Something you guys missed during the SG10 coverage is that Calyos have rug pulled their customers in the past. Thought GN should be aware of it given you guys' strong stance on consumer protections.
@@riba2233 They noted on their WAN show that they would not cover them if they didn't make amends with the community after they also got caught up in this kerfuffle. (I.e giving customers the opportunity of refunds)
I am absolutely in LOVE with those gauges and I really hope they come out. If they haven't already, I really think they would have an audience in the Audiophile space now that analog VU meters are all but dead in the market. I'm also ecstatic to see plug-in power supplies finally getting some mainstream attention after being a favorite in the SFF space for years.
I'm a pc building enthusiast with many years experience and while my personal rig is a dense SFF build, I really appreciate that a product like this is available, even for £1000, because there just are scenarios where a powerful pc that's entirely passive is necessary, for example GN's sound testing booth. Great job guys! ❤
@@neetop1557 Yeah, I disagree with their memory and storage pricing and options in general, and complete lack of GPU AV1 support. But yes, I’m actually looking forward to the M3 models, my last purchase was prior to the M2 release and the greatest dealbreaker for me was the lack of HDMI 2.1 then (came with the M2 refresh).
@@neetop1557I think if you're in the apple ecosystem that can work, but some people's workflow revolves around Windows and asking someone who's well tuned to Windows to switch probably wouldn't help them out. For example, if you have macros and widgets and other small adjustments built in, and then having to forgo all that.
Damn, those dials actually look good and they're a reasonable price point too (although $20 per sounds better lol), thanks for showing them! Really good use of E-ink too. I appreciate computer companies thinking outside of the RGB box so I think I might have to pick a set up! One idea that would be nice is if they were magnetic so they could easily be stacked together both vertically and horizontally.
@@reptilez13 Yes, the refresh rate on e-ink displays is limited. So they are not suited for fast changing information. But that's why we use them for demarcation (what is the "backdrop " behind the needle so you know which dial is showing which information).
Thank you! I really appreciate the feedback. Using magnets for stacking is a good idea. The VU1 are made from aluminium so they are relatively "heavy" and have rubber feet so they don't slip. And you can definitely stack them both vertically and horizontally. They also have a M3 mounting hole on the back so you can mount them to a custom "holder". :)
As someone that really loves silent, i like this a lot. Theres a chance i'd want to add optional 140mm Fans on unhearable low RPM though for a little improved performance during hotter days.
Could just be a marketing copout, though: We thought it sells because it's unusual. You figure out how it is supposed to be useful. I mean, seriously, they're analog status gauges. Yeah, how much creative stuff can you do with them. Their purpose is quite overtly conveyed. It's like: _Here is a glowstick that glows yellow on one end and violet on the other. You buy it and figure out what amazing things you can do with it._
making generic customizable analog displays is a "need"/ demand. kinda hard to say you make things people dont "need" unless your business is fillled with financial flops and your ok with it, niche markets are still you filling a demand most bigger company dont care to fill and something smaller ones are more fit to fill
That's stupid. I'd rather products that actually try to solve problems. The only people who like products that don't solve problems are those who don't solve problems themselves. But I bet you're really "cool and unique".
The VUI/VU1 units are potentially really interesting for use with flight/racing sims. Depending on the amount of customization/programming available it might be a cheap(er) alternative to other solutions when building custom cockpits, etc.
Thank you! We wanted to have replaceable back drop, so that the dial is not "locked" to what information it can display (ie. If the backplate was fixed and it says CPU, you would be kind of locked to showing CPU information). So in order to avoid that, after a lot of experimentation, the e-ink was the best way forward. :)
That full passive case is super fascinating! I think it could be really useful in an audio recording environment where you can't place the PC in a different room.
@@SasaKaranovic It's original, versatile and pleasing to look at (too many digital gauges nowadays, just look at new cars). It could well provide some old school soul to our computers.
Same here, I love that it looks like the kind of doodad you used to see in 5,25" bays in the 2000s. I think that's the first one of those expo demos that's ever actually convinced me to buy a product.
OMG! Is that a loop heatpipe? Finally! It was very sad when Calyos didn't bring that technology to market. About time the pinnacle of heat transport makes it into electronics cooling.
• backer of calyos? Yes. 600 Bucks. • Money gone? Yes. All gone. • Shipping costs refund? No. All gone. • Any deals with Streacom? As a backer...you can buy a Streacom with a very, very small discount.
Didn't you listen? He said it's not a heatpipe. It's a loop. That's why it doesn't need heatpipe technology. But OK, we don't have to argue terminology. But I'd just call it a heat loop. Otherwise any liquid cooling system is a loop heatpipe, too.
Those VU1 gauges look cool, if I did streaming I'd probably have a couple set up to display upload/download speeds that way I could tell if dropped frames were something on my end or not at a glance. Oh and probably another 4, with a pair showing CPU/GPU temps, and another pair showing CPU/GPU load %. You don't know how much easier it is to stream when you know your stuff's working right until you set it up so that the info is right in front of you.
