It's great to see somebody outside the KH speedrunning community that actually knows something about game design lol. Yeah stay away from TGJ for opinions on KH gameplay, he's a major casual. I really recommend a video called the turning point btw, I know you would love it.
The best thing about the Turning Point is that Bloodybizkitz made it, who is one of the World Record speedrunners. I wish he'd make more videos like that, since he's pretty good at making them entertaining.
What i hate in game difficulty and design discussions in general is how people who think they are "hardcore gamers" love to call anything that destroys them "artificial difficulty". It's not that the very concept of atifical difficulty is false, but i see it being missused in 9 out of 10 times and it basically comes down to "i didn't understand something about mechanics"/"i was too lazy". Funny thing is that this problem is not comming from casuals - they are playing easy mode and even when they try to play hard games - they are more respectful of the game and try first to understand what they are doing wrong. But a self proclaimed "hardcore gamer" often is blinded by thinking he's tough shit and when he get's killed it's always bad game design and not him.
Ole Gerko Not even gonna lie I think your right XD I'm a complete casual and almost never play any game on hard mode but I have a friend (who I love don't get me wrong) that considers himself a very hardcore gamer and ANY time he loses he blames it on artificial difficulty. But he never listens when I point this out cause "I'm just a casual" 😂
Ole Gerko Oh, it's the absolute worst. A lot of these motherfuckers also throw out the ol' "it's not even hard! I know I could beat it if it didn't (insert bullshit excuse here)!"
I don't know if you've played Dark Souls games, but that's the biggest problem with that community of players when it comes to Dark Souls 2. They don't learn the fights or adapt and they call it artificial difficulty just because they lose to it when the game's made the most effort to be as fair as possible with a lot of available items for you to use.
I think that's a very shallow observation of a type of person you don't like. Playing games on harder dificulty makes the flaws in the gameplay shine because you need every bit of the game to work properly.
I'm glad to see that the Osaka Team is finally learning what made KH2FM's bosses so good. Just spamming dodge and only one attack for few minutes doesn't make for an interesting fight *cough* Mysterious Figure *cough* did they forget Terra even exists while designing this boss *another unconvincing cough*. There's nothing interesting about dodging attacks, if you don't need to think about the way you dodge them. If you can just spam the dodge button forever, then avoiding damage quickly become brainless and it makes the fight a whole lot less engaging. This is why Bayonetta has a dodge reset, why your dodge move in KH1 and 2 doesn't have too many i-frames and they have a bit of recoil at the end of the animation to prevent the player from spamming. Hell, Terra's dodge would've been just fine for Birth By Sleep if they had designed everything with that dodge style in mind. But no, instead you either have a broken dodge, or a dodge that makes some of the fights feel like RNG due to the bosses not being designed with the latter in mind.
Fairly certain I mentioned that in the context of Mysterious Figure, not the entire game. Although the rest of the "super bosses" also significantly restrict the amount of useful moves as well. They're not good boss fights. Also how many moves in general are even useful anyway? Just throw in some magnet and thundaga and basically everything's dead.
Tbh, I'm not a big fan of the Gamer's Joint. The first few videos I saw by him were fine (though I can't remember what they were about now.) He eventually went clickbaity/really stereotypical stuff (top 10 weapons,top 10 characters, ect) and I was like "Alright, that's fine, I'm down." ... but idk. Normally, I'm very open to hearing someone else's opinions when it comes to media as long as they aren't a dick (which he came across as at times.) However, the way he presented his opinions just came off as lazy or not well thought out. It's not his opinion itself that bothered me, but the fact that he didn't even know why he held that opinion, or at least couldn't present it in a coherent way. Plus, like you said, this dude must be making at least some kind of cash making these videos. This is probably his job. How on earth can you feel like you don't have to put effort (aka, playing the game) into your JOB? (Plus, he said Aqua was worst girl which is an insult on my life itself. She gave so much for her friends and she's probably the strongest character in the series story wise. I can understand not loving her [if you hate strong, independent women who can kick your insecure ass any day and doesn't need a love interest as her sole motivator to become strong and protect]... but WORST GIRL?! Edit: I'M NOT SALTY!)
「Quality」Realistically, I think Aqua is understandable as she is, given her life thus far, as was Lightning for the most part. I'm not a particularly emotional or upbeat person myself, at least not when I'm doing something fairly important. Jovial or emotive characters aren't necessarily more appealing to me by default.
I suppose Nomura was going for trying to have her personality to be more "calm" like water just as Terra and Ventus personalities are based from traits of their element. Not saying her's couldn't be improved, but I'm just speculating the reason.
Well there was that one time Zack tried to ask her out. She showed her quirks with how embarrassed and awkward she felt at the situation. Bare in mind that Birth By Sleep is split to three characters, none of them get to have as much flushing out as Sora or Riku gets who have whole stories to themselves.
someone complaining about super bosses being super hard shouldn't be worth listening to those complaints to t b h (unless those bosses are so broken that you need to resort to cheating to beat, those complaints are fair, but I can already tell this one doesn't need those because its strict but fair)
humorously enough your pic is a boss that drove me utterly insane the first few times I fought him. just the fact that he was made to make the sword usless about 70% of the time made me cry.
11:51 Ok I am all about reactive Blocking, but how did you know you had to Block right THERE? In this Moment before she even appeared? IMO there should be a cue that she appears just before she appears to have the slightest chance to block her at this moment without knowing all her attacks by heart.
YESSS, I love hearing you talk about Kingdom Hearts not too many people appreciate the level to the same degree, admittedly you even more than me. But KH II is my favorite game because i love how combat feels and goddamn did it feel good to get the Golden Crown, I'm pretty sure i was on critical too.
As soon as you were saying some dude hated the fight, I thought, "Does he mean Gamers Joint?" AND YES, I was gagged. I do watch his channel (used to watch it a lot more) and I don't hate the guy at all (yeah he does kinda look like a fuckbOI, but you can't change your face), but after seeing your video (because I watched his first when it came out, and since I hadn't played the game yet, I just went along like "yeah, fuck these BBS style bosses!") I get it. I agree with everything you said, I'm here for KH getting a little bit more challenging
Totally agree with the points here. And for the record, you can get at least one volley of a shotlock off on this boss after an aerial combo, but you gotta be on-point about it, which I like. It's quite stylish and satisfying if you pull it off for just a little extra damage, not a huge game-breaking chunk of damage.
Proud isn't this games hardest difficulty. Critical Mode is, and I agree. It is seriously annoying when people complain about this boss. Whenever people.say this fight is luck based, I show them my no damage run.
were you playing the aqua secret boss fight on proud mode? because it seems to me that she's a abit slow footed. not like the basic boss fight slow but just not amazing fast.
I'm sure its not nearly as hard or well designed, but the type of incredibly difficult but satisfying secret boss fight you describe reminds me of fighting henry at the end of no more heroes. He has all of these incredibly powerful moves and few openings, but the fight is so fun and it feels so good to learn the patterns and dodge his attacks that I played the fight for hours until I won. Its my favorite boss fight for a lot of the reasons you listed, so thanks for reminding me of it.
