BM where the tension has been too much and the top mount bearings stuck, might be the same I'd try dropping the spring plates down the side is twanging to check, might help find it? Good luck finding it 👍
Great video mate, what height did you end up with from centre of the Wheel to the arch? I’ve got the same van in the same kit and need to find a happy medium also👍
@@mcjjordan hello, since I posted this question I have removed the coil overs. I have gone back to standard suspension as the coil overs were a nightmare. They caused a lot of problems and the ride quality was terrible. The van looked brilliant but even wound up as high as it would go you still couldn’t get a comfy ride even on smooth roads and it shook everything apart in my van.
Thanks for watching Karlos, No I didn't undo the tie rod, if I would of took the whole hub off I would of, but that's way too heavy and more work when it starts spinning in the ball joint!
Depends on the kit, basic lowering kit is different spring rates and heights and fixed, were coilovers are adjusting and that gap can be altered to suit the vehicle, vans can have variations of equipment than car's from seats, racking to full blown camper setup!! I've set mine to be same gap and ride's nice 👍
About 2 mins in, I measured start distance centre wheel to arch, using same method to set up at the end, even if you swap wheels that measurement is constant lowered value Good Luck, and pass on the info!!
In a way yes Alex! If your doing one side at a time there's always going to be a pre load as it's trying to even up or the anti roll bar doing it's job. You manage to get them in and tight okay?
No, far easier to just unbolt them (m10 spline or hex depending on if changed in past) as you can on T5 setup and less chance of damaging the boot Check my CV boot change video, I go over same job in different detail, appreciate the watch 👍
Hi. Am seriously thinking about this kit to my T5.1 just worry about how much harder will be on bumps or bad quality roads ? Unfortunately I have bad experience on my T4 which had to put back on standard shocks because on poor roads in my country was terrible to drive. Regards. Adam.
Hey Adam, honestly I would say this kit isn't for you, it will be too hard and horrible to drive. Factory Springs have many coils which give little movement per coil which absorbs the bumps. I'm on nothing but smooth roads I would consider with for more money good new stock shocks and eibach or similar sports springs. Your not going to get the drop😟 I've recently been getting stuff from AutoDoc at good prices, coupon AC24679507 at checkout should get £3 off, I've not tried it yet but worth looking at
@@CrispysProjects Thanks for reply. I know there's no cure-all for this but my T5 is very high, when I stepping out have to almost jump off. Around 40mm down would be accurate. Well, take a look on others options, the best could be air ride system but prices killing me 😁. All the best.
Hey, I don't think I've even been in any vehicle that's had them, should be better kit being more money but I don't know it that's the shocks, springs or quality of finish which would better. If they have more coils on the spring should be a nicer ride Sorry can't help much more, thanks for the question 👍
How are they holding up and how close and often are you to the carrying capacity on average ? I ran a cheap set about 5 years ago and they were dead within 15 months but I was carrying close or on the limit daily.
There's still doing well, still feeling just the same as day 1, realistically never fully loaded, probably half load at most! I think most coilovers would struggle at load daily, I'd go OEM shocks with something like H&R sports springs, but at the price you could buy 2 sets!
@@CrispysProjects that's exactly what I did ,I do miss the look I ran 18s with a 45 profile, don't miss the death throwes of a dying coilover though . Guess I was just hoping you were going to tell me they were good for the abuse .appreciate the reply 🤙
Hi, yes the fronts are at the lowest which think was 70mm lower, if I changed the tyres to higher profile it would change the gap slightly Back end could go lower being empty, but didn't handle nice Thanks for the comment 👍
New to van life, got t6 t30 dsg factory kombi day van, it's on 275/40/20, Looking to lower 50/60 mm but want a comfortable smooth ride, not bothered about going round roundabouts at 60mph so which system would you recommend but on a budget don't wanna spend loads 😂
Good choice on van, not having lot of experience with other van kits it's hard to say, the JOM may be too stiff with the low profile tyres if your fully loaded. I needed shocks as well making it worth while overall, which I'm happy with the results. Options could also include a good spring kit on original shocks or a sports kit which H&R and Eibach feel closer to OEM sports but don't have that adjustability once fitted, good luck researching
Hello, they're still holding up brilliantly, being critical they've not softened up at all but I'm certainly familiar with ride and lot more comfortable, well impressed with the ride. Luckily I'm mostly on the motorway and still avoid speed humps. Thanks for the watch 👍
Hey Jake, I've just had to rewatch the video myself to remember how exactly I'd done it, around minute 27 (there are chapters in the description) I knew I'd had 2 ways to potentially do it, so looks like I lost the top mount rubber. I've no clatter noise's even now, all springs even wound and everything tight is the obvious questiona or the brake backing plate loose or something else like exhaust heat shield?