Yes! This is one of the use-cases that we considered. You can definitely do this with VU1 (and also what I use them for, except I don't stream, yet.). :)
@@SasaKaranovic I'm sure I'm not smarter than the software engineers working on the VU1 project, but I have seen many "monitoring software" type applications only make the problem worse by taking roughly 10% of the CPU to just display a fancy animation or something like that when a baked-in animated texture (maybe a PNG or GIF, I'm not sure if there are dedicated data formats for an animated texture that would have even lower performance impact) would have worked just as well and had next to no performance impact. I just see so many programs out there that let you use a 2d/3d avatar for your stream-facing visual presence, and they're all needlessly heavy programs because they almost universally use the Unity engine for everything. With enough time and effort invested, I could probably get just as good results out of the Source engine from 2006, and I can get my computer (with nothing else running) to run THAT at like 300 FPS even at 4k resolutions if I let it have all the resources it wants to give me as much frames as it can, and I only have an i7-9700k CPU and a Nvidia RTX 3070 Ti video card. (with an engine this old, not much would change if I used my old system that had an i7-4930k and a pair of nvidia GTX 970's in SLI). If I restricted its framerate to 60fps and its resolution to 720p (more than enough for something that gets scaled down and sits in the corner or edge of the 1080p 60fps stream itself), the same "2006-era Source engine" vtuber software would probably use a very small portion of my CPU and GPU, MUCH smaller than the upwards of 25% CPU/GPU usage that is more typical of the currently popular Vtuber software. So basically, if it's just a simple status display like these VU1 meters, that doesn't get broadcast to the stream, it's easy to see how I come to the conclusion that a program to drive such meters shouldn't take up even 1% of CPU (and since it's not displaying anything on any monitors, it should take up less than 1% of even the lowest performance GPU on the market that is still viable for doing streaming with). I mean there's software out there that ONLY drives the RGB LEDs on the motherboard and things, and yet it takes 5% of your CPU for literally no reason! Please don't be like that, or nobody with any sense is gonna use the product. All I'm saying is that I'm tired of being forced to use extremely unoptimized programs because there aren't any alternatives available, the prime example I have is for things like rendering a 2d/3d "VTuber" avatar, but there are many other problematic pieces of software out there. Yes, I'm aware that a simple webcam showing your IRL face has next to no performance impact, but many people don't want to show their face for their own reasons yet still desire the presence of a visual representation of themself on stream. I just lack the skills and motivation to make such a program myself, or I'd do it for certain and likely become very rich if I didn't decide to just give it away for free with a GPL licence.
@@44R0Ndin Great feedback! Thank you! This is one of the main reasons why we have split the server application from everything else. The server app provides a way for everything else to interact with the dials, and that's it. Then you can have one or million other applications interacting with the server. But the idea is to make the server very efficient so that people don't suffer performance hit while using the dials. The VU1 dials definitely do not support animations or streaming audio/video. Also keep in mind that we are also intentionally planning to keep server application open source and as well as the protocol. So people can contribute to the code or if they want to, build their own version. I'm not saying that the expectation is that people have to do this, but rather that we are intentionally keeping that option open.
@@SasaKaranovic That's excellent to hear, I look forward to the release of these dials, and if they hold up on release I'll be recommending them to many people I know that DO stream, so they can make use of what they have to offer.
That PSU is interesting, I could definitely imagine applications for an SFX version. My SFF system several of the PSU outputs on the SF750 are blocked by a pump-res, and cable space in general comes at a premium. Having a more user serviceable fan would be nice too.
If you have a SF750 then there is already a product that exist which does a very similar thing. It's called the J-Hack M2427 and it's basically a small daughterboard that allows you to connect the main ATX 24 pin cable to the PSU using only 7 wires (basically just 12V and ground wires)
That's a very cool case and Streacom has made some very cool products. Having watched the latest WAN show leaves a bit of a sour taste, NOT for Streacom but for their partner in this project...
Yes, also came here after Linus talked about them. To make things clear, Streacom is not the issue. Streacom is a highly reputable company. Their partner, Calyos, is the issue. Calyos made the Kickstarter that went bust and they pocketed the money.
Steve you're a freakin machine! Just pumping the videos out! Respect, man! You got to be exhausted already! Incidentally, the way this case cools is identical to an absorption refrigerator. I live off grid in my fridge is propane and works on the same principle. I bet the refrigerant is ammonia just like in mine!
This is the type of case I need for my recording studio that I am attempting to create. Zero fan noise in a quiet environment. I am an amateur trying to create an actual studio in my basement. Every bit of noise I can reduce is a plus! Thank you for sharing this video!! Edit, will this case fit an ETX motherboard supporting Threadripper?
This type of cooling relies on phase-change inside the loop, which means if you lean in close, you might actually hear the liquid boil in the evaporator. But anyway, I don't get why you'd need THIS much cooling performance in a recording studio PC. But if you do, an alternative would be Monsterlabo's "The Beast" (which is already out)
This is the case Linus was talking about on WAN show about how Calyos took kickstarters money and ran. Streacom is cool but I think GN of all people who push for warranties and manufactuer accountability would put a warning about this. At least a pin mentioning that this is in collaboration with a known grifter company.
I think this would be the right approach. I think Steve wouldn't have done this video if he knew, so there's no shade on that. But still putting some disclaimer or something would be a nice touch.
To simplify Steve's excellent sleep-deprived explanation of how it works, it's basically passive closed-loop phase-change cooling. There's a liquid coolant in the blocks which absorbs the heat energy in the blocks and evaporates, that vapor is then forced to rise through the "radiator" by the heat energy and the heat energy gets dissipated turning the vapor back into liquid form. The now liquid coolant flows back down into the blocks by gravity, thus starting the cycle again as long as there's heat transferred into the blocks.
It's not a case for me at $1,000 but it's honestly a neat case. If I ever had that most disposable income, it would be nice to have a completely silent setup. Also just a cool concept case. Also, analog gauges for my computer? ABSOLUTELY YES! God that tickles my steampunk brain.
Yeah, at that cost, I unfortunately don't belong in the target audience. But fully passive PC cooling sounds neat. As large as the case is, though, I'd probably have to put it off to the side somewhere such that I wouldn't even notice a little bit of noise. Just don't get to brag that it's completely passive 😛
@@saricubra2867 This has a cold plate for the GPU, which you'd install by removing the GPU cooler... the big silence killer will be coil whine from the GPU inductors, which is typically masked by fan noise but when there's no/low fan noise it gets very apparent lol
Love me some passive cooling setups. Those e-ink displays are really cool. And that powersupply is fantastic, people have been doing weird stuff in the SFF space, awesome to see a bigger company working in this space!