I have a love/hate relationship with this fight. The design and effort of this fight is really good, forcing me to learn tactics about what to do in order to defeat her. It did take me 71 tries to defeat her, though. However, the biggest problem I had was how it feels like you don't have options during the fight and you have to do this one pattern to defeat her. Let's say if you wanted to use Spellweaver during the fight, you'll ultimately fail because sure you'll be doing twice as much damage to Aqua, once she dodges you're vulnerable because your attack string has too many frames.
I hope this becomes the general consensus about this boss and the developers make note of it. Haven't enjoyed a boss fight this much since the superbosses in KH2FM and I began to worry that they'd continue to ignore the mechanics that made KH2 great. 0.2 is definitely a step in the right direction. Side note: Aqua can jump out of her barrier if you block an attack. It gives you the option to create unique openings and land punishes that wouldn't be possible otherwise :)
not many people notice how phantom aqua always teleports in front of the camera so you never get cucked from behind or some bullshit. really good stuff in this fight
Some of my favorite memories of playing kingdom hearts are of the times when I fought a boss for days trying to figure out the timing and the patterns. Somehow losing was never a problem or annoyance.
Would the certain areas in KH2 that required max level growth abilities like glide, double jump, or certain drive forms count as a barrier similar to the trinity marks and spells of KH1? I think it does generally.
In kingdom harts 2 I managed to beat sefferoff ( I don't know how to spell his name properly if I did it was by accident) five levels under the recommended level and felt like a badass for it. I really hope that there are more fights like that in 3.
The thing with the spells in KH1 also applies to the platforming, it was much more meaningful than in KH2 even though it wasn't as smooth. I think KH1 was developed with an adventure RPG mindset and KH2 had an action RPG mindset.
His reasons is that the game doesnt teach you the "jump out of guard to immediately attack", or in a broader term, how the game doesn't teach you its advanced mechanics and you have to figure out the mechanics either by accident and then trial and error.
Bro I couldn't agree with you more! I can beat data org on lvl1 relatively easy(after losing to them for days ofc, just to clarify that l'm not saying they're a joke) so I know a lot of things about KH mechanics and it was so pleasant listening to you being sooo right about everything^^ I'm more than positive that you can beat data org on lvl1 too if you put enough time into it, so give it a try if you ever feel like conquering our favorite game completely. I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your channel. : )
I have been playing a lot of splintercell lately, and seeing you run though lit areas when there were areas of shadow available filled me with an irrational rage.
Nate after these 10 more days are over, are you going to do more usual uploads? Like, not once a month ones. Your editing is fun and along with you being fun to watch
Man BestGuyEver you hit the nail on the head. Everything you say about gameplay and how filthy casuals like TheGamersJoint rely on crutches and complain about difficulty is spot on. These fights are supposed to be a challenge and when you beat them you should feel accomplished. Audio queues and mechanics like that make fights so much more engaging. It's supposed to be trial by fire and about learning to use your skills to counter what the boss is doing NOT spamming reflect/guard/roll (unless of course that is the only way to beat the move in which case that was the design choice of the programmers and supposed to be done). God, I want to kiss you almost as much as I want to kiss Aqua. Sorry for the short essay lol.
On the topic of Reflect spamming; Yes, I think it can easily be abused, but it can also be designed for. During one of the extra bosses in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix the boss lets out an attack that you can't outrun, dodge, or avoid in any meaningful way, you just have to take it... or reflect spam. She never uses this attack twice in a row, in fact, the internal timer between uses of this move is long enough for your mana bar to refill. This leads me to believe that the game Devs wanted you to spam reflect for this move; so that they could limit your reliance of magic, (cure, thunder, reflect, etc.) during the rest of the fight. This forces the player to be much more aware of their mana meter if they want to survive she power combo with reflect.
The main effect of the trinity system in KH1 is that I had immense difficulty with the Coliseum and basically never played any of it and never got a lot of the optional magic or the trinity you get, missed the ones you get from that and the missable trinity in Halloween Town (because I didn't have that trinity yet), couldn't remember where any of the trinities were when I actually did get the ones you get in the story and in general just playing KH1 makes me paranoid of missing all this crap that has no system to keep track of it. So I think of them as these gates that just never become open. It's like the content beyond them doesn't even exist. I just remember hating trinities so much.
My fav game that doing this "final battle will test all your skills" is true final boss of Rabi-Ribi that is 15 min long test of your understanding of the game's mechanics.
Great video. couldnt agree more even though im just a average gamer that isnt the best and like a easy to medium challenge to add fights like this for extra secret bosses is amazing. gives game more content for after you beat the main story line!
So kid nowadays don't like challenge? No wonder these kid spent money on those aimbot. This video brings me back to the sepiroth in KH 2. Even with the help of walkthrough, I have to repeat that fight so many times. And when I won that fight, I feel like a champ. Like I accomplished something big. And then they gave us FM and the Lingering will. (Yes, I know there's the "1 hit fenrir" strategy. But still...)
One counterpoint I'd like to make is regarding your point about revisiting old areas in KH1 for the sake of a satisfying exploration of a previously explored level. Personally, I prefer everything being at my own pace because there are times I can consider forced reentry of old levels being just backtracking, but can understand if you can see the positive in that kind of game design.
I love the Sephiroth fight in KH2, but for a while, I had trouble beating him on the ps2, for the sole reason I was not used of using magic in the game cuz my button for shortcuts for magic (r1 i think or r2 one of those) did not work on my controller and never switch it or didn't have one so I didn't use the reflect magic, until I got used to going to the reflect spell in the menu. I was pretty dumb, but it was so fun and rewarding when I did beat him just for him to fly away like nothing happen. I love playing proud mode in KH games cuz of the battle systems (most of them), and eventually, I forget I am playing on the hard difficulty and it feels normal to me. I agree with this, every boss has a pattern, just got to find it and adapt to them. Also, the boss fights look so cool when you know how to react to them.
KH1 is still my favorite entry in the series because of the simplistic charm of it. There's puzzles, exploration, awkward by interesting platforming. There's a real sense of adventure and distinct qualities to the worlds. Every Disney world is tied to the main narrative either thematically or directly. KH2 had worlds that felt more like filler to the actual core story and each world was so flat that any sense of exploration was gone. The best thing about 2 was the combat and the boss battles. The rest was a mess to me.
Just realized that Aqua getting norted was forshadowed by the fucking purple crosses in her outfit all along, like they did with Sora in Dream Drop Distance. Goddamnit.
This reminds me of when people were bitching about the Nameless King, Gael and Midir from DS3. They were bosses that were horribly difficult at first glance, but careful observation and memorization of patterns evened the field and made tooth-grinders into cinematic brawls between gods. Until they got nerfed because shitbabies cried about difficulty. Also I kinda like shotlock. Along with flowmotion, it feels like a natural progression of a skill a keyblade wielder naturally has (those being magic and airdashing). It could be better, but it's not terrible and I could see ways to make bosses really interesting with it.
