13C is huge. All without increasing the size and quiet. Imagine an enclosure engineered for air jet. Good stuff. Unfortunately can’t invest in Frore. :p
at the end it was at 68 vs 59. you can see the camera sneak over and away fast. im sure its an improvement in temps. we could get a simple test to see how much heat it transfers. maybe 5 watts per chip. i think this product is awesome. i cant wait to see it used.
@@666NecropsyIt was still 55 lol, just looks like it could be 59 because that part of the 8 segment display is cut off. You realize it's Adam behind the camera right, not the manufacturer... not everything is a conspiracy
I'm hoping this can improve thermoelectric cooling. Maybe even ditch the copper base and put it directly on a Peltier device from a company like Phononic.
Great to see this new tech (non-tech) stuff com8ng about. Wit( power and heat requirements going up on portable PCs, storage and graphics devices, it’s interesting to see what this new cooking can bring to the table
Can the airjet fit phone cases and maintain thermals without needing vapour chamber and copper heatsink in phone and steam deck? It's their cable connector proprietary or open source?
M.2 is a standard size, they should look into selling some 3rd party adapters that could fit onto some of those upcoming PCIe 5.0 drives if they can't partner with drive makers.
👍 That is awesome PC news, thanks. I can't remember what they said about dust, does it run in reverse and back to break it up or what? Dust gets everywhere, no stopping it.
This may sound like an odd system spec requirement but anyone like me waiting for a new reasonably priced notebook computer with Airjet for better cooling and performance?
I'd love to see these things on PCIE Gen5 Nvmes rather than those obnoxious things they are proposing.. if they need such cooling, I'm gonna stay on Gen4 for the foreseeable future, especially given 4K reads are still the same no matter what.
Very cool, but kinda niche. Gen5 SSDs will definitely throttle or shut down if they overheat. You can see that in action over on Derbauer's channel, but in that case as well I believe he was using a synthetic torture test to create those high temp environments. Has Frome given up on trying this on phone SOCs like they were initially saying in that interview earlier this year?
So.... what is the point of cooling a Ring Doorbell Pro? What extra compute is it doing that makes it run hot enough to benefit from cooling? Mine runs pretty warm stock but no need for cooling. Is it doing onboard AI detection instead of the servers doing the work? Or... is it pointless?
My guess is that it's mirror like on the bottom but intentionally rough on the inside to increase surface area and improve thermal saturation of the air.
These keep getting featured but it's been months now and we've only seen demo products using it and like this, only ones that were previously passively cooled. When they're so hesitant to say anything about price it concerns me that they're prohibitively expensive vs a plain old fan. Whether that's because they're simply expensive to make or because they need to recoup their R&D into it remains to be seen.
@@nospamas8926 My thoughts as well. Fans are hardly complex but the supply chain is so robust at this point that their cost is laughably miniscule. Any manufacturer that does employ this is going to use it as a selling point for an upcharge. The fact they _still_ haven't mentioned pricing tells you it's far more than we'll be happy with or else it would be front and center. Not to mention I've seen several SSDs die in the last few years so it's not like I have a lot of trust in solid state devices over tried and true electric motors. (I'm literally dealing with Crucial right now to RMA an nvme that didn't last 10 months) If this thing fails it becomes an insulator quick and a liability if it's not user changeable. I just don't see it graduating past applications that are extremely profile sensitive. Things like phones and tablets need to maintain a certain level of water resistance so putting air flow ports in them will be a massive no-no. I only see it being viable in ultra thin, ultra low power laptops or back of monitor nucs for POS terminals. Once you try to scale it up your heat dissipation is reliant on large fin stacks, not the airflow source, limiting any benefits of a low profile flow source. If they can get costs down I still don't see it replacing fans in any measurable quantity. Still cool tech though. Pun intended.
These things are essentially mems chips, they can be produced the same way other silicon chips are, and they are generally produced on nodes measured in micrometers rather than nanometers. Once they secure orders you can expect production to ramp up fairly quickly as there's nothing expensive about them at all. Months is not a long time for mass consumption adaptation, likely its about now r&d teams are exploring their use.
@@steffennilsen2132 The fun part might be when these things do get cheap enough we might see them stacked on something like a radiator. Can you imagine an NHD-15 but instead of fans it has these things all over the fin-stack? Not that it'll necessarily be power efficient at that scale, but that doesn't stop people using TECs for that kinda stuff.
@@zodwraith5745 Crucial solid state drives aren't that reliable, have had one die on me personally. Samsung (always bought samsung ssds until I tried Crucial, then went back to samsung ssds) and later WD, hate to say it WD have been decent performers in terms of longevity so far. The WD drive has lasted alot longer than the crucial drive that's for sure. On my second WD nvme now, will see how that goes. But guaranteed reliability at reasonable prices Samsung TLC nand in almost all scenarios. I do have a QVO drive but thats only for general storage with hardly much writes - as the write speed is absolute garbage lol.