Watching this directly after the Jenson recap vid. The sound effect accompanying the GN logo at the beginning of this video was funny after the last vid ended with Jenson doing "whoosh" sound effects.
Excited about the SG10! I commented on the Hardware Canucks video that I wondered why the copper version might be 2-3x the cost of the regular -- apparently the regular one is an aluminum radiator that's painted, which is why the copper one is more expensive. Also excited about those VU1 meters, they're so cool. I love modern takes on retro things!
Now this is something I would get back into building a PC for. This is sick, literally little to no failure rates for the cooling solutions here. Passive cooling for almost the entire system is so cool. Problem is we have so many freaking connectors now that it's asinine. This is what I would build with if/when it does release. I would just place heatsinks on other places a little more, possibly a single air flow fan on the bottom for slight airflow to the mobo, but that would be it.
those e-ink gauges looks cool. i can see a retro theme with those "analog" gauges. These would be cool to use for cars that run standalone ecu (granted more expensive than a normal pod gauge).
Thanks! That's actually a pretty neat idea to make them fit into 1U rack! But also, rack space is precious! :) But just to clarify, the dials can, but don't have to be connected to the same PC you want to monitor. They just need to be connected to a PC. You could have them sitting on your desk, or a shelf or anywhere (like the Computex Demo that uses Raspberry Pi to control the dials) and show any information from another machine or multiple machines. :)
FYI these guys screwed over their kickstarter customers and still haven't delivered anything. Saying "it's just kickstarter" as if that's some sort of excuse. While the tech is cool the company is slimy and I wouldn't pre-order anything until non-influencers are getting cases in their hands.
Oh man, Those Dials are exactly what i want, Ill gladly pay £100 for 3 of them i always wanted something like this for volume, fan speed, and temps, probably more but we will see. Tbh im pretty sure streacom have the pedigree to sell the SG10 as a luxury case, and something of this spec is needed for a number of people like those who have specific titles in sound engineering or something.
The passive case is insanely impressive, and I'd love to see them work out ways to reduce cost and bring it down to a mid range consumer market, I'd buy it for $500 and the vu1 displays are absolutely beatiful, I'm super stoked to see these kinds of accessories hit the market and user servicable fans in PSUs!!! yes!!!!!
passive cooling would be REALLY cool to have for people who like silence but personally I'd rather have some sort of a semi passive situation where you still use coolant and pump to circulate. I currently have a D5 pump in my system and i CANNOT hear it even if i put my ear to the PC. I've tried shutting off all fans and listen for the pump, cant hear it. With that kind of solution, the only thing they would really need to worry about is replacing the radiator/fan combo with a passive cooling unit. I'd love to see something like that come to market
As a man who works in the HVAC field, this thing is VERY nice. Whoever soldered the lines on it knows their craft well. EXPENSIVE but still gorgeous. Test this please. I wanna see how it does.
Hey Gamers Nexus! Creator of VU1 dials here. I sincerely appreciate your feedback and also everyone else's in the comments! p.s. Sorry I missed you guys this year at Computex!
Great product. Love fan-less, noise-less computers. Have a HTPC in a Streacom case since many years. Has been awesome. My next HTPC will be fanless as well.
Every day GN is covering something even more interesting from the one before. Absolutely love the work! I’ll be honest, it’s gonna be tough going back to the regular upload schedule that isn’t a video everyday 😅. I never knew a case like this was possible, super impressive how it all works. Very much looking forward to the day you guys dive into a deeper analysis, break down, and review, of the SG10
I'll buy this if this comes to market in 6-8 months. I have a dusty apartment and its brutal trying to keep up with cleaning my fans. I've been looking for a fanless case like this.
You might want to try an open frame case, like the Thermaltake P3. People don't believe me when I say it, but trust me, it will be less dusty and easier to clean what dust you do get.
*I* absolutely am the target audience for something like the VU1! I'm a sucker for the aesthetics of analog dials. If that ever makes it to market, I'll absolutely get me one - looks *amazing* !
@@tomaszzalewski8135 Yes, if you know what you’re doing - if not it might end deadly depending on the remaining charge in the at least one large capacitor that a lay person might not know to properly discharge first ;)
@@tomaszzalewski8135 Yeah if you dont mind losing warranty that is usually very long with PSUs. Also, if you dont know what you are doing it can kill you or you can destroy it. Very user friendly...
Alot of PSU don't have fan cables soldered, rather a 3pin connector to the pcb. Unplug it (if worried about "remaining charge" just use a plier or tweezer rather than your hand), connect new fan exact same way you took the other one out. This isn't new, you don't need a degree to do it, and even my 55$ Seasonic has it. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
They are easily replaceable! However, PSUs are one of the extremely rare cases where saying "end-user repairs are very dangerous" is actually true and not just hysteric FUD propaganda.
Shoutout to streacom for making it look nice, they could have easily made this thing look like a car radiator, but slap some tempered glass side panels on there and I'd love having that on my desk.
FYI, this is the successor to the failed Calyos NSG S0. Calyos has been working with Streacom to get the project out the door, but unfortunately the backers of the original NSG S0 are pretty much SOL. Out of the over 350 backers who ordered a case, only 20 will get a case through a lottery, or everyone gets a slight discount. I understand from Streacom’s perspective but Calyos has handled communication and optics pretty terribly.