I love the Force channel but i gotta agree with you here. He really didn't put the effort into learning the boss. heck I wouldn't be shocked if with Sephiroth he used the cheese strategy. (which I tried and failed at using so I ended up just going at it again and again)
i watch a lot of that guys videos but i agree with you about Phantom Aqua, i had to fight her just as much as you did to get a handle on her. I didn't hate Phantom Aqua at all because i realized that she was basically a taste of boss fights to come in KH3, like you i started to see Phantom Aqua's patterns after a while, it was the same with Lingering Will when i battled him too. Eventually i stopped using Reflega on him and guarded instead. My point is i agree with you, but i kinda like some of his points too, not in this video exactly but he has his pros a lot too.
found this video recently, i know it's old but i have to say this because i disagree with 1 thing you said, you can use shotlock in this fight but unlike most fights you can only use it(and do any damage) at very small specific moments it was very satisfying for me when i found those moments. i also congratulate the game when he forced me to play this on a lower dificulty just that i could lern how to fight it and not be that much frustraded, when i came back to beat on critical it made me feel so good
Kingdom Hearts 2 does that kind of gating you talked about but with growth abilities and drives in areas like the Cavern of Rememberance and for certain Puzzle Pieces and I guess to an extent the Hades Cups
Agreed completely. It feels great to master a game and destroy a superboss. I've been playing a bit of Bloodborne again, and while they aren't superbosses, the regular boss enemies cause me issues because I suck and I'm not used to the speed and aggression that the game asks of you (I'm way too used to Dark Souls 3 and having defensive options). But that's the thing with mastering the game's mechanics, getting used to the boss's movesets, and knowing how to counter it: you feel like a badass when you finally win. Also, unless it's stated to be unreasonable by anyone you ask, and I'm talking about a completely unanimous opinion, there's no dignified way to make a case for "make this superboss easier." Because it's a SUPERBOSS. It's supposed to kick your ass until you figure out a counter. And then it kicks your ass some more when it hits phase two. It's going to make you work for that victory. That's why "git gud" is a thing. When you git gud, you'll feel gud.
I do have one small complaint about this boss, but it’s less about the boss and more about the circumstances for when you fight it. In KH2, I got to the Lingering Will after having played the game for over 80 hours. I had the time needed to level all my drive forms and get Sora to level 99 and to feel like I had mastered the game. Over the course of suffering through the Org. XIII data fights, I had learned some of the more technical aspects of KH2. I got to Phantom Aqua after about 6 hours of gameplay. I was around level 60 and I had no warning about a secret boss even being there. She’s at the end of an incredibly long boss rush, meaning quitting to do some grinding or practice block-jumping or to go open some chests and maybe find an elixir or two is incredibly punishing because you have to fight a fuck ton of enemies to get back to her. Not to mention that grinding at all in this game is like pulling fucking teeth, which sucks ass because multiple objectives are locked behind level grinding. In other words, I felt like I was thrown at Phantom Aqua way too early, which is the consequence of such a short game in general.
Yeah it took me almost 2 days to beat lingering will on critical mode and I was listening to podcasts and music while doing it. It was all worth beating him though for that feeling of disbelief in me beating him. The feeling that if what you just did really happened was amazing.
Wanna know something else fucked up about the mysterious figure in BBS. His stats increase and his A.I. changes depending on how many support abilities you have equipped. So the game leads you to try to master tons of commands so that you can keep the support abilities they have when you fuse commands, and then they throw you a boss that is already hard without support abilities that can actually become impossible to beat if you played the game efficiently enough!
Late post. Replaying KH2 for KH3 release. KH2 is best game right now, Super Aqua is probably the best boss I have ever played. Masterclass of boss design.
Jared probably should dove into the fight a bit more before he give his criticism, but TBH after my fourth fight I probably would agreed with Jared because 1- I'm getting mad at the boss and 2- it does seem impossible to hit until you figure it out
I think TheGamersJoint dude is just one of those fans that just enjoys KH for the lore and not for the games as a whole, meaning gameplay is not something he's interested in. So the easier the fights, the better for people like him so he can just progress with the plot.
Sounds like someone who wouldn't like Souls games and Bloodborne. It's all about pattern recognition and gradually understanding the boos until it's perfected to an art form, knowing all the options, and what to do in every situation. Making full use of all your options at the most opportune moments, and not just doing whatever the fuck you feel like. Anyone who appreciates a good challenge wouldn't be getting mad at a boss like this, because they shouldn't be playing to win, they should be playing to better understand the fight until they have the satisfaction of knowing they can respond to every situation and do it flawlessly. I mean, of course, not every fight designed like this is perfect. Some can drag on too long with parts that are easy to master that you have to complete every time to get to stuff that's hard to master, which gets annoying and boring. Some can just simply be unfair, even knowing everything about the fight. And so on...
I have no problems with "Shot"-lock commands. I don't know why your problem is with them. It doesn't take me out of the experience. It makes me feel cool, like unleashing a limit command did back in Kingdom Hearts 2.
I feel like if he got into it, Nate would be a really good FFXIV player. He has the right mindset to improve and do really well in top tier raids. They're really well designed fights that require coordination from everyone. Maybe in another life...
this boss fight was great, still haven't beat it lmao. but I did look forward to Aqua and Mickey vs nega Ven and Terra in the RoD, since we saw that in the trailer. now a two v two battle with Phantom Aqua difficulty? gimme that
I can explain to you people's issues with the last phantom aqua fight and it is one of my biggest problems with Kingdom Hearts, and video games, today. People have this need to feel like the have mastered a game, and this tends to mean beating the extra bosses and the highest difficulty but they aren't good enough to do so. So Square lowers the bar, or in the case of DDD and 0.2, not allow me to start in my sweet sweet critical mode from the start; Proud mode is too easy and critical mode doesn't have the same fun the second time through. I love the challenge and the need to memorize and figure out patterns, however, this is not for everyone. They complain because they feel like it's too hard or that they are being cheated when its actually the best thing: well designed difficult non-required boss fights. The data org, lingering will, and KH1 Unknown are all good examples of this. I had so much fun trying to do the flawless victory objective (3rd PA with no damage) and I don't want KH3 not force me to do a story only proud mode run before I can have critical! PS. Birth by Sleep gets a pass for it's questionable combat but having the best and most tragic story. It really showed that Square was not scared to have deep and emotional stories. Although, screw the unknown fight. That dude honestly made my thumb sore from the endless square mashing needed.
i wanna say that ive done a lvl 1 play through of final mix + weaboo語 version. I think it really brings to light some of the flaws with the combat system in KH2 like for instances recovery frames on certain attacks and abilities(Ex. roll, finishers, landing from jump etc.) . and lack of options for mobility in combat, (roll and dash are the only abilities and they are very stiff, sometimes unresponsive at crucial times) which because of this i have met with many deaths because the game is literally two hits and you are dead. in 90 percent of the engagements. bosses make the latter 10 percent which is way more lenient on mistakes for obvious reasons. 0.2 i haven't seen someone really show off the combat system and the mobility that can be showcased because ive only seen noob casuals play this demo but i think it has promise, i just wanna see faster more responsive combat and more freedom in evasive tactics. because KH2 was just not designed to be played on lvl 1 on the hardest diff. things i'd like to see. animation cancels would be nice to add a deeper layer of combat. ohh maybe different key blades can offer a different style of combat, like heavy atacks and light and mid attacks. magic being used as evasive options instead of just defensive or attack ones. i'd like to see more of what i saw in the Pirates world in KH2 with magic.