Thanks for the response, no loose heat shields or back plates! Only seems to be the near side rear that clatters, its not annoying as of yet. I have tried without top rubbers and with. It was definitely quieter with, being a LWB model i think it maybe needs a bit more weight on the back to keep everything compressed tightly. Have triple checked all fixings and mounting points, just wanted to see if you had any issues with yours too!
Hi, I've just checked, yes there is! Around minute 22 in the video, TBH re watching it I could to with really editting it down 😕 But thanks for the question 👍
@@CrispysProjects Can you confirm the size of the spines needed to disconnect the bottom wishbone? Just in the middle of doing my own coils, it's been a learning curve. Yes, your video has been the best of all the ones I have watched. Cheers
@@CrispysProjects Cheer, I just fitted the rear lower springs with the adjuster. Wheels on and no height difference? That the trouble when doing your own project, ignorance! Thanks for all your replies.
I've not been able to check the factory specs yet, but I've done the 18mm heads (M12) to 80Nm, the 21s (M14) to 120Nm, wheel bolts also 120 Nm. Shock tops about 60Nm by hand. From experience that's not far from away spec. I hope that helps 😁👍 when I'm able to check I'll update the description
1:20 settle them - all real mechanic now laughing. Do you bounce suspension after car/van was out of use for long time? why not? need to be settle - lol
LOL, that's the great thing with being old school, you can't change your ways 😆 I'll still do it 1st time out the box, and you can feel the difference on the 2nd go, great way to compare difference in bump and rebound, new and old / stock and uprated 🤓🤪
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by far the best video explaining this on youtube, very well done Sir
Many thanks, hope it's helped you. Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@CrispysProjects When someone has gone as far as you did to explain in full each step, its more than deserved of a comment to say thank you. Really appreciated 👍
Top tip you tighten and torque the shocks when the vehicles weight is back on the ground same as top mounts on the front 👌
That's a good shout I'd not covered, have done it a while after the video on 4 post ramp
Really need to cover that if I do an suspension update video 👍
Looks the nuts.the rubber washer is to prevent galvanick corrosion. Steel van aloy shokers
Good video, nice to see someone doing the work and reviewing the results as well
Thanks very much Geoff, I do think its important know if they are worth it, year on providing its not loaded with stuff or people, its good on a day to day bias
Great video! Good to see its still helping people 4 years on. This has helped me with my coilovers recently. Can I just ask, could you damage the drive shaft or any of the bearings in the cv joint in the process? I struggled to release the ball joint and really had to flex the wishbone down putting pressure on the boots and the drive shaft moved back and forth many times during the process. Im not sure if its in my head and its road noise, but im sure i can hear a rotary noise that sounds like the wind if that makes sense? It might just be paranoid and listening for something because ive never done anything like this before. Thanks again. 👍
Glad to hear it's still helping, hope you're happy with your achievement 👍
There is a wide amount of movement in the CVs, I couldn't guarantee nothing may of been damaged but if you had there would likely been a knocking noise driving. Only thing I'd suggest is something rubbing like the dust shield on the brake disk as you would have yanked on them. Simple jacking up, turning the wheels may locate it, and pushing the dust shield back could fix it
Thanks for the comment 👍
@CrispysProjects Ill take a look at that. Thanks for your reply and thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Keep up the good work.
Good vid mate, just for future reference, there's 2x removable black access plates at the top of the strut that would have saved you removing the wipers.
Thanks, I didn't see those panels. I know what a pain it is to get wipers off, when its fairly simple giving loads of room to see whats happening 👍👍
Cool vid mate, loving the content 💯 glad you got it dialled in. About to tackle this project soon 🤪
Thanks, makes massive difference to the drive setting the height up evenly distributed!