Anybody remember the VoodooPC Rage F-50 that used the Zalman TNN-500A case? Fully passive system back in 2004 that used a massive aluminum case as a giant heat sink. I really wanted one back then but couldn't afford it so went with a different air cooled Voodoo/Zalman combo. Glad I did because after TWENTY YEARS that case is STILL MY CASE. It's been through two motherboards, 4 video cards, and who knows how many hard drives, but it's still my main case. Something to be said for those old heavy duty aluminum Zalman cases.
As cool as that passive cooler is, if you really need zero noise, putting the computer in the next room and running a optical thunderbolt cable to a dock might be a better idea.
This is what I do, I run my PC in in the basement where it's nice and cool, and run USB over ethernet as well as optical display port. Also keeps kids from running in and messing with the PC :D
Streacom os such an interesting company. Been a big fan of their designs for years. I think 1k for the passive case is just put off reach for most of us. I'd love to go fully passive. But that is very steep. The Vu meters look tailor made for freelancers who need to keep tabs on their servers from home. They're stylish and would help keep tabs on servers and stuff
The VUs are really neat, and e-ink, woah, great idea! I would absolutely want to pick up some of these for fun. Like someone else said, magnets on them would be really cool.
Magnets are a good idea. But also they are quite "heavy" being made from aluminium, have rubber feet so they don't slip and you can stack them vertically and horizontally. And also have a mounting hole on the back so you could mount them to a "custom" holder. :)
Those gauges are beautiful. I'd love to have a couple sets on my wall with CPU and GPU temps, along with upload/download speed and maybe a few other things.
This actually seems incredibly slick for streamers -- the less noise in the ambient environment, the less aggressively the streamer has to tune the audio input settings. A loud PC with tons of fans screaming is a definite detriment for someone like that, especially if they're trying to use something super sensitive like an ASMR mic.
the top is how the next RTX 5000 series will look like. 1:1 scale
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Goddam... so it will get its own separate power cord then.
*"RTX 5000 pc case leaked"*
Still equipped with three 200mm fans
@@csguak 220/240 volt.
Something you guys missed during the SG10 coverage is that Calyos have rug pulled their customers in the past. Thought GN should be aware of it given you guys' strong stance on consumer protections.
yeah really weird, even LTT declined to do a coverage
They are so getting roasted on the next WAN Show 😂
Yeah kind of sad they decided to post this video without mentioning this company scammed so many people before.
@@riba2233 They noted on their WAN show that they would not cover them if they didn't make amends with the community after they also got caught up in this kerfuffle. (I.e giving customers the opportunity of refunds)
They should remove the video and address why they thought it was a good idea to cover the case.
I am absolutely in LOVE with those gauges and I really hope they come out. If they haven't already, I really think they would have an audience in the Audiophile space now that analog VU meters are all but dead in the market. I'm also ecstatic to see plug-in power supplies finally getting some mainstream attention after being a favorite in the SFF space for years.
Love seeing multiple GN uploads a day! Props to Steve and the editing team for this crazy schedule.
I am passively interested in this
So that means you're glued to your screen?
I'm a pc building enthusiast with many years experience and while my personal rig is a dense SFF build, I really appreciate that a product like this is available, even for £1000, because there just are scenarios where a powerful pc that's entirely passive is necessary, for example GN's sound testing booth. Great job guys! ❤
Hooray for completely silent audio and maybe video workstations :)
"completely silent audio and maybe video workstations"
please google apple m1
@@neetop1557 Yeah, I disagree with their memory and storage pricing and options in general, and complete lack of GPU AV1 support. But yes, I’m actually looking forward to the M3 models, my last purchase was prior to the M2 release and the greatest dealbreaker for me was the lack of HDMI 2.1 then (came with the M2 refresh).
Good example.
@@neetop1557I think if you're in the apple ecosystem that can work, but some people's workflow revolves around Windows and asking someone who's well tuned to Windows to switch probably wouldn't help them out. For example, if you have macros and widgets and other small adjustments built in, and then having to forgo all that.
I really like the e-ink VUs, and oddball case designs are always fascinating.
Damn, those dials actually look good and they're a reasonable price point too (although $20 per sounds better lol), thanks for showing them! Really good use of E-ink too. I appreciate computer companies thinking outside of the RGB box so I think I might have to pick a set up! One idea that would be nice is if they were magnetic so they could easily be stacked together both vertically and horizontally.
I wish cars used e-ink display, easier on the eyes, classy.
Yeah it makes me want to buy one just to support the idea
@Jon Donnelly I think refresh rate is an issue maybe? Or just them wanting color I guess
@@reptilez13 Yes, the refresh rate on e-ink displays is limited. So they are not suited for fast changing information. But that's why we use them for demarcation (what is the "backdrop " behind the needle so you know which dial is showing which information).
Thank you! I really appreciate the feedback.
Using magnets for stacking is a good idea. The VU1 are made from aluminium so they are relatively "heavy" and have rubber feet so they don't slip. And you can definitely stack them both vertically and horizontally. They also have a M3 mounting hole on the back so you can mount them to a custom "holder". :)
As someone that really loves silent, i like this a lot.
Theres a chance i'd want to add optional 140mm Fans on unhearable low RPM though for a little improved performance during hotter days.
I love any company who basically makes a product not to fit a need, but because it's cool and unique, and that's the reason you buy it.
That my friend is innovation!
Could just be a marketing copout, though: We thought it sells because it's unusual. You figure out how it is supposed to be useful.
I mean, seriously, they're analog status gauges. Yeah, how much creative stuff can you do with them. Their purpose is quite overtly conveyed.
It's like: _Here is a glowstick that glows yellow on one end and violet on the other. You buy it and figure out what amazing things you can do with it._
True, but sadly, that's a good way to fail for a company
making generic customizable analog displays is a "need"/ demand. kinda hard to say you make things people dont "need" unless your business is fillled with financial flops and your ok with it, niche markets are still you filling a demand most bigger company dont care to fill and something smaller ones are more fit to fill
That's stupid. I'd rather products that actually try to solve problems. The only people who like products that don't solve problems are those who don't solve problems themselves.