The only real flaw the Phantom Aqua boss fight has, is that it might come off as a bit too "intense" right off the bat, whereas slightly better balanced fights like Sephiroth and LW have a more nuanced difficulty curve. But that's probably because Phantom Aqua was meant to be a shorter fight to begin with. Love you Nate k I'll shut up now bye
hahaha Nah, I love a challenge too, if it's in a game that has fun combat and interesting/likeable characters, a cool narrative, and a fleshed out world. Mainly I was just joking. But then so were you I hope.
so basically us has fans have just been severed boss fights that we thought were hard but weren't because we were always given something that made that fight easier so we could win and feel good about ourselves. A another RUclips I watch called Nico B also had the same problems with the fight but I was frustrated because he cheesed a lot of battles and he made me realize that squarenix knows what their doing and their selling us the illusion that we think we are good at games when we're really not. SO at the end people are just mad they weren't sold the illusion of wining THIS is the first KH battle where they said OK here is a boss you have no cheese move to rely on good luck and have fun and people didn't like that it's kinda like when you feed someone something they love for years and then suddenly change it their not going to be happy about it.
Now I'm like BestGuyEver I want more bosses like this in KH3. I had trouble with phantom aqua too but when I finally beat her i was so Happy it was the most rewarding boss fight ever no other KH secret boss came close to the euphoria i felt when I beat her I WAS LIKE YEAH I DID IT I WON. great video dude thank you for opening my eyes to the light
The issue with Phantom Aqua is it always feels like I'm exploiting things. A lot of the stuff you can do to get hits reads like something a speed runner would say to beat a boss extra fast, not to get hits in at all. You can't have to do anything weird to hit the Lingering Spirit. You don't have to bait the AI. Same with the Data Organization fights. You CAN exploit them, but that's just more optimal. The way they punish guards isn't really an evolution, it's a "haha gotcha" where instead of guarding and countering a move, it has attacks that pierce guard... so you have to spam dodge. An attack that goes against your mechanics needs more conveyance. A wind up or something. The attacks Phantom Aqua uses are just normal attacks but with red. Similarly, If you actually use a counter attack she warps away. You have to do something unintuitive instead, jumping to cancel the animation for a combo. Her desperation move is just following a basic pattern. It seems cool at first, overwhelming, but it's not really hard to deal with, it's just not possible at first because each attack requires a very specific counter. That's honestly the problem with the boss as a whole, it's all about following specific patterns a lot. A fight can be simple and difficult. The Lingering Spirit fires an Ultima Canon at you, you counter it with a block, it hits and creates an opening. Simple. Frankly, it's concerning you find this fight to be on the same level as the Lingering Spirit, and it's funny that you go on about how this other person needs to do more research before making a video, but keep on going on about how you don't know anything about the guy, his opinions, his channel, or anything.
I would agree with you EXCEPT, it's an optional fight for top level players with minimal relevance to the overall story. Compared to lingering will, we already know a lot about aqua and this boss. Players who don't want this are welcome to play on easy and beat the game normally. This is a fight for the type of people that like to play on critical and 100% KH games. It's not like they make you do a level 1 run, or have some weird condition that you need too satisfy preparing for the fight. And if it's still too hard there is this thing called grinding for players that still want to beat it.
@@GameSharks But isn't AI baiting part of that fight as well? Also, most magic doesn't work on him as well, and I'm always seeing people complaining about not being able to use their while arsenal against bosses in their critiques of later games (not that I disagree, I'd say I'm leaning towards agreement, but still). I get KH1 isn't the game that gets praised for combat around here, but I'd still like to understand what the difference is for people.
28mins of Nate explaining what "git gud" really means
Can you make a video where you rank all the KH bosses from least favorite to favorite with explanations
he would probably wanna make that more than a miamafva video.
YES PLEASE
ALL the bosses? Christ there's like 70 in KH2 alone
thats fine i'll take a 4 hour video
Joey Bellafiore I'll watch it
You're cutting it awfully close with the upload times Nate
It's great to see somebody outside the KH speedrunning community that actually knows something about game design lol. Yeah stay away from TGJ for opinions on KH gameplay, he's a major casual. I really recommend a video called the turning point btw, I know you would love it.
He already tweeted about it saying that he agreed with it.
The best thing about the Turning Point is that Bloodybizkitz made it, who is one of the World Record speedrunners. I wish he'd make more videos like that, since he's pretty good at making them entertaining.
@@Speed_Tales_
Who made a tweet agreeing
What i hate in game difficulty and design discussions in general is how people who think they are "hardcore gamers" love to call anything that destroys them "artificial difficulty". It's not that the very concept of atifical difficulty is false, but i see it being missused in 9 out of 10 times and it basically comes down to "i didn't understand something about mechanics"/"i was too lazy".
Funny thing is that this problem is not comming from casuals - they are playing easy mode and even when they try to play hard games - they are more respectful of the game and try first to understand what they are doing wrong. But a self proclaimed "hardcore gamer" often is blinded by thinking he's tough shit and when he get's killed it's always bad game design and not him.
Ole Gerko Not even gonna lie I think your right XD
I'm a complete casual and almost never play any game on hard mode but I have a friend (who I love don't get me wrong) that considers himself a very hardcore gamer and ANY time he loses he blames it on artificial difficulty. But he never listens when I point this out cause "I'm just a casual" 😂
Ole Gerko
Oh, it's the absolute worst. A lot of these motherfuckers also throw out the ol' "it's not even hard! I know I could beat it if it didn't (insert bullshit excuse here)!"
I don't know if you've played Dark Souls games, but that's the biggest problem with that community of players when it comes to Dark Souls 2. They don't learn the fights or adapt and they call it artificial difficulty just because they lose to it when the game's made the most effort to be as fair as possible with a lot of available items for you to use.
I mean DSP does exist so I'm not sure if that's entirely true
I think that's a very shallow observation of a type of person you don't like. Playing games on harder dificulty makes the flaws in the gameplay shine because you need every bit of the game to work properly.