Hello, i have just completed this upgrade a couple of weeks ago with the same coilover kit, it was not an easy job very rusty nuts and bolts and because of COVID i have not been able to get replacements from my VW dealer. So i used all the old bolts i bought a repair kit from Autodoc which includes some or all of the nuts and bolts but the bottom suspension clamp bolts are not included so i have not replaced yet. I also replaced discs and pads as the discs were well worn, put ventilated ones on but original brakes were fine but for the extra i went ahead. great video and some of your tips will be noted and i will try to set up as well as you when i am finally back on the road.
Great to hear 👍 it a pain not having all the right bolts, hopefully many dealers here in UK are starting to kick start businesses this week, tweaking the height makes massive difference 👍👍
Thanks for the video, I think i'll do this soon on mine. I believe you shouldn't loosen nuts with a torque wrench though as it can damage the wrench.
Spot on, not best practice! I hadn't a crack bar at home ☹️ luckily the torque wrench I have goes both ways and has an angle ref guage, which is worth investing in, ideal for xxxNM plus 90'
Great video I need to lower mine, good budget kit. TOP TIP.......when ever you have the front hubs off a car or van......ALWAYS CHECK THE CV BOOTS! Could save tears later if it fails MOT on split boots it can save you time and money👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇬🇧 I,m off to buy a kit!
Great to hear, I got mine but cheaper via euro cap parts eBay store, check the link in the description should still be valid, also check out my other Vid on CV boots, again DIY style!!
Nice one considered buying a kit for my 06 audi estate 👌 looks like I'll definitely make that purchase.. cheers mate 👍
Great to hear, it's still going strong setting it up not too low certain keeps it nice to drive!
defo need a nice set of alloys on her now
Pretty sure the nyloc nut is only for transport so the thread doesn't get damaged and not for installing on the van, and the original retaining nut should have been used - but I could be wrong!
The original is a different thread / pitch. Nylon is great for single use as it's suppose to help not back off, that how I've always known it. Really appreciate the input Interdes, many thanks 👍
@@CrispysProjects thanks for the video too! Does help a lot. That but though I understand re the nylon helping to keep it on but I think it’s more to do with the actual height of the nut vs the one that was on the van. As I say I could be totally wrong! 👍
Great video i watched your video because i was thinking of buying the coilover kit to fit on a r53 cooper s
I hope it's help decide, it's still going well! R53 great car, had NA version when they 1st came out, so much better than later models IMO
I've just uploaded a video of me lowering my T6. Yours is a lot better, nice work!
I'll check it out later, thanks - I can see you've also a R32 great motor I've spent a lot of time with them over the years as well as the mk5 chassis
Done a few of these never ever removed wipers or scuttle panel
I've found those access flaps, after filming it! More familiar with cars 😆 Removing it did make it easier to film, thanks Nick👍
Thank you soooooo much for this video 🤩
Happy to help, feel free to check out links in the description and some of the other videos!
Great vid, well explained
What about passing the mot with coil overs? Does the van handle better going around corners/roundabouts now? In retrospect would you say similar results could be achieved with lowering springs?
MOTs aren't a problem providing when fully jacked the spring still has loads, isn't rattling about.
It handles so much better, way more responsive, don't get me wrong it's still a large tall vehicle with a high centre of gravity and not magically a go kart!
2 reasons I went for cheaper coil over kit over lowering springs, I suspected the shocks were tired, none were 'gone' . Lowering springs are good and many have a OEM feel but particularly with vans you need to know the weights, so a camper V empty makes a difference in stance at rear, hence ability to tweak it
Couple brilliant questions 👍
Thanks:-)
good video crispy i,m just watching how you put the vid together, also the links below, i think your getting the hang of putting the vids together now so you can now show me how to process my vids on my channel ha!ha! keep up the good work chris. oh! by the way the van looks good with the stance + the wheels =good result!!
Thanks Pete, I can show you couple ways, no problems, I learnt everything from watching your channel! Does drive so much firmer, quick dash to nowhere at the moment #lockdown
TOP JOB
I have a caddy 1.2 tsi 2011 2K seen the jom blueline also. How are they? Does rhey have any comfort or are they stiff?