But I bet you're really "cool and unique".
The VUI/VU1 units are potentially really interesting for use with flight/racing sims. Depending on the amount of customization/programming available it might be a cheap(er) alternative to other solutions when building custom cockpits, etc.
It's brilliant really!
You're right, very cool! Speed-o-meter, Fuel Gage, Kerbal Space Program. CPU/GPU Temps, man so many possibilities.
That’s a great idea.
YES! By far the most interesting product from the video.
Depending on how customizable it is, you could even use it outside of computers.
Exactly what I was thinking. I want to mount those to the bottom or side of my main monitor.
Those gauges look really cool. The E-ink is a great idea.
Thank you! We wanted to have replaceable back drop, so that the dial is not "locked" to what information it can display (ie. If the backplate was fixed and it says CPU, you would be kind of locked to showing CPU information). So in order to avoid that, after a lot of experimentation, the e-ink was the best way forward. :)
@@SasaKaranovic That is brilliant and has a ton of use cases outside of PCs!
That full passive case is super fascinating! I think it could be really useful in an audio recording environment where you can't place the PC in a different room.
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There are already silent macs for that 😂
@@AryaStarky some people need x86
@@AryaStarky some needs more than a gimmick.
@@comfy_rwds yea but too bad there’s still case fans, cpu fans, and gpu fans in conventional cases
If that VU1 will be 100$ for a pack of 3 then sign me up now. That little e-ink gauge is probably the most interesting thing for me in the whole show.
Thank you so much! I'm really happy to hear that you folks really like them!
@@SasaKaranovic It's original, versatile and pleasing to look at (too many digital gauges nowadays, just look at new cars). It could well provide some old school soul to our computers.
@@SasaKaranovic These are very exciting. I could see buying a lot of these.
Ditto, at that kind of price I can see several applications, hell I would buy a set just to see how well they work.
Damn, I upvote for this too ! Really love this idea =)
I freaking love those analog e-ink readouts. Could definitely see me hooking up a couple of those in random spots on my setup.
Thank you! :)
I saw those dials and instantly got a ton of ideas, I'm definitely picking some of those up ASAP.
Hey thank you! I'm the creator of VU1 dials. I would love to hear them if you care to share? :)
Those E-Ink dials are super cool, I would definitely use them for a bunch of projects.
Thank you! Can't wait to see what you end up using them for! :)
@@SasaKaranovic Dude these are awesome, are they for sale already?
@@Dave-wv9vc Not yet but they are very close to full production, so soon! :)
I *really* love the idea of those e-ink gauges!
Same here, I love that it looks like the kind of doodad you used to see in 5,25" bays in the 2000s. I think that's the first one of those expo demos that's ever actually convinced me to buy a product.
Thank you! :)
OMG! Is that a loop heatpipe? Finally! It was very sad when Calyos didn't bring that technology to market. About time the pinnacle of heat transport makes it into electronics cooling.
I’m fairly sure that even that isn’t anything new for Streacom, it just isn’t covered much in the enthusiast space
This is the case they are making with calyos
• backer of calyos? Yes. 600 Bucks.
• Money gone? Yes. All gone.
• Shipping costs refund? No. All gone.
• Any deals with Streacom? As a backer...you can buy a Streacom with a very, very small discount.
@@globaleilluminationyikes
Didn't you listen? He said it's not a heatpipe. It's a loop. That's why it doesn't need heatpipe technology.
But OK, we don't have to argue terminology. But I'd just call it a heat loop. Otherwise any liquid cooling system is a loop heatpipe, too.
omg I needed this just two month ago. Now I already bought to many parts for my "silent" pc build. I can see me buying this for sure
I really like those dials!
Thank you! :)
Those VU1 gauges look cool, if I did streaming I'd probably have a couple set up to display upload/download speeds that way I could tell if dropped frames were something on my end or not at a glance.
Oh and probably another 4, with a pair showing CPU/GPU temps, and another pair showing CPU/GPU load %.
You don't know how much easier it is to stream when you know your stuff's working right until you set it up so that the info is right in front of you.
Yes! This is one of the use-cases that we considered. You can definitely do this with VU1 (and also what I use them for, except I don't stream, yet.). :)
@@SasaKaranovic I'm sure I'm not smarter than the software engineers working on the VU1 project, but I have seen many "monitoring software" type applications only make the problem worse by taking roughly 10% of the CPU to just display a fancy animation or something like that when a baked-in animated texture (maybe a PNG or GIF, I'm not sure if there are dedicated data formats for an animated texture that would have even lower performance impact) would have worked just as well and had next to no performance impact.
I just see so many programs out there that let you use a 2d/3d avatar for your stream-facing visual presence, and they're all needlessly heavy programs because they almost universally use the Unity engine for everything.
With enough time and effort invested, I could probably get just as good results out of the Source engine from 2006, and I can get my computer (with nothing else running) to run THAT at like 300 FPS even at 4k resolutions if I let it have all the resources it wants to give me as much frames as it can, and I only have an i7-9700k CPU and a Nvidia RTX 3070 Ti video card. (with an engine this old, not much would change if I used my old system that had an i7-4930k and a pair of nvidia GTX 970's in SLI).
If I restricted its framerate to 60fps and its resolution to 720p (more than enough for something that gets scaled down and sits in the corner or edge of the 1080p 60fps stream itself), the same "2006-era Source engine" vtuber software would probably use a very small portion of my CPU and GPU, MUCH smaller than the upwards of 25% CPU/GPU usage that is more typical of the currently popular Vtuber software.