I'm glad to see that the Osaka Team is finally learning what made KH2FM's bosses so good. Just spamming dodge and only one attack for few minutes doesn't make for an interesting fight *cough* Mysterious Figure *cough* did they forget Terra even exists while designing this boss *another unconvincing cough*. There's nothing interesting about dodging attacks, if you don't need to think about the way you dodge them. If you can just spam the dodge button forever, then avoiding damage quickly become brainless and it makes the fight a whole lot less engaging. This is why Bayonetta has a dodge reset, why your dodge move in KH1 and 2 doesn't have too many i-frames and they have a bit of recoil at the end of the animation to prevent the player from spamming. Hell, Terra's dodge would've been just fine for Birth By Sleep if they had designed everything with that dodge style in mind. But no, instead you either have a broken dodge, or a dodge that makes some of the fights feel like RNG due to the bosses not being designed with the latter in mind.
no one forces you to only use one attack. You're making the game not fun for yourself if you play the game like that.
Fairly certain I mentioned that in the context of Mysterious Figure, not the entire game. Although the rest of the "super bosses" also significantly restrict the amount of useful moves as well. They're not good boss fights.
Also how many moves in general are even useful anyway? Just throw in some magnet and thundaga and basically everything's dead.
@@highvoltage7559 that magnet thunder strategy doesnt really work for super bosses not to mention you can go about fighting them a different way
@@TheAnimatedGamerTbf, he said "in general."
Love that this video is basically one long af "git gud."
lmao well shit if that gamersjoint guy is such a bad thats what easy mode is for ffs.
Tbh, I'm not a big fan of the Gamer's Joint. The first few videos I saw by him were fine (though I can't remember what they were about now.) He eventually went clickbaity/really stereotypical stuff (top 10 weapons,top 10 characters, ect) and I was like "Alright, that's fine, I'm down." ... but idk.
Normally, I'm very open to hearing someone else's opinions when it comes to media as long as they aren't a dick (which he came across as at times.) However, the way he presented his opinions just came off as lazy or not well thought out. It's not his opinion itself that bothered me, but the fact that he didn't even know why he held that opinion, or at least couldn't present it in a coherent way. Plus, like you said, this dude must be making at least some kind of cash making these videos. This is probably his job. How on earth can you feel like you don't have to put effort (aka, playing the game) into your JOB?
(Plus, he said Aqua was worst girl which is an insult on my life itself. She gave so much for her friends and she's probably the strongest character in the series story wise. I can understand not loving her [if you hate strong, independent women who can kick your insecure ass any day and doesn't need a love interest as her sole motivator to become strong and protect]... but WORST GIRL?!
Edit: I'M NOT SALTY!)
The worst part is that it IS his job, he literally dropped out of high school so he could pursue a career doing RUclips.
100% AGREED
「Quality」Realistically, I think Aqua is understandable as she is, given her life thus far, as was Lightning for the most part. I'm not a particularly emotional or upbeat person myself, at least not when I'm doing something fairly important. Jovial or emotive characters aren't necessarily more appealing to me by default.
I suppose Nomura was going for trying to have her personality to be more "calm" like water just as Terra and Ventus personalities are based from traits of their element. Not saying her's couldn't be improved, but I'm just speculating the reason.
Well there was that one time Zack tried to ask her out. She showed her quirks with how embarrassed and awkward she felt at the situation. Bare in mind that Birth By Sleep is split to three characters, none of them get to have as much flushing out as Sora or Riku gets who have whole stories to themselves.
someone complaining about super bosses being super hard shouldn't be worth listening to those complaints to t b h (unless those bosses are so broken that you need to resort to cheating to beat, those complaints are fair, but I can already tell this one doesn't need those because its strict but fair)
humorously enough your pic is a boss that drove me utterly insane the first few times I fought him. just the fact that he was made to make the sword usless about 70% of the time made me cry.
He mentioned the other person liked the Lingering Spirit though, so there's probably something more to this
I can no longer autopilot through a boss fight? This game must be shit.
Anyone else really miss the Trinity Limits? Its a big shame they where only in the first game.
Don Chalant it would be nice to see them make a comeback in kh3.
11:51 Ok I am all about reactive Blocking, but how did you know you had to Block right THERE? In this Moment before she even appeared? IMO there should be a cue that she appears just before she appears to have the slightest chance to block her at this moment without knowing all her attacks by heart.
YESSS, I love hearing you talk about Kingdom Hearts not too many people appreciate the level to the same degree, admittedly you even more than me. But KH II is my favorite game because i love how combat feels and goddamn did it feel good to get the Golden Crown, I'm pretty sure i was on critical too.
As soon as you were saying some dude hated the fight, I thought, "Does he mean Gamers Joint?" AND YES, I was gagged. I do watch his channel (used to watch it a lot more) and I don't hate the guy at all (yeah he does kinda look like a fuckbOI, but you can't change your face), but after seeing your video (because I watched his first when it came out, and since I hadn't played the game yet, I just went along like "yeah, fuck these BBS style bosses!") I get it. I agree with everything you said, I'm here for KH getting a little bit more challenging
TheMasterofMasters XIII he's into BDSM
No, "gagged" meaning "shocked" or "surprised"
lmao close enough
I read your comment and was surprised someone on a game video used the word “gag” then I saw your Raven pic and it made sense lol.
I like how the video ended on a close up on Aqua's crotch. also that was youtuber was too salty to git gud.
someone has a crotch fetish
thekingofreyes3 I too like vaginas
I'd give her the best head
「Quality」 I get my life force from this comment
Thank you for this! I would have never even thought of even trying out the optional battles in KH0.2 if it weren't for this video.
Totally agree with the points here. And for the record, you can get at least one volley of a shotlock off on this boss after an aerial combo, but you gotta be on-point about it, which I like. It's quite stylish and satisfying if you pull it off for just a little extra damage, not a huge game-breaking chunk of damage.
Proud isn't this games hardest difficulty. Critical Mode is, and I agree. It is seriously annoying when people complain about this boss. Whenever people.say this fight is luck based, I show them my no damage run.
were you playing the aqua secret boss fight on proud mode? because it seems to me that she's a abit slow footed. not like the basic boss fight slow but just not amazing fast.
Unrelated but why is Aqua's hands bigger than her head? It bothers me.
Spyno41 kh logic
I'm sure its not nearly as hard or well designed, but the type of incredibly difficult but satisfying secret boss fight you describe reminds me of fighting henry at the end of no more heroes. He has all of these incredibly powerful moves and few openings, but the fight is so fun and it feels so good to learn the patterns and dodge his attacks that I played the fight for hours until I won. Its my favorite boss fight for a lot of the reasons you listed, so thanks for reminding me of it.
5:15 aqua best girl
kairi second best
then olette
then namine and selphie
I havent beaten undying will yet but doesn't that boss also have unblockable attacks?
I have a love/hate relationship with this fight. The design and effort of this fight is really good, forcing me to learn tactics about what to do in order to defeat her. It did take me 71 tries to defeat her, though. However, the biggest problem I had was how it feels like you don't have options during the fight and you have to do this one pattern to defeat her. Let's say if you wanted to use Spellweaver during the fight, you'll ultimately fail because sure you'll be doing twice as much damage to Aqua, once she dodges you're vulnerable because your attack string has too many frames.