They are little more stiffer, harsher ride than the the stock shock spring option, luckily I don't have many speed humps my way!
I have these on the front on me BM but getting a ring ting sound when turning 🤦🤷 springs all how they should be 🙄
Interesting, I've had similar with OEM springs, on VW not BM where the tension has been too much and the top mount bearings stuck, might be the same
I'd try dropping the spring plates down the side is twanging to check, might help find it?
Good luck finding it 👍
@@CrispysProjects yeah I couldn't drop it much more or the locking rings be hitting the sidewall 🤦🤦🤣🤣
@@ezzaei try raising to around factory height see if it changes, or at least get a better look what's making a noise
Joys of modified motors 👨🔧🙂
@@CrispysProjects it is already lol I know yeah standard shocks gave me heart attack lol
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Great video mate, what height did you end up with from centre of the Wheel to the arch? I’ve got the same van in the same kit and need to find a happy medium also👍
Id like to know the heights before & after also
@@mcjjordan hello, since I posted this question I have removed the coil overs. I have gone back to standard suspension as the coil overs were a nightmare. They caused a lot of problems and the ride quality was terrible. The van looked brilliant but even wound up as high as it would go you still couldn’t get a comfy ride even on smooth roads and it shook everything apart in my van.
Just seen a video of this made by auto doc.. they undone the tie rod end on the left side of the disc? Your way looks easier or did you also undo it?
Thanks for watching Karlos, No I didn't undo the tie rod, if I would of took the whole hub off I would of, but that's way too heavy and more work when it starts spinning in the ball joint!
Crispy's Projects yeah that’s what I thought..I’ll do it the same way as you did I think 😀 make things easier 😀 thank you
Noticed a few vans with bigger gaps on front arches than rears,,, is this normal or not set up right?
Depends on the kit, basic lowering kit is different spring rates and heights and fixed, were coilovers are adjusting and that gap can be altered to suit the vehicle, vans can have variations of equipment than car's from seats, racking to full blown camper setup!! I've set mine to be same gap and ride's nice 👍
@@CrispysProjects daft question then how's best to ensure / measure all same gaps
About 2 mins in, I measured start distance centre wheel to arch, using same method to set up at the end, even if you swap wheels that measurement is constant lowered value
Good Luck, and pass on the info!!
Did you have any problems with the drop links not lining up ?
In a way yes Alex! If your doing one side at a time there's always going to be a pre load as it's trying to even up or the anti roll bar doing it's job.
You manage to get them in and tight okay?
Did you separate the ball joints as well?
No, far easier to just unbolt them (m10 spline or hex depending on if changed in past) as you can on T5 setup and less chance of damaging the boot
Check my CV boot change video, I go over same job in different detail, appreciate the watch 👍
Hi.
Am seriously thinking about this kit to my T5.1 just worry about how much harder will be on bumps or bad quality roads ?
Unfortunately I have bad experience on my T4 which had to put back on standard shocks because on poor roads in my country was terrible to drive.
Regards.
Adam.
Hey Adam, honestly I would say this kit isn't for you, it will be too hard and horrible to drive.
Factory Springs have many coils which give little movement per coil which absorbs the bumps. I'm on nothing but smooth roads
I would consider with for more money good new stock shocks and eibach or similar sports springs. Your not going to get the drop😟
I've recently been getting stuff from AutoDoc at good prices, coupon AC24679507 at checkout should get £3 off, I've not tried it yet but worth looking at
@@CrispysProjects
Thanks for reply.
I know there's no cure-all for this but my T5 is very high, when I stepping out have to almost jump off.
Around 40mm down would be accurate.
Well, take a look on others options, the best could be air ride system but prices killing me 😁.
All the best.
Ive just got 50mm lowering springs on mine & ride is lovely.. wondering how bad “cheap” coilovers would be……
@@mcjjordan
Finally I have installed H&R just springs -40mm, it's spot on, not big difference than was on stock suspension.
Hi bro! Nice result! What do you think about JOM Redline for vw t5?
Hey, I don't think I've even been in any vehicle that's had them, should be better kit being more money but I don't know it that's the shocks, springs or quality of finish which would better. If they have more coils on the spring should be a nicer ride
Sorry can't help much more, thanks for the question 👍
How are they holding up and how close and often are you to the carrying capacity on average ? I ran a cheap set about 5 years ago and they were dead within 15 months but I was carrying close or on the limit daily.