One point bothers me about the solid state cooler. The point of how they are implemented. These then come like the everyday fan as purchasable modules or are they glued to the parts as unmaintainable components, welded or something in the direction. If they can be bought like normal fans then they can be more expensive at the beginning until they can be properly produced. If you come along like all these Unifans, the stuff can go straight back to where it came from. And if you make them unmaintainable on everything, as described above, they are just as pointless.
This system is absurdly inefficient and wasteful, not to mention probably stupidly expensive. If you stacked these to cool a PC you'd need 50 of these and it would consume 10 times more power than a $3 fan.
@@Leosalvaje_ Absolutely not. You couldnt be any more wrong. The power rating of this compared to how much power it consumes is insane. Fans use next to no power
I'd love to see some type of DIY versions of the Airjet sold with a standard connector so anyone can buy them for hobby projects.
same !
Me too.. i found this video by trying to figure out how to buy one for a project I'm working on...
@@forxstsombodi3043did you ever figure out how?
Imagine this in the Steam Deck!
They actually made a whole pitch on it being used in the SD
More better than Linus vid!
Woundn’t be strong enough.
@@WeAreMovieMakers how so ???
@@WeAreMovieMakers You can have heatpipes travelling across the APU die and multiple of these units placed along the length of the pipes.
13C is huge. All without increasing the size and quiet. Imagine an enclosure engineered for air jet. Good stuff. Unfortunately can’t invest in Frore. :p
at the end it was at 68 vs 59. you can see the camera sneak over and away fast. im sure its an improvement in temps. we could get a simple test to see how much heat it transfers. maybe 5 watts per chip. i think this product is awesome. i cant wait to see it used.
@@666NecropsyIt was still 55 lol, just looks like it could be 59 because that part of the 8 segment display is cut off. You realize it's Adam behind the camera right, not the manufacturer... not everything is a conspiracy
@@formuIafun you maybe right its cutoff at the edge of the screen. agree not everything is.
I'm very much interested in this new tech, How can i invest in Frore, if you have any info on that then please let me know. 🙏
I feel that since this has been achieved that this type of cooling could take off like CPUs did back in the 90's and 2000's
Literally and figuratively 😂
wow nice! I didnt expect to see a marketable product this fast. it's only been a few months since the last demo video!
This innovation is going to make products slimmer and the use case´s are many.
Definitely loving all the coverage!
AirJet is blowing my mind!
I'm hoping this can improve thermoelectric cooling. Maybe even ditch the copper base and put it directly on a Peltier device from a company like Phononic.
I think this might become so much more compelling in two more generations
7:38 in Fahrenheit, that is ~25 degrees difference.
Impressive.
Most impressive.
Looks like additive manufacturing with a step, or few steps, after sintering, which may explain the welded spots. Brilliant engineering.
Great to see this new tech (non-tech) stuff com8ng about. Wit( power and heat requirements going up on portable PCs, storage and graphics devices, it’s interesting to see what this new cooking can bring to the table
this is the best tech ever! I am sick and tired of fans going bigger and bigger just to cool newest gpu...
Imagine this on gen 5 ssds with massive heat sinks
Gordon always rocks!
Can the airjet fit phone cases and maintain thermals without needing vapour chamber and copper heatsink in phone and steam deck? It's their cable connector proprietary or open source?
M.2 is a standard size, they should look into selling some 3rd party adapters that could fit onto some of those upcoming PCIe 5.0 drives if they can't partner with drive makers.
👍 That is awesome PC news, thanks. I can't remember what they said about dust, does it run in reverse and back to break it up or what? Dust gets everywhere, no stopping it.
So this works like a diaphragm fuel pump, on those old Briggs motors?
This may sound like an odd system spec requirement but anyone like me waiting for a new reasonably priced notebook computer with Airjet for better cooling and performance?
Frore you need to IPO ASAP. Investors will go nuts about investing in this technology
So many companies will use this technology ❤❤❤❤❤
so its basically like a small fan?
Old technology finally put in a case for cooling
Please!!!! I want a laptop with this!!!!! Tell them Gordon!!!
they better put one in every portable device out there.
The amount of these they would need to cool a phone would take up the size of the phone lmao.
I'd love to see these things on PCIE Gen5 Nvmes rather than those obnoxious things they are proposing.. if they need such cooling, I'm gonna stay on Gen4 for the foreseeable future, especially given 4K reads are still the same no matter what.
Very cool, but kinda niche.
Gen5 SSDs will definitely throttle or shut down if they overheat. You can see that in action over on Derbauer's channel, but in that case as well I believe he was using a synthetic torture test to create those high temp environments.
Has Frome given up on trying this on phone SOCs like they were initially saying in that interview earlier this year?
How much would 1 such cost
So.... what is the point of cooling a Ring Doorbell Pro? What extra compute is it doing that makes it run hot enough to benefit from cooling? Mine runs pretty warm stock but no need for cooling. Is it doing onboard AI detection instead of the servers doing the work? Or... is it pointless?