So basically, if it's just a simple status display like these VU1 meters, that doesn't get broadcast to the stream, it's easy to see how I come to the conclusion that a program to drive such meters shouldn't take up even 1% of CPU (and since it's not displaying anything on any monitors, it should take up less than 1% of even the lowest performance GPU on the market that is still viable for doing streaming with).
I mean there's software out there that ONLY drives the RGB LEDs on the motherboard and things, and yet it takes 5% of your CPU for literally no reason! Please don't be like that, or nobody with any sense is gonna use the product.
All I'm saying is that I'm tired of being forced to use extremely unoptimized programs because there aren't any alternatives available, the prime example I have is for things like rendering a 2d/3d "VTuber" avatar, but there are many other problematic pieces of software out there. Yes, I'm aware that a simple webcam showing your IRL face has next to no performance impact, but many people don't want to show their face for their own reasons yet still desire the presence of a visual representation of themself on stream.
I just lack the skills and motivation to make such a program myself, or I'd do it for certain and likely become very rich if I didn't decide to just give it away for free with a GPL licence.
@@44R0Ndin Great feedback! Thank you! This is one of the main reasons why we have split the server application from everything else. The server app provides a way for everything else to interact with the dials, and that's it. Then you can have one or million other applications interacting with the server. But the idea is to make the server very efficient so that people don't suffer performance hit while using the dials.
The VU1 dials definitely do not support animations or streaming audio/video.
Also keep in mind that we are also intentionally planning to keep server application open source and as well as the protocol. So people can contribute to the code or if they want to, build their own version. I'm not saying that the expectation is that people have to do this, but rather that we are intentionally keeping that option open.
@@SasaKaranovic That's excellent to hear, I look forward to the release of these dials, and if they hold up on release I'll be recommending them to many people I know that DO stream, so they can make use of what they have to offer.
Imagine those hybrid analogue gauges as the gauges in your car's dashboard... That would be neat
That VUI stuff looks like a lot of fun. The direct mount PSU was pretty dope as well. Would have hoped it would fit more standard sized fans though
That PSU is interesting, I could definitely imagine applications for an SFX version. My SFF system several of the PSU outputs on the SF750 are blocked by a pump-res, and cable space in general comes at a premium. Having a more user serviceable fan would be nice too.
If you have a SF750 then there is already a product that exist which does a very similar thing. It's called the J-Hack M2427 and it's basically a small daughterboard that allows you to connect the main ATX 24 pin cable to the PSU using only 7 wires (basically just 12V and ground wires)
@@DuyLeNguyen :O thats super neat I've never heard of that before ! Thank you.
This is the case that was made in partnership with the company that scammed a bunch of people out of five hundred dollars.
That's a very cool case and Streacom has made some very cool products.
Having watched the latest WAN show leaves a bit of a sour taste, NOT for Streacom but for their partner in this project...
The company who made it, has been involved in some Kickstarter controversy
Yes, also came here after Linus talked about them. To make things clear, Streacom is not the issue. Streacom is a highly reputable company. Their partner, Calyos, is the issue. Calyos made the Kickstarter that went bust and they pocketed the money.
Steve you're a freakin machine! Just pumping the videos out! Respect, man! You got to be exhausted already!
Incidentally, the way this case cools is identical to an absorption refrigerator. I live off grid in my fridge is propane and works on the same principle. I bet the refrigerant is ammonia just like in mine!
As someone who specializes in building performance, hvac. This pleases me immensely.
Love those analog gauges and that PSU!
those Eink displays seems exceptionally cool case candy!
Thank you! :)
This is the type of case I need for my recording studio that I am attempting to create. Zero fan noise in a quiet environment. I am an amateur trying to create an actual studio in my basement. Every bit of noise I can reduce is a plus!
Thank you for sharing this video!!
Edit, will this case fit an ETX motherboard supporting Threadripper?
You still could have coil whine. Keep an eye out for that, ya could isolate it in a different room and use fiber to transmit the stuff.
This type of cooling relies on phase-change inside the loop, which means if you lean in close, you might actually hear the liquid boil in the evaporator.
But anyway, I don't get why you'd need THIS much cooling performance in a recording studio PC. But if you do, an alternative would be Monsterlabo's "The Beast" (which is already out)
This is the case Linus was talking about on WAN show about how Calyos took kickstarters money and ran. Streacom is cool but I think GN of all people who push for warranties and manufactuer accountability would put a warning about this. At least a pin mentioning that this is in collaboration with a known grifter company.
I think this would be the right approach. I think Steve wouldn't have done this video if he knew, so there's no shade on that. But still putting some disclaimer or something would be a nice touch.
Bit ironic because Linus' unequivocal endorsement of Calyos was directly responsible for so many of those conned customers
To simplify Steve's excellent sleep-deprived explanation of how it works, it's basically passive closed-loop phase-change cooling. There's a liquid coolant in the blocks which absorbs the heat energy in the blocks and evaporates, that vapor is then forced to rise through the "radiator" by the heat energy and the heat energy gets dissipated turning the vapor back into liquid form. The now liquid coolant flows back down into the blocks by gravity, thus starting the cycle again as long as there's heat transferred into the blocks.
It's not a case for me at $1,000 but it's honestly a neat case. If I ever had that most disposable income, it would be nice to have a completely silent setup. Also just a cool concept case.
Also, analog gauges for my computer? ABSOLUTELY YES! God that tickles my steampunk brain.
It's impossible to have a completely silent setup if the graphics card has fans.