There's still doing well, still feeling just the same as day 1, realistically never fully loaded, probably half load at most! I think most coilovers would struggle at load daily, I'd go OEM shocks with something like H&R sports springs, but at the price you could buy 2 sets!
@@CrispysProjects that's exactly what I did ,I do miss the look I ran 18s with a 45 profile, don't miss the death throwes of a dying coilover though . Guess I was just hoping you were going to tell me they were good for the abuse .appreciate the reply 🤙
How low it can be? Or, the after picture in this video is the lowest point?
Hi, yes the fronts are at the lowest which think was 70mm lower, if I changed the tyres to higher profile it would change the gap slightly
Back end could go lower being empty, but didn't handle nice
Thanks for the comment 👍
New to van life,
got t6 t30 dsg factory kombi day van, it's on 275/40/20,
Looking to lower 50/60 mm but want a comfortable smooth ride, not bothered about going round roundabouts at 60mph so which system would you recommend but on a budget don't wanna spend loads 😂
Good choice on van, not having lot of experience with other van kits it's hard to say, the JOM may be too stiff with the low profile tyres if your fully loaded. I needed shocks as well making it worth while overall, which I'm happy with the results. Options could also include a good spring kit on original shocks or a sports kit which H&R and Eibach feel closer to OEM sports but don't have that adjustability once fitted, good luck researching
how have they held up? have they softened up any or still harsh?
Hello, they're still holding up brilliantly, being critical they've not softened up at all but I'm certainly familiar with ride and lot more comfortable, well impressed with the ride. Luckily I'm mostly on the motorway and still avoid speed humps.
Thanks for the watch 👍
Just fitted the kit on my 04 T30. Do the rear upper rubbers need modifying?
Also did you get any clattering noises?
Hey Jake, I've just had to rewatch the video myself to remember how exactly I'd done it, around minute 27 (there are chapters in the description) I knew I'd had 2 ways to potentially do it, so looks like I lost the top mount rubber.
I've no clatter noise's even now, all springs even wound and everything tight is the obvious questiona or the brake backing plate loose or something else like exhaust heat shield?
Thanks for the response, no loose heat shields or back plates! Only seems to be the near side rear that clatters, its not annoying as of yet. I have tried without top rubbers and with. It was definitely quieter with, being a LWB model i think it maybe needs a bit more weight on the back to keep everything compressed tightly.
Have triple checked all fixings and mounting points, just wanted to see if you had any issues with yours too!
Is there no locking ring on front strut?
Hi, I've just checked, yes there is! Around minute 22 in the video, TBH re watching it I could to with really editting it down 😕
But thanks for the question 👍
Hi, Did you leave the track end connected? Very helpful video, thanks.
Yes I did, as it can be a pain to separate, and it's got enough travel on these to work around!
Glad it helped 👍
@@CrispysProjects Can you confirm the size of the spines needed to disconnect the bottom wishbone? Just in the middle of doing my own coils, it's been a learning curve. Yes, your video has been the best of all the ones I have watched. Cheers
I want to say M12, flick though my bush replacement video I'm sure I've listed the tools at the end of that one, had different left and right!
@@CrispysProjects Cheer, I just fitted the rear lower springs with the adjuster. Wheels on and no height difference? That the trouble when doing your own project, ignorance! Thanks for all your replies.
Have you got the torque settings.. Great vid 👍🏻
I've not been able to check the factory specs yet, but I've done the 18mm heads (M12) to 80Nm, the 21s (M14) to 120Nm, wheel bolts also 120 Nm. Shock tops about 60Nm by hand. From experience that's not far from away spec. I hope that helps 😁👍 when I'm able to check I'll update the description
1:20 settle them - all real mechanic now laughing. Do you bounce suspension after car/van was out of use for long time? why not? need to be settle - lol
LOL, that's the great thing with being old school, you can't change your ways 😆 I'll still do it 1st time out the box, and you can feel the difference on the 2nd go, great way to compare difference in bump and rebound, new and old / stock and uprated 🤓🤪
😂