Curious to know if there's a particular reason that the copper is not polished to a mirror finish ? is it to increase the cooling surface area?
isn't it extra cost to win just a little performance
My guess is that it's mirror like on the bottom but intentionally rough on the inside to increase surface area and improve thermal saturation of the air.
How much?
This is rad
ZikeDrive + this?
Well and less heat increases longevity
effective cooling means less failures on read and write and increase in longevity.
Will it eventually get clogged with dust?
No. It has ~100x the static pressure of a spinning fan.
You know what's going to happen; it could be used for efficiency but instead it will be used to increase power density. Unlimited powerrr!
These keep getting featured but it's been months now and we've only seen demo products using it and like this, only ones that were previously passively cooled. When they're so hesitant to say anything about price it concerns me that they're prohibitively expensive vs a plain old fan. Whether that's because they're simply expensive to make or because they need to recoup their R&D into it remains to be seen.
it doesn't *look* like they're more complex than an electric motor in a fan, but I'm sure theres a question of ramp up and scale.
@@nospamas8926 My thoughts as well. Fans are hardly complex but the supply chain is so robust at this point that their cost is laughably miniscule. Any manufacturer that does employ this is going to use it as a selling point for an upcharge. The fact they _still_ haven't mentioned pricing tells you it's far more than we'll be happy with or else it would be front and center.
Not to mention I've seen several SSDs die in the last few years so it's not like I have a lot of trust in solid state devices over tried and true electric motors. (I'm literally dealing with Crucial right now to RMA an nvme that didn't last 10 months) If this thing fails it becomes an insulator quick and a liability if it's not user changeable.
I just don't see it graduating past applications that are extremely profile sensitive. Things like phones and tablets need to maintain a certain level of water resistance so putting air flow ports in them will be a massive no-no. I only see it being viable in ultra thin, ultra low power laptops or back of monitor nucs for POS terminals. Once you try to scale it up your heat dissipation is reliant on large fin stacks, not the airflow source, limiting any benefits of a low profile flow source.
If they can get costs down I still don't see it replacing fans in any measurable quantity. Still cool tech though. Pun intended.
These things are essentially mems chips, they can be produced the same way other silicon chips are, and they are generally produced on nodes measured in micrometers rather than nanometers. Once they secure orders you can expect production to ramp up fairly quickly as there's nothing expensive about them at all. Months is not a long time for mass consumption adaptation, likely its about now r&d teams are exploring their use.
@@steffennilsen2132 The fun part might be when these things do get cheap enough we might see them stacked on something like a radiator. Can you imagine an NHD-15 but instead of fans it has these things all over the fin-stack? Not that it'll necessarily be power efficient at that scale, but that doesn't stop people using TECs for that kinda stuff.
@@zodwraith5745 Crucial solid state drives aren't that reliable, have had one die on me personally. Samsung (always bought samsung ssds until I tried Crucial, then went back to samsung ssds) and later WD, hate to say it WD have been decent performers in terms of longevity so far. The WD drive has lasted alot longer than the crucial drive that's for sure. On my second WD nvme now, will see how that goes. But guaranteed reliability at reasonable prices Samsung TLC nand in almost all scenarios. I do have a QVO drive but thats only for general storage with hardly much writes - as the write speed is absolute garbage lol.
I HOPE IT IS GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I'M THINKING IN A ROG ALLY / STEAM DECK ECC.
price and easy availability is important otherwise staying old fan cooling is safe.
Cool!
I want this for my 6800u.
In other words, it's an oversold POC up til now.
Speaking of power supplies, this thing she definitely be put in power supplies lol.
Can’t wait for someone to tear one of these down all the way
in other words its an oscillating pump.
Only known about it for a few minutes, but I already want to modify computers with these coolers. lol
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One point bothers me about the solid state cooler.
The point of how they are implemented.
These then come like the everyday fan as purchasable modules
or are they glued to the parts as unmaintainable components, welded or something in the direction.
If they can be bought like normal fans then they can be more expensive at the beginning until they can be properly produced.
If you come along like all these Unifans, the stuff can go straight back to where it came from.
And if you make them unmaintainable on everything, as described above, they are just as pointless.
I expect ht vision pro to be running this cause tis silent
It's all doa if it's noisy
china is going to make this cheaper like those usb ultrasonic water mist maker .... cant wait to buy.....
cool a intel cpu now if you dare
Isn't the whole point that Frore's coolers ... aren't revolutionary?
Oh you
This system is absurdly inefficient and wasteful, not to mention probably stupidly expensive. If you stacked these to cool a PC you'd need 50 of these and it would consume 10 times more power than a $3 fan.
a fan is still expensive in comparison
@@Leosalvaje_ Absolutely not. You couldnt be any more wrong. The power rating of this compared to how much power it consumes is insane. Fans use next to no power
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