Yeah, at that cost, I unfortunately don't belong in the target audience. But fully passive PC cooling sounds neat. As large as the case is, though, I'd probably have to put it off to the side somewhere such that I wouldn't even notice a little bit of noise. Just don't get to brag that it's completely passive 😛
@@saricubra2867 This has a cold plate for the GPU, which you'd install by removing the GPU cooler... the big silence killer will be coil whine from the GPU inductors, which is typically masked by fan noise but when there's no/low fan noise it gets very apparent lol
@@_DeadEnd_ I really doubt you can passively cool a 4090.
Love me some passive cooling setups. Those e-ink displays are really cool. And that powersupply is fantastic, people have been doing weird stuff in the SFF space, awesome to see a bigger company working in this space!
Watching this directly after the Jenson recap vid. The sound effect accompanying the GN logo at the beginning of this video was funny after the last vid ended with Jenson doing "whoosh" sound effects.
I'm really digging this rapid-fire coverage of Computex, and I'm impressed at how well the quality is keeping up with that!
I hope it makes it to market so GN can review and test it.
Love the videos you guys been putting up! Thank you guys for the in depth knowledge you bring to us. Genuinely love it. Keep it up and THANKS STEVE
Oh hell yes on those e-ink displays with the needle!
Excited about the SG10! I commented on the Hardware Canucks video that I wondered why the copper version might be 2-3x the cost of the regular -- apparently the regular one is an aluminum radiator that's painted, which is why the copper one is more expensive.
Also excited about those VU1 meters, they're so cool. I love modern takes on retro things!
Now this is something I would get back into building a PC for. This is sick, literally little to no failure rates for the cooling solutions here. Passive cooling for almost the entire system is so cool. Problem is we have so many freaking connectors now that it's asinine. This is what I would build with if/when it does release. I would just place heatsinks on other places a little more, possibly a single air flow fan on the bottom for slight airflow to the mobo, but that would be it.
those e-ink gauges looks cool. i can see a retro theme with those "analog" gauges. These would be cool to use for cars that run standalone ecu (granted more expensive than a normal pod gauge).
This is easily one of the best booths at the show imo. Such cool products with stellar engineering and real production potential
Wasn't that company that choose to never ships their product to their kickstarters backers ?
Those analog E-ink are absolutely something I would buy.
EDIT: They should make them slightly smaller than 1u in a rack to make the homelabers happy.
Thanks! That's actually a pretty neat idea to make them fit into 1U rack! But also, rack space is precious! :)
But just to clarify, the dials can, but don't have to be connected to the same PC you want to monitor. They just need to be connected to a PC. You could have them sitting on your desk, or a shelf or anywhere (like the Computex Demo that uses Raspberry Pi to control the dials) and show any information from another machine or multiple machines. :)
All of this stuff looks so interesting. I wish them the best
FYI these guys screwed over their kickstarter customers and still haven't delivered anything. Saying "it's just kickstarter" as if that's some sort of excuse. While the tech is cool the company is slimy and I wouldn't pre-order anything until non-influencers are getting cases in their hands.
i love Streacom tbh. Using their DA6 now. 3090 and a 5800x with dual Radiator on a ITX Formfactor is really nice.
Oh man, Those Dials are exactly what i want, Ill gladly pay £100 for 3 of them i always wanted something like this for volume, fan speed, and temps, probably more but we will see.
Tbh im pretty sure streacom have the pedigree to sell the SG10 as a luxury case, and something of this spec is needed for a number of people like those who have specific titles in sound engineering or something.
The passive case is insanely impressive, and I'd love to see them work out ways to reduce cost and bring it down to a mid range consumer market, I'd buy it for $500
and the vu1 displays are absolutely beatiful, I'm super stoked to see these kinds of accessories hit the market
and user servicable fans in PSUs!!! yes!!!!!
i really want those analogue gauges, would work really well with my build theme
I don’t know why but I was really hoping to see a new passive case! Sweet! Fascinating tech, even if considered rudimentary.
passive cooling would be REALLY cool to have for people who like silence but personally I'd rather have some sort of a semi passive situation where you still use coolant and pump to circulate. I currently have a D5 pump in my system and i CANNOT hear it even if i put my ear to the PC. I've tried shutting off all fans and listen for the pump, cant hear it. With that kind of solution, the only thing they would really need to worry about is replacing the radiator/fan combo with a passive cooling unit. I'd love to see something like that come to market
As a man who works in the HVAC field, this thing is VERY nice. Whoever soldered the lines on it knows their craft well. EXPENSIVE but still gorgeous. Test this please. I wanna see how it does.
Hey Gamers Nexus! Creator of VU1 dials here. I sincerely appreciate your feedback and also everyone else's in the comments!
p.s. Sorry I missed you guys this year at Computex!
Amazing approach mate
@@makatron Thank you! :)
Great product. Love fan-less, noise-less computers. Have a HTPC in a Streacom case since many years. Has been awesome. My next HTPC will be fanless as well.
those dials looks so sick, I will for sure be picking up a set
Every day GN is covering something even more interesting from the one before.
Absolutely love the work! I’ll be honest, it’s gonna be tough going back to the regular upload schedule that isn’t a video everyday 😅.
I never knew a case like this was possible, super impressive how it all works. Very much looking forward to the day you guys dive into a deeper analysis, break down, and review, of the SG10
Very cool products, kudos to Streacom for their originality and continuous work in the fanless space 👍👍
Considering there are many cases that are extremely expensive, even more expensive than this, this is not horribly priced.
The e-ink gages are siiiick
I'll buy this if this comes to market in 6-8 months. I have a dusty apartment and its brutal trying to keep up with cleaning my fans. I've been looking for a fanless case like this.
You might want to try an open frame case, like the Thermaltake P3. People don't believe me when I say it, but trust me, it will be less dusty and easier to clean what dust you do get.