I hope this becomes the general consensus about this boss and the developers make note of it. Haven't enjoyed a boss fight this much since the superbosses in KH2FM and I began to worry that they'd continue to ignore the mechanics that made KH2 great. 0.2 is definitely a step in the right direction. Side note: Aqua can jump out of her barrier if you block an attack. It gives you the option to create unique openings and land punishes that wouldn't be possible otherwise :)
If Bizkit047 and Bloodybizkitz think the boss to be good, I'm convinced. They tend to have the most informed opinions about these sorts of things.
I think TGJ has been softened by years of mediocre and hand-holding games.
I hope gamersjoint realizes that almost every single boss in KH2 has audio ques. Feel the heat. Get outa my way, guard!, that's enough, etc.
revisiting this video for some reason,
but it really got me wanting to hear your thoughts on the KH3 re:mind bosses
Cynical: "it's unguardable!"
You: "DOOOOOOOODGE!!"
not many people notice how phantom aqua always teleports in front of the camera so you never get cucked from behind or some bullshit. really good stuff in this fight
Some of my favorite memories of playing kingdom hearts are of the times when I fought a boss for days trying to figure out the timing and the patterns. Somehow losing was never a problem or annoyance.
My only question is, Is it better than the Lingering Will?
Because I still haven't beaten that boss.
I'm loving your content man. True KH dedication. Very well put. Keep up the awesome work 😊
Would the certain areas in KH2 that required max level growth abilities like glide, double jump, or certain drive forms count as a barrier similar to the trinity marks and spells of KH1? I think it does generally.
In kingdom harts 2 I managed to beat sefferoff ( I don't know how to spell his name properly if I did it was by accident) five levels under the recommended level and felt like a badass for it. I really hope that there are more fights like that in 3.
The thing with the spells in KH1 also applies to the platforming, it was much more meaningful than in KH2 even though it wasn't as smooth. I think KH1 was developed with an adventure RPG mindset and KH2 had an action RPG mindset.
You should look at NicoB's video of this,he also hated this fight but I do understand his reasons but I disagree with some of it.
His reasons is that the game doesnt teach you the "jump out of guard to immediately attack", or in a broader term, how the game doesn't teach you its advanced mechanics and you have to figure out the mechanics either by accident and then trial and error.
I completely agree, figuring out and mastering these tough bosses is the best part of the game for me.
Amazing critique/explanation
Bro I couldn't agree with you more! I can beat data org on lvl1 relatively easy(after losing to them for days ofc, just to clarify that l'm not saying they're a joke) so I know a lot of things about KH mechanics and it was so pleasant listening to you being sooo right about everything^^ I'm more than positive that you can beat data org on lvl1 too if you put enough time into it, so give it a try if you ever feel like conquering our favorite game completely. I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your channel. : )
Bitzkit has a very detailed video about the secret boss, and he agrees that even though it's not a very original boss it's still quality design.
the only problem i had was that the combos were always the same, but i understand that it wasnt the full game with all the different abilities.
I have been playing a lot of splintercell lately, and seeing you run though lit areas when there were areas of shadow available filled me with an irrational rage.
I refreshed the recommendeds and this thumbnail just popped up.
Not gonna lie, it scared me for a second.
Nate after these 10 more days are over, are you going to do more usual uploads? Like, not once a month ones. Your editing is fun and along with you being fun to watch
Man BestGuyEver you hit the nail on the head. Everything you say about gameplay and how filthy casuals like TheGamersJoint rely on crutches and complain about difficulty is spot on. These fights are supposed to be a challenge and when you beat them you should feel accomplished. Audio queues and mechanics like that make fights so much more engaging. It's supposed to be trial by fire and about learning to use your skills to counter what the boss is doing NOT spamming reflect/guard/roll (unless of course that is the only way to beat the move in which case that was the design choice of the programmers and supposed to be done). God, I want to kiss you almost as much as I want to kiss Aqua. Sorry for the short essay lol.
On the topic of Reflect spamming; Yes, I think it can easily be abused, but it can also be designed for.
During one of the extra bosses in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix the boss lets out an attack that you can't outrun, dodge, or avoid in any meaningful way, you just have to take it... or reflect spam. She never uses this attack twice in a row, in fact, the internal timer between uses of this move is long enough for your mana bar to refill. This leads me to believe that the game Devs wanted you to spam reflect for this move; so that they could limit your reliance of magic, (cure, thunder, reflect, etc.) during the rest of the fight. This forces the player to be much more aware of their mana meter if they want to survive she power combo with reflect.
Are you talking about Larxene's DM where her clones draw and quarter you? Because...you CAN block/dodge it. Or you can use summons.
The main effect of the trinity system in KH1 is that I had immense difficulty with the Coliseum and basically never played any of it and never got a lot of the optional magic or the trinity you get, missed the ones you get from that and the missable trinity in Halloween Town (because I didn't have that trinity yet), couldn't remember where any of the trinities were when I actually did get the ones you get in the story and in general just playing KH1 makes me paranoid of missing all this crap that has no system to keep track of it. So I think of them as these gates that just never become open. It's like the content beyond them doesn't even exist. I just remember hating trinities so much.
Hmm I see what u mean about the dodging on the unknown fight but other then that I didn't use any surge magic for the fight
Shoot lock?
My fav game that doing this "final battle will test all your skills" is true final boss of Rabi-Ribi that is 15 min long test of your understanding of the game's mechanics.
wait we had part 1 part 1.5 and 1.9 but we never got the part 2 that you said would happen
She had so many different moves from the teleport combo, to the back to back 360 degree crush, felt like a true boss when I beat her.
Great video. couldnt agree more even though im just a average gamer that isnt the best and like a easy to medium challenge to add fights like this for extra secret bosses is amazing. gives game more content for after you beat the main story line!
Critical is not hardest mode?
27:42 that gap tho 😍
So kid nowadays don't like challenge? No wonder these kid spent money on those aimbot.
This video brings me back to the sepiroth in KH 2. Even with the help of walkthrough, I have to repeat that fight so many times. And when I won that fight, I feel like a champ. Like I accomplished something big.
And then they gave us FM and the Lingering will. (Yes, I know there's the "1 hit fenrir" strategy. But still...)
One counterpoint I'd like to make is regarding your point about revisiting old areas in KH1 for the sake of a satisfying exploration of a previously explored level. Personally, I prefer everything being at my own pace because there are times I can consider forced reentry of old levels being just backtracking, but can understand if you can see the positive in that kind of game design.
BestGuy and Kingdom Hearts, yussss!
I love the Sephiroth fight in KH2, but for a while, I had trouble beating him on the ps2, for the sole reason I was not used of using magic in the game cuz my button for shortcuts for magic (r1 i think or r2 one of those) did not work on my controller and never switch it or didn't have one so I didn't use the reflect magic, until I got used to going to the reflect spell in the menu. I was pretty dumb, but it was so fun and rewarding when I did beat him just for him to fly away like nothing happen. I love playing proud mode in KH games cuz of the battle systems (most of them), and eventually, I forget I am playing on the hard difficulty and it feels normal to me. I agree with this, every boss has a pattern, just got to find it and adapt to them. Also, the boss fights look so cool when you know how to react to them.
4:37 This is why I hate the way GameFreak has started handing out Legendary Pokemon instead of letting me catch them myself.
I hate the MP bar so much. The magic system in KH1 is a lot better.
I swear Nate could have a game design segment.
KH1 is still my favorite entry in the series because of the simplistic charm of it. There's puzzles, exploration, awkward by interesting platforming. There's a real sense of adventure and distinct qualities to the worlds. Every Disney world is tied to the main narrative either thematically or directly. KH2 had worlds that felt more like filler to the actual core story and each world was so flat that any sense of exploration was gone. The best thing about 2 was the combat and the boss battles. The rest was a mess to me.
Just realized that Aqua getting norted was forshadowed by the fucking purple crosses in her outfit all along, like they did with Sora in Dream Drop Distance. Goddamnit.
This reminds me of when people were bitching about the Nameless King, Gael and Midir from DS3.
They were bosses that were horribly difficult at first glance, but careful observation and memorization of patterns evened the field and made tooth-grinders into cinematic brawls between gods. Until they got nerfed because shitbabies cried about difficulty.
Also I kinda like shotlock. Along with flowmotion, it feels like a natural progression of a skill a keyblade wielder naturally has (those being magic and airdashing). It could be better, but it's not terrible and I could see ways to make bosses really interesting with it.
I love the Force channel but i gotta agree with you here. He really didn't put the effort into learning the boss. heck I wouldn't be shocked if with Sephiroth he used the cheese strategy. (which I tried and failed at using so I ended up just going at it again and again)
i watch a lot of that guys videos but i agree with you about Phantom Aqua, i had to fight her just as much as you did to get a handle on her. I didn't hate Phantom Aqua at all because i realized that she was basically a taste of boss fights to come in KH3, like you i started to see Phantom Aqua's patterns after a while, it was the same with Lingering Will when i battled him too. Eventually i stopped using Reflega on him and guarded instead. My point is i agree with you, but i kinda like some of his points too, not in this video exactly but he has his pros a lot too.
found this video recently, i know it's old but i have to say this because i disagree with 1 thing you said, you can use shotlock in this fight but unlike most fights you can only use it(and do any damage) at very small specific moments it was very satisfying for me when i found those moments. i also congratulate the game when he forced me to play this on a lower dificulty just that i could lern how to fight it and not be that much frustraded, when i came back to beat on critical it made me feel so good
Okay I'm gonna have to stop you. The deck command system was awesome.
Top 10 BEST Kingdom Hearts Songs, PLEASE!!!
Kingdom Hearts 2 does that kind of gating you talked about but with growth abilities and drives in areas like the Cavern of Rememberance and for certain Puzzle Pieces and I guess to an extent the Hades Cups
A Kingdom Hearts vid? Well it's about God damn time.
Agreed completely. It feels great to master a game and destroy a superboss. I've been playing a bit of Bloodborne again, and while they aren't superbosses, the regular boss enemies cause me issues because I suck and I'm not used to the speed and aggression that the game asks of you (I'm way too used to Dark Souls 3 and having defensive options). But that's the thing with mastering the game's mechanics, getting used to the boss's movesets, and knowing how to counter it: you feel like a badass when you finally win.
Also, unless it's stated to be unreasonable by anyone you ask, and I'm talking about a completely unanimous opinion, there's no dignified way to make a case for "make this superboss easier." Because it's a SUPERBOSS. It's supposed to kick your ass until you figure out a counter. And then it kicks your ass some more when it hits phase two. It's going to make you work for that victory.
That's why "git gud" is a thing.
When you git gud, you'll feel gud.
I do have one small complaint about this boss, but it’s less about the boss and more about the circumstances for when you fight it.
In KH2, I got to the Lingering Will after having played the game for over 80 hours. I had the time needed to level all my drive forms and get Sora to level 99 and to feel like I had mastered the game. Over the course of suffering through the Org. XIII data fights, I had learned some of the more technical aspects of KH2. I got to Phantom Aqua after about 6 hours of gameplay. I was around level 60 and I had no warning about a secret boss even being there. She’s at the end of an incredibly long boss rush, meaning quitting to do some grinding or practice block-jumping or to go open some chests and maybe find an elixir or two is incredibly punishing because you have to fight a fuck ton of enemies to get back to her. Not to mention that grinding at all in this game is like pulling fucking teeth, which sucks ass because multiple objectives are locked behind level grinding. In other words, I felt like I was thrown at Phantom Aqua way too early, which is the consequence of such a short game in general.
Yeah it took me almost 2 days to beat lingering will on critical mode and I was listening to podcasts and music while doing it. It was all worth beating him though for that feeling of disbelief in me beating him. The feeling that if what you just did really happened was amazing.
I don't hate the guy but outta all the kh youtubers he's the last person you want to know about kh gameplay. Also that zoom in on aqua at the end tho
I agree Dodging should be as important as Blocking.
Wanna know something else fucked up about the mysterious figure in BBS.
His stats increase and his A.I. changes depending on how many support abilities you have equipped. So the game leads you to try to master tons of commands so that you can keep the support abilities they have when you fuse commands, and then they throw you a boss that is already hard without support abilities that can actually become impossible to beat if you played the game efficiently enough!
Late post.
Replaying KH2 for KH3 release.
KH2 is best game right now, Super Aqua is probably the best boss I have ever played. Masterclass of boss design.
21:13It's Shot lock not Shoot lock lolol
Jared probably should dove into the fight a bit more before he give his criticism, but TBH after my fourth fight I probably would agreed with Jared because 1- I'm getting mad at the boss and 2- it does seem impossible to hit until you figure it out
I think TheGamersJoint dude is just one of those fans that just enjoys KH for the lore and not for the games as a whole, meaning gameplay is not something he's interested in. So the easier the fights, the better for people like him so he can just progress with the plot.
Opinions on Julius? For me I think he's as good a boss as possible for the command-deck style of gameplay.
Sounds like someone who wouldn't like Souls games and Bloodborne. It's all about pattern recognition and gradually understanding the boos until it's perfected to an art form, knowing all the options, and what to do in every situation. Making full use of all your options at the most opportune moments, and not just doing whatever the fuck you feel like.
Anyone who appreciates a good challenge wouldn't be getting mad at a boss like this, because they shouldn't be playing to win, they should be playing to better understand the fight until they have the satisfaction of knowing they can respond to every situation and do it flawlessly.
I mean, of course, not every fight designed like this is perfect. Some can drag on too long with parts that are easy to master that you have to complete every time to get to stuff that's hard to master, which gets annoying and boring. Some can just simply be unfair, even knowing everything about the fight. And so on...