I like the eink gauges, gives me ideas for automotive uses
all this looks so cool and unique tbh, thanks for always reporting on the different stuff and not only the mainstream stuff!
*I* absolutely am the target audience for something like the VU1! I'm a sucker for the aesthetics of analog dials. If that ever makes it to market, I'll absolutely get me one - looks *amazing* !
I’ve been waiting for more passively cooled cases outside of the Monster Lab cases. Excited for your review on this.
The "analog" VU1 indicators are really neat. I'll need to look into those.
I have a slim Streacom fanless case running with a 65w AMD APU now for a couple of years, works really well, also can warm your feet in winter ^^
That PSU is really cool. We really should have replaceable fans in these.
Replacing a fan in a PSU is fairly easy
@@tomaszzalewski8135 Yes, if you know what you’re doing - if not it might end deadly depending on the remaining charge in the at least one large capacitor that a lay person might not know to properly discharge first ;)
@@tomaszzalewski8135 Yeah if you dont mind losing warranty that is usually very long with PSUs. Also, if you dont know what you are doing it can kill you or you can destroy it. Very user friendly...
Alot of PSU don't have fan cables soldered, rather a 3pin connector to the pcb. Unplug it (if worried about "remaining charge" just use a plier or tweezer rather than your hand), connect new fan exact same way you took the other one out. This isn't new, you don't need a degree to do it, and even my 55$ Seasonic has it. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
They are easily replaceable!
However, PSUs are one of the extremely rare cases where saying "end-user repairs are very dangerous" is actually true and not just hysteric FUD propaganda.
FYI this IS the Calyos NSG-S0 from like 5 years ago. That kickstarter project fell part and Streacom picked it up, this IS the result!
Shoutout to streacom for making it look nice, they could have easily made this thing look like a car radiator, but slap some tempered glass side panels on there and I'd love having that on my desk.
Those gauge looks interesting
A PSU with a self changeable Noctua Fan in itself would be such a godsend . .
Are these the guys the ones who ripped people of on Kickstarter
Yes, Calyos is a partner in this project
>Linus Good
>Steve Bad
Consume
Those VU meters are AWESOME!!!! I'd love to see them come to market!
love those analog dials! I'll definitely pick up some of those.
FYI, this is the successor to the failed Calyos NSG S0. Calyos has been working with Streacom to get the project out the door, but unfortunately the backers of the original NSG S0 are pretty much SOL. Out of the over 350 backers who ordered a case, only 20 will get a case through a lottery, or everyone gets a slight discount. I understand from Streacom’s perspective but Calyos has handled communication and optics pretty terribly.
I love the concept behind this. I’d like to see something like this being a bit more common.
Damn, that case is interesting, but those semi-analog gauges are really sweet!
I LOVE those gauges
Thank you! :)
Did no one notice that system was boiling? 100C "current temp" in HWInfo. Something was throttling, not being handled correctly.
Huh, didn't notice.
Holy Cow... GN are in complete over-drive with these videos - love it!
I NEED THAT ZS800 PSU.
That is PERFECT for itx builds. like, that's it. that's perfection. it's what we've needed all along!
Anybody remember the VoodooPC Rage F-50 that used the Zalman TNN-500A case? Fully passive system back in 2004 that used a massive aluminum case as a giant heat sink. I really wanted one back then but couldn't afford it so went with a different air cooled Voodoo/Zalman combo. Glad I did because after TWENTY YEARS that case is STILL MY CASE. It's been through two motherboards, 4 video cards, and who knows how many hard drives, but it's still my main case. Something to be said for those old heavy duty aluminum Zalman cases.
Really looking forward to the VU1 gauge, there is just so much possibilities for its usage
As cool as that passive cooler is, if you really need zero noise, putting the computer in the next room and running a optical thunderbolt cable to a dock might be a better idea.
Or just a hole in the wall behind your desk, then you can pass all the cables and save more than 500 dollars in a special dock and cables.
This is what I do, I run my PC in in the basement where it's nice and cool, and run USB over ethernet as well as optical display port. Also keeps kids from running in and messing with the PC :D
@@amigodesigns Many of us rent and cannot put holes in the wall.
I do this with TB3 (not optical). Limited range, but works for me.
I predict in the future computers will be so big you'll need a whole room just to store one.
I LOVE products that are different, cool and unique.
I’d love to be interested in this case, but Caleos scammed their kickstarter supporters
correct please bump this up @gamersnexus
Streacom os such an interesting company. Been a big fan of their designs for years.
I think 1k for the passive case is just put off reach for most of us. I'd love to go fully passive. But that is very steep.
The Vu meters look tailor made for freelancers who need to keep tabs on their servers from home. They're stylish and would help keep tabs on servers and stuff
The VUs are really neat, and e-ink, woah, great idea! I would absolutely want to pick up some of these for fun. Like someone else said, magnets on them would be really cool.
Magnets are a good idea. But also they are quite "heavy" being made from aluminium, have rubber feet so they don't slip and you can stack them vertically and horizontally. And also have a mounting hole on the back so you could mount them to a "custom" holder. :)
Those gauges are beautiful. I'd love to have a couple sets on my wall with CPU and GPU temps, along with upload/download speed and maybe a few other things.
Fingers crossed you are able to take a better look on the passive case in the future.
Steve you do great work and imo more than just a youtuber.
The ZS800 is the most interesting thing I see here; I like the outside of the box thinking behind it.
This actually seems incredibly slick for streamers -- the less noise in the ambient environment, the less aggressively the streamer has to tune the audio input settings. A loud PC with tons of fans screaming is a definite detriment for someone like that, especially if they're trying to use something super sensitive like an ASMR mic.
I would love to see those gauges put to use in an automotive application. Great idea!
Need this for my gaming/audiophile HTPC build!