I have no problems with "Shot"-lock commands. I don't know why your problem is with them. It doesn't take me out of the experience. It makes me feel cool, like unleashing a limit command did back in Kingdom Hearts 2.
I feel like if he got into it, Nate would be a really good FFXIV player. He has the right mindset to improve and do really well in top tier raids. They're really well designed fights that require coordination from everyone. Maybe in another life...
this boss fight was great, still haven't beat it lmao. but I did look forward to Aqua and Mickey vs nega Ven and Terra in the RoD, since we saw that in the trailer. now a two v two battle with Phantom Aqua difficulty? gimme that
I can explain to you people's issues with the last phantom aqua fight and it is one of my biggest problems with Kingdom Hearts, and video games, today. People have this need to feel like the have mastered a game, and this tends to mean beating the extra bosses and the highest difficulty but they aren't good enough to do so. So Square lowers the bar, or in the case of DDD and 0.2, not allow me to start in my sweet sweet critical mode from the start; Proud mode is too easy and critical mode doesn't have the same fun the second time through. I love the challenge and the need to memorize and figure out patterns, however, this is not for everyone. They complain because they feel like it's too hard or that they are being cheated when its actually the best thing: well designed difficult non-required boss fights. The data org, lingering will, and KH1 Unknown are all good examples of this. I had so much fun trying to do the flawless victory objective (3rd PA with no damage) and I don't want KH3 not force me to do a story only proud mode run before I can have critical!
PS. Birth by Sleep gets a pass for it's questionable combat but having the best and most tragic story. It really showed that Square was not scared to have deep and emotional stories. Although, screw the unknown fight. That dude honestly made my thumb sore from the endless square mashing needed.
i find that kingdom hearts 0.2 is like a really late demo for kingdom hearts 3
i wanna say that ive done a lvl 1 play through of final mix + weaboo語 version.
I think it really brings to light some of the flaws with the combat system in KH2 like for instances recovery frames on certain attacks and abilities(Ex. roll, finishers, landing from jump etc.) . and lack of options for mobility in combat, (roll and dash are the only abilities and they are very stiff, sometimes unresponsive at crucial times) which because of this i have met with many deaths because the game is literally two hits and you are dead. in 90 percent of the engagements. bosses make the latter 10 percent which is way more lenient on mistakes for obvious reasons.
0.2 i haven't seen someone really show off the combat system and the mobility that can be showcased because ive only seen noob casuals play this demo but i think it has promise, i just wanna see faster more responsive combat and more freedom in evasive tactics. because KH2 was just not designed to be played on lvl 1 on the hardest diff.
things i'd like to see. animation cancels would be nice to add a deeper layer of combat. ohh maybe different key blades can offer a different style of combat, like heavy atacks and light and mid attacks. magic being used as evasive options instead of just defensive or attack ones. i'd like to see more of what i saw in the Pirates world in KH2 with magic.
Thank you dude.
The only real flaw the Phantom Aqua boss fight has, is that it might come off as a bit too "intense" right off the bat, whereas slightly better balanced fights like Sephiroth and LW have a more nuanced difficulty curve. But that's probably because Phantom Aqua was meant to be a shorter fight to begin with.
Love you Nate k I'll shut up now bye
"It took my 40 or 50 times to beat it on the hardest mode" "Now I love it"
That sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome than love m80.
hahaha
Nah, I love a challenge too, if it's in a game that has fun combat and interesting/likeable characters, a cool narrative, and a fleshed out world.
Mainly I was just joking. But then so were you I hope.
Is this a gaming channel now? Noice
so basically us has fans have just been severed boss fights that we thought were hard but weren't because we were always given something that made that fight easier so we could win and feel good about ourselves.
A another RUclips I watch called Nico B also had the same problems with the fight but I was frustrated because he cheesed a lot of battles and he made me realize that squarenix knows what their doing and their selling us the illusion that we think we are good at games when we're really not.
SO at the end people are just mad they weren't sold the illusion of wining THIS is the first KH battle where they said OK here is a boss you have no cheese move to rely on good luck and have fun and people didn't like that
it's kinda like when you feed someone something they love for years and then suddenly change it their not going to be happy about it.
Now I'm like BestGuyEver I want more bosses like this in KH3.
I had trouble with phantom aqua too but when I finally beat her i was so Happy it was the most rewarding boss fight ever no other KH secret boss came close to the euphoria i felt when I beat her I WAS LIKE YEAH I DID IT I WON.
great video dude thank you for opening my eyes to the light
Necro, but what are your thoughts on the bosses for KH1? The challenging ones, I mean.
The issue with Phantom Aqua is it always feels like I'm exploiting things. A lot of the stuff you can do to get hits reads like something a speed runner would say to beat a boss extra fast, not to get hits in at all. You can't have to do anything weird to hit the Lingering Spirit. You don't have to bait the AI. Same with the Data Organization fights.
You CAN exploit them, but that's just more optimal.
The way they punish guards isn't really an evolution, it's a "haha gotcha" where instead of guarding and countering a move, it has attacks that pierce guard... so you have to spam dodge. An attack that goes against your mechanics needs more conveyance. A wind up or something. The attacks Phantom Aqua uses are just normal attacks but with red. Similarly, If you actually use a counter attack she warps away. You have to do something unintuitive instead, jumping to cancel the animation for a combo.
Her desperation move is just following a basic pattern. It seems cool at first, overwhelming, but it's not really hard to deal with, it's just not possible at first because each attack requires a very specific counter. That's honestly the problem with the boss as a whole, it's all about following specific patterns a lot. A fight can be simple and difficult. The Lingering Spirit fires an Ultima Canon at you, you counter it with a block, it hits and creates an opening. Simple.
Frankly, it's concerning you find this fight to be on the same level as the Lingering Spirit, and it's funny that you go on about how this other person needs to do more research before making a video, but keep on going on about how you don't know anything about the guy, his opinions, his channel, or anything.
I would agree with you EXCEPT, it's an optional fight for top level players with minimal relevance to the overall story. Compared to lingering will, we already know a lot about aqua and this boss. Players who don't want this are welcome to play on easy and beat the game normally. This is a fight for the type of people that like to play on critical and 100% KH games. It's not like they make you do a level 1 run, or have some weird condition that you need too satisfy preparing for the fight. And if it's still too hard there is this thing called grinding for players that still want to beat it.
none of what you said is unique to phantom aqua or the lingering spirit. phantom aqua is just worse designed
What are your thoughts on KH1 Sephiroth?
@@laststrike4411 very good
@@GameSharks But isn't AI baiting part of that fight as well? Also, most magic doesn't work on him as well, and I'm always seeing people complaining about not being able to use their while arsenal against bosses in their critiques of later games (not that I disagree, I'd say I'm leaning towards agreement, but still). I get KH1 isn't the game that gets praised for combat around here, but I'd still like to understand what the difference is for people.
Yeah dude i loved this fight. I didnt even know that it was a secret though. I kinda just found on my first playthrough by accident lol